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Halloween Month and a 1/2 episode 3: Black Phone 2 · Citizen Frame

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All right it's that time again kids we're back to citizen frames halloween month
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and a half which is actually now going to be probably halloween month and three
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quarters i pay months yeah because
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we've added to the library here because we're kind all right well I am.
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Trevor. Well, that's debatable.
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We have a viewer who wants us to do a review for them.
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And we decided to pepper it because
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it's a good movie to do for Halloween month and three quarters now.
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And Trevor says, fuck him. I don't care about our viewers. And I say, whoa, what?
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He's a very loyal listener. He's like, fuck him.
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I want to, don't you take away from my Hallmark movie that I'm about to pick.
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So i would never say that frank
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no no no frank
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uh sent me an email very upset with some of the words you said to
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him but yeah we're gonna do that next we're
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peppering werewolves and then we've
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got barbarian then we're doing weapons then we're going to actually do a film
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that did well independent it's a Stephen King film called The Long Walk that's
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now that's now available on demand so we thought that'd be fun to pepper that
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in and then we'll end with,
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we started with the Italian horror we'll end with Italian horror with Dario
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Argento's probably most beloved film Suspiria,
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And so that should take us far pretty much to the end of November.
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Or the soundbar, we'll see. Yeah, it would be double because we're actually
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going to do, we're going to try to do another Stephen King. The Running Man
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is coming out in November.
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So we might do, we did the Running Man before, but we might just do a double feature on that one.
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The original Running Man and the new Running Man as one big podcast special.
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I think that'd be kind of fun.
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Yeah. I am a big fan of the original. Yeah, I'm a big fan. It's Arnie.
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Well, it's Yaffa Koto in a very tightly fit suit. You seem to always go to that.
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That's cool, man. That's your bell. Ring it. That's cool, man.
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That's cool. Two yards. You know, embrace Trevor. Embrace Yaffa Koto in tights. That's fine.
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Yeah. I'll be back. Only in a rerun. Yeah.
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But hey, before we start, this is spoiler filled from the very opening.
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So if you have not seen Black Phone 2, where the fuck have you been?
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Everyone else is seeing it. Made a lot of money.
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Very happy to hear that. And so if you haven't seen it, well,
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you're screwed because I'm about to spoil it.
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I had to sit my coffee there. Right. Waking you up, because this is another
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early morning recording we're doing. Yeah, we're doing a couple of these.
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I had to interrupt my beauty sleep, just, you know, because I'm so committed
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to, you know, sort of doing these podcasts.
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But there you go. Fuck that.
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Fuck that.
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Yeah, Blackporn 2. All these sequels. You know,
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there wasn't supposed to be a sequel to this and obviously it's,
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you know come on I get the studios come on man we can use the money here what
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the fuck and we need another one and good on the studio for letting Scott Derrickson
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have free range Scott Derrickson is one of my favorite horror directors out there,
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starting with of course the haunting of the exorcism of Emily Rose Sinister
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he just has very good dark tales also I would add that
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Joe Hill, who wrote the original short story for the original film,
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obviously, had some input in this.
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Apparently, Scott Dirickson phoned him or something and said,
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well, Joe, what do you reckon?
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And, you know, in terms of the story, and Joe Hill apparently said just basically
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one sentence, Finney gets a phone call, it's a grabber, and he's in hell.
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And then they basically ran with that, and built on that. Yeah,
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I was, when they announced a sequel, I'm like, oh boy, because I like the grabber.
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I know you were on the fence with it. You said it was good, but it wasn't,
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you know, you wanted a little more.
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But I enjoyed it because it was subtle with the fantasy element.
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Obviously, you had to have that fantasy element.
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And I really enjoyed Gwen's, Madeline McGraw's performance as Gwen.
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And, heads up, guys, C again still is the show. She's very good.
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She has a bright future ahead of her. Yeah.
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And so does the young actor who plays Finney, to be fair. Yeah,
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Mason Thames. He's a, you know, he's a trade ballet dancer.
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Right, right. There you go. But, yeah, you know, you keep the source material.
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I always say if you're doing a sequel, keep true to the original,
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but tweak it and make it your own.
