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Will mystery note left at murder scene crack case of murdered UNC Chapel Hill co-ed Faith Hedgepeth? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: September seven, two twelve, nine one on one, Where is
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  Speaker 1: your emergency? I just what this mypartment and my friend. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's your address, ma'am? I live at Hawker at this view.
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  Speaker 1: Oh give me give me the address. I just I
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  Speaker 1: just looked here. I'moves get it. Oh my god. A
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  Speaker 1: chill goes down your spine when you hear those words.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the nine one one call placed by
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  Speaker 1: Faith Hedgepath roommate Karina Rosario, Faith hedge Path. A beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young girl found dead and still no answers. I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: What can we learn from that nine one one call
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  Speaker 1: as we try to solve the mystery and get a
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  Speaker 1: killer behind bars? Listen? I just I just looked here.
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  Speaker 1: I'moves get it. Oh my god, it's um extreme nine
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  Speaker 1: Old Chaplin Hill Road in Girm. Okay, you say your
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  Speaker 1: friend is unconscious. He's unconscious. I just want the appointment
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  Speaker 1: and there looks like Okay, listen to okay, listen to me.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to me, somebody's already sending the ambulance. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: need to get some information from you, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna help. I'm gonna tell you how to help her. Okay, Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: how how old is your How old is she's not? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't tim it touched here? But
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  Speaker 1: listen to me. Is she breathing? I don't know. You
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  Speaker 1: need to check and see is she breathing? I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so. Okay, listen to me. Freewhere,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's food again. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What happened to Faith Hedgepath?
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  Speaker 1: A beautiful young girl found dead. I just can't believe
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  Speaker 1: that this time has passed and this little girl's killer
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  Speaker 1: has still not been brought to justice. Joining me Joseph
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, death scene investigator, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State
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  Speaker 1: University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned North Carolina family lawyer Kathleen Murphy. Also with me,
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  Speaker 1: Renowned new York psychiatrist doctor Judith Fiona Joseph straight out
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  Speaker 1: to syndicated talk show host David Mack. David, let's start
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. What happened? Faith in her roommate went
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  Speaker 1: out to an club earlier in the evening. They had
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  Speaker 1: already been studying, they'd gone out, and they got home
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  Speaker 1: about two thirty three o'clock in the morning. Now, there
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  Speaker 1: were a number of people involved in this scenario with
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  Speaker 1: Faith and her roommate, men in particular, and a number
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  Speaker 1: of text messages and calls were placed to several different
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  Speaker 1: young men. But all we know is that Karin, her roommate,
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  Speaker 1: left at about three or about four thirty in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: and when she returned at eleven o'clock, she found her
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  Speaker 1: roommates Faith in bed, bludging to death and a very
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  Speaker 1: very bloody crime scene. You know, it's actually a death
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  Speaker 1: investigator's field day to find a crime scene with that
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  Speaker 1: much forensic evidence. I'm going to go to doctor Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Dupree on cause of death, but to Joe Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: death scene investigator. Joe, question to you, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Can there be a scene where there's so much blood
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  Speaker 1: that it actually obscures evidence. Yeah, yeah, Ken, that is
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  Speaker 1: evidence as it is viewed through the unaided eye. There
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  Speaker 1: are things that we can do back at the lab,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, just initially upon your initial observation. When you
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  Speaker 1: walk into a scene like this, Nancy, many times the
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  Speaker 1: area is just completely bathed in blood, and so it
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  Speaker 1: obscures a lot of other evidence that otherwise might appear.
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  Speaker 1: Just plain, you know, plain in plain side without the blood.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle du Pre, South Carolina Medical Examiner dodgor
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  Speaker 1: g Pre, another issue when a scene is literally drenched
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  Speaker 1: with blood, stabbing or cutting or piercing the skin may
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  Speaker 1: not be the cause of death. How can that be?
