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A Doctor Who Is a Vaccinated Anti-Vaxxer | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: H h h.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Jim. This is Jim Warfee the Battle
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  Speaker 2: of Ideas. David Cortland. Thank you for joining me in
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  Speaker 2: the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's it's it's good to join you.
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  Speaker 2: I actually wanted to have you on my show quite
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  Speaker 2: some time back, and I can't quite remember exactly why
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  Speaker 2: it didn't happen, but I'm glad you are joining me now.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's I've been in the trenches, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, so it's been I've been fighting for
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  Speaker 1: my career, fighting for my ability to we're fighting for
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  Speaker 1: quality of life really, So I'm glad you've got me
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  Speaker 1: on eventually, and I'm sorry we've missed each other so
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  Speaker 1: many times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I used the Trenchers meta for quite a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty much the underlying theme of my
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  Speaker 2: entire podcast. We are in a war.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, without doubt, it's a it's a weaponless war. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very clever war, and you've got to admire it
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  Speaker 1: really when you when you look at it's multifaceted as well,
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  Speaker 1: not just the COVID side of things, but it's it's
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  Speaker 1: very clever if you think about all the psychological techniques
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  Speaker 1: of syops and there and the and the way it's
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  Speaker 1: been carried out. It's a genius, criminal genius. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're definitely in a war. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: You were a GP or are a GP, and you
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  Speaker 2: were struggle for the medical register for for refusing to
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  Speaker 2: harm patients. Uh, take me, take me through that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting. It's as you mentioned, I don't consider
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  Speaker 1: myself a doctor anymore. I don't associate with that profession.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I am due to the degrees that I did.
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  Speaker 1: I did a degree in biomedical sciences and I did
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  Speaker 1: a degree in medicine, so back to back degrees in
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  Speaker 1: science and medicine. So uh yeah, I had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: quiet life moved down to Cornwall at the start of
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  Speaker 1: the scamdemic. Am I allowed to call it that, or
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  Speaker 1: to call it pandemic or whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: I just call it a hoax?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And so you know, I noticed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the hoaxes in real time. So as a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: you're seen all these ridiculous anti science rules, things that
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  Speaker 1: just didn't make sense. You know, this killer disease, it
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  Speaker 1: was so bad that one of the symptoms was no symptoms,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, That's all you need to say, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know you can. You can go to a
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  Speaker 1: pub and you're protected from the virus if you have
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  Speaker 1: a meal in front of you, but not just a beer.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you have a beer at the virus
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  Speaker 1: want to attack you, for example. So going back to
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  Speaker 1: my sorry tale of where exactly what you said, really,
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  Speaker 1: I was a GP. I had an exemplary career, an
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  Speaker 1: exemplary academic career as well. I always pride myself on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I've not been a troublemaker. I've never
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  Speaker 1: been in trouble at school through my footballing career. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about football as we go on, because that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the consequences, you know, never really got into
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  Speaker 1: trouble with the refs, never really got yellow cardied. So
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  Speaker 1: it followed the rules, really a good citizen as it were.
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  Speaker 1: And then out of nowhere, I decided to speak out
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  Speaker 1: about what I saw in my own clinic room. This
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  Speaker 1: wasn't Dave Cartland's conspiracy theory. This was my clinic room
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  Speaker 1: in Penzance in a small surgery and seeing not only
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  Speaker 1: the city rules and the PCR and the nonsense on
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  Speaker 1: the TV about the pandemic itself. But the Golden Calf
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it. It was the Golden Calf and vaccination. It was
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  Speaker 1: all about bringing in the jab into the arm and
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  Speaker 1: saw it, you know, in real time, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: you know, they brought this big Vata vaccines in. I
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  Speaker 1: remember it really well, and they opened the big truck
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  Speaker 1: and there was a round of applause by all the
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  Speaker 1: doctors and the nurses and the paramedics as these Maderna
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  Speaker 1: and fires vaccines came out through you know, through out
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  Speaker 1: the back of this truck and started going into arms
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  Speaker 1: quicker than grease lightning really and just seeing my patients dropping,
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  Speaker 1: literally dropping, you know, it was you know, some people
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  Speaker 1: were immediate, some people are having issues after the vaccine
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  Speaker 1: on the same day. Some people were a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days later, some people are a few weeks later. But
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was beyond all reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: If you're sat in a clinic room and your patients
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  Speaker 1: are coming into you saying, doctor, I had the vaccine
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  Speaker 1: two days ago and I haven't stopped having chest pain since,
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  Speaker 1: and that keeps happening day and day out, then you're
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  Speaker 1: going to start paying attention to these red flags, and
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  Speaker 1: so I did you know, I mean, I even took
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  Speaker 1: the jab myself. That's that's the twist in the tail.
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  Speaker 1: I had two of the bioweapons myself under huge coercion.
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  Speaker 1: It was essentially a gun to the head. If you
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  Speaker 1: don't take it, you will be fired, doctor Cartland. And
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  Speaker 1: that was part of my story that I took the
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  Speaker 1: bio weapon. I'll call it a bi it reckon because
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  Speaker 1: I don't see it as anything else. And yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: trouble started when I started to rear my head and say, look, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing backs in injury. I kept very I kept
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  Speaker 1: a really simplistic approach. I looked at lockdowns and masks
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  Speaker 1: in detail. You know, they don't work and there's collapse
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  Speaker 1: with damage associated with both. I looked at children, I
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  Speaker 1: looked at pregnant women. They were going down the ages
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  Speaker 1: very quickly. And you know, in my experience at the time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people who had COVID in inverted commerce were
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  Speaker 1: old OBEs, multiple came morbidities. Why are they giving it
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  Speaker 1: to thirty year old men that are fit and healthy?
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  Speaker 1: And then they went even further and started to plan
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  Speaker 1: giving it to five to twelve year olds. Absolutely appalling,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember chatting at the time to my colleagues
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  Speaker 1: and they said, no, no, no, we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: give it to our children. We wouldn't give it to
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  Speaker 1: our children. There's no clinical indication. We'll never give a
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  Speaker 1: vaccine to a child under our route. And yet the
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  Speaker 1: next day they're down the jabatois, as I call it,
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  Speaker 1: sending staff down to jab your children whilst.
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  Speaker 2: Refusing too ware wait wait wait wait wait wait wait jabat.
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  Speaker 2: I I've never heard anybody say.
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  Speaker 1: That the javatwire exactly what it was. It was a javatar.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally I've seen people literally herded like animals through
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  Speaker 1: the system on a big circuit around the building, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like pneumatic jabbing, you know, no questions asked,
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  Speaker 1: no information exchanged, jab jab jab jab jab. And then
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  Speaker 1: they came down the ages. So going back to my
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  Speaker 1: original five points with lockdowns and masks, the damage collateral
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  Speaker 1: and otherwise and the fact they don't work. It was
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  Speaker 1: the children and the pregnant with me and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my beef with the GMC, and what led to
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  Speaker 1: my career ending was I called people out and I'm
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  Speaker 1: guilty of that. I've called out people ironically who spread misinformation.
