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  Speaker 2: It's Friday, October 23rd, 2026, and this is Political Capital Daily.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us this morning. I'm Aileen Machel. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a communications strategist and former longtime NDP staffer. Rob Shaw
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  Speaker 2: is off today. He's really stretching out this cold, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm back as your host this morning. And let's all
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  Speaker 2: take a moment and wish Rob well as he recovers
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  Speaker 2: at home with his cat, Ophelia. But I'm super excited
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  Speaker 2: to be joined today by Laura Ferreira, green strategist and
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  Speaker 2: currently the campaign manager for Jeremy Valeriot in West Vancouver.
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  Speaker 3: See the sky.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Laura.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning. So happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's great to be here and I'm sure you're
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  Speaker 2: wishing Rob well as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, praying for Rob. Nothing worse than getting sick on
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  Speaker 3: a campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the last time I saw you, we were actually
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  Speaker 2: lifting heavy weights at the gym and I understand you're
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  Speaker 2: doing some heavy lifting in the campaign now. So how
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  Speaker 2: are you doing in this last, you know, one, two
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  Speaker 2: days of the campaign?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I can't believe it's almost over.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like it was yesterday that we were at
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  Speaker 4: UBCM kind of hearing the rumors about whether or not
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  Speaker 4: we were going to be in election and now it's...
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  Speaker 4: the last day before we hit the voting polls. So
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  Speaker 4: it's been really crazy. I really love campaigns. Energy is
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  Speaker 4: always really high. It's a great chance to reconnect with
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  Speaker 4: communities and the voters. And I've been with Jeremy in
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  Speaker 4: this going up and down the sea to sky based
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  Speaker 4: out of Whistler, but campaigning all over Pemberton, Squamish, Bowman Island,
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  Speaker 4: parts of West Vancouver, Lions Bay.
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  Speaker 3: It's been really special, but it's almost over.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think some of the best stories that come
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  Speaker 2: out of campaigns are the ones that you get when
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  Speaker 2: you're knocking on doors. Because you're actually talking to people,
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  Speaker 2: you're at their home, and you get to hear, you know,
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  Speaker 2: of the straight goods about the things that they care about.
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  Speaker 2: So what are some of the things.
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  Speaker 3: You've heard about?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, campaigns are a really great opportunity to reconnect with
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  Speaker 4: the people.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice to leave Victoria and kind of test your
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  Speaker 3: messaging and see how people are feeling.
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  Speaker 4: We've heard a lot, a lot about affordability.
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  Speaker 3: People are really struggling with rent, healthcare.
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  Speaker 4: Transit has been a really big issue in the sea
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  Speaker 4: to sky getting from Swamish to the hospital or wherever people.
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  Speaker 3: Need to go.
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  Speaker 4: So that yeah, affordability is on everyone's minds.
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  Speaker 3: I think we can say that for the whole province
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand today the party, the greens are going
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  Speaker 2: to be focused heavily on the ground game, just doors, doors,
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  Speaker 2: doors all day long. Emily Lowen also hanging out with
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  Speaker 2: Adam Olson and Sonia Fursuno in her riding and taking
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  Speaker 2: a look at what the other parties are up to.
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  Speaker 2: So the BC NDP back in Battleground Surrey today. David
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  Speaker 2: Eby will be up in front of media, likely driving
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  Speaker 2: home the NDP's message around lowering costs for families, protecting services,
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  Speaker 2: creating jobs, and then really hitting home their entire plan
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  Speaker 2: for Surrey, healthcare, huge infrastructure projects, more. And this actually
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  Speaker 2: comes a day after the BC Conservatives were in Surrey.
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  Speaker 2: including last night for a rally. And so today, Dirksen's
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  Speaker 2: going to be in Vancouver Point Grey for a volunteer
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  Speaker 2: meet and greet. He's then heading to Kilchenna. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is actually a riding to watch, given the candidates
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  Speaker 2: there and the amount of attention that the two major
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  Speaker 2: parties are placing on the riding, the leaders going there.
