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Vick's Flicks, Ep. 184: 'Disclosure Day' and the Sci-fi Genre · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: shot himself Brandon big brainon how you doing today, My man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, not too bad. I'm exhausted. I just dragged a
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  Speaker 2: mattress from my garage through the front door.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, entire a one man job too, huh.
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  Speaker 2: That's the problem. You work from home. That wife thinks
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  Speaker 2: you got you got an abundance of time.
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  Speaker 1: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: She will actually text me that it's coming today when
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  Speaker 2: it gets here and then tells me to go get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. I get the same thing, and it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of something, lady.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I work for Amazon
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  Speaker 2: because I'll get it and then like I'll take a
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  Speaker 2: picture and send it to her, like to show that
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  Speaker 2: it's been picked up. But yeah, we did some rearrangement
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  Speaker 2: and my son who's three, has a big boy bed
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  Speaker 2: and so we needed a mattress for our spare our
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  Speaker 2: spare room. So that's what uh, that's what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: I love the time ago. I know, right be an.
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  Speaker 2: Adult, I wish I could just do movies about aliens
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  Speaker 2: and when I'm eighty years old.
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  Speaker 1: The best part about it is when it's raining and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that my wife has ordered something, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't get because I don't get the notifications if
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  Speaker 1: something's been delivered, and then if I'm in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of something like I don't My wife hates that I
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  Speaker 1: do this, but I don't always have my phone on me.
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  Speaker 1: Like you could ask me at any given moment to
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  Speaker 1: look something up, and I'll be like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where my phone's at. It's around the house somewhere, But
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  Speaker 1: I I try actively to be as glued to my
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  Speaker 1: phone as little as possible. If I'm in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a task, I'm not going to see the text message.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's raining outside and then I'll I'll find
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  Speaker 1: my phone and just kind of check to make sure
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  Speaker 1: nothing's blown up, and it's like, hey, did you get
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  Speaker 1: the package? And then I realized that a box has
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  Speaker 1: been sitting on our stoop because we don't have a
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  Speaker 1: covered porch out front drenched. Yeah, so I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, better communication? And now we've got a
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  Speaker 1: good system where if something is to be expected that day,
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  Speaker 1: she'll let me know in the morning so that I
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  Speaker 1: don't because I you know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna say, like she leaves post it notes.
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  Speaker 1: No, I just I try to the The longer that
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  Speaker 1: we've been doing this, Brandon, the more I've realized how
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  Speaker 1: harmful an addictive social media can be. Yeah, so I try.
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  Speaker 1: I try to stay off my phone, but sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: bites me in the ass when my wife actually needs
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  Speaker 1: me for something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should do better, I'm I'm it's a work
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  Speaker 2: in progress. But I really try when my son is
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  Speaker 2: home to not be on it, or like I'll go
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  Speaker 2: around the corner because I'll have it maybe sitting on
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  Speaker 2: a table, and I like i'll check something, or if
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  Speaker 2: I'm expecting, like especially if I'm expecting an email and
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking they're going to get back to me today,
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  Speaker 2: or like the roofing company's supposed to be an invoice.
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  Speaker 2: Like I just find myself checking it a lot. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not even some social media because really it's all
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  Speaker 2: it's it's really all the same shit. I don't I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even get notifications anymore, Like it used to be
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  Speaker 1: that you would log into Facebook and Twitter and Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and you would actually like hear from your friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh and that's good.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's so it's not even useful anymore. Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't even in touch with people. I'm I'm chatting on
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  Speaker 1: Slack or I'm texting people or something like that. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's just I.
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  Speaker 2: Will say every now and then you get that jold
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  Speaker 2: of adrenaline because the other day I had shared some
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  Speaker 2: pictures if I'm from our visit at cheek Wood here
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  Speaker 2: in Nashville, and cheek would commented on it and liked
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  Speaker 2: it and retweeted it. Man, I I signed off of
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  Speaker 2: work for like ten minutes so I could sit down
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  Speaker 2: and take a breather.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't felt that rush and quite
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  Speaker 1: some time. But I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Or if the Bell Court likes something and they retweet.
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  Speaker 1: It, yeah, it's Unfortunately I canceled my podcast about social
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  Speaker 1: media and business marketing and digital media, so I will
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  Speaker 1: see I'm out of the game. I'm out of the
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  Speaker 1: game a little bit. Yeah, I'm I'm happier for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sleeping better at night too. By the way, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you're really it does have such a profound effect
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  Speaker 2: on people, and this is people. This is like we're
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  Speaker 2: forty year old men. I can't imagine being fifteen, sixteen
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  Speaker 2: and being told like, hey, you really don't like this
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  Speaker 2: isn't real. Yeah, it's really, It's just not real.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. I know. You and I had a
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  Speaker 1: good discussion about all of this stuff before we went
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  Speaker 1: to see Disclosure Day, which is what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about here today. Disclosure Day, Steven Spielberg and
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  Speaker 1: the broader sci fi genre as a whole, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's like, I don't know, you you get to
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  Speaker 1: a point where it just things have changed so much
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  Speaker 1: from when we started doing this that it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: hard to see the benefit of it anymore. And the
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  Speaker 1: older that you and I have gotten, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people from our generation that are
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  Speaker 1: walking away from stuff like Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think a lot there's kind of just there's
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  Speaker 2: not a presence there for a certain age group because
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of like we were there when it started,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's really just become a gross thing, and
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  Speaker 2: like it can't even be trusted. It's not to reconnect
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  Speaker 2: with friends, it's not all of what it was meant
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  Speaker 2: to be. Is like, I mean, that's that's dead and gone.
