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The Kenny Report | 21 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: La from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The reprehensible decision by the i ICC, the International Court
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  Speaker 3: of just Criminal Court to go after Benjamin Net and Yahoo,
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  Speaker 3: and how Anthony Albanezi shamelessly abandons Israel plus two years
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  Speaker 3: on what's the point of albo bing pm. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: say or do anything and won't take responsibility. If Jond
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  Speaker 3: Longborg joins me to talk about the hidden costs of
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  Speaker 3: so called cheap solar and wind power, plus Susio O'Brien,
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Senetiempo, Claire Row and Tim Blair, let's get cracking
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  Speaker 3: first to the Middle East, and how the International Criminal
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  Speaker 3: Court has now shown that it's about as useful as
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  Speaker 3: the United Nations with which gave rise to it. The
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  Speaker 3: ICC must now be where truth and justice go to
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  Speaker 3: die after their proposed action on the war between.
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  Speaker 2: Hummas and Israel.
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  Speaker 3: People have held out some hope over the years for
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  Speaker 3: the ICC, but it's pathetic, political, anti Semitic and reprehensible
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  Speaker 3: stand now on Gaza shows that body is now just
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  Speaker 3: a complete waste of time, another multilateral body pushed around
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  Speaker 3: by despotic regimes and murderous dictators.
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  Speaker 2: The ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan wants to.
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  Speaker 3: Arrest not only the murderous leaders of the Islamist terrorist
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  Speaker 3: group Hummus like Jaja Sinwa and the other henchmen who conceived,
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  Speaker 3: ordered and celebrated the torture, rape, and slaughter of Israeli men,
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  Speaker 3: women and children on October the seventh, and who still
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  Speaker 3: hold one hundred and thirty hostages alive or dead now.
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  Speaker 3: The ICC prosecutor also wants to arrest the Israeli Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Defense minister for daring to
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  Speaker 3: defend Israel against these terrorist atrocities committed by invading terrorists,
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  Speaker 3: not to mention defending itself from Hamas's constant rocket rocket
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  Speaker 3: barrages and terror attacks.
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  Speaker 2: The ICC, of.
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  Speaker 3: Course, doesn't couch it in these terms. Instead, they draw
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  Speaker 3: some terrible moral equivalents and immoral equivalents if you like.
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  Speaker 3: That defends every sense of justice, humanity and reason.
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  Speaker 4: Will apply for warrants for Prime Minister Natunyahu and also
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  Speaker 4: a Minister of Defense galant for the crimes of causing extermination,
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  Speaker 4: causing starvation as a method of war, including the denial
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  Speaker 4: of humanitarian relief supplies deliberately targeting civilians in conflict.
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  Speaker 3: I'll come back to those claims later, those claims that
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  Speaker 3: are clearly and demonstrably wrong. But let's start with Hummas,
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  Speaker 3: which continues daily to enact the very lowest of human behavior, hateful,
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  Speaker 3: violence and bigotry directed at civilians. Hummas are openly committed
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  Speaker 3: to genocide, the eradication of Israel and its people, and
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  Speaker 3: they take pleasure in shocking the world by murdering babies,
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  Speaker 3: parading the naked bodies of female victims, slaughtering innocence, and
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  Speaker 3: by holding hostages. I've shown you as much of this
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  Speaker 3: stuff as I can. If you need convincing, go to
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  Speaker 3: YouTube and watch Screams before Silence. It's Hummas who started
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  Speaker 3: the latest war with these atrocities. It's Hummas who extends
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  Speaker 3: the war deliberately using Palestinian civilians as human shields and
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  Speaker 3: cannon fodder. And it's Hummus that sezars Aid into Gaza
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  Speaker 3: that's sent there by Israel. It seizes it at gunpoint
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  Speaker 3: to use it for its terrorists and to.
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  Speaker 2: Sell for profit. Would you believe?
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  Speaker 3: So that's Hummas. What about Israel? As of October the seventh.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, Israel did not have a presence in Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: It handed Gaza over to the Palestinians in twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: more than.
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Gaza's food, power, medical supplies, and trade was all facilitated
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  Speaker 3: by Israel. None of it could have happened without Israel.
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  Speaker 3: And after October the seventh, Israel, of course decleared war
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  Speaker 3: against Hummas, vowing to root it out altogether from Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: Every civilian death in Gaza since that time has been
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  Speaker 3: because of Hummas refusing to surrender, refusing to hand over hostages,
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  Speaker 3: and hiding among its own civilians. If Israel had no
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  Speaker 3: care for Palestinian lives, the war would have lasted about
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  Speaker 3: a week and Gaza would have been obliterated. The ICC
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  Speaker 3: talks about humanitarian supplies withheld from Gaza. Without Israel, there
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  Speaker 3: would be none. The Gazans would have starved. It is
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  Speaker 3: only thanks to Israel that Palestinians are surviving in Gaza,
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  Speaker 3: and it's Humas that often seizes the supplies, denying civilians
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  Speaker 3: their food. The reality is the opposite of what the
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  Speaker 3: ICC suggests. The ICC also alleges Israel has targeted civilians.
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  Speaker 3: Remember early in the conflict, when much of the world
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  Speaker 3: focused on Israel bombing a hospital and killing five hundred civilians,
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  Speaker 3: no such event even happened. The rocket came from Islamic Jihad,
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  Speaker 3: a brother in arms with Hamas, and it killed a
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  Speaker 3: handful of people in the hospital car park, but the
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  Speaker 3: facts did not stop all the outrage being directed at Israel. Likewise,
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  Speaker 3: the terrible tragedy when Israel accidentally hit and killed AID workers,
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  Speaker 3: a tragedy made more likely by how Hummas seeks to
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  Speaker 3: control all AID.
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  Speaker 2: But if that's to be portrayed.