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  Speaker 2: And then later on the day, he'll be in Langara
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  Speaker 2: with Jamie Stein to meet volunteers. So we're E-1. This
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  Speaker 2: is a really... Interesting day on a campaign. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are usually pretty exhausted and really just anticipating
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  Speaker 2: election day. But I've never been inside a green campaign before.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that you can tell me a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about what happens on E-1 and election day and
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  Speaker 2: what people would see if they were behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: in the campaigns.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, CREAM campaigns are all about hope and joy
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  Speaker 4: and we're all grassroots and that's what campaigns look like.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard work campaigning and hard work to elect Greens,
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  Speaker 4: but it's quite, it's a lot easier to do when
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  Speaker 4: the leader is really inspirational and the message, our message
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  Speaker 4: hasn't really changed throughout the campaign. Can't really say that
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  Speaker 4: for the other parties. And it's all about just getting
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  Speaker 4: out the vote right now.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Knocking on those doors and it's time to see whether
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  Speaker 4: or not the hard work that all the campaigns have
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  Speaker 4: put in the last few weeks, like actually pays off
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  Speaker 4: and how the voters feel by 8 p.m. tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. We do sort of see a narrative arc
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  Speaker 2: that happens on some of the campaigns. We've seen that
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  Speaker 2: with the BCNEP, but also the conservatives. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: was a point where both of them had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of heavy Trump messaging and then focused on other issues
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  Speaker 2: like healthcare, the economy, jobs, that sort of thing. And
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  Speaker 2: speaking of the Conservatives, for E-Night, there was this weird
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  Speaker 2: story that came out about Lauren Dirksen not doing media
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  Speaker 2: on election night. And I thought it was interesting because
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  Speaker 2: it sort of plays into the narrative that the BCNDP
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  Speaker 2: has been sharing about him not taking questions every single
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  Speaker 2: day during the campaign. And so I wanted to get
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts on this one. Do you think it's unusual
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  Speaker 2: for a leader to not take questions on election night?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it matters? Do you think people will
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  Speaker 2: be paying attention by that late hour.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that that was really an interesting decision
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  Speaker 4: by Lauren Dirksen and his team. It's the job of
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  Speaker 4: the leader to communicate with the people, with the voters,
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  Speaker 4: with supporters, and it doesn't really feel like very premier
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  Speaker 4: in waiting, potentially, to not speak to all the work
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  Speaker 4: that your campaign has done and speak to people who
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  Speaker 4: are there to support you on election night. We've seen
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  Speaker 4: the Conservatives kind of taking this approach, like, hiding their
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  Speaker 4: candidates from certain debates and kind of shying away from
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  Speaker 4: mainstream media.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's just, it doesn't really instill a lot of confidence
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  Speaker 4: that Lauren Dirksen might be here to stay should the
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  Speaker 4: election go their way tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I was remembering about the last election was
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  Speaker 2: the results were coming in and we didn't really have
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  Speaker 2: an answer on who had won. So it made it
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  Speaker 2: very awkward for the campaigns because you're trying to put
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  Speaker 2: your leader out without really having talking points for what
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  Speaker 2: they would be saying because there wasn't really a clear
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  Speaker 2: answer by the end of the night. And maybe campaigns
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  Speaker 2: are sort of preparing for that right now because there
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  Speaker 2: is a chance that we'll be in a similar situation
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  Speaker 2: where we're having to refresh our websites on Elections BC
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  Speaker 2: to see the results and trying to figure out who
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  Speaker 2: actually has the path to victory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the Greens back in 2024, I think
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  Speaker 4: the phone call started happening that night, the next day
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  Speaker 4: on what the outcome of the election was. This is
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  Speaker 4: part of the work today and tomorrow is the campaign
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  Speaker 4: headquarters kind of crafting those different messages for their leaders
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  Speaker 4: based on different results. And I mean, the polling kind
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  Speaker 4: of shows that this could go any way.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's still... There is a bit of a blue wave,
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  Speaker 3: but it's too tight to really tell.