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  Speaker 1: Sweet irony. So you know, I was being accused of
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  Speaker 1: spreamous information, and actually I was looking at doctors on
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  Speaker 1: the television same things, such as there is no such
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  Speaker 1: thing as a vaccine injury. The vaccine is one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent safe long term in pregnancy. So I'd call these
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  Speaker 1: doctors publicly and asked for their data, and that ended
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  Speaker 1: up with the GMC saying, well, these doctors are just
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  Speaker 1: following NHS guidelines. Dodor Carton's attacking them, and this is
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  Speaker 1: her harassment campaign that he's started against these doctors. And
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  Speaker 1: so suddenly from having an exemplary academic and medical career,
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  Speaker 1: I'm faced with what turned out to be two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty four GMC complaints on the background of none
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  Speaker 1: in the past. You know, I never even had a
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  Speaker 1: local complaint in my surgery from a patient. Ever. None
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  Speaker 1: of it was to do with patients. It's to do
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  Speaker 1: with internet spats. And like I said, I've always admitted
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  Speaker 1: to calling out misinformation liars and I've called out bullies.
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  Speaker 1: That's the two things I'll do publicly, loudly and proudly,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll never change because if you bully me. I
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  Speaker 1: will name and shame you. If you lie to vulnerable
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  Speaker 1: patient groups such as pregnant women and children, I will
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  Speaker 1: call you out. And so those callings out were spun
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  Speaker 1: very cleverly by the GMC into doctor Carton dis harassing
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  Speaker 1: these doctors who are merely following the government advice on
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  Speaker 1: the vaccine, and said that stacked up and of the
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty four complaints they went forward with five.
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  Speaker 1: So that tells you about the evidential merit of these complaints.
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't any. They chucked out two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: nine and they took five forward. And it's interesting the
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  Speaker 1: five that they took forward were harassments four cases and
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  Speaker 1: harassment now harassments of crime. Last time I checked, I've
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  Speaker 1: not been arrested for harassment. I've not been charged with harassment.
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  Speaker 1: I've not been found guilty by a judge or jury
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  Speaker 1: of harassment. Yet the GMC found me guilty of harassment.
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  Speaker 1: And what the GMC very cleverly did is they looked
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  Speaker 1: at one side of the debate. So you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you've probably been involved in Twitter spats, I've been involved
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  Speaker 1: in Twitter spats. It's bi directional And what I've found
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  Speaker 1: from my time with the police, and we'll come probably
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  Speaker 1: to that later, is that if it's bi directional, it's
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  Speaker 1: not harassment. If you get involved, it's he said, she said,
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  Speaker 1: six of one, half a dozen of the other. There
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  Speaker 1: is no merit for somebody accusing the other party of harassment.
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  Speaker 1: But what they did was they said, well, David Cartlan
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  Speaker 1: said this to that doctor. And my hand goes up
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  Speaker 1: and said, yeah, but he said this before. He goaded me,
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  Speaker 1: he baited me. He's been harassing me with hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: tweets and I called him this, but you need to
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  Speaker 1: know the context. And they said, we don't care about
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  Speaker 1: the context. We don't care whatever he said. You're the doctor,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're up that you're in the tribunal. It's not them.
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  Speaker 1: And so they did that to for doctors that I
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  Speaker 1: called out for spreading this information. And then the worst one,
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  Speaker 1: and the worst one that's led to the consequences and
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  Speaker 1: will come to that, is is that I was found
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  Speaker 1: guilty of creating vaccine exemption certificates. Now, if you came
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  Speaker 1: to me and asked me for a vaccine exemption certificate,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't give you one because it doesn't exist. The
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  Speaker 1: document doesn't exist. So if you read any of my
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  Speaker 1: tribunal paperwork, he said, doctor can'tly created vaccine exemption certificates.
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  Speaker 1: Second charge, I was found guilty of falsifying medical notes. Now,
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  Speaker 1: falsifying medical notes is a serious accusation. That means I've
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  Speaker 1: tiptoed into somebody's office, hacked into the computer system, and
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  Speaker 1: changed somebody's medical notes. There was no evidence of that.
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  Speaker 1: So I've created a document that doesn't exist, and I
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  Speaker 1: falsified medical notes, and yet here I am unarrested. It's
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  Speaker 1: a criminal offense, imprisonable. And actually the interesting point about
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  Speaker 1: the GMC for that accusation was they didn't even have
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  Speaker 1: a copy of a letter. So I wrote, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I put my hands up, I said, look to the GMC.
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  Speaker 1: I said that I wrote five letters extenuating circumstances. I
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  Speaker 1: used one example of a pregnant woman who had given
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  Speaker 1: birth in New York City. Her baby was sick because
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  Speaker 1: the cord was wrapped around the baby's neck, so it's
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  Speaker 1: an unexpected delivery thirty weeks gestation. She was ill, the
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  Speaker 1: baby was ill, and the grandmother approached me and said,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get to New York City. My daughter's dying,
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  Speaker 1: my firstborn granddaughter's dying. I need to be there. They're
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  Speaker 1: in NICU when they're in intensive care for postpartum hemorrhage.
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  Speaker 1: And I read a letter and it wasn't exempting them.
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  Speaker 1: It was saying I stand with this woman for her
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  Speaker 1: rights to say no to a medical intervention she simply
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want. And these are ethical principles that you know,
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  Speaker 1: the doctors have lived by these rules for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: It's a career built around me ethics. So the ethics
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  Speaker 1: are bodily autonomy. If you don't want something, we're not
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  Speaker 1: in the business of pinning people down and making them
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  Speaker 1: swallow tablets. That's a salt and battery, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: the second one is valid refusal of consent with capacity,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what I documented. I'll put it in writing.
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  Speaker 1: I stand by missus Jones for her right to exercise
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  Speaker 1: her bodily autonomy and she's got a right to refuse.
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  Speaker 1: And that's it. And it got spunk completely. Now, remember
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  Speaker 1: the GENC had no copy of the letter, they had
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  Speaker 1: no date of the letter, they didn't know the wording
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  Speaker 1: that I've used. And the only reason they knew that
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  Speaker 1: I did them, is my own admission, and even then
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  Speaker 1: they said I was dishonest, dishonest by producing these letters.
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  Speaker 1: Now none of it marries up to the truth, and
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  Speaker 1: this has led to further consequences as we've come onto
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  Speaker 1: because it wasn't just a strike off. And you've got
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  Speaker 1: to remember, you know, the medical regulator is there to
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  Speaker 1: maintain the trust in the profession. Irony of all ironies,
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  Speaker 1: and when they struck me our first, I didn't expect it.
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  Speaker 1: I did not expect it. I expected a slap on
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  Speaker 1: the wrist. I expected some remedial training, some social media coaching.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to remember this. The GENC have never released
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  Speaker 1: until after my charges came in any guidance or training
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  Speaker 1: on social media for doctors. It came in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four at the back end. So they're holding me against
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  Speaker 1: you know, regulatory guidance that hasn't been produced, no training
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  Speaker 1: has been given, no one's had any training in social media.
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  Speaker 1: It's a complete cesspit, as we all know. And yet
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  Speaker 1: they're holding these things against me to the point where
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  Speaker 1: I was struck off. And they said in the closing remarks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't just suspending. This was you know, Erasia,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't just a rasier in a month. It
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  Speaker 1: was immediate. You need to be stopping him from it.
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  Speaker 1: I was two days before. I was working as a
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  Speaker 1: doctor two days before. There were no restrictions on me
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  Speaker 1: over the three and a half year period, but they
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  Speaker 1: investigated me, so evidently they weren't that concerned about me.
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  Speaker 1: I was free to practic. I worked in multiple arenas
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  Speaker 1: up until virtually the day of must strike off. And
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  Speaker 1: then they said I brought the profession into disrepute. I
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  Speaker 1: negatively affected public confidence in the profession, and I was
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  Speaker 1: a danger to the public. There was no public involved.
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  Speaker 1: It was Twitter spats, you know, there was no patient involvement.