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  Speaker 3: As a deliberate act, then what of other incidents where
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  Speaker 3: in the fog of war Israel has killed some of
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  Speaker 3: its own soldiers and even Israeli hostages running to what
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  Speaker 3: they thought were their rescuers. Were these accidents or did
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  Speaker 3: Israel mean to kill its own too? The answer is obvious,
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  Speaker 3: and the ICC posturing is obscene. The maelstream of war
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  Speaker 3: is always horrendous, and the fact show that Israel has
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  Speaker 3: put its own people at risk and slowed progress in
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  Speaker 3: this war week after week in order to minimize civilian deaths.
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  Speaker 3: Even the UN has had to quietly revise downwards this month,
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  Speaker 3: its estimated civilian death count by almost fifty percent. That's
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  Speaker 3: because Hummus propaganda does not match reality. That's because the
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  Speaker 3: outrage against Israel conjured up by Hummas and other Islamist
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  Speaker 3: grew as well as anti Western actors worldwide. It just
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  Speaker 3: does not stack up when it comes to the facts.
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  Speaker 3: Facts matter, morality matters, and respect for human life and
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  Speaker 3: the rule of law matters. That's why this ic C
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  Speaker 3: effort is a travesty. To draw equivalence between Hummas and
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  Speaker 3: Israel is something that should be beneath any proper legal institution.
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  Speaker 3: This treatment of Israel at the hands of the international
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  Speaker 3: community clearly demonstrates exactly why Israel has no option but
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  Speaker 3: to defend itself, to accept responsibility for its own survival,
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  Speaker 3: rather than rely on any help, any assistance, or any
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  Speaker 3: justice from the world of multilateral diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 3: Today is the second anniversary of the election of the
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi Labor government, and there's one overarching question hanging over
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  Speaker 3: this country. What is the point of Anthony Albanizi as
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister of Australia. What is the point of albo
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  Speaker 3: Let me start with the issue I just spoke about,
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East War, probably the gravest international flashpoint in
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  Speaker 3: the world right now, an area where there are stark
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  Speaker 3: choices for global security, for sovereign and democratic rights, for
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  Speaker 3: basic human rights, and for the defeat of Islamist extremist terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: These choices about national interests and national values are so
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  Speaker 3: stark that even the US President, yes, even sleepy Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 3: found a few words of moral clarity.
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  Speaker 5: Let me be clear, we reject the ICC's application for
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  Speaker 5: restaur warrants against as well as Ania. Whatever these warrants
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  Speaker 5: may imply, there is no equivalence between Israel and Hamas,
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  Speaker 5: contrary to allegations against Israel made by the International Court
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  Speaker 5: of Justice. What's happening is Mark jenocieject.
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  Speaker 3: And always stand with Israel, Well, said mister President. So
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  Speaker 3: what about our Prime minister? What point would Albo make
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  Speaker 3: on such a fundamental issue.
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  Speaker 6: You're pert than Joe Biden, says, sitting your restlance on
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  Speaker 6: this raelaris his outrageous.
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  Speaker 7: You agree, Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia,
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  Speaker 7: let alone court processes globally, which Australia is not a party.
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  Speaker 7: I just I just answered the same question. Look, I
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  Speaker 7: don't comment on court proceedings.
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  Speaker 3: What's the point, what's the point of Albo? He's got
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  Speaker 3: nothing to say. This club trap about not commenting on
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  Speaker 3: court cases is pathetic, it's nonsense. It's just an excuse
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  Speaker 3: to say nothing. Either Albo doesn't know the facts, doesn't
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  Speaker 3: know what he wants to say, or he doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: the backbound backbone to stand up for Australia values. Is
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  Speaker 3: he too scared to speak the truth, worried about an
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  Speaker 3: electoral backlash from the feral left of his own party,
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  Speaker 3: or from the Greens, or the university activists, or from
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  Speaker 3: Muslim communities in crucial seats. This is a terrible indictment
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  Speaker 3: on Olboa, but it's also a reflection on Australia. This
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  Speaker 3: is the lily livid view of the world that Australia
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  Speaker 3: now projects. But it gets worse because another Labor Minister
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  Speaker 3: isn't so shy. Chris Bowen took a break from destroying
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  Speaker 3: our electricity grid today to undermine our global standing, offering
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  Speaker 3: support not for Israel but for the false equivalence from
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  Speaker 3: the ICC.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I respect the International Criminal Court and I respect
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  Speaker 8: the work they do, and international law must be respected.
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  Speaker 8: International law, of course, was not respected by hamas Israel
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  Speaker 8: must respect international law. We respect the work of the
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  Speaker 8: International Criminal Court. International law must always be observed, and
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  Speaker 8: nobody gets a free pass from that.
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  Speaker 3: Just terrible turning their backs on decency, on liberty, and
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  Speaker 3: on our allies in favor of anti Israel bile from
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  Speaker 3: the UN crowd. Still getting back to Albo, Remember this
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  Speaker 3: is the bloke who promised to stand up and be
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  Speaker 3: accountable for his actions.
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  Speaker 7: If I'm Prime Minister, all accept responsibility each and every day.
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  Speaker 7: I'll work hard and I'll accept responsibility, not always seek
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  Speaker 7: to blame someone else.
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  Speaker 3: That was a fine sentiment, wasn't it. But it's turned
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  Speaker 3: into a major broken promise because Albanezi has turned blaming
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  Speaker 3: others and shirking responsibility into an art form. Remember what
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  Speaker 3: he said about immigration detainees out on bail and allegedly
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  Speaker 3: bashing people.
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  Speaker 7: It's inappropriate to comment further given it's in the middle
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  Speaker 7: of the investigation by WA police. Of course, the state
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  Speaker 7: bail schemes are run by the States by definition as well,
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  Speaker 7: but given the matter is under investigation before police and
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  Speaker 7: the courts, it's inappropriate to comment further.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Albo loves a court case gives him an excuse
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  Speaker 3: to try to say nothing. Remember what he said about
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  Speaker 3: monitoring these criminal immigration detainees after they'd been freed.