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  Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, Nancy. That's why we do on autopsy,
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  Speaker 1: because we examine the entire physical outside and inside of
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  Speaker 1: the body. A lot of blood just simply means that
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  Speaker 1: you hint a vessel that blieds A lot. Head injuries
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  Speaker 1: are very good example, you know. To doctor Judith Theona Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: now chiatrist, I'm about to play the rest of that
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call for you, but doctor Joseph, again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The previous night, Faith
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  Speaker 1: hedgepath and roommate Rosario had gone out to a Chapel
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  Speaker 1: Hill nightclub. Now there was a pocket dial voicemail that
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  Speaker 1: revealed hedge Path, another woman and two men. We're at
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  Speaker 1: the club a few hours before she was killed, Doctor Joseph.
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  Speaker 1: How can a night out having fun with your friends
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  Speaker 1: go so wrong? Well, you know, this is a perfect case,
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  Speaker 1: and the nine one call is terrifying. I mean, imagine
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  Speaker 1: the scene that she walked upon, if she in fact
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  Speaker 1: walked upon the scene. So, you know, when you mix
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  Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, it's a deadly combination. And what we
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  Speaker 1: find is that most cases of violence, especially in the
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  Speaker 1: mental health field, occur when there's a mix of drugs
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  Speaker 1: an all hal and unfortunately at night during nightlife scenes
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  Speaker 1: in college, there's a lot of drugs and alcohol. So
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  Speaker 1: sometimes a night out of fun can end up in
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  Speaker 1: a night out, can end up being a night out
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  Speaker 1: in terror. What we know that they were was that
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  Speaker 1: they were at a bar. There was some drinking. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that Fate Hedgepath or Hat was even
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  Speaker 1: over the legal limit. Let's see what we can determine
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  Speaker 1: from the nine one one call. I don't know what, okay,
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  Speaker 1: is she on her back or is she on her
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  Speaker 1: laying on their stomach. You know, I love the back
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  Speaker 1: like she I think she fell off the bed because
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  Speaker 1: she's like off said, thanks, flood all over the pillows
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  Speaker 1: like in the comfort there. Okay, all right, listen, Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: all right, yes, I've got somebody's coming. I've got somebody coming.
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  Speaker 1: I need for you to help her. I need for
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  Speaker 1: you to go up to her. We need to see
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  Speaker 1: if she's breathing or not. Okay, okay, listen to me.
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  Speaker 1: Go up. The paramedics are on their way. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to stay on the line. I'm gonna tell you
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  Speaker 1: what to do next. All right. Are you right by
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  Speaker 1: her now? Yes? Okay, listen, cheerfully listen. She's not moving, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and will you touch her arm? Tell me does she
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  Speaker 1: how does she feels? Okay, ma'am. We need to find
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  Speaker 1: out if we can help her or not. You've got to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, do as I'm asking so we can help her.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, if you can lay her flat on
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  Speaker 1: her back, remove any tell please, flat on her back,
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  Speaker 1: flat on her back, remove any pillows. Okay, Okay, Neil. Next,
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  Speaker 1: we're looking her mouth for food or vomit. But okay, Neil, next,
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  Speaker 1: we're looking her mouth for food or vomito. Tell me something.
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  Speaker 1: Continue listen to what is your name? Sorry, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, hundred okay, all right, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: listen to me. When you touch and how does she feel?
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  Speaker 1: Does she feel warm? So she so cold? She feels cold? Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, don't touch anything else. Okay, don't touch anything else. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're on their way. I've got police on the way
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  Speaker 1: to you, and I've got to back met it kind
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  Speaker 1: of way. Okay, please, Okay, what room is she am?
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  Speaker 1: That room? Okay? I want you to go back into
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  Speaker 1: the living room. Okay, I need to go and I'm like, okay, listen,
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  Speaker 1: listen to that. Like was not here before? Okay, listen,
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  Speaker 1: someone came in here. Okay, okay, it really does all right?
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  Speaker 1: What what did you say? Your name was? Again? Here?
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  Speaker 1: Because okay, I don't care. Okay, listen to me, Jude,
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  Speaker 1: don't touch anything out in the room. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to leave. Leave that room, go into the living room.
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  Speaker 1: You need to make door. Make sure the door is
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  Speaker 1: unlocked so somebody can get in, so the dometics and
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  Speaker 1: the police can get in when they get there, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's unlock. Okay, now get here though. Okay. They're on
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  Speaker 1: their way, honey, they're coming as fast as they can.
