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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-24-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Hebby hod.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety
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  Speaker 2: two one f M. Glad to be with you, host
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz Draft pre Utah Mammoth Draft.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be talking about both today.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd is going to swing by in a half hour,
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  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny at noon between the pipes early today, and
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  Speaker 2: Pablo Masterini to talk some World Cup brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by Beer Bar.
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  Speaker 1: That is the head.
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  Speaker 2: Coach of your rsl MLS squad, Pablo Masterini. So it
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  Speaker 2: went down the way we thought it was going to
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  Speaker 2: go down last night. Shout out to the engine room
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  Speaker 2: by the way, thirteen eighty eight South three hundred West.
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  Speaker 1: Really really cool spot.
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  Speaker 2: A good amount of parking out in front of that
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  Speaker 2: mega walmart right just to the east of that, and
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  Speaker 2: a really really delicious menu, diverse menu. The building itself
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  Speaker 2: divided into a couple of different dining spaces, and Spence
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  Speaker 2: was talking about this last night with Smitty and Gordy
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  Speaker 2: and myself as we did our draft show. They've chopped
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  Speaker 2: it up so you could have a fine dining experience upfront.
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  Speaker 2: It can be date night upfront, a business dinner upfront,
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  Speaker 2: whatever in the back fully fleshed out, beautiful sports bar,
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  Speaker 2: but the menu accessible on both sides, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: just pub food in the bar, and it's not like
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  Speaker 2: you can't have a burger and fries in the fine
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  Speaker 2: dining So uh, the service was absolutely incredible. Last night
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  Speaker 2: is my first time being at the engine room. I
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  Speaker 2: will be back undoubtedly, so shout out to them for
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  Speaker 2: uh being great hosts for our NBA Draft special.
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  Speaker 1: And oc I.
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  Speaker 2: I stopped in during Spencer's remote. I had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of time hanging out here and thought, hey, let
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  Speaker 2: me go, let me go check out the space.
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  Speaker 1: You can get.
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  Speaker 2: They've got a bar in both places too, So when
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  Speaker 2: you say sports bar in one area, restaurant you can get,
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  Speaker 2: you can get drinks in both places too. They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make sure that your adult beverage is accessible to you
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  Speaker 2: wherever you're shitting, patio, all of it, but the but
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  Speaker 2: the front is also you. You don't have to you
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  Speaker 2: can bring your you can bring your kids in everything.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to have your ID in the restaurant part.
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  Speaker 2: It's just when you go to the sports bar. So
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  Speaker 2: it really is the best in both worlds unless you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting at the bar itself. You can actually have the
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  Speaker 2: kids in there. It's it's just a really good spot.
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  Speaker 1: Go check it out.
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  Speaker 2: I had the potato crusted salmon with parson nip pure.
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  Speaker 2: That is not bar food, Okay, that is fine dining,
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  Speaker 2: and it lived up to my expectation and exceeded it.
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  Speaker 1: It was really really excellent.
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  Speaker 2: The owner of the engine Room is the same person
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  Speaker 2: who gave us Big Daddy's Pizza, which was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty four hour delivery, budget friendly kind of pizza. They
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  Speaker 2: also owned Takorea twenty seven, which is like a really
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  Speaker 2: high end, avant garde taco space that does the basics
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  Speaker 2: really well, but also you can branch out a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: They do special guacamole's. The last time I was there,
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  Speaker 2: I had a blueberry guacamole. You would not think that
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  Speaker 2: those two things mixed. They do, I assure you. So
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  Speaker 2: that kind of occupies this middle ground. And then a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of all of it at the engine Room
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  Speaker 2: with your pub food and if you want a sixty
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  Speaker 2: dollars steak you can get that there as well. So
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  Speaker 2: really really nice spot. Big thanks to them for hosting us.
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  Speaker 2: Big thanks to Gordy for grinding it out for three
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  Speaker 2: and a half hours. Same thing with Richard Smitty Smith,
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  Speaker 2: and of course Spence Checkets. He was on his show
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and then he was on immediately after he did
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  Speaker 2: the draft special and he anchored the whole thing and
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  Speaker 2: was just kind of lobbing softballs to everyone. So that's
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  Speaker 2: a long day of work. It beats digging ditches, but
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  Speaker 2: that's along six and a half hour, seven and a
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  Speaker 2: half hour day of just yappin'.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of went the way we expected it to go.
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  Speaker 2: Chalk in those first four picks, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that any of us expected anything different. It would have
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  Speaker 2: been fun to get kind of a blockbuster move, a surprise,
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  Speaker 2: a crazy trade or something like that. But at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, the Washington Wizards drafted aj Debonsa
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  Speaker 2: to put with Trey Young, who they signed an extension
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  Speaker 2: to get with Anthony Davis, and then suddenly that Washington
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  Speaker 2: Wizard's team mix and Alex sar They've got an interesting
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  Speaker 2: young roster.
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  Speaker 1: Over there in the East, the.
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz, as expected, went Darren Peterson in round number two,
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  Speaker 2: and I have to say I was over analyzing over
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  Speaker 2: indexing like, Hey, what's his body language like when he
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  Speaker 2: hears his name to the Utah Jazz. Is he smiling
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  Speaker 2: as he looking resigned? Is he just sort of begrudgingly
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  Speaker 2: accepting that this is his fate. Are we going to
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  Speaker 2: hear something about, oh, he doesn't actually want to be here.
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  Speaker 2: And he just did the interview previous to the draft
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  Speaker 2: to make the Jazz feel better and not let him
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  Speaker 2: drop to three or four or whatever. He looked genuinely
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  Speaker 2: happy to be drafted by the Utah Jazz. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 2: bulk of that is being drafted number two overall. He
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  Speaker 2: said the right things afterward, and now, Darren Peterson is
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  Speaker 2: your number two overall draft pick. Your twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz pick is Darren Peterson, a guy who a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people had is their numberumber one on the
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  Speaker 2: big board. A lot of people coming into college basketball
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  Speaker 2: season last year said this could be the best player
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  Speaker 2: in the country, and there were plenty of people who
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  Speaker 2: thought that this was actually the better pick, even for Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Now positionally and fitting into the roster, aj debonsa I
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  Speaker 2: think makes more sense for Washington because you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to crowd your back court with Trey Young and Darren
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  Speaker 2: Peterson and have them try to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: coexist together. I think for the Utah Jazz positionally, this
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  Speaker 2: also makes sense as much as I would have been
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  Speaker 2: on board with aj Debonca and with Cam Boozer and
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  Speaker 2: or with Cam Boozer. Right now, you've got an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: crowded front court. You have to demand that Keyante George
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  Speaker 2: become more of a ball dominant guard, or you have
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  Speaker 2: to demand that Kyante George take another big step after
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  Speaker 2: this last year's big step in order to balance out
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  Speaker 2: your starting lineup, to balance out your team as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: And with Darren Peterson and the upside that he represents,
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  Speaker 2: the possibilities, you're endless now for this Utah Jazz when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to who your starting lineup is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: When you want to play big, how does that look?
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  Speaker 2: When you want to play small? How does that look?
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  Speaker 2: When you want to mix up your defensive matchups, how
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  Speaker 2: does that look.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good two way player.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy with the size to defend any guard
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  Speaker 2: in the league effectively. And again, upside is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a big word here with Darren Peterson. If he
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  Speaker 2: scratches that soon you're a much better team than you
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  Speaker 2: were yesterday morning, because you now have a guy who
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  Speaker 2: everyone in the NBA thought was at least a top
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  Speaker 2: five player.
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  Speaker 1: In this draft.
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  Speaker 2: You get him at number two, and he fits into
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to do from a basketball perspective. Does
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  Speaker 2: he fit personality wise? Does he fit work ethic wise?
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  Speaker 2: Does he fit priority wise? We still have to find
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  Speaker 2: out those things. But to be fair to the player,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's really given us any reason to
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  Speaker 2: question that. I was questioning him a lot during the
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  Speaker 2: basketball season. I was talking more trash on Darren Peterson
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  Speaker 2: than probably any host west of the Mississippi.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: His own head coach is just shrugging his shoulders in
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  Speaker 2: postgame press conferences like, yeah, he was playing great, and
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he coudn't play anymore and
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 1: Had to take him out.
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  Speaker 2: Or we thought he was going to be available to
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  Speaker 2: go today, and he looked okay in the warm ups,
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  Speaker 2: and then he came to me and said, I can't go.
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  Speaker 1: What does that remind you of?
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  Speaker 2: Does that remind you of any time in like a
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  Speaker 2: local team's history. Does that remind you of any particular
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  Speaker 2: painful football season, maybe where your most important player was
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  Speaker 2: always a big time question mark going into it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I had such a problem.
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  Speaker 2: With everything that was going on around the Darren Peterson situation,
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  Speaker 2: even though it was in Kansas and it didn't affect
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  Speaker 2: the University of Utah at all because Utah was so
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  Speaker 2: far down the ladder in the Big twelve. It barely
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  Speaker 2: affected BYU, who was a little bit higher up with
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  Speaker 2: aj Debonnce on their roster. And I'm looking at it
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  Speaker 2: and going like, I don't know, man, I don't trust
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  Speaker 2: this kid. I don't trust the explanation, I don't trust
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  Speaker 2: the communication. I don't trust any of this. And then
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  Speaker 2: the pre draft process, the Utah Jazz much smarter people
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  Speaker 2: than me, the medical officers of the Utah Jazz, much
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  Speaker 2: smarter people than me, the Angels, etc. They're like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, this is our guy. We checked every box
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  Speaker 2: we needed to check. We went through the entire due
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  Speaker 2: diligence process. We did have a face to face conversation
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  Speaker 2: with him. We flew to him to make sure we
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  Speaker 2: could have that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: They went to Ohio. It sounds like to have that.
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  Speaker 2: Conversation and they said, you know what, good enough for me?
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  Speaker 2: And if it's good enough for them, far be it
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  Speaker 2: for me to pretend I'm more intelligent, especially on a
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  Speaker 2: basketball perspective. I think I think one thing oc that
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  Speaker 2: worked against Darren Peterson throughout the college basketball season and
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  Speaker 2: then in the pre draft process from a pr ST
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  Speaker 2: sandpoint was it was pretty underreported or maybe we maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was reported well enough, but but people like us
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  Speaker 2: didn't didn't do a good enough job of amplifying the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he is just more of an introvert than
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  Speaker 2: most of your big franchise players. You expect them to
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  Speaker 2: be right. And I think that that has Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I think that worked against him during his college days
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  Speaker 2: because he would feel the things that's happening and with
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  Speaker 2: his body, the cramping whatever. He had the very traumatic
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  Speaker 2: incident where he had to go to the hospital, and
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  Speaker 2: after that, whenever he felt his body tighten up, he
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  Speaker 2: just said, Nope, can't do it, don't want to, don't
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  Speaker 2: want to go through that again.
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  Speaker 1: PTSD type thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing about that is he and maybe
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  Speaker 2: because he's an introvert. Oh see, just to finish the thought,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't really explain it all that way.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a very friendly like and that's where
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  Speaker 2: probably Utah Jazz fan base has to net out on
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  Speaker 2: these things. I think he handled it poorly, but he's
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  Speaker 2: a college kid. He's a freshman in college. You're gonna
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  Speaker 2: handle things poorly. It was a lack of maturity because
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  Speaker 2: he's a teenager still too. Yeah, the introvert extrovert thing
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  Speaker 2: probably does have something to do with it. The other
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  Speaker 2: people right, like him not being a good communicator, him
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  Speaker 2: not being able to like articulate for himself exactly why fine,
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  Speaker 2: but his coach didn't even know. His college coach was like, eh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, and like if that is where the
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  Speaker 2: communication breakdown happens. To me, that was problematic. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that there's been an acknowledgment of that issue by
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  Speaker 2: the Darren Peterson camp, maybe by Darren himself. I also
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  Speaker 2: believe what I heard from several different people that maybe
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  Speaker 2: he just didn't never He never wanted to be a
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  Speaker 2: college basketball player.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't into it.
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  Speaker 2: He, like many other people, thought it was stupid that
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  Speaker 2: he had to spend one year and not even a
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  Speaker 2: full year in Lawrence and just yeah, I'm gonna pretend
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  Speaker 2: like that this isn't important to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's an issue with that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the NBA, it's not really sensical for
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  Speaker 2: that requirement to exist anymore. Got to be one year
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  Speaker 2: removed from high school because look at all the different
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  Speaker 2: mechanisms players use. Now they go to these weird prep
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  Speaker 2: academy schools that are just kind of like this hinterland
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  Speaker 2: between college and pro sports.
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  Speaker 1: Over time elite.
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  Speaker 2: The Thompson Brothers, that was like the Yeah, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to play college, so we played in this, like
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  Speaker 2: this the in between pro league that high school players
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  Speaker 2: played into.
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  Speaker 1: Which which we went weirdly.
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  Speaker 2: I rubbed elbows with all of that because we did
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  Speaker 2: some PFL events in their arena in Atlanta, with like
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  Speaker 2: their headquarters in Atlanta, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful facility.
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  Speaker 2: They have like this incredible weight room, incredible training spot,
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  Speaker 2: this giant complex of basketball courts, these gorgeous locker rooms.
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  Speaker 1: Of full nutrition set up and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And you walk through there and you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is just a this is a pro facility, but
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  Speaker 2: everyone here is sixteen seventeen eighteen years old. They do
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  Speaker 2: it for volleyball players, they do it for basketball players.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what a weird thing. And I understand they
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  Speaker 2: were trying to occupy a space that the loopholes created,
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  Speaker 2: but then that space kind of closed when NIL became
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Yep, because the G League, I mean the
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  Speaker 2: G League suffered more than anyone. The G League was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: this is a great place for people to go develop,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, get paid, And every player was just like, well, cool,
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  Speaker 2: Like the G League is cool, but I can make
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  Speaker 2: twelve times what I'm offered in the G League by
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  Speaker 2: going to Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was part of it.
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  Speaker 2: And hopefully sooner than later we'll get an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: speak with Darren Peterson and maybe he will have some
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  Speaker 2: insight for us. To your point, James, maybe he's too
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  Speaker 2: much of an introvert to feel like he has to
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  Speaker 2: answer those questions.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully someone asked those questions if it's not us.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you got to
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  Speaker 2: give a little bit of grace to these individuals. And
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  Speaker 2: if you want this relationship with the Utah Jazz to
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  Speaker 2: move forward and a positive way, you absolutely have to
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  Speaker 2: give grace to those individuals. You have to let these
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  Speaker 2: things be water under the bridge. Even if you think
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  Speaker 2: he was faking those injuries at Kansas, which I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he was fully, but even if you think he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't doing everything he could to be on the floor
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  Speaker 2: for Kansas, if you want it to work out in Utah,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of just have to say, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's how it was there. That's not how it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be here. Yeah, I mean, like it's the whole. You
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  Speaker 2: can you can be hyper critical when he's not your
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  Speaker 2: guy that you're investing in, and from a fans standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're emotionally investing in this guy. You're investing you know,
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  Speaker 2: ticket prices and concession prices, that stuff too, but mostly
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  Speaker 2: emotional investment in this guy. Now that he's your guy,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of you have to do your best to
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  Speaker 2: make this work, especially if you work for the Jazz,
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  Speaker 2: but also as fans, like you have to put it
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  Speaker 2: in your head like, Okay, I got to give this
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  Speaker 2: guy a chance because he's our guy, and he's so
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  Speaker 2: crazy talented. If he meets his potential, this Skuy's the
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  Speaker 2: limit for this for this team. The thing that I'll
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  Speaker 2: say too, going back to the introvert thing, just to
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  Speaker 2: prime everybody, He's going to be the best player in
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  Speaker 2: the Jazz at some point, if not starting next season. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that does not mean that he's necessarily going to be
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  Speaker 2: the great raw raw leader that we expect the best
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  Speaker 2: player on a team to be. There's going to have
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  Speaker 2: to be other people on the team probably that need
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  Speaker 2: to fill that role. And that's a that's a puzzle
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  Speaker 2: for Austin Ange to figure out. That's a puzzle for
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  Speaker 2: Will Hardy to figure out. I hope that they do.
