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[Florida] Mother Knows Best · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to Bless This Mess and the True
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  Speaker 1: Crime Podcast, I'm Kara here with Stu, say hey Stu.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 3: Alright, we are back on the porch, so grab your
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  Speaker 3: mason jars, pull up your rocking chair and settle on
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  Speaker 3: in Stu.
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  Speaker 2: I will.
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  Speaker 3: Because today we are heading down to South Florida to
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  Speaker 3: unpack a wild stranger than fiction case about a crazy mother.
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  Speaker 2: Florida.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely Florida. So this, what happened was me and Stu
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  Speaker 3: watched Mother Knows Best. We were quite, this was like
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  Speaker 3: the 90s, you know, made for TV film. And we
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  Speaker 3: were quite shocked at A lot of it. And then
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  Speaker 3: we also were laughing about some of the acting. So
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  Speaker 3: we were like, hey, this happens. We looked up the
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  Speaker 3: case and inspired it. And it happened in good old Florida.
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  Speaker 3: So we're like, hey, let's cover that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So before we go ahead and get into our case
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  Speaker 3: All right, so let's grab that spiked mason jar stew.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: And get into this week's episode. But before, all right,
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  Speaker 3: we've had to take a step back and we've recorded.
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  Speaker 3: It got a little heated and you're going to.
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  Speaker 2: Whole hour of recording is gone.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to hear why here in a minute. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm prepared to be insufferable because of the Lindsay Clancy
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  Speaker 3: trial date. I'm not going to go into it any
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  Speaker 3: further with Stu because we already just had a very
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  Speaker 3: heated argument that was recorded and I had to delete
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  Speaker 3: it because nobody wants to hear me and Stu.
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  Speaker 2: You were heated. I was not heated.
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  Speaker 3: No, because... Oh my God, Stuart. Don't fucking start with me.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to set me off again, okay? All right,
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  Speaker 3: so we're not going to get into it. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: going to say... I was right about everything. Stuart did
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  Speaker 3: not believe anything. Stu had his own little wheels of
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  Speaker 3: turn over there. Everyone thought that anybody who thought that
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  Speaker 3: Patrick could have done it or that the evidence wasn't
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  Speaker 3: adding up, there was a point where everybody started acting
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  Speaker 3: like everybody who thought that was just like crazy. And
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  Speaker 3: come to find out, we are crazy, but we were right, okay?
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  Speaker 3: We were right. All right, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm also just going to say real quick, the whole
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  Speaker 3: point is, is there a chance that she did this? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Is there, in my opinion, a bigger chance that he
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  Speaker 3: did this?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But my whole point is, they are never going to
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  Speaker 3: find her guilty because the police and the state did
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  Speaker 3: such a piss poor job investigating this. They have no
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  Speaker 3: answers to anything in this trial. So they have, they're
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  Speaker 3: the ones that have done a disservice to those children
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  Speaker 3: because they're never going to get any closure or any
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  Speaker 3: justice for them because they didn't investigate properly, whether it
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  Speaker 3: was Lindsay or Patrick who did it. Stu. Can we
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  Speaker 3: all agree on that? They didn't do a good job investigating.
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  Speaker 2: Unless they can track it to him with cell phone
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  Speaker 2: or some kind of forensic evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they need to start by looking when he met
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  Speaker 3: his new pregnant wife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're never going to solve it, no.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they done screwed it up. I can't believe all
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  Speaker 3: the stuff they didn't do to investigate this. Anyways. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we had quite the heated argument, but we're bringing it
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  Speaker 3: back down.
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  Speaker 2: That's because you're arguing one thing and I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: the other thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going, just stop. Just stop now. Just stop.
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  Speaker 2: You just stop.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Jesus, take the wheel and steer it
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  Speaker 3: into oncoming traffic.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So when people, back to our case at the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of it. When people think about South Florida in the
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  Speaker 3: late 1980s, their minds usually go straight to neon lights,
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  Speaker 3: speed bogues, like high stakes. narcotic rings, you know, like drugs, Miami, partying,
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  Speaker 3: things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Tubs and Crockett.
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  Speaker 3: But about 30, I don't know who those people are,
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  Speaker 3: but about 30 miles north, tucked away in Broward and
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  Speaker 3: Palm Beach counties, there was an entirely different world, sprawling
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  Speaker 3: retirement communities, manicured golf courses, and gated condominium complexes where
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  Speaker 3: retirees from up north, little snowbirds, came to enjoy their
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  Speaker 3: golden years in comfort.
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  Speaker 2: One of those retirees was a 67-year-old woman named Lee Goldsmith.
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  Speaker 2: Lee and her husband, Milton, everybody in their inner circle, though,
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  Speaker 2: called him Milty, Uncle Milty, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, cute.
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  Speaker 2: They lived in a very comfortable, well-appointed condominium community in
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  Speaker 2: Lauder Hill, right on the western edge of Fort Lauderdale.
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  Speaker 2: To outward appearances, Lee Goldsmith was the quintessential South Florida grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: She dressed conservatively. She wore large spectacles. She stayed active
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  Speaker 2: in local civic and community groups. and she carried an
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  Speaker 2: air of distinction about her, like her farts did not smell.
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  Speaker 3: Ew. Okay, I don't need you to make those motions
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  Speaker 3: over there, Stuart. All right, so Miltie, who sounds like
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  Speaker 3: a dumbass, but Miltie was mild-mannered, quiet, and largely deferred
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  Speaker 3: to his wife on everything. Of course, with a nickname
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  Speaker 3: like Miltie, of course he deferred to her. But Lee
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  Speaker 3: was an absolute force of nature who commanded every single
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  Speaker 3: room she walked into. She cared... She cared immensely about status, family, pedigree,
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  Speaker 3: social standing, and keeping up appearances. And above all else,
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  Speaker 3: Leigh had one singular obsession that eclipsed every other part
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  Speaker 3: of her life. Her adopted daughter, Arlene.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Arlene.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good thing to an extent. But
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  Speaker 3: we're going to see that Leigh went too far.
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  Speaker 2: A little overboard.
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  Speaker 3: A little too far, Leigh, too far.
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  Speaker 2: Lee and Melty had adopted Arlene when she was an infant,
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  Speaker 2: but as Arlene would later describe it, growing up under
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  Speaker 2: Lee's roof was suffocating. Lee was a mother who viewed
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  Speaker 2: her daughter not as an independent human being with her
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  Speaker 2: own thoughts and desires, but as personal property.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, never mind, Lee. We don't.
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  Speaker 2: A direct reflection of Lee's own social status.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we don't mean Lee was doing that properly. We
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  Speaker 3: mean it was a good thing that she embraced her
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  Speaker 3: adoptive daughter because some people don't.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: But she did, but in a possessive way.