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  Speaker 4: So it kind of seems like people will be the
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  Speaker 4: speechwriters will be busy, I think, right up until the
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  Speaker 4: very end.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. Well, we'll get more into this. But first, let's
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  Speaker 3: Now, back to the show.
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  Speaker 2: So we were talking about Lorne Dirksen potentially not taking
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  Speaker 2: questions on election night, but he was up yesterday and
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  Speaker 2: that was after a short hiatus. So he hadn't taken
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  Speaker 2: questions the day before that. But yesterday he was up
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  Speaker 2: in Surrey and it was sort of part of this
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  Speaker 2: dueling Surrey announcements that we have going on between the
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  Speaker 2: BC NDP and the BC Conservatives. Of course, on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: EB was there as well with a big rally and
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  Speaker 2: an event focused on infrastructure and like the medical school,
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  Speaker 2: Surrey Langley SkyTrain, and so forth. And then Dirksen yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: he was in Surrey focused on his plan for Surrey success,
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  Speaker 2: which includes major infrastructure promises like replacing the Massey Tunnel,
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  Speaker 2: as well as the NDP project with a 10-lane bridge.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of a funny one for me because
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  Speaker 2: when I first moved to Victoria in 2017 with the
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  Speaker 2: BCNDP government and CASA, this was one of the issues.
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  Speaker 2: I worked on. So time is a flat circle in
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  Speaker 2: BC politics. And I'm not sure that scrapping the current
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  Speaker 2: project and doing a bridge will actually save time. But
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  Speaker 2: here we go down this road again. Other commitments in there,
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  Speaker 2: like the SkyTrain to Newton Town Centre, and other Surrey investments.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're going to play a clip from Dirksen
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  Speaker 2: at that event where he kind of walks through some
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  Speaker 2: of their focus on Surrey.
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  Speaker 5: The new Massey Bridge will cut commutes for drivers from
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  Speaker 5: Surrey by up to 30 minutes and help for businesses
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  Speaker 5: to move goods more efficiently, of course. And my government
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  Speaker 5: will build that very, very soon and on time and
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  Speaker 5: on budget. The three infrastructure pillars of Surrey's success plan
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  Speaker 5: are in addition, of course, to several other measures that
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  Speaker 5: we'll take to build Surrey stronger. We will put more
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  Speaker 5: money in your pockets with a $ 1, 000 tax cut, and
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  Speaker 5: we will never impose new taxes.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you make of this announcement that Dirksen
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  Speaker 2: made in Surrey, the energy behind it, and the message?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's been a long campaign. And I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Lorne Dirksen specifically, I wasn't really ready for. He wasn't
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  Speaker 4: even in the country when he became leader. So I
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  Speaker 4: think it's safe to say that maybe energy is a
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  Speaker 4: bit low. We have seen these competing announcements. I think
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  Speaker 4: this is what happens when infrastructure gets partisan and we're
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  Speaker 4: kind of seeing people like their commutes held hostage a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. Surrey definitely has always been a big battleground
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  Speaker 4: and we're seeing a lot of these key ridings that
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  Speaker 4: are currently being held by the NDP like potential toss-ups
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  Speaker 4: and they're not held by new MLAs.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's ministers in there.
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  Speaker 4: Like Gary Begg, Landslide Gary from the last election, like
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  Speaker 4: Jagrut Brar, Eleanor Sturko, for one, like these are all
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  Speaker 4: potential seats that the both parties are fighting for. And
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  Speaker 4: I think them spending a lot of time in the
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  Speaker 4: last few weeks shows like how important it is. I
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  Speaker 4: guess it brings to mind, like we see a lot
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  Speaker 4: of shiny announcements for Surrey, but I don't think either
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  Speaker 4: party has really answered how they're going to, pay for it.
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of these projects announced by government get repaced.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it kind of, well, we'll just see
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  Speaker 4: what happens after the election.
