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9-24-26 Hour 1 - Avs-Broncos connection/Payton & McDonald respond to VideoGate/Chad Brown · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, I'd like to make a comparison on something because
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot we have to discuss today. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of audio I want to get to regarding the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: biz and what he said about the Avs a couple
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  Speaker 2: days ago. I want to get your thoughts on that, Moj.
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  Speaker 2: But can I start with a little mix of both,
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  Speaker 2: if you will? It's funny. On Tuesday, we're doing the show.
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  Speaker 2: The Broncos beat the Jags Monday night football 20-13. And
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  Speaker 2: there is sort of this divide, at least for me mentally,
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  Speaker 2: of really happy the Broncos got the win. That game
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  Speaker 2: looked a lot like last year. Couldn't Ignore what I
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  Speaker 2: saw early in that game, especially when the entire offseason
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  Speaker 2: giving play calling duties over to Davis Webb were about
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  Speaker 2: starting faster. And I think the better opponents that you play,
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  Speaker 2: the more importance it puts on faster starts. But here's
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  Speaker 2: what it kind of reminded me of. The Colorado Avalanche
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  Speaker 2: last year were the best team in hockey, basically from
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  Speaker 2: the start of the season up until the final four
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  Speaker 2: games that they played. They were number one in virtually
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  Speaker 2: every category. Goals scored, goals against, wins, number one in
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  Speaker 2: the standings, goaltending, all of it. But there was one thing,
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  Speaker 2: despite all of the wins... in all of the winning
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  Speaker 2: they were doing, that was a constant sort of cloud
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  Speaker 2: that hung over them. What was it? The power play.
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  Speaker 2: And it was extra emphasis on the power play because
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  Speaker 2: they had those problems heading into that offseason. They fired
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  Speaker 2: their special teams coach. They put a new guy in charge.
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  Speaker 2: Season started, and it was the same thing. And even
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  Speaker 2: with the Avs winning as much as they did, we
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  Speaker 2: all kind of thought, that's got to get fixed. by
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  Speaker 2: the time the playoffs start, or that's going to hurt you, right?
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  Speaker 2: You're winning. But you can tell this is a very
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  Speaker 2: important thing that could matter when you can least afford
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  Speaker 2: that to matter. And that's how I feel about the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos' offense to start games right now.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the thing? Is it the play calling?
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  Speaker 2: It's the faster starts. It's just that there's not enough
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning. It's been two weeks. Fully acknowledge that.
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  Speaker 2: The season's just started. But through two weeks... You made
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  Speaker 2: a commitment in the offseason and changed a play caller
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  Speaker 2: in an effort to get faster starts, and you haven't.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you have games against the Rams or
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  Speaker 2: next week against the Niners in San Francisco, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that can be afforded and still win in the
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  Speaker 2: same way you've been doing it. That's my comparison. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we felt that way about the Avs, and somebody could
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  Speaker 2: have said, why are you so hung up on the
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  Speaker 2: power play? Moj, they're the best team in hockey. But
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  Speaker 2: you just know, you're like, This needs to get fixed, though.
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  Speaker 2: It's not good enough. And that's just kind of where
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  Speaker 2: I'm at right now.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think I've wondered this, too?
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  Speaker 4: Objectively speaking, let's say last year, Sean Payton has a
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  Speaker 4: bad game play calling and you go back and he says, man,
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  Speaker 4: I want that one back. How does he evaluate the
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  Speaker 4: play calling now? Is he tougher or is he the same?
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question. I I don't know what internally
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  Speaker 2: it is. But it's funny, I'm listening to his press
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  Speaker 2: conference yesterday, Vic, and you know what I noticed? He
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  Speaker 2: seems more chill in front of the microphone this year.
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  Speaker 2: Do you get that vibe?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's got as many things going on.
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  Speaker 4: I think his brain, part of his brain opened up
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  Speaker 4: because he let that responsibility go.
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  Speaker 3: But I also believe, last night I hosted that.
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  Speaker 4: Event with Seth Wickersham at the Tattered Cover, and we
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  Speaker 4: talked a little bit more thoroughly about the mind of
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  Speaker 4: Sean Page. and how he thinks. And Seth gave me
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  Speaker 4: some intel about just his brain is wired in a
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  Speaker 4: manner where there's always something to think of, the next
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  Speaker 4: thing to think about, right? So when you remove one thing,
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  Speaker 4: when you remove the play calling element, I just wonder
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  Speaker 4: how he evaluates it. I wonder how soon before he
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  Speaker 4: puts his foot down and says, okay, this ain't going
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  Speaker 4: to work.
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  Speaker 2: You've tried your stuff. You're still going to be in charge,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to start doing it this way now,
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, again, I think it's something to keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 4: They won the game against Jacksonville. And it's always the
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  Speaker 4: easy fallout, right? Like, why did the offense not work?
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  Speaker 3: What was it? Was it the call or was it
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  Speaker 3: the execution? You can go both ways on a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: Sure. Same kind of thing with the abs power play.
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  Speaker 5: You've got all that talent out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it? Was it the execution or was
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  Speaker 3: it the play?
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of everything. It's kind of everything.
