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Florida's Missing Jennifer Kesse showered and dressed for work, then vanished · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one two. Hardly three or four days
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Speaker 1: past that I do not think about a beautiful young girl,
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Speaker 1: long blonde hair, big blue eyes, the world in front
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Speaker 1: of her, just starting out in her professional life. And
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Speaker 1: I also think about her parents, because her parents, Drew
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Speaker 1: and Joy, spent their whole life working to make a
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Speaker 1: living to support Jennifer and her brother, the entire family,
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Speaker 1: pouring all their love, their hopes, their dreams, their money,
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Speaker 1: their attention. Oh, think about it. You know, the literally games,
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Speaker 1: the girl scows, the cookies, the this, the that, the
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Speaker 1: tooth fairy, the braces, It goes on and on and on,
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Speaker 1: and it's They're not chores. They're not chores at all.
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Speaker 1: They're the things you do for love, and to this day,
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Speaker 1: they are still doing it for love, searching for their
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Speaker 1: beautiful girl, Jennifer Kessie. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I've been thinking about
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Speaker 1: that a lot, the things you do for love. I
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Speaker 1: want to go out first. Our guests joining us, Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, now renowned forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator, Professor of
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University. Sean Gerd joining us, the
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Speaker 1: co producer up an wildly popular podcast, Unconcluded, and special
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Speaker 1: guests joining me, my long time friends Drew and Joyce, Cassie,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's parents. I want to go first to miss Cassie. Joyce,
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Speaker 1: thank you for spending your time with me, with all
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Speaker 1: of us, just so you know we care. We all care.
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Speaker 1: There's no way we could walk a mile in your shoes.
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Speaker 1: But I hope sometimes knowing that we all of us
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Speaker 1: listening care about Jennifer helps you in some way. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it can or not, but please tell
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Speaker 1: us when this odyssey started it was just a normal day.
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Speaker 1: That's how it was with my fiancee was killed. It
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Speaker 1: was bright and shiny and beautiful when I stepped out
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Speaker 1: of that building at Mercer University. I had no idea
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Speaker 1: what was to come that day. Please take me back,
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Speaker 1: miss Cassie, to the day that you realize Jennifer was gone. Well,
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Speaker 1: I actually, without excuse me, I was at a local
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Speaker 1: UM print shop. I was getting ready to do a
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Speaker 1: presentation at work and my phone rang and it was
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's employer wondering if there was a family emergency. And
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Speaker 1: I it totally took me off guard, and I said,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, And he wanted to know if there was
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Speaker 1: a family emergency and I said, no, what's the matter
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Speaker 1: And he said, they can't reach Jennifer. She didn't show
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Speaker 1: up for work, And instantly I knew that something was
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Speaker 1: wrong because that's not Jennifer. And that started the surreal
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Speaker 1: nightmare that to this day. UM is our life. UM
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Speaker 1: our life is dedicated to finding Jennifer. Now. Um it's it, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it remains. Sometimes I have no words for this journey
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Speaker 1: and this life that we're living, but it is all
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Speaker 1: about Jennifer and what happened to her, and she gives
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Speaker 1: us strength to keep pushing to find out what happened
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Speaker 1: to her. You know, I think about so many things
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Speaker 1: that you said are just colliding in my head right now.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I smiled because I thought of you,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I know you so well now,
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Speaker 1: but without of you at a print shop, because now
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Speaker 1: being at a print shop getting ready for a presentation
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Speaker 1: something nobody, my childer wouldn't even know what what what
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Speaker 1: I was talking about, because with the im patents into this,
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Speaker 1: the printer in the basement blab you know, they don't
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Speaker 1: even know what we're talking about. You have to go
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Speaker 1: to a print shop to get a presentation ready. I
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Speaker 1: was just thinking about you there at the Xerox machines
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Speaker 1: and trying to bind things and blow ups. And then
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Speaker 1: I thought about what you said, that this is your life.