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  Speaker 1: You just stay on the phone with me, all right. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: tell me again what your name is? It looks like
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  Speaker 1: one in there because I'm okay, okay, I've let them know.
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  Speaker 1: We've got everybody on the way to help you. Now
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  Speaker 1: if you tell me again what your name is? What?
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  Speaker 1: What is your name? Tereo Farina? He is, okay, Karina.
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  Speaker 1: You just you sit down on the couch and don't
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  Speaker 1: touch anything. Okay, you just fit okay, Okay. What happened
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  Speaker 1: to Fate Hedgepath. She's absolutely stunning. I'm looking at her
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  Speaker 1: right now, and this is what you don't want to see,
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  Speaker 1: a picture of your beautiful girl smiling. Her hair is
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  Speaker 1: all and curls around her face. She looks a lot
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  Speaker 1: to me like Julia Louise Dreyfus. She's just stunning. And
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  Speaker 1: then below that is a picture of her gravestone. Faith
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Hedgepath. I always try to start a murder case,
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  Speaker 1: a homicide case with a nine one one call when
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  Speaker 1: presenting to a jury. Why because it takes you Kathleen Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer. Back to the moment of the crime,
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  Speaker 1: the moment as close as we can get to the crime,
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  Speaker 1: and everything you hear at that moment in that nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call factors into what happened. For instance, we
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  Speaker 1: find out she is lying there in her bedroom naked
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  Speaker 1: and the bed covers are covered in blood. That tells
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  Speaker 1: me this was a sex attack or sex attempt, that's
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And that she was cut with a sharp object,
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  Speaker 1: which turns out to be, by the way, a rum bottle.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Kathleen Murphy. If you listen very carefully to
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  Speaker 1: the nine one one causes so many cases, you learn
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  Speaker 1: the elements of the crime, you absolutely do. And in
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  Speaker 1: this neighborhood that she was about thirty minutes from where
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  Speaker 1: I live, it's a safe neighborhood, it's a safe campus.
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  Speaker 1: It's a difficult school to get into. These not individuals
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  Speaker 1: that are troubled individuals. And when she's out at a
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  Speaker 1: bar with her friends. The investigation that has come about
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  Speaker 1: is looking into the relationships she had with the people
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  Speaker 1: that she surrounded herself with. They did a DNA FEMOE
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  Speaker 1: type model of what they suspect. The killer could look
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  Speaker 1: like he's a male. Some individuals want to alleged that
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  Speaker 1: her roommate is responsible for this crime, but the photograph
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  Speaker 1: from the DNA phenotyping shows a male and they used
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  Speaker 1: that photograph to narrow the list of suspects in this case. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you right now that this is not
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  Speaker 1: the work of a female killer. Joseph Scott Morgan joining
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  Speaker 1: the author of Blood Beneath My Feet, this is a
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  Speaker 1: male murder. The roommate left and that has been established.
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  Speaker 1: Early early that morning, she came back and found Fate
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  Speaker 1: Hedgepath dead. This was a sex assault or an attempt
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  Speaker 1: an attempted sex assault. Yeah, it was Nancy. And they
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  Speaker 1: did find semen at the scene as well. And the
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  Speaker 1: curious thing about this is that the semen that they
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  Speaker 1: found within this within the rape kit that they that
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  Speaker 1: they collected at autopsy, it also matched DNA sample that
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  Speaker 1: was taken from around the surrounding area within the apartment.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of compelling as well. That gives me
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  Speaker 1: an indication that either the subject cut themselves with this
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  Speaker 1: rum bottle that they used, which I like to refer
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  Speaker 1: to as a weapon of convenience, and we can go
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  Speaker 1: into that or they did touch DNA sampling where they
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  Speaker 1: collected partial DNA from slough skin cells. Very difficult to do.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupree, joining us out of South Carolina
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  Speaker 1: over now medical examiner. The autopsy determined she was not
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  Speaker 1: stabbed to death, she was beaten to death and she
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  Speaker 1: died of blunt force trauma to the head. Why is
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  Speaker 1: that typically not a female crime, Nancy, It's typically not
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  Speaker 1: a female crime because it takes some strength to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Most women are not going to pick up a blunt
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  Speaker 1: object and strike someone else. They just don't have a
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  Speaker 1: physical strength to do that. Question about this to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Judith Fiona Joseph, New York Psychiatrists, joining us from Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Joseph, what does that say to you about the