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  Speaker 2: It depends.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the thing. You're going to have to give me
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  Speaker 5: a power play and say, why didn't this power play score? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you. But then the next power play,
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  Speaker 5: it's not the same thing as to why they didn't score.
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  Speaker 5: But that's why I make the comparison. Do you see
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Do you see why I'm making the comparison, though? It's
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of this is like, well, why can't
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  Speaker 2: that just be better? I don't get why it can't
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  Speaker 2: just be better.
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  Speaker 5: And with the Broncos offense in the first half, well,
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  Speaker 5: why did this drive stall? Well, I mean, this drive
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  Speaker 5: didn't stall for the same reason that drive stalled, but
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  Speaker 5: they're stalling.
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  Speaker 2: But late in a game, you watch the offense. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: that works. Whatever you're doing there, that works. Why can't
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  Speaker 2: that happen earlier? And with the Avs, the Avs score
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  Speaker 2: five goals. Why were they 0-5 on the power play, though?
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense. That's why I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: similar problem that both of those teams face, but at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, we understand both of those teams are
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  Speaker 2: very good and have shots to win championships, despite it.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it just feels like the problem is
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  Speaker 2: almost incorrectable for how long we've watched it not work,
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  Speaker 2: when it feels like it should be entirely correctable. It's
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  Speaker 2: just weird to me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and now they have the element of running back
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  Speaker 4: injuries that you have to deal with, which we didn't
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  Speaker 4: expect Jonah Coleman to pop up on the injury list.
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  Speaker 4: We're two weeks in, and every damn running back's got something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the injury report, both Harvey and Dobbins were
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  Speaker 2: limited in practice yesterday. Jonah Coleman... Was a DNP. So
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  Speaker 2: Dobbins has a hip.
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  Speaker 1: R.J.
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  Speaker 2: Harvey has a hamstring. Jonah Coleman has an ankle.
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  Speaker 5: Did you see Jonah Coleman get injured on Monday night?
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  Speaker 3: I never saw it. Do you recall a play? No.
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  Speaker 5: Because when I read that yesterday, he's not practicing, he's
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  Speaker 5: got this sprained ankle.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was fairly surprised.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's adrenaline.
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  Speaker 5: When the hell did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's Sean Payton talking about it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we're... We're good in that position. You know,
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  Speaker 7: today one was limited and the other one didn't practice,
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  Speaker 7: but I think we're going to be all right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But hang on a second. This is what confuses
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  Speaker 2: me about that answer. He said one was limited, one
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  Speaker 2: didn't practice.
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  Speaker 5: There's three.
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  Speaker 2: Why is he saying one and one?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the exact question may have been.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the question was referencing... It.
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  Speaker 2: Was if he has concern about running back injuries.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you've got three listed with a Q on their name.
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  Speaker 5: And then you've got Tyler Bidet.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe he just misspoke. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Who knows?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Brett, when you play armchair psychiatrist, what's your tell
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  Speaker 8: for when someone is lying or maybe isn't as confident
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  Speaker 8: as they say?
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  Speaker 2: They con me!
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we're... So are you going to be
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  Speaker 8: okay at that position, Sean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're... I think we're... I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 2: I think, look, one of these guys, pray to God,
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  Speaker 2: is going to go. Hopefully two of them. Hopefully all three.
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  Speaker 2: But I will tell you one thing. You have to
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  Speaker 2: commit to a run game every single week, especially this
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  Speaker 2: week against the Rams. They're trying to establish something on
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  Speaker 2: the ground, keep time of possession in your favor. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot harder to do that if
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  Speaker 2: your feature back is Tyler Bidet. I wouldn't even blame, really,
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  Speaker 2: Davis Webb. If he was like your guy because everybody
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  Speaker 2: else was too hurt to really give it a go,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't blame him if that was a pass-happy game
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday night if that's what's going on. So I
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  Speaker 2: hope that's not the case.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it makes things exponentially more difficult offensively because if
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  Speaker 5: the Rams know you have to pass a lot, Or
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  Speaker 5: are going to pass a lot. They're going to sit
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  Speaker 5: on the pass a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if Tyler Bidaze, you're starting running back, you can't, Vic,
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  Speaker 5: you can't not try to run the ball, right? You've
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  Speaker 5: got to try to run the football no matter who's
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  Speaker 5: back there. But I guess my thought is I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to put Coleman out. I mean, if you're not practicing
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  Speaker 5: with a sprained ankle, I'm just going to pretend that
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  Speaker 5: he's unavailable. That leaves two guys who are dealing with
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  Speaker 5: something that And one guy didn't play last week. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, how effective are they going to be? What
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  Speaker 5: percentage are they going to be if they do play
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  Speaker 5: and suck it up? Then you've got Tyler Bidet. And
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  Speaker 5: then who's on the practice squad? Cody Schrader, right?
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  Speaker 2: I think so, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Training camp darling, Cody Schrader, the speedster, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So he would be a guy that you would activate
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  Speaker 5: for Sunday night? But those aren't great options right now
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  Speaker 5: if you're trying to beat another best team in the
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  Speaker 5: National Football League.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they have to respect the run.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going back and looking at the game the other night,
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  Speaker 4: and the best play, the most effective play... for the Broncos,
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  Speaker 4: we're two games in, the most effective play is the
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  Speaker 4: play-action boot that opens up so many players downfield, right?