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  Speaker 2: Now, every friendship that Arlene had formed and every piece
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  Speaker 2: of clothing she wore and every milestone in her life
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  Speaker 2: was scrutinized, judged, and directed under Lee's microscope.
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  Speaker 3: Now, by the time the mid-1980s rolled around, Arlene was
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  Speaker 3: a grown woman in her early 30s. She had her
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  Speaker 3: own apartment, held down a steady job, and was enjoying
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  Speaker 3: her independence. But in Lee's eyes, Arlene's life was an
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  Speaker 3: utter failure because she wasn't married yet, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't? Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Lee was deeply embarrassed among her social circle that her
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  Speaker 3: 30-something daughter had not settled down with a wealthy, prestigious bachelor.
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  Speaker 3: She envisioned a doctor, an attorney, an executive, somebody whose
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  Speaker 3: title and pedigree she could brag about to her friends
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  Speaker 3: at all her little social clubs she was at.
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  Speaker 2: Playing bridge she's.
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  Speaker 3: Probably upset because she's like man back then they were
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  Speaker 3: probably like is your daughter a lesbian you know that
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  Speaker 3: you know what's going around and lee's probably like i
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  Speaker 3: can't have those.
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  Speaker 2: Rumors starting can't have them all bitty saying such things
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  Speaker 2: while most mothers at this time might gently nudge their
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  Speaker 2: daughter or maybe try to set her up on a
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  Speaker 2: blind date with an accountant from temple or church yes
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  Speaker 2: they were they were jewish oh they were jewish I
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  Speaker 2: didn't catch that with the Goldstein.
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  Speaker 3: Which a lot of the Jews, I mean, just based
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  Speaker 3: on what I've seen on The Nanny, most Jewish mothers,
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  Speaker 3: and again, all my information is coming from the show
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  Speaker 3: The Nanny.
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  Speaker 2: What about them?
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  Speaker 3: Want their child to be.
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  Speaker 2: Big Bang Theory, too. Howard.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Howard, yes, that want them to be. Married, although
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  Speaker 3: after the arguments I've had with Stu this last day
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  Speaker 3: or two and before about Lindsay Clancy, I would tell
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  Speaker 3: my daughter, avoid marriage at all costs.
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You're the one that's all
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  Speaker 2: up about this. Stuart. I don't much care about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? Oh, my God. That's because, no,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden now you don't care about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't care about it to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: You should care, though.
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  Speaker 2: I never brought it up in conversation with you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to lose it. I only talk to you
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  Speaker 3: about it whenever you talk to me about it. I
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  Speaker 3: can get riled up, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I know. Everybody heard it.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody heard it. I cut all of that out.
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  Speaker 2: I can hear by the tone in your voice when
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  Speaker 2: you start talking to me about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the tone of my voice. You motherfucker.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. Anyway. As we were speaking of
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  Speaker 2: Lee and Arlene, Lee went one step further and beyond
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  Speaker 2: dropping gentle hints about needing to get a fella, get engaged,
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  Speaker 2: get married. In late 1984, Lee decided she was going
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  Speaker 2: to take total control of Arlene's romantic destiny. She sat
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  Speaker 2: down at her kitchen table, opened up a local South
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  Speaker 2: Florida newspaper, and paid cold hard cash to place a
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  Speaker 2: personal ad in the classifieds Without Arlene ever knowing a
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  Speaker 2: thing about it.
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  Speaker 3: I would die. Oh, my God. That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: If your mother was trying to get you out the door.
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  Speaker 3: No, if, Stuart.
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  Speaker 2: If your mother wrote a thing for you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she's trying to get her out the door.
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  Speaker 3: The girl was already out the door.
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  Speaker 2: Well, married up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think. I'm pretty sure Arlene wasn't over
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  Speaker 3: there bothering Lee every day. It sounded like she wanted
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  Speaker 3: away from her. All right, so the ad was short, simple,
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  Speaker 3: and direct. No, I'd be pissed off that all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden I'm on the market in the paper like,
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  Speaker 3: here's some cattle. Would you like to come purchase?
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  Speaker 2: Come check her out.
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  Speaker 3: The ad was short, simple, and direct. Nice Jewish girl
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  Speaker 3: wants to meet nice Jewish boy. We gave her own
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  Speaker 3: post office box, and over the next few weeks, dozens
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  Speaker 3: of letters poured in from men across South Florida. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: but I'd be flattered. I'd be like, wow, I am
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  Speaker 3: in hot. I am a hot to trot over here.
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  Speaker 3: Lease and one woman.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're going to be flattered or mortified. Come on now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to be mortified, but I'm also going
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  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, so somebody does want me. Lee
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  Speaker 3: sat there like a one-woman admissions board, opening each envelope,
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  Speaker 3: evaluating each candidate's handwriting, employment status, background, and intentions. Anyone
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  Speaker 3: who didn't measure up went straight into the garbage can.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot imagine what she would do in modern times
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  Speaker 3: with the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Somebody would get catfished, possibly.
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  Speaker 3: Catfished?
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  Speaker 2: You think she'd put up the proper picture of her daughter?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, no, I'm talking about she would just be, no,
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  Speaker 3: I think she would be out there just like Facebook stalking,
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  Speaker 3: like internet stalking, running background checks, credit checks, everything on
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  Speaker 3: these people.
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  Speaker 2: Out of that stack of mail, one letter caught Lee's eye.
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  Speaker 2: It came from a 32-year-old man by the name of
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  Speaker 2: David Brownstein. On paper, Dave seemed polite, articulate, family-oriented, and
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  Speaker 2: genuinely interested in settling down. Satisfied with her initial screening,
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  Speaker 2: Lee finally reached out to Arlene and handed her David's
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  Speaker 2: phone number, telling her that a wonderful young man had
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  Speaker 2: reached out through a mutual acquaintance.
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  Speaker 3: The newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: The newspaper.
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  Speaker 3: Arlene agreed to give it a shot. She and David
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  Speaker 3: set up a first date, met up, and what happened
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  Speaker 3: next was something Lee had never actually planned for. Arlene
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  Speaker 3: and David hit it off immediately, so a little mismatch
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  Speaker 3: maker over there.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like it when we met. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to just hit something. That's where we're at now, though.
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  Speaker 3: There was a real genuine chemistry. David was warm, down-to-earth, respectful,
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  Speaker 3: and treated Arlene with unconditional kindness and gentleness. She had
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  Speaker 3: rarely experienced growing up. Within weeks, they were completely inseparable,
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  Speaker 3: spending every weekend together and talking about their values, their hopes,
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  Speaker 3: and wanting to build a real family.