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They fucking do that here. i was concerned that
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they were going to go the freddy krueger route but they don't
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they well they do i'm not going to say they don't they do but
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it's a lot better executed i
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guess you could say and how they handle it and how they handle unlike how they
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handled nightmare on elm street part two which was fucking god-awful well there's
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definitely allusions to certainly the first nightmare on elm street and the
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third one but in terms of the portrayal of the grabber it's very,
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it's still very dark and sinister as opposed to the route that went with Freddy
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Krueger where after the first one,
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he became a sort of wisecracking dark comedy character.
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Yeah. So yeah, basically the grabber's not doing a rap or anything in this you
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know, or welcome to primetime bitch, you know.
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Yeah, he has his jokes in this, the grabber but they're sinister, they're not nice.
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They're dark. But yeah, he's
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got the original team back he's kind of one thing i want to
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bring up the the the music is by a guy
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called attic atticus derrickson i'm assuming there's a relation there i was
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like i'm not telling you it's a superb score score is like very which is funny
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because it almost has a 90s nails feel to it which is atticus atticus and trett
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resner both work do 90s nails but this is a different atticus,
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That's Atticus Finch, I believe, who's in Nine Inch Nails. This is Atticus Derrickson.
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But yeah, there's a Nine Inch Nails vibe to it. And we'll dive into the intro real quick here.
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But I also want to give a massive shout out because I'm not sure how the film
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was shot, to be honest with you, to the DP. His name is Pari Ekberg.
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And the film was shot in Ontario, I believe, in Canada.
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And I was a little confused what was shot outside.
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And it almost feels like the campground, besides some of the outdoor shots,
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but there's one of the famous locations is a phone booth by a lake.
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It almost feels like it's set on a stage with like a matte painting in the background
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of Vaxo Lake and the mountains and stuff. It's beautiful.
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It almost plays like, this film, I know it sounds funny, almost beside,
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before we get to the big extravaganza ending,
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the film almost plays like a stage play and almost
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like a 10 Little Indians like an egg of the Christie
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mystery because it's a lot more isolated
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than when we had it for the first one Well I didn't get
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the sort of you know you were saying with the phone
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booth the phone box essentially at the
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lake I didn't get sort of vibes of it felt
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like a matte painting and stuff but you know it's beautiful scenery obviously
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be it in Ontario or wherever it is you know in Canada but I would say the way
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it's filmed you know the different styles of filming and the different styles
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of look for the dream sequences work really effectively well. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Scott Derrickson. It looks, it's a beautiful looking film. Scott Derrickson.
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Overall. Scott Derrickson loves Super 8.
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Yeah. He made it famous in Sinister.
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I would say as well regarding the score on top of that, the soundtrack there's
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some great songs that are part of the soundtrack and not the score,
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there's a use of Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall the album version Another
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Brick in the Wall Part 1 which is absolutely fantastic really effective.
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Wasn't that a cover song or was that the actual Pink Floyd?
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No, no, that's the actual See, there's another brick on the wall,
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parts one, two, and three.
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And the more famous one is part two, you know, where it's the kids and stuff going.
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But this is part one. So it is Pink Floyd, but it's the part one from the album.
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All right, guys. As we mentioned, spoiler filled. So we're going to jump into this right now.
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All right. We got Mason Thames, who plays Finn. Ethan Hawke,
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who's the grabber. Madeline McCraw is Gwen. Jerry Davis, he's back, is Pa.
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Miguel Mora, good on him. He's a returning actor. He plays a character called Ernesto.
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He played one of the victims in the last film. He played Ernesto's brother who
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died, who was Robin in the last film.
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I'd love to see him. Damien Bishur, he plays Mando. I've always been a fan of
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his ever since I saw him in The Hateful Eight.
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Then you got Hope, Felix, and Barbara and Kenneth, who are the Christians.
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They were annoying as fuck.
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They were about to be. Here's the plot, guys. So...
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Unplug, you know, unplug your ears. All right, so around 1954,
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three children are killed and have vanished.
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Their names are Felix, Cal, and Spike.
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They die horribly. One is burned alive and then chopped up. One is cut in half on the face.
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And the other one is, I think, drowned. I can't remember what happened to the other one.
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They can't find the bodies. And the mystery is never solved.
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But this was done by a younger grabber. This is when the Grabber was just a kid.
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This is how he started off on his dark journey. Exactly.
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Now, the children's spirits are lingering, giving the Grabber power to return
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as a supernatural entity.
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Finn and Gwen must find the remains of these three boys to be able to defeat
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the Grabber. So there's your plot.