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  Speaker 1: There was no clinical negligence. And then I'm watching as
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  Speaker 1: the GMC are letting off doctors who are raping. I'm
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  Speaker 1: seeing I saw a doctor two weeks ago who's had
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  Speaker 1: a sexual relationship with a thirteen year old cancer patient.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a year's suspension. You've got to pay another
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  Speaker 1: doctor castrating women, doing inappropriate castration of overies during unrelated
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  Speaker 1: gynecological procedures. He gets let off. There's another doctor in
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  Speaker 1: nipped out during the anesthesia and had sex in his
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  Speaker 1: break while the patient's on the table. He gets let off,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm there having written letters no one's ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: These are real examples. I've got a whole file of them.
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  Speaker 1: So my argument's always been proportionality. Why am I so
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  Speaker 1: dangerous to the point where I need to be banned
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  Speaker 1: from working as a doctor whereas these doctors. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the BBC reported on the ray and they said the
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  Speaker 1: doctor was not struck off because it was a one
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  Speaker 1: off incident. So according to the GMC, one off rapes
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  Speaker 1: are okay, and we've got a massive problem with sex
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  Speaker 1: offenders in medicine. There's a whole load of sex offenders
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  Speaker 1: working as doctors. And meanwhile, Dave Cartlin's unemployed and unemployable
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  Speaker 1: for writing five letters that no one's ever seen site
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  Speaker 1: of and having Internet rowes with idiots idiots, and here
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  Speaker 1: we are at the end of the career, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm getting David is it's a term that
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  Speaker 2: you use, the kill chain, which is I think a
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  Speaker 2: very good way of describing it. It's a series of
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  Speaker 2: attacks on you, not because you actually are doing anything wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but because they don't like what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean kill Chain sums it up, doesn't it really.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's weaponless, it's covert, it's multifaceted. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: been the career, as we'll come on to discuss. It's
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  Speaker 1: been every element of my life. Anything I've expressed enjoyment in,
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  Speaker 1: anything I'm interested in, they've gone for it. From refereeing football, coaching,
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  Speaker 1: playing football. You know, we'll talking about DBS. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: the Criminal Records Bureau list that I've been put upon,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, you know yourself, you've been on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: You know there's this troll network and it's very sinister
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  Speaker 1: because these people are not I don't think they'll ever
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  Speaker 1: be fulfilled their dopamine hits from abusing and harassing me.
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  Speaker 1: It's too much for them to leave it. So they've
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  Speaker 1: got me struck up, they've got me their DBS listed,
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  Speaker 1: they've got me out of football, and yet they still
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  Speaker 1: come for more. The latest now is arrests. They're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get me arrested. So they're piling into the police
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  Speaker 1: station reporting Dr Cartland is harassing us. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: and sitting through interviews as the harasser, and I'm being
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  Speaker 1: interviewed about harassmers who've arrassed me reporting me for harassment.
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  Speaker 1: Get your head around that. It's just bonkers and absolutely bonkers.
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  Speaker 1: And some of the things that the police are showing
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  Speaker 1: me as evidence of my harassment are pitiful, they're laughable.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, you know, one of the police officers
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  Speaker 1: offered me an image of me talking about my tribunal.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things my tribunal was I banned my
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  Speaker 1: witnesses from speaking. So can you can you imagine that
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  Speaker 1: you're fighting for your career. You go in, you're going
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  Speaker 1: into a tribune or six week hearing for the charges
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  Speaker 1: that I've mentioned, and you've got a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: in your favor. You've got your witnesses, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: your rebuttal. And they're never allowed any of my six
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  Speaker 1: witnesses to speak, not one of them. They said, your
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  Speaker 1: witnesses are inadmissible and irrelevant. Now, each of the witnesses
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  Speaker 1: were selected on purpose, for the fact that they all
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  Speaker 1: had testimony to share. That it was the other way around.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't me, It wasn't me perpetrating Dave Cartland was
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  Speaker 1: the victim. We've seen these doctors attack Dave Cartland. It's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the other way around. And he is unwisely, you know,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: responded to baiting and goading. And I'll put my hand
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: up to that. I have unwisely responded unprofessionally at times.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But come on, is it really when you compare it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to those cases I just mentioned, is it really a striker?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And then they went from a witness statement. I said,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to use your witness statement. You're not
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: allowed to use eighty percent of your own rebuttal see
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: fight in your career.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: How can they accuse you of unprofessionalism right when they
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: are the ones trying to inject people with a toxin.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: That is the epitome of unprofessionalism.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the irony of the fact that I'm now
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: on a safeguarding list banning me from working with children
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and vulnerable adults. For safeguarding vulnerable adults and children. It's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: quite ironic. And I said this to them, you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: in one of the cases, one of the appeals that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I did, I said, look, you know, ultimately you're holding
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: me to account for writing letters not only that you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: haven't seen, but for exempting people. As you put it,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: it was never exempting. It was me supporting their rights
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to say no. But I'm exempting people from taking a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: bioa that's harmful beyond all reasonable doubts. So where's the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: safeguarding risk here? And that's obviously the now sort of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: spewed over into other sanctions. So they didn't just leave
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: it at the will take your career off you. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I'll keep asking myself. I've got asking an interview yesterday,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: why you Why are they coming after you? Why don't
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: they leave you alone? I don't know the answer to that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know why David Cartlan's so important that he
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: can't just be left to live the rest of his life.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: The current thing, as I mentioned, is the police reporting.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They're coordinating openly publicly on ET. We're going to get
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: him arrested, file complaints about him, you know. In subsequence,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: SAARs have found out the FA, we're receiving Football Association,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: we're receiving twenty complaints a week about me, the GBC
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty four. We mentioned, the police are
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: getting endless reports about me, and none of them are
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: being actioned. And my point here is that if you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: getting all these hundreds of reports about me, they're obviously nefarious.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: They're obviously vexatious, malicious reports. They are quite clearly coordinated.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: When are the police from the FA going to get
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the head out of the sand and start comparing notes
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and say, look, you know, we're noticing this guy's getting
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hundreds of reports to pay him, and we're not acting
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: upon them. So they're obviously frivolous with that evidential basis.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm still waiting for the police to help me.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'll get death threats and the police. I had a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: death threat three weeks ago a guy I looked into
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the camera said he's going to kill me. He just
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: looked into the camera. I sent it to the police
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Never had a call since, not had
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a call. You know, I could be stabbed, so, I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: mean one of my trials actually said he was going
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to puncture me. He's going to stand on my grave
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and urinate on it, and he's going to set fire
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to me and put petrol on me. I sent it
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to Devon and Cornwall police. Guess what, They closed the case,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: no further action. It's unlikely that this would happen, just
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: internet threats. We Meanwhile, I'm being interviewed for one of
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the examples they gave was I talked about the editor
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of a local paper and I won't know names, but
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: they handed me a document said did you write this,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and essentially it said, you know, proper journalism should give
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the right to reply. Had this editor given me the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: right to reply? They'd no, I was not allowed my
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: witnesses and my witness statement was heavily redacted. And I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: put hashtag kangaroo cour hashtag hatchet job. And the copper
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: handed me this screenshot and said, this is a death
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: threat to the editor because I put hashtag hatchet job.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: You're issuing a death threat to the editor of the newspaper. Well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: have you not heard of the phrase hatchet job? I'm
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: describing what happened in the tribunal. It's certainly not a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: direct death threat. And this is what they do. It's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: so we've all heard the phrase two tier policing, haven't we.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: This is two tier policing. Then investigate what they want
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to investigate, and they'll ignore what they want to ignore, And.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: What is your crime? Effectively, you don't want people to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: be vaccinated with this ridiculous toxin. That's it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible, isn't it criminal, criminal, and that's it, literally,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know something I've had myself, Like I said, I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a vaccinated anti vaxxer. It's not even about a lot,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a bitiness raieity that you know. I've
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: lived through this, My views have changed. I mean I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was always against it. It wasn't like I took it freely.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It was a gun to my head saying take it
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: or you're going to get sack. In itself a huge,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: huge red flag. You can't take informed consent without giving information,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and you certainly can't get informed and sent if you've
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: got a gun to a patient's head saying if you
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: do not take this job, you will not be able
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to work, you will not be able to travel, you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: will not be able to see your relatives, you'll not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be able to visit hospital, and all for something that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. It didn't even give a small amount of immunity,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you know. And when they were producing these vaccines on mass,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they were basing it on variants. And I'm just going