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  Speaker 2: Just like us. But while Arlene was walking on air,
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  Speaker 2: Lee was digging deeper into David Brownstein's background, and what
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  Speaker 2: she uncovered sent her into a complete tailspin. David wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a surgeon or a corporate partner at a white-shoe law firm.
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  Speaker 2: He was a hard-working, blue-collar entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God forbid.
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  Speaker 2: He owned and operated a commercial and automotive air conditioning
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  Speaker 2: repair business based out of Palm Beach County.
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  Speaker 3: I can barely even read those words.
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  Speaker 2: It's so disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: He worked long hours, handled tools, came home with dirt
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  Speaker 2: and grease under his fingernails.
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  Speaker 3: Ugh. Disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: And he drove a service vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: From place to place.
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  Speaker 3: The whore.
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  Speaker 2: Working in on things.
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  Speaker 3: To David and Arlene, he was a proud, self-employed business owner,
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  Speaker 3: like to most people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Building an honest living. And air conditioners always break. Everybody says, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You should learn how to fix air conditioners. Trust me,
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  Speaker 3: if you've ever had your air conditioner broke and you've
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  Speaker 3: got to pay just the one-time fee for them to
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: come out and see if it's broken, it's like $ 175
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  Speaker 3: off the bat, even if they spend 10 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're like, man, I should be an air conditioner.
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  Speaker 2: You know who's not going to be put out of
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  Speaker 2: work by AI?
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  Speaker 1: Air conditioners.
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  Speaker 2: Air conditioners, plumbers, electricians.
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  Speaker 3: So to David and Arlene, oh, I already read that.
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  Speaker 3: But to Lee, Goldsmith and air conditioning repairman was unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: She considered blue-collar trades unacceptable. Beneath her and her family's
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  Speaker 3: social standing, she couldn't stomach the thought of introducing an
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  Speaker 3: air conditioning mechanic to her friends in Lauder Hill.
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  Speaker 2: That would be terrible. Almost immediately, Lee's facade crumbled, and
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  Speaker 2: she went on the attack. When David came over to visit,
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  Speaker 2: Lee picked at him relentlessly. She sneered at his casual clothes,
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  Speaker 2: asked invasive, condescending questions about his tax returns and profit margins,
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  Speaker 2: and openly demeaned his trade right to his face. She
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  Speaker 2: warned Arlene that marrying David would drag her down socially
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  Speaker 2: and financially, and she pressured Arlene constantly to break things
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  Speaker 2: off and let her find her a real professional.
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  Speaker 3: But Arlene wasn't a teenager anymore. She sat David down
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  Speaker 3: and told him the honest truth about her mother, that
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  Speaker 3: Lee was a controlling narcissist who had tried to dictate
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  Speaker 3: every breath she took and that if they let Lee
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  Speaker 3: push them around now, Their lives would be an absolute nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: When David officially proposed in 1985, Arlene said yes without hesitation.
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  Speaker 2: Just like Kara did.
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  Speaker 1: Stewart.
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  Speaker 2: Lee took that proposal as an invitation to seize the reins.
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  Speaker 2: She demanded to pick the venue, dictate the floral arrangements,
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  Speaker 2: write out the guest list, and control how the wedding
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  Speaker 2: would be presented to the South Florida community. But Arlene
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  Speaker 2: and David knew that if they allowed Lee to run
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  Speaker 2: their wedding day, she would attempt to run every single
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  Speaker 2: day of.
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  Speaker 3: Their lives after that. Yeah, you can't let this bitch in, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Can't set that precedent.
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  Speaker 3: No. I would be like, I don't want your money,
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  Speaker 3: none of it.
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  Speaker 2: No. You remember when I paid for your wedding?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be held over their heads forever until
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  Speaker 3: they're like, we're just going to get divorced and remarried
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  Speaker 3: and then you paid for the failed wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So David and Arlene made a bold, agonizing decision. They
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  Speaker 3: stripped Lee Goldsmith of the guest list entirely. packed their bags,
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  Speaker 3: and eloped on their own terms to really piss her off.
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  Speaker 3: For an image-conscious socialite who craved control, being barred from
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  Speaker 3: her only daughter's wedding ceremony was, like, completely and totally
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  Speaker 3: humiliating to her. I mean, how do you even face
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  Speaker 3: your friends or explain that you weren't even around?
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: How was your daughter's wedding? Where did y'all go? Where
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: did she go?
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Because even if you elope, like, even if you do, like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: we did a very small wedding, but, like, your parents
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: are there, you know? Like, you might elope or something,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: but Usually the parents are at least there and maybe
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: the siblings or something like that.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Not if you elope. Then there ain't
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: nobody there.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Well, elope. It was a planned elopement.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Elope is you just run off to Vegas or something.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: No, but to me an elopement is in the moment
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you decide to do it. This wasn't a planned small
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: wedding to me. Not an elopement to me. Oh. You
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? Like there's elopement like you just
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: were in Vegas and you're like, we just decided to
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: get married versus we were engaged. We were planning a wedding.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It became too much. So we ran off and got married.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: That's different to me than just a full on elopement.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: It's a planned elopement. I will call it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Anyways.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: So Lee didn't view it as Lee didn't view this though.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Like they're keeping her out of the wedding as like
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: a consequence of her own behavior. she viewed it as
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: like a declaration of war. Like she never was self-reflective
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: in saying, what did I, how did I cause this
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: to happen? She just assumed they, she just said, oh,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I'm fine. They're the problem.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Over the next couple of years, David and Arlene settled
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: into a home in Boynton Beach and began having children.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: But instead of keeping a respectful distance, Lee became more intrusive.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: She would show up at the beach home completely unannounced,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: barge through the door, criticize the way Arlene kept the house,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and lecture them on how to raise their baby.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, and every mother, new mother, wants to hear from
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: some old bitch about what they're doing wrong.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: How they're doing it wrong.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, their feet are so cold. You should put
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: socks on that baby. Oh, you're not feeding that baby right.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Not that I've had any experience with that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Have you?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Every boomer out there that's going around and looking down
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: at women with their babies and they don't got socks
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: on their feet, then babies won't keep them socks on
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: that feet, okay? The babies don't want to do it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: If you just have a kid running around with just
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: socks on or laying there with socks, somehow a brand
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: new newborn for some reason can kick socks off. It's amazing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: They don't want them on.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Unless they're in a footie with the socks on.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yes. So David tried to remain polite for Arlene's sake.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: but Lee's hostility quickly escalated into full-blown screaming matches right
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: on their front porch. Lee told David he wasn't worthy
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: of raising her. Grandchildren demanded that Arlene pack up and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: move back home and treated David like an intruder in
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: his own living room. Finally, David had had enough. He
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: stepped between Lee and his family, pointed toward the street,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and told her bitch ass to get off his property
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and that she was banned and not to come back.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Arlene stood shoulder to shoulder with her husband. She looked
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: at her mother in the eye. She told her that
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: her behavior was toxic and intolerable and backed David completely.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: When Lee refused to stop calling and harassing them, Arlene
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: changed their home phone number to an unlisted number. Yes,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: if you watch the movie, they don't go... There is
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: an extreme... Well, we'll talk about it, but they don't
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: go into all of this.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: No.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And it's different names....
