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- 0:00All right, welcome to Reform Thinking.
- 0:01I'm your host, and as always, I'm here with our expert to walk
- 0:06through the landscape of theology and practice always
- 0:09through the lens of Scripture. It's good to be here.
- 0:11We hold to the Westminster Confession, and we really try to
- 0:13see the world from a, you know, a consistently reformed
- 0:16worldview. The goal is to understand how
- 0:19God works, His mechanisms of grace, and what He actually
- 0:22requires of us, His Church. And mechanisms of grace is a
- 0:26great way to put it. For today's deep dive, we spent
- 0:28a lot of time on the doctrines themselves, election,
- 0:31predestination, all of that. But today is much more about the
- 0:35the pavement. How do those doctrines play out
- 0:37on the ground? How does God actually gather his
- 0:40people? Exactly what is the machinery he
- 0:42uses? And the answer, of course, is
- 0:44the local church. But we're going a step further
- 0:46today. Not just the church's existence,
- 0:48but its multiplication. We've got a really fantastic set
- 0:52of sources. We're in the book Biblical
- 0:54Missions, Principles, Priorities, and Practices.
- 0:56A great resource. A great one, and we're zeroing
- 0:59in on one chapter by Conrad Mboue, The Joys of Planting a
- 1:04Church. He's often called the Spurgeon
- 1:06of Africa, a really powerful voice.
- 1:08Absolutely. And we're pairing that with a, a
- 1:10sort of case study insert by John Glass about planting
- 1:14churches in, of all places, Geneva.
- 1:17Yeah, that combination is what makes this so compelling.
- 1:19You've gotten a Bowie giving us the big biblical principles from
- 1:23a global self perspective, and then John Glass comes in with
- 1:26the boots on the ground reality of what that looks like in
- 1:29deeply secular post Christian Europe.
- 1:32And they're both driving at the exact same point from 2 very
- 1:34different angles. They really are.
- 1:36So before we jump into the text itself, let's start with a kind
- 1:39of diagnostic question. If you go to a biologist and you
- 1:43ask is this living thing healthy?
- 1:46What's the number one sign of biological health?
- 1:48It's reproduction, yeah, 100%. Right in almost any species.
- 1:51If an Organism just takes in nutrients, occupy space, but
- 1:55can't reproduce itself, it's a dead end.
- 1:58It's, to borrow the phrase, an evolutionary dead end.
- 2:00It's dying, and that's a. That's a tough analogy because
- 2:04when we look at the local church, we use all sorts of
- 2:06other metrics for health, don't we?
- 2:08Oh yeah, We look at seating capacity.
- 2:10We look at the annual budget, the quality of the music, the
- 2:13number of programs. But if we apply that simple
- 2:15biological principle, a church that doesn't reproduce, a church
- 2:20that doesn't plan other churches, is in a very real
- 2:23sense, sterile. It's dying.
- 2:26And that's the core tension that both of our sources are getting
- 2:28at today. The modern, maybe Western,
- 2:31tendency is to gather and to keep, to hoard.
- 2:35Hoard our best people, hoard our money.
- 2:37Right. Hoard the best musicians, the
- 2:38best teachers, all to create this one excellent singular
- 2:42experience for the people inside the building.
- 2:45But the biblical model, as Meiwei is going to argue pretty
- 2:48forcefully, is the opposite. It's scattering.
- 2:50It's planting. It's centrifugal.
- 2:52Pushing out, not just pulling in.
- 2:53Exactly. So let's look at the paradigm
- 2:55that Midway sets up. He doesn't start with theory.
- 2:58He takes us straight to the Bible, to Acts chapter 16 and
- 3:01the church at Philippi. A perfect place to start.
- 3:04This is Paul's second missionary tour, and just the way it begins
- 3:07is a master class in divine sovereignty.
- 3:09It. Really is because it starts with
- 3:11a closed door. Multiple closed doors.
- 3:14If you read the text, Paul has a strategy.
- 3:17He's not just wandering around. He wants to go into the Roman
- 3:20province of Asia, which is modern day Turkey.
- 3:22Makes perfect sense. It's a major hub.
- 3:25Populist. Wealthy.
- 3:27It's the logical next step, but the text just says the Holy
- 3:30Spirit prevented him. Which is a sentence that should
- 3:32just stop us in our tracks. The Apostle Paul, on a mission
- 3:36from God to preach the gospel, is told no by God.
- 3:40We so often think of closed doors from the devil, right?
- 3:43But here Scripture is crystal clear.
- 3:45They try to go into Bithynia, and again, the Spirit of Jesus
- 3:48did not allow them. So they're basically funneled
- 3:50geographically down to the coast to the city of Troas.
