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161. [Louisiana] Murder on Four-Mile Bridge · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, welcome, bless this Messaventry Crump podcast, I don't
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: care who was to says too, Hey, we are back
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: this weekend. We are going to Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: We just got back from Louisiana.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: We did. And the reason we're doing this case because
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: we crossed the bridge where this person was thrown over.
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  Speaker 2: So and we drove by the bar.
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  Speaker 1: We did, but it's closed.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: It is closed.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I looked up and said permanent closed. There was
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: some dramas on the Facebook about elect electric bills and
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: people blaming each other boat posting it on the Facebook status.
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  Speaker 2: So the bar had a Facebook post page still and
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: people were arguing on it.
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  Speaker 1: No back when it closed back in twenty night team.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they were like, he's a liar. I sent him
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: the money for the electric bill. That's not why this
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  Speaker 1: bark stuff like.
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  Speaker 2: That, somebody's doing drugs, somebody's skimming the tail drinking their
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  Speaker 2: own profits that I don't know, probably.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: At this bar, yes, but that's not what they were saying.
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  Speaker 1: They were just there was just a lot of public drama.
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  Speaker 1: And then the Facebook page is still up so we
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  Speaker 1: can read some of the posts later on it.
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  Speaker 2: Just Fanger pointing but no specifics.
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  Speaker 1: Some about an electric bill.
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  Speaker 2: Oh call comes down and then those things are high
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  Speaker 2: these days.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Anyway, so since we drove through this town, we
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: decided to do this case because we drove on the bridge.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: I did record the bridge. Uh so, because we're morbid
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  Speaker 1: like that. Yes, mainly for you guys though, so you're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people not from the area that
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  Speaker 2: would be like it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can see the bridge. So we are go
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: into Louisiana for all of our patreons, Thank you very much.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: We have been off on the shoot the poos because
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: we were out of town. We did put one out.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I released it before we left. I did not,
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: so it was very late and then we missed the
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: week that we were we went to record something on
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: our phones, but you know we did. We did remember
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: we were going to say we were going to try
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: to record something. It might be bad audio, yes, and
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: then we never did. So we're back. So we will
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: record one this week about our vacation and I think
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about, uh the apartment six oh three,
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: the one with the girl that got that was a suicide,
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: with the twenty stab.
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  Speaker 2: Ones and then it was not class suicide.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a suicide, then it wasn't, then it was,
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  Speaker 1: then it wasn't, then it was in limbo, and now
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  Speaker 1: it's back.
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  Speaker 2: Again and it's a suicide.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, so anyway, so we might chitchat about that one anyways,
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• 4:28
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• 4:31
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• 4:33
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• 4:36
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• 5:01
  Speaker 1: would appreciate you all. Right, I think that is it?
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Because we're not going to talk about the vacation or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that except for that we did drive across
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  Speaker 1: this bridge where this woman was thrown over. It all right,
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get into our case out of Louisy,
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: Anna stew Yes, that's what they call that state. As
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  Speaker 1: I pull up my phone so I can.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that we were talking about it, you forgot what
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  Speaker 2: state we were going to.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was saying it's low so I could get
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  Speaker 1: my phone pulled out. So you're supposed to cover for me.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I got my phone and opened it. No,
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get my phone and open it
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  Speaker 1: to the case so I could keep going. And you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to cover, but you didn't. And now I've just
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  Speaker 1: had to explain this to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to Krotch Springs, Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to say that it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not Crotch Springs. It's crotch.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible name of the town.
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  Speaker 2: What was named after C. Kritz who was drilling for
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: oil and he found an artesian well instead. And now
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: an artesian well is different than groundwater because natural pressure
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: pushes the water up out of the ground. So people
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: think it's more healthy for you that way. But they
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  Speaker 2: say that groundwater and artesian water is no different from
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  Speaker 2: each other or chemically purified water.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you don't drink enough water anyway, So
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean artesianal arch, regional.
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  Speaker 2: New Blue spring, distilled.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Just drink it. Not the tap in
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  Speaker 1: the air, though you might it might order the next
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  Speaker 1: Flint Michigan for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll clog up your kidneys for sure.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So on July eighteenth, two thousand and nine,
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: now we have the history of Crotz Springs, Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: That what was not of You want more history?
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  Speaker 1: No, Around one am in Crotz Springs, Louisiana, krt Z,
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  Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department receives a call from a man saying
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: that he is concerned about his girlfriend. He said she's
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: been missing for about an hour. He can't find and
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: he's worried something has happened again. She's only been missing
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  Speaker 1: an hour. This is a grown woman. This is a
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  Speaker 1: grown woman. So he says his name is John Snyder,
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  Speaker 1: and so they recognize him on the phone call because
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  Speaker 1: he is pretty well known in the town. Again, this
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: is very small town. This is a small town for
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  Speaker 1: even Louisiana, which is I mean their biggest I understand,
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  Speaker 1: like in Texas if you're from that, If from Texas,
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  Speaker 1: a small town could be like I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: a small town of thirty five to forty thousand people
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  Speaker 1: in Louisiana. It's a decent size. Okay, yeah that's not
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  Speaker 1: but that's a small town in Texas. Not that we
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: don't have small towns. Like Alto was just down the
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  Speaker 1: road and it had like one hundred people. I mean
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: there were small towns, but I think this town only
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  Speaker 1: had two thousand people. Two hundred people.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't know what that counted.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a small town. So they knew John Snyder
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  Speaker 1: because his aunt was actually the chief of police. So
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  Speaker 1: they ask, huh.
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  Speaker 2: All three of them? Yeah, all three of the cops.