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: along with the hypothesis that this actually was a real thing,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but it was based upon yester year's variant. So when
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you had your autumn booster it was based upon the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: natural roophand variant, so it was years out of date.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: You cannot produce a vaccine through a coronavirus because it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they rapidly mutake. There's never been a coronamrus facting for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that reason.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: So David, so you you studied in medical school. Do
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you went through the system. How did you change your
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: views on vaccines? For example?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I did two degrees. As you mentioned,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: The first degree looked at science. It was root cause pathophysiology,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you know, why do these things happen to the human body.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The second degree was very different. It was very rote learning.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It was sat in front of a lectrore theater being
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: told this is medicine, this is the human body, this
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is how it works. These are the diagnoses, this is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: how you treat. These are the drugs that you give.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And if that drug doesn't work, you give that drug,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and that drug and that drug. If you get a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: side effects, you use that drug. So it's very much geared.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And often say, you know, the degree is called medicine,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: so what does it empower you to do? Give out medicine? Surprise, surprise,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean you know, all through medical school.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I look back in disgust really acticing doctor for seventeen years,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and I look at some of the things I used
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to do now undertime pressure. You know, as a GP,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you're seeing forty patients a day. That's reduced a little
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: bit recently to about thirty patients then, and you're doing
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: guyn ecology in the same session, you're doing gynecology, neurology,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: bad backs, sick notes, and mental health, and you're change
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in your every ten minutes, and you know you've got
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to get the patient out the room at the end
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of the day of whis you're not going to go home,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So you don't in out drugs. So if someone's a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: bit sad, a bit depressed, their cat died, you started thinking, well,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: what am I going to do here? I can send
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: them for counseling, they might get seen in six years,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you know, or you can give them a drug to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: sedate them, to help them sleep, to make them happier
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to SSR eyes And so you'd end up giving drugs
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm disgusted with the fact that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I never ever did the job I was trying to do,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: which was look at the root cause of an illness
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and fix it, because what doctors do now is they
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: give you a sticking plaster and you've got a bad back,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: pain relief, got a headache, pain relief, you're a bit sad, antidepressant.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And what they don't look at is why is that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: person said? Why is that person got a bad back?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Why are they getting headaches? And as a GP you taught,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you know, take a step back from the patient, look
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at the holistic side of their what are the biopsychosocial
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: factors in their presentation? And you couldn't meet that doctor
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: because if you were, you would be you know, you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: wouldn't go home, You certainly won't have a lunch break.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But when did it change for me? Just lived experience,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, when I was sat in my one and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: only immunology lecture at medical school one Now I did
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a whole year in immunology in my first degree. Which
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is why my knowledge of the vaccine is a bit
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: more superior than a doctor, because I don't want a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: lecture at medical school and the lecture pretty much goes
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the same as vaccines are safe, vaccines are effective vaccines
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to save millions and millions of lives from avoidable transmissible
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: disease jab jab jab the kids, and I remember the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: finger wagging at the front of the lex daughter. If
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you say anything against vaccines, you will be wakefielded. You
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: will be waiting. I remember the praise and literally wagging
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the finger. You'll be wakefielding. Since replace that now with
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you'll be cartlanded. You know, if you get you speak out,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you will be cartlanded. And that's that's what they've done
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: with me, that's mine. They've had to make sure that
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: this is a zero tolerance to me speaking out vaccines themselves.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It comes down to what we don't know about them.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So a very common question I get asked from people
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: who can sult me through my health coaching is what
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: do I do now I've lived through the COVID era.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's I've lost trust in the profession. What do we
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: do about these children's vaccines? Because I'm confused and I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: lost trust in the profession. And it all comes down
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: very simply to what's in the vaccine. So when you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: think about what a vaccine does, it really should just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: be a small amount of the benign capsid of a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: bacteria or nuclear capsid of a virus with saline and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: put in your arm, and that's something like meninger cock
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: or acwy. I'm not against that because it's a little
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: bit of the sugars from the acwy a some min
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: ninja cockup with saleine no added extras. But when you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: look at what they give to children, not only are
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they given so many jabs, they're giving a six in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: one and another one and another one to eight antigens
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in one sitting, repeating it a month later, repeating it
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: again a month later. They're vaccinating for things like hepatitis B.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Why are they vaccinating children with hepatitis bit? It's absolutely insane.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So it's the hitting the immune system hard with multiple attagens,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and then it's the added extras. The big issue for
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: me is when you look at the ingredients list, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: this was never I was never invited to as to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: looked at the ingredients list of a vaccine. You know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: it's very much what's the word I'm thinking about, nurses
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: do the vaccines now, so it's kind of like subcontracted
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: out to nursing stuff. So doctors actually don't get involved
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with vaccines now. So all of the vaccination of all
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the children at various stages of the life is nurse led,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: so that doctors don't really know. And when you look
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: at the ingredients list and you find out there's preservative,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: an adjuvant called aluminium hydroxide polyethal glycar polysorbate, you see
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: how the vaccines are developed in human embryos, aborted FETA cells,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: cell lines from aborted human embryonic kidney cells. And so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: even that, ethically speaking and practically speaking, raises question. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the point is, and the very important point is, we
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: simply do not know where those chemicals go. So if
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you ask your vaccinating nurse, could you tell me you know?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And this is the scenario that I tell people that
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: come to me. So go to your nurse. So I'm
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely happy to have my son or daughter vaccinated with
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: this plethora of jabs, as long as you tell me
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the following Where does the aluminium hydroxide go, what's the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: biodistribution of the aluminium hydroxid? Where's it going the body? Secondly,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: does it have any carcinogenetic carcinogenic potential? Does it cause cancer?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Does it have any reproductive toxicity associated with it? Does
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it affect your fertility? In other words, and you know
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: The answer to that is they don't know. So imagine
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: me coming up to you, and so I've got an
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: injection here to give to your little son his company's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: jobs today. It's got some alumin in my drox side
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in it. Haven't got a clue if it causes cancer,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not a clue where it goes in the body, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I certainly don't know if it's going to affect his
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: future facility. You're happy for me to proceed with the job.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: You'd have to be insane, wouldn't you to say yes
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: at that point? And that's the fact. And so this
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: has turned my world upside down. And then you look
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at other drugs. You look at ssry's, look at Statin's,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: look at opiates, Benzo's, all the drugs that you're giving
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: out frequently, and then you realize, looking back, you were
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: just a farmer's shell. You were just a pimp for
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: big farmer, handing out their drugs like smarties, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and plastering over symptoms. You're a symptom manager, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and you weren't able to manage the illness. Every single
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: symptom has an origin, has a pathophysiology, and unless you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: address that, you're not going to win. You're not going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to make the person better, which is what a doctor's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: job is sweet, you know, And.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's actually a good point, David. What is the purpose
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of a doctor, well to say that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, make the person better. I mean the headline should
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: be I mean as a GP. There's different sorts of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: doctor obviously, so it's to guide somebody from ill health,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: disease to good health, and that is a multi faceted approach.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Doctors very focused on a drug. So if you've got
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: symptom A and B, need drug to make symptoms go away.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Whereas I was taught as a doctor, you know, when
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a person comes in for their ten minutes ten minute appointment,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to ask an open question at the start,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: so you say hi, and missus Jones, how can I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: help you today? And then you give them the floor
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: for a minute or two. Then your job is to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: ask closed questions to work out what of the differential
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: diagnosis is most likely? Is that headache of brain tumor?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You know, so you ask do you have blurd vision,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you have memory issues, do you have weakness? Et cetera,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: et cetera, And then you have to then this is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: all in ten minutes. You then have to address it