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He owns a mechanic shop.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Car wash.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Body shop. I think it's a body shop. So for
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: nearly four full years between 1985 and 1989, Lee Goldsmith
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: was cut off cold turkey. She was not allowed to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: visit her daughter's house. She was not permitted to call
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and she did not get to go see her grandchildren
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: grow up or anything. She was completely out of their lives.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Now for an ordinary parent, four years of estrangement might
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: lead to soul searching, counseling, or an apology. Well, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: have experience with this. But in quiet rooms of the
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Waterhill condo. What?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Four years of not talking to a parent, you would
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: think that they would kind of be like.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: What did, what could I have, what, what could, what
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: could cause an adult child to not want to be
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: in my, of not wanting.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Going nowhere without them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: What could, we won't get into that on this episode, but.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Or any episode.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. If you get enough drinks of me,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting, sipping and bullshitting. I might just.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Just spill all the family secrets?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Yep. Anyway, so she didn't do any soul-searching on this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: She just got madder and madder and madder and just
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: became full of venom and just pissed off at these people,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: just almost to a point of hatred.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. And Lee's twisted mind, her daughter Arlene, was not
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: responsible for her own choices. Lee convinced herself that Arlene
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was the victim... of psychological manipulation that David Brownstein had
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: brainwashed her, isolated her, and stolen her away out of
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: pure malice. Lee began repeating a dangerous fantasy to herself.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: If David were simply removed from this earth, the spell
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: would break. She believed that the very second David was
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: put in the ground, Arlene would pack up her children,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: weep with gratitude, and come running straight back to Mama's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: open arms.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Now, that toxic delusion turned deadly in early 1989. Lee
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: decided she was no longer going to wait for them
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to come around, for things to simmer down, and them
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: all to see that she is wonderful and need to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: come back into her life.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: She was going to have her son-in-law permanently eliminated.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: That's the next... It's like these men that want new lives.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, divorce? No. I'm gonna kill him.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Anyways, the only problem is a grandmother in Florida doesn't
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: typically have the phone number of a professional, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: contract killer saved in her address book. It's something that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: on speed dial.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: The ladies down at P-Knuckle don't have that?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: In late January or early February of 1989, Lee hired
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: an independent carpet cleaner to come out to her Lauderhill
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: condo to clean the rugs. While the man was running
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: his machinery and hauling equipment across her living room, Lee
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: started hovering over him. She began striking up strange, probing conversations.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: She asked where he lived, what kinds of neighborhoods he
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: worked in, whether he hung around rough characters, and if
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: he had any connections to people on the street who
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: handled serious problems.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Of course she thought anybody who, like.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Did she do, like, press her nose to the side
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and say, you know, anybody in the business?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just funny that she thought that
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: anybody who did any type of service work is like
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: automatically an ex-felon.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Connected somehow that they would know somebody.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the carpet cleaner was initially bewildered thinking, why
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: is this old bitch just making awkward small talk? But
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Lee kept leaning in, dropping hints, and finally she dropped
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: all pretense. She looked him dead in the eye and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: said that she had a son-in-law who was terrorizing her
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: family and she needed someone who could make him disappear.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: She asked him outright if he could put her in
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: contact with the hitman. I mean, this woman's very brazen. Yes.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think she also assumes that everybody who is working
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: blue collar or working in a service industry automatically is
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: shady and probably knows a hitman. That's her delusion.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this guy's just down there, he's trying to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: shampoo a Berber or a Shag carpet on a Tuesday afternoon,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and old Grandma coming up there, and she's looking to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: find an assassin. The carpet cleaner played it smart. He
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: realized he was dealing with an unstable situation in person.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He nodded along calmly, told Lee he might know a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: guy who could take care of things like that, took
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: down her phone number, finished packing his van, and he
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: drove away.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I like this guy. I would be like, yeah, I
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: can help you with that. I can help you with that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'll see what I can do.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: So he didn't call around to anybody because his intentions
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: were to drive straight to the Broward County Sheriff's Office.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: He walked up to the front desk and told deputies
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: that an elderly woman in a gated condo complex in
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Lauder Hill was trying to contract out the murder of
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: her son-in-law. At first, detectives were a bit skeptical about
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: It sounded like kind of a wild misunderstanding, like what's
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: this guy's carpet cleaner? And all of a sudden he's like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this bitch wants me to be her son-in-law. But the
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: details he provided were so specific that they took him
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: straight back to talk to him, to talk to the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: detectives in the undercover unit to see if they could help.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Flesh this out, see what's going on. Detectives set up
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a recording device, sat the carpet cleaner down at the desk,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and had him place a call to Lee Goldsmith's home phone.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: When Lee answered, the carpet cleaner told her that he
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: had reached out to his contact, who was a very dangerous,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: experienced professional contract killer who was willing to handle the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: job for the right price. Lee didn't hesitate for a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: single second.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Of course she would believe that. I mean.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: She asked when and where she could meet him. At
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Broward.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's office moved fast. They assigned an experienced undercover investigator.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: His name was Lieutenant Thomas Brennan to play the role
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of the hitman. Brennan was equipped with hidden audio recording
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: wires and an undercover persona that sounded dangerous and transactional.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: So they set up a meeting and they scheduled it
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: for in the morning in a parking lot of a
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: commercial shopping center in Tamarack, Florida, right outside Lauder Hill.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Undercover backup units and surveillance vans surrounded the parking lot.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Right on time, a pristine Cadillac pulled into the parking space.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Behind the wheel was 67-year-old Lee Goldsmith, quietly sitting with
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: her purse on her lap, looking like she had just
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: stopped by to pick up some groceries. Lieutenant Thomas Brennan
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: walked casually across the asphalt, opened the passenger door, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: slid into the front seat next to her.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Now look, what followed was one of the most chilling,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: cold-blooded conversations ever captured on police wiretaps, do in South
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Florida history. I mean, these guys were like, and the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: fact that whose mouth it was coming out of was
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: probably what made it even crazier. So Brennan didn't beat