- 3:53They're at the edge of the map, basically they're standing there
- 3:55looking at the agency and there's nothing in front of them
- 3:58but water. Their plans are in ruins.
- 4:00They can't go north, they can't go east, and it's right there at
- 4:03that point of human frustration that the divine call comes.
- 4:06The famous Man of Macedonia vision.
- 4:09Correct. Paul has a vision in the night.
- 4:11He sees a man from Macedonia across the water in Europe,
- 4:14pleading with him. Come over to Macedonia and help
- 4:17us. And the conclusion is immediate.
- 4:19They conclude that God has called them to preach the gospel
- 4:22there. This is the moment, this is the
- 4:24pivot point where the Gospel officially crosses from Asia
- 4:28into Europe, and you just have to pause and think about how
- 4:31different world history would be if God had let Paul follow his
- 4:35original plan. But God sends him W.
- 4:38It's just it's a stunning example of God's direct
- 4:41management of this whole enterprise.
- 4:43It is so they get on a boat, they cross the water and they
- 4:46land in Philippi, the leading city of that district of
- 4:50Macedonia. Now, if I'm Paul, after a
- 4:51supernatural personal invitation like that, I'm probably
- 4:54expecting a bit of a welcome wagon.
- 4:56You're expecting something right?
- 4:57A crowd, maybe A synagogue that's just right for for
- 5:00revival. The man of Macedonia must be
- 5:02waiting for me. But that is not at all what they
- 5:04find. Not even close.
- 5:05First thing they notice is there's no synagogue, which is a
- 5:08key detail. That means there weren't even 10
- 5:11Jewish men in the entire city to form a quorum to start one.
- 5:14So it's a gentile city through and through.
- 5:16Very much so. So Paul does what he always
- 5:18does. He looks for a place of prayer.
- 5:20He hears there might be 1 down by the river.
- 5:22So on the Sabbath he goes down there, and who does he find?
- 5:25A group of women. Not the man of Macedonia.
- 5:28Not the man of Macedonia. And this is where Mumwi really
- 5:31wants us to focus. Look at the first fruits of
- 5:35Europe, the charter members of the first Church on the European
- 5:38continent, because this is not a strategic marketing plan, this
- 5:42is a display of raw unconditional election.
- 5:46So let's break them down. Who are the first three people
- 5:49God calls into this church? It's just an incredible group.
- 5:52The first one is a woman named Lydia.
- 5:53She's a seller of purple goods. So she's in luxury textiles,
- 5:57this high end stuff. Right.
- 5:59She's a businesswoman. She probably has some means,
- 6:01some status. She's described as a God fearer,
- 6:03which meant she was a Gentile who was attracted to the Jewish
- 6:06faith but hadn't fully converted, and the text says the
- 6:10Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what Paul was
- 6:13saying. So, convert #1A wealthy,
- 6:16religiously inclined female merchant.
- 6:19OK, who's next? Next you get the polar opposite.
- 6:22A slave girl. And not just a slave.
- 6:25No, she's possessed by a spirit of divination, a spirit of
- 6:29Python. She's being horribly exploited
- 6:32by her owners who are using her demonic affliction to make money
- 6:35telling fortunes. She's at the absolute bottom of
- 6:38the social ladder. Spiritually dark, socially
- 6:41invisible, Economically abused. And Paul, in a moment of, I
- 6:45think, compassion and frustration, he cast the demon
- 6:49out of. Her he does, which of course
- 6:50lands him in a world of trouble because he just destroyed her
- 6:54owner's source of income, and that's what gets him and Silas
- 6:57thrown into prison. Which providentially leads
- 7:00directly to the third convert. The Philippian jailer.
- 7:03Here's your blue collar civil servant.
- 7:05He's a Roman official, probably a former soldier who got this
- 7:07post as a kind of retirement plan.
- 7:10He's the guy who has just beaten Paul and Silas and locked them
- 7:13in the innermost prison with their feet in stocks.
- 7:16And after the earthquake, he's about to kill himself.
- 7:18So because he thinks the prisoners have escaped.
- 7:20And Paul stops him, and by the end of that night, this hardened
- 7:26Pagan jailer and his entire household have heard the gospel,
- 7:30believed, and been baptized. OK, so let's just pause and look
- 7:33at that congregation, the First Church of Philify.
- 7:36You have Lydia, the wealthy merchant.
- 7:38You have the formerly demon possessed slave girl and you
- 7:42have the rough and tumble Roman jailer.
- 7:44If you hired a church growth consultant today and gave them
- 7:47that demographic profile, they tell you you're doomed.