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  Speaker 2: She was the chief of them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was probably only three. So they ask what, uh,
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend's name is, and he says Davina Chapman. He
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  Speaker 1: tells him that they are at They were at Kelly's
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  Speaker 1: Tavern in cross Spring, which is the one that is
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  Speaker 1: closed now that has the dramas on the Facebook, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: they said they'll send somebody over to talk to him
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. Now you have to know that Kelly's tavern,
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  Speaker 1: they kind of go into it.
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  Speaker 2: It is to dive bard dive bar. It's my kind
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  Speaker 2: of place.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's Stu's kind of place. It is not my
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  Speaker 1: kind of place.
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  Speaker 2: So why you like the clubs?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't want any of that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: My type of place is home, my house. Yes. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a true dive bar, like it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get some seed folk in there, yes, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe some seed and the restaurants anyways, not anymore. He's
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  Speaker 1: got too many children to be yes, doing that nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So the deputy arrives at the scene and begins asking
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  Speaker 1: about the last time that John saw Divina, and he's
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  Speaker 1: and if there's any reason why she would just up
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  Speaker 1: and leave like this. He's insisted that she would never
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  Speaker 1: leave on her own accord like that and just walk
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  Speaker 1: off and with nobody, and he knows that there's got
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: to be something wrong wrong. So John he walks the
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  Speaker 1: police officers through the evening. He said that they were
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: in town for this boat race, due this big boat race,
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: which a big deal. Anyways, they arrived around eight o'clock
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  Speaker 1: at Kelly's Tavern to meet up with some family and friends.
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  Speaker 1: John says Divina began drinking heavily immediately upon arriving at
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  Speaker 1: the bar.
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  Speaker 2: Shot shot shots.
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  Speaker 1: A party girl.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not about the journey, it's just about getting there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So she was ready to it is already eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I should have already been gaming, like I should.
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  Speaker 1: I got to catch up with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Been there, Divin. I've been there myself.
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  Speaker 1: So he's trying to. He says that he tries to
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: slow her down a little bit, but that's just not
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  Speaker 1: her personality. She's gonna she likes to drink and party
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  Speaker 1: and everything like that. She's at the Kelly's Tavern and
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  Speaker 1: cross Spring. She's back home.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: You know, she's what everyone she knows, everybody knows her.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows everybody in that bar. Now. She was also
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: known to get quite a temper whenever she was drinking.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna add she wasn't the best drunk. Stuart,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: I do not get are you kidding me? I have
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: See it is no, No, this is just me normal.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I do not get angry when I'm drunk. I think
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a pretty fun drunk person. No, I just get tired. Usually,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just like good bed. Anyways, John tells the officer
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: that he decided that it was time for them to
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: go around ten or ten thirty, So do only here
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  Speaker 1: like two two and a half hours. And he's like,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a good Divina is out of control. Yes,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: so he said a friend of Divina shows up around
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  Speaker 1: that time. And this friend of hers his name was Jason.
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  Speaker 1: They were a bit flirty and and everything, and this
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  Speaker 1: was causing some issues between Divina and John, who are
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: boyfriend and.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend as one would think so.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so this interaction happens. John said he did get
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: upset about it and everything that, but she this is
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: what made him want to leave. He's like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to go. This guy's here, you're flirting with him. We
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: need to get out here.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he an X as well, Well, we're.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Going to talk about it too, Yes, Stuart, we're going
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, they were like lovers.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: They weren't on again, off again situation. So there might
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: have been some cheating involved, so Divina did not agree
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: with leaving, and they got into an argument in the
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: parking lot, and John says that he left for about
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: a half an hour to cool off, and when he
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: came back, that's when he noticed that she was gone.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: So he looks around for and everything that that's when
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: he calls police around one am. The officer spoke to
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  Speaker 1: a few other people in the bar, and nobody remember
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  Speaker 1: seeing Divina or the other guy, Jason after John left,
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  Speaker 1: So nobody's seen Divina and nobody saw Jason. So John
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: is thinking.
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  Speaker 2: That Devina ran off with Jason.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, Or Jason has taken kidnapped her.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, he has taken her.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Does John have a certain set of skills?
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: No, John has no skills whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: The officer began looking around the bar to see if
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: they could find any signs of Divina or what happened
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: to her where she may have gone. A friend of hers,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: while doing a search conducting the search outside the bar,
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: did find one of her shoes was left behind, indicating
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: that she probably wouldn't be able to get too far
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: with only one shoe. Not out there in the swamp,
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to be walking around one shoe. Meanwhile, yes,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: and this is a rural area.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: This is not a there's probably not a real side.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: They do not have sidewalks.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: I saw them there by the Billies, Cracklings and Budan.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, well that Billy's put them in himself, because that's
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: a nice establishments. Back then, in two thousand and nine
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: and cross Spring, they had no real sidewalks. I guarandamn
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: tee it. They had that one of them gravelly rocky
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: roads out there that you would have to walk on
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: or you'd have to walk on the highway.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember because I didn't frequent krit Springs too
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: much back in two thousand and nine, but started in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I drove through it quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm just telling you that it would be
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: rough to walk around with no shoes. It'd be rough
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: to walk a distance because she was wearing flip flops.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: It'd be rough to walk any distance even with both
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: shoes in the like the cheap flip flops.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: How do you know they're cheap?