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Speaker 1: You know, I have thought the very same thing so
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Speaker 1: many times about you know, when I would be in
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Speaker 1: the depths of despair, when I was just alone, I
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Speaker 1: could feel the presence of eats death. It was like
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Speaker 1: a presence in the room, taking up the room. M hm.
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Speaker 1: And now I try, you know, not to let that
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Speaker 1: be in my life. To affect my children. But it
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Speaker 1: is it is your life. It's who you are and
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Speaker 1: how you live, how you wake up every morning, what
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Speaker 1: you think about, that's who you become. You know. I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about that day when you were at the print shop.
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Speaker 1: What did you do when they said that, I mean,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer never missed work, very responsible? What what did you do?
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Speaker 1: You're standing there with all these papers and bindings and
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Speaker 1: blow ups and all that, and like a what do
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Speaker 1: they say, Jackie um Kinko's or a quick copy? What
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Speaker 1: did you do it? It was that I was actually
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Speaker 1: out of stable and I had this presentation I was
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Speaker 1: doing for believe it or not, Medicare party um the
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Speaker 1: drug Plan, and it had just rolled out twelve and
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Speaker 1: a half years ago. And when I got the phone call,
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Speaker 1: I immediately just was in shock. And the girl at
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Speaker 1: the register knew that something was wrong. I started crying
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Speaker 1: and she came over and I just said, I can't,
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Speaker 1: I can't, and I walked away from all of the work.
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Speaker 1: I just asked her to shred it. I went to
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Speaker 1: the cancer hospital that I was working at and I
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Speaker 1: went to the Social work office and I told them
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Speaker 1: they canceled the presentation. They sat with me until Drew
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Speaker 1: drove the hour up from Brandon, and then we made
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Speaker 1: that two hour trip over to Orlando calling police. I
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Speaker 1: all all of my colleagues to say, please, you call police.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's still is surreal. I still
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Speaker 1: cannot believe that I haven't hugged Jennifer in twelve and
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Speaker 1: a half years, and that's what I missed them up.
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Speaker 1: I have to tell you something, miss Cassie. I've I've
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Speaker 1: spoken to you several times, but when you were just
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Speaker 1: talking and I actually thought I was going to be
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Speaker 1: sick to my stomach because it brings back so vividly.
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Speaker 1: It's that moment, that moment nobody has to tell you.
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Speaker 1: When they said she didn't come to work, you knew
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Speaker 1: and used to shred it and walked out. When they
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Speaker 1: told me to call Keith's family, I need ma'am right
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Speaker 1: then mm hmm. That he was gone, and it's such
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Speaker 1: a shock I can I can hardly even remember what
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Speaker 1: happened after that, and I'm thinking about you and those
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Speaker 1: feelings are it's very overwhelming. So you called your husband
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Speaker 1: and where was he at that time? He was at
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Speaker 1: home working in his home office and our son, Logan
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Speaker 1: was at the gym. And ironically, Logan's car had just
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Speaker 1: been put on a UM Car transport carrier because he
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Speaker 1: was in the process of moving out to California, so
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Speaker 1: he didn't have a car. So when I called Drew,
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Speaker 1: Logan had taken Drew his car to the gym. He
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Speaker 1: had left his phone at home. Drew didn't know the
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Speaker 1: name of the gym, so Drew is like pacing. He
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Speaker 1: called the UM Mosaic at Millennia, the complex where she lived,
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Speaker 1: and UM asked them to please check her unit look
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Speaker 1: for her car, which they did, and they had two
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Speaker 1: managers come and go into her home. Nothing looked out
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Speaker 1: of place. Her suitcase was still inside the foyer of
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Speaker 1: her home. And that's when the reality hit that, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, something has happened to Jennifer. And it's funny
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Speaker 1: because my initial reaction was, oh my god, we've got
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Speaker 1: to find her. For some reason, I didn't go My
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Speaker 1: mind didn't go right away to a car accident. Well
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Speaker 1: that's I remember, Joyce. I kept thinking, I've got to
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Speaker 1: get to Keith. I've got to get to Keith because
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Speaker 1: I can fix it. I've got to get there and
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Speaker 1: of course who's out of town, and there's all sorts
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Speaker 1: of mix ups trying to you know, rally people so
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Speaker 1: I could get to where I needed to be. And
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Speaker 1: then you know, I've I've told this story. I saw
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Speaker 1: my pastor on the other side of a desk right
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Speaker 1: Burnstein Funeral Hume, and it was upside down and I
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Speaker 1: read it and that's when I knew that there had
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Speaker 1: not been an act. I didn't know what had happened,
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Speaker 1: but I knew that Keith was dead then and doctor
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Speaker 1: Oliver hung the phone up and I said what happened?