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  Speaker 4: It's that one, you've seen it so many times, this
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  Speaker 4: goes back to the Shanahan era. Fake the handoff, go
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  Speaker 4: one side, quarterback sort of takes a wide arc, you
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  Speaker 4: got the tight end underneath, You've got a receiver over
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  Speaker 4: the top. You've got another receiver from the other side
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  Speaker 4: way deep.
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  Speaker 3: It just opens up every layer of the field. It's
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  Speaker 3: one that both took advantage of.
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  Speaker 5: It opens up layers, but it closes off half the field, though,
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  Speaker 5: is what it does. So that's why some coaches don't
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  Speaker 5: like it because now you're just taking away half the
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  Speaker 5: field to work with, but you create layers on that
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  Speaker 5: side of the field, and if your quarterback can find
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  Speaker 5: a guy, it's great. That play, Vic, is sprint right 80.
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  Speaker 5: That's the play, sprint right 80.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the entire play call.
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  Speaker 5: That's what it was through the 49ers in the Shanahan era.
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  Speaker 3: I wish it was that short. Sprint right 80.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody knows.
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  Speaker 2: But when Davis Webb has the play sheet over his
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  Speaker 2: mouth and he's calling a play for 10 seconds, he's
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  Speaker 2: not saying sprint right 80 for 10 seconds.
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  Speaker 3: I got it.
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  Speaker 5: I got it.
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  Speaker 3: I got it.
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  Speaker 9: He could.
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  Speaker 6: Should.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: He's still going. He's still going. I mean, in your world,
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  Speaker 3: they basically call the play the do it play.
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  Speaker 5: Go.
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  Speaker 3: The do it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember when like every college football team, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they still do this anymore, but they literally
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  Speaker 2: just held signs up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was like green.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oregon did, did that all the time. Poster boards.
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  Speaker 5: Some of them were dummy signs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. They had the two other quarterbacks wearing like
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  Speaker 2: red jerseys, holding up signs too. You throw people off.
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  Speaker 3: Those four backup college quarterbacks. So wait, you want me
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  Speaker 3: to go to mime school? I'm a quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You got to learn how to mime.
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  Speaker 5: To train, they go in the corner with those signs,
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  Speaker 5: you know, come on.
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  Speaker 2: In, get a free burrito.
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  Speaker 5: Open houses, open houses.
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  Speaker 3: Some of those people are artists.
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  Speaker 4: I saw one off of Lincoln Avenue, your neck of
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  Speaker 4: the woods most last week. I was driving down there
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  Speaker 4: and they're opening up a new apartment complex or something.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm at the light.
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  Speaker 4: And this dude is spinning that thing like a basketball. Like,
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  Speaker 4: he's a Harlem Globetrotter. I'm like, this guy is an artiste.
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  Speaker 5: He must practice at home.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say something, though? That feels like a waste
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  Speaker 2: of marketing money. I've never gone into a place because... Watching?
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  Speaker 2: I've never entered an establishment because somebody spun a sign
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  Speaker 2: and said, you should come in here. Car washes are
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  Speaker 2: half off today. Never done it. I think it looks cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly a distraction as I'm sitting at a stoplight.
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  Speaker 5: What's better? The crazy wiggle arm guy like Gary, our Gary,
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  Speaker 5: or a spinner sign guy?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's got to be a live human.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: What would get you to go inside that shop?
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  Speaker 9: Free IPAs this way?
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  Speaker 2: I'd do it. Sidney Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 5: What a moron.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: She wouldn't go in if Sidney Sweeney told you to?
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  Speaker 3: That thing would be sold out in minutes.
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  Speaker 5: What's the point?
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  Speaker 2: What is this, a phone case? What am I getting?
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  Speaker 3: What am I buying here? What is this?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a taco?
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  Speaker 3: I don't care, whatever. Yeah. What do I get? Vasectomies? Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 5: Deal.
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  Speaker 3: What, I'm giving up my liver? You need my liver?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that would be effective marketing. Hey, Moj,
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  Speaker 2: you want to get my attention?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Moj, you are smiling, but he's speaking
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  Speaker 3: the truth. I mean, beverage carts. What's the most effective
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  Speaker 3: beverage cart on a golf course? It's not some guy
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  Speaker 3: spinning a sign. I got to pick a gelato cart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Moj, let me just ask you something. If, and
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  Speaker 2: we've played, in fact, we all know, we all know somebody.
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  Speaker 2: that we have all played with that has been little
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  Speaker 2: chatty with the cart girl.
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  Speaker 3: Little overly chatty.
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  Speaker 2: And that leads to like, for whatever reason, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what this transaction is. I don't know why these
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  Speaker 2: creepy dudes do this, but they will give like, it's
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  Speaker 2: a larger tip. Here's one thing I can promise you.
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  Speaker 2: If I was driving that cart, I don't get the
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  Speaker 2: same tip.
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  Speaker 5: But what if you were really.
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  Speaker 3: Good with the sign?
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  Speaker 2: I could make the meanest drink you've ever made in
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  Speaker 2: your life. It doesn't matter. I'm getting that standard 20%.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I get.