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  Speaker 7: The Community Protection Board is, of course a board that's
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  Speaker 7: independent of politicians. It's not appropriate for me to comment
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  Speaker 7: on individual cases. They make their decisions independent. Well, they
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  Speaker 7: make the decisions independent. One of the things that we
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  Speaker 7: have in this country is a separation.
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  Speaker 2: There another hand pass.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently the Prime Minister is in charge of nothing. Take
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  Speaker 3: GST allocations to the States.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the Commonwealth Grant's Commission operates at arms length from
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  Speaker 7: the government. It's not something that my government has direct
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  Speaker 7: involved in.
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  Speaker 9: Or on.
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  Speaker 3: Always someone there isn't there to pass the buck onto
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  Speaker 3: or to blame, like for the interest rate rises that
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  Speaker 3: he promised to ease.
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  Speaker 7: There is a Bank Australia and independent body and the
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  Speaker 7: government doesn't direct them on what to do.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, even for the Indigenous voice, a proposal
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  Speaker 3: worked up over two decades that only lasted a few
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  Speaker 3: months in his hands.
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  Speaker 7: This is not my proposal, this is the Australian people's proposal.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing sticks with this guy.
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  Speaker 3: He accepts no responsibility for anything, even on electricity prices,
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  Speaker 3: and he's promised to lower them.
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  Speaker 2: The blame was sheeted elsewhere.
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  Speaker 7: We know that there's been an impact of global energy prices.
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  Speaker 2: We commit a global community.
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  Speaker 10: Ukraine war started, It goes on and on, doesn't it
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  Speaker 10: take border protection and the arrival of asylum seeker boats.
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  Speaker 3: Yet again, Arbo just looks for uses not to say
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  Speaker 3: or do anything.
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  Speaker 7: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
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  Speaker 7: advised about that.
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  Speaker 2: This is not just a pattern anymore.
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  Speaker 3: This is the overarching characteristic of this prime minister. Albo
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  Speaker 3: is always keen to buck pass. He's always keen to
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  Speaker 3: blame others. He's always telling us that at someone else's
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  Speaker 3: job or not his responsibility, and far too often he
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  Speaker 3: either chooses not to speak at all, or he gives
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  Speaker 3: us a word salad that means nothing anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And this is most certainly not what he promised.
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  Speaker 7: I won't blame someone else. I'll accept responsibility. That's what
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  Speaker 7: leaders do. The Prime Minister never bothers, Toliver up to
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  Speaker 7: his job title. A prime minister who never takes responsibility
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  Speaker 7: and only ever looks to blame others. Is there any
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  Speaker 7: issue in which Scott my doesn't blame someone else? In
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  Speaker 7: which he doesn't take responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: So surely all this then adds up to another broken
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  Speaker 3: promise from Anthony Albanesi. If he doesn't want to say anything,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to do anything, doesn't want to accept responsibility
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  Speaker 3: for anything, and doesn't want to impose himself on any issues,
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  Speaker 3: then what is the point of Prime Minister Albanizi? I
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  Speaker 3: honestly don't know, and that means our federal government and
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  Speaker 3: our nation are just drifting, being shaped by events rather
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  Speaker 3: than shaping them. That's a pretty sad turn of events
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  Speaker 3: at the best of times, but in such turbulent times
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  Speaker 3: strategically and economically, it's downright dangerous. Let me bring in
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  Speaker 3: Liberal MP Andrew Wallace alive from the Sunshine Coast.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining Usandra.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get to more on the Albaneze government in a moment,
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  Speaker 3: but first up, I wanted to speak to you, as
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  Speaker 3: the Oceana chair of the Israel Our Caucus, tell us
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  Speaker 3: about that group and also how you view this pathetic
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  Speaker 3: response from Australia not criticizing the ICC at all over
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  Speaker 3: targeting Benjamin Netanyahu and his defense minister.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: The Israeli Allies Caucus is a body, an international body
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  Speaker 11: made up of parliamentarians from across fifty countries that support
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  Speaker 11: the State of Israel and support the Jewish communities within
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  Speaker 11: their own countries and within their own electorates.
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  Speaker 2: Just two weeks ago, in fact.
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  Speaker 11: The Australasia Israeli Allies Caucus issued an open letter to
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  Speaker 11: the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, signed by
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  Speaker 11: thirty one Coalition members, calling on him to basically come
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  Speaker 11: out and say whether the rumors were true, whether he
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  Speaker 11: was going to issue or seek the issuing.
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  Speaker 2: Of arrest warrants for Israel leaders.
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  Speaker 3: So he pointed out, so sorry to interrupt, Andrew, you
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  Speaker 3: must be you and your colleagues, both in the Coalition
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  Speaker 3: and in other countries, must be absolutely dismayed, not just
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  Speaker 3: at this action, but at the pathetic response from Anthony Alberanezi.
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  Speaker 11: Well that the response from the Prime Minister is as
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  Speaker 11: vacuous as he is useless.
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  Speaker 2: It's as vacuous as he is gutless.
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  Speaker 11: The people of Australia are looking for leadership right now
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  Speaker 11: from their Prime minister and they are getting nothing. You know,
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  Speaker 11: you stole so many of the points that I wanted
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  Speaker 11: to make from your very good editorial just a moment ago.
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  Speaker 11: This is the guy that came out in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 11: two in the election campaign and said that you know,
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  Speaker 11: he'd turn.
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  Speaker 2: Up, he'd show up, he'd show leadership.
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  Speaker 11: Well he has done anything but over the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: But Andrew, it's worse.