- 7:50They'd laugh you out of the room.
- 7:51What do these three people have in common?
- 7:53Socially, nothing. Economically, nothing.
- 7:56Culturally, they are worlds apart.
- 7:59But they have Christ in common, and that's the whole point.
- 8:02That's the glory of it. That's the glory of the church.
- 8:04It's not a social club for people with similar backgrounds.
- 8:06It's a new humanity being created out of the people God
- 8:09calls to himself. And Ambiwe's point is that this
- 8:12strange, unlikely little group became the launchpad for the
- 8:16evangelization of an entire continent.
- 8:18And and Bui also highlights what he calls the stick ability of
- 8:22this church. Paul's letter to them years
- 8:25later is just soaked in affection.
- 8:27It's called the Epistle of Joy. Why was he so uniquely fond of
- 8:30the Philippians? Because they got it, they
- 8:34understood what it meant to be partners in the gospel.
- 8:37He uses the Greek word Koinonia. It's not just fellowship, like
- 8:40having coffee after the service. It's a joint participation in a
- 8:44shared enterprise. They weren't passive consumers
- 8:47of his teaching. Not at all.
- 8:48They were active investors in his mission, and Buay points out
- 8:52that they were the ones who supported him financially.
- 8:54When Paul went on to Thessalonica, the Philippians
- 8:57sent aid. When he was in prison in Rome
- 8:59years later, they sent Epiphroditus with a gift.
- 9:02At one point Paul says no church entered into partnership with me
- 9:05and giving and receiving except you only.
- 9:08That's an astonishing detail. This tiny, persecuted church,
- 9:12born out of this chaotic series of events, immediately saw
- 9:15themselves as responsible for the spread of the Gospel beyond
- 9:18their own city walls. They weren't just members of a
- 9:21local club, they were shareholders in a global
- 9:23mission. And that right there is the
- 9:26transition point from Mabia. He holds up Philippi as the
- 9:29model and then turns to the church in his own context, the
- 9:32Global South, and asks why don't we look more like that?
- 9:36And he starts identifying these obstacles that prevent modern
- 9:39churches from acting like the Philippian church.
- 9:42I think these apply far beyond Africa.
- 9:44Oh, absolutely. They're universal.
- 9:45Let's walk through them. The first one he calls a lack of
- 9:48models. This is a really crucial point.
- 9:50He talks about what he calls the end of the chain mentality.
- 9:53The end of the chain. Yeah, in the New Testament you
- 9:56see this beautiful relay race. The church in Antioch sends Paul
- 10:01and Barnabas. Paul plants the church in
- 10:03Philippi. The church in Philippi supports
- 10:06Paul as he goes on to plant the church in Thessalonica.
- 10:09The baton is constantly being passed.
- 10:11There's a forward momentum. Always.
- 10:14But Ambui argues that today, especially in places that have
- 10:17historically been on the receiving end of missions,
- 10:20churches tend to see themselves as the destination.
- 10:24The baton stops here. We received the gospel.
- 10:27Now our job is just to maintain it for ourselves.
- 10:30And he gets very specific about how most new churches in his
- 10:34context are actually formed. And it's it's not a pretty
- 10:37picture. No, it's pretty tragic actually,
- 10:40he says. It's rarely through intentional,
- 10:42healthy planting. More often it's through splits.
- 10:45Church splits. Yeah, some faction in the church
- 10:48gets angry or frustrated with the leadership, or a charismatic
- 10:51leader gets ambitious and they just break off and start their
- 10:54own thing down the street. It's born out of conflict.
- 10:56Or the other model he mentions is the Bible.
- 10:59A college graduate who just wants a pulpit.
- 11:01Right. A young man finishes his
- 11:03training. He feels called to preach, but
- 11:05there's no established search for him, so he just hangs out a
- 11:07shingle and starts his own. It's about finding a platform
- 11:10for his gifts, not necessarily about a strategic plan to reach
- 11:15a community. And that's not multiplication,
- 11:18that's division in the first case, and it's individual
- 11:21ambition in the second. It's building a personal
- 11:23Kingdom, not the Kingdom of God. And Bee Wee's point is that a
- 11:27church born out of strife will almost always carry that DNA of
- 11:31strife into its future future. And because this is the common
- 11:34experience for so many, there just aren't many healthy mother
- 11:37churches who see it as their primary duty to conceive, birth
- 11:41and raise up a daughter church. If you've never seen it done
- 11:44well, it's hard to imagine doing it yourself.
- 11:46Precisely. OK, the second obstacle he lists
- 11:49flows from that. He calls it a theological
- 11:52disconnect in training, and this is a direct critique of those
- 11:55seminaries and Bible colleges and.