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: around the bush. He introduced himself, made it clear what
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: business he was in and asked Lee what exactly she
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: needed done. Lee didn't flinch. She looked at Brennan and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: told him that she won her son-in-law, David Brownstein, murdered.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Lee was organized. She reached into her handbag and pulled
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: out a dossier she had prepared on David. She handed
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Brennan his... The problem.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Is this bitch needs a job. She got too much
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: time on her hands.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. She handed him David's home address, the make, model,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and license plate number of the vehicle he drove, the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: exact operating hours and layout of his air conditioning repair business.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: She had mapped out his daily schedule so that Brennan
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have any trouble finding him alone. Brennan.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I had a little yawn there, Stu. Brennan quoted
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: her a price of $ 12, 000 for the contract And Lee
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: was so brazen that she actually began haggling over the
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: price of killing David.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: She was trying to negotiate with him, and she bargained
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: him down to $ 10, 000. Like, she had money, okay?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I need to save $ 2, 000. I gotta spend that on
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: my grandchildren or something.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Now, she opened her purse, pulled out the envelope containing $ 1, 000
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: in cash as an upfront deposit, and handed it to Brennan.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: She promised that the remaining $ 9, 000 in cash would be
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: delivered the very moment David was dead.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But Lee didn't just want him dead. She gave Brennan
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: specific tactical instructions on how to execute the murder. She
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: told him to shoot David straight in the head, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: then she gave Brennan a piece of advice right out
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of a television crime show. She wanted him to plant
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a bag of cocaine on David's body so the police
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: would write it off as a drug deal gone bad.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: She wanted David's reputation destroyed even in his death.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, this woman is like.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Watched too much TV.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, she's watched too much TV and she thinks too
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: much of herself. She thinks she's smarter than everybody else.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: So even if this guy, even if the Brendan guy
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: was an actual contract killer, you think you know better
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: than the guy who does this for a living? Okay,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: come on now. And that wasn't all. While sitting in
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that Cadillac, Lee slipped that she wasn't done settling the scores.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: She told Brennan that she had another contract she wanted
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: to hire him for about six months down the road.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Brennan asked who that would be, and Lee casually told
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: him that she wanted acid thrown into the face of
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: David's elderly mother. She wanted the woman blinded and permanently
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: disfigured for giving birth to the man who had supposedly
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: ruined her life. Brennan kept his composure, pocketed the $ 1, 000 deposit,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: confirmed the plan, and stepped out.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Of the Cadillac. The moment Brennan walked away, Broward investigators
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: knew they had more than enough probable cause but to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: secure an airtight conviction for solicitation of first-degree murder, Florida
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: law required proving continuous criminal intent and the final exchange
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of money upon completion. Detectives immediately drove up to Palm
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Beach County to make contact with David Brownstein.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Which I don't understand why handing over the $ 1, 000 deposit
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: would not be.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Well, they can say that she was in the heat
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: of the moment, that she had not planned to carry on.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I guess. Well, they just want to make sure they
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: get a conviction. But for the time that she did,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: it feels like they didn't need to go to all
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: this trouble. Can you imagine being David now? He is,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you know, going about his day. He's at his office.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: He's handling all his business and everything. And a private
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: detective walks in, pulls into up there, flashes a badge,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and tells you that your mother-in-law has just paid a
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: deposit to have a hitman put a bullet through your skull.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Happy Monday. No, I think it was a Tuesday. Okay.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: He was like, I knew that bitch hated me.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not surprising. But David was horrified, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: he was not entirely shocked. He knew how unhinged Lee's
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: obsession had become. Detectives told David that they needed his
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: total cooperation to stage an elaborate ruse to catch Lee
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: handing over the final payment.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: David agreed immediately. On the morning of Wednesday, February 8th, 1989,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: David kissed his wife Arlene goodbye as part of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: operational plan. had law enforcement whisked him away into protective custody.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: They checked David into a secure hotel room under assumed
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: names with armed deputies stationed outside his door 24-7. Yeah, and.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: In the show, so that was the shocking thing. So
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: in the show, in the movie that they played, she
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: pretended that he, like, hit her and stuff like that,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: which was crazy. That was the first crazy thing she did.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And then she, in the show, though, like, We don't
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: know what's going on. We know that she wants to
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: hire someone to kill him. But we don't know they're
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: cops because they staged the whole thing of taking him
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and stuff. And then I was like, I bet those
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: are undercover cops. And then it was.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And I was like, no. They wouldn't actually shoot a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: gun in the office.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Well, this was a movie. In the real life, they
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: did what you would expect. They went and picked him up.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So to ensure that the sting would not fall apart,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: if Lee tried to verify David's demise, the Broward Sheriff's
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Office contacted the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's Office. The
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: chief medical examiner and senior staff were briefed on the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: undercover operation. They agreed that if Lee Goldsmith or anyone
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: connected to her called the morgue asking about an unidentified
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: body or a gunshot victim brought into the into the morgue,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the staff would corroborate the story and confirm that a
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: man matching David's description was sitting in the cooler.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: He's on ice. Over the next week, David stayed hidden
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: while detectives laid a final trap. On Wednesday, February 15, 1989,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the day after Valentine's Day, Lieutenant Brennan placed a phone
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: call to Lee Goldsmith's home. Brennan kept his voice low
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and serious. He told Lee that the job was done.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: He claimed that he had ambushed David outside his business,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: put bullets into his head, and that the body was
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: currently lying in the Palm Beach County morgue.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Now, Lee, of course, didn't express any shock, remorse, or grief.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: She asked Brennan when and where they could settle up
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: the remaining $ 9, 000 because she's a woman of her words, too.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: She wants to settle her debts.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Brennan instructed her to meet him that afternoon in the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: parking lot outside a restaurant in Lauder Hill right near
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: her home. Lee gathered an envelope stuffed with $ 9, 000 in cash,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: walked out to her Cadillac, and drove over to their
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: rendezvous points, too. After watching... What would we be watching
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: in 1989? Murder, she wrote.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Fresh Pants of Bel-Air? I don't know.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: No, I feel like she's been buffing up on her
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: crime shows leading up to this.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: When Lee pulled into the parking lot, Brennan was waiting.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: He walked up to the driver's side, opened the passenger door...