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  Speaker 1: There were those thin flip flops. It wasn't a leather
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: sole or anything.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: Saying that Divanda got them at a dollar storm.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: At the Walmart anyway. Meanwhile, John and his cousin are
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: dry having around looking for Divina, so they call her mom.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: Devina's mom hadn't heard from r either.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Divina's mom does not live in Tount either. Divina's mom
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  Speaker 1: lives northern Louisiana.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: I believe, yeah, somewhere, Okay, it doesn't.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Matter the city. Still, they didn't say it's northern Louisiana.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't live in the Crat Springs.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: No, so it's not like no, they don't either, that's
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: where they're from though, yes, okay.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Divina's mother is like John Divina. They get in
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: little spats all the time. They go cool off whatever.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Divina usually turns up at work on Monday because she
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: always calls her boss if she's not going to be
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: at work.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she would check in or actually they said
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: she would just show up. She's one of these people
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: that she would show up.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll go off the grid and then she'll just
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: be at work on Monday. And if for some reason
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: she's not going to be at work, she always calls
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: her boss. So Mama is not concerned. She said, if
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: she doesn't show up for work on Monday or doesn't
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: call in, then I'll be concerned. However, John was putting
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: together a search party because he was certain that something
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: had happened to Divina, and since his aunt was the
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: chief of police, she sent a detective to start asking
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: questions and start the investigation.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it wasn't an official investigations too. They called
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: in a favor because again, she she's only she's a
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: grown she was thirty two years old. She's only been
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: missing for an hour or at this point maybe two
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: or three. Yeah, and she's been drinking heavily. You can't
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance she just ran off with someone.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: They don't know where Jason is or anything that they
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: just have. This is John in charge of this because
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: he has connections, calling his aunt and his aunt being like, hey,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I'll send a detective in to ask questions, but it
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: won't be like an official investigation until we determined she's
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: actually truly missing. So the detect what do you have
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just in awe of your beauty, honey.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. The detective begins speaking to the bar and he
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: tells them that it was a very busy night that
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: night at the tavern due to that boat race in town.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of know what this boat race is, well.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: The town was. I can't remember what the town was.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I might have mentioned what the name of the what
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: did it's I feel like it started with an E.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. Anyways, it's uh, it's it's a it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a boat race. Do I thought I wrote down the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: town and what the actual boat race was, but I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: guess I didn't. So anyways, so he's like, hey, it's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: very busy in here. There's this this big fest or
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: this big boat race in town, and so on top
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of all the regulars, there was a lot of tourists
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: in town as well, as he said, a bunch of
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: pipeline workers due to the area that they were. There
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: was a refinery or something nearby, and there's just a
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: lot of pipeline workers such.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: A repairs, new pipelines, something going on.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Now. Pipeline workers can be coming from or they do
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: come from all over the country. It's not just some
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: locals being like, you got to have skill sets to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: be you gotta be a welder to be a pipeline worker.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: And so anyway, so they're coming from all over place.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: So this is a different set of people. It's transient workers,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: which we are familiar with out here. We live in
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: West Texas.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: You're a transient worker, We're no.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: That's not what a transient Transiit means coming in and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: out of town all the time. Used to be okay,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I used to be a transient worker. We're not transient worker.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: We live here now. But there's a lot of truck drivers,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like that, just coming and working
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: for a week or two at a time and then leaving.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of people coming and going,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and you don't know really who these people are because
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: let me tell you what they don't. It's very difficult
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: to find a whole group of people to work that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: don't have a criminal history to do that type of work.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you that in my experience.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: You're saying they hadn't been fully betted. Possibly, Well, no
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: they can't. We're not going to worry about such. If
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you got some of these crimes on your thing, we're
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: not going out with someone.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Well they don't. No, they don't even run the background
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: checks after you take down to a certain level you
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: don't like. So there's a hierarchy, and once you get
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: below a certain level in terms of workers, they don't
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: even run them because they're probably gonna have a criminal history,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and you can't be worried about that, because otherwise you
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: won't have anybody to do any.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Of the work. Now, they're more concerned if you've got
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: a traffic violation because you can't drive a company.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Track or that that, or if you've done something in
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: terms of monetary.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, some type of equipment of cash or of like
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: at these places, like fuel like oil and stuff like
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that that they steal, you got to worry.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: About, all right. So we've got the tourists in town,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: we've got the pipeline workers, and they're all convening at
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: this bar because they're with the locals, with the locals,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: because there's no other game in town. He did say
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that Divina was drinking a lot, so this would make
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: her an easier target. The bartender said she was slamming
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: them back, you know. Now, the bartender had mentioned that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Divina did have an on again, off again relationship with
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that mal friend Jason Thibodeaux that was flirting with her.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That caused a fight between her and John. So detectives
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: are looking at this person who might be someone that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: did something to Divina or she left with or whatever.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: At this point, Yeah, so they don't know if she left,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: she was taking what the hell happened to poor Divina.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: The only thing, the only reason they're looking into this
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: right now is because John is certain something bad happened
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: He is not letting this go in related. Yes, Otherwise,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: if he wouldn't have.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Been related, they wouldn't even be looking at this right
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: now at all.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, John is continuing the search, and he has basically
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: put himself in charge of directing all these volunteers. He's
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: basically gathered, sending them, giving him areas to look for,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: sending him through the swamps down the rivers. Now, crot
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Spring is very I would say, rural, Carol, would you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Know, Yes, the road, I think said earlier.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: The base of the road, there's basically a levee there,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and then you got a swamp on one side, woods
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and crap on the other side.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like when we drove through it,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it basically the highway goes through and then crosses that