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Speaker 1: And he said Keith was murdered. And I, like you,
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Speaker 1: I didn't immediately get I knew something was horribly wrong,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't go to there. I wouldn't let my
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Speaker 1: mind go there. Just thinking of that mix up with
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Speaker 1: your son has the car and Drew Cassie is at
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Speaker 1: the house kind of trapped, pacing around, and you're trying
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Speaker 1: to get there and he's an hour away and she's Orlando.
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Speaker 1: Just the the mix up, even that is breaking my
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Speaker 1: heart because the whole time you're you're trying to get
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Speaker 1: there and you can't get there, so you're calling the
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Speaker 1: management and I'm sure, they did exactly what they said,
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't believe it until I went myself and
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Speaker 1: did it myself. So you you get hooked up with
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's dad, your husband Drew, and you're on your way
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Speaker 1: to Orlando. You're frantically calling people on the telephone. What
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Speaker 1: are you guys talking about during that drive. Well, we
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Speaker 1: did a lot of crying, and we still do a
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Speaker 1: lot of crying, but we just we were an overdrive.
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Speaker 1: We didn't know what to think. We knew something was wrong.
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Speaker 1: We knew we had to find Jennifer. My one colleague
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Speaker 1: for the company I was working with. Orlando is her territory,
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Speaker 1: and I asked her what was the weather, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: was it raining in the morning, Thinking well, maybe her
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Speaker 1: car skid off the road into the woods. But but Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's really strange because as I'm asking my colleagues these questions,
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Speaker 1: somehow I just knew in my heart that it was
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Speaker 1: not an accident. It was something that we had to
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Speaker 1: find Jennifer, like, we had to find her. I can't
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Speaker 1: explain it. I can't I but I can't explain it
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Speaker 1: because Jennifer had felt uneasy in that complex. If you
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Speaker 1: recall from the workers and they would make lear and
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Speaker 1: comments and what have you. So I think maybe on
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Speaker 1: some subconscious level that must have just been bubbling onto
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Speaker 1: the surface us. So that went Jen didn't show up
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Speaker 1: for work and I found out that the roads were
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Speaker 1: clear that day. I just, uh, something happened to her.
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Speaker 1: Now I can't tell you what I thought happened to her,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't a car accident with me. In addition
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Speaker 1: to Sean Guard and Joseph Scott Morgan and Jennifer's mom,
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Speaker 1: her beautiful mom, Joyce Kessie is Jennifer's dad, Drew, I
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Speaker 1: just I just wish I could be in the room
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Speaker 1: with you right now and just hold your hand to
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Speaker 1: see you. I don't know what that emotion is when
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Speaker 1: you just want to be with somebody in the flesh
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Speaker 1: through that day to your memory. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it's been distorted over time. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: there are moments you can't remember. That's what's happened to me?
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Speaker 1: And what do you recall of that morning? Well, you
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Speaker 1: do start to forget some things, um and usually are
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Speaker 1: a little minor things that you you wish you could remember.