- 11:57He's very sharp here. He says, look, we do a pretty
- 11:59good job of training men in hermeneutics how to interpret
- 12:01the Bible, and we train them in homiletics, how to preach the
- 12:04Bible. And those are vital skills,
- 12:06absolutely. But he says we treat
- 12:08ecclesiology, specifically the mission of the church to
- 12:10multiply, as just another academic theory.
- 12:13It's a chapter in a textbook you have to read, not a practical
- 12:16urgent command you have to obey. It's not integrated into the
- 12:20core purpose of ministry. It's not.
- 12:22And he has this phrase that's just it's both funny and
- 12:26painful. He calls it the happy, clappy
- 12:29rebuke. Happy clappy rebuke.
- 12:30He says church has become content to just be a happy,
- 12:33clappy congregation. As long as the music is good and
- 12:36the sermon is encouraging and everyone feels good when they
- 12:38leave, they think they've succeeded.
- 12:41The holy huddle, The holy huddle, they've completely
- 12:44forgotten the creational mandate to be fruitful and multiply,
- 12:48which he argues applies just as much to the New Covenant church
- 12:51as it did to Adam and Eve. We're supposed to be filling the
- 12:54earth with worshippers of God. So if a seminary graduate can
- 12:57parse a Greek verb perfectly, but has no vision or strategy
- 13:01for how to reach the lost community 5 miles from his
- 13:04church, there's a serious gap in his training.
- 13:07It's the difference between training a shepherd to manage
- 13:09the sheep already in the pen versus training a shepherd to go
- 13:12out into the wilderness and find the lost ones.
- 13:15We need both, but we've almost exclusively focused on the
- 13:18former. OK, that leads to the third
- 13:20obstacle. And this is the one that always,
- 13:22you know, makes everyone shift in their seats.
- 13:25The money, the financial myth. This is the number one excuse,
- 13:29isn't it? In the global South, in a small
- 13:31town in America, in a struggling urban church, it's always we'd
- 13:36love to plant a church, but we just don't have the resources.
- 13:38We can barely keep our own lights on.
- 13:40And then Bui takes a sledgehammer to that argument.
- 13:42He really does. He starts with history.
- 13:44He says just look at the early church.
- 13:47They exploded across the Roman Empire with 0 state funding, 0
- 13:51tax breaks, no wealthy patrons underwriting the whole thing.
- 13:56They were a persecuted minority. And even today, he points out,
- 13:59Christianity is often growing fastest in the places with the
- 14:02least economic power. The Holy Spirit isn't waiting,
- 14:05looking for a nation's GDP to rise before he moves, but he
- 14:08goes deeper than that. He goes to theology, to what he
- 14:11calls the principle of reciprocity.
- 14:13This is from Matthew 6. The where your treasure is,
- 14:16there your heart will be also principal.
- 14:18Exactly. And Bowie argues that saying we
- 14:21have no money is almost never actually true.
- 14:23What we mean is it's not a priority.
- 14:26If a church's heart is truly in missions, they will find the
- 14:29money, even if it's a small amount.
- 14:32And he goes right back to the Philippians, his paradigm
- 14:35church, his paradigm church. Paul boasts about them in 2nd
- 14:37Corinthians 8. He says that in a severe test of
- 14:40affliction, their abundance of joy and their extreme poverty
- 14:44have overflowed in a wealth of generosity.
- 14:47Those two phrases together are just stunning.
- 14:49Extreme poverty and wealth of generosity.
- 14:52How is that even possible? It's because they didn't give
- 14:54out of their surplus, they gave out of their lack.
- 14:56They didn't wait until their own budget was comfortable before
- 14:58they invested in Paul's mission. And the theological point and
- 15:01Bill way makes from this is so important, he says.
- 15:04If a poor church only ever receives aid but never learns to
- 15:07give, it develops a welfare mentality.
- 15:11It sees itself as a charity case, not as a partner in the
- 15:13Gospel. It's a matter of dignity.
- 15:16He insists that even the poorest church must contribute something
- 15:19to the work of missions because it affirms that they are
- 15:22soldiers in the same army, not just civilians waiting for a
- 15:24supply drop. That's powerful.
- 15:27Now, from here, Mamboy makes a really interesting pivot.
- 15:31He talks about a specific opportunity that he sees for the
- 15:34church in the Global South. He frames the brain drain in a
- 15:38new way. Yeah, this was one of the most
- 15:40insightful parts of the chapter for me.
- 15:42We always hear about the brain drain as a negative thing,
- 15:44right? All the most educated doctors,
- 15:47engineers and IT professionals are leaving Africa or Asia to
- 15:50find better jobs in the West. It's seen as a loss for their
- 15:53home countries. It is, but Mbowei flips it on
- 15:56its head. He says.