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  Speaker 1: mind of the killer that not only would he and
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  Speaker 1: it is a he beat her dead, the cause of
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  Speaker 1: death were blows to the head. Doctor, Yeah, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a very rageful murder and very personal. And so
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  Speaker 1: you know, most of these crimes where women are attacked
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  Speaker 1: involves someone that they know. And like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: when you mixed drugs and alcohol into any situation, you
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  Speaker 1: just heighten the level of intensity of violence. So this
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  Speaker 1: is probably someone that she knew who was intoxicated and
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  Speaker 1: full of rage, and then we know what happened in
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  Speaker 1: the end. You know, the Chapel Hill Police Chief Chris
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  Speaker 1: Blue has been making public appeals for help in the
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  Speaker 1: case to solve the murder. A Fate Hedgepath. What do
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  Speaker 1: we know about Faith David Matt What do we know
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  Speaker 1: about her? We know that she was a great student,
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  Speaker 1: that she was a Native American tribe in western North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: But we also know that she took a semester off
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  Speaker 1: of school because she needed to raise some money. She
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  Speaker 1: was working two jobs as a full time student. I
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  Speaker 1: do want to go back to something you guys have
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  Speaker 1: talked about with the potential crime. The weapon that was used,
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  Speaker 1: that Bacardi run bottle. That bottle was tested and they
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  Speaker 1: determined that sixteen miles per hour of force would have
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  Speaker 1: caused the blunt force trauma two major hits to her head.
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  Speaker 1: But the bottle wasn't broken and it didn't a similar
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  Speaker 1: bottle did not break in testing. It's got blood all
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  Speaker 1: over it. They have identified that as the murder weapon,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why they I've actually seen a picture of
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  Speaker 1: this bloody Bacardi bottle. The thing is, Nancy, is that
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  Speaker 1: there that you mentioned the butt dial phone call, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know that night the cell phone provider involved in
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  Speaker 1: that actually had a major glitch and it caused a
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  Speaker 1: time shift of over two hours of time stamps during
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  Speaker 1: a twelve hour window at the time this took place.
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  Speaker 1: So where they're trying to place that butt dial at
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  Speaker 1: the club at about one thirty, it actually could have
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  Speaker 1: been placed at three thirty in the morning. And on
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  Speaker 1: top of that, at the time if that happened at
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  Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning, a neighbor downstairs heard what
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  Speaker 1: she believed could be some very loud thuds going on
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  Speaker 1: upstairs in the apartment. Take a listen to the Chapel
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  Speaker 1: Hill Police Chief Chris Blue defeating one tourist in the
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  Speaker 1: area and saw something that they thought, no matter how insignificant,
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  Speaker 1: might have a connection. If they would come forward, if
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  Speaker 1: they heard something overheard, someone mentioned something that seems related
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  Speaker 1: to this case, we would hope they would come forward.
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  Speaker 1: They heard something that struck in the strange, would hope
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  Speaker 1: they would come forward. If the killer is out there
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  Speaker 1: hearing this message, know this, we will fashion Do you
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  Speaker 1: know another parent or expecting parent. Are you wondering what
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  Speaker 1: can I give them as a gift. Don't give them
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  Speaker 1: another onesie, don't give them a plastic toy or God
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  Speaker 1: forbid toory gun that's just going to end up in
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  Speaker 1: the garage. Give them something that matters, and what matters
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  Speaker 1: the most is protecting their child. What do you love
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  Speaker 1: most in the world Your children? What will you do
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  Speaker 1: to protect them anything. I sat down with these smartest
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  Speaker 1: believe there's somebody out there that knows something, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe maybe it doesn't matter. I'm just and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I want to plead to the public. I want to
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  Speaker 1: beg you if you think you know anything at all,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps perhaps you think that what you know is very
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  Speaker 1: insignificant because you probably think it is already reported. That
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  Speaker 1: you don't know that, Okay, that anything at all, Anything
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  Speaker 1: that anybody saw him, whether they think it was out
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  Speaker 1: of character or not, if they saw anything, just please
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  Speaker 1: report College Chappel Hill Police Department or SBI and report it.