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Speaker 1: You know, the toner voices, the last things you've said,
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Speaker 1: the last things you hear, and what have you. But
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Speaker 1: as Joyce said, I worked out of my home um
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Speaker 1: and I was in on Tuesdays. It was a Tuesday morning,
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Speaker 1: and on Tuesdays it was telemarketing day in my position
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Speaker 1: in sales, and I usually made about a hundred telephone
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Speaker 1: calls looking for appointments. And I got a call from
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine who Jennifer worked at a company
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Speaker 1: of a friend of ours, and he said, hey, Um,
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Speaker 1: is anything wrong with jen She didn't show up for
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Speaker 1: work today. And I'm like, well, that's weird. No, nothing's
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Speaker 1: wrong with jenn I spoke to her last night. Let
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Speaker 1: me give her a call. I'll call you right back.
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Speaker 1: And she always picked the phone up period. It was
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Speaker 1: just a rule in our house that if your mother
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Speaker 1: or father calls you, we don't care where you are.
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Speaker 1: You picked the phone up. And it was the first
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Speaker 1: time ever since sixteen years old when we gave her
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Speaker 1: her phone and she had a car, probably fifteen years old. Drew,
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Speaker 1: that is so funny. That is the only call I
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Speaker 1: will absolutely always pick up. It's from my mother or
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Speaker 1: before my dad went to heaven, my Dad, everybody else,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, let it keep, let's go to voicemail. As
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Speaker 1: everybody's looking at me right now and knows oh so
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Speaker 1: well at the same rule here, you know, that's the
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Speaker 1: only people Rain or Shine, Hell are high water. I
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Speaker 1: would pick the phone up, so I'm just imagining you
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Speaker 1: dialing that number. So you dial it, and what happens.
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Speaker 1: For the first time ever, it didn't ring. It went
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Speaker 1: straight into her voicemail. And when that happened, I knew
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Speaker 1: something was really wrong. So of course I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: collect Logan, which I couldn't collect until he got home
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Speaker 1: from the gym, and I'm calling Joyce saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've got to meet up, and we're calling obviously the
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Speaker 1: police were calling hospitals, we're calling jails, we're calling anywhere
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Speaker 1: we think that this some woman daughter of ours could
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Speaker 1: possibly be at the time, and you know what, Drew,
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Speaker 1: what people if you unless you're in that spot, I
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Speaker 1: remember you know you guys know Mr miss Kessey know
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Speaker 1: it was well over twenty years after Keith Margaret that
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Speaker 1: I could trying to move forward. And I'm married David,
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Speaker 1: who I'm with today and we have our twins. Well
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Speaker 1: because I guess because of what happened with Keith. I'm
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Speaker 1: always freaked out when the twins are David frankly my
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Speaker 1: mom out of my sight. And he flew out of town,
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Speaker 1: actually to your neck of the woods, and he texted
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Speaker 1: when he touched down, but then I never heard his
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Speaker 1: voice again. And by about midnight, you know, I had
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Speaker 1: gotten the children to bed, and I didn't know hear
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Speaker 1: from him. I'm like, did somebody hit him in the
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Speaker 1: head in the parking lot? Did he ever even make
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Speaker 1: it out of the parking deck at the airport? Do
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Speaker 1: you know? I got my friend d on the phone.
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Speaker 1: We stayed up that night, believe it or not, until
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Speaker 1: five in the morning, and um, I didn't know any
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Speaker 1: hotel numbers, any hospital numbers, anything. When you're trying to
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Speaker 1: find somebody, it's hard. We were on multiple devices looking
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Speaker 1: up numbers, trying to call. Finally found him, and the
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Speaker 1: big lug had had dinner and fallen asleep in his clothes.