- 15:57What if this isn't a brain drain?
- 15:59What if it's a tent making opportunity?
- 16:01Visionary deployment. What if God in his sovereignty
- 16:04is strategically moving his people from the global S into
- 16:08the post Christian W? The world sees economic
- 16:11migration. Mbowei sees God deploying A
- 16:14missionary force. But he says there's a problem
- 16:17with how it's currently being executed.
- 16:19A big problem, he says. What's happening is that these
- 16:21believers land in London or New York or Sydney and they
- 16:25immediately form an ethnic church.
- 16:28So you get a Zambian church in London that is, you know, 99%
- 16:32Zambian. A Nigerian church in Houston
- 16:34that's all Nigerian. Right.
- 16:36They're transplanting their home culture and creating a little
- 16:38bubble. They're not engaging with or
- 16:41evangelizing the local British or American population that's
- 16:44all around them. They're insulated.
- 16:47So the correction he's calling for is for these professionals
- 16:49to see themselves as missionaries first.
- 16:52Self funded missionaries, tent makers just like the Apostle
- 16:56Paul. Your engineering firm paid for
- 16:58your visa, your hospital paid for your plane ticket.
- 17:01God has provided for you to be a witness in a spiritually dark
- 17:04place. You should be planting churches
- 17:07that are for the community God has placed you in, not just for
- 17:10people from your home country. It's this incredible vision of a
- 17:13kind of reverse missions movement.
- 17:15The West, which once sent missionaries out, is now the
- 17:18mission field, and God is sending the missionaries from
- 17:21the very places they once went to.
- 17:23It's a beautiful picture of God's global plan, but it only
- 17:27works if those being sent understand the mission they're
- 17:29on. So that covers the obstacles and
- 17:32the opportunities. Let's shift now to the positive
- 17:34side, the motivations. Why should a local church go
- 17:38through the pain and cost of planting?
- 17:41What's in it for them? Mbuy gives 3 biblical
- 17:44motivations. The first is preserving the
- 17:46gospel. This one feels a little
- 17:48counterintuitive at first. You'd think if we send away our
- 17:51best teacher and our most solid families to plant the church,
- 17:54our own doctrinal integrity will get weaker.
- 17:56We'll be spread too thin, right? But Mbuy argues the exact
- 18:00opposite is true. He says the act of planting
- 18:02forces a church to get crystal clear about what the gospel
- 18:05actually is. You cannot export what you
- 18:08haven't defined. If you had to package your core
- 18:10DNA to create a new living body, you have to be absolutely sure
- 18:14what that DNA consists. Of that's a great way to put it.
- 18:17He goes back to Philippians. Paul is constantly telling them
- 18:20to stand firm and contend for the faith.
- 18:22He warns them about the Judaizers.
- 18:23The people trying to add works of the law to faith in Christ.
- 18:26Exactly. And Paul uses that incredibly
- 18:29strong language. He lists his own religious
- 18:31resume, his pedigree, his law keeping, and he says he counts
- 18:34it all as Scubala, as dung, as rubbish, compared to the
- 18:39surpassing worth of knowing Christ and gaining his
- 18:42righteousness. A.
- 18:42Righteousness that comes through faith, not from the law.
- 18:46That's the core of it, and Maywe's point is that a church
- 18:50that is actively planting has to keep that pure gospel of grace
- 18:54front and center. It's the only message that has
- 18:56the power to save people and build a new church.
- 18:59A stagnant church, on the other hand, can drift for years into
- 19:03moralism or legalism or liberalism, because its
- 19:06foundations are never being tested by the demands of
- 19:08mission. That makes a lot of sense.
- 19:10The second motivation he gives a spiritual maturity.
- 19:13This links back to that biological health idea we
- 19:15started with. It does.
- 19:16Health leads to growth. But he also argues that the act
- 19:19of growing forces you to be healthy.
- 19:21He references that warning in Hebrews 5 about believers who
- 19:24have been Christians for a long time but are still infants.
- 19:26They still need milk. They can't handle solid food.
- 19:29They haven't matured. They haven't, and Moe Weiwei
- 19:31makes this incredibly sharp pastoral observation.
- 19:34He says a church that is consumed with internal
- 19:37squabbles, fighting over the budget or the style of music or
- 19:39the color of the carpet, is almost always a church that has
- 19:42lost its outward focus. When you're in the trenches of a
- 19:45spiritual war, you don't have time to argue about the decor
- 19:49and the barracks. That's it exactly.