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and then climbed into the Cadillac once again. Inside the car,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: hidden microphones and nearby surveillance cameras were recording every single second.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: To ensure there could be no legal defense of entrapment
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: or misunderstanding, Brennan walked Lee through the fake execution step
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: by step. He described where he caught David, how David
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: fell to the ground, and how he left him bleeding
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: on the pavement.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so once he went through all that, his one
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: big question was, are you satisfied? And Lee didn't flinch.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: She looked at him, and she believes that this guy
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: just blew, I mean, killed her son-in-law, blew a hole
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: in his head. And she said, everybody's happy except the
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: one in the morgue. She's got jokes.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: She's cold-blooded. Right after delivering that line, Lee reached across
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the console and handed Lieutenant Brennan the white envelope containing $ 9, 000
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: in crisp cash. Brennan took the envelope, gave the prearranged
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: takedown signal over his hidden transmitter, and within seconds, patrol units,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: unmarked cruisers, and tactical vehicles swarmed the Cadillac. Detectives opened
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the door, pulled 67-year-old Lee out from behind the steering wheel,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and snapped the cuffs on her.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: The news of Lee's arrest exploded across South Florida headlines.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: She was worried about not getting invited to the wedding.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You got bigger problems now. She was worried about her
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: reputation with her friends.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: So neighbors in Lauderhill were stunned. How could this, like, grandma, retiree,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: who's been her afternoon organizing community functions, be the mastermind
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: of a paid hit? But prosecutors had Lee on tape.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: They had all of this evidence for solicitation to commit
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: first-degree murder, an offense that carried up to 30 years
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: behind bars.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: The case went to trial almost a year later in
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: January of 1990 in a Broward County courtroom presided over
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: by Circuit Judge John Ferreira. The trial began. The trial
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: became an absolute media circus. The courtroom gallery was overflowing
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: with curious spectators, retirees from surrounding condo communities.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they ain't got nothing else to do.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: They ain't got nothing else to do. They certainly ain't
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: going to try and kill their son-in-law, I guess. They're
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: going to go watch the court proceedings of a woman
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: who did try to have him murdered. Reporters from across
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the state, as well as numerous other people trying to
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: get in there, all the looky-loos. Lee Goldsmith entered the
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: courtroom leaning on a cane, wearing modest grandmotherly floral dresses.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Looking very fragile and helpless.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I would too.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You gotta play it up.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Gotta play it up. So she had high-powered defense attorneys,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: of course, because she's got money. They attempted to build
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: a sympathetic narrative, but it's kind of hard to overcome
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the audio.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: They argued that Lee had acted out of utter desperation.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: When Lee took the witness stand in her own defense,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: she spun an elaborate tale of terror. She claimed that David...
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: was a violent monster who had physically beaten her, threatened
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: to kill her, and systematically extorted over 100,000 doll hairs
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: from her life savings over the preceding four years.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: No, he did not.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: She claimed she only reached out to a hitman because
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: police wouldn't protect her and she was terrified for her
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: daughter's life.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Prosecutor W. Anthony Lowe told us tore that defense
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: into shreds on Krause's examination. When he pressed Lee for evidence,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: her story completely collapsed. There were no police reports filed
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: against David. There were no restraining orders, no medical records
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: showing injuries, not a single threatening letter or word that
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: they could prove.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: My question is, did her defense attorney not say, like, ma'am,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you should... He probably did tell her, you can't... I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: wouldn't go up there and say that if we don't
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: have record, because the police would have records. But she's
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: probably like, I know best, okay?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Just sit down there, young man, and I'll do this.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: When prosecutors... Are you married?
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: My daughter's not... As.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Soon as she gets rid of David, she'll be single.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: She'll need a stepdaddy for them children. When prosecutors subpoenaed
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Lee and Miltie's bank records, they found zero withdrawals supporting
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: her wild claim that David had extorted $ 100, 000 from them.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: It was all fabricated. It was all just a story
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: made up out of thin air.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Then came the most dramatic moment of the entire trial.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: The state called Arlene Brownstein to the witness stand. The
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: courtroom fell to silent as Arlene walked past her mother...
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: took the oath, and looked directly at the jury. Arlene
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: testified that her husband, David, was a loving, gentle, and
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: peaceful man who had never raised a hand to her,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: never threatened Lee, and never extorted a single penny from anyone.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: So she's going straight at her mother for this.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Arlene testified that her mother's entire motive was pure, unadulterated
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: venom and rage because she could not control their marriage.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And then the state played the undercover audio recordings for
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the jury and And any sympathy that the jurors might
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: have felt for this elderly, frail woman vanished in an instant.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: The voice echoing through the courtroom speakers wasn't a frightened grandmother.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It was gold lee goldsmith cold-bloodedly negotiating a human life
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: down to ten thousand dollars from twelve demanding a bullet
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: be put in his skull plotting to put plant cocaine
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: evidence on him and cackling that everybody's happy except for the.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Corpse in the morgue i mean that was she's got
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: jokes The jury didn't take long to reach their decision,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: so after brief deliberations, they returned to the courtroom with
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: a unanimous verdict, which was guilty of solicitation to commit
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: first-degree murder. Lee sat motionless at the defense table as
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the verdict was read. Her facade finally cracking, because I'm
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: sure she never thought that this would ever... She thinks
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: she's the smartest person ever.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, she had her nose way up in the air.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: She didn't think anybody was going to be able to
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: touch her.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: So two months later in March of 1990, Lee returned
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: to court for sentencing. Under Florida guidelines, Judge Ferreira handed
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: down a sentence of five and a half years in
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Florida State Prison. The moment the judge uttered the words
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: five and a half years, Lee gasped. Her eyes rolled back,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: her knees buckled, and she collapsed completely flat onto the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: courtroom floor. Such a dramatic bitch.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It is. And as one might imagine, pandemonium broke out
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: in the courtroom. Her husband, Miltie, started crying out. Bayless
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: rushed forward.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Miltie's a.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Whipped.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, he was sad in the movie, too. He was, like, ridiculous.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Paramedics had to be called into the courtroom with a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: stretcher and oxygen tanks to wheel the 68-year-old Lee out
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to an ambulance while spectators looked on in disbelief.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: But spanking fells couldn't erase a felony.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Spanking fells?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Is that what I said?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, you did say it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Spanking fells.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Leave that in there.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Painting fails. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm starting to new trends too,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: but fainting spells couldn't erase a felony conviction. After being
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: medically cleared, Lee was booked into the Broward Correctional Institution
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: to begin serving her time. She served roughly five and
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: a half of her, roughly half of her five and
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: a half year sentence before being granted early parole in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: June of 1995 at the age of 73. Um, She
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: should have gone to prison the whole time, yes. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: if we're running out of room, let the crazy lady
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: who thinks that she can just go ask somebody to
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: kill somebody, and she pretty much has one target, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: it's David. So the only person that's probably in danger
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: is David and his mother.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: The rest of us are safe. So if I got
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: to pick between letting her out early or letting a
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: rapist out early... Fine. Okay, I get it. But I
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: still think she should have served her entire time because
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: she deserved to be. But man, that bitch probably two
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: plus years in prison was like.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: The guards are like, can you parole this bitch?