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Very, very nightmare in Upstreet, to be honest with you. And they also,
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yeah, they end up going to this camp, and they essentially sign up to train for it on the surface.
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But really what they're doing is it's a Christian camp and they basically sign
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up to basically be Christian counsellors, but really they're out to stop the grabber.
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You know what really stuck out for me?
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The Latino girl who is at the camp. Yes, Jane.
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Yes. You know what she was in recently? A working man with Jason Statham.
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You work with Jason Statham, you get roles.
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Well, this is it. The beekeeper. That's not, that's a beekeeper.
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That's a lot better. Sounds just like him.
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All right, the movie takes place four years later.
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And everything's kind of still the same. Gwen and Finn is kind of,
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has not really bounced back.
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He's not dealing well with how-
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He's angry. How would happen with the grabber. He's very angry, upset.
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One thing this film gets right, and it's wonderful, is the character arcs.
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And the character arcs in this
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one, and you don't get that with horror films a lot. You really don't.
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So they really hit it home, and it's the actor's performance of Sell It, to be honest with you.
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But yeah, so we open up with a phone call.
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What's it, 1954, I guess? A young lady gets a phone call, and she's having a
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conversation with somebody.
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We don't know what that conversation is. This phone booth's in the middle of
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a camp right now overlooking the lake.
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And the phone just connects, and then we fade to modern day.
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Well, I think it's the 80s now.
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Early 80s. Four years later. So we don't know about the phone call,
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what that was all about as of yet.
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I love films where sequel events come full circle.
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You know what I mean? We talked about that. You know, Tarantino does it all
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the time, where a scene would be peppered in, But we don't know what happened
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to that scene until about 40 minutes into it.
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Yeah. Why that scene was so- It all comes together. Yeah. As part of a narrative.
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Yeah, why that scene was so relevant.
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Now, we know the brother, he's not handling things well. He's got a violent temper.
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He's beaten the shit out of someone who made some kind of smart-ass comment
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to him, in all fairness. He's getting into fights and stuff. Yeah.
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Sounds like the kid deserved it, to be honest with you.
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Yeah, but he's- Gwen is getting nightmares now. As you guys all know from the
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last one, she had a premonition.
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Well, her premonitions are becoming more real now.
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And we find out that's the one thing she has in common with her mother.
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Yeah, it's like a sixth sense. She has a certain power, a supernatural power,
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like the mother had before her, before the mother committed suicide.
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But yes, she has sort of inherited it that sort of six cents par right?
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Yeah, and she's seeing these images of these kids underneath the water.
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Very, very, you've got to realize these are young. These are probably pre-teen
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kids, and they're coming up from underneath the water, but they're covered in ice.
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Obviously, the water's covered in ice, and they're scraping in these words,
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and she finds out their initials, WBH.
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And we'll get to that in a moment, why that's relevant.
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But she wants to find out what's going on. But she does, through these dreams,
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process of elimination, figure out it's this Alpine camp, Christian camp.
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So they sign up to get jobs to figure out what's up.
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Problem is they get snowbound at the camp. So there's only a few people here.
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And this is where the chaos begins. Great little setup. Very fun.
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Fast paced. Great dialogue.
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It doesn't mess apart. Yeah.
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And going into this, I'd read and listened to some other reviews of it,
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and people were saying, oh, it's basically Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Dream Warriors.
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So I was a little concerned, because although I'm a fan of Dream Warriors,
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it is fantasy cartoonish at times, so I was a bit concerned with those comments.
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But I would say myself, after watching it, it's more in tone and referential
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to the first Nightmare on Elm Street.
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There's one scene in particular with her, with the sister, where it's obviously
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a big reference to Tina's death in Nightmare on Elm Street 1.
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You know, it's whenever they're at the Christian camp and she's basically being
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sort of thrown about the room in her dream, but also happening in the real world
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and everybody's, you know, freaked out and stuff.
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So in terms of, you know, the references to the Nightmare on Elm Street series,
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for me it was more the first Nightmare on Elm Street.
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Yeah, that's when he's trying to throw her in the oven. Yes.
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And because the Grabber's M.O. here is he wants to get revenge on Finn because
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Finn is the one who technically killed him.
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And Grabber also finds Finn responsible for the Grabber accidentally killing
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his brother or making him kill his brother, who has a small cameo in it, by the way.
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But so the Grabber feels that you took away something I love.