- 19:50The mission itself unifies and matures the church.
- 19:53When the leadership is constantly wrestling with how do
- 19:56we reach that unchurched neighborhood across town, the
- 19:59petty inward looking conflicts tend to fade into the background
- 20:03it. Forces you to have the mind of
- 20:04Christ, which Paul talks about in Philippians 2.
- 20:06Yes. Jesus humbled himself, He
- 20:09emptied himself of his glory for the sake of redemption.
- 20:12Church planting in a small way is the most Christ like thing a
- 20:15congregation can do. It has to empty itself of its
- 20:18comfort, of its best people, for the sake of rebemption in a new
- 20:21place. OK, And his third motivation is
- 20:24joyful prayer. This one really hit me.
- 20:27He starts with a critique of the typical prayer meeting.
- 20:29He called them organ recitals. It's such a great phrase.
- 20:32It's funny, but it's also a stinging rebuke.
- 20:35What does he mean by that? He means we get together and we
- 20:37just recite a list of failing organs.
- 20:40We pray for Aunt Susie's liver and Uncle Bob's kidney and
- 20:44someone's spleen and safe travels for the family going on
- 20:47vacation. Now obviously God cares about
- 20:50our health. The Bible tells us to pray for
- 20:53the sick. Of course, but if that is the
- 20:56sum total of our corporate prayer life, we have a very
- 20:59small vision of God's Kingdom. The very first petitions of the
- 21:02Lord's Prayer are hallowed. Be your name, your Kingdom come,
- 21:07Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
- 21:09Our prayers should be Kingdom focus first.
- 21:11And Ambia's point is that church planting radically changes a
- 21:15church's prayer life. Suddenly you're not just praying
- 21:17in the abstract. You have a daughter church.
- 21:19You have specific pastor, Pastor John, in a specific town,
- 21:22Geneva, facing specific challenges.
- 21:25The prayers become substantive. They become strategic.
- 21:27They become urgent. Lord, we know they're trying to
- 21:29do outreach in that secular neighborhood this Saturday.
- 21:32Please breakthrough the spiritual darkness there.
- 21:35Give them divine appointments. Exactly.
- 21:38And then when the report comes back from the front lines that
- 21:41someone got saved or that a new family started attending, the
- 21:45joy isn't just containing in that little church plant.
- 21:48The mother church shares in it. The whole enterprise is fueled
- 21:52by prayer and results in shared joy.
- 21:55It changes the whole emotional and spiritual temperature of the
- 21:57church. It forces you to look out, not
- 22:00just in. And that is a perfect bridge to
- 22:02our second source for today, because we've been talking about
- 22:05Ambui's biblical principles. Now with John Glass, we get to
- 22:09see what this actually looks like in practice in one of the
- 22:12hardest soils imaginable. Yeah.
- 22:14Let's go to the case study. Geneva, Switzerland.
- 22:17I mean, the name itself is just heavy with history.
- 22:20This is the city of the Reformation, John Calvin City.
- 22:23This is where he preached, where he wrote the institutes of the
- 22:25Christian religion, where he trained pastors who were sent
- 22:28all over Europe. It was the epicenter of the
- 22:30Protestant world for a time. And today, today it's a
- 22:33spiritual graveyard. Glass describes it as this
- 22:36international, wealthy, secular city.
- 22:39It's home to the United Nations and countless other
- 22:41organizations. But he says the percentage of
- 22:44actual evangelical believers is, and I'm quoting, negligible.
- 22:48It's post Christian in the most profound way.
- 22:52It has a Christian memory, but no Christian.
- 22:54Faith and Glass's personal story is just It's a testament to that
- 22:58reality. He was born to American parents
- 23:00in Paris, but he grew up in Geneva as an unbeliever.
- 23:04He says he lived in Calvin City for 15 years and not once did
- 23:08anyone ever share the gospel with him.
- 23:10That's just staggering. It is.
- 23:12The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
- 23:14He had to go backpacking in New Delhi, India, to get saved.
- 23:18A Dutch missionary showed the gospel with him there.
- 23:20You have to leave the city of the Reformation and go to a
- 23:23Hindu nation to hear about Jesus Christ.
- 23:25God's Providence has a sense of humor.
- 23:27It certainly does. So he gets saved, he gets
- 23:30trained for ministry, and he feels this call to go back to
- 23:33the city that was his home. He goes back to Geneva to a
- 23:36small church called Action Biblique, or La Servat.
- 23:39And this is where the strategy, the practical nuts and bolts get
- 23:42really fascinating. La Servat was an established
- 23:45church for 40 years. They had paid the salary for
- 23:49their pastor. Right.