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  Speaker 3: It's worth worse than a vacuum on this issue now
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  Speaker 3: because the Prime Minister created the vacuum. He didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about this and the number one issue in
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  Speaker 3: the world this day, and the Prime Minister said, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to talk about it. So then instead we
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  Speaker 3: heard from Chris Bowen, one of his cabinet ministers, who
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  Speaker 3: essentially backed in the icc So now you have Australia's
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  Speaker 3: position is effectively backing in this pursuit of the Israeli leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Backing in Hamas leadership.
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  Speaker 11: You know, the Labor Party of Australia backing Harmas over Israel.
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  Speaker 11: They are backing the ic SE's confusion, their conflation. This
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  Speaker 11: somehow that there is some sort of moral equivalency between
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  Speaker 11: what happened on October seven and what has happened since. Chris,
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  Speaker 11: I've been to Israel, I've seen what happened was only
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  Speaker 11: I was only there.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of months.
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  Speaker 11: After October seven, I saw the sights of the massacres.
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  Speaker 11: I spoke to the people who had lost loved ones.
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  Speaker 11: There is no moral equivalency here. The leadership that is
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  Speaker 11: coming out by the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal
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  Speaker 11: Court is absolutely disgraceful. To try and argue that there
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  Speaker 11: is some sort of equivalency here is beyond the pale.
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  Speaker 2: Just quickly andrew on this.
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  Speaker 3: Though it was always controversial that Australia signed up to
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  Speaker 3: the ICC, it happened under the Howard government. I was
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  Speaker 3: an advisor to the Foreign Minister Alexander Down and when
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  Speaker 3: it happened there was a lot of consternation because America
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  Speaker 3: was holding out. Now, thankfully America did hold out. Should
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  Speaker 3: Australia now withdraw from the ICC?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's remember that this is an application for arrest warrants.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I know, and we're nearly out of time. I
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  Speaker 3: just need a quick answer. Do you believe balance Australia
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  Speaker 3: should disassociate itself from the ICC.
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  Speaker 11: If the ICC come out and issue these arrest warrants,
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  Speaker 11: Australia should be having a very very hard look at
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  Speaker 11: itself and its support and funding for the ICC.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for talking to us, Andrew. I appreciate Andrew Wallace there.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to talk to him about social media too.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get back to him next week on those issues perhaps.
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  Speaker 3: But as you know, I've been saying for months that
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  Speaker 3: one reason the alban Easy Labor government might go to
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  Speaker 3: the polls later this year rather than early next year
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  Speaker 3: is our electricity crisis. I've argued that Labour must know
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  Speaker 3: that we've been lucky to have two mild summers in
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  Speaker 3: a row, because if we get a normal summer in
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  Speaker 3: Southeastern Australia, especially a bit of a heat wave in
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  Speaker 3: late January or February, we're likely to run out of power.
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  Speaker 3: Our renewables push has made us very vulnerable, lots of
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  Speaker 3: power when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining,
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  Speaker 3: but not enough reliable dispatchable power. We saw a few
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  Speaker 3: power shortages in Victoria and South Australia last summer, but
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  Speaker 3: a proper hot summer spell when our electricity demand peaks,
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  Speaker 3: is likely to see blackouts and load shedding, especially if there's.
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  Speaker 2: A lull in the wind.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one reason I reckon Labor might want a
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  Speaker 3: election before Christmas. If we had an energy chaos in February,
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  Speaker 3: it'd crawl the pitch for an election for them in autumn.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, there was.
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  Speaker 3: More wind beneath the wings of this theory today if
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  Speaker 3: you like, when the Australian Energy Market Operator released a
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  Speaker 3: special update and it's all bad news. There'll be even
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: less power available than they hoped, and New South Wales,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Victoria and South Australia are looking at power shortages in
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the coming summer and for years to come, depending on
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: what generation and storage is added. Of course, a EMO
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: who has put out an urgent call for investment to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: shore up our electricity supplies.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Better late than never.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Hey, now, AMOS shoulders much of the blame here. They've
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: been all in on this renewable zeltry and their proposed
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: solution is more renewables and more transmission. This continues the
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: energy self farm. What we need, obviously is dispatchable power
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: power that's there when we need it, regardless of the weather. Still,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: just remember when you do get blackouts and power build
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: increases keep going up. Remember the government's been warned time
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and time again, and that Chris Bowen has been in denial,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: arrogantly declaring she'll be right, were.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: No blackouts caused by a lack of electricity. We had
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: issues with cyclones and transmission toils falling over. That can
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: happen to anyone. But we had plenty of energy to
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: get us.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Through last summer.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: And the investments will come forward, particularly underpinned by the
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: Albertazi government's capacity investment scheme.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Right, Oh, why would we doubt them? Hey, Labour's got
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: it under control. Let's see if they had the courage
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: then the courage of their convictions and they lead the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: election till next year. I want to catch up with
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: an expert now. Ted Woodley is a former Managing director
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: for Energy Australia. He joins me in the studio. Good
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to talk to you, Ted. Do you think Chris Bowen
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: is wives to be so confident that we'll have enough
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: energy to get through the next summer.
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: Well, one can never be totally confident that things won't happen,
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: and there are problems, so one can never guarantee one
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: hundred supply of electricity. And we are working at this
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: stage to a standard where outages are not expected for
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: any more than point zero zero zero six percent of
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: the time.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: We've been lucky with a couple of mild summers of late.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Do you share this obvious sphere.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: From a EMO that if we get a hot summer
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: we're going to get caught short.
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: Well, hot time has caused great stress on the system,
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: not only with respect to the generation side, of course,
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: but with transmission. And if you get hot summers you
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: might get bushfires and other weather events that can affect
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: the transmission system. But the real issue here is that
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: before any existing coal fired POWERstation is closed, replacement generation
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: capacity needs to be commissioned.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's just common sense, isn't it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the whole problem with the system, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: nobody would have any trouble with going to renew It
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: was if we could do it on the stage process
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: and we never run out of power.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: We've got ahead of ourselves.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Now you wrote in The Australian about snowy Hydro two
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: point zero EMO and now saying that might actually be
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a year closer than they thought on stream by twenty
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: twenty eight.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: There was supposed to be in operation already.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: What's your fears with snowy two point zero And is
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: that the efficient use of perhaps twenty billion dollars.