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Speaker 1: He was so tired because he's been up since four
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Speaker 1: in the morning. And I finally got a manager to
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Speaker 1: go to his room and bam on the door to
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Speaker 1: make sure that he was okay. And when you're trying
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Speaker 1: to do that. It's you don't have the number, or
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Speaker 1: you can't find this, you can't you're running out of
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Speaker 1: places to look. I could just see you two in
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Speaker 1: the car, trying to call hospitals, trying to call sheriffs,
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Speaker 1: trying to call police, trying to call friends, and it's
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Speaker 1: just a big mishmash of confusion. Were you guys doing
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Speaker 1: this in the car as you drove, Yeah, we were
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Speaker 1: was driving about ninety miles up are out four, just
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Speaker 1: trying to get there. Yes, we needed to get there.
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Speaker 1: And all along the way we were you know, we
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Speaker 1: were talking to people, and as Joyce said, we had
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Speaker 1: the management company go in there and nothing seemed wrong whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: And when we arrived, you know, we did get the sheriff,
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Speaker 1: and we were no sooner at the front door of
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Speaker 1: uniforms officer, Officer Coudre I remember his name to this day,
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Speaker 1: That and the frustration of getting there beyond beyond frustrating,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and being told that and the cop just
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Speaker 1: walks off. Oh okay, when you get there. When you
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Speaker 1: drive up to her condo in Orlando, the Orlando area,
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Speaker 1: that was a nice condo community, very nice, upscale. They
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Speaker 1: were having a lot of construction. You know how what's
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Speaker 1: the condo community or apartments? Do? Well? They suddenly have
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Speaker 1: quote phase two and the next thing he turned around,
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Speaker 1: no trees and no lake and no saw grass knows nothing,
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Speaker 1: nothing but condos. Anyway, her condo a community was really nice, convenient.
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Speaker 1: You drive in and you get to her place, what
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Speaker 1: did you say? We saw an empty parking spot. Um
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Speaker 1: So we said, okay, she must have made it out
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Speaker 1: or attempt to make it out. We went up to
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Speaker 1: her condo, opened the door and everything was it locked,
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Speaker 1: you know it was it was long, well the condo,
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Speaker 1: the condo was locked. But I mean we had the
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Speaker 1: management going before we came, so you didn't really know. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so it was lots lots But again again nothing was
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Speaker 1: out of place. Her bathroom was just a sheer mess,
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Speaker 1: because that's what she does when she gets ready. But
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Speaker 1: everything else in her entire condo was just totally in place.
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Speaker 1: Um So we say, that's funny you would say that.
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Speaker 1: Um Joseph Scott Morgan with me, Sean gird with me,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, my children that you know very well. Lucy's
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Speaker 1: bathroom They've got tiny NETTLEBT bathrooms off their bedroom. And
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Speaker 1: when Lucy gets out, and she is the organized one
24:09
Speaker 1: who's always taking notes and very meticulous, her bathroom looks
24:12
Speaker 1: like a cyclone headed. Okay. John David, who's the mayor
24:17
Speaker 1: of Funville, his bathroom is absolutely perfectly in place. Okay,
24:24
Speaker 1: So when you if I found them opposite, I would
24:27
Speaker 1: think they had switched bathrooms. So when he says her
24:31
Speaker 1: bathroom looked just like it did when she always gets
24:34
Speaker 1: ready for work, that's the way Lucy's is going to base,
24:37
Speaker 1: the way it is in the morning before school, that
24:39
Speaker 1: means something, Joe Scott, it means something explained. Why little
24:43
Speaker 1: clues like that count. Yeah, I think you're writing in justice.