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  Speaker 5: Dude would be like this. Dude would be like, hey, Brett,
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  Speaker 5: that's the best water hazard I've ever had made for me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. There's no small talk.
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  Speaker 3: There may not even be an exchange of conversation.
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  Speaker 2: No. It's six Coors Lights, please.
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  Speaker 3: The initial reaction might be, what?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 5: Where'd you go to school?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares where I went to school. It's true.
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  Speaker 5: 303-504-0925.
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  Speaker 2: Chad Brown at 740. Stick around. He and I are good.
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  Speaker 7: Lord knows I've been in his position where, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you're talking about something and the story is three years ago. Now,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know Mike at that time, really, but I
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  Speaker 7: know Snides really well, John. And so I'm sure my
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  Speaker 7: initial call to John wasn't pleasant but I would say
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  Speaker 7: this in talking with him it allowed us to figure
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  Speaker 7: out how to handle our training camp relative to just
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  Speaker 7: videos and and I don't think anything was intentional by
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  Speaker 7: fans but at first you're kind of thinking man how
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  Speaker 7: how could and then we did some research online of
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  Speaker 7: what was available and that's kind of how we changed
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  Speaker 7: our policy so I've known John for 20 years, so
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  Speaker 7: it was an easy call to him. Yeah, that's really it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's Sean Payton yesterday commenting about the Mike McDonald,
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  Speaker 2: Graham Bensinger, whatever, where Mike McDonald said they used hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of videos that fans took at training camp two years
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  Speaker 2: ago and installed that in their game plan and That
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  Speaker 2: turned into Sean Payton threatening to turn them into the
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: league for Spygate stuff, whatever. We'll get to that in
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: a second. It is an Avs ticket Thursday, and they're
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: back in less than a week, and there's some awesome
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: nights coming to Ball Arena. Oktoberfest is October 3rd with
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Colorado Youth Hockey Night coming October 16th. You can get
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: your tickets at coloradoavalanche.com slash tickets, but your keyword to
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: win a pair of tickets to opening night for this
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: hour is WAW. As in Nick Waugh. So text Waugh
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: in your first and last name to 303-504-0925. And to
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: answer your question, yes, because I'm Ron Burgundy, I almost
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: said Roy. But it is Waugh to 303-504-0925.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Nobody would be offended if you said Roy. I mean,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: if it's spelled there in front of you, you wouldn't know.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I've just gotten the theme of this is all Avs players,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: so I just wanted to say it properly.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Can I say this?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: About?
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I guess... Did you play that because we're talking about
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald? Is that why you did it, Nelly?
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and this fight, we're taking it to the streets,
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: my man.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a Doobie Brothers song. That bass line in
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: that song is one of the best ever. Okay, that's
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: enough said.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: So he talked about, like, yeah, the McDonald thing. And again,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: this whole thing is silly. But I want to play
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: some audio because Sean Payton's actually pretty funny here. They
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: were asked, what were your initial thoughts when you found
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: out that Seattle was doing something? And I think at
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: this time, Sean Payton thought that they had, and I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: heard Crackman Lindahl talking about this, Mike McDonald coached at
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Michigan under Jim Harbaugh. He had somebody from Michigan on
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: his staff. This is when the Michigan counter stallion story
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: was really hot. And the assumption here is, Sean Payton,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: when he was told this initially thought that's what was happening.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Like they sent some Connor Stallion's guy to be in
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the stands during training camp and to watch everything. So
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: they said, what were your initial thoughts when you found
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: out Seattle was doing something?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: At first, at first you.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Thought it was not, you didn't, your first, I don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: know what the heck.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, I, and then all of a sudden you
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: start realizing like, this is all out there. So it
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: helped us to some degree. Look, when I say this,
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: we're pulling form except for one game, they're playing our division.
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: They're in the NFC. Like I said, the conversation last
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: night was good. I have a ton of respect for him,
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: and that's it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: So everybody.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the heck.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody has a degree of embarrassment here. Sean Payton
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: is a bit embarrassed because, as he goes on to say,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: he overreacted.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: He didn't have all the information. He overreacted.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Michael McDonald is embarrassed because he sounds like some sort
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: of bully when he said he ran into Sean Payton.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: At the combine and hovered over him. He sounds dumb.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: What is that supposed to prove?
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Graham Mensinger has to be a little bit embarrassed because
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: how's he going to get another interview with an NFL.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Coach after this?
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I'm dying to know how it got out in the
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: first place.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We can break this down in a second.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I want to get to that and get it over
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: with because it's a very simple Who's to blame? I
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: know exactly now. After getting all the intel, I know
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: exactly who's to blame here.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: One last thing real quick. This is Sean Payton. When
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: he called John Schneider.
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: I didn't, I didn't know. So obviously I called shooting
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: before I, before I started looking and I could only
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: do that with John because again, you know, he's someone
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: I'll have a beer with at the combine. I consider
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: him a good friend. And so it was eyeopening relative to,
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: All right, we got to be better in this area.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's funny in that first clip, though, he did mention,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: he's like, when we found out what we were doing,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: we started doing it. He said, that's what he said. Like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: when we found out how they found out about our stuff,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: we started scouring online to try.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: And find videos.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: He also, okay, now they've tightened up training camp.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You can't have your phone.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: It did help them moving forward that no other team
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: can now do this to the Broncos.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Now, to what Vic wants to get to, this is
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald was asked about this yesterday, too. He said this.