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Now I have to take away something you love so that's why his target is Gwen,
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I like that I kind of like that it makes
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sense yeah and like what I said in the beginning you stick true to the original
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it does and we always think about well he's calling now well if the kids could
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make the phone calls to help Finn in the first one why can't he make phone calls
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when he's dead so they just flip the tables and I kind of enjoy that yes yeah,
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and it definitely works.
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Again, I was concerned getting into it because I thought it was going to,
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after the first one being quite grim and serious, I thought this was going to
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be silly in terms of, you know,
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them turning them into a Freddy Krueger in the sequels as opposed to the original
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Freddy Krueger in the first one.
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But no, no, it does make sense and it does work very well.
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When we're introduced to, there's only.
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There's really Mustang, Mando, Anasto, Terrence, Gwen, the Grabber,
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Finn, and then Barbara and Kenneth are really the only ones in this film because,
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like I said, they're snowbound.
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And there's one thing, a couple things I didn't like. And I wish Finn said something
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because Finn at this time was still kind of pissed and still trying to come
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to terms with what happened between him and the Grabber.
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And there's a scene where they're having breakfast with the
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counselors and so forth and mando mando
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is timing and mando's good guy he's good character don't get me wrong but he
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turns to there's rules in in their in their camp and there's the night before
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the sister went to the brother's the boy's cabin and she spent the night there
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because she was scared and having nightmares and mando goes no girls in the boys tents whatever.
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If I was Finn that would have been a good scene for him to go go fuck yourself
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that's my fucking sister you're talking about,
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well it would have played into sort of Finn's rage and I would have got all
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right on if anyone said that to me I'd be fucking what do you think me and my
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sister were doing you sick fuck,
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Yes, I know I would have. I would have called him out. Yeah,
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you know, although Finn's arc, you know, on his anger and making peace with
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his anger is sort of followed through.
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There could have been more opportunities for it to be done sort of in more detail type thing.
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I would say as well that there's also allusions.
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I'm sort of getting off point here, specifically, but there's sort of allusions
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here to the Friday the 13th series with the camp, with them being stranded in
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a camp with a basically supernatural killer on the rampage.
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Well, I do think it's a nice, I like the fact he made a first film which is
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his own, you know, something original thanks to Joe Hill and all,
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and he came up with something different.
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This one almost plays like, yeah, I'll do a sequel but I'm going to make it
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a nod to some of the films I like growing up.
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Yes. Yeah. So I did, there's definite allusions to the Friday the 13th series
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with them being at the camp. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, that's why I said you also had like an Agatha Christie feel.
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There's a great moment. Well, you said earlier that it felt like a stage play in the morning.
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I think about it. Yeah, I agree with that. And even I got a certain Hateful
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Eight vibe, which you also referenced earlier. Yeah.
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Just the fact, you know, stranded in this basically one setting and snowbound and, you know,
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there's a lot of bad stuff and violence going on so there are certain things
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going on yeah allusions to other sort of films and series and as we talk about
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it I start appreciating the film even more and I
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There's wonderful moments when Gwen is under, and she's having nightmares,
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but she's sleepwalking in the nightmares.
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So she is not sleeping.
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There's some inconsistency there.
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Sometimes she is. Sometimes she's not. But mainly when she's in a nightmare,
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she's sleepwalking or under a trance.
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And so there's a scene where everyone's trying to find her, and there's a blizzard
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going on. and she's kind of going to cabin to cabin and that's when they grab
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her, find her and try to chuck her in the oven.
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Yes, that's a very good thing. Yeah, at the same time, Finn and Ernesto and
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Ando are trying to find her and it builds tension really,
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really well because as they're trying to find her, she's being pretty much ripped
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apart and cut and there's blood everywhere and she's being brutalized.
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Yeah, it's Tina Zayeth in Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah,
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and again, she's a 16-year-old girl on this so that
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makes it more brutal and now some people
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there's not a lot of body count and i thought about this too
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and i said well there wasn't body count in the first one besides the
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brother it the body counts already happens you know
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the missing kids that's the body count you don't need to
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see that in this one there's not a body count but
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however you do have the three missing kids that he killed there's
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body count and you see what he's done to them it's brutal I would have liked
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to have seen of the main players here at the cabin one or two deaths of them
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essentially just to create more tension and more threat from the grabber and while we don't get.
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Maybe Scott Dernickson was sort of subverting the expectations of a Slicer-type
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film where there has to be a body count.