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  Speaker 2: But I can just see now a year or two
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  Speaker 2: from now, when the Jazz have high expectations again going
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  Speaker 2: why is it we need more from Darren Peterson. Why
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  Speaker 2: isn't he pumping his teammates up more? Why isn't he
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  Speaker 2: being more inspiring? It's like, because maybe that's not his personality.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he's more Kevin Durant than Lebron James in that regard.
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  Speaker 2: So just to set that up, let's have reasonable expectations
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  Speaker 2: for him just as a basket not just as a
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  Speaker 2: basketball player, but as a leader. As a Jazz fan,
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  Speaker 2: you might love this or you might hate this from
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson. What would Kobe do? Is a mantra that
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  Speaker 2: he likes to ask himself live by. You know, might
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  Speaker 2: be put on his right, on his shoes, or on
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  Speaker 2: a T shirt. Maybe he'll get a tattooed someday, who knows.
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  Speaker 2: What would Kobe do is something that in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of cases, you tah Jazz fans like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what would Kobe do?
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  Speaker 2: From a guy who now is manufacturing a chip to
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  Speaker 2: put on his shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. There's no real reason for anyone.
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  Speaker 2: To be like, oh, I was the number two overall
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  Speaker 2: pick in any draft, now mad at the world.
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  Speaker 1: You don't believe in me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, a number two it means people believe in you.
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  Speaker 2: You just aren't six nine and a half like the
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  Speaker 2: other guy. Okay, like the number one guy. But we
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  Speaker 2: have learned to appreciate this mentality from alpha elite level players.
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is being fueled by a fire only he
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  Speaker 2: and maybe the people closest to him, maybe his family,
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  Speaker 2: are fanning. I can't believe Washington passed over me at
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  Speaker 2: number one. He's not hearing, He's not he doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: to listen to the conversation. Well, it kind of doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make the most obvious sense. But you and Trey Young
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: in the same backcourt right now, right when they have
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: more front court needs in Washington. I mean, not only
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: is Aj arguably a better overall player than you, but
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: also he's more of a fit on that roster potentially.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson doesn't need to hear any of that right now.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is just like, no, man, I'm gonna prove
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: that I'm better than him. There are a lot of
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: guys that are going on their national programs today and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: they're making the prediction that Darren Peterson will have the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: best career out of all these guys, and that's really
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: saying something given the level of talent expected in this draft.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a stretch.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I think Darren Peterson, you can make an argument in
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: those top four, top five, top maybe ten picks, nobody's
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in a better situation than Darren Peterson right now. A
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: lot of these guys got drafted to teams that are
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: going to turn it on in two or three years.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: They're going to really put their foot down on the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: gas pedal in two or three years, the Utah Jazz
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: are doing that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Today. The Utah Jazz are like, all right, our plan, our.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Vision, as clunky as the execution was, has now settled
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: into a spot where maybe maybe we've got something special here,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and that maybe is predicated largely on whether or not
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson maintains this Mamba men that he has decided
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: to come public with a little bit. He said this,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I love this celebration stops tonight. I got drafted today,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: but tomorrow I'm now an NBA player, Gonna get home
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and work out until I've got a report to Utah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Kobe's my guy. I'm inspired by him, So I just
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: try to think what would Kobe do right now? He'd
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: get drafted and move on and try to be the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: best possible. That's what I'm going to do. I see
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a guy that went number one on the screen right now.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: He's referring, of course, to aj De Bonsa, So I'm
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: extra motivated. It will always be in my mind for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: my whole career. You are a blessed young man. If
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: number two is not good enough for you, but I
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: love that. If this is someone in your life, if
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: this is your sister, if this is your boss, if
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: this is whatever you're going gosh, relax, man, The ten
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: million dollar contract is great. It's good enough. The number
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: two position is great. It's good enough. We can make
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: it argument that you're actually in a better spot. But
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: from your pro athletes, this is the mentality you want. No,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: that's not good enough. I'm not happy. I am not satisfied.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I am not okay with that. I love that from
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson. Austin Ams last night said they expect to
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: see him in Summer League. So the celebration for the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz fans, or maybe you don't feel celebratory. Maybe
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: this pick happens to some chagrin. Maybe I kind of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: moved past this spot mentally. But when the draft order
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: was determined in the lottery, I was like, Man, the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Jazz are gonna end up picking the one of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: top three guys that doesn't really make a lot of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: intuitive sense in Utah from a knowledge background, cultural basis standpoint.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: It might be the only one. I'm like, that's the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: one you're gonna get. And by the way, I'll try
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to make this the last time I say it. I'll
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: try to make this the last time I talked about it,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: but there will always be a part of me that
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: wonders how hard this was for Ryan Smith to keep
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: his hands off. I will always wonder how difficult it
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: was for him to not see his vision through all
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the way to the end. And I'm making some assumptions,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: but I think we all infer the same thing. That
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: his vision on some level was to have Aj Debonsa
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in a jazz uniform in this draft. Now, to be fair,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: his vision was also to have Cooper Flag in a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Utah jazz uniform in the last draft. And that one
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: we knew it wasn't gonna be a possibility as soon
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: as the draft lottery happened.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: This one was like, it can happen.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And so when we get a chance to get a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: truthful opportunity to speak with Ryan Smith, and it probably
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be on air because he has to maintain the
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: company line and he has to say the right things.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I would love at some point a truth serum conversation
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: with Ryan Smith. How difficult was it for you to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: not say, go get me Aj Debonsa, whatever the cost.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: How difficult was it for the people in this jazz
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: organization to see their guy Carlos Boozer sitting there next
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to his son, his beautiful family, everyone gathered in celebratory
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: but not quite the right fit for the Utah Jazz.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Because I will have those things in my mind forever.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I probably need more from Darren Peterson even than you do.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: If Cam Buser ends up being a good player, maybe
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: even a great player, If aj Debonca ends up being
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: a great player, Darren Peterson has to be great Turvan
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: for me to be like, Ah, it's okay that it
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: worked out this way. It makes sense that it worked
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: out this way. Some of the greatest gifts are the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: unanswered prayers, Like I want to feel that way about it,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: but I gotta believe. You're this billionaire who's executed all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: these things to not quite perfection, but to really favorable
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: outcomes for yourself and the things you care about. And
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you've got, i mean, let's be honest, a pretty favorable
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: reputation in your community compared to a lot of these
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: other sports owners, and you're just like, man, I made
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: this happen.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I made this happen. Look what's going on with my
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: hockey team.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I'm building this world class facility down at the South
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Town mall. That's gonna be a medical center, it's gonna
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: be a jazz practice facility. We've already got the Mammoth
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: thing up and running. People are happy that we've got
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: an infrastructure being developed around.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Youth sports, partially because of me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: My alma mater is really really good right now in football,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: which I kind of care about, but in basketball, which
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I really really care about. We just produced a number
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: one pick and I have the number two pick.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I really want to know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I really want to know how hard it was, how
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: hard it will be for him to watch AJ Debonsa
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: lacing it up for Washington instead of for Utah. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I fully allow for the opportunity for the fact that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: maybe that relationship ran its course, that on both sides
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: of the equation, that AJ and Smith Entertainment were just like, yeah, man,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: we're really happy with the outcome that we had at BYU.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: We're really happy for you. You're really happy for us.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But it's okay that this is not us forging a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: path forward together.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Root for you, root for us. We're good.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It could very much be that. I'm not sure. I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I do want to know. And Darren
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Peterson is now the headline for every Utah Jazz story
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: that we have for the foreseeable future. Walker Kessler getting
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: extended matters because you have Darren Peterson, Keyontay George figuring
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: out things won't be this year, will be next year
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: will matter more because you have Darren Peterson. Kyante George's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: role on this team is either going to change very
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: drastically because you have Darren Peterson, or because you don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: have the version of Darren Peterson that you thought you
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: were gonna get. Maybe in this rookie year, Keyontay George's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: role doesn't change all that much, or maybe Will Hardy says, no,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: we're better with both those guys on the floor at
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the same time, starting out in clutch time, and maybe
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: maybe the role is similar. But you said it last night, Spence.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Spence concurred with you. Gory Gordy, I think concurred with
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you as well. It feels like Keyante is in that mole,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that mold of a Jordan Clarkson Jamal Crawford great offensive
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: engine off the bench more than he is great point guard,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: lead guard as a starter, So that could end up
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: being the role that he needs to be in for
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: this team to be the most successful, and you have
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson who can be your lead guard. So in
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that way, his role might change drastically, like you just said.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And by the way, respect to Keiante George for growing
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the way that he did this year. And it's probably uncomfortable, unfortunate.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's maddening for him that because of some rookie
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that we don't know what he.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Looks like at the NBA level.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Now people are just like, aha, I've decided that Kiante
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: George's role is going to be a diminished one or
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is going to be a different one because this guy
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball is way
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: better than him all. Probably, if I'm Kyantay George, you
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: would drive me absolutely up a wall to tune into
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show or the Driver Spence Check Its
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and hear a bunch of like unathletic white dudes talking
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: about how in an ideal situation, I am not your
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: lead guard. I'm going like, what are you talking about?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I averaged twenty four points for you. We know, key,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: you were tuning into the NBA Draft show last night
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: when they said that too.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it would be.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And this is why, like the Mamba mentality, the Kobe
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: thing matters, not just for these like, not for Darren Peterson,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: not just for Kobe, not for Michael Jordan. On the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: last hands, every player's got to have a little bit
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of this in them, every professional athlete, every high level performer.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You have to have at least a little bit of
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: this in you. Where when you hear someone say, no,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you're really good, but no, don't tell me the butt.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear the butt. Do you know
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: how much work I put in to get to where
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I am where I'm at today and then to hear
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you tune in and he probably doesn't, but maybe shout
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: out to Key know you're listening right when people are
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just like yeah, but defensively, he's kind of a liability,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: so oh oh really, you try to guard anybody. I'll
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: be on the three point line in today's NBA while
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you're also working on your craft as a scorer, as
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a creator, as a distributor and all those things. You
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: really think you could be a great two way player.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Look what I have done to get myself here. If
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you're Keyante George, you have to have that right, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: now you have to have that times too, because they
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: brought in a guy who's a little taller, who's a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: little bigger, who's a little more talented, who's a little younger,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: who's gonna get a little.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Bit more leash.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: His sweat probably smells better, like he's just we're getting
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to like ridiculous.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: His hair, his hair is a little bit better.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Right, all these things and now everyone, you get this
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: shiny new toy toy Story five is out in theaters
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: right now. The whole thing, the whole root of that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: franchise is there's always a shiny new object that the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: old reliables have to fight against.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It's the whole thing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You go all the way back to Buzz light Year's
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: introduction to Woody, right, and every single episode since, or
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: every single installment, sense has been some level of just like, wait,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I am being neglected, I am being unappreciated because there
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: is something new.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Life is new, a new toy is out there. Whatever.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: That's what Kiante George has to deal with right now.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And I promise you he is not just going to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: roll over and accept relegation to a backup role, to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a sixth man role. If that's not what he has
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in his mind as ideal for his future. He's got
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a contract coming up. He and his agent want to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: make a case that he deserves max money on a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: rookie extension. He wants that. Every player wants that, right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: You know how hard that is if you're a sixth
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: man to make that case. Do you know how difficult
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: it's going to be to tell the other teams, hey,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: give me a better offer sheet than what the Jazz
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: are willing to match, because I I'm a sixth man here,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: but when I come to your place, I'm gonna be
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: like James Harden was from OKC to Houston. Nobody's gonna
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: believe that with Keyonte George, Right. So the competition that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: created in this franchise well hard, He's gonna have to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: do a good job of managing it. But it's healthy
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and it's incredible, and I think it's gonna give us,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: hopefully another level of growth from Keyante and Darren Peterson
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: has the right mentality, because celebrate all you want last night,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: come into this situation now and your teammates are gonna
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: want to help you, but one of them is also
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: gonna be coming for your throat and trying to prove
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: that he is better than you every single day. That's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: what Darren Peterson's gonna be up against, and that's gonna
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: cause growth from him. I'm telling you. Aj De Bonson
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was the number one pick. He's in a decent situation.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Cambuo's is the number three pick. He's I don't actually
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: like his situation all that much. Darren Peterson landing at
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: number two is in a better situation than almost anybody
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: in the draft that didn't go to San Antonio Spurs. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and I'll say this, how fun is it gonna be?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City Summer League up at the Huntsman Center.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: We're now what two weeks away from that, less than
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: two weeks away from that. OC cannot wait to see
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson's first first minutes as a jazz Man in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in summer league. Hopefully, you know, knock on wood, we
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: get to see him play.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Sarah Todd gonna join us next.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: We're getting rolling here on a Wednesday post NBA Draft.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow's when the NHL Draft begins, so lots to get to.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's a Sean o'connle show on ESPN seven and ninety
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to ONEFM you tune to.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Of Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show, Welcome in
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd, NBA and Jazz Insider over at the day's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: news at NBA. Sarah on the old tweet machine, Sarah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the show.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: How are you.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I'm doing great, A lot of a lot of excitement
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: from everything that happened yesterday. I'm exhausted because I stepped
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: off of a flight from Europe and basically went straight
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: over to the jazz facility for draft nights. So I
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: was exhausted yesterday, but I will get through the jet
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: lag this week.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Uh. Europe for business or pleasure?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay. Me and my husband took both of our
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: moms on a kind of a European vacation, and we
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: wrapped it around the fact that he had a work
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: conference in Budapest, and so we ended the trip in
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Budapest and he was there for work, but for the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: rest of us it was for pleasure.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I love that, all right. That's the right way to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: By the way, when somebody in the family has an
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: official engagement you attach everybody on.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: You make it a vacation.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Glad you're back and glad we get to talk to
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you about the Utah Jazz selecting Darren Peterson at number
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: two after a lot of wonder, worry, hand ringing, speculation,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it ends up being kind of the most predictable outcome
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: in the top four ish of this NBA draft. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: most important is the Utah Jazz get the guy from
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Kansas who we were not so sure wanted to be
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: in Utah. How influential was the meeting that the Jazz
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: had with Darren Peterson and his family at his home.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: We learned about that pre draft yesterday in I guess
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: closing this deal from the jazz.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Perspective, yeah, I think the Jazz went into the situation
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: knowing that Darren was the guy that they wanted, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the trip kind of served two purposes, right. It was one,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: let's go and make sure that he's definitely the kind
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: of person that we want, Like, let's get to know
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: him a little better. Let's you know, we've we've got
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: him checked as he's the guy we want, but let's
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: just solidify it and make sure. And then the other
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: purpose was while we're there, let's sell him on the Jazz,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and it was it was a really big deal. I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: it wasn't like they hadn't been in communication. Darren had
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: a really good interview with the Jazz at the combine.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't like Darren wasn't I wasn't thinking, oh,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want to play for any certain team. It
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: was just that, you know, there was a chance of
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: him being the number one pick too. And so when
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: you you know, when you meet with the team that
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: has the number one pick and there's a possibility, you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: it wasn't strange that him or aj weren't really working
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: out as the top picks. You know, they know they're
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: going to go number one and two whatever order they
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: end up going. But that trip to Canton, Ohio was
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: really important because you had the entire basically Jazz brain trust.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: You had Austin Ainge, Avery Bradley, Danny Ainge, Justin Vannik
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: and all of them were like, you know the gesture
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: of being like, don't worry, like we're going to come
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: to you. We want to come to your hometown where