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: It's something that I didn't intend for public use. But,
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: you know, I thought it was the most appropriate thing
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: to reach out to Sean and really just apologize to
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: him for having that end up be public where it
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: wasn't meant to. And, you know, you're kind of something
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: that they have to deal with in real time that
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: wasn't really on their end. So that's really where you're like, crap.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: It's a lesson learned.
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: I got to be better in that moment for understanding, like, look,
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: I'm responsible for what I say, really, no matter the circumstance,
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: whether you're mic'd up, whether you're not, whether you have
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: a certain type of understanding. So, you know, I fell
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: short of that moment.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: So that was him saying, hey, I thought that was
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not for public consumption, but I got to be smarter
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: because I'm wearing a mic and all that different stuff,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to which Graham Bensinger, who conducted the interview, said, I'm
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: not going to read the whole thing, but The complete
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald interview, including the conversation now at issue, was
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: provided to Seahawks PR last Wednesday, five days before it
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: was published to YouTube. During that time, no concern was
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: raised about the exchange. So one of two things happened here.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Number one, Mike McDonald thought to himself, this is an
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: off-the-record conversation that won't get out, and Bensinger did it
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: anyway because he knew it would be something that got
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: picked up. Or Mike McDonald thought he looked cool during
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the interview and they approved it for release and then
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: they got backlash. And now they're trying to say, no,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that wasn't for public consumption.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: You know, after the release by Bensinger saying that he
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: gave it to Seattle PR and they had plenty of
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: time to vet the interview, something went wrong in that process.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Either the PR people person didn't look at it thoroughly.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It overlooked what was said.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, or. Or you're exactly right. Or we live
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: in this day and age where, hey, bad PR is
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: good PR. Who cares? Let's go. You know, social media,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: like when teams jump at other teams.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Bad PR is good PR for who? For Bensinger or
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: for McDonald?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: For everybody.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe that's how Seattle looked at it. I find
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: it hard to believe that nobody in the Seattle, you
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: know how these PR departments work. You've worked with enough
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: of them, right?
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: You know how it is. They watch.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: They look.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: If you've been to Broncos camp, they're, they're, they're watching closely.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: So I, I highly doubt that they miss this. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: believe that they just said, eh, screw it. It's not
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: that big a deal.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think they expected them to catch heat off this.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I think they thought people would kind of laugh at
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it and that they want to play like, well, whoa, man,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that that was part of it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: That's over.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: You know, it's over. It'll, It'll come up again when
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the Broncos play the Seahawks. But it's played out now.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It's done. Yeah, I don't... Well, I thought this.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Was stupid from the start. And then everybody started taking
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it very seriously.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is silly.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this Bensinger cat sort of screwed himself.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's going to be harder for him
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to get interviews.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But I feel bad for Bensinger if he's like, this
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: was approved. Why do people.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: We gave it to the Seahawks and they said fine.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not... I'm just saying, indirectly, people are going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: ice up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: They're going to ice up.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: All right, enough of that crap, though. I mean, look,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: it's done.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It's over. It's two years old. Yeah, I agree. I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: sort of sick of that topic.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: And it can only be done for the first game
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: of the season because, you know, teams can switch things
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: up easily if they get wind that somebody is looking
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: at their plays.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you this real quick? Because we're going
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to talk to Chad Brown in 10 minutes about the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Broncos and college football and everything. Did you guys see
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: an interview that Vlad Guerrero Jr. did a couple days ago?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You guys happen to catch it? It was in Spanish,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but there are translations from it. And it's an awful look.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Vlad Guerrero Jr. is hitting. 263
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: with nine home runs this year. He has played... In
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: 142 games, it's not like he's been hurt. But for
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: some reason, the power that he had, especially early in
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: his career, remember he was, wasn't he at Coors Field
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: during the Home Run Derby? Or was that another Home
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Run Derby? But he was just mashing the baseball. He
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: signed a 14-year, $ 500 million contract. And now he's hitting.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: 263 with nine homers. He's like turned into Omar Vizquel
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden. He said in the interview, they
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: didn't pay me to hit 40 home runs every year.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: They paid me for what I already did. And that's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: just not something you can say out loud.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Even though it's very true.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: It is true.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: In a lot of cases, it's very true.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, you are paying, betting that he's going to be
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the same guy that he has been, but you earn
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the contract by doing the things before you sign the contract.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So he's not wrong.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: The assumption is you're going to continue to be the
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: same player.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: That's why you pay Kale McCarr over $ 20 million to
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: make him the highest paid.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Just for the record.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Because he's going to be that same player or better.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: In 2021, Vlad Guerrero had 48 homers. In 2022, he
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: had 32. In 2024, he had 30. This year, he's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: got nine. And I gave you guys this stat. He has,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: this is incredible.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: He's only 27. He shouldn't be dropping off. He's only
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: 27 years old.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Remember what I told you. He's played in 142 games