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: No, But in terms of the time frame. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: twenty twenty eight is just inconceivable. Florence, of course, the
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: tunnel boring machine, now legendary, is stuck again. She last
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: week she was paused again.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Is that right? I wasn't aware of that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So Florence was boring away again, but it's now again stuck.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: Well, in the twenty two months since she was commissioned
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: in March twenty twenty two, she has excavated eight hundred meters.
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: This is of a sixteen kilometer long head raised tunnel.
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: So even if she gets up to the speed of
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: the other two tunnel boring machines seven meters a day,
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: she's nowhere near that at present, hasn't been. But even
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: if she gets up to that speed, I'll take her
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: six years. That's into the next decade.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: So we tipped another seven billion dollars in in the budget.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Is that throwing good money after bad?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: Well, this seven point one billion was additional to one
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: point four billion that was provided by the government just
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: a couple of years ago, so we're up to eight
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: and a half billion dollars. When the project was announced,
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: it was not to cost the tax player anything at all,
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: as a two billion dollar project to be completed in
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: four years.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: But this is two thousand mega what hours of storage
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: of electricity doesn't actually generate anything new. It stores what
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: we pump up there, obviously, but surely for the amount
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: of money we're going to spend on this, we could
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: have built an enormous amount of perhaps a peaking gas
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: generation and other forms of storage.
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, well, Snowy too is a battery. It's not a
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: net generator. It's a net load on the system. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: as you say, it's twenty two hundred megawatts. And for
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: any project, I mean, it will provide a service like
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: any battery in a renewable energy system. But there comes
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: a point in time where any project is far too expensive,
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: and it was far too expensive, almost at the two
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: billion dollar figure. So it's a ridiculous amount of money.
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: Now it's twelve billion dollars, but it's more than twelve
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: because the financing costs and not included a whole lot
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: of transmission lines in trans measure lines fast about twenty
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: five billion, twenty five.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: The last I was twenty It could cost us twenty
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: five billion. It's going extraordinary. Stuff will catch up with
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you again on this ted I appreciate it, Ted Wooley,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: their former Energy Australia Managing director, Snowy Hydra two point
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: zero billions of dollars of our money going literally down
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a hole in the ground that is not doing anything
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: for our electricity grid. Now we're going to have a
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: break on the other side, Czo, Brighten, Stevenson and Tampa
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: joined me.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this early.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Election talk and when the PM will actually take responsibility
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: for something.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Plus the Queensland Premier heback's in Peter Dutton's plan to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: cut migration.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Let's go to our Tuesday panel star columnists from their
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: old son says Bryan joins us from Melbourne and Radio
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: two Double See Breakfast host in camera steven sente Tampa.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: IM good to talk to you both again.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: So he's the elbows out and about a lot selling
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: his budget.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It looks very campaign east right.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: And he's going to all sorts of marginal electorates to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: do we get the width of an election before the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: end of the year.
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: Well forty three electorates. It does feel like an election's
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: coming on. And the more he talks about wanting four
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: to four year terms, the more you think, well.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: He's not going to get it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 13: I mean, he's only got three he's still saying that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: you know, he wants the election. The election is going
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: to be in about twelve months time, but it really
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: is starting to feel like it's kind of he's on
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: the hustings already. And you know, you have to take
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: into account also the huge advertising spend on getting those
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: those support for those Stage three tax cuts. So I
• 27:57
  Speaker 13: mean the amount of money, the amount of time spending,
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: it does feel like an election.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Ah. That stuff makes me sick.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Using our tax dollars to tell us that we're being
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: allowed to keep more of our own tax dollars.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It's just crook as, but they all do it. Stephen.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: The thing is that Olbow goes out. It seems to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: me today, I've got the hard hat on and the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: bright jacket, and I'm talking about housing or whatever he's
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: talking about, and anyone asks about anything else, he just doesn't.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know what to say, He's got nothing to offer.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: The fact that he was just mute on what happened
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: with the Gaza and the ICC just astounds me.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: It was absolutely disgraceful and the only way to describe
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: it as gutless. But I've said time and time again
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: that this is a government that went into an election
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: with a small target strategy, had no policies to speak of,
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: and then it came to government thinking well, what do
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: we do now? We don't actually have any policies and
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: they haven't been able to develop any as we've gone along.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a prime minister.
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: I get the impression that he never ever really believed
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: he was going to be prime minister, and now that
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: he's there, he doesn't know what to do with the office.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: But having said that, I do think we probably are
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: heading to an election sooner rather than later, and that
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: might be a good thing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't mind that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't predict it yet, but I certainly think Susie,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: they're getting themselves in a position where they could do
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: if inflation tips down because of their energy subsidies to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: the power companies, and if they do get an easy
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: or even a good out look on interest rates, they
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: may well be tempted to go late in November early December,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: especially to avoid what a hot summer could do to
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: them in your home state.
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: Oh, certainly, and that three hundred dollars that was given
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: to everyone, and I argue that wasn't a wise thing
• 29:43
  Speaker 13: to do, but you know they had to do that
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: because of their election promises. So you sort of think
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: that they're starting to tick things off, they're lining it up.
• 29:51
  Speaker 13: But you know, it's definitely a case that he's trying
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: to make himself a small target. I mean, the fact
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: that he didn't comment on the ICC the finding recently
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: meant that, you know, he doesn't want to draw attention
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: to himself in unexpected ways. It's very much sticking to
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: the script.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very much a hollow man. Now.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Of course Peter Dutton is going to run hard on
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: cutting our immigration right, he's one support from an unlikely source. Here,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: here's Stephen Miles, the Queensland Premier, backing in Dutton over elbow.