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: from the patient's biological perspective. So the pain hurts, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: how does that affect you psychologically? How does that affect
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you socially? How does it affect you, does it effect work,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: does it affect your care, etc. And then another step,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: this is another thing docs have to do all in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: ten minutes, is you have to then consider what the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: patient's ideas, concerns, and expectations are from that console. So
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you may come in it might have a completely normal
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: tension headache, but they've googled it and they've realized that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: they could have a brain tumor. Now, unless the doctor
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: does the right you know that you've got to reassure
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the patient that the tumor, it's not a likely diagnosis
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: based upon your history, your examination. But if the patient
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: walks out the room and you haven't addressed their ideas
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that it was a brain tumor and reassured them otherwise,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: then you haven't done your job and they'll just keep
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: coming back. It's false economy. They just keep coming back
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to a different doctor. All of this, and so doctors
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: are kind of like, they find it difficult that I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: found it difficult in ten minutes, and I always got
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: told I was a mowner because I asked some more
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: time in my patients to do all of those things,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: as well as obviously writing notes. So at the end
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: write the notes up in a way that if in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: ten years time you get sued, it's a medical legally,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: contemporaneous and all in ten minutes. So yeah, to answer
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a question, what does the doctor do, it should heal?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: They should heal the patient in front of them, not
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: just the disease itself, but the context and the disease
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in their arm.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I asked that question because you're right, today everything
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: is about getting everything done in ten to fifteen minutes.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: A century ago, doctors would go to people's houses. They
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: grew up with the family and spent years with the family.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They knew the people that they worked with. Today's it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: just a business transaction.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Very much. And it goes right back to why I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: became a doctor. So when you do your foundation years,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: you think, well, am I going to be a surgeon?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Am I going to be an orthopedic doctor? I'm glad
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I never chose that, by the way, and then you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: know I chose to be a generalist because I kind
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of wanted to know a bit about everything. And part
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of that sort of fascination with it was thinking back
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to the doctor when I was a kid. That doctor
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you just mentioned, the doctor that knew the family, knew
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the context, you know, knew knew everything about the patient.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's almost like a lottery when if
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you see the same doctor twice now but following your
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: patient up. So when you see a patient and I
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: have a number one encounter with them, it'd be quite
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: nice to see how they got on whatever intervention you did,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice to follow them up. It doesn't happen
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in real life. So the actual start reality of being
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a general practitioner is you get forty random people come
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and see your day in doubt, and you haven't got
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a bloody clue how they ended up, So you don't
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: know if your intervention works or not. So it's way
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: way removed from what it was back in the day
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: when the doctor the family Doctor's why they were called
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: family physicians. They knew the family, they knew the ground,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they knew the aunty you know so and so Brazil
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: they need to call, you know which neighbor to call?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: To help fill in, and it's so far removed now
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to a it's a convey about a convey about a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: box ticking drugs, get the patient out. You're just focusing
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: on getting the patient out of the room. Else you
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: don't get a lunch break. And then your lunch break anyway,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you're out off doing home visits, so you don't get
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a break anyway. So I'm so glad. I'm really I
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: keep saying about the strike up, it was a blessing
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: because you know, my whole career was unhappy in terms
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of the stress levels, not feeling like I've ever achieved
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: anything with patients, realizing very quickly into my career that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I was just a drug pusher. And it takes a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: lot to look back and say that. But now with
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: my heuth coaching, I get an hour and a half,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: two hours, three hours with the patient, all them what
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you wish, and I get to hear the full context
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of their problems, and in doing so, you're here, you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you get to fix them, and you feel like you've
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: achieved at the end of the two hour session. And
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: there's something I never achieved as a doctor, just you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day you go home and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: reset for the next day. The next convey of that. See,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I'm really pleased. I mean, the plan was always to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: get to get through the tribune or win. Obviously win
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: because there was no reason to struck me up and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: then to mic drop and say sticky medical license where
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the sun doesn't shine. Unfortunately, it didn't happen that way,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and they erased me and called me a dangerous dangerous.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Well, dangerous individuals like you are my favorite kind of individuals.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still I don't know how I'm dangerous. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. I look at some of the headlines. So obviously,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: after the strikeoff happened, the media got involved, and so
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you know, my face was plastered across mainstream media, local media,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the local newspaper double paid spreads reckless, dangerous, bully, internet
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: pest to name but a few. It's so ironic that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm an Internet pest while being abused online day in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: day out. That's seriously abused. There we go.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: You've got a background in football, and you mentioned you
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to say something about football.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the collateral damage. So to sort of cut
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a long story short, the GMC, once they strike you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: off for certain things and barely mind have mentioned a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: whole list of doctors that haven't been struck off and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: continue to practice. What they have to do is they
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: have to inform what was called the digit the Criminal
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Records Bureau. So the Criminal Records Bureau is what it
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: says on the tin. It's a check. So if you're
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: employing David Cartland in the future at a pub, for example,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you need to check that Dave Carton isn't a criminal,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So you run his name through a check and the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Criminal Records Bureau will flag up if Dave Carton's a criminal,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: as in found guilty of a crime, convicted and found
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: guilty by a judge and jury. That was slightly rehashed.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It became the criminal DBS Disclosure Barring Service. Something to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: do with Ian Huntley and his job as a caretaker.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: What's murdering people? Long story short, it was morphed into
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: criminals but also people who harmed demonstrably vulnerable adults and children.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So the only way you end up on that list
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: criminal or harmed a child or harmed a vulnerable adult.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So I get a letter on Halloween called a Minded
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to bar letter saying, Dutgartland, we've been passed on your
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: case from the GMC. You were found guilty of harassment,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and you were found guilty of falsifying medical notes, flouting
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: international policy and rules at the time of a worldwide pandemic.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That's the wording of the letter. We are now going
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to consider whether we should bar you from working with
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: children and vulnerable adults for the rest of your life.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So barely might have just been struck off. I've lost
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: my career of seventeen years, ten years training all I've
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: ever wanted to be, all I know how to be,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and then you get this letter dropped through on Halloween.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: And the reason that how that is it because it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: becomes directly relevant to the football. So the DBS, they
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: give you a chance to appeal. I'll put in ten references.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'll put in a sterling skeleton argument to say, look,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I haven't committed a crime, I'm not safeguarding risk. There's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: no children involved, so why are you considering this. Eight
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: weeks later, they completely ignored all submissions and put me
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: on the barred list, saying we think that you are
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a risk to children and vulnerable adults. We're banning you
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: from working with vulnerable adults and kids for the rest
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of your life some sanction, some sanction, and the reason
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: they said it, And I have to read this out
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: very carefully, and I'll sometimes read it live on air
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: because people don't believe it, because if you're being put
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: on a bard list for children, people quite understandably think
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that you've harmed a child or done something to a child.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And so anyway, so the reason they gave was, doctor Cartland,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you were found to flo out international policy and break
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: rules during a pandemic period, allowing your own ideas and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: opinions to overall said international policy. If in the future
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you were faced with a child safeguarding policy that you
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: do not agree with, you may allow your own ideas
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and opinions to overall said policy, in which case that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: would present a risk to a child. So we're going
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to ban you from working with children forever. So this
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: whole notional risk of something that's never happened currently in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the past in my professional career, personal life, refereeing career,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they're holding me to a cap for something I've not done.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You broke a rule there, so you might break a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: rule in the future. Every human's broke a rule, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the irony is My job as a referee, as will