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: bridge that we're gonna talk about in a little bit.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And then there's some businesses on either side.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: There's a bridge right there in Crott Springs that goes
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: over the river, and then you get to the four
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: mile bridge after that going over the basin.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, anyways, when we drove it seemed like it
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was one of those towns where there's some there's a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: highway running through the middle of it, there's some businesses
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on either side of the town. I don't know what's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: going on deeper into the town. I don't know if
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: there's much, but it is very there's a bunch of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much the town. Okay. So yeah, so it's one
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of those like just drive by towns.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: There's not even that's where all the public buildings are.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: There's some houses and private residences down in the in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the swamps.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Now, if you've ever been Louisiana in this area areas.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Or just a no, you don't have to be in Louisiana,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: just imagine a swamp Louisiana.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Like Florida anywhere, or Shrek, you know, or Shrek. Now,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I don't see them alligators.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I know they don't have much water for a swamp.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I think that they're a little misrepresentation of a yes,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of a swamp, because Shrek was not. I didn't see
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in a bunch of water or nothing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: He was kind of down in a hollow instead of it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He just looked like he was in a forested area. Anyways,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: moving on from.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, so you got gators, you got snakes, you
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: got all sorts of creepy Crawley's kill the neutral rats.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Bugs, bugs, the mosquitos. The side of it's a July too, Yes,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: this is July.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Humidity's out. Every damn bug and creature in South Louisiana
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: is out.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: They are at their peak at right now. They have bread,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: this is in their climate.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It's great. Hmm. Well, the detective begins talking to John,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: trying to so.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The point of that is it's hinder. It does hinder.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: The search party takes longer to search. But they got
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: some some Louisiana.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Boys down there, got their boats, air boats, definitely got
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: their their swamp boats out there out there looking for
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Divina out there in the swamps. Detectives start talking to John,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: talking to him. They're trying to get a better understanding
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of what Divina's movements were the night that she went missing.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: John tells the detectives about the evening, how he became
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: upset with Divina and that he decided to leave and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: go for a drive. He tells him again that the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: friend of hers was a problem, and he is a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: certain that old Jason had something to do with Divina's disappearance.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: The detective tries to get some better understanding of Divina
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and John's relationship. Family and friends tell the detective that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Divina met John and they had been dating for about
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: four years. They know it no longer lived in Crost Springs, however,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and they live just outside of Baton Rouge. John was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: working at a factory and Divina was working as a receptionist.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Divina was known to be a bit of a wild Childcara.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: She loved a party, and every party she went to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they say she was the life of it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she was, because she was the life of
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the party. She was very popular in town, made friends easily.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody knew her, so it was easy to get people
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Search for Yeah, because everybody seemed to like.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody's afraid of John and his aunt.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess now. In the relationship, John was
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the more steady of the two, while Divina was known
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: as kind of the wild and crazy one.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then her mother did speak on the relationship
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and she said that John was very protective of Divina
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and he really did love her a lot.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like they were now, that he would do just about
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: anything to plays her or make her happy and all
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that other stuff.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So they had no reason to think he would ever
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: harm her anything. So that's why they're really focusing on
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: on this, Jason felt. Now, Monday, July twentieth, investigators called
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Divena's place of work and ask if she has shown
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: up there, because at this point, John is putting together
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: all the search parties and the aunt has a detective
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: looking into it. But like I said, there's no larger
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: official missing person's search going on. This is all like
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: an inside job. So Divina's family even at this point,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: was still not concerned unless they find out she did
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: not show up for work because like I said, she
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is known to be a very hard worker and she
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: would not miss a shift. So detective calls up and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: speak to speaks to Divina's boss and he says, hey, yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: she's in right now. So they're like okay, So he's like, yeah,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: let me go check check in on or whatever, she's here,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: because that's how certain he was that she would show
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: up for work. And he's like, gets back on the phone.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, wait a minute, she's not here. This is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. So, now that Divina has failed to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: show up for work and she's been missing for over
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours, they speak to the family and this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: has now the mom's concerned everything, and this has turned
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: into a full blown investigation. Now. During this time, John
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and his mother they go on to speak to reporters,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: begging for anyone to come forward with any information on
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: where Divina might be. He's crying, he's upset, he's been
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: up for hours organizing these search parties trying to find
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: The detective tracks down the male friend of the Vina's.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: This is the one, mister Jason Tibbadoo. He was the
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: one that John insisted had something to do with her disappearance.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: While speaking to detective, Jason denies any involvement and says
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that he only interacted with Divina for a short period
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of time that night and that was all there was
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to it. However, he doesn't see he doesn't have an alibi,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and he didn't really seem that concerned about what happened
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to Divina. The detective finds him very suspicious, but since
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: he has nothing to hold him on, they sent him
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: about his way.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason's kind of like the smokes a lot of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: weird parties, so he's not the most reliable, so he
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: probably doesn't have an alibi. At the middle of the night,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: at like one o'clock.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: In the morning, I was playing poker with Tigger and Pooh,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: smoking a blunt.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, oddly specific.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know what happens.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know what.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, by Tuesday, Devina had been missing for over three days. John,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: who is still pretty much leading this search, decides that
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: they need to expand their search to include a place
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: called the four Mile Bridge. This is an area outside
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of crot Springs.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: That's what stew was talking about, the area where you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: drive through Crost Springs. And then I guess we went