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And, you know, fair enough if he is doing that.
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But, you know, I do feel, I know that the guy who runs this camp,
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he does get injured badly, but he doesn't die from the grabber later on.
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But, I don't know, for me personally, I do think stuff, you know,
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deaths of sort of main players does increase tension and threat of the grabber.
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I like the fact that the grabber's whole thing is Gwen, Gwen,
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Gwen. He doesn't lose focus on his target.
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So that's why the other ones kind of get a pass. Now, there's a Christian couple
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in this. Fucking hated them. I hated them.
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They get hurt and stuff pretty good because we want to see them get hurt.
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Now if you want casualties yeah let them have it but I got one flaw here and
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it could be considered a big one so we find out that,
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what's his name, Mando, bought the place years ago.
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And he promised one of the parents of the missing children that he'd find the bodies.
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Now, he's been searching for years as he's on this camp looking for these bodies.
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And so have the police and so forth. And, of course, case closed.
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Nothing we can do about it. We're done. People have given up.
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But they're like, oh, check the lake. Well, yeah.
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I would have checked the lake the first thing I would have checked yeah exactly
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the first place you would have checked or one of the first places would have
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been the lake he's like oh there's another lake just down the road here okay
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why didn't you check so I thought that was a little,
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I'm forgiving it but I thought that was a little okay come on really.
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I do feel that this is very strong overall
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in fact I would even go as far as saying I think it's better
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than the first one but one thing that
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did niggle me was the more corny cheesy stuff
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with the mother yes I said earlier
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on that she committed suicide but found out later on that she actually didn't
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it was set up and she was actually murdered by the grabber you know in one of
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the dream sequences later on but some of the stuff with the mother did feel
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a little corny to me and almost like you know those conjuring films you know
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with their cheese I thought about it and what that girl what Gwen has gone through the last two films,
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and what she went through in this one especially.
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You needed her for her arc. You needed that. She needed that moment.
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In terms of the narrative, it does work, but at times I did feel it was a little
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corny, especially at the very end. We'll talk about the ending in a moment here.
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I do like when she finds out that they're looking at a picture,
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And they say, oh, that's Bill. And it's a young kid. We find out it's a young
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version of him. It's the young grabber before he became the grabber.
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And yeah, Wild Bill, we called him. The kids were putting on the ice, Wild Bill Hickok.
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Yes. W-B-H. And that's how they put the pieces together, who this guy is. It's the grabber.
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Yeah. The conversations between him and Finn are really good.
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And you don't see much of Ethan. but there's not in it as much as you think until the finale.
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And he's heavily made up as well. What was that? You know, he's heavy with the
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makeup as well, the Grabber makeup, which I liked.
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And yeah, I think it's good with a villain like the Grabber to keep him in the
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shadows and don't have him sort of revealed.
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Whereas in the Friday the 13th, I'm sorry, the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels,
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you know, you've seen a bit too much of Freddy with his wisecracking jokes,
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but here the Grabber is kept in the shadows and I think that's the best way.
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So it makes him much more sinister.
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The original phone book, he broke his neck. Yeah. The house doesn't burn down
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or anything, right? He just kills him, breaks his neck, right?
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No, I think I would have to watch it again. I think the house might burn down. No, I think it doesn't.
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No, it doesn't. So the reason I ask that, this just makes it even more clever.
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When the grabber's revealed, his face is all horned skin. Messed up.
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He's not decaying. I think is frostbite.
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I mean, he does say as well, whatever he does, those sinister phone calls,
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that hell isn't burning because he's in hell.
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It's basically, you're freezing to death, so it's like maybe ice burns,
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you know, deep ice burns from hell.
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Or his hell, his personal hell that the grabber's in is ice-based, so I don't know.
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Yeah, but that does, he looks cool, let's just say. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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And it's very good makeup.
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Some of the DP work in this, some of the best work is the ending sequence.
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They decide they got to go.
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The plot borrows- Comes a nice hockey star. The plot borrows from Ghost Story.
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Ghost Story is one of my favorites, guys. 1981, check it out.
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Peter Straub. Lauren Slavery, Fred Astaire.
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Wonderful. Peter Straub's novel. But spoiler alert, if you guys haven't seen
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Ghost Story, I'm going to give this away.
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This woman is haunting these people, and they have to figure out how to stop the woman.
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They figure out, find the bodies, find the body.
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So, well, that's kind of cliche, actually, in most horror films.