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. I can't deal.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: With her anymore. Get her out of here.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so before being granted early parole in June of
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: 1995 at the age of, oh, I already read that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: When she was released, she returned quietly to South Florida
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: where she lived out the remainder of her life away
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: from the spotlight until her death In 2011 at the
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: age of 89. Wow.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Hate can fuel you for quite some time. It can.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Well, she calmed down after that. She's like, man, I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: got caught. I got to hang out with Miltie. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: got this husband whose name is Miltie.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe he died of loneliness while she was in the clink. No,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you don't think so?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: No, he didn't. No. He's sad. He's like, I'm waiting
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: on you from the other side.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to get out of this. We'll have conjugal visits.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: She's like, please. Please don't. Please don't come, metaphorically or literally.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: David and Arlene Brownstein never spoke to Lee again, as
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: one might imagine. They kept their home, protected their children,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and built a peaceful life far away from Lee's toxic grasp.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: But the sheer audacity of this case, a grandmother hiring
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a hitman out of spite because her son-in-law was a
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: blue-collar repairman... Was so unforgettable.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Plus, he owned his own business. I mean, he was
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: even like.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: The boss.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he was even the boss. Come on.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Wasn't good enough for him. Imagine if he worked for somebody.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I know. Lord help.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Now, this case was so unforgettable that Hollywood adapted it
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: into the famous 1997. You're just going to keep reading.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: ABC television movie, Mother Knows Best. Starring Joanna Kearns.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: It was a good movie. Highly recommend. Me and Stu
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: watched it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Joanna Kearns. She was the mom in Who's the Boss,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: wasn't she?
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Who's the Boss? Which one's Who's the Boss?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: With Tony Danza and Alyssa Milano.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I don't remember any of that. Anyways, so, all right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: What are you saying?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I think that's it. We're not saying anything else. Because
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: we already talked about, we talked about the show enough.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: We don't have to keep going on.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Rehashing it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I do recommend it. I think we watched
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: it on Plexi for free.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Plex?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Like Plexi.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Movie Plex or Plexi?
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Plex and Tubi are the two like free ones. You
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: have to watch commercials. But they are free and they
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: have a lot of those like 90s movies like that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: So we watched another one. What was the other one
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: we watched? We watched another good one.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: What did we watch? That was the one about the....
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: You finished the Betty Broderick one on your own. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: went to bed and you watched that one on your own.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: But we watched another one, too.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: There was only like 16 minutes left. I'm like, I
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: had sunk cost in this show. I'm just like, there's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: 16 minutes left. You can go to bed. I've got
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to watch this.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: But we watched another one, too. That was really good.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: And I can't remember which one that was.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I've been watching The Conjurings here lately.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: No, you left. You left me watching that one about the...
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: High school football player that killed his girlfriend in San Antonio.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: He's pregnant.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. And then we found the case that
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: it was based on. No, it wasn't in San Antonio.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I thought it was near San Antonio.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: No, the original case I thought that it was based
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: off of was supposed to be in San Antonio, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that wasn't actually the case it was based off of.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: There was another one up in, like, oh, I don't know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch the movie.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I've been watching... I actually sat there and watched
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the whole thing.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I've been watching... They're addictive, those made-for-TV movies back in
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: the 90s. I mean.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: How are they going to catch me?
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But this one was really good. I thought The
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Mother Knows Best.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: So I'd highly recommend watching it. Well, they had to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: throw a little thriller in there in the parking lot
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: when they were making an exchange. Like the cops were
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: losing signal to the cash exchange because there was somebody
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: on their CB in a Jeep driving by.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're losing the audio.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: We're losing the audio.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Boys. Oh, no.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: We might not get this.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: We don't roast well. Throw your stickers. That's an inside joke,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: and I can't let go of it from something I
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: witnessed at work.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Anyways. I ain't going nowhere without them.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: That's another one. That's one of our other go-to inside jokes.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Another story for another day.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: What else you got?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I need you to get to your... So this is
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: more of a lighthearted one. Nobody actually died, you know?
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Unless it was from natural causes at the age of 89.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lee finally died.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yes. Do you have your yawning Jesus?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Of course I have a yawning Jesus, Kara. This is
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: going to be another one that you will not like.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, God. Really? Really.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you like any of them?
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: No, but I don't... I mean, some of them, but
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't like the ones that are, like, disturbing sexual
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: things that involve things that shouldn't be having sex with something.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, the dog thing?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yes. It's fucking.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: She said that she was just petting it. I don't
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: know if you could tell based on the camera angle
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: or not, but.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: All right, do you have it ready to go right now?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Coming to us from people... I don't know. Online magazine?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: People magazine.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Friday. Really? September 11th.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: This is a.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Published September 15th, 2026.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Well, they couldn't publish it on September 11th. That would be.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Probably not. Well, this happened on September 11th. You would
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: think this lady would be aware. Female passenger accused of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: undressing and performing indecent acts on American Airlines flights.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, you cannot do that. Of all days... You have
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to be on your best behavior on a plane on
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: September 11th. Everybody's already nervous. We flew on a September
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: 11th because flights were cheaper.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Where'd we go?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Where did we go?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Didn't we go to Florida to go on a cruise,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I think?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe, but we did pick September 11th. I'm not making
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: a lying situation, so don't come at me. But the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: flights were cheaper on that day. The point is that
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: everyone's supposed to be on their best behavior that day.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: People are already on edge. We can't be having you
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: doing weird stuff on the plane. Everybody just mind their
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: own and be good. Of all the days on a plane,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: that's the day. Just keep it together, folks.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, this lady needs to listen to you.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Especially American Airlines. This is some frontier Spirit Airlines nonsense.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, Spirit Airlines just went bankrupt. An American
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Airlines passenger is accused of stripping naked and behaving inappropriately
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: on a flight to.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Florida.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Florida. Shortly after 9 p.m. local time on Friday, September 11th,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: American Airlines Flight 1779 departed from Baltimore, Washington, International Airport.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: thoroughgood marshall airport good that is a long name heading
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: for miami international airport according to flight aware during the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: flight attendants were reportedly forced to alert cockpit crew to
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: a disturbance involving a female passenger According to the aviation
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: website Air Live, the aircraft communication addressing and reporting system, ACARS,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: logged the lead flight attendant's report alleging that a woman
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: had undressed and was engaging in indecent acts, Kara.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I think undressing would be indecent enough on a flight.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: But it gets worse.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is what, maybe Spirit Airlines should have introduced this.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe strippers on planes? Could have kept the Could have