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: this year. It's not like he's missed two months. Vlad
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Guerrero Jr., since August, I believe, 15th of last year,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: has one home run in his home ballpark.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Was he Dexter Fowler all of a sudden?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: He has hit a single home run in Toronto since
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: August of last year.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: That's insane. Not only that, but that contract is absolutely untradeable.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: So he's just chilling.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: He is Toronto for life.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Therein lies the example.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Therein lies the perfect example of, God, I wonder if
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: we give them the money if they're going to change
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: their work habits.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But you would think like his dad, if you're just
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: judging it off of like family lineage, his dad was
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: an amazing player until he was 40.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Work ethic isn't always hereditary.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: My friend.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. But this is a
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: guy who was productive every year. What I'm saying is
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I don't blame Toronto for thinking that this guy is
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: going to be a great player for us for a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: long time. You know? But when somebody says out loud,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: they don't pay me to hit 40 homers every year.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: They paid me for hitting 40 home runs three years ago.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Well, I understand what the Blue Jays would do. They're
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: trying to get ahead of the game with a guy
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: who's in his mid-20s, right? A guy who's hitting 48, 32, whatever,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: the guy can bomb the baseball. Okay, let's pay him.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Let's lock him up. Hey, man, his old man played
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: until he was 40.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Wah, wah, wah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: And again, Vic, I don't know about his work ethic.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I have no idea about what he's doing different or
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: if anything. Right now, I have absolutely no clue. But again,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I go back to what Jeff Buzdelic said years ago.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: What would you do if you won the lottery, Nelly?
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: What would you do?
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Spend dollar-dollar bills, y'all.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd quit your job, right? You would no longer
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: be on this program.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I would not quit this job.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: If you won $ 500 million in the lottery, you'd get
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: up every morning at 5 a.m. to drag your ass
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: in here.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Mosher's on to something, and this is why I contend,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: and I mean this, and I don't mean this in
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: a mean way.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I look at, like, NBA money. And it's such a life-changing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Generational amount of money, like generations to come, not just
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: for one person. I think inherently and subconsciously, that changes you,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: no matter what you do, no matter how much work
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: you put in.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Did you hear what Gabe Vincent said last week on
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a podcast?
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: What?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Gabe Vincent said, most players in the NBA hate basketball.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: They just do it because they make a lot of money.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He said most guys hate actually playing the sport.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You can tell the guys who love it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure you can.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: And most guys don't quit their job when they get
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: the big payday. But you know what?
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Some do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: They may be in uniform, but they've quit their job.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: We were just talking about this guy the other day.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You know who I know loved basketball? Russell Westbrook loved
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: playing basketball.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I could tell you the guys. Chris Paul. Yes. Loved it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: You can say what you want about him, but he
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: loved the game.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant had to be pulled kicking and screaming.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: From the game, right?
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Um, we have another big high school football game Friday night,
• 29:40
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• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I know Chad Brown's coming up, but this is the
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: God's honest truth. There's a line in the movie spinal
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: tap with the drummer, right? And he's sitting in the
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: bathtub and And he says, to be honest with you,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: if I had the sex and the drugs, I could
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: do without the rock and roll. Okay, so I've known, Vic,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I've known hockey players. For the money and the lifestyle,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: they play hockey. But they don't love playing hockey. They're
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: just really good at it, and they can make a
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: very good living at it. But they don't necessarily love
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: to play the game. And trying to decipher who's who
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: in that regard sometimes is very difficult. That's why GMs
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: have to be incredibly observant and choosy.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown joins us next.
• 30:37
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• 30:42
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• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Let's talk to the monster of God himself, Chad Brown.
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• 31:03
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• 31:09
  Speaker 2: joins us as he does every Thursday.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Hello, Chad.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Good morning.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Good morning, fellas. How are you guys doing?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Doing well. I want to go back to the Broncos
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: from last week and just get your initial thoughts on
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a game that looked like the same kind of game
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that we saw all of last year.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Obviously. The first half was very similar to what we
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: saw last year. This team got off to a slow start,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: 1-2 on the record, but also Always, maybe not always,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: but very frequently, there was a slow start to the
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: game offensively. So very similar to what they did last year.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: But I'm beginning to think that this team just has
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: such a deep-seated belief and confidence. And Sean Payton alluded
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: to some of the mental makeup of the players that
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: are on the roster. When they're building the roster, they
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: expect that kind of grittiness, that kind of mental toughness
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: to not panic when the game is early and things
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: don't look necessarily promising.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy, though, Chad?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Having watched the Shanahan era where the first 15 plays
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: were all charted, ready to go, that's when the offense
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: moved freely, it looked great, and then things.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe would bog down.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: This is the opposite. Do they not write these plays down?
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Why is this different?