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  Speaker 1: I know of I know of quite a few friends
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  Speaker 1: that walked away from Facebook specifically. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: walked away from Twitter specifically too. But I called my
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  Speaker 1: Facebook friends list not too long ago, I had nine
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  Speaker 1: hundred or some odd and I just started going through
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  Speaker 1: and deleting, Like if I hadn't talked to you in
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  Speaker 1: the last like four to five months or so, you
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  Speaker 1: were gone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you did a Facebook clans? Remember when they would
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  Speaker 2: do that and say, if you're seeing this, that means
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  Speaker 2: you made it.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's so extupid, but I did not. I
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  Speaker 1: just deleted everybody and didn't tell a soul. But I
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  Speaker 1: realized that there are I got that friends list down
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  Speaker 1: to like one hundred and forty I think, But going
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  Speaker 1: through that, I encountered probably one hundred profiles that were
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  Speaker 1: still existent, but like the picture had been deleted, the
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  Speaker 1: profile had been deleted where it was telling you like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you're ends with this person, but this person is not
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: They left in like twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm hoping. I know you read a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff about like gen Z kind of being a
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  Speaker 1: lonelier generation despite being so connected. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the type of connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not a genuine connection.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it means nothing. That's why.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you need to go to the movies.
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  Speaker 1: From picking up a mattress on your phone horch. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: flying on social media.
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  Speaker 2: But in all fairness, this is all about communication, communication
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  Speaker 2: and connection. So but let's get to some fun stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say. I just want to say,
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  Speaker 1: because my wife was kind of my wife was kind
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  Speaker 1: of giving me shit about this this morning when we
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  Speaker 1: were talking. She was asleep when we got home from
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  Speaker 1: the theater last night, so she was asking me about
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  Speaker 1: it and I said something and about like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of drinks at the bar right before
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  Speaker 1: the movie. And she goes, what bar, Like, what bar
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  Speaker 1: are you going to? And I said, I said, there's
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  Speaker 1: a bar in the theater, And I said it was great.
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  Speaker 1: We got to catch up with our buddy Dom from
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  Speaker 1: geek Vibeses Nation. He came by. We were talking to him.
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  Speaker 1: You and I were chatting about the movies and stuff
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  Speaker 1: we'd seen this year, and then we go to the
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  Speaker 1: theater and we chat catch up with some friends for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and then the movie starts and it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a fantastic experience. And all of that is
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  Speaker 1: to say you can still do that in this day.
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  Speaker 2: And age, and you should.
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  Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of people doing that. We were
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  Speaker 1: the only people at the movie theater bar, which, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I love a bar in a movie theater.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that we had real conversation with real people,
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  Speaker 1: well it was it was restorative. It is a very
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  Speaker 1: nice practice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it's that communal experience of seeing and especially
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  Speaker 2: a movie like Disclosure Days. So we just saw this
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  Speaker 2: last night or yep, Monday night.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, excuse me, mon Monday night.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, listen, there's always excitement when a Spielberg
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  Speaker 2: movie comes out. Now, I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about for you, but this sort of felt more exciting
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  Speaker 2: than I have in a while because he Spielberg has
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  Speaker 2: kind of gone into a lot obviously dramatic stuff, heavier stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He's done West Side Story, he did a very kind
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  Speaker 2: of the closest thing to somewhat of a biography of
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  Speaker 2: the Fableman's. Yeah, we're kind of this is sort of
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  Speaker 2: Spielberg's like back in like his sci fi summer blockbuster mode.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it, it's been since twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighteen's Ready Player one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, since he's even that that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the genre.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, I know we're gonna kind of
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  Speaker 2: and it's I mean, listen, it is a humongous topic
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  Speaker 2: to talk about sci fi, but Spielberg's name is always
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  Speaker 2: going to be attached to that, to that genre. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the man has done I mean, well, we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But Disclosure Day, so we're gonna avoid spoilers, but we
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  Speaker 2: want to give our kind of quick thoughts on it.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be out. I actually can probably see it tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Technically comes out Friday, but Steven Spielberg back sci Fi,
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  Speaker 2: Emily Blunt, Josh O'Connor, Coleman Domingo, Colin Firth. I I
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  Speaker 2: think both of us after we left, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: when I was given my thoughts to the publicity folk,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the sci fi movie you think it is.
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  Speaker 2: And the and the trailers. I appreciate the trailers kind
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  Speaker 2: of keeping this very kind of mysterious, sort of like
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  Speaker 2: what really is the plot? It's I think it's more
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  Speaker 2: of sort of this, at least most of it. Now.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost two and a half hours. It goes by
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  Speaker 2: super fast.
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  Speaker 1: It it's impressive how quickly and.
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  Speaker 2: Starts with a bang and it keeps going. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it starts where they're running around, and they're running around
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  Speaker 2: basically the whole time as you're trying to pieced up
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  Speaker 2: together figure things out. Who's who? How do they know
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  Speaker 2: each other?
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  Speaker 1: What is he?
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  Speaker 2: Why is Colin Firth a son of a gun? Why
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  Speaker 2: do his eyes change? Why does he look? But it
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  Speaker 2: is it's more of an action cat and mouse thriller
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  Speaker 2: than it is as just a bonafide sci fi movie,
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  Speaker 2: which would imply alien evasions and spaceships and things of
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  Speaker 2: that nature. But I, first of all, it is entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: It's an exciting movie. I enjoyed the mystery. I think
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  Speaker 2: there are parts that I think we're supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: big reveals, but I think for most audiences, I think
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  Speaker 2: you'll kind of get there before they show you. I
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  Speaker 2: know that that certainly happened with us, or at least
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  Speaker 2: you knew there were some kind of connections when you
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  Speaker 2: piece it together. But I listen, I think it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a cool I remember calling it kind
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  Speaker 2: of I still would say this is a solid Spielberg
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  Speaker 2: sci fi spectacle. It's not in the realm of Close
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  Speaker 2: Encounters by any means, but I think it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a good time, and I think even with its some
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  Speaker 2: of its issues, it's the people still have a good times.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say. Like I it's
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to say I was disappointed in the film.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like the film was going to be something
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  Speaker 1: completely different than it actually was, and that's where like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it's not what you're watching. I would not
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  Speaker 1: say was a disappointing movie, that it was bad or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just not what I expected. And
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  Speaker 1: it kind of took us kind of talking it out
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  Speaker 1: on the car ride home to get to a point
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, yeah, that was still a really
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  Speaker 1: good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I think one of the there were
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things that really stuck out there and
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  Speaker 2: really they can be kind of intertwined. Is I would
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  Speaker 2: have liked a little more. I would have liked some
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  Speaker 2: more intimate moments, especially with Josh O'Connor and Emily Blunt's characters.
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  Speaker 2: And with that that there's not really there's no kind
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  Speaker 2: of big emotional reward payoff in the end. I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think Spielberg kind of is trying to push you
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  Speaker 2: towards it, but there's just some missing things in this
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  Speaker 2: in their journey of kind of, you know, exposing this
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  Speaker 2: truth that it just holds it back from from really
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  Speaker 2: accomplishing that. But I would say I love Josh O'Connor.
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  Speaker 2: Colin Firth is good. I like Coleman Domingo, Him and
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  Speaker 2: Colin Firth have a nice little scene together that Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's one of those intimate moments I was speaking about
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  Speaker 2: that the movie needed more of. But but Emily Blunt, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she is outstanding. She again, without giving too much away,
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  Speaker 2: what her character kind of takes on and what she
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  Speaker 2: as she becomes as Coleman Domingo's character calls her like
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  Speaker 2: as a passenger. Yeah, it's really something and the and
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  Speaker 2: the just the mental and physical weight of it of
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  Speaker 2: her character is just it's really impressive, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's one of it's I think it's one of her
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  Speaker 2: best performances period. I've seen people talk about where like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, could this be a Awards contender? I mean
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  Speaker 2: right now. I mean, I don't think that's crazy. I
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  Speaker 2: mean people have right now for Spielberg movies. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll get lost as we get, you know,
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  Speaker 2: into the fall and awards season. But I will say
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  Speaker 2: there are some depending on how strong that category is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and it's not like Emily Blunt hasn't done
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  Speaker 2: great stuff. So for this to be considered one of
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  Speaker 2: her kind of top tier performances is I think saying something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that is kind of the signature
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  Speaker 1: of the film in a way. It is like, man,
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  Speaker 1: you you really buy into what Emily Blunt does in
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  Speaker 1: this film, and I think that is going to be
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  Speaker 1: you know, if I'll tell you if there is something
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  Speaker 1: that Disclosure Day ends up nominated for come next spring,
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  Speaker 1: I do or I guess winters when all the awards
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  Speaker 1: really start getting announced with the critics associations and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I do think it would be Emily Blunt. But that's
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  Speaker 1: also to your point, it's kind of like, what does
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  Speaker 1: the field really look like? So far right? And it's
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  Speaker 1: not too It's not to downplay her role in Disclosure Day,
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  Speaker 1: but I just it's just the politics of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: around the awards this time last year felt a lot
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  Speaker 1: different than they are this year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah to shay on that, Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There was there was a it was a pretty beefy
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  Speaker 1: conversation last year. Yeah, this year, there hasn't been a
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  Speaker 1: lot trickling out that everybody's oh, wow, this is Oscars
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  Speaker 1: next year.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think, and I mean I know there's
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  Speaker 2: there's obviously examples throughout the years of kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the big blockbuster, but also finding kind of
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  Speaker 2: that one performance that's like the movie would not be
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  Speaker 2: what it is without that performance as much as I'd
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  Speaker 2: like the other the rest of the cast, Emily that
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  Speaker 2: she's she has to be in it, and what a
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  Speaker 2: great I mean, what a great job she did. Also,
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  Speaker 2: what the partnership of Spielberg and John Williams. That score,
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  Speaker 2: it's it. Yeah, John Williams, I think is ninety or
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  Speaker 2: ninety one. He I think he's retired three times. Spielberg
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  Speaker 2: keeps getting him back out. But I really like the score.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the special effects and things were good. I
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  Speaker 2: mean some of it's questionable, like the animals, for instance.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought that, you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it could have afforded to be a little to
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  Speaker 2: look a little more realistic. But I really kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the I know you were talking about sort of
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  Speaker 2: where Spielberg sort of has his thumb on kind of
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  Speaker 2: the conspiracy theory of aliens existing and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of the stuff in this movie
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  Speaker 1: that is I don't want to say accurate because we
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: are kind of talking about conspiracy theories here, but like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it's it's true to the lore, so to speak, like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: there and and there is it's evident, like, oh, he
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: must be a conspiracy theory guy to know about a lot.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Of at least aware of it, at least aware of it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But there are things where like I like what the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: animals represent. I don't really know if I've ever seen
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: that before. I thought that was a nice touch, especially
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: uh when you're kind of seeing it through a child's eyes. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I really it's it's just not again. I do think
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it's it's missing some stuff and it is I get
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: when you especially in this genre, which we will certainly
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: talk about, but being ambiguous just kind of seems like
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it kind of comes along with the job of this genre.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it needed. I don't know if
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: all of that was kind of necessary for a movie
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: like this and what the what the Disclosure Day is
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: really about? But so yeah, I mean there's some questions
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that are kind of left unanswered. But I but it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: not in a an intriguing way. It's more of like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know how we got it. I don't know
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: how we made this jump here. But which to your
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: point we were talking last night after the film, Spielberg,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: does you know he does take some liberties on things.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're like, you know, detrimental to the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: story itself. But I mean it does raise some like,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: well wait a minute, but but overall, I I did
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: enjoy it. I it's nice to see something like this
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: from Spielberg, like I said, after him kind of going
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit heavier for the past few years. This
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is kind of cool just to see. If anything, it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: just a fun it's just a it's a fun thing.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But I and before it, but also it doesn't go
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: as far as I had hoped, even though it's certainly
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a message that is being in there, but it's but
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the message of empathy. It also nice to see. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: was telling you Spielberg's very much of a Aliens we
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: come in peace kind of guy. I think that's been
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: pretty much shown from Close Encounters and ET and this one. Again,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I think it could have been explored more. I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: just overall, I think Disclosure Day could have pushed it further.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: But I will say, and I think this is probably
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: why you and I still quite enjoyed it is because
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: when you get to the kind of that last thirty
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: thirty five minutes, it is rewarding, and it's in it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a journey to what you experience what you're watching. How unsettling.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It is also how realistic it could be. We were
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: talking about where Disclosure Day does, and Spielberg in almost
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in every sci fi film he's done, he keeps it
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: somewhat grounded through it all.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very grounded. Practical is the word I use.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Practical?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, And so a practical approach to this Disclosure Day
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: event actually happened, and it makes you very realistic, kind
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of puts you in the chair. Yeah, what would it
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: be like to experience something? Yeah, and very good.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And I will say we we said, Hey, whoever this
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: actress is. She did a tremendous job. She plays a
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: news anchor who really sells this whole ending. And her
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: name is and people may know her, I I did not,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: But her name is Courtney Grace. She's been in Christy,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the boxing movie that had Sidney Sweeney in there. She
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was in the she played a nurse in the last
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: season A Stranger Things Beyond the Gates. She was in
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Tulsa King And then it looks like it's a show
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that it's a peacock show. Secrets to Kill four, which
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: might be the maybe the most well known on because
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: it seems like she is a prominent character in that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but anyway, oh man, I saw where someone called her
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the MVP, and honestly, that might sound crazy considering what
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: we've just were talking about with performances and especially Emily,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: but if she, if if she was not that good
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in selling it, it could have come across as cheesy
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: or cheap. It doesn't. The ending is quite powerful, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's why when it was all said and done,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, you know what it's It is
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: a good movie. It's not a great movie, but I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I like what Spielberg was was trying to do, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: he nails a lot of it. I don't know if
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: you all know this, but he's he's an old prone before. Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: so there is uh, there's a lot going for Disclosure Day,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and I hope, I hope it's a big hit and
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a satisfying sci fi film.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: The thing the thing that I really after sleeping on it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the thing that I really enjoyed about it. And this
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is not something I expected to say after seeing it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but it really does feel like a classic throwback summer
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: blockbuster where this is a big movie and scope. There
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is plenty of action and adventure. It feels like something
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like I was telling you, I agreed to go to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the screening with you because I thought, oh, my wife's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: not going to go see the alien movie. But I
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: left that night saying, you know what, my wife would
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: actually probably really enjoy this film.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I think without getting into the spoilers of it, the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: issue that I had to kind of adjust my perception
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: on this film was that I expected something a little
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: more mysterious and winding, and it is. It is a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: pretty straightforward plot, Yeah, it is.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The only thing is and it goes back to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: what we were talking about earlier as far as like
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you might be able to connect the dots before they
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: actually show you. It's just sort of basically the relationship
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of Josh O'Connor Emily Blunt's characters and their connection. That's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: really the mystery of it. But yeah, it is. I mean,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: especially when you talk about sci fi, Yeah, it's it's
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: pretty straightforward. But I will say, you know, it's really
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: not that fair to compare it to Close Encounters just
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: because it's on a It's in a league of its own,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: but there are some similarities I think as far as
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: just to the way Spielberg exterrestrial existence, like, there are
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: some similarities. And I know he has said this is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: kind of a bookend to Close Encounters, because Close Encounters
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: was about if they exist, and this is more about
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: us existing, like now that they're here. And I think
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that's a good way to look at it, because I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: think a lot of things have also changed since nineteen
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: seventy seven.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I think it feels somewhat blasphemous to to compare the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: two films, but I would also say from a story standpoint,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I could see plenty of comparisons. Yeah, and I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it is kind of I think both films kind of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: have a similar message and how they get there is
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: not so much about the aliens themselves, but it's about
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: humanity's response to whether it's their existence, whether it's their forthcoming,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like whatever it is. Spielberg puts the lens on the humans.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And what I think is so brilliant about it, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I see it in both films, is that, like I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: said before, like he does a good job of creating
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: these stories that you're invested in that really put you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in the seat and kind of make you wonder, like, oh, well,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: how would I feel if I were experiencing this, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a fun theory out there that a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: lot of science fiction has been created to help desensitize
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: us to the concept of aliens existing and all this stuff,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and it it's fun to read that kind of stuff.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But then when you watch these movies, these two specific
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: movies that we're talking about from Steven Spielberg, it almost
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: does kind of feel like a training course on how
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to respond to the existence of aliens. It kind of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: makes you wonder, like, well, shit, maybe what does Steven
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Spielberg know that we don't.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: At least a glimpse.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And that's where I think Close Encounters of the Third
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Kind for the nineteen seventies probably was a revelatory cinematic
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: experience for a lot of people. And I don't think
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Disclosure Day is going to have that same sense of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: importance to the genre as Close Encounters did. And I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: think that's where it feels unfair to compare the two.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But I think if you're looking thematically plot wise, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: think they are very similar films that do go together
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: quite well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I agree, and I we were talking about it, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the thing is, there's such a Spielberg has set such
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a standard for this type of genre that I feel
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like for Disclosure, they could go either way. Either because
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it's Spielberg, there's leniency, or because it's Spielberg, does this
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: deliver in ways that people think it should because of
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: his other forays into.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Construction.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I would say he does not disappoint. I do think
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: it it like you as you're using your word practical,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: but I think there is a lot that is exhilarating
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and thrilling, and really give it credit for that kind
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of last thirty minutes because the ending does make does
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: does kind of hit you. Yeah, as you're seeing it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: The main message of the film is something that's still
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: quite profound. Yeah, I don't know that we spend enough
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: time hammering home to your point about maybe lacking a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: little bit of emotion in certain spots. I think there
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: was room to let some of the more profound aspects
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of Disclosure Day breathe a little bit, let people soak
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it in, and we move a little quickly on from
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: some of that stuff. But you know, it is still
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like quite exhilarating. It's a good word for it. It is.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It is NonStop.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So I My vix Flix rating is a solid three
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and a half out of five.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: What you got three and a half? Two?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's not quite at that really, just
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: what you summed it up perfectly. It it's it's almost
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to like at least within that four. But you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: there's just a you know, a few things that hold
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: it back. But still, I mean, well worth the watch.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I would go see it on the big screen. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: think it's well worth it. So so yeah, but three
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and a half, solid three and a half. So now
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: let's take one.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned you mentioned Spielberg's contributions to the sci
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: fi genre. Yeah, do you have a favorite of those?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: In particular? I found this to be kind of difficult
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: because there are so many of his sci fi entries,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I mean that are and like, do we consider like
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: his Jurassic Park sci fi?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't personally. I just had this conversation with my
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: sister in law. There are some things where like, yes,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: there are. So this is the thing about us trying
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to dig in a little bit of sci fi. I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: kind of thinking of more of just like the stripped
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: down like sci fi is the main genre, not yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because there's dinosaurs in the science used, Yes, but that's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: not how Like, there's a lot of movies that have
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it in it, but I don't think would be classify
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: as a sci fi.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like sci fi has to have a base
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: level of weird to it. Yes, and I know, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: know Jurassic Park is a weird yeah. Yeah, but it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: also like, no, you could kind of see from a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: biological standpoint like this, this would kind of be this
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: makes sense for something to pull off, right, the concept
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of aliens and time travel and all that stuff. It's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a little more abstract than monsters in a park.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I would say Close Encounters, AI E. T. I would
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: probably put Minority Report, War of the Worlds. That's probably
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: like my like solid like Spielberg sci fi, And if
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I was choosing from them, uh, I think I would
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: probably go with Close Encounters.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I see, I I want to go ET.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be most second one.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But it's hard for me because I just watched Close Encounter.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Y the recency bias. It's like, oh man, I'm going
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: with Close Encounters, but I haven't watched ET in a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: long time, so now I'm like, I want to go
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: back and watch ET again. But those are the two
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me too. Me too.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I would have to watch Minority Report and AI again
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: because I remember thinking AI was kind of boring.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I do too, I do too, And that's something.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: We talked about. Minority Reports.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, but I don't know.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I was also like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old when it came out, and that tastes
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: But Minority Report and Disclosure Day are more similar as
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: far as in like, it's more of an action thriller
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: than it is about now. Disclosure Day has definitely about aliens,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: but you know that feel and kind of like, like
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we talked about, the pacing and stuff is very much
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: set within this action chase Cat and Mouse AI. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: do remember it being boring, but we have talked about
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: revisiting that on one of our movie or view rewind podcasts,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and I would like to do that now. But I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: do remember thinking, yeah, this has gone on for way
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: too long. So yeah, I stand with Close Encounters, which
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I which I think, I think this kind of stands.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people say this is their
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: favorite Spielberg movie, just straight up favorite Spielberg movie.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: That would be That would be tough.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's that's a tougher conversation because then it is about
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like Jaws and Jurassic Park. Like that's for me. Those
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: are the ones, like I think I've revisited the most
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: are things Jaws and Jurassic Park. There's just nothing again,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: there's just I don't know if it gets any better
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: than that. But I think I don't know if there's
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: just such a thing as the best Spilberg movie. I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: think it's just a favorite.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a you know, he he's he's basically
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: cinema so, but yeah, out of Spielberg sci fi, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: would say close Encolendars, which close Encolendar is also a
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: whole generation has grown up on that.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It kind of feels like and we can go ahead
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and expand this. I know it's difficult to do. We've
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: never had an episode on just a genre.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: As a yeah, but I think we can. I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: we can at least kind of focus in on the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: ones that changed what sci fi and what.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Feels it feels to me. Like the two films that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: always come up when you talk about the evolution of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: science fiction are Close Encounters of the third kind, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it's Kubrick's two thousand and one.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And I think maybe right beneath that, I think is
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Blade Runner. Yeah, only because that really was ahead of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: its time. And I don't know, if you know, some
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: stories are like it. People didn't like it, it didn't
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: make that much money, like it was not a you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: quote unquote hit. But but yes, I think Kubrick and
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Spielberg with their two which was within ten years of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: each other, yeah, right, just about. And so for the record,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I had never watched either one all the way through,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: So in preparing for this podcast, I watched both of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: them for the first time all the way through. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: just said Close Encounters would be my favorite of his.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So that kind of speaks to how how much I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: enjoyed that approach that Spielberg took with Close Encounters. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: really like Richard Dreyfuss. I didn't realize how much of
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: his character Roy was sort of like also kind of comedic. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: it kind of threw me off of it, but and
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't mind it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But it's like, these these emotional responses are not fitting
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of the situation you're in. Roy.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: But I also and if people have listened to before,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Cooprick is just such a he's just such a presence
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: but I just don't. I just can't. I thought Space
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: odd I it's let me put it this way, two
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: thousand and one Space Odyssey is a movie that I
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: totally understand for those that have and will continue to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: study that film for what it is and what it does.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Me watching it was a very it was it's it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: pretty boring to me, it is. I The eighth thing
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: was I don't, I don't know. My favorite part and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the most thing that I was really into was kind
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of that middle part that dealt with how I liked
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I like that I was. I think that was the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: most fascinating. That was the most intriguing. There's obviously the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: effects that were well above it before its time, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the production design and stuff. Yeah, like it's it's I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: mean crazy, it is clever, brilliant, it's I mean it's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: it's so it's I get it. But I just would
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: not watch that again, Like I would have no interest
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in in rewatching it trying to discover it more. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: was telling you the Bill Simmons movie podcast Rewatchables him,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Sean Finnisy and Steven Spielberg did two thousand and one
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Space Odyssey I and the way that especially Spielberg, who
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: also obviously became friends of knew Kubrick. I could listen
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to them talk about that movie forever, And I told you,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I wish I love the movie as much as they
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: loved it and as much as they loved talking about it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just not there. I don't think I ever will be.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: But as far as what it did for the genre,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and Spielberg speaks to this on there Is, Kubrick was
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: kind of the one that made sci fi serious, made
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it a serious genre because if anybody remembers and Mars
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Attacks is a great example. It's almost a homage to
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the fifty sci fis. They weren't considered serious film and
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Cooper changed all that. And we'll talk about the influence
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that that has today with some of the biggest movies
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: on the planet or sci fi.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: The effects in two thousand and one of Space Odyssey
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: were so good. Yeah, to tie this back to conspiracy theories,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it was so good that it sparked a conspiracy theory
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that the US government paid Stanley Kubrick to stage the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: moon landing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He would be the guy to do it. Yeah, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: mean that mays.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: So, But think about that for a second, Like this
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: guy made something that seemed so realistic. They were like, Oh,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: if we're gonna fake this, this is the guy we
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: got to call. Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, there was a thing. There are two things that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I thought was awesome and I'm like, boy, filmmaking in
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the sixties. Is the opening that first part of Space Odyssey,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the apes obviously those were people in it. And I
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: think within six months the plan of the Apes of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Charleston Charleston Heston came out. That is it a lion
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: or a cheetah that shows up? I want to think
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: it's like a cheetah anyway that was or a jaguar
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that was that was real. They had a person in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that age shoot and that cheetah was real. God. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: they also had it where with the apes that they
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: showed a dead horse and it was a dead zebra
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: that they painted, but it had been dead for like
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a day and they were talking about how much it stunk.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's it makes me. It makes me
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: like the movie, but not because I watched it. It's
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: because of everything and I know in Spielberg talking about it,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but that last thirty minutes is like it's too much,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Like it's just too much and it and I'm not
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: saying to understand it. I don't, but like I also,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just I don't even care by then, like I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: just don't care.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: So if those are sort of the tent poles in
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the evolution of the science fiction genre, ye too, like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you said, becoming more serious. What do you think are
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: some more modern examples of maybe some films in not
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: even recent years, like the last five, but like the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: last the two thousands, the nineties, since Blade Runner, because
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Blade Runner would be the most recent of the three
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that we listed.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in the eighties.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: The foundation, right, and then.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask what films do you think
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: have built upon the foundation that those films set before them?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Well, you talk about Blade Runner, and I think a
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: big name associated with sci fi is Ridley Scott, because
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Ridley Scott goes on from Blade Runner and he's gonna
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: do Alien. Yeah, and Alien is I think one of
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the best sci fi slash horror movies ever.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That that was really I really enjoyed that one. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: when I think of that, I enjoyed he did the Prometheus.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You know, he kind of he's really kind of gone
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit wild with all the alien stuff, but
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I get it, and so it's good, but alien definitely.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And then and Blade Runner, I think are two of
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the big ones with Ridley, and then if you kind
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: of step outside of that, I mean I kind of
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, right now, if Spielberg was you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: if Spielberg and Kubrick kind of established it, Ridley kind
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of ram with it, I would say the torch has
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: been passed to Denie.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he's Dune movies.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Dune Movies, Arrival, Blade Runner twenty forty nine.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Arrival comes to mind as like the most recent example
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of like, okay, this is another level, dude, this is
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: not taking what was done before and kind of contributing
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to the genre. This is Arrival was kind of taking
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it to another level.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think anybody who has seen what you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the the part three comes out in December of Dune,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: it is those first two movies are really something. I mean,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: so Denis and again, Blade Run twenty forty nine is great.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Arrivals great, So I would say Denis kind of the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: guy right now. I mean, obviously when he's working on
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Dune that's coming out, that's fresh on everyone's minds anyway.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: But Arrival was de one, and you know, I was thinking,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and I don't I don't know how much credit he
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: gets just because of with like Deni and the success.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, Alex Garland X my Kina and Annihilation,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, those are those are solid sci fi flicks
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that I've enjoyed.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Wheelhouses, right, so we we also did not mention nineteen
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: ninety one's Terminator to Judgment Day.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably one that everyone was screaming about.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: The the iconic, the iconic Terminator character. Yes, feels like
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it feels like something that had pop culture mass appeal.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and the effects because you know that's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that's yes, King James Cameron and and he went and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: did Aliens, which is which is also a solid sequel.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: It's more of an action thriller. But I I like
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: that one. So but yeah, T two was It's cool.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: It's still cool that it is.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I just rewatched that. Yea, and it is.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Robert Patrick being split. It's it's it's amazing. I'm glad
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you brought that up, because you you really can't say
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: you can't talk about sci fi with at least talking
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: about that second one. Yes, I know there's a first Well,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Judgment Day.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Was speaking of franchises that you can't mention talking about
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: sci fi. I'm sure there are people We're forty five
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: minutes into this thing. I'm sure there are people screaming about.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Star Wars and Star Trek.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I you know, I get the cultural impact.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I just personally, there's no there's no other way to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: say this. I'm just gonna be blunt. I don't like
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Star Wars. I but you know what visual effects revolutionary?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Sure, yes, From from a storytelling perspective, I think that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it is way on down the list of compelling characters,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: compelling plots, things that really explore the nature of the universe. No,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not with Star I agree it it. I've enjoyed
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: seeing them in theaters, especially like Revenge of the Sith.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And but I think more and more people are starting
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to join your starting to get in your line, because
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: they've also just have really ran the Star Wars into
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the ground, and Mandalorian and Grogu did not do what
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: people thought it would. And you know there's always that
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: solo movie that they did, which you end up being
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: a disaster and so. But but yeah, the thing is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I only have seen the movies from Star Wars. They're fine,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I get it. I just they mean something different to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: people that saw it back then than than for anybody
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that's probably our age or younger. I get it. Some
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: that's passed down. And honestly, I just never got into
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Star Trek. I think I saw one movie with Patrick
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Stewart in it, and then I did see like the
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: JJ Abrams ones, but it's not it. It doesn't move
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: me one way or the other, not like not like Spielberg,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: not like Denis, not like Ridley. It just it's just
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: not my just not my kind of sci fi?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Do you have I know, this is a big question,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and this is where I think we'll kind of get
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: into some more of just like naming some of our
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: favorites of the genre. Do you have a mount rushmore
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of sci fi films? Have you thought about this?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I could put the Denise Dunes together
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: as one that would certainly be up there, I would
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: probably put Dune. I would probably put Close Encounters Alien
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and gosh you know what made Yeah, but I put
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: T two Judgment Day up there.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I so I'm gonna go with I Am gonna have
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: T two Judgment day in mind.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: This was like one of the formative movies of my childhood.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: It's like I remember my dad watching it and just
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: being terrified of Robert Patrick in that movie. I was terrified.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. My dad was not terrified. Yeah,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, I would. I would put a rival
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in my in my mouth.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in my top ten for sure.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I think I would go a movie we haven't talked about,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: but just it's profound impact as big as it was
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: unique property. I think I would go with Nolan's inception, Okay, okay,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and then and then I'm going with The Thing, which
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I just watched for the first thing, and it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Is That's one of those Halloween ones that I try
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and watch even if I don't get all the way
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: through it. But that atmosphere alone.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It is so it is so good. I love Russell
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: in it. I love Wilford Brimley in it. It's like
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you said, the setting, it's very isolated. It's a very
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to me, it's a very unique creature feature kind of deal.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: And the it's very science coded. I'll yeah, put it
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: that way. And so to me, it was like I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: watched it and I was like, this is super weird.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I this checks all the boxes for me. It might
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: actually be it might actually be my number two if
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I were to rank these. Yeah, I think Arrival is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: number one for me.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Arrival was so it was just so brilliant and innovative
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: and what like, it was a new It's almost like
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: it's in the vein in the spirit of close Encounters
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in space honesty, because of the way that this was presented,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: like the way that this kind of exterrestrial stuff was
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: being presented had it just had not been done before.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So I want to give a shout out to Signs
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: as well, because I Signs and Wally.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Wally is one I don't think people realize, like that
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: science fiction.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: There's actually a bunch of like technically sci fi animated
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: movies but nothing. First of all, you're talking about Pixar,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: who I mean, you know that's elite level animation anyway.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: But also, boy, has it got a lot of ship right?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And that and I say that like, unfortunately it's got
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, right, but yeah, and then obviously
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: we can't cover everything. And again, I just felt like
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: This was such a This is such a fun genre
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: that has come a very long way, and it got
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: some stinkers, as any genre does. But you've got some
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: of the most iconic, legendary filmmakers playing in this genre. Yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: some of them are also some of the best film
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: cinemas ever ever gotten. But I watched because of you.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I watched the nineteen fifty one's version of The Day
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the Earth Stood Steal, which I had not seen. I'd
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: seen the Keanu Reeves one. I had not seen that one. Now,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: this is kind of you know, early maybe somewhat not
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: quite at the height of the Cold War, but it's
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a fifties right, It's got that imagery we all know
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: where Tom about with the spaceship and stuff. But its
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: message is as relevant today as it was, you know what,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: eighty years ago. I liked it for that. Yes, it's cheesy,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: it's in black and white, but again we're talking about
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I mean the alien is like a literal human.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's right. You got the robot.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Really you really got to.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: See h Well, that's how we high, you know, that's
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: why he got away for so long, because he could
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: hide and he could hide away.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And then I think one of them, maybe first sci
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: fi films ever, is Fritz Lange's Metropolis, which I watch
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: for the first time. Now it's a silent film and
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's almost two hours, but it's very much about
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: themes that are in sci fi and every genre day,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: about class warfare and kind of yeah, go ahead throughout
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the years, and it's kind of about the uprising, but
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: also the manipulation for the you know, the rich to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: stay in power. And it's amazing and you know in
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: horror does this too of just kind of talks about
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a time and a place in society, but it just
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: happens to be where it's sort of is it's also
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: a just it's timely and timeless. But yes, so Metropolis
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: was the first watch. I had a lot of first
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: watches preparing for this. But but yeah, what a what
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a genre. But what's what I mean, There's been so
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: many astonishing stories told in this genre. And clearly we're
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: talking about Spielberg's disclosure day, we're talking about Denise Dune
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Part three. I mean, it's it's it's it's thriving, and
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it's it's like I said, it's got some of the
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: best some of the best talent involved.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: So and like you look up a couple of years ago,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all at once wins Best Picture at the Oscars. Yeah. Yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: film like Project Hill Mary, I feel probably gonna be
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a player. Yeah, come Awards.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, already one of the biggest successes of the year.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you How do you feel about I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: jotted down the names of a few films like Children
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: of Men and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Her with Joaquin Phoenix kind of being listed among the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the sci fi genre because it almost films feels like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: those films are a subgenre, like this isn't We're not
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: talking like spaceships and aliens and and all that stuff.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But I guess if you're going bare bones definition what
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it would be science fiction?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: What about bi Centennial Man with Robin Williams where he
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: was a robot.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think we've got to We've got to add that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to got to add that to our movie review.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Rewind all of those three I would I'm on board
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: with Children and Men, which I actually just bought the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: blu ray of that. I love that movie, y, it
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: is fantastic I'd love to rewatch it for a movie
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: if you rewind it is phenomenal. I'm not quite sure. Her,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I understand, but that's not again, I don't think that's
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like I think that's that would be like the fourth
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: genres in like, it's not the that's not the main
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the main thing.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: And then what was that Eternal Sunshine? I could I
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: could get I could kind of get by behind that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I think that could be sci fi and Children of
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Men her I, like I said, understand, but I think
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I would I would follow that under a couple of
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: other things before sci fi. But Children of Men and
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Eternal Shunshine have I think there's some room up there
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: for those, But I I I'm a big fan of
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Children and Men. It's a it's it's great, it's so good.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: People have not seen it. Highly recommend has Clive Owen
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: and Julia Moore. And it's directed by Ino rot to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Alejandro interrupt to who did Burnman? Revenant and stuff? But
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, and then there's seems like there was something
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: else that I saw that I thought like, oh, I
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: guess that could be sci fi. But now I can't
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. But I remember looking at a couple
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: of lists I think you did too, to kind of
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: get a grasp on sort of what's considered you know, the.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: We needed a bit of a row, Yeah, like the.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Biggest ones, and yeah, and I think we kind of
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I think, in a nutshell, I think we kind of
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: covered the main ones that I think everybody has either
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: seen or knows about, or that's still going on today.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, redoing the Dune movies. There's
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: still some Star Wars stuff obviously. I mean, Marvel's dipped
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: into that, you know, sci fi stuff too, So that's
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: kind of the one that I would kind of classify
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: the most. I think, you know, I think of Doctor
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Strange on there too, But yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: was kind of one of the first things I thought
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: of too. But you know, I mean there's others that
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's not a we haven't really
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot of comedies, but like Galaxy quest
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Is a is a fun sci fi comedy.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: The everybody loves Starship Troopers too.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I think that's a straight up kind
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: of nineties But yeah, I mean, and you know, do
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you remember did you ever Watch. I feel like your dad.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure watch because my dad did too. But the
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Soldier movies they had Kurt Russell, Yeah, those like you
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like there's there's again, sci fi
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: touches so many films. But I think when we talk
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: about like I said with Kobrick Spielberg, Ridley Scott Denie,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I mean that's like sci fi, like that's what if
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: you They sit on a throne when it comes to
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that kind of genre and and just what they've what
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: they've done for that genre. Mm hmm, you know. I
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: mean it's amazing all the way up till right now.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: In a day or two, Spilberg has another one.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well we have emptied the clip on
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: my notes for this episode. So unless you have something
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: you want to you want to close with our our
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: potting parting thought for the day, it's time to get
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I think we we did what we could in an
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: hour to talk about something that I know that you
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: could talk about for days, weeks, months, maybe even years.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, I I I The only thing I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: can say is, as a kid, I don't think I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: kind of appreciated sci fi. I think it could come
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: across as cheesy or it was kind of just like
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the alien or predator type horror sci fi. But as
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I've gotten older and as I've been introduced, like I
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: said to the filmmakers, we talked about to the films
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: that they're that they've done, and the films that obviously
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: have been within the past ten fifteen years, it's it's
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it's actually a very sophisticated genre that it can be fun,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: it can be provocative, it can be profound, and that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty damn good.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, Well that's going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for us today. Thank you guys for tuning in. Go
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: see Disclosure Day this week out in theaters, get out
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  Speaker 1: there for Brandon. I'm stony. You can catch all of
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• 59:15
  Speaker 1: will be back again for another episode of the Vick
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  Speaker 1: Flicks podcast soon enough, but until then, you stay classy moviegoers.