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: opened a Mile High Club plane.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I did see that somewhere. You can, like, get on
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: an airplane, like a private airplane, for 45 minutes, fly around.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Pilot takes you around, you join the Mile High Club.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I'll save that for another y'all meeting.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: As the lead flight attendant requested that the incident be
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: reported to American Airlines, Integrated Operations Center and law enforcement
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: officers were waiting at Gate D2, Terminal N, when the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: plane arrived, according to FlightAware. The Airbus A13 landed in
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Miami at about 11.23 p.m. local time. Statement shared with people,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: a Miami-Dade Sheriff's Office spokesman confirmed deputies responded to the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: aircraft just after 11 p.m. regarding a disturbance on board.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: The initial investigation determined the disturbance happened in flight, prompting
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: deputies to reach out to the FBI, which is now
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: investigating the incident. A spokesman for FBI's Miami office confirmed
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to PEOPLE the agency is aware of the incident, but
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: did not provide further comment. American Airlines confirmed the flight
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: was met with law enforcement upon arrival in Miami due
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to a disruptive customer. God, PEOPLE is just beating this
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to death. The incident follows a series of other recent
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: disturbances on flights, including two passengers, who had to be
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: restrained with cable ties on a Virgin Australia flight from
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Melbourne to Doha on September 11th after allegedly making threats. Again,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: it was September 11th, you people. A week prior, a
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: man on American Airlines flight from Dallas to New Jersey
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: was duct-taped to his seat after allegedly shouting racial and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: homophobic slurs and hitting at least two people. Now, from
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: what I understand, she was engaging in a.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Little Well, you know, I sat next to that guy,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: that German dude that was masturbating next to me on
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: the plane.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, we have more important news that's happening currently right
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: now while we're recording this. Because Krista Pike, we covered that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Remember?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: She was the one. She got those other friends to
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: go out there and, like, torture that girl.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, and then she was carrying that girl's piece of skull.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Around in her pocket. Yes, she took the Colleen.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, look at the skull from that girl.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, so she killed her. Her name was Colleen. She
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: murdered her back in 1995, so she's been on death
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: row in Tennessee. Well, today she was supposed to be
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: executed this morning. They paused it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: However, they continued it. She was scheduled to be executed
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: at 8 p.m. tonight, so that was an hour, 30
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: minutes ago, whatever their time, I guess.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Central time?
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I think Tennessee would be Eastern time.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: No. No, because Memphis is.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: So here's the big thing. Tennessee officials, this is from
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: the AP, Tennessee officials were unable to carry out the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: execution of Krista Pike for the 1995 murder on Wednesday
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: after the lethal injection was halted for.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: That's not the point. I was.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, whatever. I already said that. I thought they were
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: going to get into the meat and potatoes of it all.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: So she's 50 years old. She's scheduled, blah, blah, blah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: So here's the problem. Authorities appeared to give Pike, this
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: is what I was saying, they're unable to. I don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: know why they buried the lead right there. Authorities appeared
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to give Pike two doses of the pentobarbital or whatever
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: it's called. And she was still awake snoring more than
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: 40 minutes after the last dose. They couldn't put her down, Stu.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, they can't kill her?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: You know, she was kind of satanic.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It didn't stop her heart.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So at 8.53 p.m., there was an announcement to escort
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: media and witnesses out of the area. They're like, things
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: aren't right. If you survive an execution, is that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I think you just get to walk out of the jail.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I think you just get to walk out of the jail.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: It's like double.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: The execution's been carried out.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so they're trying to... So yeah, I don't know
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: if she's actually passed. They tried to... They did two
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: injections and she was still alive.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Did they get the wrong bottle? Did they just give
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: her some saline or something?
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, she was snoring, they said. Yeah,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: so I don't know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: What's... Well, I thought they put them to sleep first
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: and then pushed the poison once they fell asleep.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: It says she's still alive. Right now. Crazy.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Let's check the Facebook.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, we can't read this article. The Tennessean wants me
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: to pay.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: So... They think we got crime junkie money?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Well, the reason I know this is because someone commented,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I was looking at the Facebook, and someone commented, said,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Janine said it's happening at 8, so then I went
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: and looked, and it said that they can't get her down.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Can't put her down.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Nope, can't put her down. Anyway, so that's your breaking
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: news that you'll hear. Well, if you're on Patreon, you're
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: going to hear it here in about five minutes when
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I finish editing this episode.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Or about an hour and five minutes, because the episode's
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: an hour and five minutes long.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'll be hearing this at that time. Yeah,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: we edit as we go, so I just like... Actually,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: we don't even edit anymore. We just keep going, basically.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Unless I start yelling at Stu about Lindsay Clancy. But
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: we just kind of go. So then once we're done recording,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: that's it. Whatever you guys get, you get, okay?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: We've tried to tighten up the regular episodes, so I
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: will say that. We did a husband stitch on the
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: regular episodes.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Husbands, no.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And we kind of go a little more free-balling on
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: the sitting, sipping, and bullshit.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get a couple drinks and care. Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so, all right, well, that is our case for
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: this week. You know, it wasn't too much of a downer.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: We got things going. We got Caleb Flynn's going to prison,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: so that's great news. Mm-hmm. Took them two hours. They
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: were probably just like, we can't just go out there.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody's waiting on us. They probably were like, I want
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: to be in the spotlight a little bit longer. Everybody's
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: waiting on me. I want to make a scene, a diva.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Let's wait at least two hours before we go out there.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Let's get the free lunch. And then they found him guilty.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: We got Lindsey Clancy. We might finally get that Patrick fucker,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: you know. We could possibly get that. And then there
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: was something... Oh, we got the Krista Pike thing. This
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: is all happening right now, so we'll have to see
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: how that turns out. That's crazy. But yeah, I thought
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: that if you survived the execution, you.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Served your sentence.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: They carried out the sentence, and that's it.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I thought you actually had to die there.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Well, no, but I thought that was a whole thing. Like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: if you were in the... When they used to shoot you,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: if you survived.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That, then.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: That might have been back in the day and they
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: were like, too many people are getting out of this.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to... I don't know. I don't know how
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: that works. Your execution is served and when you actually die.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I think... But if something happened and they didn't put...
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: If she doesn't die now, they're going to have plenty
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: of cause to say she shouldn't be put to death
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: because this is like unnecessary torture or whatever, which is
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: going to be their argument.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: But.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so that is our case for this week. Anything
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: else you'd like to add, Stu? Okay, that's good.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: So.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Until next time, stay safe, lock your doors, and keep
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: that porch light on. Bye, everyone. Say bye, Stu.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Bye, Stu.