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: come on too now, is to keep the rule on
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the pitch. There's twenty two blokes breaking rules all through
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a match. My job is to keep them from kicking
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: each other and keeping to the laws of the game.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Sweet irony. So yeah, I was a football manager. I
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: was looking into my coaching badges. I am a football
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: man through and through. I live, breathe love it absolutely
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, I know people say bread and circus
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: is and all that stuff, but it's just something that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: distracts me from the stress of life. And so took
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: up my knees, gave up a year and a half ago,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: couldn't play anymore. Forty three hour retired and I thought,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: how am I going to stay involved with football? And
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I became a referee. And it's interesting because when you
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: go to the ref's course, they say do you want
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to do kids football or not? If you don't want
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to do kids football, you just go and have a coffee.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: If you do do kids football, you have to fit
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in a DBS form criminal record check to check that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you're not a wrong gun. And so the point of
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the matter is is that you don't need a DBS
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: check to be a footballer, to referee open age football,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: which is men's over eighteen. Now there are occasionally you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: younger players step up to under eight over eight and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: open age football veterans and super veterans which by definition's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: thirty five year olds fifty year olds. So you've got
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: older blokes on the pitch merrily enjoying my refereeing career,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: got promoted, enjoying my time. I've refereed sixty four matches
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: this season up until mid February. I told the FA
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that I was on the DBS list and this may
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: or may not happen. They really did support me. They
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: didn't think it was possible. You haven't committed a crime day,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: so it's unlikely they're going to put you on this list.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Sadly they did, and that decision filtered its way through
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to Devon and Cornwall's FA, and on the very same
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: day of receiving it, they wrote a letter to me
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: suspending me from all of football for six months. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they gave me an interim suspension for six months now.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: They listed what I can and can't do under that suspension,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and they said things like, you can't referee any football,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: You can't volunteer in football, even running the line you're
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: not allowed to play football now. I just signed up
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to a mental health football team for my own mental health,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: to get out there, to mix with blokes and to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: play football on a Wednesday, very relaxed football team. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I remember the day before I was about to play.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I was playing on the Wednesday. I got the call
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so you can't play. They also said I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: not allowed to take my son's friends to football training.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: To parents who give me their trust and know me
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: allow me to take their children to football training on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a Thursday evening, we do it on a rotor basis.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: FA said you're not allowed to take other people's children
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: to training. They said you're not allowed to do online
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: modules keeping up to date with the laws of the game.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: None of this is linked in any way to the barring.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: The barring is very specific. I'm only allowed, I'm not allowed. Sorry,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I'm barred from unsupervised regulated activity. So that means if
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I was to take a session of coaching of young
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: kids on my own, I'm barred from that as it stands.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: As it stands, and we're looking at overturning this again
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at the expense of a High Court judicial review and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: so banning me from things that I'm not barred from.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: What's that about. You know, parents trusts me to take
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: their kid to football, then that's got bogger all to
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: do with the FA. I've just been banned from going
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to the conference. As a conference every year in Cornwall,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: all the refs get together. It's really good for just
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: sharing war stories and you know, issues and getting up
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to day. There's some celebrity referee coming to speak to us,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and I got told to stay away. And anyone who's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: asking any questions about my situation with Cornwall FA, I've
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: been warned to stay away, don't get involved here, don't
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: let this goes up, this goes high, don't get involved.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I don't ask questions about Dove Cartlan situation. They're being
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: warned friendly warnings at the moment. And so yeah, I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: am banned from football and it was only this week
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: just gone. I've got to appeal the suspension which ends
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: on the ninth of August, so I'm still banned. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was looking forward to I've got fit, I've lost a
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: load of weight, ready for the new season, hoping that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: sanity will prevail. And I sat in the fas hearing
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday just gone. Those they just gone and I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: faced off against two FA cases, senior elite sports cases.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: These are one was a High court barrister and one
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was a magistrates barrister and a Crown court barrister. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: they're involved in elite sports Premier League football, Premiership rugby,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: top end and they're coming into a case to discuss
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: should there Cartland have his suspension lifted from refereeing the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: grassroots level football in the Cornwall pub leagues And anyway,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: they brought in with them two safeguarding experts who were
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: career social workers who have an expertise in child safeguarding,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: hoping at that point there's some sanity given that there
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: are no children involved. I keep getting emails from the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: FA from their child safeguarding team and guard so where
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the children come into this? And anyway, they sat, they listened.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: We asked the obvious questions, why be banning from things
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that he's not barred from. You can't stop him from playing,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Why can't he do veterans football? There might any under
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: eight teams there? And they listened and they seemed to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: be taking what I said, you know, plenty of nods
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: from the people listening. They went out convened and came
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: back after ten minutes and upheld the suspension. I remained
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: suspended from all the football. Now, you've got to one
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of the things we did in the hearing was read
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: out for footballers who've done time in prison. So there's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a whole list of Premier League footballers, Championship footballers that
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: have done a year two years in prison for various crimes.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: They're not on the DBS list, They're not banned from football.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: They actively coach in and around men's and children's football.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yet I'm banned from all the football and I've done
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: no time. I've not been charged with the crime I'm not.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not a criminal. Yeah, I mean, this is so
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: far overreaching now, and you know what if I want
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to appeal, I mean, what they're going to do is
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: eventually ban me for the rest of my life. So
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: not only lost my career, I've lost I'm on a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: criminal list despite no crime, a list that has people
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: that have harmed children of bungble adults, despite me not
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: doing that. I'm then banned from football, my life blood
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. For nothing to do
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: with football. There's not a football related incident in it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And I'd saying to them, all safeguarding risk, where what
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what what do you think I'm going to do on
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a football pitch? Now you understand it. If you're a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: pediphile or a criminal that's harmed children and abuse children,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you understand that, you understand the sanction. But the word children,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: child and minor wasn't used once in any of the tribunal.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, that was a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: medical tribunal to look at, is doctor Davey Carton fit
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: to practice medicine? And they ruled against that, and I said,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you're not fit to practice medicine. As wild as mad
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: as that is, that's the ruling. It's got absolutely bugger
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: all to do with football. And I took that away,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and that was my distraction. That was my fitness, that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: was my mental health. As annoying as it was to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: be swore at by a bunch of twenty two overweight
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: footballers thinking they're Christiana Ronaldo on a Saturday afternoon, it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: still fun. I enjoyed it, and it was my distraction
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: from all of this that's gone on. And I just
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: can't get my head around it. I just don't know
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: what to do next. Because to appeal the lifelong band
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it's thousands and thousands of pounds, you know. The GMC
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: quoted twenty grand to appeal after I've just been struck off.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And if you lose your PAYGM sees costs second day,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you get a chance to judicial review, you get a
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: three month window. They wanted fifty grand to open up
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a High court judicial review. DBS has cost me ten
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: grands so far to get a solicitor and a barrister
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to overturn a decision that shouldn't have been made, a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: decision that somebody somewhere signed off and put my name
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: amongst criminals. And then the FA you're looking at, I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: mean I've googled. It's somewhere between fifty two hundred thousand.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And you don't defeat the FA. The FA don't lose.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: The FA make the rules and we sit it with
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the World Cup, you know, they they make the rules up.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm never going to win that. But you need
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to be a millionaire to fight for justice.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Have you got kids?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got four children. Yeah, family man. Christian worldview
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a pretty nice guy. I'd say, although I say so myself.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Pretty quiet life down in Cornwall. I love it, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and things have had to change. Obviously, I've had to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: cut my accordingly. But yeah, the kids, the kids kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of know what's gone on, and she's going to try