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, having played against those Shanahan-era Broncos, Mike always had
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: a formation of the week and a wrinkle of the week.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: And that would be shown in those first 15 plays.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: But defensively, you were always scrambling because you knew, obviously,
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: it was going to be Terrell Davis in wide zone.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: It was going to be Shannon Sharp on the bootleg
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: opposite John Elway, those kinds of things. But the formation
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: and the window dressing made it difficult for those first
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: 15 plays to be able to understand what the formation
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: was and what they were actually trying to do. Versus,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: I think, this era of the Broncos, Sean Payton and
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: David Sweb are... pumping a little bit in that first 15,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: and then creating a list that they can turn back
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: to as the game goes along. Okay, you answered this
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: with that. Now we've got another wrinkle for that particular
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: defense here, so we've kind of played a little game
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: of chess there.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: So what you're saying is they're good adjusters at halftime
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: to what the defense is doing, and they're able to
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: start to pick it apart more as the game goes on.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: I would say that's exactly correct, and I remember playing
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: those Shanahan-era Broncos, and defensive coordinators like Ray Rhodes and
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: guys like that would say, if we can survive the
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: first quarter and a half, we'll have seen everything that
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: they're coming into this game with, and we'll be prepared
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: for it. I don't think playing this era of the Broncos,
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: a defensive coordinator could say that same type of thing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown with us. All conversations with Chad are brought
• 33:53
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• 33:56
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• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to the opposite side of things, though, what do you
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: do to stop this offense and Matthew Stafford?
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: They're not perfect, but they're pretty darn close. So the weapons,
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: the multiple tight end formations, the ability for Matthew Stafford
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: to just have some incredible accuracy, Devontae Adams to make
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: great plays despite a defensive back being there, it's going
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: to be very difficult for Vance Joseph to defend. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: for this Broncos offense, I know we're talking about the
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: defense here, but for this Broncos offense, another slow start.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: This may not be the week to do that. This
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: may be the week to actually go out and try
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: to find a way to jump ahead and get some
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: rhythm early.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, Chad, I saw on social media that your compatriots,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: your former Buff teammates, Alfred Williams and C.J. Charles-Johnson, were
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: up at practice the other day talking to the team.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Has the olive branch been offered? Is that what this is?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Because I haven't seen players from those teams reach out
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: to this team.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: I'm hoping that is the case. I know CJ has
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: developed a bit of a relationship with Coach Prime, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: while certainly the last couple years haven't been what we
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: want on the field, nor from a relation and connection
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: standpoint with the great teams for the Buffs from the past,
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: if this is an olive branch, I'll take it. I
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: think for the alumni from that era, speaking for myself
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: and for them a bit here, the.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Desire was never to make them be like us, be
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Coach Prime, be the bus. It's a different time. It's 2026.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: I get all that. It's not 1990. At the same time,
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: I think we've got something to add. And I've always
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: thought that if you want to be great, you should
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: look at images of greatness. And if you walk the
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: same halls that I walked and I walked, And you
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: know that there was previous greatness in these halls. It
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: gives you a sense of the tradition and the shows
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: that you stand upon. So hopefully this is that kind
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: of olive branch and something can be built from here.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: It's taken longer than I would have liked, but if
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: it's here, I'm not going to complain.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Chad, pardon me for being pessimistic, but I think that
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: this new era... I don't know how much of that
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: really resonates with today's player. And listen, I know Al
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: and I know CJ and I know you and I
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: know Canavis. I know that you guys bleed for that
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: program and you hold it near and dear to your heart.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: But again, in 25 years, are these kids going to
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: feel the same way wanting to go back and talk
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: to the current Buffaloes of that era? Or, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: will they cherish it like you guys do? I'm not
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: sure that's the case, man.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Obviously, the experience is going to be incredibly different. I
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: spent five years on campus. Some of these guys are
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: only spending one or two years on campus. But I
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: have to believe and I don't I don't want to
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: underestimate these kids ability to or desire to know something
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: about the place where they go to school. They still
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: put out. I know it's not always printed, but it's
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: maybe digital. They still put out the program every year.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: And in that program is a back section where who
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: holds all the records here on campus. So maybe you're
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: not going to set an all-time record while you're here
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: on campus, but you may set a single season record
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: or a single game record. So you're looking in the
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: program at the most tackles in a single game. Oh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: my goodness, Chad Brown had 20 tackles against the Texas
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Longhorns back in 1990. I may be able to do
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: that against Baylor. I don't know. There's got to be
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: some desire for those players to learn about the history
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: of the Buffaloes, and I don't think I'm overestimating that,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: and therefore be connected to the greatness of the past.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: That's my hope.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown with us as he is every Thursday. One
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: question I have about the Buffs is Juju Lewis is
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: still a very, very young player. He's still only 18
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: years old. How do you go about evaluating Juju Lewis
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: is a prized recruit that needs to play well for
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the Buffs to win, but he's still very young. How
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: do you evaluate that week-to-week with him?
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Well, he just had a birthday, I think, this week.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: He just turned 19. Still, to your point, an incredibly
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: young player. So I think it's a difficult evaluation. because
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: we look at the lens of the quarterback through the
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: prototypical NFL-style quarterback, a guy who's got some experience, a
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: guy who's got some reps, a guy who's got some
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: leadership behind him. Juju is all, those are all things
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: that he's beginning to get. He doesn't even have double-digit starts.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: He hasn't even played in double-digit games. Certainly, to look
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: at guys who have maybe been to two or three schools,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: it's hard for him to step up and demand leadership
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: when he's still trying to figure himself out. And I've
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: always thought it was odd sometimes when coaches would give
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: leadership mantles to somebody who hasn't necessarily played great. So
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: I understand what Coach Prime has been talking about these
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: last couple days with, hey, maybe he's just not there yet,
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: and that's okay. And I think that is okay. But
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: if you're on that team and your quarterback isn't that guy,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: then we have to identify and nurture the leadership of
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: other players because there's a vacuum, there's a void there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: And so who becomes that guy? Is it the center?