- 23:50But Glass comes in and he has his own missionary support from
- 23:54churches in the States, so he doesn't need a salary from the
- 23:57church. Now the church has a choice.
- 24:00They could just see that as a budget surplus.
- 24:03Pave the parking lot, get new chairs, upgrade the sound
- 24:06system. All the things we normally do,
- 24:08but they did something radically different on Glass's advice.
- 24:12They took the money that would have been his salary, and every
- 24:15single month they put it into a separate bank account, a fund
- 24:19designated exclusively for planting future churches.
- 24:22They built a war chest for. Years.
- 24:24They just let it accumulate. It's this incredible picture of
- 24:27delayed gratification for the sake of the Kingdom.
- 24:29So they're building this fund and eventually the time comes to
- 24:32launch their first daughter church.
- 24:34Yes, they targeted a town called Animas, which is right across
- 24:37the border in France. A lot of people commute from
- 24:40there into Geneva. It started very small, just a
- 24:43children's Bible club. Humble beginnings.
- 24:46Very. Then, as it grew, they sent one
- 24:49of their own young elders from LA Cervet to be the pastor.
- 24:53And here's the key They used that war chest they had built up
- 24:57to support him, but it wasn't a permanent subsidy.
- 25:00They had a time limit. Exactly.
- 25:03They phased out the financial support over five years.
- 25:06The goal was for the new church to become self-sustaining.
- 25:09It was a runway, not a permanent life support system.
- 25:12And did it work? It worked.
- 25:13That Church in Animas is now a healthy self supporting church.
- 25:17And then they did it again. They did it again in another
- 25:19French town called Anasi. This one came about a little
- 25:23differently. It was more of a providential
- 25:25connection. A missionary colleague of
- 25:27Glasses was finishing his ministry in another country, and
- 25:30Glass called him just as he was wondering what to do next.
- 25:33The timing was perfect. So Las Vet supported them to
- 25:37start the work in Annecy. They did, and today that church
- 25:40in Annecy is not only self supporting, but it fully
- 25:42supports its own native French pastor.
- 25:45So you have the mother church, LA servant, and it gives birth
- 25:48to these daughter churches. But the story doesn't end there,
- 25:51does it? No, this is where the
- 25:53exponential math starts to kick in.
- 25:55Those daughter churches have now planted granddaughter churches.
- 25:58The multiplication continues. And the numbers are just
- 26:01incredible. He says if you add up the Sunday
- 26:03attendance of the Mother Church, plus all her daughters and
- 26:06granddaughters, the total number of people gathering for worship
- 26:10is triple the size of the single largest evangelical church in
- 26:13the entire Canton of Geneva. Wow, so if Lasser Vet had just
- 26:18focused on its own growth, just tried to become a mega church,
- 26:21it might have added fifty, maybe 100 people in that same time?
- 26:25At best. But by sending, by giving away
- 26:27its people and its resources, its Kingdom impact was
- 26:30multiplied many times over. But Glass is a realist.
- 26:33He doesn't just paint this rosy, triumphant picture.
- 26:37He ends his piece with four very hard lessons learned from the
- 26:40process. The first one is simple.
- 26:42The cost? He's brutally honest here.
- 26:45Planting a church hurts the mother Church.
- 26:47It just does, because who are the people who volunteer to go?
- 26:50These are your best people, your most committed, most
- 26:53evangelistic, most generous members, your future elders.
- 26:56You're sending away your A-Team. You lose leaders, you lose
- 27:00givers, he says. The pastor of the Mother Church
- 27:03has to enter what he calls perpetual reboot.
- 27:06Mode Perpetual reboot mode. You identify a leader, you train
- 27:10them up, you invest in them, and then you send them away and you
- 27:13start all over again. For a pastor who wants to build
- 27:15something big and stable and impressive, it's exhausting and
- 27:19it feels like you're constantly taking 2 steps forward and one
- 27:22step back. It requires A fundamental shift
- 27:25in your mindset. You have to value the growth of
- 27:28the Kingdom of God in the city more than the growth of your own
- 27:31local church. It's a death to ego.
- 27:33You're building for a Kingdom, not for your own fiefdom.
- 27:36But the second lesson balance is that out lesson 2 is it works.
- 27:40Right. Despite the cost, it's the most
- 27:42effective strategy. We already saw the numbers, but
- 27:45it works because it puts gospel outposts into new neighborhoods.
- 27:48It lowers the barrier to entry. A non believer is far more
- 27:52likely to check out a small new church in their own community
- 27:55than they are to drive 20 minutes into the city to a big
- 27:58intimidating building. It makes the gospel local and
- 28:00accessible. The third lesson is it
- 28:03motivates. And this goes right back to MD
- 28:06ways. Happy clappy problem.