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and keep it away from npthic and they know daddy's
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: not a doctor anymore. Yeah, just yeah, good family man.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And then I think about that when they take your
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: six six figure salary away and you know, put your
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: name through the newspapers every other week, and the local
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: paper they put out ten or eleven newspaper articles about
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: me in two or three weeks. They're at a hit
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: piece about me being homophobic in the middle of Pride,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and they put it out double paid spread inside the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: warped mind of Cornwall's own dodgy doctor Davy Cartland and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: his homophobia. So they went through and I would suggest
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: anyone looks that up. And they went through all of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: my Twitter and they found things that they felt were homophobic.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: A I'm not homophobic. I've got a position on the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: transagender that most people have, even gays and lesbians have
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the same views.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, name the d dancing we wed wed
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: wad a man comb be a woman and a woman
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: called me a man. It's that simple.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Well, and the funny because one of the first things
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I did when I became a referee, I got hauled
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: in front of Cornwall FA because I tweeted these words.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I said, I do not believe that trans women should
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: compete in contact and combat sports with biological women. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: got hold in into what this is transphobic. I just
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: watched the boxer in the Olympics beat the hell out
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: of a woman to the point where the coach HAPs
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to throw the toweling in the first round. And this bloke,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: as it turned out to be, you know, knocking women
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: out and everyone's rejoicing because of the you know, it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: all very inclusive. It was a man beating up a woman,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: which used to be something quite terrible. Naked men dancing
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and twerking around children used to be a safeguarding concern.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Now it's not if you post anything about it. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we've just seen it with Frank Pride last week in London.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: There were naked men splashing their micro penises around children
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm speaking out of it and I'm the problem.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: It's like if I walked outside now naked, there'd be
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of laugh there. But aside from that, it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a criminal offense. You know, it's indecent exposure, except if
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you've got That's the thing that it's not about sexuality anymore.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And a lot of gay people agree with me on this,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: is that it's not about sexuality and visibility and equality,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: et cetera. No one would disagree with that. It's men
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: in fetish war gympsuits, you know, dressing up as dogs.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: That's a fetish, calling themselves fairies, and now kids a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: bit of becoming fairies. We've got a whole generation of
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: people thinking they're dogs. They're not even born in the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: wrong body now, they're born in the wrong species. Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: But David, the thing that also bags me a lot
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: about this whole, this whole conversation is they say you're homophobic.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Let's just say that is the case, or eur racist
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: or your sexist or whatever. Okay, So what are you
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: not allowed to hold an opinion on something?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean some of them are protected, aren't they.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: And again they ignore the certain protections out there are
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: gender critical theory, there's a Christian worldview, so they have
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: to be very careful. It's quite funny though, because the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: FA the week after they had me, they ratified the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: decision of the Supreme Court that biological sex is biological sex.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: There's two of them, and the Lawn Tennis Association and
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the England Cricket Board agreed on the same week as
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the FA that there are two sexes. So it's kind
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of told you so moment really there. But yeah, like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I say, run thing, you know what, So what's got
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: an opinion on anything? It's an opinion. It's different if
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you go around and abuse people or their sexuality. That's wrong,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you know. But you know, and I always say, what
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. But you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it's the levels of indecency, you know. Our posted images
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and one of the things GMC found me guilty of
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was that I had the hostile in inverted commerce to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus community and posted images where children were
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: in the background of men with suits clad with sex toys,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: men feigning masturbation on a sex toy in public with
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: children in the background, men with sex toys inserted into
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: orifices in public with children in the background, and the
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: GMC basically accumulated that evidence of Cartland's hostile to the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus community. No, I'm calling out indecency in public
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: in front of children, which used to be a safeguarding concern,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: but not in twenty twenty six. That's where we're at.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: So waiting now for you.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, good question. I wake up every day wondering. So,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm fighting for the justice. I'm trying
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to get the DBS overturned. You know that there's going
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: to be I mean, they take ages. You know, it's
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: been six months now that I've been banned. You know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and when you go for jobs, even minimum wage jobs,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: driving jobs, quite fancy and dry, having job over Christmas.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: So I applied to Yodel and Amazon and or they
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: be nice to tootle around core More in my car
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: dropping our packages. Now, then he did nance DBS check.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Then I go for scientific jobs and they'll see my
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: name and they'll say, oh, it's that crazy doctor Cartland.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: We don't want to employ him in our lab, even
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: though he's got two first class honors degrees. So yeah,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to navigate that. Really, I'd like to
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: get my referee in back hopefully if there's some sanity
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in the world, I'll say, well there is no risk here,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: at least let him do his veterans and super vetine play.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I'll run a health coaching health coaching website now, so
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of things I do there literally is what
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: it as on the tint. I coach people to get
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: back to help, whether that's dietary, nutritionally, whether it's supplements,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: whether it's an issue that they need some help and
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: support with navigating the NHS. And the second aspect of
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it is what called health advocacy. So there's a lot
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: of people who've lost trust in the profession now and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they come to me because they're either going into an
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: appointment and they really want to know what to expect,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: what questions to ask, what should the outcomes be, Or
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: they've been in a consert and had bad service, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: they'll come to me after and say, look, had this
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: ignorant doctor I went in with this, that and the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: other is completely ignored me gas lit me told me
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I'm mental, am I, and so I'll give my opinion.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: So it's a kind of health advocacy, and part of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: that is actually looking at people's health care that they've
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: received and saying were there any errors, were there any
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: mishaps here that should have been avoided, and help empower
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: them to get good healthcare, which shouldn't really have to do.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But so that's going well. I'm doing interviews at the moment,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: me as the interviewee, but also I do interviews of people.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So I just flash up my mug now, so it's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: good done, breaking the silence the conversations. So that's my
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel and substacks, and I interview NHS whistleblowers, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: interview vaccine injured and it's been quite successful. So I'm
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: just and I'm hoping somebody somewhere just offers me a job.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I'll do anything, you know, I've to do some farming,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I'll do some fishing whatever. I'm willing to do anything.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I'm willing and able. But I just need someone to
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: take a chance on this evil doctor.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Would you go back to the medical profession?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean, this is the thing I was
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: always going to walk away after I've said from the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: very beginning, even during the tribunal, I couldn't work amongst
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: these people. You know, there were issues towards the end anyway,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: So I was working at a surgery where all three
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: nurses had heart problems after the vaccine, my pericarditis or
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: variations there are, and they absolutely said we're not going
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to have any more vaccines, absolutely not, and that they'd
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: all had two each, and they were vaccinating kids with
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine. So the same to people who are
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: flat refusing to have it themselves. We're giving it to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: children and pregnant women. How can I work amongst these demons?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And that's what they are, are the demons, because if
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you're willing to jab something that you now know is harmful,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I had doctors in the coffee room telling
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: me we will not jab our children. We were not
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: under our roof jab children. The next day, as I
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: mentioned the jab atuire earlier, they send the staff down
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to vaccinate your children. How can I work amongst these people?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I just get into so much trouble. If I was
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: back in the back in the NHS, the National harm
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Service as I call it now, and every day I'm
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: reading have another calamity in the NHS, another patient failure,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: another you know, death that could have been avoided, another mishap.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have the blood on my hands. Really,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and these people they are seeing vaccine injury. That's the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: big one now. And these people don't go to the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: doctors anymore. They come to speak to me because the
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: doctors don't listen. They took the trust of their doctor.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: They took the jab They got sick, they go to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the doctor and ask what's going on in my body?