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: you're comfortable, it's on your turf, meet your family and
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: just sit down and talk, and that gesture really meant
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: a lot to Darren. It meant a lot to his family,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: and they, you know, they totally used it as a
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: sales pitch opportunity. You know, the Jazz, you know, Austin
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Ange went in there and he was ready to tell
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: them like, look at how many cellouts we've had. Look
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: at the fans that show up when the Jazz have
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: been you know, tanking and rebuilding. Look at look at
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: how many people show up, and how many people are
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: excited that you could potentially be there with them. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: this is how we're going to use you. This is
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: what we see for the future. We're ready to win
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: games right now. It's not like you and know you're
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: a top lottery pick going to a team that's still
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: going to be you know, rebuilding for a couple of years.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: We're ready to go. Now, let's win some games. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: it all meant a lot to Darren and to his family,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: and it got him really excited about it, and so
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: he seemed really really excited and kind of itching to
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: get here when I talked to him last night.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: You just part of that answer was one of the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: most intriguing things about all this for me, how are
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we going to use you? What do we know about
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the Jazz vision for how to use Darren Peterson, especially
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: in this rookie year. What it means for Keyante, George
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and the other guys in that backcourt.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen with that?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think as far as like starting
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: lineups and closing of that sort of thing, I think
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: that remains to be seen. But there's some little context
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: clues that we can pick up from some of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: things that Austin Ainge said yesterday and from a couple
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: of things that Darren Peterson said last night. Darren specifically
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: said one of the things that he said about the
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Jazz is that he was really excited to play with
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Kyante because he thought that they could have one of
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: the most dynamic backcourts in the league with both of
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: them on the floor. And so to me, that says
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: that that's something that has been talked about with him
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: so far, and I mean I think that that's true. Right, Like,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: whether we know that we've seen Keyante grow on the
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: ball and that he's become a much better distributor and
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: a much careful, more careful player over the last year
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: and a half two years, and we know that Darren
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: is great with the ball in his hands. Yesterday, Austin
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: had said that, you know, whether Darren plays with a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: one or two is not necessarily as important on offense
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: because he can be a combo guard and he can
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: be used in different ways. He's definitely going to be
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: playing in the pick and roll and coming off screens,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of movement in the Jazz's offense
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: as we know, and so that's going to stay the same.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Where you see kind of who the point guard is
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: is more like on defense, who's going to be guarding
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: the guy with the ball? And Darren Peterson is a
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: defensive guy, and so I think that's where we're going
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: to see him kind of take on more of the
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: lead role responsibilities on the defensive end.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Will Hardy and really everyone in this organization has been
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: pretty clear about the fact that they want to improve defensively.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: They want to end up maybe being one of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: top defensive teams in the league. And I think you
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: already partially answered this, but how much of drafting Darren
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Peterson had to do with him being a great two
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: way player had to do with him being a good defender.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, frankly, I think that we would all
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: kind of be rolling our eyes and kind of, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: looking a little sideways if the Jazz were to go
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: get another player who kind of didn't have a defensive profile,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: right Like, if you bring in another another guard or
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: a wing who can't play defense, then that would be
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: a big problem. And yes, the Jazz want to be
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: better defensively and they want to be a good defensive team,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: but my god, that's a long way away from what
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: we've seen the last few years. And so Darren Peterson
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: is not going to fix things all on his own. Yes,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: he definitely gives the Jazz, you know, kind of a
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: point of attack defender that they haven't really had the
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: last few years. But there's a lot of work to
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: be done, you know, across the roster. You're going to
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: need Keyante George to step up even more on that side.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: We need to see Ace Bailey develop and be able
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: to use his tools, and I think that's going to
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: come with time with him. If Walker is here, we
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: need him to step up even more than what we've
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: seen from him, you know in his first couple of
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: seasons and you know, Lowry also like everybody needs to
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: step up, And in my brain, I'm like part of
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: me thinks, well, the last few years, we certainly haven't
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: seen guys trying their hardest right, like they can certainly
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: do more than they have. I think that the motivation
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: to try your absolute best and kind of play that
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: dog in defense when you're on a tanking team, that's
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: really really difficult. So I think that naturally guys will
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: try harder now that they know that wins are the priority.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: But even on top of that, there needs to be
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: a more concerted effort. There needs to be more priority
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: on the defensive end from everybody.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell schell,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: reacting to Darren Peterson drafted by the Utah Jazz number
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: two last night. We have, of course Round two of
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the NBA Draft coming up, maybe some more local flavor there,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: perhaps Richie Saunders will come off the board from BYU
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: staying with the Utah Jazz here for a moment though,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and especially on defensive conversation, Walker Kessler has been offered
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: an extension and apparently doesn't feel like the twenty eight
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: million dollars per year. Average annual value is quite adequate.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's going to be a market
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: much higher than that for him around the NBA.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Kind of depends on who you're listening to.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: But is this something that eventually is going to get
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: done between Walker Kessler and the Jazz.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like eventually it'll get done. I mean,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: this is this is the way that this probably was
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: always going to go. You know, the Jazz are going
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: to offer a number. You know, they were almost always
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: going to be like, no, we want more, and then
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: you go back and you negotiate. It's probably going to
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: end up somewhere in the middle. You know, that Jazz
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: might move up a little bit more. They're definitely not
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: going to move up to exactly where Walker's you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: agent and everybody wants him to be. So I think
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: this is just how these conversations are going to go.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit more of a highlight
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: on it because it's Walker, because the Jazz have already
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: been spurned by restricted free agents before in the past,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: and so there's a little bit more of a spotlight
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: on the situation than maybe normally would happen. But this
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: is kind of how those conversations go, and it's an
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: interesting one and it's interesting to kind of think about
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: who has the leverage in these conversations and for what reasons. Also,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: let's definitely not forget that the person negotiating this is
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Aaron mince who's Walker's agent. He's also the agent for
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Trey Young, who got him what looks like a lot
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: more money than Sarah Todd thinks he deserves. But this
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: is how it goes, right, Like they the Jazz say
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: a number, the agents say no, then they go back
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: to the board. Like that's how it's going to go.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I think this is going to be resolved. You know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Walker came out on social media and kind of wanted
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: to clear the air. And it's the same thing that
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I always say to everyone when you hear you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Walker turned down the money. Well, it's not Walker walking
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: into a room and saying I don't want to be here,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: give me more, you know, it's the agents that are
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: working on this and like Walker wants to be here,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: he wants to feel like he's being treated fairly. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: you know, we'll see where it all ends up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: What number is Darren Peterson going to wear for the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz Yeah, I was just.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Actually looking through some of this. So Darren wants number
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: twenty two currently, Kyle Philipowski wears number twenty two. Kyle
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: philip Howski wore twenty two in high school. He also
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: wore a couple of other numbers depending on where he
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: was playing in high school. But Kyle also wore number
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: thirty at Duke. Thirty was currently being worn by use
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: of Nurkic, So if Nirk doesn't re sign, then thirty
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: would be available, and so there's a little bit of
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: negotiating room there. Darren Peterson's backup number would be number eight,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: but Isaiah Collier is wearing number eight, and Isaiah Collier
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: kind of had to He gave up that number to
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Patty Mills and then had to wait until Patty Mills
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: left to get the number eight back. But I feel
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: like there's probably a negotiation that can happen that could
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: lead to Darren wearing twenty two.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Interesting, he's a big Kobe guy. Why is twenty four
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: not an option for him?
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that a lot of Kobe
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: people kind of more associate to eight with him than
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: the twenty four that seems like I see more eight
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Kobe jerseys than I do anything else. I know that
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Darren just got a Kobe tattoo. I haven't seen the tattoo,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: and so I'm wondering, like, is the Kobe tattoo with
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: him in an eight jersey? So maybe that just feels
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: more significant. That's kind of just playing in my mind,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: like maybe that's why the eight is there. But I think,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you know, this happens all the time in the NBA,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: when like you guys show up to a team, they're
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: negotiations of all sorts that happen, whether it's you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: offering money, offering other things. And so I think that
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: you can probably get something ironed out between Darren and Philipowski.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Darren also signed a big endorsement deal and extension with Adidas.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: He's going to get his own shoe.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It looks like, do we have any insight as to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: how involved he will be with that process.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly how involved he's going to be
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: with with the process. I think that a lot of
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: times like that, these shoe deals, like the being involved
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: in the creative process usually is just about how how
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: involved the player wants to be right, if they have
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: a big enough profile and like a big enough name,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: and Darren Peterson, you know, for all intents and purposes,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: was you know, a number one prospect and so that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: a that's a huge profile and he's going to you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: get a signature shoe. That makes a lot of sense,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I think from my point of view. But if he
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: wants to just say like, oh, yeah, you know, check
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: check on a piece of paper when they kind of
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: show him options and color ways and say like yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: I like that or no, I want this color over here,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: can we switch that. It could be as simple as
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: that and like saying yes to something when it's presented
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: in front of him, and it could also be you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: involved with him saying what types of colors he wants
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: or you know, kind of the profile of the shoe
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: and how it looks. But I think that that really
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: depends on how much the player wants to be involved
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: in how creative they are, and I don't really know
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: that much about Darren Peterson's creativity at this point.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: So we'll see unfair question time, what what do we
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: need to get out of Darren Peterson in the next
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I'll say three years for us to look back and say,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: all right, he was justified at number two.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, because I think when we when
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: we go into the draft, right like, there's all these
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: really really high expectations and feelings like you want the
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: guy who was going to go number one or number two,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: you want them to be a future multi time All
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Star with MVP potential, right Like, that's all kind of
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: ceiling talk. And what makes a lot of sense is
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, if he were to get anywhere near All
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: star level, then absolutely one hundred percent success, great pick,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: good job. But I think that if.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: You have.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Just a efficient and really important starter who is impactful
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: and helps winning, then that that is what you paid for.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: That's what you thanked for, that's why you wanted him,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: that's what you want to get out of him. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: so obviously kind of the sky is the limit things
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: that you look towards, the possible MVP, the possible multi
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: time All Star stuff like, yes, all of that would
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: be great, but what you really really are wanting from
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: a top guy is just that they help you win.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: And now it is time to win for this Utah
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Jazz basketball team.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: A what a special season is coming here.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Sarah where you're actually going to be covering a team
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that's trying to win basketball games.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I can't believe it. Honestly, I'll believe it when I
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: see it. The years have blended together. So oh see,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I just, I just I'll give me some winning basketball
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: to watch. I will take it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: We all look forward to it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Appreciate your coverage on all this stuff, Appreciate your time today,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Get some rest and get rid of that jet lag,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and we'll chat again soon.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks a lot, talk so Sarah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Todd Over at the Deseret News at NBA, Sarah on Twitter,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson number two to the Utah Jazz And you
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: know what I want to talk about this shoe deal.
• 48:51
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  Speaker 1: About did we pick the right guy? I wish we
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• 49:52
  Speaker 1: really like Daron Peterson, but he's gonna like Utah. Here's
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a fun line. It's fun storyline for you. Darren P.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Paterson, concurrent with his number two position in the NBA
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Draft last night, signs an extension with Adidas. Famously, he
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: became one of the first high school athletes.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: With the real nil deal.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: He signed with Adidas in high school, he extended that
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: through his freshman year at Kansas, and now he signs
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: what is reported to be we don't have exact numbers yet,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: but they're saying this will be a top five most
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: lucrative rookie shoe deal in NBA history.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Sounds really good.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: That's a sexy headline, top five shoe deal in rookie
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: NBA history. What does that actually mean from a number standpoint?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: As we await the official report, Zion Williamston still Zion
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Williamson still holds the distinction of the most lucrative rookie
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: contract before he ever played a game in the NBA. Obviously,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: he was a sensation in the collegiate ranks. Zion Williamson
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: signed a five year, seventy five million dollar deal with
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Jordan Brand. Lebron James's first deal again before playing in
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: the NBA seven years, ninety million dollars with Nike. He
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: actually chose Nike over a twenty five million dollar increase
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: in the offer by rebok because he wanted to be
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: with Nike. And I think it's worked out quite nicely
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: for Lebron. He's got his own shoe line, he's got
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: a lifetime deal with Nike. He's flirting with several hundred
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars over the course of that deal. Kevin Durant
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: seven years, sixty million dollars with Nike. He also turned
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: down a larger offer from Adidas to stay with Nike.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And now Darren Peterson jumps into this top five. No
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: official numbers yet, but that's what we're talking about here.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: So a guy whose rookie NBA deal is going to
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: pay about ten million dollars the first year, about eleven
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: million dollars the second year, and keep going up from
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: there is also getting more than that average annual value
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: from this shoe deal, and he already got money from Adidas.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: And by the way, as a Utah fan, as a
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: University of Utah fan, this means that whatever Darren Peterson shoes,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: they can come in a University of Utah colorway, and
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you can wear them to Rice Ecles Stadium and have
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: it matched the whole thing, because we're all gonna have
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: to get used to wearing the three stripes if and
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: when they become Utah's official apparel partner.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Red and white. Not bad. I didn't like the mockups.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: The first mockups that we saw of Utah potential Adidas.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: They looked to Nebraska for me.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like, was that were those official mockups or
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: was that a guy do an ai design or whatever?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Correct, that's what I thought.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, but like still not great.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I And look, we're not gonna get any official mock
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: ups for nine months because the Underharbour deal goes through
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: next summer. Yeah, the last the base next basic when
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: the last baseball game is played off whatever or whatever
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: it is, how whoever gets further, that's when we're gonna
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: be like Okay, this is what utel might look like
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: in Adidas.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the one thing I.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Don't know if you saw, he scrolled down a little
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: bit because someone in that in that tweet that you
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: that you sent out, Hey, what do you think of these?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Are you tough fans?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: The first the first one he show that this guy
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: made had the different color collar compared to the rest
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of the jersey, which I didn't love. I I liked
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the red caller on the black jersey. I didn't really
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: like the other ones. He uh, he changed it because
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: someone said I would prefer for if the collers were
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the same colors as the rest of the jerseys. So
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: here you go. That looked a lot better. I think
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it changed the Nebraska. Other people said they're a little
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: too Rutgers for me, and I saw that too.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Having the same color collar worked a little bit better
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: on those on that guy's mock ups there. But yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I hope that they I still hope that they look
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: better than either of those two versions. We'll see, Darren Peterson.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I hope that you have some level of creative control
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: here with Dadidas. We need desperately, we need a signature
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: shoe that's cool. Yeah, Jordan brand has been out for
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: a long time. Bright Jordan makes a bunch of great ones.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: None of the newer models are great. The Lebrons are
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: very very hit and miss. There's some awesome ones, most
• 54:48
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  Speaker 1: Well not just the Utah Mammoth draft, the NHL.
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  Speaker 9: It's up both seawalkome to Draft Week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Draft Week in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz make a splash Darren Peterson number two last night.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah Mammoth not holding on to a lottery pick,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: not holding on to a top five pick like we
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: grew accustomed to, but they will have some picks in
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: this upcoming NHL draft. And it's really interesting the juxtaposition
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  Speaker 2: of like when your team has a super high draft pick,
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  Speaker 2: you pay more attention to the scouting process.