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  Speaker 1: I am so convinced that it's just the difference in
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  Speaker 1: solving this case and it going cold is just one path.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the father of Faith Hedgepath begging for help,
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  Speaker 1: begging for help in the murder of his gorgeous young daughter,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old Faith Hedgepath. FBI analysts have now issued
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  Speaker 1: a profile of the men they believe that murdered the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old University of North Carolina Chapel Hills student
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  Speaker 1: Faith Danielle Hedgepath. It was a quiet neighborhood where she
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  Speaker 1: lived off campus with another young girl, and a very
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  Speaker 1: difficult school to get into, very exclusive to get into.
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  Speaker 1: Chapel Hill. DNA evidence found in Faith's apartment. According to reports,
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  Speaker 1: Hedgepath found dead in her bedroom at her apartment there
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  Speaker 1: at Chapel Hill just hours just a few hours after
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  Speaker 1: she was last seen alive. She had gone out with
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  Speaker 1: girlfriends to a local nightclub called The Thrill the night before.
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  Speaker 1: The FI Behavioral Analysis Unit insists the killer new Hedgepath,
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  Speaker 1: maybe lived near her now or in the past, may
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  Speaker 1: have made comments about her to friends or co workers.
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  Speaker 1: Did the killer's behavior change after her death, maybe an
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  Speaker 1: odd interest in her case or a change at work
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  Speaker 1: or at school. Investigators say the crime lab definitely found
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  Speaker 1: DNA in the apartment by a man. Now, they have
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  Speaker 1: not disclosed where the DNA was found, as you heard
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  Speaker 1: just got Mo're gonna say it was around the apartment,
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  Speaker 1: but they were convinced it would lead them to Faith's killer.
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  Speaker 1: If you have information, please call nine one nine six
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  Speaker 1: one four sixty three sixty three, repeat nine one four
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  Speaker 1: six one four sixty three sixty three or crime stoppers
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  Speaker 1: nine one nine sixty four two seven five, one five, nine,
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  Speaker 1: one nine nine four two seven five one five. It
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  Speaker 1: hurts me to hear her father begging, begging for that
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  Speaker 1: one tip that will crack the case. Is that tip
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  Speaker 1: a note left at the scene that has just been
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  Speaker 1: revealed by police and as it relates to that DNA.
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  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, desine investigator and author, we may
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  Speaker 1: have all the DNA in the world, but you've got
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  Speaker 1: to have something to match it too, Joe Scott. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Nancy. And unfortunately there is not a
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  Speaker 1: tremendous DNA database like fingerprints say, for instance. We've got
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  Speaker 1: some databases that are out there, so it's kind of limiting.
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  Speaker 1: But Nancy, they took samples, reportedly took samples of one
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  Speaker 1: hundred people, one hundred people that were at least associated
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  Speaker 1: with her in some way, and none of them have
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  Speaker 1: come back as a match. There's been between a thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two thousand people interviewed in this particular case, so
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  Speaker 1: the case has been very wide ranging. I agree with
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  Speaker 1: the Behavioral Sciences Unit. This crime is so passionate, it's
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  Speaker 1: so brutal. I think that someone was very, very angry,
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  Speaker 1: and they were within her circle. They knew her, they'd
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  Speaker 1: been watching her, probably, and they assaulted her. Lord only
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  Speaker 1: knows how and for how long. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: what we can learn from the nine one one call.
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  Speaker 1: I just want you to sit down, because the LEAs
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  Speaker 1: and the medics are going to be there, just there,
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  Speaker 1: coming to the best as they can, all right. They
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  Speaker 1: just you could stay on the phone of the name. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me just stay on the phone with me. Are
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  Speaker 1: you here, yes, ma'am. They are on their way in there. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: We've got we've got first responders on the way. There's
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  Speaker 1: firetop coming, there's a medic coming, and the sheriff's departments
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  Speaker 1: on the way to you. Okay, you just stay on
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  Speaker 1: the phone with me until somebody gets there with you, right, okay, Karina?