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: So I welcome Peter Dutton echoing my comments. At the moment,
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: we have a population that is increasing at roughly twice
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: the rate that the Queensland construction sector can build houses.
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: Now that is leaving us with a shortfall of roughly
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: twenty seven thousand houses every year.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Albo will be loving that from his Queensland
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: mate Stephen.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But maybe Miles isn't as thick as I thought he was.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: Well, look at you know what they say, a broken
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: clocks right twice a day And I don't know, Peter Dutton,
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: it's something to hang your hat on that the Work
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: Experience Kit agrees with it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But look it's right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: You know, we're bringing in people faster than we can
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: build houses and we're seeing it at the back end.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: And the reality is that if you're going to say
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: that immigration is about filling a skill shortage, which the
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: government wants to tell us that it is, then you've
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: got to bring the skills in. We need to actually
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: fill the gaps that we've got and that from what
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: I understand, we're not bringing any construction skills in because
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: the unions don't want it. So what are we achieving
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: here other than propping up our gdp artificially to make
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: it look like.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: We're not in a recession. Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: One of the enduring wonders of the Australian political system
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: is that when coalition figures call for a cut to immigration,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: it's racist and xenophobic, but when labor politicians call for
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: a cut to immigration, it's just a sensible economic position.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: But talking about the economy SUSI, there are some storm
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: clouds ahead. We've all been surprised and pleased by how
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: well employment is held up. But Telstra is saying they're
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: going to shed nearly three thousand jobs.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Extraordinary number of jobs to go. That's a bit of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a wake up call.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And it's a bit of a worry if this is
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: a full taste of things to come from other major corporates.
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: Oh, this has come like a thunderbolt today. Even the
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: unions who are in enterprise bargaining negotiations with the company
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: didn't know that this was coming. Suddenly, they saw it
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: in the media the same as everybody else. So Telstra
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: has said it's going to cut about one in ten
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: of their workers, twenty eight hundred staff already, some of
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: them will be about three hundred will be leaving by
• 32:33
  Speaker 13: the end of this week alone. And people are starting
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: to say that we are really seeing a shift. For
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: years post COVID, it's been all about the employees. You know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: we've been working sort of working from home, doing what
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: we want, getting the salaries mostly that we wanted. Now
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: there is a shift, and we're starting to see these
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: massive cuts in these big corporations and there's certainly going
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: to be more to come, and it's very much going
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: to be an employer's from here on it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a worry how bad it'll get. Let's hope
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: it's not too bad. But you've hit the nail on
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have been working from
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: home might be wanting to turn up in the office
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a little bit more often, just so they've got some visibility.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Steven and Susie, appreciate it. Catch
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you next week. We've got to get to a break.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm catching up with Beyoron Lomborg
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: on the hidden costs of this so called sheeap solar
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: and wind power.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Don't miss it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: On a day when Australia has been warned again about
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: electricity shortages in coming summers, it's a great day to
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: catch up with the Copenhagen Consensus Center president Beyond Lomborg
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: joining us live from Malmo in Sweden. Good to talk
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to you again, Bejorn. You've been watching Australia very very closely.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: You might not have heard overnight that our energy market
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: operator has warned us yet again that our power supplies
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: are less than that expected and that South Australia, Victoria
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and New South Wales could face electricity shortages from this
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: summer and going into the next decade.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Well, it's no big surprise, right, I mean, fundamentally we're
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: being told that solar and wind is cheaper than fossil fuels.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: But the reality, of course is they're only cheaper when
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: the wind is blowing or the sun is shining. But
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: everyone needs power twenty four to seven, and so you
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: really have to take that into account. And when you
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: do it, of course turns out that it's much much
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: more expensive. Now we can still keep our lights on,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: but it's going to be more and more costly, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: that I think is the real challenge to believing that
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: we're just magically going to transition to green energy.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: There are too many people, I think, not the viewers
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: of this program, but there are too many people in
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: our public debate that don't seem to understand the basics
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: of the basic engineering. And you wrote recently with a
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: beautiful and obvious analogy relating to solar cars. We've made
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: our electricity grid a bit like a solar car.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, if you imagine offering the public
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: a cheap solar car that actually sounds like, oh, I'd
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: like one of those, until, of course you realize when
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: the sun is not shining, when it's overcast or at night,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: you actually need a backup gasoline cars. So you have
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: to buy two cars. Sure you're saving when you're driving
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: your solar car, but you actually have to pay twice
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: the capital costs, and then you also have to pay
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: the gasoline when it's overcast at night. And so the
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: reality here is there is a good reason why most
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: nations don't actually do just switch over to solo and wind.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: I emphasize, and I think nobody's really pointed this out
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: in the statistics. If you look at the big countries
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: in the world, so the Chinas and so on, we
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: believe that they are becoming ever more green. But the
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: reality is last year China got more power from coal
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: than it did, more additional power than it did from
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: solar and wind. And if you look at some of
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: the other countries, you know, Indonesia got ninety times as
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: much more from call than it did from solar and wind.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: And so reality is, yes, you can build up some
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: solar and wind, but you are actually going to end
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: up paying a lot of money if you try to
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: do too much.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: This is where I'd love to get your global perspective
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: on this, because I wrote on the weekend about how
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Iceland has the greatest penetration of renewables. They're blessed with
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: lots of thermal energy from volcanic geography, of course, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: they have hydro, so they get they're almost entirely renewable.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Good on them.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: But in the rest of the world, is there an
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: economy even vaguely comparable to Australia that's trying to do
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: as much as Australia. There's actually trying to pretend that
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a renewables plus storage.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Model can power a modern economy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: No, and I don't even think Australia succeeding in that either.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: So look, hydro is a great idea. You can do
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: some soloar and wind. So, for instance, in California, if
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: you have like ten percent solar, it actually works really
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: well because when the sun is strongest around midday is
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: also when you need air conditioning the most, So there
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: is a good overlap for some of these things. But
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: trying to get anywhere close to one hundred percent is
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: going to be almost impossible. For any nation. So again,
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: if you have lots of hydric great, and you should
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: definitely be using that. But we need to realize that
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: unless we find technologies that actually allow us to run
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: power twenty four to seven that could, for instance, be
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: fourth generation nuclear, we're not going to be able to
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: do this just with solar and wind, and when we're trying,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: it's just going to end up being incredibly costly. Just
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: one thing that I think we're missing is what are
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: we going to do with all the waste that's coming
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: out both from solar and wind. One recent period study
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: showed just the solo waste is going to double the
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: actual cost of solar, And of course we're talking about
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: something that's just below fossil fuels right now, double that
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: and it's nowhere near competitive. We don't take that into
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: account that we should.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed one of our local councils charging thirty
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  Speaker 3: five dollars a pop for people to get rid of
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  Speaker 3: their solar panels. They've got to replace them every fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years at a couple hundred bucks each, plus pay thirty
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  Speaker 3: five bucks. He used to get rid of the old ones.