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  Speaker 1: You're going over the MOCKX. You're looking at the draft boards.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying, Aha, I want cambus Or, I want aj
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  Speaker 2: De Bonsa, I want Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna go outlier. I want Caleb Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: In the hockey world, we're already a little bit less
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  Speaker 2: familiar with these prospects because they come from so many
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: different leagues, so many different places. Kind of harder to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: see them. Also, the gap between when you draft them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and when you see them on NHL ice is hugely,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: a lot more significant. But this is a Utah man
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: with franchise holding on to a first round pick.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: So we got to get on this bandwagon.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 9: Bill Armstrong's hold his scouts. He's like, hey, guys, save
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: this for you. We traded three second rounders for Mackenzie Wieger,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: but got the the first round pick for you. And
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  Speaker 9: oh see, if you want to look in the neighborhood,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Nick Schmaltz was taken twentieth overall. Kali Yamamoto is a
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  Speaker 9: first round pick. He was taking twenty second overall. Ian
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  Speaker 9: Cole was taking eighteenth overall. So this is you know,
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  Speaker 9: first round guys play in the NHL, and it comes
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: down to your scouting and identifying. And you know, Bill
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  Speaker 9: Armstrong's a scout at heart. Like if if he was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: going to pick a department of the you know, the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: Mammoth I Center to go hang with, it's it's gonna
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: be with with the scouts. He stopped coaching, he stopped
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: coaching in the minor leagues to take a part time
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: pro scouting job like the guy is is obsessed with it,
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  Speaker 9: and became a director of amateur scouting and assistant general
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  Speaker 9: manager over you know drafts for the Saint Louis Blues,
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  Speaker 9: where they took guys like Cage Thompson, you know, in
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  Speaker 9: the Neighborhood of nineteen, a guy that was talked about
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  Speaker 9: at the trade deadline last year, Robert Thomas, same thing.
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  Speaker 9: So you do get good players in the Neighborhood of nineteen,
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  Speaker 9: and we'll be waiting for it coming up. It's gonna
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: move a little faster this year. Last year the first
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  Speaker 9: round was like, oh man, it's like four hours here.
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  Speaker 9: So I think they want to expedite that this year
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  Speaker 9: and push it along so we won't have to wait
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  Speaker 9: as long as yet to nineteen. It's a Friday night,
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  Speaker 9: after all.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you think they're gonna go positionally.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, maybe that's the wrong way to ask
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  Speaker 2: the question, because you know a lot of times when
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you get down into that fifteen plus range, we're talking
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: about positional need rather than best player available. But that
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  Speaker 2: might not be the case in this year's draft. It
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: might not be the case with the Mammoth philosophy, but
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  Speaker 2: I guess it still stands. What is the most likely
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: outcome in terms of a positional pick.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, they always say best player available. I think the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: best player available is going to be a forward. You know,
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  Speaker 9: there's a couple of names to watch for that we've
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: been looking at. One of them is a kid named
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: Ilia Morosof who's still seventeen years old.
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  Speaker 1: Played his.
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  Speaker 9: Seventeen year old year at Miami of Ohio. He's a Russian,
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  Speaker 9: but he's a big kid, six foot three. Kind of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: falls into the profile of the big bodies that Bill
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  Speaker 9: Armstrong has drafted. There's another kid listened for the name
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  Speaker 9: Adam Novotni, who also fits the profile. Played last year
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: in the Ontario Hockey League where he led the Peterborough
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  Speaker 9: Peets in in scoring. But but he's checking in so
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: that you know that that's something more familiar with right
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  Speaker 9: with Corrella Milka and v Tech Fana check. But you know,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: just just kind of another big body, a big forward.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 9: But I think as you look at at players that
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  Speaker 9: are available where Utah is gonna be drafting nineteenth, it
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  Speaker 9: sounds like, you know, forwards is what it's what it's
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  Speaker 9: going to be on and NC. You know that's if
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  Speaker 9: they keep the pick. There's there's always the possibility that
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  Speaker 9: uh trader Bell could uh wheel and deal something for
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  Speaker 9: us on h draft night or even leading up to it.
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  Speaker 9: Remember this was the Wednesday last year, forty eight hours
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  Speaker 9: before the draft where the Mammoth got J. J. Patterca
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  Speaker 9: last year, so that that came in advance of the draft.
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  Speaker 9: So we'll see you've got it. The scouts are chopping
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  Speaker 9: up the bit to get their boys taken, and uh
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  Speaker 9: Bill Armstrong is is dangling it. It is something to
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  Speaker 9: to maybe get a player who can play now and
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  Speaker 9: and improve the roster going into next season.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is more likely trading trading the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: pick or keeping the pick and selecting someone.
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  Speaker 9: I think, just from a percentage standpoint, keeping the pick, right,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: because you know, the as you've seen that this this week,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 9: I see, and we've been talking about, you know, the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: free agency, you know Field that's it's gonna be there
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: on on July first. It's not especially deep. And you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: you've got a lot of teams trying to improve their
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: roster by taking big swings and making trades and and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: the Mammoth and Bill Armstrong have been willing to do that,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: but they're they're gonna step back when things, uh, things
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: get a little high. And and this might be, uh,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: this might be a week where you know, it's it's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: it's gonna take a little more to to get a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: deal done.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the most interesting ones is the.
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  Speaker 2: Edmonton Oilers, who are still I think one of the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: teams to beat in the West. They moved on from
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Na Block as their coach, and the higher they made
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: is not without controversy. Here I wanted your thoughts on
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know, they've decided to kind of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: skirt traditional reasoning in Edmonton and they bring in Babcock,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: they bring they bring in Mike Babcock, who was his
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: last head coaching position was in Columbus where he was
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: canned previous to the season for sort of bizarre relationships, behaviors, communications,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: insistence on things from his players. In the NHL had
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: to do a little investigation into that situation before they approved.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: His hire in Edmonton.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: You've got two of the best players in the NHL,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: maybe the best player in the NHL with time running
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: out in Edmonton, is this the right coach?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: It's their tenth coach in fourteen years. And this took
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 9: the NHL conducting an investigation from what you mentioned the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: bizarre behavior, however it happened booking, you know, wanting to inquire.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: I don't know what happened other than on Spin and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: Chicklets they said Mike Babcock was asking to look at
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: players pictures on their phones to learn more about them.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 9: And then other reports said there was that, and then
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: there were some other things, and in the end he
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: ends up being the shortest ten yeared head coach in
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: NHL history. That was four years after he got fired
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: by the Toronto Maple Leafs, and some stuff came out about,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: you know, how he handled Mitch Marner as a as
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: a young kid, and and you don't want to say bullying,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: but that's that's I think that the first word that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 9: comes to my mind. He's an he's an old school guy.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: He's he's got his way of doing business. If you
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: saw his press conference yesterday, there wasn't any kind of
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: remorse for you know, it's a different era. Now, maybe
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 9: we should do things a little differently there. There wasn't
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 9: wasn't wasn't really any of that. It was well, my
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  Speaker 9: wife told me that, h boy, this uh, let's get
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  Speaker 9: out of here. Let's go, let's go back to retirement.
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  Speaker 9: And then he kind of threw the staff under the bus.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: He's like, it was clear our staff wasn't in alignment.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: And let me ask you this because in other leagues, right,
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  Speaker 2: especially the NBA, and I know the NHL and the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: NBA are pretty far apart in terms of like player influence,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: but are we at it in ear of the NHL?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Now where if you're hiring somebody in Edmonton. You're going
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: to Connor McDavid and Leon dry Sidele and maybe a
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: couple of those guys, and you're saying, hey, we're thinking
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: about bringing in Mike Babcock, how do you feel about
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: this as the best player on this franchise? How do
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: you feel about this as the captain's here? How do
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: you feel about this? And then if that question even happens,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: are they able to veto If Lebron James you tell
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Lebron James you're hiring PJ Carlissimo or whatever, he's gonna
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: be like, No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone in the NHL.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the culture of the NHL even
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: allows those conversations.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: Can you imagine Lebron James and PJ Callisimo. Well that's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: the weirdest thing, oh see, is before any of this
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: even happened, they apparently set up a meeting with Mike
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  Speaker 9: Babcock and Connor McDavid and Leon dry So. I think
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: Ryan NuGen Hopkins, their longest tenured player, was there too,
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  Speaker 9: and they're like, yeah, we want this guy, this is
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  Speaker 9: what we need. We want to be held accountable, and
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  Speaker 9: it's like show me your phone, Like you just had
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  Speaker 9: the nicest guy in the world, Chris Knoblock as your
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  Speaker 9: head coach, and you you had the world Like, can
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  Speaker 9: you guys not handle yourselves? Like what why do you?
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  Speaker 9: Why do you?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 9: Is players that have been in the league for a decade?
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  Speaker 9: Do you need to bring in a sixty three year
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  Speaker 9: old man who hasn't gotten out of the first round
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  Speaker 9: of the playoffs since twenty thirteen and who may or
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: may not bully his players, who doesn't have a great
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  Speaker 9: reputation on the people and culture side of the building
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  Speaker 9: as we call hr these days. Interesting so like but like,
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  Speaker 9: you had a great man, you had a great person.
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  Speaker 1: Why why do you why? Why all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: you do you want to?
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  Speaker 1: Who? On earth?
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  Speaker 7: Though?
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  Speaker 9: See goes into the CEO and says, we need our
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  Speaker 9: boss to be a little harder on us. For me,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: it just goes back to everything that's that's transpired and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: Edmonson over you know, the last decade plus, which is
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: just okay, got it's you, not us.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: It has been an incredible week for the Kachuck family
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: and Keith Kachuk finds out he's going into the NHL
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Hall of fame, and Brady Kachuk traded to go play
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: in Florida with his brother Matthew. He has since said
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: the trade wasn't about joining Matthew necessarily, but he was
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: excited to go and be part of a Florida franchise
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: that after I'll call it a gap year, right because
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: they had those three incredible postseason runs back to back
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: to back. This year, some injuries and some fatigue potentially
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: kind of take you out of it. Now you get
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: the Kachuck brothers teaming up, you get all of what
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: you had for the moment part in Florida coming back.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, even without this move, I think they were
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: gonna be a serious factor in the East. And now
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: with this, how much does it changed their prospects?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's right back where they wanted to be. As
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: you said after that that quote unquote gap here, which
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: is a great way to to put it. Sam Bennett,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: Matthew Kachuck and Brady Kachuck on on a line together
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: talk about crash and burn, and you know, we saw
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: the guys, the ka Chuck's that you know at the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: Olympics and at the Four Nations and and no back
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  Speaker 9: if you're back together.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're doing that in international competition, that's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: usually a little friendlier. I cannot wait to see the
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  Speaker 2: chaos of these two on the same ice in the NHL.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: Can you wait until they play Tampa Bay.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome.
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  Speaker 9: Can we get that three times in the preseason like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: we usually do?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Do you like to move?
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  Speaker 9: I love it for Florida. I mean you're not gonna
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: not do it. Yeah, you had you had the capital,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: the three first rounders in the second round or that
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: they traded out, of course you're gonna make the deal.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: And and earlier in the day they they made another
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: trade that got him some more draft picks and you're like, okay,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: when are they gonna trade those? And didn't expect it
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: to be four hours later. It's it's always something, oh see.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: And you know, for a general manager, it's a tough
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: situation to be in when you have a guy like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: Quinn Hughes and a guy like Brady Kachuk and a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: guy like Dylan Larkin and Detroit that's like, I don't
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: want to be here, and it's it's as a GM,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: you got the responsibility to answer to ownership and answer
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: to your fans, Was this the best, best possible move
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 9: at the best possible time that that you could have made,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: And you've heard that after coming back from the Olympics,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 9: it was kind of a different ballgame for Brady Kachuk,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: who was the captain of Ottawa. In their locker room,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: kind of a different vibe, and he had two years
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: left on his deal and they felt like, I guess
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 9: with the noise that there was, you know, last two
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: months with him going on their their podcasts that him
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: and his brother do and some stuff was said and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 9: their dad was involved, and but oh see, I I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: look at these trades, I'm like, if you're gonna trade
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: your captain, Bradykchuk, if you're gonna trade the best d
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: man in the NHL, Quinn Hughes, it better be for
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: the best possible return you can get. I struggle with
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: three first rounders in a second round for your franchise players,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: saying you couldn't have done a little better than that.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: And I know he gave him the four team list
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: that he could be traded to because he had no
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: trade clause, and comes out Florida is the only team
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: he wanted to go to. But for Heaven's sakes, like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: you couldn't. You couldn't pull a player player in Florida,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: like I think Vancouver did, okay, and the Quinn Hughes
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 9: deal and and Steve I are into Detroit with Dylan Larkin,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: same thing, wanting to be traded. It's it's gonna be
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: a little tougher like he's. I just the power of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: negotiation and the time that you have. I just feel
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: like in a lot of these situations that it's rushed
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: and it's ran through just to get it, just to
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: get it over with. When you can look at Detroit
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: just kind of sitting back and I think they will
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: get the best return of anybody that makes a trade
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: of a team USA Olympian doesn't want to play in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 9: Canada and has had enough of being in Detroit.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Last thing before I let you go. The NHL exploring
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: expansion again Austin and Houston. Apparently the target markets for
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: it more the merrier.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you're gonna divide up if someone's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: got to move right from west to east or east
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: to west.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: So I'd give you thirty three teams, so you're putting one.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: I mean, so maybe one or the other seventeen and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: then maybe maybe Atlanta is ready to go by then,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: Carrie Bettman saying yesterday, Atlanta and Arizona, we're not quite
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: as far along in the process as Houston and Austin.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: And maybe by the time you get to the point
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: that you're ready to add that, maybe they are. So
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: that brings you to thirty four, which would be the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: most of any major pro league.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Austin is kind of a growing metropolis, cool town Houston.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I don't see hockey working in Houston. I know that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: people probably didn't see hockey working in Salt Lake. But
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Houston's got a lot of options already.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 9: I like how they're pitting the two cities against each
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: other with the same ownership group, But have we ever
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: seen that before? Like somebody's feelings, you're going to be
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: hurt here, especially if it's Houston who's been kind of,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: you know, the next expansion team for the last five years.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: As and Austin comes down of nowhere. Gary Beman said,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: you know, we were talking about Houston and then we
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 9: we started talking about Austin. So you know, they've got MLS,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: they've got the University of Texas. It's it's booming, like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: all of Texas I think is booming as far as
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: population growth. But yeah, a lot of transplants in Austin,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: probably more so than Houston. But it'll be interesting to
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: see how they come up with this. But pitting the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: two markets together with the same owners not something we've
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: seen before.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I think Austin it makes more sense because, like you said, transplants,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of new people in Austin. There's a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: lot of development in Austin, and when you're asking for
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: a new franchise, a totally expansion franchise, right, it's a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: lot easier if you're also new, right to jump on
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: that bandwagon together.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: So I like it.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: I've been at Minute Made part and ron Field whatever
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: their naming rights partner is today. I can't tell you
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 9: off the top of my head, but I was there
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: man several times when the Astros were rebuilding two thousand
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: and nine through twenty ten. There wasn't wasn't a lot
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 9: of people there, and I remember, you know, when the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: rockets have struggled, you know, remember back at the old
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: summit with the red and yellow seats and the jazz
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: had go in there, and if the rockets weren't you know,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: cranking with with Kenny Smith and keep the dream like
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: there was a lot of a lot of red and
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: yellow showing kind of reminds you of Atlanta honestly as
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 9: we talk it out, but those are those are kind
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 9: of my memories of the team in Houston. Isn't quite
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: you know, laying.
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  Speaker 1: It down, that's between the pipes, Adrian Danny.