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: over a.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Bridge, We went over a river, got out of crass.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You keep making this motion like it like we're going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: out at Galveston.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: We went up over that one bridge, a big tall bridge. Yes,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: were you not in the car with me?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yes? I was in the car with you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how. You don't remember that bridge?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Was it the one with the yellow.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Yellow stripes on it? I don't know, no lines in
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the middle.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Was it a huge bridge?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: That was it higher over the river? Yes, leaving Croft
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Springs that went ran through the woods to Saint Francis
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: phil We go.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Okay anyway, So this is this is extending quite a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bit outside of the actual town of Crott Springs where
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they had been searching. This is now apparently have to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: go over a bridge, four mile bridge.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: If you've ever been on the I ten bridge crossing
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: over the basin, you know it's just a bunch of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: swamp out there.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the similar to four mile bridge.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, because everything crot Springs, all those towns are on
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: one niney, which is north of I ten. It runs
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: parallel to I ten, so you're crossing the same swamp
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: at a different place up north.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. So if you've ever been on that Basin bridge,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: which some of you might have been, it is literally
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you can get stuck on that bridge if there's any
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: type of accent. There's no way to get off. You're
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: just stuck. You're in literally over the swamp.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, for hours, I was stuck on that bridge for
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: six hours once.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how many miles it is, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you can get stuck on that bridge because there's nowhere
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to go. This is similar, except for it's only four
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: miles apparently because it's called four mile Bridge.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Yes, so it's difficult. It's a difficult
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: area to search. A friend of John's by the name
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of Philip Edwards was searching along the four mile Bridge
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: along US Highway one ninety. Now they're down below. They're
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: not on top of the bridge. They're searching down below
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in the swamp. They're in the swamp, they're not on
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the bridge looking over the rail, and they find to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: be in his body. It was found on private property
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and it was not in a place where anyone would
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: be going on a regular basis. And it's a very
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: isolated area due to the temperatures and the environment of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the area.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's July again, it's hot, it's humid, it's swampy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It's terrible even in October.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, even Yeah, I'm not ever going to another pumpkin
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: patch unless it's sixty five degrees outside or lower or lower. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I'm no, I've I've I've got to move out of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the south. It's too hot here. Anyways, we were just
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in the middle of so her body is bloated and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: already decomposing. So why do we always do I feel
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like it's because it's uncomfortable. Maybe we start trying to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: say something.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: About the environment. Why it's why it's.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Like we always whenever we're talking about when finding the bodies,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: we always seem to sidetrack, sidetrack. Maybe it's because we're uncomfortable,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you know, so before you guys judge es.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Or do maybe we're not uncomfortable.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe we're just terrible people. It's possibility, yes, okay, anyway, so.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: We do get a lot of comments of that nature.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, So they in all seriousness, they where John told
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: them to go search this friend of his, goes in
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: search and they find her decomposing body. They're in shock
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to like, can this even this? There's no way this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is Divina, Like this is the last place that they
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: would have even imagined she would end up. And so
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: they find it and then it turns out to be her.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't think it was her when they originally
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: found her because her body was so decomposed. They're like,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: this can't be her.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not decomposed, more like it was like bloated.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: It just looked very Yeah she.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Was anyways, So now that they have discovered Divina's body,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this missing person investigation house now turned into a homicide
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: investigation now due to the location of the body. Whenever
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: this turned into this homicide investigation, it actually transferred to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the next parish over because her body was found just
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: beyond the parish lines outside of Saint Landry Parish and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it was in Point Coupey. I don't know, that's how
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they pronounced it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: That's how they that's how the French pronounced it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not how they pronounced it on the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: TV show.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Announce it the way it's people say, in the way
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it's spelled here le point coop point point coopy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Point coopee p o I n t cou Pe. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: remember these are parishes, not counties, because it's Louisiana, so
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they would need uh. So, now this new detective is
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: taken over. He will work with the other one though
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you'll see now they would need an autopsy to determine
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the cause of death. During that autopsy, they found that
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: she had lacerations to her liver and spleen. Those injuries
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: caused an accumulation of blood in Divina's abdominal cavity in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: this ultimately proved fatal. Now, in addition to the injuries
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to her spleen and liver, she also had broken bones
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: on the side of her face. This indicate that she
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: had been punched or struck on the side of the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: head with something prior to falling or jumping off the bridge. Now,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: also during the autopsy and looking at the crime scene,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they did determine that this is the really disturbing part
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of it, Divina was still alive when she was thrown
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: off the bridge, fell off the bridge, or jumped off
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the bridge, because again they still don't know. With her
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: being punched on the side of the face, it's indicating
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that there was foul play involved. That appeared that she
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: was trying to crawl out of the area because they
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: could see the dirt underneath her fingernails and like the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: marks and this. So she's trying to crawl the area
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to try to get help, and she slowly dies from
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: her injuries because it's just she's got that spleen laceration.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: They estimated that she was alive for about six hours
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: trying to get out. So this is like horrific way
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to pass away.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know how far she crawled. They
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: didn't really say how far she had crawled. They just
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: said that they knew that she had crawled from. Yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they knew there was one point to another.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and her trying to get her trying to get out.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: The new detective speaks to the detective from Saint Landry Parish.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I just wrote new detective, because I couldn't. I knew
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't build a paul. Yeah, I knew I wan
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to pronounce it. So I even say atchafalayah wrong or whatever,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yes you did. How do you say it a check
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a chaffelon whatever.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy on the show said it wrong to him, Yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: he numerous times. Anyway. The new detective from Ponkope is
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: investigating the missing person case, trying to go over the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: possible suspects. He told him that everybody had an alibi
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: except for Jason and the boyfriend John. The Poncope detective
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: starts asking around about John again because he's the last