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  Speaker 3: And as you say, where are we going to put them?
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  Speaker 2: All. This is the trouble in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Right, there's hope because the Coalition are talking sensibly about
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: nuclear We should have started on that two decades ago.
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  Speaker 2: But better late than never.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yet the market operator today to fix this looming crisis,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: they're just recommending more renewables and more transmission.
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  Speaker 2: It can't do the job, can it?
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: Probably not? So more transmission could be part of the solution.
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  Speaker 6: But the fundamental problem is, of course still you can't
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  Speaker 6: have a situation where you're relying on mostly something that
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  Speaker 6: only works when sun the shining of the wind is blowing.
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  Speaker 6: And yes, there is some evidence that if you have
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  Speaker 6: a very wide bread but again and almost nobody does that,
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  Speaker 6: and certainly I would imagine that most of the interconnectors
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: in Australia would be in the same region. You're still
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: back to the problem of saying, what are you going
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: to do when the sun is not shining and the
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: wind is not blowing. We need to recognize that currently
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: you need a lot more storage and that's going to
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  Speaker 6: make it unaffordable. Just to give you one example, a
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: recent period study showed that for the US, if you
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: actually want to run just on solar, just on wind.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: You're going to need back up in the equivalent of
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: three months of electricity production right now the US has
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: about seven minutes. So no, we're not going to be
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: able to do that. Doing that with batteries would call
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: cost the US about five times. It's GDP every fifteen years.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It's just that implausible, that impossible.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for bringing that clarity to us again, Beyond.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: What it's great to hear from Beyond Lombog because it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: just all over this stuff with the facts.
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  Speaker 2: It cannot be done without sending ourselves a.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Broad Now I want to catch up a child now
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  Speaker 3: lesson to psychologists. Claire Row again joining us live from Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: Always good to talk to you, Claire. But we've heard
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a lot from politicians in recent days about their plans
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  Speaker 3: to get kids off social media. Now, you and I
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: have talked about the toxicity of social media for kids,
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  Speaker 3: but it strikes me that, of course thirteen year olds
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  Speaker 3: under the law and not supposed to be on social
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  Speaker 3: media anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about your experience.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So can those laws actually succeed in keeping kids off Instagram,
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  Speaker 3: TikTok whatever it is.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, So when you sign up for an account at
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: the moment, you have to say that you are over
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: thirteen years of age. And I suppose you know that's
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: very easy just to lie, and there's no kind of
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: regulation as it stands at the moment anyway, So I
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: suppose the difficulty with this, and the pushback is to say, well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 15: how are we going to enforce this if we legislate it.
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  Speaker 15: And you know, as someone who as a child psychologist
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  Speaker 15: has known the very harmful effects on social media, they're
• 41:03
  Speaker 15: very real. I don't even think we know the extent
• 41:05
  Speaker 15: yet on the emerging brain. And then also someone who
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: thinks government needs to get out of our lives and
• 41:12
  Speaker 15: individual responsibility and parents need to be able to parent
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: as they see fit. I've had to kind of reconcile
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  Speaker 15: those two ideas, and I think what it does, it's
• 41:20
  Speaker 15: not so much enforcing it. It's about if we legislate this,
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: it enables parents to have the confidence to band together
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  Speaker 15: and say no, I don't care who else has it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: I don't care if little Johnny has it in the classroom,
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: you're not having it because it's against the law. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 15: I think it will support parents and being able to
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  Speaker 15: do that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we have a really good point because
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it's huge change in this way.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It's a really really good point because instead of the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: parents just trying to apply sort of family rules, they're
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: just saying, no, we're just enforcing the law of the land.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It strengthens their argument and makes it easier for them.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: To deliver it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very keen to hear clear, though, what you are
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: telling both some of the young people you're seeing now
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: and their parents, what advice you give them about social media,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: how they can avoid the worst of it or stay
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  Speaker 3: off it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Well, at this stage, I mean, I'm kind of fighting
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: a losing battle. And that's why I think this proposed
• 42:17
  Speaker 15: legislation is good because I've been telling parents that I
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: don't think at thirteen people should be getting social media.
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: I just don't think that any benefit. It's all harm.