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  Speaker 1: How old are you? Karina twenty? You're twenty? Okay, honey,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing all right? Are you doing all? You? Just
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  Speaker 1: stay on the phone. You see the police, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: You let me know when they get in there with you,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can talk to them. I I just
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to be along right now. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: stay on the phone with me. To David Max, syndicated
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  Speaker 1: talk show host David tell me about a recently revealed
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  Speaker 1: note found at the scene. There was apparently they had
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  Speaker 1: gone to a fast food restaurant on their way home
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  Speaker 1: from the club, and in the midst of this horribly
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  Speaker 1: bloody crime scene, there was a note written on the
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  Speaker 1: back of this fast food bag. Do you want me
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  Speaker 1: to give you the actual text of it? Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: all right, he said, I'm not stupid, bitch jealous. And
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  Speaker 1: their part about this that bothers the investigators is that
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  Speaker 1: this was written there's no blood on the bag. The
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  Speaker 1: DNA on the pen matches up with the sperm they
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  Speaker 1: found near the body, and yet there's no blood on
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  Speaker 1: that bag, meaning that the perpetrator actually felt comfortable enough
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  Speaker 1: in this apartment, knowing nobody was coming home, and cleaned
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  Speaker 1: himself up before writing that note. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: experts I heard talking about that specific note said that
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like there was a deliberate deception, like maybe
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  Speaker 1: somebody used their non writing hand to write that note,
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  Speaker 1: and it just it really blows the case wide open
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  Speaker 1: because of the anger in the context. Let's go to
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  Speaker 1: New York psychiatrists. Joining us from Manhattan, doctor Judith Fiona Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Joseph, what does it say to you that the
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  Speaker 1: killer actually left a note and also that there was
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  Speaker 1: no blood on the note. What does the note reveal
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  Speaker 1: in your mind? We gotta get inside the mind of
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  Speaker 1: this killer. That tells me that this person again was
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  Speaker 1: full of rage and had no remorse, because after a killing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes in the heat of passion, a crime
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  Speaker 1: of passion, there's there's remorse, you know, because it's it
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  Speaker 1: is heat. At the moment you had this grudge, you
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  Speaker 1: did something, and then immediately after you probably feel remorse
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  Speaker 1: or regret. This person had no regrets. In fact, this
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  Speaker 1: person wanted to leave a statement and that is horrific.
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  Speaker 1: So to you, Kathleen Murphy, this is in your backyard,
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer joining us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Chapel Hill is very, very prestigious. It's very hard to
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  Speaker 1: get into. What do all these factors tell you, Kathleen,
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  Speaker 1: What do you know about the community. It is a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful campus. The students there are aboff par It is
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to get into the school. It is a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful campus. And it just convinces me that this is
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  Speaker 1: somebody that she knew, and I cannot believe with all
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  Speaker 1: the DNA samples that they took from her circle of friends,
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  Speaker 1: that they haven't had a match yet. And that is
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  Speaker 1: concerning to me. Well, what it says to me is
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  Speaker 1: the PERP is not in the DNA data bank, or
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  Speaker 1: the fingerprints are not in the data bank, because you've
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  Speaker 1: got codas and you've got aphis. One is about DNA.
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  Speaker 1: One is about fingerprints unless you are a civil servant
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  Speaker 1: or a cop or in the military, or you have
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  Speaker 1: a criminal wrecker. I mean, my fingerprints are on file
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  Speaker 1: from being a prosecute. And that's the first thing I
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  Speaker 1: had to do before I got my job. I had
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  Speaker 1: to my fingerprints. So people are in the system. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're not in the system, there's nothing to compare
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  Speaker 1: those prints or that DNA too. So you may have
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  Speaker 1: a wealth of DNA, but you can't get a match.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to listen to something that literally haunts me.