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  Speaker 2: Heating and cooling. Rob from Valley is here in studio
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: with us. We'll get to some sports stories with them.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Now is the tis the season for not necessarily heating,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: but man cooling.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm dealing with it in my house. I know that. O.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: There are listeners out here this heat wave. You know,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: you got the smoke holding in all this hot air.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: And by the way, your filters are clogging up like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: crazy when you're pumping this dirty air into your house.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: So lots to talk about on the cooling front, Rob,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: How are you.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: I'm doing fantastic. How you doing all right?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: Good?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy right now, isn't it with all the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: stuff in the air and hot and muggy.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's odd. And I was telling you this during
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: the break. My you know, we got a regular home,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: regular air conditioner.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: It's always done a good job.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of windows in the house, so
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: you know, in the hottest of hot days you got
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: to make sure all the blinds are down and things
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: like that so your air.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Conditioner can keep up.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: And my wife and I were talking and we're noticing
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: like either the air conditioner's not working quite as efficiently
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: as it was last year. But like we're running it
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: all day and you said it at whatever seventy two
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: in the house and you look at it, it's like, oh,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: can't keep up, or it's seventy four where it's seventy five,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I wonder why this is happening. I
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: clean the filter, I make sure the vents are open,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, you're the expert it.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: You know, it happens, and a lot of things can happen. Obviously,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: the filter is the number one thing. Make sure that
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: filter's in good shape. There is different ratings of filters,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: so make sure that you're keeping with the same kind
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: and make sure that's clean. But regardless of the filter,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: your system can get dirty even through the filter, even
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: with replacing it. That's why we do the cleanings every year.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: You know, we go out twice a year and make
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: sure everything's clean. You know, if that fan that's pushing
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: all that cold air, if it's building up with a
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: lot of dust and grime and stuff like that that's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: all over your house, it's pumping harder and harder and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: harder and pushing less and less air. So that's one
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: of the reasons why it's so important to check that.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: You know, while we're checking it and while we're cleaning it,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: we're checking refrigerant levels things like that, because if your
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: refrigerant level is low, you're not gonna cool as well
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: as you should.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: Plus you've got those big noisy things outside of your house,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: those compressors, they can get clogged up with. You know,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: those those cotton stuff that's flying all around. It's just
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: like your radiator for your car, or if that thing
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: is completely caked with mud, it's not gonna cool it
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: down like it should.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: So might be time for me to get the truck
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: with the duck out to my house and just check
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: on these things, because heaven knows, I'm not going to
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: figure it out myself. But that's why Valley's so great,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: because if you've got a plumbing issue, if you've got
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: an event or drain cleaning issue, they can kind of
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: handle it all. And more stuff coming from the truck
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: with the duck. I wanted to ask you the Jazz
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: drafted number two last night. They get the guy from Kansas,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson. We all wondered if it was gonna be
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: aj debonca if Washington would pass on him, no, cam
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: booz are sitting there available.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: But everyone thought he was maybe number three. But I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: don't know that.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: The Darren Peterson thing felt like a coin fliped for
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: a while. The more people we talked to was like, Okay,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: this is what's gonna happen, and I think it's gonna
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: be a good outcome for the Jazz.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: But as a fan, what do you think?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just hoping they win, you know, I'm hoping that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: final they try to win. Yeah, I mean because it
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: has been well known. I mean we heard it before
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: the season even started last year that was like, hey,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: this isn't going to be a good year, right, you know,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, let's hope that this year is
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: finally the year that they're going to play their players,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: that they're going to actually make a go at it.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: I really hope.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: So that's what that's what we expect.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: If we've talked about this before, as a business owner,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: if you don't put your best foot forward, yeah nobody's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: calling you anymore.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: We're we're suckers for our sports.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Because even though we knew that the Utah Jazz weren't
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: going to be trying. People still buying their tickets, they're
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: renewing the season tickets, they're showing up, they're buying the gear,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. My hope is, like yours, that
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: they turn it back on.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: And I mean, we don't get that privilege of saying, hey, guys,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: let's just be really bad this year, really so bad
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: that everybody comes to us, all the best players and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: then all the best plumbers and h fat guys, and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: we're going.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: To be better.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: Obviously, if we suck, we're going to be out of business. Yeah,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: it'd be nice, but I hope, I hope it was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: worth it.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Well, how's the summer going, because it is it has
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: been a really interesting year already, with you know, kind
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: of staying cool and then get hot real fast.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: I imagine phones ringing off the hook.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're seeing it where it cools down. Everybody
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: is relaxed and it's like, oh, it's great. It's seventy
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: degrees and you know, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: the very next day, it's eighty five and everybody's calling everywhere,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: you know, and it's not every company out there is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: just book solid because everybody all of a sudden realized.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: So on those on those slow days, on those seventy
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: degree days, that's you know, that's when you should be
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: calling in because there's plenty of availability. There's plenty of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: you know, room for us to be able to get
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: out there get things fixed. So when it does get
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: eighty five ninety degrees, you're not freaking out because.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: It's so hot.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Get on the phone on an easy day, on a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: cool day, make sure your system is working.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I need to do. That's what you need
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: And if you if you handle the maintenance right, the
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: daily checkups or the monthly or the yearly twice a year, whatever,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: that's gonna save you on the cost of replacing in
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: the whole system later.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: Plus, you know, if we notice that your system is
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: so far gone during those during those times what we
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: call shoulder seasons, we're able to give you some options
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: then and say, hey, look this is probably going to
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: give you a year, maybe two years. It's something to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: start considering. You can work on that now and not
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: when it's worst case scenario.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: The truck with the duck, you see them driving around valley, plumbing,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: heating and cooling. You can go to Valley Plumbing dot com.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: You don't even have to get on the phone. You
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: could make an appointment right there. The chat feature is
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: really great. It's incredibly efficient and they'll get out there
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: as soon as they can.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: They'll do the work quickly.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: They'll give you a no frills, no craziness, no hidden
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: cost type quote.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: They'll get it done.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Get in, get out, and you can go about your
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: business doing the things that you actually know how to do.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Because man plumbing especially is one of those things we
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: all wish we could diy, but then you start messing
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: around with it. Next thing, you know, wall damage, you flooded,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: you got to pull up the carpet, all that kind
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: of stuff, and five trips to.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Low's or home depot or you know, and you're all
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: of a sudden you're spending thousands of dollars on something
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: that could have been fixed real quick just by giving
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: us a call.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: What's the number for people to get a hold of you.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: You can always call us at eight zero one three
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: four one four two two two or go online at
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: www dot Valley Plumbing HVAC dot com.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: That's rob the brains behind the operation. And by the way,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: when I say brains behind the operation. Plumber by Trade
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: advances and expands the business to hvac and instead of
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: just letting the hvac guys handle it, he's like, I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: need to know all of these systems inside out.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: You're going back to school.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: You know. It's sad because we made a strong stance
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: within our company that if you work for us, because
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: you have to be licensed, everybody goes to school that's
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: working for us, that's doing these trades, whether it's plumbing
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: or hvac, they will be going to school to get
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: their license. If not, they're not working for us.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: So we take it very seriously.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: I've had many conversations with many guys that hey, you've
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: got to do this. And it's funny because now I'm
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: the one having that conversation with myself, going, well, I
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: guess I'm gonna have to do this, and I'll be honest,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: I'm not very disciplined when it comes to going to school.
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  Speaker 1: More stories in the Daily Dump, including one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the most ridiculous criticisms from a reporter ever, this
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  Speaker 2: one on World Cup soccer. It's a Sean O'Connell show
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN seven ninety FM.
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  Speaker 3: You are listening to a Sean O'Connell's show. It's your
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  Speaker 3: one half m Where You Got Me?
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  Speaker 1: Thursday, a continuation of the Daily Dump here some.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: An assortment of sports stories, including one that will affect
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz, who drafted Darren Peterson number two overall
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: last night, adding him to a roster that we think
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: will still include Walker Kessler, who's in a bit of
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: a contract dispute with the team right now, Jared Jackson Junior, obviously, Lowry,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: markinen Keyante George the supporting cast that surround those guys.
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  Speaker 2: You start to look at it, you start to project
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: could be a formidable starting lineup and maybe top six
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: top seven for the Utah Jazz. Well, the Los Angeles
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Lakers had some business to attend to themselves. Shampsterania and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: several other outlets reporting that Austin Reeves, who has emerged
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: as a star for the Lakers, will sign a four year,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five million dollar max contract to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: return to the franchise. It's got a player option on
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: the final season, which is twenty twenty nine to twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: He had declined his player option, which was at fifteen million,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: fourteen point nine million dollars to make this new deal happen.
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  Speaker 2: So uh big for Austin Reeves. Obviously, I'm not a
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: math whiz, but four years one eighty five is better
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: than fifteen million a year. Yeah, the old deal or
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: no deal? HOWI mendel you made a good deal. Yeah,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: he uh that that obviously works out great for him.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: And I think what you might be alluding to, maybe
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: this means maybe this takes the Lakers out of the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: running to give Walker Kessler a bigger offer sheet than
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: what the Jazz are willing to offer, which right now,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: according to Tim McMahon said it on Spence's show, then
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: wrote about it on on ESPN dot com five years
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: one forty Lakers seemed like the obvious, an obvious fit, like, hey, yeah,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: we'll throw some money at Walker Kesler.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe they won't be able to now.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: I none of this happens in a vacuum. Austin Reeves
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: was maybe gonna get some interest from places like Detroit,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: sounds like, and so the Lakers. He was gonna get
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: this money or this probably a max contract. He was
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: gonna get this well back from somewhere from somewhere else
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: for sure if the Lakers didn't give it to him.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, right, it seems
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: like this huge inflated salary, but it's the market price.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: This is what you have to pay in order to
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: retain players of this ilk and this caliber in today's NBA,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: and the salary cap adjusts accordingly. Driving in this morning,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I was listening to, you know, the the Giannis fallout
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: with him potentially going to Boston. He ends up in Miami. Right,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown was the player that Boston had allegedly made available.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: That's out there.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown has to read the headlines, has to hear
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: the stories as to hear everyone talking about how the
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Boston trade unsuccessful. It was gonna be Jalen Brown and
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people. That doesn't make you feel as
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: good about yourself. Right when your team was gonna move on,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: now they're not. You got this like, I know you
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: tried to break up with me, girlfriend, but we're gonna
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: stay together anyway.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of a situation.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: We're still great, We're still doing great, We're still cool.
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  Speaker 2: You still like me, I still like you. I are
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: one of the options for Boston and this feels like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: not an option. They can offer him an extension for
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: two years and one hundred and forty million dollars seventy
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: million a year, seventy million dollars a year for Jalen Brown,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know who I get, probably Victor wemen Yama, obviously,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: the MVP Shake, Gildess, Alexander.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: The list of people that.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Are worthy Luca, that are worth that much of your
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: salary cap that high a percentage of your salary cap
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: is prohibitively small in any sport, and even in the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: NBA where it is all very star driven and individual
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: player driven, seventy million dollars per year is a.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Massive chunk of what you can pay.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Also, so they've got that between him and and Tatum
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: that I think would make it about one hundred and
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: thirty million of the total.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Cap and per season basically per season.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's we and we mentioned Spence is mentioned on
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: his show how it seems like the Jazz have a
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: lot a lot of money tied up in their cap.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Then then is best for them to be able to
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: build a roster around the starting five that they've that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: they've put together with Darren Peterson coming in. Because Lowry
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Markinen and Trey j Jaron Jackson Junior have a combined
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: about over ninety million, We're like, yeah, that's prohibitably huge Now,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: how about add forty more million and that's where that's
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: where the Celtics are if they offer Jalen Brown this
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: extension that I mean, it's just bonkers the kind of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: money that stars are getting and these not these are
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: not This is Jalen Brown getting this kind of money.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: This isn't a guy who is considered obviously the best
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: player in the league. Jalen Brown's like a tear below
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: that and he's he can be offered that. It's insane,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: this one, this next story. This is truly crazy to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: me that we're still doing stuff like this in twenty
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: twenty six. I don't know if you heard about the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: possibility James, that Belgium could lose one of their guys.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: He might have to Jeremy Doku, who could miss potentially
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: a World Cup game for Belgium to attend a family matter. Now,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: if this was even like a funeral, which are very
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: very important, versus a World Cup game, I'd be like, oh.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Man, that's a tough decision to weigh.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: If it's your mom's birthday, sorry mom, this is a
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: World Cup game. If it's your wife's birthday, sorry honey,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: this is a World Cup game. If it's the actual
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: birthday of one of your children, you better not be
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: going to that World Cup game. Jeremy Doku has made
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: it known that he might have to depending on you know, labor,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: I might have to go home to try to be
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: there for the birth of my child. And one particular
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: French broadcaster I'm someone I had never been aware of
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: until today. Basically her name is Franz Pierroon that he
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: plays for Man City in his professional career, so he's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: a well known guy. He's a winger for Belgium. And
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: she dragged him say like, what are you talking about?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: You can't leave to go be there for the birth
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  Speaker 2: of your child. There are hundreds of this is the quote,
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  Speaker 2: there are hundreds of footballers who would killed to be
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: in your shoes. It might not ever happen again in
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: your life. Well that's correct, but guess what definitely will
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: never happen again. Your opportunity to see that child being born.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
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  Speaker 2: And you always think, well, the kid's not gonna he's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: not gonna know he or she's not gonna know that
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  Speaker 2: I missed their birth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, it's not about the kid, but also.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: It might it might get out at some point that
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: you that you that something else was bigger than than
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: them coming into existence, and that you know that might
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: make them feel a certain way later.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: But it's also about your your partner in that case,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: well it's to me.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: It's certainly about supporting your wife, your spouse, your partner.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: It's also about the miracle that is childbirth. It is
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: about being like, this is not a religious show. This
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: is a sports show. If you can go through that
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: experience and not feel that God is there, you and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I are not on the same plane, like, it is
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: truly a miraculous experience. And for this, by the way,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: this is I don't know that it matters, but for
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: a female reporter to use this against the player, after
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: how many times do we criticize professional athletes for being
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: deadbeat dads, for being non supportive partners, for being bad husbands, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: And when this guy's trying to do the right thing
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: by his family, she's like, no, you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: You're at the World Cup. I understand.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: The World Cup is quite literally the biggest and most
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: important sporting event that can happen for any of these
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: individual nations, most of them, for any of these individual
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: careers in probably including his. It's the highlight of professional life.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: The birth of your child will always be more important
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: than anything that can happen in professional life.
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  Speaker 1: It should be. And that's where I was going with Like.