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: one that saw Devina alive. That they're aware of. They
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: find out from the person who found Deviina that John
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: was the one that told them to go look there.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: But they also said that John told him to look
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in a lot of places and that just happened to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: be the last place that he had sent him to.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Ye, so the guy, the friends of his were like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: he's in. He told us to go everywhere like this
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: is just one fifty one, one of fifty places. He said, Hey,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: go search in this area, go search in this area,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and this is where she happened to be. Nobody. None
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of the friends found it suspicious that he was the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: one that told him. The detective, however, did find it suspicious.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, because finding that this suspicious, the detective brings John
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: in for even more.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Questioning, which he should have been questioned more to begin with.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: He got a pass because of his relations to the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's tomorrow.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: But I han't related to nobody over on the other parents.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Nobody gives a fuck over there.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: No, they don't. So this new detective starts poking holes
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in John's story. As they're doing this, John loses his temperance,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: says I tried to stop her, she jumped off and
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they're like, wait a minute, you need to start this
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: all over again from the beginning. Tell us the story.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: This was no more times us at all. You said
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that got up. You guys got in a fight and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you left to cool off. And then that was the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: last time he saw her and she Jason.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Tibetu and now she did what now?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So John begins walking through his story. He tells
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the detectives that him and Divina had to fight at
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the bar and she got into the car with him.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Now he's thinking that they're gonna calm down as they
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: drive around, talk it out or and everything. You can't. Also,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she was really drunk and he was drinking. You that's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster. Just I watched all those people
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: on Love is Blind and they I was watching that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: season of Love is Blind and that girl that so
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: they so if you've never seen Love is Blind, they
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: chat and they can't see each other and they have
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to get engaged to meet each other.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And so this one couple there, they put him in
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: situations where they're gonna drink.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So the show does don't see what happens.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's available to him. They cannot drink if
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they don't want to. So the one, the girl and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the guy, this is a new couple. They just now
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: met each other. I mean they've been talking to each
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: other for like ten days over this pod, but they
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: met in person in Baja Mexico. So they're at this resort.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They're having a good time. Well then they have the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: party where they everybody's drinking. The guy drinks a whole
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: bunch and he decides he's gonna go back to the room,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and then she goes back and they get into it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and she's still like just talking him. It's like, you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: just gotta when someone's that drunk, you just gotta walk away, Okay,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Like nothing positive is gonna come out of this.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I just think you're gonna have a come to Jesus
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: moment and relationship and everything all. And then she was
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: clouds will part and the sun will shine that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And then of course he's drunk, so he's just trying
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to pass out in the bed. And then she's not
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: saying he wasn't in the wrong, but it's just you're
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: not gonna get any sense out of it. And then
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: she's crying in the room, and then she's like he's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: not coming to. I mean, been there, done that, sister.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: It don't work. Okay, all right, So but there new
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they were a brand new couples. So they need to learn.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I think John and Avina should have learned a long
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: time ago. You don't argue when you're drunk. Well, there,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they've been together four years. Sounds like they did a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: lot of art their best arguing when they were drinking.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he so he's thinking they're gonna calm She's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: gonna calm down. However, he says, she just keeps getting
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: more wild. Now while they're on the forem Old Bridge,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he claims that she opened her door and like got
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: out while the truck was moving. She stumbles towards the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: edge of the bridge and she ends up falling off. Now,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: he indicated that she fell off while she was in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the pro He says that she was in the process
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of trying to jump. He was pulling her off. That's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: why he said she fell off the bridge, because he
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was trying to stop her from jumping, but she was
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: trying to fling herself off. There. He says he didn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: know what to do. He thought she would be dead,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and so he was afraid he was going to get
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: in trouble, so he just left her there, he said.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: He drove around for a little bit longer, trying to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: come up with his story, like what am I gonna do?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What am I gonna tell anybody? And this is when
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: he heads back to the bar. It's like, Okay, I'm
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: gonna call. I'm gonna be the concerned boyfriend. So John
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: is sticking to his stories. So detectives do take him
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: in because they don't have they can't get him to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: admit that he did something wrong, but they do have
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: enough that he was at the crime scene, he knew
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that she fell slash jumped off the bridge, and he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: didn't help her. He left her there. And now at
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: this point they know she was alive for six hours afterward,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: so they can at least arrest him from not rendering aid.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I was unaware that was a crime.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, So you can't let someone.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Just you can't just watch him drown.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: No, you can't just like walk have see someone jump
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: off a bridge or whatever, not call anybody.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Can't watch them just get mugged and laugh at him
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and film it like Seinfeld in the lane and you
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: don't remember. That's how that's how the series ended. They
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: went to jail because they watched the guy getting mugged.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Oh is that what happened? Yeah, so you can't do that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So he's in so they're our able to at least
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: arrest him for that reason, to buy him some more
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: time to look into this.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can keep him where they know he's at
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: while they investigate further, and then they can go in
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: there and just question him because they already got him.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: While they have John in custody, they obtain a search
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: warrant to check out his vehicle. On his vehicle the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: night that Deviana went missing, he did have a broken
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: windshield on the passenger side of the vehicle. His friend
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: said that John had punched the glass. However, when looking
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: at the forensic evidence around the broken windshield that found
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the beans blood, indicating he possibly smashed her head into
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the side the passenger side of the windshield, which cracked
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: her windshild, which has got to be pretty hard. But
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: then again, you got to remember that in her autop
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: her orbital socket was fractured on the side of her face,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: so he probably did smash her face in his windshield
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and broke her when well, they.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Think that he too. Well we'll get into it, but