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  Speaker 1: This is Faith's father, Rolling Hedgepath. Faith was my my
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  Speaker 1: youngest daughter, my baby girl. She was born at a
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  Speaker 1: real bad time in my life. I mean a good
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  Speaker 1: time for her to be born, but one of the
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  Speaker 1: lowest points of my life. And she was a god
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  Speaker 1: sin to give me a reason to live. Faith was
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  Speaker 1: a pretty baby, Okay, from the moment they brought her
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  Speaker 1: out of the delivery room, the first time I saw her,
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  Speaker 1: she was just a beautiful little girl. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody thinks their child's pretty good. Sometimes newborns are not
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  Speaker 1: so pretty people, but uh, Faith was just pretty. And
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  Speaker 1: she never really changed a whole lot from that aspect.
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  Speaker 1: But her beauty would Her beauty didn't lie on her exterior,
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  Speaker 1: you know, her beauty was from with him. That's the
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  Speaker 1: beauty that I saw. I've always heard that, uh you know, O,
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  Speaker 1: parents should never have to bury their children or the child,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess in a perfect world that's true, but
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  Speaker 1: it certainly would was it the case here? Um? We
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  Speaker 1: buried Faith on September twelve, twenty twelve, and her leavingess
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  Speaker 1: has just left such a board. I don't really know
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  Speaker 1: how to describe it. Okay, Yea, So you know, the worst,
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  Speaker 1: the worst thing I ever heard in my whole life
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  Speaker 1: was that she had died, and uh, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: the hardest thing I've done since then, the hardest thing
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  Speaker 1: I've ever done is just live every day since then.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing Faith hedge pass father Roland talking about the
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  Speaker 1: loss of his as he says, baby girl and what
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  Speaker 1: he is going through is pure hell hell, and it's
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  Speaker 1: only compounded by the fact that her case has not
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  Speaker 1: been solved. Among brand new details made available to us
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  Speaker 1: is a note scribbled on a fast food bag left
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  Speaker 1: next to her naked body that reads, according to Dave Mack,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not stupid bitch jealous. That's what the note said
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  Speaker 1: as compared to everything else in the bedroom where she
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  Speaker 1: was found naked and dead. It doesn't have a drop
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  Speaker 1: of blood on it. I'm looking at it right now
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  Speaker 1: and you can see it on crime online dot com
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  Speaker 1: and here the very latest See the very latest about
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  Speaker 1: Faith hedge Pass death. What doesn't tell us I'm not
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  Speaker 1: stupid bitch jealous? To doctor Michelle Dupree rightnown medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: and author of homicide Investigation fuel Guide. Doctor Dupree is
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  Speaker 1: a bringing back memories of the Jamboni Ramsey murder. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because that perp was not afraid
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  Speaker 1: somebody was gonna walk in the front door and see
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  Speaker 1: them sitting there writing a ransom note on Patsy Ramsey's
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  Speaker 1: notepad with Patsy Ramsey's writing pen or sharpie. No, they
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  Speaker 1: were relaxed in the home. They wrote a draft and
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  Speaker 1: a full on I think it was a two page letter.
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  Speaker 1: They were not worried of detection at all. And this
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  Speaker 1: person a parallel, This person is not worried. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean to you, doctor Michelle Duprie about this murder? Now,
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  Speaker 1: that tells me that this person was well organized, This
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  Speaker 1: is well found out. There's probably going to be not
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  Speaker 1: that much forensicabitance except for the DNA. It also tells
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  Speaker 1: me that this person was very, very comfortable in this
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  Speaker 1: location and probably knew her and, as we've said before,
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  Speaker 1: knew that they would have time to do this horrific crime.
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  Speaker 1: What else do we know? Face's body was found in
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  Speaker 1: a pool of blood. There was a blood spider on
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  Speaker 1: the wall and the bedroom closet door of the apartment.
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  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott, Morgan death investigator and author of Blood
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  Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, Joseph Scott, what does that mean to you?
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  Speaker 1: Blood found on the wall and also on the closet
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  Speaker 1: door of her apartment. Well, not knowing what the nature
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  Speaker 1: of this blood is, I can only assume that it's
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  Speaker 1: probably cast off and what that means is, as she's
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  Speaker 1: being struck with this heavy rum bottle, which has already
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  Speaker 1: been stated, was not broken this blood. If people at
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  Speaker 1: home will just think about taking a paintbrush and dipping
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  Speaker 1: it into a can of paint and slinging it over
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  Speaker 1: the shoulder, this creates cast off and so those are
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  Speaker 1: a little particulate. And what this can tell us is
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  Speaker 1: actually the position of the perpetrator relative to the victim.