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  Speaker 2: Your family, including that child, they at least in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: need to know that nothing else is gonna get in
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: the way, including and including an incredible opportunity like it
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: is to play in the World Cup. Like there's there's
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: nothing nowhere else I'd rather be except to be at
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: your at at your birth and and for your partner,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: your spouse, wife, whatever, to be at your side as
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: as our child is coming into the world. Like that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: that should trump everything You're you're living out a childhood dream.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: You're going to walk away from it all to attend
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: the birth of your child. And this is the craziest
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: part of the quote, a disgusting moment, if you'll pardon
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: the expression where the dad is completely useless. Now, look
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing. Unfortunately that's true. We are pretty useless. Okay,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: the dad's pretty useless. You can squeeze my hand really
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: hard when it hurts, like, yeah, that's about it. Pretty useless,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Like you cannot you cannot try to steal any credit
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: from the person who's actually giving birth, from the woman
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: who is actually birthing the child, your presence there, she
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: probably will be fine without it. Many mothers have a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: given birth right. There are plenty of people who don't
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: have a choice to be there for the birth of
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: their children, through military service, through incarceration, through whatever. If
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: you have a choice, and as a professional soccer player,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: a World Cup soccer player, you do have a choice,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: the correct choice in every single case, every single instance,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: is to be there for the birth of your child.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: A World Cup game is way way, way way up
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: there on the list of significant things that you will
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: miss almost anything else for. But this is one of
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: those things that if you have an opportunity to be there,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: you have to be there there if it's not, if
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: it's within your control, if you have a choice, the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: correct choice is always to attend the birth of your
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: child and always witness the birth of your child.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: And it's absolutely insane to me.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: This woman was just like, I can't believe he wants
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: to go see the birth of his child. Now it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: does read very much. I have no idea. She's forty
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: four years old. This France Pierant. I have no idea
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: if she has children or not, but it very much
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: reads like the opinion of someone who doesn't, and it
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: could just be an ignorance. Is bliss kind of situation
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: for her, and it it's at the very least, it's
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: very unexpected to hear from a female from a from
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: a woman's perspective. We expect women, whatever their whatever their
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: personal situation is, children are not or or whatever to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: be on the opposite end of this. You got, but
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: there you go. It's just a wild thing. I did
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: not expect to see today, this professional athlete, this world
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: level footballer, this soccer king for Belgium is like, the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: only thing more important than a World Cup game for
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: me is my family. I'm gonna go home if I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: have to, and I'm gonna see the birth of my child.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: And for someone to criticize that is crazy. It also
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: brings to mind there's a there's a great video that
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: went viral of a coach who was asked by a
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: reporter about the exact same scenario about somebody missing a
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: playoff game in order to attend the birth of a child,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: and the coach uses that as an opportunity to talk
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: about exactly what we're talking about. Like basically lectures the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: young reporter like you don't have kids yet. Someday you'll understand.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: His words are there's nothing more majestic than the birth
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: of a child. And he's absolutely right. The official stance
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: of the Sean O'Connell Show is that Jeremy Doku for Belgium,
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  Speaker 2: go see your kid be born. Making the right decision,
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  Speaker 2: to three three nine eight six. Our three begins with
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  Speaker 2: Pablo Mastruendi, headman at RSL, stops by to discuss what's
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  Speaker 2: coming for the Clareton Cobalt and of course the biggest
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  Speaker 2: tournament in the world. It's the Shan O'Connell Show, ESPN
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  Speaker 3: You tune to the Shan o'connells Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Switzerland, Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Underway here in group play in this North American World Cup,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Team USA already threw to the knockout rounds. Still a
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: big game tomorrow night. Looking forward to that one. We'll
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: be talking about it right now, we'll be talking about
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: it tomorrow. We are fully caught up in the wave
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: of World Cup hype here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: and we're lucky enough to welcome head coach of RSL,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: former US men's national team member Pablo Mastuhinni for a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: few minutes.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Pablo, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 7: Thanks? I appreciate it. Yeah, doing great.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I know that you've probably answered these questions a bunch.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: With the North American World Cup in American soil hosting
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: this year's tournament, and so far it has been really
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: incredible to watch. But as a man who was, you know,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: part of the development years of Major League Soccer, of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: the game of football here in the United States, seeing
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: this kind of you know, global stage world tournament, the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: international fans reacting to our stadiums and seeing what the
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: culture is like really up close and personal, is there
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: a certain level of gratification to being part of those
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: foundational years and seeing how far the sport has come.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's it's it's been pretty awesome. You know.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, I've seen a bunch of World
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: Cups played in a couple and there's been no better
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: show than what I've seen in twenty twenty six. This
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: World Cup has been lights out. The way the guys
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 7: are playing some of the best US soccer football that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: I've ever seen played, the support of the fans, and
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: also the I think the hospitality of Americans across the
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: country with all these fans from different places and you know,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: them bringing their cultures over and just really just sharing
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: in this in this wonderful sport. That just bringing everyone
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: together and on top of that, putting on a spectacle
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: you know, every game is super exciting, the way it's presented,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: the coverage, you know, having guys like Slots on and
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  Speaker 7: Tier around re headlining the you know, the show. So
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: it's been it's been awesome. I can't wait, you know,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: for practice Dan to get back on the couch and
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 7: just watch the whole slew of games into the night
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: and then wake up the next day and do it
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: all over again. So just really proud of how far
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  Speaker 7: it's coming. And you'd like to hope that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: that we can really gain some momentum as far as
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: soccer is concerned in this country off the tail winds
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: of such a wonderful World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: When you're watching, how much are you able to watch
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: as a soccer fan and maybe even as a former player,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: and how much of your your coaching and your tactical
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: mind comes in and you start taking notes and evaluating
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: and hey, maybe that's something we could try, I like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: to set up on that set piece, et cetera. How
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  Speaker 2: much you're able to just enjoy as a fan versus
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: the business kicking in.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting because now my brain
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: has been so much towards coaching, you know, as a player.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: I always watch for excitement, you know, and watch play
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: is in my position, so I can learn a little bit,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: but more so for the excitement of the game. And
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: now I just find myself every morning coming in with
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: the coaching staff and going you got to see the
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: game last night, you know that three one bill that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: we were talking about. Let me show you exactly what
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: like they're doing it in real time. This is exactly
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 7: what we're talking about. So it's a little bit of both,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 7: you know. I think, you know, watching watching the quality
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: of play on the field is is phenomenal. And you know,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of teams that you know that that
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: that you know, snuck into the World Cup that are
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: playing a bit of a low block, which isn't something
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: that that we like to do. But then how do
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: you break down that low block? And then I'll put
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 7: my attention on the team that's trying to break them
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: down because that's something that we find ourselves struggling with
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 7: quite often. So I think it's a little bit of both,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 7: but I'd say more geared towards the tactical application with
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: with every game. And then given that all these different countries,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: you know, have a lot of their their the fabric
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: of the culture and the way they play is really
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: really interesting as well. You know, the Dutch play a
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 7: certain way, the Spanish play a certain way. You know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: Congo plays a certain way, Argentina plays a certain way,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: and a lot of that reflects the respective cultures, which
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: is really interesting. But yeah, it's been it's been a
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 7: lot of fun.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating in every sport, but it's been really interesting
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: to see in this particular tournament, how the best players
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: in the world, the biggest stars in the world, the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: best names, how much they have shown up. I mean,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Holland's scoring goals. Messi's already got five in this World Cup.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo with kind of a slow, quiet game in
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: their first outing and ended up with a brace in
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: the second appearance. In your mind, as someone who's been
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: here at the highest level, what is it that separates
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: those those stars, those big guys that you know can
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: perform this way on the world's biggest stage, versus the
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: ones who just maybe even if they're almost as fast,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: just as intelligent, they just can't seem to put it
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: together even on this stage.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think that's what
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: makes these players great, you know. And Boppy's another guy
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: that's you know, and it's been really interesting because there's
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: players also that really turn it up with the national team,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 7: you know. And Bopa had kind of a up and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: down year with you know, with Real Madrid, but then
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: he comes out with France and he just feels comfortable
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 7: in and around those guys and with you know, probably
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 7: the coach, coach and the culture as well. So I
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: just think that both for club and country, these guys
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: are the best players in the world because they can
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: do those things right and there's no amount of pressure
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: that gets to them. You know, Messi missed the PK
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: and in their last game, but then came back and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: scored two wonderful goals. And I think that's that's the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: difference between the mindset of of you know, great players
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: versus just good players, is that the belief in themselves
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: is so huge to where they can start off slow.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 7: And Christiano Ronaldo the first game was quiet, but then
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: he quiets his critics by coming back and scoring two
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 7: in the following game. And so these guys operate emotionally
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: and intellectually on a level that is very hard to achieve.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: But I believe it's with all these guys, they have
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: a certain level of self confidence that would be that
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 7: is almost like we consider people crazy to think like
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: this in a real world, whereas in sport it's necessary
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: to have that type of belief because there's gonna be
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: games that aren't going to be good, but your expectations
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: for you are that you're going to come back and
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: play to your level, and that's what these guys have
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: been doing.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've maybe already talked about him in killing
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: and Bape, like, you know he's got well, he's two
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: goals short of the record that is currently held by
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Leo Messi, but coming into the tournament, Messi was a
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: goal behind Miroslav Close And so you see all these
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: things happen, and Ronaldo's playing in his last World Cup.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident we can say that Messi is playing
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: in his last World Cup. I think we can say
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: that is Killian Embape showing us already that he is
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: the next of those individuals. He's the guy that we're
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: going to be talking about four years from now, eight
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: years from now, the way that we talk about Messi today,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: I think so I think what you know.
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  Speaker 7: And what he has is is an elite finishing of
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: the but really his his one v one is elite
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: and his speed is elite. And I think as long
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: as he continues to have those those those aspects of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: his game, you know, and he's and he started at
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: a real young age, you know, showing these tendencies and
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: scoring these goals, and so the fact that he's only
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: one or two behind Messi at the moment, there's no
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: doubt that he'll he'll h at the end of all
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 7: this be be the champ and and and that's what
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: makes him such an incredible athlete soccer player is that,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: you know it, he just continues to defy, you know,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: his the naysayers that you know, he's this and he's that.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: But when he gets when push comes to shove, he's
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 7: the ones showing up and putting France on their back,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: as he did in the last World Cup in twenty
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: twenty two, where you know, I think he had a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: hat trick in the final game and they still lost.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: So this guy's scoring goals in the most you know, tense,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: pressure laden moments and still coming up trump. So I
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: think he will be the ultimate goal scoring.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: Champ focusing on the US men's national team. Put yourself
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: in poshatino shoes. You've got a big one against Turkey
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: a tomorrow. Turkey is out. A lot of people thought
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: they might win. The group hasn't gone the way that
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: they thought it would. Obviously, the US men's national team
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: their future is secure, at least into the knockout round.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: I still think games like this are important because of momentum,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: because of tone setting.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: It is a North American Cup.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: You can have a bunch of fans of your team
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: right there in the stadium expecting to see the best
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: foot forward. How do you handle it coaching a game
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: like this knowing what's at stake in you know, the
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: next couple of weeks, and knowing what this this fan base,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: and what your your roster still expects from this game
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: against Turkey.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the first thing is is obviously the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: yellow card threat, is making sure that you don't have
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: anyone that carries a yellow card over. I know they
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: wipe out after the first round, but I believe if
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: you get two in the first three games, then you
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: have to sit out one. So knowing that I'd make
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: sure that I'm not putting the group in any kind
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: of to where we lose a player. From that perspective,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: the other part is, like you said, I think you
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: want continuity, but at the same time, you want to
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: make sure that you give players that you think are
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: maybe twelve, thirteen, fourteen, maybe fifteen a good run just
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: in case something. If something happens in the later stages,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: those guys have already been able to get up to
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: speed and feel what the game looks like for you know,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: sixty seventy minutes in that regard. So those are kind
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: of the two things I'd be looking to do, and
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 7: just making sure that what we don't want to do
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 7: is drop momentum, drop belief, because again, if you risk
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 7: too much and you change a lot of players here,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: now you have doubt going into the next knockout game,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: which is something you don't want. So a lot of
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: what happens in these tournaments is predicated upon a confidence
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: and belief when you get out of the group stage, right,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 7: and so you want to make sure you're going into
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: the next round full of confidence, full of belief. And
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: from what I've seen from the first couple of games,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: these guys are flying on all cylinders and more importantly,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 7: the fan base is and the best I've ever seen,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: you know, and I think there's been some comments in
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: the past where you know, we're not selling out the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: national team games when they're at home. I think those
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: days are behind us now that that that everyone's felt
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: what it is at you know, at Sofi Stadium, packed
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 7: house opener against Paraguay and any emotions that I even
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: felt on the couch watching the game as a fan
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: was phenomenal. So but I think those two things would
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: be highly important, you know, to make sure that we
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: don't put jeopardize yourself by losing a player. But more importantly,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 7: we don't lose that that momentum that we've built in
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 7: the previous you know, two three games.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: How do you handle the pulistic question because you know,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: you put in all this work to get himself ready,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: still wasn't able to go in the last one. If
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: he's healthy now, he's probably not one hundred percent healthy,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: so you can give him more rest and you're still
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: going through to the group stage. Maybe he wants to
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: run a little bit. How do you handle that?
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a big part of it. It's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: got to be a player driven, right because I think
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 7: he needs to feel good about what he's doing. Obviously,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: he's got to pass all the medical tests and the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 7: and the physical performance exams that they do with these
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: players that have been injured make sure that they're not
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: going to put themselves at risk. But the other part
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: too is like to make sure that they they're the
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: player is also owning it. So if he's clear from
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: that perspective and feels like he's good to go, you know,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: maybe maybe it's coming in the last thirty minutes of
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: the game where you know, the game slowed down a
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: little bit. He's got fresh legs because he hasn't played
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: in a bit. He's feeling good. But it really breeds
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: that bit of confidence, and maybe he scores a goal
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 7: because the back line is the opponent's back line is
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: a little bit tired of lethargic. He comes in with
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: his pace and his ability, knocks a goal in and
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: now we forget that he you know, he's missed the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: last game. So I think that's it's it's going to
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: take a team effort. But I also think that the
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: player's inputs really important these type of situations.
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  Speaker 2: RSL squad coach, How have your guys handled the international break?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: I know that there were, you know, a couple of
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: guys at least that wanted to be participating. You've already
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: answered this question, I know, but I mean Diego Luna
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: I thought was a shoe in for this roster and
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: we were all disappointed for him that he didn't get
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to do it.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: So we'll start there. How has he handled the snub?
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: And of course, you know, the break and getting back
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: to form maybe after a little rest.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So you know, I think first, I think the
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: guys when you give them three weeks off, you never
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: know what to expect because you obviously want them to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: take time away. But given that the break is in
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 7: the middle of the season. We've done a lot of
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 7: good work in preseason and the first you know, the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 7: first third of the season to make sure that we're
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: in a good position. And now the expectation is that
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: the guys keep some sort of fitness so that we're
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: not starting from zero. And so we did our fitness
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: test and everyone passed with flying colors, which for me
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: was a sign of a great group that understand understands
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: how good of a team that we have and the
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: momentum that we need to keep in order to be
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: able to achieve our goals for the year. So that
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: that part was really encouraging. And then as far as Diego,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: you know, I think everyone was kind of blindsided. Diego
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: himself myself, you know, and and given the amount of
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 7: you know, advertising and marketing that he was doing for
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 7: the national team, all lent itself to the understanding that
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: he was going to take part. And not only that,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: it's the fact that he was one of the most
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: cap players in twenty twenty five and the team really
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: leaned on him, especially in the Gold Cup where he
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 7: had such a fantastic run and was an integral part
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: of that group. I just felt like, you know, that's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: a great that's a great place to kind of assess
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: a player is in a tournament setting, you know, and
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: I think he did. He did so well in all
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: the games that he played. He showed his leadership, he
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 7: showed his quality, his grit, all things that I think
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: you need in a tournament to make a deep run.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: So but you know, the life happens, and and and
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: now it's how you react to it. And Diego has
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 7: been awesome. You know, we've we've trained now for a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: little over a week, and he's been so sharp, he's
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: been so hungry. You can see how this moment has
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: actually motivated him. And that was also a concern. You know,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 7: he's a young he's still a young man. That's that's
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: learning the game and trying to figure things out. And
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: when you have such a big letdown, you never know
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: how it's going to go. But I think it's a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 7: bit synonymous to being left off the Olympic team, where
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: he went off and scored, you know, in the next
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 7: you know, five or six games and and really made
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 7: a statement. And so the expectation for me and obviously
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: for Diego Luna, given what I've seen, is that he
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: wants to make a statement not showing that he's he's
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: capable of playing at this level and he's driven to
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 7: make sure that he gets to the next one.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: What do you need to see from your squad after
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: the break that maybe you didn't see enough of before?