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Yeah, I was going to say there's a lot of horror films do that.
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Both the guys do even does it.
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So they have to go and they find these oil barrels that the three kids of their bodies are in.
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And Gwen is in complete hypnotic state, so she just jumps in.
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She's like almost like you're right dream warriors state now she's um she's invincible,
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and as they're fighting but see if they're doing that
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they're fighting the grabber and there's some
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wonderful moments here with the grabber there's a great shot of him coming
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toward us in this you got this fog bank
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and the cold of snow and you see this figure coming with
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through the as he's skating toward us with
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the mask on yes it's a wonderful shot again i
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think that's homage to a film called curtains curtains does
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the exact same thing it's creepy as hell guys check that one
27:48
out curtains again this film is i think
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really a nod to the hat to a lot of his influences yeah
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i mean just that scene but with the grabber you know doing the basically the
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ice hockey skating thing it does look like so much of this film um looks cracking
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it looks beautiful beautifully shot it is it is and i do think that it almost
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looks like a stage and i think that some of this was, but it doesn't matter.
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It actually makes it more beautiful. Yeah. But...
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This whole sequence of events is so fun. And because the first three quarters
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of it, you're just kind of stuck, you glued your seed, good conversations,
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dream sequences, flashbacks with using the 8mm or using dream,
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doing a dream state was done in 8mm.
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And you cut away to high def, then you know what the difference,
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you know, what reality is, what isn't.
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So it was a nice way to distinguish what was real and what wasn't.
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But this whole sequence is all going to be done with you know uh really cool
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effects and just beautiful dp work and the scene where they get the kids bodies
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up and then the grabbers now pretty much they took him out of dreamlike state
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and they can kill him he's he's vulnerable now,
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he's basically he becomes like the dragon in the r world but you don't see him
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it's like he's the Invisible Man type thing, but that's how they get them. And...
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When they just beat the fuck out of him, and then they tear him to shreds pretty
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good, and they chuck him in the water.
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There's a shot of him and the blood coming out of his body, and then you got
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the darkness, but you got the white, you got the glare from the moon coming
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into the water, and the covered ice.
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It's just gorgeous of him just- Back to your icy hell with you,
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asshole. Yeah. Yeah. It is.
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It's just a beautiful shot. Now, the film does end that the father is told that,
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because the father's always had guilt of why the mother commits suicide.
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And so they finally tell him, mother did commit suicide, the grabber hung her
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because she was on to him.
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And that explains why Gwen caught on to him in the first movie.
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So a lot of knots being tied here. You know, we're getting the whole story now, which is nice.
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And so the father gets emotional. Finn is dealing with, he finally has an outburst,
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screaming at everybody when he went through. And he finally let it all out.
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And that's his resolve. And then a phone rings. Now it's the mother.
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What they should have done here, I think when Gwen picks up the phone,
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she goes, hi, sweetie. and then all we needed to really see is Gwen have a smile
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on her face and then you should have cut away.
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That would have been a perfect little ending.
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But no, we get a little cheese motto with...
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Hey, is this your honey? Oh, they're up here in heaven with me.
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I love you. They're up here in heaven with me. And I get it.
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Clearly, there's a Catholic background to Derrickson, and I actually respect
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that 100%. And just that.
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There's a certain religious element to a lot of Scott Derrickson's films.
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All the stuff. All the stuff.
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But personally, for a horror film, the coup to hand it, maybe it's because I'm
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a sick, twisted freak. I'm going to go with, yes.
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What I was wanting what would have really worked for me would have been if it
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had been the mother being all nice but then the final sort of twist it was actually
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like Freddy Krueger it's actually the grabber fucking wear.
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Gotcha bitch welcome to prime time bitch that would have been stupid even better
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that could have actually had it as Freddy Krueger a cameo from Robert Unglund,
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Rubber England and you know saying something I'm here with your asshole friend the grabber.
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That would be daft but I would have liked the more sort of horror-esque,
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I'm obviously joking the horror-esque thing has been done,
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overplayed, oh you never got me you don't need a final scare anymore this isn't
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a slasher film, you said that yourself this isn't a Scott Derrickson,
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who's very good in his craft.
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He's not going to sell out by doing a stupid jump scare at the very end. He told the story.
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That's it. And so he gave us a complete conclusion. I just think they should have...
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I think they should have just cut it once the phone rang. We knew it was the
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mom. Put her smile on her face. That gives her closure. The end.