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: And they get abandoned gas lit told them mentally unwell,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: referred to psychiatry. This is every case almost that I see.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: They've got the same story. They took the trust and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: spat in the face the doctors. How do these doctors
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: sleep at night? You know? I couldn't sleep at night
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: if I knew that I jabbed pregnant women and children
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: with COVID genetic bio weapons, simple as that. You know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: how can you work amongst them? And cowards? Cowards? Cowards?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Have you been injured by the vaccine?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't class myself as vaccine injured. I had some
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: symptoms that led to my interest in vaccine injury. I
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: had the first job and I was in bed for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: three days. Violent headaches, nothing more than that, just violent,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like my head was being shook like an electric bolt.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Through my head. It was something quite surreal because I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: don't get headaches, and after that nothing. After the second
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: one it was a little bit more of slow burn.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: So I pride myself on my photographic memory, although I'm
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: getting a bit older than I used to be, so
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: it's not as sharp as it used to be. Quite
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a sharp brain, you know, to deal with forty patients
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: every day, five a week, you've got to be quite sharp.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And what I've noticed about three months after the second job,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: i'd start to get mental fatigue, inexplicable mental fatigue, brain
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: FuG memory issues. And I was doing interviews like this
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and I would be asked a question and I couldn't process,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: and it happened on a live interview, you know. Once
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I was doing I can't remember what it was with now,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't get my words out, and it was
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: really quite scary. I'd go to the shop for three
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: items and I'd have to ring my wife and say,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I've gone for bread and milk and something
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: else and I'll forget what I've gone for. So yeah,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: memory issues, And that's when I really got deep into detox.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: How do you detox this spike protein? What does the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: job actually do, because even when I took it, no
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: one told me. They called it a vaccine, you know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was a mRNA based gene
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: injection that bio distributes across your entire body and it
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't turn off. Unfortunately, we're seeing now people producing antibodies
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: to the mRNA and jew spike protein that they had
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: five years ago, producing antibodies in the thousands, So scary.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Why would they be producing antibodies to something that was
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: injected four or five years ago. But yeah, I reversed
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: it quite quickly, luckily. And you've got to look at
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: kind of what does the smoke protein do in the body.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: It's a toxin, you know, they're basically in a nutshell
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: making your human cell make a non human protein. And
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: if no one can hypothesize that that's not going to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: cause biological carnage, that's what it does. It causes immune
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: system damage. It causes blood clots, macro and microvascular blood plots.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You know, we've seen some of the funeral directors pointing
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: out these big strings of white app people's blood vessels
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: post mortar. It causes autoimmunity, it causes inflammation, it causes cancer,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: It causes protein deposition, pryon disease, call it what you wish.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: The proteins deposit in people's tissue. And there was that guy,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't it Professor Arna Burkhardt, who was doing the post
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: mortem just before he got bumped off, I presume bumped
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: off because he was doing post mortems on people's brains, hearts,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: and testicles of men that had dropped down dead suddenly
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and found that their hearts, brains, and testicles were impregnated
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: with plaques of spike protein that he'd stained brown with
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: immuna histo chemistry and low and be hard. As he's
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: doing this research, he's then drowned, tragically drowned. Would you
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: believe it? Like many of the other whistleblowers, scary stuff,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: scary stuff, And the problem is that if you don't
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: look for it, you don't find it. So most of
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the doctors were just barned or refuse to accept it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: We're baffled. We haven't got a blue what's causing this
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: constellation of random symptoms, but we know one thing for certain,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: definitely not the vaccine. They why would they admit that?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Why would they admit that it was the vaccine, and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: they've been jabbing man, woman and child, even unborn children,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: because we know it cross it's the placenter. I remember obstricians.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: One of the obstricians who was my victim went pubablic
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: said the vaccine was one hundred percent long term in pregnancy.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: How can you make such a statement. And I called
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: this person out, and I got called a bully, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I got called a spreader of misinformation. And all I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: did was ask this woman, where's your data? Because when
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I checked last pregnant women were excluded from clinical trials.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: So where's your data of safety? Not only safety, one
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: hundred percent safety, long term, long term, which hasn't happened yet.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And I asked her to send me the data or
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I'll report her to the GMC. The GMC found me
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: guilty of threatening retaliatory action towards a female that's in
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the tribunal determination. I sent a polite email asking where
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: your data is. I'll show you mine, you show me yours,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: as it were mental times. No, that's sort of ever
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: championed evidence based practice. So he said earlier, what do
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: doctors do? That's another nuances. You've got to back what
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you do, and what you say and what you've diagnosed
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: with evidence, how's you're just making it up? And that's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: what I ever asked. I said, showing me the evidence,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: because I've got a phone full of files and files
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and files of data from around the world, publications, peer
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: review journals, all saying that their vaccines are bad for
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: various different reasons. But there's thousands now, there's thousands of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: case reports, thousands of case series, thousands of you know,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: respective studies now looking and following people up. It's just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: bad on every level. It's bad, whether it's the heart
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: or cancer or clocks. And I saw this in real time.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: You can imagine sat in a Cornish practice and people
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: coming into you saying, O had that jab yesterday and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not well. I feel really sick, and They've been
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to see other doctors, and the doctors are telling them
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's long COVID. No, no, no, it's not. The vaccine
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that you had yesterday is long COVID from that infection
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you never knew you had because you never had symptoms.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: This was a real case had a stroke the day
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: after the vaccine, and the stroke was due to asymptomatic
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: long COVID, and he told me, well, you can't prove
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: it's the vaccine, whilst telling us she's got long covid. Well,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: where's your proof power? You know, it's just making it up.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: This long COVID is a fits everything, doesn't It covers
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: a multitude of sins?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Well, David, how can I follow your work?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Well, there's very few platforms now, Like I say, I've
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: just been kicked off Twitter. I lost three hundred and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: thousand followers. I on YouTube and typing Davecartany to YouTube,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Instagram that's kind of taken up the mantle from Twitter.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: That's growing quickly Instagram, Facebook, because I'm a substack is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: breaking the silence of conversation. So looking at doing some
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: more interviews after this week, concentrating on getting this out,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: really this story, because I want some public outrage. To
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: be honest, I want some publicity on it. Because you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: just cancel a person, that's what they've done here. Yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: but yeah, that's where you find me. It's just beware
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: when you google my name. I don't believe anything you read.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: It's not particularly a good thing to do. Google David Cartland.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: All right, well, David Cortland, thank you, for joining me
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: in the drenches.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: No thanks for having me. It's it's been good to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to share the story, albeit it's it's a bit of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: a tear jerker mhm.