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: they think he punched her first to kind of knock
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: her off, and then she tried to run. That's when
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: he slammed her back into the windshield. So that may
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: not initially broke that, but it did cause all the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: blood in the damage. But that is a hard smash
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: into a windshield.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, if you try and punch your windshield,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna crack that easily.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: So they could have looked at his hand to see
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that he didn't have I don't know if he did
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: punch her in the face, though he might have.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Had some some bruising.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: He seemed like the kind that would always be in
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: a fight anyway, so it would have been like, oh, yeah, John's.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Hands are always fucked up. Yeah, I fight went old
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: t Bow and Tobodeau. Now, in addition to the broken
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: windshield with the blood of Divina, there was a bloody
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: handprint on the vehicle. It was Devina's blood, however, it
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: was John's handprint, so they got her blood on his
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: palm print, his pomp print in her blood.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously there's.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: So now please have enough to arrest John for Divina's murder.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You would think that all this stuff going on, he
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: would have washed his truck at some point. I don't.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I think he had just so much. Uh, he just
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: thought I'm going to get away with this because my
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: mom's the chief, you.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Know, my aunt y, Yeah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Or his aunt's a chief or whatever. Now, during John's trial,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: prosecutors painted a picture of John callously leaving Divina to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: die under the bridge. They believed that they got into
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: an argument in the parking lot about Jason about whatever.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: He punched her and then slammed her head into the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: window it. He then dragged her into the vehicle, driving
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: her to the four mile bridge, and then throwing her
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: over the side. Now, the thirty foot fall from the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: bridge is what caused her spleen to rupture and slowly
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: kill her in the end. Now, it only took the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: jury about a couple hours, they said, to find him
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: guilty of second degree murder, and he was sentenced to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: life in prison without the possibility of pearl. What was
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: crazy about it, though, was you really the way that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the mom talked about John and Divina. She's like, he
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: just loved her so much, and da da da, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: mean and she is talking about this.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: After the fact, after the fact.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yea, I would not like have a hard time saying
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, But I guess she was just in
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: her mind he did love her at the time or
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: what she thought. Yeah, but there was no they didn't
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: have any indication of I mean, she probably did think
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that because there was no indication of any type of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: domestic violence or anything prior to this incident. So, uh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it looked like this was a singular incident in their
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: relationship as opposed to just you know, people saying coming
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: forward and say, you know, she did always have bruises
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: or something like that. He didn't seem like he was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: abusive during the relationship, but then he did went and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: did something this terrible to leave her. Because the thing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that they painted in the trial was that how could
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: he know he knew she was laying there the whole
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: entire time and just didn't do anything, like for days
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: he knew she was laying there. Yeah, she's very disturbing,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: which he said that he thought she was dead. But
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, like it's just it's just really messed
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: up anyway. Stue, do you have a y'all need Jesus Why.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do, Kara. Would you like to hear it?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well let me pull it up. Okay. Coming to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: us from w AFB Live in local news Kara from
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Heather Fun January two, twenty ten.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: You didn't ask me Florida or not FLA.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't give you the headline. Accused murder arrested on
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: unrelated charges while out on bail Florida not Florida, not Florida. Gonzales, Louisiana,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a man who was out on bail and on house
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: arrest while facing murder charges and the death of his girlfriend,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is back behind bars. According to the Ascension Parish Sheriff's office,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: The man, aged thirty six, of Gonzalez, was arrested on
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday night and charged with DWI and hit and run.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Investigators said he rear ended a deputy's unmarked vehicle at
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: around nine forty five pm and then he drove off.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: He was out on bond from pont Coupee Parrish in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: connection with the murder of his girlfriend.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Is this sounding familiar, guys.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: According to conditions of the man's release, he was supposed
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: to be under house arrest and wear an ankle bracelet
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to track his whereabouts. He was only allowed to go
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to work court and appointments with his an attorney.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: He was not allowed to go to the Jambalaya Festival.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Deputies said he had beer tickets from the Jambalaya Festival
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and Gonzales on him when he was arrested. Bond has
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: not been set for the charges related to the hit
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and run. John Snyder is being held in the Ascension
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Parish jail. Official Zimpunt Coupee Parish have been notified of
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Snyder's apparent violation of the terms of his bail there.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, did you read the charges he was charged with
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: DWI It was alcohol in it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I don't have that one in this article.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: A hit and run and something else. Yes, are y'all
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: need Jesus is the guy? So the guy got it,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the John guy that killed his girlfriend. They let his
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: dumbass get out on bill two hundred and fifty thousand
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: dollars bill or something like that. He's released.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the best part is the hit and run. Here's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: another news article from the Gonzalez Weekly Man on house
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: arrest rear ends unmarked Sheriff's department car.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that probably would have been the article I sent
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you stew but she said you'd find it yourself.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: So wow, Well I found the WAFB one. I didn't
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: realize that woudn't have all the stuff. I didn't want
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: you to have to tap dance and cover while I
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: read three or four different articles to find the one.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I told you i'd send it to you. I had this,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I had looked this up to put into our case.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: That about what he did. And we were like, oh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that's a perfect yelling Jesus that this idiot is out
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: on bond from killing his girlfriend and gets in a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: dw I and rears an unmarked Sheriff's department car.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: He was arrested on May thirtythin gonzale Is following a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: hit and run accident in which they suspect ran into
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: an unmarked sheriff's car.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, we already went through the stories. Due it's over.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: We didn't say he was in a hit and run.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Do not say that because she didn't read the right article.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't read the right art.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't know. Okay, let's start over.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I probably need to read this article an
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: accused murder on house arrest Penny trial Karra Florida, enough
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Florda was arrested May thirty, think Gonzalez following a hit
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and run accident in which the suspect ran into unmarked
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: sheriff's car again for the fiftieth time, Larry Snyder, Junior,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: thirty six of fourteen one one one Caesar Road. Gonzalez