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I wanted it to be the grabber. That's just stupid. Now you're just going back to... Final skirt.
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And it sets up the next one. Now that's the problem.
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That's the problem right there. Because we will get a next one? I don't think we will.
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I actually don't think... Well, the studios will demand it. I believe this is doing well.
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And you know what? It deserves to do well because it's a very good film.
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And I would again say that I feel it's... I would have to watch the first one again.
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But I would say that it is possibly either just as good or even better than the first one overall.
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But if this does well at the box office, which I think it deserves to and it
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probably is and will there'll definitely be a third one if they end up doing
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a third one all new characters,
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all new characters including the grabber he's gone, you get a new villain you
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know that's one thing horror films don't get right, you can do sequel sequel
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sequel, don't keep the same villain they will but?
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You don't know, Scott Derrickson has control on this one and I don't see him
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selling out, that's one thing he won't do I can see him bailing but and saying...
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Yeah, he might have no choice. He might have no choice. But he...
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He quit against Marvel when Marvel wanted to complete. She said,
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no, I'm done then. And he walked away and they gave the reins to Sam Raimi.
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So you just, I don't know. I hope not. I hope that they told the story.
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They're done. I don't want to see any more of this.
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There doesn't need to be another one. Well, according to you,
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there should be because you want to jump scare at the end. No,
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no, no. If there's a jump scare at the end of this, then there's a sequel coming.
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I know. Would have left it hanging in the air. You don't. You don't do that.
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What's with you and loose ends? You love a fucking loose end.
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Because it has people, the audience, or if it's a book, the readers,
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sort of looking more. But it's a teaser.
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You're teasing. You're playing with the audience or the readership or whatever.
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These films aren't teaser films.
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Not everything has to be wrapped up on a nice little boat. Yes, it does.
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These do. No, they don't. They do because you're clueless when it comes to films.
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You are now. No. You have this hard on.
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You have this hard on. Oh, no, you don't have to give me a story.
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You just leave it to my imagination.
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Totally. Yes, absolutely. And we'll have that conversation with where what's
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coming up next, you fucker.
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So let me tell you right now. I'm telling you right now. Ooh. This is a fucking smart.
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Black Phone was a smart film, and it ended the end.
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They got into a second one. Fine, we'll do it. They did it again.
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They struck lightning in a bottle twice. Good on them.
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They are not going to sell out by going boo it takes away the entire it takes
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away the dramatic element you had why do you have to have it so you're saying
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it's a horror film so if it's a horror film it has to have the cliches of a
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horror film that's what you're saying,
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but you can play it around with them. No, you can't. I just thought this was
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a bit too neatly tied up on a bow.
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I mean, it didn't ruin it. You know, it doesn't ruin it.
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But I think it would have been more fun.
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And yes, it would have been a little bit of a cliche to have it not really being
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the mother, but actually the grabber.
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But at the same time, I'm sort of contradicting myself in that I don't want
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there to be another one because I think it is all, you know,
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it's all done and dusted.
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But being realistic, if this does well at the box office, there will be another
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one on that note cool as twat,
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no won't be see I see what I have to put up with listeners you know what I mean
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personal abuse it's you know I wish that fucking phone in the ring right now
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in your fucking head and then you'd be like hey Trevor you want a jump scare,
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damn I hope the fucking grabber gets you and fucking locks you in a basement
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so I have to deal with your shite.
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God i love i love friday mornings yeah the
36:39
weekend is upon us guys check it out it's a great film i love it when it's very
36:43
good well very few horror sequels can really pull this off and he he's done
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it a lot of people are saying this is better than the original i still go for
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the original because it's more grounded but either way a little oh you know
36:54
what's funny the girl in this who plays gwen,
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Madeline something something McGraw McGraw she's got a,
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almost a twin sister but she's a year and a half younger she's the girl the
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lead in the Megan films I thought it was her I thought it was too but she looks
37:12
just almost a twin but she's a year and a half the girl in the Megan films I
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think she's a year and a half they look very alike yeah very talented family so there you go
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and also the sister was also in the recent film that we reviewed Life of Chuck,
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Yeah, that's why I got confused. I thought it was the girl from here. Yeah.
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Uh-huh. No, no. Yeah, they look alike. They look very alike. Yeah.
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They're family, so there you go. All right, guys. Next up, Werewolves fan pick.
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