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: The difficulty is that their friends are on it and
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: that's where they're socializing. But if you ask a child
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: about it, even a teenager, hey, what do you feel
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: if all your friends were off social media? Would that
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: be okay if you didn't have it? They go, yeah, yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: that's fine, no problem. So they themselves, you know, are
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: kind of welded to it if no one else is
• 42:48
  Speaker 15: on it, the effects on it. We know about the
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: content and unfiltered and cyberbullying and low self esteem. What
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: I'm also concerned about is the way it's neurologically changing
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: brains in terms of its addictive qualities. And what are
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: those brains not doing when they're spending five, six, seven
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: hours a day on their phones. Yeah, you know, they're
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: not getting free play, creativity, getting board social interactions. So
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: it's about what they're not doing while they're spending so
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: much of their life on their phone.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, spot on. It's a great worry. Thanks so much
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: for talking to us, Claire. I appreciate it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Claire row there, who's the child and adolescent psychologist, cuts
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: through all this stuff.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: She deals with it day in day out. That's a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: great worry, isn't it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: But a good point there that if those laws come
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: in federally or by state governments, gives parents the power
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: to make those arguments and do some good for their kids,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: and hopefully it makes it easier for the kids to
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: embrace that approach. Now, after the break, we'll catch up
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: with Tim Blair talk about the weak leadership shown by
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: our universities refusing to take action against these pro Palestinian encampments.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Great to catch up with Tim Blair, bloger to the Nation.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Columnists of the Daily Telegraph.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Catch up with him live from the Wimmera in Western Victoria.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Tim, One issue without notice,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: though at the start we've got some other stuff to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: get onto. But I know you, perhaps even more so
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: than me, wouldn't have had high expectations of Anthony Albernezi
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: as Prime minister.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But when the.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: International Criminal Court prosecutor says he wants to arrest Benjamin
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Nett and Yahoo, what have we reached? When our own
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: prime minister says no, he has nothing to say about it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: This is extraordinary because in this case alban Easy is
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: even behind Joe Biden, and that is a very rare
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: occurrence in modern geopolitics. If you're trailing behind someone who's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: trailing behind his former self, you're a long way back
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: in the race. And it speaks as well to the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: conflict within the ALP that they really don't have a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: reflexive response that's right or wrong. They can't they can't
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: judge it. It's opinion polling and it's dealing with co
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: disputes over it. They literally don't know how to call
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest disputes in the world since World
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: War Two. They've got no moral compass on this.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It is extraordinary.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: We often mock Joe Biden, and we might even get
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: some time to do that again later in this segment.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: But as I said at the top, he spoke with
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: political and moral clarity on this today and it makes
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Anthony iveneasy. Look like, what did Keating say a shiver
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: looking for a spine to run up or something like that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Now, related to.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: The same topic, your column today in the Daily Telegraph
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: directed me to some comments I hadn't heard on Ben
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Fordham's show on two GB. Incredible comments from Mark Scott,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the former head of the ABC now heads up Sydney University.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Here he is with Ben Fordham talking about the protests
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: on Sydney UNI.
• 45:45
  Speaker 16: I'm sorry that they feel upset that the encampment is there.
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: It is a big university. It's a very large university
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: and it's very possible to work your way around the
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: university and not be confronted by the encampment.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Now, it's only a small protest on a big UNI.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: It's easy to get around, and you make the perfect
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: point that actually Israel's only a small country too, but a.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Lot of people I've seen to be having trouble getting
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: around it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely if you look at a map, and not a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people do. It's in the university. If you
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: look at a map of the Middle Ast, you'll find
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the proportion of Israel to the rest of it is
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: kind of dramatic. So if you want to work around,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you want to avoid Israel, if you want to have
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: no engagement with Israel, very easy to do. But as
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: we've seen over many decades since nineteen forty eight that
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Islamic Middle Eastern nations have a great deal of difficulty
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: disengaging from that issue. And as we saw most recently
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and most horrifically on October seven, certainly Hamas, there's no
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: ability to work around Israel at all.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Indeed, that segues us to the Islamus regime in Iran,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: of course, where the leadership there wants to annihilate Israel.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: They lost their president yesterday and some brave Iranian women
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: understandably celebrated, have a lot Yeah, we can all understand
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: given what the regime has done to women and others
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: in Iran, but it takes an enormous amount of bravery
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: to actually show any defiance in that country.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: It certainly does, and you know, the expressions of joy
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of a tyrant who's killed so many women and so
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: many Iranians over so many decades, that joy has got
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to be measured against, of course, the risk that the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: existing members of the regime and existing forces will take
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: their revenge against those women, as we've seen time and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: time again. Read a Panning is terrific on this issue.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Of course, given her background. Yeah, of course she would
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: be and with her family, and she's very much lived
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that the ordeal of women have faced in that country.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, at last Iranian women have something to celebrate.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Good on them, indeed, although sadly, and I think the
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: regime will change much in indeed as a toler Kamini
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: who still runs the show.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Let me get back to Joe Biden, because I said
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: we might have.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Time to mock him tonight, and I do want to
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: show this crap. I think it's from the same event
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: where he spoke so strongly about Israel, but he's talking
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to this audience about someone who's a hostage. A hummus hostage,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: and he gets muddled up and actually thinks the guys
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: in the room haven't looked.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Andrews reasu're working around the clock to free the main
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: hostage is just over you of freed. Hastige is already
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: and here the today is hersh Gelberg, Paul and who's
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: still he is not here with us, but he's still
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: being held by a mass Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: No, mister President would like him to be here today,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: but he's still a hostage.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Well, this is going to make the debate so fascinating.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: You know, is he on drugs? Does he have a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: good drug team to get him through these things? That's
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: what the speculation A lot of cases, but they might
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: be needing to update the dose. This is of course
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a guy though who for a long time has forgotten
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: where his own son died. So maybe it shouldn't be
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: any great any great shock, but he doesn't know if
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: someone's in the room or in hamas custody.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: It is sad.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: It makes those debates delectable if they ever happen. Thanks
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Tim, I appreciate it very Tim Blair
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: in the Daily Telegraph or via the blog on that
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: same website, just quickly. Some of your feedback on this
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Olympian gush shoemaker I showed you last night being grilled
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: in the US Congress. Robert says they don't want to
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: talk about the facts because the facts don't support their
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: claims absolutely, and another viewer says climate change activists are
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: living in.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: La la land.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: They sure are, and one war says net zero won't
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: achieve anything but pain and suffering.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it's already doing that, but we'll keep on the case.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. I'll be back tomorrow night. He's Quidlin