- 28:08It does. When you're a member of a church
- 28:10with 500 people, it's very easy to be a passive consumer.
- 28:14You can slip in the back, listen to the sermon, and slip out
- 28:17without ever talking to anyone or serving in any capacity.
- 28:20You can hide. You can hide, but when you are
- 28:23one of 40 people in a brand new church plant meeting in a school
- 28:26gym, there's nowhere to hide. If you don't help set up the
- 28:30chairs, there are no chairs. If you don't greet the visitors,
- 28:34no one greets them. It forces people off the
- 28:36sidelines and into the game. Passive consumers become active
- 28:40participants out of sheer necessity.
- 28:42It activates the priesthood of all believers in a way that a
- 28:45large established church often struggles to do.
- 28:49Your theology suddenly has to become practical because you're
- 28:51the one on the frontline, and the fourth lesson he lists is
- 28:54the darkest one. It distresses.
- 28:57Yeah, he's very open about the spiritual warfare involved.
- 28:59He even mentions the phenomenon of splants splits that try to
- 29:03disguise themselves as plans. He acknowledges that Satan hates
- 29:06church planting more than almost anything else.
- 29:08If you're content to be a quiet, inwardly focused social club,
- 29:12the enemy will probably leave you alone.
- 29:14Why bother? You're no threat, but the moment
- 29:17you start talking about invading his territory, about planting a
- 29:20new embassy for King Jesus in a dark place, you can expect a
- 29:24counter attack. And what does that look like?
- 29:26Internal conflict, discouragement, financial crises
- 29:30that come out of nowhere, misunderstandings between the
- 29:33mother church and the daughter church.
- 29:35Glass says. This is Satan's primary tactic
- 29:37to put the brakes on evangelism through internal strife.
- 29:41But even with that warning, he ends on a note of just profound
- 29:45gratitude. Churches have been planted.
- 29:47Thank you, Lord. It's a war.
- 29:49It's costly and distressing, but it's a war that we are on the
- 29:52winning side of. The gates of hell will not
- 29:54prevail against Christ's church planting church.
- 29:57So let's try to bring this all together.
- 29:59We have membiwe from scripture telling us why we should plant
- 30:03and how to think about it. And then we have glass from the
- 30:05streets of Geneva showing us what it actually looks like when
- 30:08you do it in hard soil. And the synthesis is just so
- 30:11clear, isn't it? Whether you are in 1st century
- 30:13Philippi with Paul, in 21st century Zambia with Conrad and
- 30:17Buay, or in the secular wasteland of modern Geneva with
- 30:20John Glass, the fundamental method is the same.
- 30:23It's not about new techniques or better marketing strategies.
- 30:26No, it's about the faithful proclamation of the pure gospel,
- 30:31the supernatural gathering of God's elect into a local body,
- 30:34and then the intentional sacrificial scattering of that
- 30:36body's resources, its people, and its finances to do it all
- 30:41over again somewhere else. It completely redefines our
- 30:44ideas of success. Success is not a full room.
- 30:47In a way, success is an empty seat because the family who used
- 30:50to sit there has been sent out to start something new.
- 30:53That's the beautiful paradox of the Kingdom, isn't it?
- 30:56You gain your life by losing it. You become rich by giving away.
- 30:59You grow by scattering. I think that leaves us with a
- 31:02final and maybe a pretty provocative thought for you, the
- 31:05listener, to chew on. We've talked all this time about
- 31:08biological health being reproduction, but the necessity
- 31:11of planting. So here's the question for you
- 31:13to take home If your local church closed its doors
- 31:16tomorrow, if the building was padlocked and sold and turned
- 31:20into condos, would anyone in the surrounding community outside of
- 31:24your own members even notice? Would they care?
- 31:28That is a haunting question, because if the only people who
- 31:32would mourn the loss of a church are the people who were in it,
- 31:36then that church wasn't really a lighthouse to its community.
- 31:38It was a private clubhouse. But if we're doing what bubbly
- 31:41and glass are calling us to do, if we're planting, if we're
- 31:44serving, if we're actively invading the darkness around us
- 31:47with the light of the gospel, our absence should leave a
- 31:50gaping hole. We're called to leave a lineage,
- 31:53not just a building. The mandate is not mere
- 31:55survival, it's fruitfulness. Amen to that.
- 31:58A powerful word to end on. This has been a heavy one, but I
- 32:01think a really necessary deep dive.
- 32:03We hope it sparks some good and maybe hard conversations in your
- 32:06own churches. Until next time, this has been
- 32:09Reformed thinking.