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Is it the running back? Is it somebody on defense,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: an inside linebacker or a safety? You have to have...
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: leadership on a college football team. You've got to have
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: strong voices. And it's not your quarterback.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: You know, Chad Brown, you just hit on something in
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the previous answer that got me thinking.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: About how today's, you know, the game has changed.
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: The portal has changed.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Guys are going from schools to schools. They're jumping around
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: one year.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: Two year.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: How do you establish school pride or tradition when you're
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: part of the program for a year or two? How
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: is that possible?
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And I don't blame the players. I mean, they just
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: show up. They're mercenaries like everybody else. But how are
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: you supposed to say, yeah, I played for this squad?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: It's gone. That era is gone.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: And it's sad because I think that's what makes college
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: football so special.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Well, you and I both went to some pretty prominent schools.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: And so it's hard to imagine, even if you're just
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: a one-year transfer into Notre Dame, that you don't recognize
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: the tradition that you are a part of, that you
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: don't recognize the incredible legacy that you're a part of.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: I know Colorado doesn't have quite the same as Notre Dame,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: but there is a tradition and there is a legacy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: And there are national award winners. In fact, one of
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: them spoke to you guys yesterday. Big Al won the butchers.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: So I get it when he was trying to make
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: a splash, talking about Coach Prime, having rappers and Terrell
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Owens and all these other guys come and speak to
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: the team. But to your point, how are you going
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: to grow that connection without having those guys in front
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: of you? These kids don't know what they don't know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: So until we tell them what they don't know and
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: point out the history and the legacy and the program
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: and the pride and the tradition, they're never going to know.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: So that's on the coaching staff. It's on new athletic director,
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Fernando Loma. It's, Up to folks like myself and those
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: guys who spoke yesterday, when given the opportunity to coach
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: these kids up about this school, why it's so amazing,
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: why I am incredibly proud to be a Buffalo. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: married a girl from campus. Both of my kids went
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: to CU and graduated. There's an incredible family tradition. There's
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: a state tradition. There's a national standing for this football program.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't apply to everybody, though, Chad, is
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are a bunch of kids that were
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in school there right now that couldn't care less about
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the tradition.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: And that's fine. I understand it. They're just in there
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: for a year to play football.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I still think, I would hope, and again, I'm 56
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: years old. I can only look at life through my eyes,
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: not through the eyes of a 20-year-old. I still would
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: hope that there would be some point along the way where, hey,
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: this is really cool. Hey, I got to experience something
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: incredibly special. And I did come here for more than
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: just the guy who's the head coach. I came here
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: because Boulder's beautiful. Colorado's a special state. And, yes, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: didn't know that there was a tradition quite as extensive
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: as there was, but having found out, I'm also incredibly
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: proud of that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Jordan Seton didn't go to see you because Boulder's beautiful.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Jordan Seton went to see you because he made some money.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: This is true, but that does not take away the
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: fact that Boulder is beautiful. And I bet if you
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: asked Jordan Seaton, hey, maybe you didn't come for this,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: but I'm sure in your time in Boulder you got
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: to realize it's an incredibly special and beautiful place.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Hey, man, I'm feeling– I think Brett and I are
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: feeling a little slighted, man. You trying to tell me
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: that Sac State and UNO doesn't have tradition? Yeah, what
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: you know about Nebraska, Chad? What you know about the
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Hornets and getting your stinger up, man?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: He knows nothing.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: I would– I would never deny your school pride and
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: the amazing places that you guys.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Have come from. There's no frigging pride at Sac State.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: They're lucky to have a football program, man.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: And I used to do their games 30-plus years ago.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, Marlon Briscoe was an Omaha Maverick, just so you know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, there we go. Very proud, yes, of that one player.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Good job.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Hey, Kim Scadaboo is a Sac State Hornet. Right on.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Chad, you got a game this week?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Who you got?
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I'm headed out to L.A.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: I'm actually driving to the airport. I've got Oregon at USC.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Just like everyone talked about, one of those great old-school
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Big Ten matchups. So Oregon's obviously got to try to
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: continue to rebound. And USC, are they as good as
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: we think they are? They've got an experienced quarterback. They're
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: obviously very talented in the skilled positions. They're obviously a
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: good football team. Lincoln Riley has yet to have double-digit
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: wins out of his first season in SoCal.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Just 20 seconds on this. How the hell did USC
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: almost lose to Rutgers last week?
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: Because Greg Shannon was a good football coach. Rutgers is
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: very tough-minded. I think they are a decent Big Ten
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: football team, and that's one of the questions about USC
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: is can they survive the gauntlet of physical Big Ten-style football?
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: That's still a question mark out there for them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Chad, you're the best. We'll talk next week.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Thanks, guys.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown joins us every single Thursday back after this.