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm. I think the biggest thing for me is one.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: You know, some of the goals that we've given up
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 7: this year have been on set pieces, and it's really
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 7: a difficult It's difficult to really train the moment of
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: a set piece in a game, right, So we do
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 7: it in training and you know, if something happens, it's
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 7: not a big deal. It's training. And so how do
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: we mimic what that game feels like? And so we
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: started off the second part of our our second preseason
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: here showing the goals that we conceded and saying, guys,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 7: we're not giving up a lot of chances, but the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: ones we are are are very fixable, right, And so
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 7: that's been a big focus for us defensive set pieces,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: and we've we've changed our structure a little bit to
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: help the guys and feel a little bit more comfortable
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: in what we're doing. So again, a collaborative team effort.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 7: The players coaches and and every and really coming together
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: and saying these are things that we can do better.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: So that part is big. And then the other part
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: is managing games, especially with the lead, where we've done
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: a decent job, but I think we can do a
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 7: better job of creating more control with the ball as
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: opposed to letting teams kind of dictate the game towards
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 7: us when we have a lead. You know, and obviously
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: the natural inclination is to blot and protect your goal,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: but oftentimes when you spend a lot of time doing that,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 7: you involve the referees and there's fouls and then around
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: your box and now you're defending a ton more set pieces,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: which has been an acute heal for us. So managing
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 7: the game with the ball and understanding how to play
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: for territory with the lead along with the set pieces,
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  Speaker 7: I think we'll put us in a good position moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: Coach, forgive a dumb question from a guy who's soccer
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  Speaker 2: peak was reached at age six and a half, But
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's something that a game I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: still need to learn a lot about. When we talk
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: about formational changes, when we talk of about you know,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: a tactical adjustment, even the guys that maybe their club
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: plays a certain formation and then they go to compete
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: for their national team and it's a totally different deal.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: How easy is it? How difficult is it?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Does everyone adjust the things the same way? If we're
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: trying to draw an equivalent with basketball or football.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: Or something that we might be more familiar with.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: Is it just like, all right, well, it's a different
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: part of the playbook, and yeah, you got to practice
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: it a few times, but eventually you get it down.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Or are there some guys that are just suited to
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: play in certain formations, et cetera. Because I truly have
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: no frame of reference for the how heavy the lift
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: is when you're making those level of adjustments.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: That is actually a great question, and I think it
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 7: just varies, you know. I you know, I think what
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: I think most international teams do is they look at
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 7: this is the way we want to play as the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: national team, and so they're going to be biased towards
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: the players that are playing in those type of systems
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 7: that are doing exactly what they don't, but what they're
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: what the current the way they want to play with
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: their national teams. So I think that that's going to
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: be obviously an easy transition. But then you have very
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: uh you know, high caliber players that might be playing
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: in a different system. But but I think the biggest
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: thing is if you're playing in one of the top
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: leagues in the world, you're you're you're going to be
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: tactically flexible. In other words, you're gonna you're going to
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 7: be a little bit more knowledgeable about the tactics of
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: the game, so making tweaks or adjustments. So for example,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: if you're an out and that winger like Sally is
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: for Liverpool and he plays out wide for Liverpool, but
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 7: for Egypt he plays a bit more inside, it's not
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: going to be a big adjustment for for Sala like
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 7: you know, it's he's not going to have the one
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: v one area, but he's knowledgeable enough and understands the
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: game at a high enough level where you can still
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: contribute from an interior position for Egypt, So it's going
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 7: to be you know, it's going to be dependent on
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: each player. But I don't think they would put players
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 7: in positions uh that that wouldn't make their team better.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 7: And obviously you can't do that with every player, but
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 7: there's certain you know three or four players that can
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 7: make those adjustments and move move along streamlessly like it'd be,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 7: you know, streamline the whole thing. But I think there's
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 7: also players that are particular, that play a certain position
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 7: that aren't very you know, they don't adapt well, that
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 7: you might not maybe bring into the group because of
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 7: those kind of things. But I think again, if you're
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 7: playing in the top league in the world, you obviously
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 7: understand the tactics of the game at a really, really
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: high level, and if you have technical ability and physical
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 7: ability tied in with the tactics, it shouldn't be that
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 7: big of adjustment to go from playing one way with
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 7: your club team to play another way with the international team.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: And for you and RSL right as you're like watching
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: and seeing how things are going, how often is it just,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: you know what, I thought we had the personnel, I
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: thought we had the speed or the ability or whatever
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: to play this way, but it turns out this might
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: actually be better. How much of it is personnel based?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Because I imagine correct me if I'm wrong. There are
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: certain guys, guys, especially in coaching positions, who probably are like, no,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: this is the way, this is the best way to
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: put a soccer team in in for the level of success,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: you have to have these guys out wide to use
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: your solid analogy whatever. Uh, but then maybe the personnel
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually adapt to that. So how much do you
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: have to let your players dictate what your formation is?
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 7: No, that's that's another great question. I think we're Major
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 7: League Soccer is still you know, it's we're still growing, right,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: and so we can't just pick a player and say
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 7: this is a guy that's gonna you know, execute the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 7: tactics that have the physical output and have top level
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: technique to get all these things done right. You know,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: the game, the game on a magnet magnet board is
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 7: basically the best eleven in the world because they're all
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: moving in sync. And you know, from a coaching perspective,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 7: it's it's a really false narrative. What we have to
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 7: do is is how do we how do we keep
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 7: our structure? But maybe we have tweaks within that. So
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 7: for EXAs, I'll give you an example. So Gozo playing
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: as a wing back, he can just play free because
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: he's one v one. He goes out wide, sometimes he
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 7: comes inside, sometimes he goes out. But when we play
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 7: him as a ten he struggles receiving the ball in
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 7: between the lines because it's something that's not familiar with.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 7: He's not familiar with at a certain level. So oftentimes
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 7: when we play with him as a ten playing in
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: the pocket, we'll have him run and we'll have our nine,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 7: who's Sergey Solars, who's comfortable with his back to goal,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 7: occupy that space. And so you do little tweaks like
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 7: this to make sure that you still have your structure.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 7: But within that structure, there's tweaks to put the players
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 7: in the best positions for them, for them individually, but
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 7: also for us as a collective. So we're constantly tweaking
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: things to put players and positions to be successful so
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: that the whole group is successful.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: Well, Coach, I appreciate the time and the insight today.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: I could keep picking your brain, but we got to
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: stay on clock and we got to respect.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: Your time as well.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of this World Cup in the break,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: and we'll be very eager to see what adjustments are
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: coming for RSL when we see you next.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 7: Sounds great, Sean, I appreciate you having me on.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: Pablo Mastweni, former US men's national team member, current head
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: coach of RSL. That conversation on World Cup and RSL
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• 2:06:48
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• 2:06:52
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• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: spent forty years in an NBA front office that mostly
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: is a scout, like like Richard Smith, like Smitty, and
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  Speaker 2: they just they sounded like they were still in it.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Listeners of this show and of the Bill Riley Show
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• 2:07:13
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• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: to the media thing. He sounds like he's still in
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: war rooms when he's talking about drafts.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: It was so cool.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: What I love most about it is when you talk
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: to both of those guys, right, they are not doing
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: the thing that the rest of us do. They don't
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: google the player, they don't look the guy up based on,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: you know, his statuet or whatever. They grind tape like
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: they're still in it. It's wild. I mean, Gordy Chiasa
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: has handwritten notes on all of these guys. He knows
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: where they're from, he knows how old they are. He
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: knows where they played, who coached him, and he's watched
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: enough film on all of them, all of them through
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: the first round, I would adventure I guess most of
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: all of them through tonight's second round. Also, he knows
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: who they play like, not based on the opinions of
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: like the other scouts, based on his own eyeballs, telling him, Oh,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: I've seen this guy. I watched him in this game
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: against Houston. I saw him play against the University of Utah,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: or I watched him play while he was at BYU.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: This is who he reminds me of. And he's got
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: that catalog, that back catalog of players that he studied
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: through his coaching career that he knows exactly what that
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: guy looks like, how he moved, how long he was.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's a level.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: Of knowledge that you can't find on the Internet, which
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: is something that's pretty remarkable these days because you can
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: find everything on the internet. But if you ever have
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to come out to a remote and to
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: meet Gordie and to see him in action, to just
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: look at his notes, James, I need we have all
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: this stuff hung up in the studio. We need to
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: frame some Gordy Chison notes. We absolutely do what. I'm
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: gonna ask me to frame his binder that he used
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: to bring in. That's like this thing I'm gonna ask
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Gordy when he comes in tomorrow. I'm gonna ask Gordy
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: if we can get a copy of his Darren Peterson notes,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: his handwritten notes, so we can frame them here in
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: the studio.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: That's what we gotta do it, yeah, and then.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: We will you know, reference back to them whenever, like,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, Gordy said one of the things he needed
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: to work on was that crossover, and they're like, it's
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: it's really really incredible. So I'm grateful that we get
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: to learn so much from Gordy. Still, it was great
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: to be on a you know, a show for that
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: long with Smitty. I've never done that much radio with
• 2:09:45
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• 2:09:47
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  Speaker 2: eight South three hundred West, the local interest in tonight's
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: second round of the draft. I think for most people
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: it starts with Richie Saunders. Okay, whether you loved him
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: or hated him because you're a Utah fan, Richie Saunders
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: is actually a really awesome story in college basketball. He
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: looks like Napoleon Dynamite, he plays like actual Napoleon Bonaparte.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: The guy is just a beast. I love it. I'm
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: so happy that he's going to get this opportunity. And
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: the ESPN mock Draft Jeremy Wu's latest mock draft end
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: of the show, Jeremy Wu has him going to and
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: this is where my enjoyment ends, has him going tonight
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: to Oklahoma City Thunder.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: What pick is that? Thirty seven? Thirty seven?
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was gonna say, those of those of
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: us that watched the draft last night, listened to our
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: draft show last night, you saw j billis does He's
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: the NBA guy who does the next best available.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: He's the mel kiper in that regard, Todd McShay.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: He makes the big board for ESPN's NBA Draft coverage,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: and you saw at the end of the night, Richie
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: Saunders right there in the next best five available. For
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Jay billis so thirty seven, that's that's right around there.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: Great for him, but like you say, uh, kind of
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: annoying for everyone who's not an Oksey.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, but think what Richie Saunder.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: What's gonna happen with Richie Saunders if he ends up
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: at Okay see, and obviously this is a mock, so
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: who knows. Yeah, he might go earlier, he might go later,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: but no matter where he ends up, right, the most
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: likely outcome, it feels like for me is Richie Saunders
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: is gonna be probably like a seventh eighth guy on
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: an NBA roster.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be a sharp shooter.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be one of these cats that you can
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: bring in off the bench who will be a willing defender,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: who's gonna hit some good shots for you. If he's not,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: if he's not incredible at defense, he's at LEAs he's
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: gonna hustle for you on that end. And if he's
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: you know, he's twenty five years old. So let's say
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: that you play percentages here and you get five to
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: seven years of professional basketball out of Richie Saunders after
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: already making some nil deals. This guy's gonna leave with
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: thirty to forty million, Bucks's probably gonna partner with Ryan
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: Smith and his next his next startup or something. It's
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: like just a hustle player, as a guy who did
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: it the right way and did everything was asked of
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: him at a local university. And yeah, it's not the
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: home of the youth, it's not our favorite one, but
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a massive, important foundational piece to
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: BYU basketball's renaissance, their resurgence, their ability to do things
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: that nobody thought they were gonna be able to do.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: And then when you lost him, it was a devastating blow.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: BYU was a year ahead of schedule. We were all
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: looking when when Kevin Young was hired. We were all
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: looking forward to last season, his second year, because that's
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: when that's when AJ Debonsa was coming in, Right, And yes,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of hype around Yegor Demen, but it was
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: nothing compared to nothing compared to the AJ Debonca hype. Right,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: But they were a year ahead of schedule as a
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen team, one of three in BYU's basketball history,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: mainly because Richie Saunders turned into a star caliber player
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: for them, so absolutely incredibly important to that program currently
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: into the He'll live on in that program's history for sure.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: For Utah basketball fans, the mock drafts in the second
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: round gets interesting for a completely different reason. Noam Yakov,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: we've talked about him kind of weighing the options in
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: professional basketball and what's his future going to look like.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: He's committed to the University of Utah, but is he
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: ever gonna actually play for the University of Utah. He
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: just did his visit, took the picture in the utees
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: gear and everything. He seems to want to play for Utah.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: But he's got this option with the NBA Draft too,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: as a second round pick, and Jeremy Woo and ESPN
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: have him going as the second to last pick in
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: the second round, number fifty nine, to the Minnesota Timberwolves.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: That's a pick they got via San Antonio, which you know,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: which means that on the on the draft night broadcast,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: it's gonna have the San Antonio Spurs graphic and he's
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: gonna have the Spurs hat on if he gets picked there.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: And then Adam Silver's gonna come back and be like,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: there's a trade that we already knew about anyway. So
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: here here's the conversation I never thought we'd be having
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: about college sports and pro sports. Right, if you're nom
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: Yakov and you're making a decision about your financial future, right,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: can you be the least important or second least important
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: person on the Minnesota Timberwolves ross and make you know
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: whatever that translates.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: To being on a non guaranteed contract contract? Or will
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: you be.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: The most, second most maybe third most important player on
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: what we think hopefully will be a resurgent Big twelve
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: roster at the University of Utah and cash the checks
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: that come with that, because we know that you cash
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: some checks for that. Now, I have no idea what
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: kind of money we're talking about for somebody like nom Yakov.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: You're going to presume that he's going to be a
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: starting guard for the Utes, but we don't know, and
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the NIL deals look like for
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: some of those starting guards. It's right that right now
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: you're looking at an athletic department that has to explore
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: the possibilities of this capital infusion from the Ultro capital
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: deal and whether or not that is going to translate
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: to better pay in NIL opportunities directly or indirectly for
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: your student athletes. Are you going to be able to
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: compete on the nil front in basketball? They've made it
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: very clear at the University of Utah, and one of
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: the commitments to Morgan Scally was, we will help you
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: stay up, keep up with the Joneses in football spending,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: not Texas Tech Joneses, probably not even BYU Joneses. But
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State is not going to be outbidding people, not
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: gonna be outbidding you four people. We're not gonna let
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: TCU come over pay and get somebody if you really
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: want them, right, So Utah is gonna stay kind of
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: in the top five top six spending on the football front.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: As far as we can tell.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: Alex Jensen did not take this job without assurances that
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: basketball was going to be doing the same thing. So
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: I have is no Miyakov a million dollar player for
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: the Utah football Utah basketball team? Is he a five
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars player or is he like a one
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars player? I truly don't know. These are
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: decisions that have to be made now at a much
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: higher level for these young athletes. We got into the
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: end of the first round last night and we were
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: talking about co Opete from Arizona, right, Coepete is probably
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: like sixes on playing as at the end of the
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: first round for an NBA team or going back to
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: Arizona with some eligibility and playing for the Arizona Wildcats,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: because Arizona is, if not a blue blood, a new blood.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: They're big spenders, and obviously his importance to them is
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: far more significance than his importance to an NBA franchise.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: Believe there's Dallas Mavericks right last pick of the draft,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: or maybe it was a team before them.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: Was he last or second to last? I can't remember.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Anyway, he's he's not gonna He's gonna be towards the
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: end of the bench for that team, whichever team it
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: was at the end of the draft. You're right, Copete
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: last a starter and probably a star for Arizona. And
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because those first round picks are guaranteed contracts.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we see anyone fore go and
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: be like, nah, I won't sign the contract. I'm gonna
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: go to college from a first round pick. But that's
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: the story that we're getting about. No Miyakov as a
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: second round pick. He could just be like, yeah, non guaranteed,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: I'll just go. It sounds like he would prefer to
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: just play here at Utah. If that's the case. If
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: he doesn't get picked at all, then it's just about okay,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna seek undrafted free agent contracts. And it's
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: an easy decision for him, but the little bit of
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: a reason to sweat out the end of the NBA draft.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: If you're running uts fan Copete.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: If you remember watching Tournament basketball, Coopete was in a
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Turbo tax commercial that was playing. That's right during like
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: they did a really good job with nil according to
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: some sources, and these are always inflated, but he walked
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: away from as much as five million dollars to play
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: at Arizona this year. If he walked away for if
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: that's a real number five million, then he's losing money
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: going to the NBA. Yeah, what did Gordy say? It's
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: three plus million for into the first round?