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  Speaker 2: And the Greens, they have candidates in Surrey ridings. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the leader has visited there. And so
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  Speaker 2: what do you think the Green strategy is focused on
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  Speaker 2: in these ridings? And do you think there's a concern
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  Speaker 2: there around the vote split? And the green candidates are
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  Speaker 2: maybe taking votes away that could result in another candidate
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  Speaker 2: getting elected.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in a regularly scheduled general election, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot more time and energy and resources for leaders
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  Speaker 4: to plan these visits. And we would typically see, I
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  Speaker 4: think we would have seen Emily Lowen go to a
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  Speaker 4: lot more places around the province, but snap election resources
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  Speaker 4: and time are just not things that we have.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 4: The goal of the Green campaign was to get as
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  Speaker 4: many candidates on the ballot, and we accomplished that.
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  Speaker 3: More candidates than we had in 2024, which was really exciting.
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  Speaker 4: But the vote split narrative, I think people are just
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  Speaker 4: fatigued about it. There's so many people from the last election,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't have opportunities to vote Green, and they want
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  Speaker 4: that opportunity. I think Emily Lone kind of said it
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  Speaker 4: best during the debate, like, I'm exhausted. People want to
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  Speaker 4: be able to vote for their values, and In a
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  Speaker 4: lot of places, that means voting green.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've certainly seen dueling messaging between the BCNEP and
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  Speaker 2: the Greens on that issue around strategic voting. But we
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  Speaker 2: also saw an interesting exchange yesterday between Tamara Davidson and
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  Speaker 2: Emily Lowen. So Tamara Davidson, who is the incumbent MLA
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  Speaker 2: for North Coast Haida Gwaii and also a cabinet minister,
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  Speaker 2: she put out a statement that you can check out
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  Speaker 2: the full one online. But essentially, she says she can
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  Speaker 2: respect the vision of Emily Lowen. but she found comments
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  Speaker 2: from Lowen shocking. So she's referring here to a response
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  Speaker 2: to a question from the TAI on if she could
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  Speaker 2: support a conservative minority government. And Lowen said to the TAI,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we can rule anything out at this point.
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  Speaker 2: And the NDP pointed out that there was also this
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  Speaker 2: CTV interview where Lowen said she would lean towards the NDP,
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  Speaker 2: but didn't, you know, confirm that she would work with them.
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  Speaker 2: And so Davidson swung at these comments and she noted
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  Speaker 2: that you know, a whole bunch of things about the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 2: the extreme views of some Conservative candidates on Indigenous rights,
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  Speaker 2: on climate science, on vaccines, and even some of their
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  Speaker 2: extreme candidates, like homophobic candidates. And she argued that the
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  Speaker 2: only appropriate response is to rule out putting Conservatives in power.
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  Speaker 2: So then we heard Lowen respond. So a lot happened
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  Speaker 2: on this in the day. And Lowen says, let me
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  Speaker 2: be clear, a Conservative government would be disastrous for the province.
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  Speaker 2: And then she goes on to slam the Conservatives for
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of promises that they've made that would
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  Speaker 2: mean cuts to services. She also calls out extreme statements
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  Speaker 2: from Conservative candidates and then sort of throws it back
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  Speaker 2: on the NDP saying, it's David Eby who helped the
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  Speaker 2: Conservatives by calling the election. What do you make of
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  Speaker 2: this exchange? Like, I see this as very sharp words
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  Speaker 2: from Loewen, but not exactly ruling it out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen these kind of statements coming from the
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  Speaker 4: NDP almost every day. So I think Surprising but not
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  Speaker 4: surprising that this one came out yesterday. The Greens aren't
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  Speaker 4: here to prop up anyone's agenda and it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: appropriate to really talk about any negotiating positions before.
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  Speaker 3: I think those conversations are for after the election.
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  Speaker 4: And that you can bet like whoever is in government,
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  Speaker 4: the Greens are going to work every day to hold
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  Speaker 4: them accountable. Emily Lohan has said that the Green priority
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  Speaker 4: is getting the best possible deal for British Columbians.
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  Speaker 3: And I think she said that very well.
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  Speaker 2: You were actually behind the scenes during CARGA, which was
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  Speaker 2: the agreement that happened after the most recent election in 2024.