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: rear into the sheriff's unmarked car on Cornerview Road shortly
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: after nine thirty pm, then fled the scene. The deputy
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: who was hit gave a chase, and Snyder pulled into
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: a parking lot about a half mile away. Snyder was
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: wearing an ankle bracelet and was out on jail from
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Point Compee Perrish at the time. According to court minutes
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: from poink a Pee, he was released on two hundred
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars bond with the condition that he
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: will be under house arrest where his ankle bracelet. At
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the time of his arrest, he was in possession of
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: beer tickets.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Like we said from the Jumbalai at Gonzalez.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: That is one I have never been to. I assume
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: it is a good one.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: There's fifty million festivals in Louisiana.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, there is. They got the Strawberry Festival on Paca too.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I never went to either. I need to go to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: that one one day anyway. From officers. Officers of the
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Gonzales Police Department the rest of Snyder following the May
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: thirtieth accident and charged him with hit and run driving,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: second DWI, improper laying usage, possession of alcoholic beverages in
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: a motor vehicle. They haven't set bond for his new.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Hopefully he didn't get out again. I didn't. I couldn't
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: find a follow up one. But he's in jail now.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Says his lawyer. Must have been like, oh my god.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: You idiot. I got you out on you did this
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and now you're doing it Like if there's if he's
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: not gonna if being on bond for murdering your girlfriend
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: isn't gonna get you right in the world. Ain't nothing
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: going to get you right you deserve.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was going party it up. He's like, but
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to jail for life anyway.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you get someone to drive you then a friend? Anyways?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: All right, Well that's how many friends you think he
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: got left after he got he found his time?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Oh please? The people are people out there.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well you're talking about my people down there.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: But he but he family, He can't be fine, that's John.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Put him to the crawfish boil.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Let's te John.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Come on going out to John's house to do a
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: crawfish boy can't leave. He got that ankle bracelet on. Anyways,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: all right, that's our case for this week. Uh, Patreon
• 48:29
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• 48:33
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours, early ad free, all the other things.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So that's all I got to say. We got to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: go do family pictures tonight. So that's just right. Yeah,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and it's still like it's freaking I did him for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the latest What the heck am I in?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, we're supposed to be there. We missed it soon,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: No we weren't.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, I did the latest date available. We just
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: do the mini sessions because the fact is I don't
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: want I don't really want to pay for pictures. And
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: we used to just set up a tripod and take
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: pictures ourselves, but we are now outnumbered and we cannot
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: get these children, like it's like an act of God
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to get these children to look at the camera and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: not cry. So this lady, we've done pictures with her
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. It does suck because it caught
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: their mini sessions. So it's on like fifteen to twenty minutes,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: which that's all you need, was you can't be doing
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: an hour, Like we can barely get these children to payttention.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when you try to get that girl to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: do it in Europe and it was a complete night.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Oh that was a nightmare. And then she didn't even
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: get any of our whole family together. Right. We did
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: them at the Christmas Market, and I feel like.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: We were on a cruise or something. Hold in the hands.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did a bunch. Yes, we went and we
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: paid for someone to do pictures at the Christmas market.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: She did a bunch of Like I guess she was
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: more used to doing couples or something. I didn't realize
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: she had taken it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: She must have been a cruise line photographer at some point.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Ye. She kept having me and Stu like hold hands
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and like look at each other and stuff of that,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: and we're just like, we just wanted you to take
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: pictures of our children and some like family phoes. We
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: do not want these weird like poses like cruise ship poses.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, always which cruise ship poser like prom pictures.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, they we're starting to look a little promised or graduation.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So we have no And then most of them I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: had like my red coat on and everything that, and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: most of them I had that pacifier hanging out in
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the pocket. She never said anything, and she didn't edit
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it out or anything like that. So I'm at the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I never even posted any of thee
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: or anything because I was so upset about the photos.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, do you have any more of us
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: as a family. She's like, oh, no, those are the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: only ones I had. I gave you all. There was
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: like two. Anyways, I picked the latest date in October.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I picked the latest one in the evening. Also, because
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you want to try to get sunset that's the best lighting. Yes,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: so I got the latest that we could. But it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: still going to be like ninety degrees outside and we
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: have to dress like we're in full because she does
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the she edits it to make the lighting look like somehow.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know how she did it last year, but
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: we went and took pictures last year and we were
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: out in this like filled with all these stickers and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: trash and all this stuff, and so in the middle
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of West Texas everything was like green, which they have
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: to do it there because it is the only place
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: with a tree. Yeah, the only place that looks like
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: it has some trees. Anyway, she's able to like model,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: like edit the lighting so it looks more foolish. So anyway,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna go out there and by the time
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: we're done, though, you're like sweating and stuff. But I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: did sign us up to do it at the other
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: place now, so we don't have to walk through the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the the forest and I use that term lightly.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, we don't have to go to the same swat.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: No, I told you we're going to that one place,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the that we went and ate at that British the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: neighbor that owns the British. Uh, that wasn't that green?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It was fun. I like it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: That's the neighbor situation. That's a conversation for the shoe poo.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: So well that's already been in this podcast.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the dog drama. Yeah, all right, so we're
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: going to do that. We gotta go get ready, But
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: all right, that is our episode and I guess we
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: will see you next time.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: What I'm not gonna ask me if I know anything
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: else does what?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got some bit of advice for you. Okay,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: on the same night you never take a sleep and
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: pulling the like of this oh my God's advice corner.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: No, we're not doing Stu's advice at all. All right,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that's it, buyveryone.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Say bye bye, Steve. Don't you know it's bad to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: be supersticious? But nothing else is working. It's pretty hurting
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: sick of this worthy I can