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: That's right? Uh, draft picks.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: If the more realistic estimates right, because there's always let's
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: say it's two and a half or three million. Now
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: we're talking about like, ah, well would it be better though?
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: Do you want to be the big fish in the
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: small pond, the small fish in the big pond, Like,
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: how do.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: You want to handle that?
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: These are real decisions being made now in college and
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: pro athletics.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: That is bananas.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: You might take a pay cut to go pro in
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: today's world, which which is why oc one of the
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: reasons why we're seeing so many more international players playing
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: college back basketball. Because these international players are playing, they're
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: they're getting paid at like amateur level, what are junior
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: level contracts before they come to to play college basketball,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: because they're part of these programs, just like international soccer.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: They're part of these programs from the time they're you know,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: middle school age, junior high age, sometimes younger, and they're
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: they're signed to junior level contracts playing on the junior
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: teams in these clubs, these big clubs over there. And
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: in the past it was like we don't we don't
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: care about the exposure. I'm getting paid over here. I'm
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: gonna stay over here and and then I'll then I'll
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: enter the NBA draft sure and get paid more money.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Now it's like still not an exposure exposure reason for them.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you can pay me more through nil, Okay,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: I'll play college basketball. And you're seeing like Mom Chilovich
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: for Iowa State who withdrew from the draft because he's
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: getting you know, huge bucks to play, uh, and he's
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: he's not with io Iowa State anymore, but to transfer
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: somewhere else and play college basketball. That's like, that's the
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: reason for the international invasion of college basketball here. And
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: it makes for like you say, very interesting decisions for
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: these guys who even get picked in the first round.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: According to the Internet, which is never wrong, Milan mung
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: Chilovich got a six million dollar deal to play for Kentucky.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: That's right, Kentucky.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's insane, Mark Pope shout out. I mean,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: six million dollars makes you uh, that's pick number You're
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: making more money than pick number twelve. If six million dollars,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: that's a lottery pick. Oh see, that's more than it's
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: between eleven and twelve. Eleven is six point two eight
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: six million, the year twelve is five point nine to
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: seven to two million thirty where CoA pete is just
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: over three million dollars. Sot's double that double the end
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: of the first round and more than.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: The end of the lottery. Bananas that's crazy, all right.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: One thing with the Richie going back to Richie Saunders thing,
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: we were talking off air about oc if he ends
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: up at Oka. See at pick thirty seven, we teamed
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: up with with rival Brandon Carlson, former running ute, and
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: I wonder he hasn't had much of an opportunity because
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: Brandon Carlson not a high profile NBA player coming out
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: of college, right, but he's played some regular season games,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: mostly garbage time, a little bit garbage time playoff games
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: last year, not this past season of the year before.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: I wonder if he's a realistic option if Isaiah Hartenstein
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: leaves in free agency to say, Okay, Brandon, we believe
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: in you. We can give you a little we can
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: give you a little bit more run. And also going
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: back to Richie Saunders thing, it be fun to see
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: those two play together.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: So Brandon Carlson averaged five point eight points in three
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: rebounds in his time that he is very limited time
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: that he played.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: He's seven feet tall, two hundred and twenty pounds, and his.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: Three point shot, which was really good at Utah, has
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: translated a little bit the NBA. Hartenstein is about double
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: the points and double the rebounds and he's one year older.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: But he's also thirty pounds heavier. I didn't know he
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: was only there's only a year difference between them. Carlson
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: is twenty seven, Hernstein twenty eight.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: He's an old young player in the league.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: Hartenstein has been in the league for seven years and
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: he's twenty eight. This is Carlson's third season. If I'm
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: not mistaken, maybe he's going into his fourth. Like that's yeah,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: there you go for your college player. All right, we'll
• 2:24:07
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  Speaker 8: Bear Naked Ladies. Yeah, wow, Little Drops of Jupiter. Let's
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  Speaker 8: go baby. What's that dopey lyric? Oh you're so gangster.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 8: I'm so thug. You're the only one I'm thinking of.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 8: Train might be the worst band of all time, potentially,
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 8: don't you do this? Have you ever seen the family
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 8: Guy train thing where they're in the car like Stewie's
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 8: like or no, it's the it's the dog.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 11: It's like great.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 8: So uh Peter turns on the radio and it's train
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 8: and they're silent, like, hey, you want to turn the station.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 8: He's like, no, you got you turn it. Then they
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 8: start belting Train at the top of their lungs. Train's
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 8: the greatest band of all time. It's like Nickelback. Everyone
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 8: likes to pretend they don't know all those Nickelbacks.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 11: Song No Nickelback is not good either.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me you can't sing along to a
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: Nickelback song? Don't lie, I honestly don't. I can sing no, no, no,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. I could probably hang with a couple
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: of Train tunes. I don't know any Nickelback songs.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: That's that's not true.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 11: What's their most famous song?
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: You can't live in America?
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 11: Train or excuse me, James, your name's not Training?
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 8: James, play the most famous Nickelback song right now, like
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 8: now you missed the window?
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 7: Just kidding.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 8: I honestly don't know what the most famous Nickelback song
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 8: would be. Uh, they have a lot, just name one.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 8: How you remind me? Photographs? I know this one, Yes,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 8: I know this one. We all just want to be
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 8: big rock star.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a living hilltop houses, driving sixteen cars.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 11: There's like a documentary on Netflix.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 8: I think it's called I Hate Nickelback or something about
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 8: Nickelback being the most hated band.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: Of the most hated incredibly successful band ever.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah you don't like Nickelback, Sean, don't lie.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: Look this is there a conundrum because never once have
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: I gotten in the car been like I want to
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: hear some.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: Nickelback, buyer up, Nickelback bro.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: However, when Nickelback songs come on the radio, they earworm you.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, this is Tuesday Strip Club at two in the
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 8: afternoon is what this is. This is American Trails. Is
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 8: that still open? I don't don't lie. I don't know
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 8: what are you doing after the show? Definitely not going there.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 8: This is American Trails. The two pm shift on a
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 8: Tuesday is what.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 8: Garlic Burger's for three ninety nine and Nickelback and the
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 8: ce list stage presence.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: I don't tell me. You tell me that you're not
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: catching on to any of this.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 11: But I recognized the photograph song exactly. I knew that one.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: They're on commercials, they're all over the place, and you're
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: just like, wait a minute.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 11: But it doesn't mean they're It doesn't mean they're good.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: Thought I thought we all hated Nickelback and Nickelback.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: Let's just career earnings. Let's just see what kind of
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: revenue they've been able to generate with their terrible music
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: that everyone hates.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 8: I think that was the I think that was the
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 8: idea of the documentary, like most hated his band in
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 8: the world, yet they saw records.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: Well, while you're looking that up, see I have to
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: tell you, I tell you a story of my radio
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: professor hates Nickelback, hates Creed. He called it, and they
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: all all those bands that kind of sound the same
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: with the voice and the lead singer.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: He called it.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: Puddle of nickel Creed is what he calls. Just Porter's
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: radio professor too. By the way, I like that, shout
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: out to Sean Denevan Sean, but he anyway, he called
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: it puddle of Nickel Creed because there's a bunch of
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: bands that sound the same from around two thousand raspy
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: lead singer and Nickelback's one of those puddle of mud.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 8: Nickel Back in Creed, and I could probably hang with
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 8: a couple of Greed songs too.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 11: They were pretty popular.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: Like Creed.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: Hear anything like like Creed.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 8: You're still tired from our show last night? You are confused.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 11: You need to go to bed. How's you show?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 9: Sean?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: That was great. It's a great show today.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 11: Listen on the way in. Yeah, some some good stuff.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 8: Look, there's a chance the Jazz drafted the best player
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 8: available last night.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 11: Now let me rephrase that, the best player in the draft.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 11: There's a chance. It's pretty exciting.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: That is exciting and we'll all have to play wait
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: and see on it. I you know, while we were
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: on air last night, we're reacting to the picks as
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: they come out. Not Able to like fully digest, not
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: able to turn the sound on and hear what Darren
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: Peterson and his family had to say about being picked
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: by the Jazz. Spend some time obviously catching up, getting
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: his quotes, reading up on his reaction and things like that.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: And I am, you know, I'm hopeful right now that
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: like with Ace Bailey, all that like he doesn't want
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: to be there was just his agents trying to leverage
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: him to get to the number one pick, et cetera,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Seems like he's ready to compete, he's ready
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: to work, and that's all this Utah Jazz team is
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: gonna ask of him.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 8: I when when we got home, I went back and
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 8: just kind of looked at some of the reaction on
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 8: the TV broadcast. He did a hit Darren did with
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 8: Michael Leaves on Sports Center and a couple of other,
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 8: you know, kind of reactive pieces in the moment, and
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 8: I'll tell you what. He seems like a little bit
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 8: of a quieter personality, but he said all the right things.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 8: And as you kind of learn more about him, his
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 8: father played basketball in college. His brother is a free
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 8: agent NFL player right now for the Rams. Seems to
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 8: have been raised in a very stable household with very
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 8: good parents, and all of the information that has come
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 8: out since he was drafted. Now I've got a little
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 8: PTSD with this because this is exactly what happened with Donovan,
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 8: where he said the right things, he endeared himself to
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 8: the fan base, seemed to want to be here, turned
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 8: into an awesome player, and then everything changed in a
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 8: matter of like two months. So we can't read the
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 8: tea leaves and understand what the future is going to
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 8: look like. But man, I'm telling you, Sean, I've talked
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 8: to you about this. You go back and look at
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 8: his Huntington prep tape. You go look back at his
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 8: AAU tape. He went to two different prep schools. He
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 8: went to the prep school that produced Shay Gills of Alexander.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 8: He is intoxicatingly athletic and was the consensus number one
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 8: pick prior to this year when aj kind of surpassed him.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 8: I don't know this. This is gonna be hyperbolic. This
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 8: is gonna be stephen A. Smithy. There's a chance that
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 8: the Jazz have never drafted a town like this. I
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 8: mean in the moment, like you didn't know Carl was
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 8: going to be Carl. He was the thirteenth pick. If
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 8: anyone knew Carl was going to be Carl, he wouldn't
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 8: have been thirteen, or Stock at sixteen, or Donovan at thirteen.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 8: The one exception might be Daryl Griffith, who was the
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 8: NCAA Player of the Year at Louisville and they drafted
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 8: him at two as well. But there's an argument to
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 8: be made that what the Jazz did last night, this
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 8: organization has not done one time in fifty plus years.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could certainly make that argument.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: And when you watch his tape, even some of those
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: great players, it doesn't look like that, right.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 8: Donovan kind of looked like that a little bit. But
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 8: Donovan was thirteen. He was not near as offensively polished.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 8: You know, remember Donovan was drafted as like this pitbull
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: defensive perimeter player with unbelievable long arms for only being
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  Speaker 8: six two. Nobody thought he was going to be this
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  Speaker 8: offensive juggernaut. Darren Peterson's shot making period is the best
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  Speaker 8: in this class by far, and that includes AJ, because
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  Speaker 8: darren shot making profile includes deep NBA threes. And that's
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  Speaker 8: the question with AJ debounce. Now, I think AJ is
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  Speaker 8: going to be great, and you would have been fine
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  Speaker 8: with either one. But I'm juiced, man, I am juiced
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  Speaker 8: to watch this kid play and develop, and I think
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  Speaker 8: jazz fan should be really excited.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited that.
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  Speaker 2: This sort of fierce competitor thing with him seems to
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  Speaker 2: be a core personality trait.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And I question that aggress With all that was going
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  Speaker 2: on at Kansas, obviously, there's no doubt in the fans
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  Speaker 2: or in the minds of the jazz brass.
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  Speaker 1: That that really is who he is.
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  Speaker 11: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And they picked him after meeting with him in person
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  Speaker 2: to kind of make sure that kicking the tires was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a good idea. Yeah, and now we
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  Speaker 2: get to watch it all unfold, and we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to wait too long.
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  Speaker 1: Summer leagues only a couple weeks away.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I can't wait because I can remember I was up
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  Speaker 8: there for Donovan's summer league, and as the story goes, anecdotally,
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  Speaker 8: everyone's kind of eye opener with Donovan was actually summer
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  Speaker 8: league because Boston was in town and Tatum went two three.
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  Speaker 8: Excuse me, Tatum went three that year and Donald went thirteen.
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  Speaker 8: But everybody, like everybody knew that Tatum was going to
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  Speaker 8: be a really really special talent, and we didn't really
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  Speaker 8: know about Donovan. And it was up to the Huntsman Center,
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  Speaker 8: ironically enough, because the Delta Center was not available with
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  Speaker 8: renovations just like this summer, and Donovan gave it to Jason,
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  Speaker 8: Tatum to him, and we're all sitting there like, well,
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  Speaker 8: wait a second, because, as the story goes, this infamous
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  Speaker 8: now Donovan Mitchell work out in Salt Lake City, where
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  Speaker 8: Dennis Lindsay essentially threatened everybody's jobs if they said, you know,
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  Speaker 8: if they told anybody what had happened here, right, so
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  Speaker 8: you kind of heard, like, Okay, Dennis loves him, and
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  Speaker 8: Dennis is a really smart town evaluator. Quinn loves him,
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  Speaker 8: Quinn's a great head coach. Well, let's see what this
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  Speaker 8: looks like. First possession, he rips Tatum drives down the floor,
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  Speaker 8: dunks it on his head, slaps the floor and picks
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  Speaker 8: him up full court and just was the superior player
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  Speaker 8: on that day to Jason Tatum, and so a lot
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  Speaker 8: of excitement about what Donovan could be. So to your point,
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  Speaker 8: jazz fans don't have to wait very long. We'll be
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  Speaker 8: able to see Darren Peterson in a matter of weeks,
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  Speaker 8: you know, against Cameron Boozer who will be here with Memphis,
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  Speaker 8: and some other really good rookies who will be here
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  Speaker 8: as well. So look, it's been a rough four year period.
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  Speaker 8: I understand the ambiguity surrounding the jazz with certain people
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  Speaker 8: as of late, but I think it's time to get
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  Speaker 8: really excited about what this could look like right away. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I do know this song, Don't bop your head, don't
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  Speaker 8: do the air guitar, Oh yeah, oh my gosh, And
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  Speaker 8: that was you actually nailed the solo right there.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna have to love this.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know this song. Oh arms wide open. Scott's
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  Speaker 8: stat was singing his heart out, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the greatest songs of our time.
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  Speaker 1: Calm down, is he the songbird of a generation? Rights?
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  Speaker 11: You never know yeah, you need sleep. It was a
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  Speaker 11: long show last night.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spence. Check it SAX
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  Speaker 2: for listening to the shot Oldcondl Show. Will do it
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  Speaker 2: again tomorrow on ESPN seven