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  Speaker 1: My suspicion is is that they were obviously in a
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  Speaker 1: dominant position. They were on top of her beating her
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  Speaker 1: with this. Now, if I could just address one thing
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  Speaker 1: about this note, because I think it's quite telling Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: First off, as you note, as was stated earlier, there
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  Speaker 1: was no blood on the note. That means that, in
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  Speaker 1: my estimation at least, either the note was written beforehand
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  Speaker 1: or after this event took place, someone cleaning their hands
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  Speaker 1: prior to writing this thing. One more thing and I'll
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  Speaker 1: be quiet. The note itself is written in a very
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  Speaker 1: particular fashion. If you read the text of the note,
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  Speaker 1: it's in three distinct lines that are stamped, that are
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  Speaker 1: stacked on top of one another. The top statement says,
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  Speaker 1: I am not stupid and then the word bitch appears
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  Speaker 1: in the second line, and it's bold, it's bolder than
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  Speaker 1: anything else. And then below it it says jealous. This
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  Speaker 1: looks like it was written in a fevered manner. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of disorganized and overlapping the letters are. And they've
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  Speaker 1: already had a question document examiner look at this thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure several have at this point in time, and
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  Speaker 1: they will be able, I think, to match handwriting with someone.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Hedgepath and roommate Rosario left the bar
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  Speaker 1: together and drove back to their old Durham Road apartment
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  Speaker 1: in Hedgepath's white Nissan Ultima. Rosario left soon thereafter, but
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  Speaker 1: when she came back that morning around eleven am with
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  Speaker 1: a friend, the two of them find Faith's body. We
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  Speaker 1: know that investigators have collected hundreds of items of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They've interviewed friends, family, co workers, neighbors. They've consulted with
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  Speaker 1: scientific experts. They circled back to classmates of hers. They've
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  Speaker 1: asked persons of interest to give DNA swabs to compare.
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  Speaker 1: They collected hundreds of samples. So far, none have been
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  Speaker 1: a match. Chief Blue says that key piece of information
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  Speaker 1: is still out there. What happened? Who killed Faith Hedgepath
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Faith's father. My last believing memory
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  Speaker 1: of her vis just here at this home. She came
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  Speaker 1: to visit me on Father's Day and on June or
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  Speaker 1: twenty twelve. I had just undergone a total hip transplant
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  Speaker 1: and about a week a little morning a week before,
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  Speaker 1: and I was very weak, and but she came to
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  Speaker 1: saving for Father's Day, and I had no idea it
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  Speaker 1: was the last time I was gonna see her. We
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  Speaker 1: talked every week, several times a week normally if I
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  Speaker 1: could get up with her either we texted, were talked,
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  Speaker 1: and she was a highlight of my day normally, and
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  Speaker 1: our conversations when we I just I always would close
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  Speaker 1: our conversations with you know. I'd always tell her to
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  Speaker 1: read her Bible and pray, and I'd always tell her
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  Speaker 1: to be careful of the company she killed. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I always watched her surroundings. And I look back at
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: even some of the letters that I wrote her that
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  Speaker 1: her mother gave back to me, and I put the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, same things in your letters, you know, But
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  Speaker 1: in the end it didn't seem to make any difference.
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  Speaker 1: If that does not make you want to run to
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  Speaker 1: your children's school and make sure they're okay, or check
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  Speaker 1: on them, or call them. It's just overwhelming to me
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  Speaker 1: to hear Faith's father in such deep despair. Let me
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  Speaker 1: remind you there is a forty thousand dollar reward to
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  Speaker 1: help solve the murder a Faith Hedgepath there in North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars. If you have information, please dial nine
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  Speaker 1: one nine six one four sixty three sixty three, repeat
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  Speaker 1: nine one nine six one four sixty three sixty three
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  Speaker 1: or nine one, nine, nine four two seven five one
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  Speaker 1: five nine one nine nine four two seven five one
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  Speaker 1: five Nanzi Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend