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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman and Lindahl 4-18-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Je Legwold is our Broncos insider Altitude Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 1: two five Pro Football the Insider.
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  Speaker 2: I've covered the league, while Jef.
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  Speaker 1: Legwall his appearances are always must listen radio. We learn
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  Speaker 3: Start with a jomb and with the career iv EW
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  Speaker 3: Local sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's Leggy yet yet yet on Altitude Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 1: two five. Yeah, Jeff Legwell time the top one hundred
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  Speaker 1: will be out on Sunday. Leggy, can you just read
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  Speaker 1: off all one hundred names for us in order right now?
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  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to do that?
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  Speaker 2: That probably would go against policy? The policy? Well, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe if I read it backwards or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, can you can you give us one spoiler? Can
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  Speaker 1: you give us like number seventy three? Who's number seventy
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  Speaker 1: three in the.
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  Speaker 2: Top one seventy three? Let's see, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Scrolling? Scrolling?
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Winston, Junior safety, Penn State.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Winston, Junior Safety, Penn State. That's a that's the
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  Speaker 1: scoop that we got this afternoon here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, show Leggy, I do want you to acknowledge the
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  Speaker 3: maturity it took meate to ask for seventy three.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a it's a big moment.
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  Speaker 3: Not a bigger not a more popular number.
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  Speaker 1: I know ols seventy three Kevin Winston, junior safety from
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  Speaker 1: Penn State. Uh leg give us a Give us a
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  Speaker 1: recipe for the Denver Broncos who said they're they're taking
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  Speaker 1: a back in this draft. We know that they're not
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  Speaker 1: taking a back. They're taking a back, but give us
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  Speaker 1: a recipe. How did the Broncos ace this draft?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they could get a little help. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: people go a little quarterback nutty above them, I think
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  Speaker 2: that brings down, you know, a really good player to
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  Speaker 2: them in the first So you sort of take the
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  Speaker 2: highest graded player in the first and then you know, second,
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  Speaker 2: third round, then you're looking for a back end there
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  Speaker 2: and then this very very very deep class of backs,
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  Speaker 2: they will probably get a back graded a half around
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  Speaker 2: or a full round above where they actually take them.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, that's the sweet spot. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: they come away with a really quality graded player, if
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  Speaker 2: they stay at twenty, because I would think they, like
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  Speaker 2: every other team in the league that I've spoken to,
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  Speaker 2: probably have somewhere between fourteen and twenty first round grades,
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  Speaker 2: so you know they're right on the edge, so they
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  Speaker 2: need they need somebody or a couple somebodies above them
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  Speaker 2: to take a player they don't have graded in the
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  Speaker 2: first round, or aquarterback or two, you know, position they
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  Speaker 2: don't need. And then you know quality player in the
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  Speaker 2: first round, and then you know, you work the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the board, which is really the strength of this draft,
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  Speaker 2: and then you come away with with guys who have
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  Speaker 2: the chance to make the roster as rookies on a
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  Speaker 2: playoff team.
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  Speaker 3: All right, you asked the gentleman assembled on Thursday that,
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  Speaker 3: being the Peyton and Peyton crew, how many first round
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  Speaker 3: grades they seem to have you throughout the number one
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  Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen? Sean and George I think it was Sean
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  Speaker 3: mainly answered that that was about what they thought they
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  Speaker 3: had as well, but he thought that was to an
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  Speaker 3: advantage for them. Why did he think he had an
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  Speaker 3: advantage there because of that?
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  Speaker 2: I think Sean routinely believes that they you know, they
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  Speaker 2: evaluate the prospects their own way, so that they're seventeen eighteen,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen first round grades aren't going to be what everybody
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  Speaker 2: else's are, So I think he believes they will get
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  Speaker 2: a I think he believes they will get a first
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  Speaker 2: round player in there if they stay put. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's why they feel that way. And again, this
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  Speaker 2: is a really sturdy draft in rounds two through five,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't want to give up too much real
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  Speaker 2: estate in there, you know, to move around, because that
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  Speaker 2: is really the guts of this draft and where you
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  Speaker 2: can find some really good players because the grades will
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  Speaker 2: be so similar over two and three rounds, which you
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  Speaker 2: don't see very often, not like this year.
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  Speaker 1: Leckie. My view of the Pittsburgh Steelers right now is
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  Speaker 1: they have to take a quarterback. I think they're almost
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  Speaker 1: cornered into having to take a quarterback now in this draft.
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  Speaker 1: How do the events of the last few weeks in
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh sort of landing in this spot. How does that
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  Speaker 1: increase the per perhaps trade value of Denver's twentieth overall selection,
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  Speaker 1: one pick above Pittsburgh. Do you think the Broncos will
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  Speaker 1: be getting a lot of calls, Nate, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think they will if it unfolds that, you know, say
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  Speaker 2: cam Ward goes one or two or three, you know whatever, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: in there and then no quarterbacks come off the board.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as it goes through picks fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: then I think their phone really heats up, because I
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  Speaker 2: don't know too many people in the league who would
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  Speaker 2: you know, bank that they know what the Steelers are
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  Speaker 2: going to do in any draft year, let alone this one,
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  Speaker 2: because it's such a such a sort of a closed
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  Speaker 2: door team. You know, they've done it, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: same way, their way for so long. So I think
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  Speaker 2: if Ward goes early as everybody expects, and then not
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  Speaker 2: another quarterback comes off the board, you know, if they
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  Speaker 2: get past you know the Saints say, and no other
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks are coming off the board, and I know teams
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  Speaker 2: that have mocked it that that have that scenario coming
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  Speaker 2: up quite a bit, then I think the Broncos pit
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  Speaker 2: becomes a little more popular. And you know again I
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  Speaker 2: I you know, if it's one of those teams at
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  Speaker 2: the top of the second round, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: then if you're the Broncos, you don't do any deal
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  Speaker 2: without that second round pick included.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, it reports around the Giants are that their
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  Speaker 1: their quarterback interest is heating up. Who knows if Mara
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  Speaker 1: went downstairs and said, uh, we need to be taking
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  Speaker 1: this more seriously, but they seem to be doing further
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  Speaker 1: due diligence on quarterbacks, which it feels late, but hey,
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  Speaker 1: get all the information you possibly can and then we
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  Speaker 1: know what the Satan situation is with Derek Carr. As
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  Speaker 1: you talk to people around the league and get your
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  Speaker 1: sense of this draft, where do you think the Giants
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  Speaker 1: and the Saints are at right now in their pursuit
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  Speaker 1: of a quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: And before you answer, can you add this in? Did
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  Speaker 3: you see the Chefter report today about not feeling good
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  Speaker 3: about the Saints basically for Shador about not feeling good Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he said he doesn't like it for with the Saints.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know again that's those are the things
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  Speaker 2: that are out there right now. Now again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the fitting and the misdirection really picks up here in
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  Speaker 2: the next week or so. But I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those you know, Cleveland, New York Titans, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're there. They have to do the due
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  Speaker 2: diligence to take the quarterback at the top of the
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  Speaker 2: second round, you know two, and I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: anybody beyond ward. I think those thirty third, thirty fourth,
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  Speaker 2: thirty fifth picks are where guys will truly be graded,
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  Speaker 2: whether anybody he ever admits it or not. And I
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  Speaker 2: think we're seeing an indication of that by Jackson Dart,
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  Speaker 2: you know, now, saying he will not be at the
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  Speaker 2: draft in Green Bay. So I you know again, I
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  Speaker 2: think I think the Giants in particular are doing due diligence.
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  Speaker 2: They've talked to quarterbacks that are well down the board,
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  Speaker 2: so they're they're looking at that thirty fourth pick, I
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  Speaker 2: think as a potential quarterback pick if they like somebody
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  Speaker 2: enough to do it there, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I see, I wondered about that. I've said, leady, Look,
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  Speaker 3: I told you lunch, I think I think those teams
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  Speaker 3: are all thinking about these guys on the second go round,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it's fascinating. So you don't think with
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  Speaker 3: what you just said there the dark could somehow how
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  Speaker 3: about this, what's the likelihood if any dark could supplant
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  Speaker 3: Shadoor is the second quarterback taken?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't, you know, Andy, I never say
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  Speaker 2: that when it comes to the draft, because when the
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  Speaker 2: picks are getting made, then you finally finally see where
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  Speaker 2: everybody really stands. And you know, with a quarterback, nothing
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  Speaker 2: ever surprises me, you know, last year was a stunning
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  Speaker 2: turn of events. I never thought in my career I
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  Speaker 2: would see a six quarterback first round, and yet we
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  Speaker 2: saw it. And not only did we see it, we
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  Speaker 2: saw it in the first twelve pix of the draft.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't I would never say never with a quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: but I personally have not spoken to anybody who would
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  Speaker 2: put Jackson Dart in front of Shador. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean they don't really think that behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 1: So so, Jeff, you'res what you're saying right now is
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  Speaker 1: you don't believe there is a team that is willing
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  Speaker 1: to retire the idea of Shador being the number two quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to get you?
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  Speaker 3: LEGI You're like, oh you got Jeff laughing. Dad, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: some little guy. I didn't like you so much, but
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  Speaker 3: Jeff liked it.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps it's too soon to use that show topical.
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  Speaker 3: No topic, that's that's right, Nate Krekman's wheelhouse.
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  Speaker 1: No, there we go.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'll tell you what it's throw on the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask this and Nate can have his good laugh.
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  Speaker 3: Well done, sir, you did a good Jeff, pack yourself
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  Speaker 3: on the back. Thank you, Because I've not heard Jeff
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  Speaker 3: laugh like that a while real quick. It was interesting
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  Speaker 3: because you know, get Up today was all about is
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  Speaker 3: the league getting tired of Aaron Rodgers? You know? And
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  Speaker 3: I think, what what's making its rounds? Yes? Well, in
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  Speaker 3: what's making its rounds? And I'm sure Jeff heard it, Nate,
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  Speaker 3: you probably heard it going on the Pat McAfee show
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  Speaker 3: and growsing about the fact that they flew him out
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  Speaker 3: there to tell him they were going in a different direction.
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  Speaker 3: And then everybody dug up a tweet from twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 3: or whatever where he said, face to face is always
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  Speaker 3: better than a phone call. Is the league in fact
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  Speaker 3: over Rogers? And is that why the Steelers are becoming
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  Speaker 3: the hot landing spot for Shador or whatever quarterback falls?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean his options are limited. You know, who
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  Speaker 2: who would sign him at this point is a limited field,
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  Speaker 2: and he has made it limited. I mean he didn't
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  Speaker 2: he didn't visit or discuss this with many teams. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, to my knowledge, Pittsburgh was you know, sort
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  Speaker 2: of the one he went out of his way to visit.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I think Mike Tomlin is generally regarded
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  Speaker 2: as a head coach who could handle most any situation.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's why you see all of the
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  Speaker 2: talk right now until there's some kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: ending to this that he ends up in Pittsburgh, but
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  Speaker 2: it's in the Steelers. That doesn't preclude you from using
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  Speaker 2: that pick on a quarterback. I mean that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is not your long term solution, you know,
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  Speaker 2: down the road. But now I think it's funny because
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  Speaker 2: I you know, had they done it with a phone call,
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  Speaker 2: I would bet you anything he would have gone on
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  Speaker 2: the show and said, I can't believe they did it
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  Speaker 2: with a phone call.
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  Speaker 3: So said he said he'd been going the exact different way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean it's just you know, and look, I know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm in the business and I've conducted
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  Speaker 2: interviews and I've published quotes when people have said stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that, when in my heart, I think you you
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  Speaker 2: would have said it the other way, just to make
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  Speaker 2: a point that you don't like them, you know, instead
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  Speaker 2: of just saying I don't like them, I didn't like
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  Speaker 2: my experience there. You you sort of make up a
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  Speaker 2: a grievance, uh of why you don't like them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the old one. Well, I was going to
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  Speaker 1: break up there anyway, but I would have done.
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  Speaker 3: It in person.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of move right there. Yeah, it's it's just sour
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  Speaker 1: grapes coming out of Aaron Rodgers right there. Uh, Leggy,
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  Speaker 1: you taking a look at the very top of this draft?
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  Speaker 1: What what is your sense right now? Is there any
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  Speaker 1: world in which Cleveland Let's Travis Hunter get beyond them?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Andrew Berry really views him more as
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  Speaker 1: a receiver rather than a corner. Is it fata complete
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  Speaker 1: that it will then be Abdul Carter going three to
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  Speaker 1: the Giants? Is it sort of like the draft really
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  Speaker 1: starts at number four with New England? What is your sense?
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  Speaker 1: Give me the the Jeff Legwold mock draft sense of
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, again, it's just does the quarterback invade the grades?
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  Speaker 2: Because the top graded players, you know, and nothing is
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  Speaker 2: unanimous as we know, but if you were doing consensus polling, Hunter,
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  Speaker 2: Carter Jenty are probably the three top players on the board.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I do think the draft probably really
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  Speaker 2: starts at four, but the three best football players, regardless
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  Speaker 2: of position, on top of the board are probably those three.
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  Speaker 2: If you were talking to people, you know around the leg.
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  Speaker 1: And in service of that thought, though, Leggie, could you
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  Speaker 1: see New England just saying Ashton Genti's too good. We
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  Speaker 1: can't let him get past us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if if he's not off the board already, right,
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  Speaker 2: I do know they they have worked the top tackles,
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  Speaker 2: you know, big time. They've been working that aisle of
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  Speaker 2: the draft, and the top tackles are worth that pick.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, they may be the one
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  Speaker 2: who sort of brings the uh composure route to the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing that they just take the degraded player they
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  Speaker 2: need the most there, but you know, because the top
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  Speaker 2: tackle would be worth their pick. So again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just you know, we all we worked this over
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  Speaker 2: for so many weeks lead up to it. But New
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  Speaker 2: England is probably the start of sort of the the
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  Speaker 2: graded player draft. And if Cleveland, you know, if cam
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  Speaker 2: Ward goes one, if Cleveland let Travis Hunter go by,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, then you're not trying very hard at the
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  Speaker 2: NFL draft.
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  Speaker 3: All right before we let you go. And I know
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk to you Monday when we officially have the
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  Speaker 3: top one hundred. We're all excited. I saw an article
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  Speaker 3: on your fine website. Saying, well, the question pose anyway,
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  Speaker 3: was do mock drafts affect the NFL draft and how
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  Speaker 3: these guys think, Legy, you're a mock draft guy in
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  Speaker 3: certain situations. Do mock drafts affect how NFL front offices
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  Speaker 3: get ready to do business?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean they conduct them in house just to
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  Speaker 2: work all the scenarios. They do it to prepare for
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  Speaker 2: if everybody does this and this and this. But most
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  Speaker 2: NFL teams believe they have a better idea of what
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  Speaker 2: their peers are going to do because they either know
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  Speaker 2: people that work at the other teams have been in
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  Speaker 2: draft room of the other teams, you know, the philosophy
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  Speaker 2: of a GM, and their analytics departments have taken apart
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  Speaker 2: every other team's you know, draft history. So they do
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  Speaker 2: it in a different way than sort do we do
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  Speaker 2: in the media, But they do do it. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it influences their picks. I think it more influences
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  Speaker 2: what sort of the poor prospects think of where they're
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  Speaker 2: going because they've read it so often. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a player that's seen in every mock draft for
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  Speaker 2: three months, you're going to a certain team and then
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  Speaker 2: they don't even call you on draft day and you
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  Speaker 2: slide past that pick, then suddenly you're frustrated for something
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  Speaker 2: that's totally out of your control. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what it impacts is how these guys have to wait
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  Speaker 2: through the draft to hear their names because they as
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  Speaker 2: much as they say, they don't listen or don't look
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  Speaker 2: everyone around them and looks.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think it impacts all those
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  Speaker 1: Food Johnson, all those football exactly, all those football people
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  Speaker 1: the leg you just talked about, Yeah, they could give
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  Speaker 1: a crap what anybody thinks on you know, Bleacher Reporter
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. It's when the owner comes walking through the
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  Speaker 1: door and says, Hey, I see as mock to this guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I really like this dude. I think we should
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  Speaker 1: go and take him right there. It is the Woody
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  Speaker 1: Johnson's of the world. Those are the guys that get
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  Speaker 1: excited about mock drafts, and then somehow the football people
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  Speaker 1: have to be able to talk the billionaire out of
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  Speaker 1: their terrible idea.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the two greatest examples of that in my time
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  Speaker 2: Clent League are There's always been the story when Ken
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  Speaker 2: Bearing owned the Seahawks that he actually brought the street
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  Speaker 2: in Smith's magazine into the war room, and then Bud
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  Speaker 2: Adams told Floyd Reeve and Jeff Fisher they had to
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  Speaker 2: draft Vince Young, and the football people wanted them to
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  Speaker 2: draft Jay Cub that year in some fashion. Yeah, those
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  Speaker 2: are the two biggest owner imposition examples. I've I've ever heard,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Pat Ball in my time around Pat Ball,
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  Speaker 2: and he said the only time he went in to say, boy,
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  Speaker 2: I really like us to get this player was Gary Zimmerman.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, very good they all they all have
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  Speaker 2: some desire to be impactful, but most of the good
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  Speaker 2: owners know you better hire good people and let them
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  Speaker 2: do the draft.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't that how Bryce Young ended up going
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  Speaker 1: over c J. Stroup? Yeah, Dave Tech was it was hot? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the one Young? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So hey, real quick, Jeff, you just said something interesting there.
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  Speaker 3: Holy cow, just kidd You said that Jeff Fisher and
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  Speaker 3: Floyd Reeves wanted to draft Jay Color and obviously they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Is that why Shanian was so surprised he was there?
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  Speaker 2: That's why Shanahan didn't. I actually wrote a story about
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  Speaker 2: it later, so I Shanahan and the Broncos didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to talk to Jake Cutler because the Titans knew they
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  Speaker 2: weren't going to be able to take him, and they
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  Speaker 2: had done all the interviews and due diligence with him
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: lead up to the draft, and Mike Shanahan and Jeff
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Fisher are the closest to friends. And that's how uh
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: information was transferred about Jake Cutler to the Broncos without
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the Broncos actually meeting with Jake Cutler in person, were
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: face to face at any point in the draft process.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: See, those are the stories that I like.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I tell you what I want to do now is
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I want I want to go down to the Denver
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Public Library and dig through the microfichia the Rocky Mountain
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: News this week.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Go find the leg Well, see if I can find
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you got to the computer, so you got on a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: floppy disk? Do I need a Texas instruments to pull
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that story up?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Jeff? Probably, It's probably on a stone tablet.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Man, I missed the Rocky Mountain News.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie what to find?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: What a here?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: The location?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Send at your lunch, just sprawled out, easy to reading,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: all the articles skipping past leg wall.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Give me a nice Kreager column. Yeah, that's what I'm
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who else you have there, Jeff, And I can't
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: remember Lerisizer back in the day.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Was or No, not when I was Dave Kreeger Kreeg
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and Bernie intercom of the columnist when I when I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: got there, Rick Sadoski on the Avalanche.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: We wanted Tim to come and instead we got Bernie nothing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Bernie nothing. Bernie had worked at Bernie had worked at
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Chicago before.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I got he was the Sun Times guy. Right, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: just Chicago.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Guys, Jef, you missed the joke. Jeff. That's it, Jeff,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: that's it. That's it. You let me down.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm out on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: A Friday afternoon. Uh. The Ark