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  Speaker 2: And you've been in green circles for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to get your thoughts on that. what
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  Speaker 2: the challenges are for the Greens in this situation. When
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  Speaker 2: you're trying, you know, trying to be a partner in
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  Speaker 2: a minority government in an imperfect situation, you've seen a
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  Speaker 2: bit about what actually works and what doesn't. So what
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  Speaker 2: do you think are the conditions for a successful minority situation?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a CARGA cooperation and responsible government agreement was
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  Speaker 4: the signed agreement that the Greens NDP had after the
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  Speaker 4: 2024 election that.
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  Speaker 3: Lasted for a year. I mean, minority governments are difficult.
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  Speaker 4: Like everything is so, feels so much more high pressure,
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  Speaker 4: so much more like of a priority. We saw this with,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't a full minority. It's a majority government before
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  Speaker 4: the election, but even then every single vote, every single member.
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  Speaker 3: Had to be there and it's just high stress.
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  Speaker 4: And with, I mean, the Greens got a lot done
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  Speaker 4: and we, there were, there was major investments in health
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  Speaker 4: and housing, um, transit so they these agreements do work
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  Speaker 4: and they're best when they come from a place of
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  Speaker 4: trust and I think that's why there's a big push
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  Speaker 4: that why the Greens push I think for Proportional representation
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  Speaker 4: because there there is more of an ability to have
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  Speaker 4: the coalition agreements when both sides are in it together
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  Speaker 4: I think that's part of the lessons learned from CASA
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  Speaker 4: was there was more leverage that the Greens had because
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  Speaker 4: it was.
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  Speaker 3: A full minority.
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  Speaker 4: So they were able to push and the agreement did
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  Speaker 4: last longer, but we saw that it just didn't work
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  Speaker 4: kind of near the end. And then the Greens, the
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  Speaker 4: Greens left. So I guess we'll see how everything shapes
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  Speaker 4: up tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I have one last question for you here, because this
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  Speaker 2: has been on my mind because I've done a bit
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  Speaker 2: of door knocking during the campaign. And I always like
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  Speaker 2: to ask people at the door, what issue matters most
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  Speaker 2: to them or what are the top issues? And one
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  Speaker 2: issue that I have not heard come up once, at
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  Speaker 2: least on the doorstep, is pro-rep. But I've noticed that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Green Leader Lowen, she does bring it up
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  Speaker 2: a lot. She brought it up in the debate. And
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  Speaker 2: so what do you think is the strategy here?
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  Speaker 3: Like, is this.
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  Speaker 2: About sort of the long-term goal of actually getting pro-rep
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: or is there sort of a short-term strategic goal of,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you know, this message actually lands with green voters that
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: are targeted by the BC Greens.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this campaign is a really great demonstration
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: of how the voting system isn't really working. Like it's
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: failed to keep out some more like extreme conservatives. The
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: vote splitting narrative hits like clockwork every single like last
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  Speaker 4: week of the campaign. And I think there is an
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  Speaker 4: appetite for change, whether or not you call it pro-rep
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: or you call it you want your government to work
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  Speaker 4: for you. I think people are disenchanted with big parties
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: who aren't necessarily as stable as maybe we hope they
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  Speaker 4: would be. I mean, we've seen the Conservatives on their
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: fourth leader this year. Like, that doesn't really instill a
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: lot of hope and confidence of people that we need
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  Speaker 4: in our government.
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  Speaker 5: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: I think the conditions are there and people want.
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  Speaker 4: to be able to vote with their hearts and their
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: conscience and whether or not you call it pro-rep or not,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I think we're feeling it at the doors, whether or
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: not people are saying it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see how voters really feel tomorrow. And I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: really appreciate you being on the show today. That was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: really interesting to hear how it all works inside a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: green campaign. And I really appreciate your insights. That's it
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: for the show today. And this is actually the last
• 20:01
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• 20:05
  Speaker 2: we'll have no shortage of wild content to dig into
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: on Monday. Rob will be back tomorrow on the OG
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Political Capital Daily Show. Huge thanks to Laura. We'll see
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you at the gym. Thanks for listening, everyone. Make sure
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• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much.