24:47
Speaker 1: Mr Keisie had said, Uh, you know this is this
24:51
Speaker 1: is not something new relative to Jennifer. That's that's something
24:55
Speaker 1: that is unique to her that he is obviously recognized
24:58
Speaker 1: as her dad. Uh you know, and uh, you know,
25:02
Speaker 1: I'm sure over the years they've had discussions about it,
25:05
Speaker 1: as I have with my children. But it is a
25:08
Speaker 1: clue because it's something that's familiar, it's something that is expected,
25:12
Speaker 1: it's not out of the norm. Uh. And so yeah,
25:15
Speaker 1: that I think that that's that gives you the impression
25:18
Speaker 1: that you know the place was being lived in, that
25:20
Speaker 1: she had been there. Um and well, it gives me
25:23
Speaker 1: a timeline. It gives me a timeline. Joe Scott, you
25:26
Speaker 1: and I talked about that all the time. Shaan gird unconcluded,
25:30
Speaker 1: co producer podcast devoted to Jennifer Kessey, Sean, that tells
25:37
Speaker 1: me she got up that morning and confused and messy
25:41
Speaker 1: does not mean ransacked because the rest of the home,
25:43
Speaker 1: the condo, was not ransacked. That tells me that's my timeline.
25:47
Speaker 1: She got up as normal at whatever time that would be,
25:51
Speaker 1: she got in there, she got ready, and that's where
25:55
Speaker 1: that starts my timeline. Shawn Gard, Yeah, I think so.
25:59
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at it, that's the
26:00
Speaker 1: initial question. But you know, I think that it's one
26:03
Speaker 1: of the things with Jennifer's disappearance that a lot of
26:08
Speaker 1: people talk about, is is that initial timeline and when
26:12
Speaker 1: was she taken or when did she disappeared the morning
26:15
Speaker 1: or was it the night? And and they're all those
26:16
Speaker 1: little clues that at home, you know that the CouchSurfing
26:21
Speaker 1: sleuth tries to look at it is those things, you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: the bathroom was messy, so that probably means that she,
26:26
Speaker 1: you know, got up and used it in the morning.
26:28
Speaker 1: But you know, people let their minds wander and they
26:30
Speaker 1: start thinking about, well, maybe someone staged it that way,
26:33
Speaker 1: or someone was familiar so they could put it that way.
26:35
Speaker 1: And I think that you can go a million different ways.
26:38
Speaker 1: But if you kind of take things for the faith
26:41
Speaker 1: value and look at them and think about, Okay, this
26:44
Speaker 1: is what this is saying, I think I agree with you. Yeah,
26:47
Speaker 1: it would look like that she kind of did her
26:50
Speaker 1: normal routine that morning and after that point. Well there's
26:54
Speaker 1: another thing, Sean, Mr Cassie Drew Cassie, as I recall,
26:59
Speaker 1: the chef hour was still damp, and that would rule
27:04
Speaker 1: out her having left it messy the night before. And
27:08
Speaker 1: one other thing too, Nancy is I've never known Jennifer
27:11
Speaker 1: to take a shower at night ever ever period really
27:18
Speaker 1: does she does she take a bath or bath at
27:21
Speaker 1: night or just she takes bath in the morning, and
27:23
Speaker 1: that's it. Strictly strictly showers and strictly in the morning. Okay.
27:27
Speaker 1: See that's another thing that you when you know somebody,
27:30
Speaker 1: see my children are the reverse. They take a shower
27:34
Speaker 1: and a bath sadly a very long one every night,
27:39
Speaker 1: and it would be, you know, a stroke of a
27:42
Speaker 1: light that have to be one of the seven plagues
27:44
Speaker 1: before they take on in the morning before school. Okay,
27:48
Speaker 1: that's another thing that you know which means to me
27:51
Speaker 1: in my mind, just human nature. She had to have
27:54
Speaker 1: been in there that morning. So Mr Kessey, what else
27:57
Speaker 1: did you observe in the condo other than you think
28:00
Speaker 1: she got up on time and took her shower to
28:03
Speaker 1: go to work right. Um, she had, she had and
28:06
Speaker 1: she was known for this too. Even at home. She
28:09
Speaker 1: would take out outfits um of her liking for the
28:12
Speaker 1: next day and she would choose one of them to
28:15
Speaker 1: put on the following morning. And we did have a
28:18
Speaker 1: couple outfits sitting on her bed um when we went
28:22
Speaker 1: into her bedroom. So she did take out outfits to
28:27
Speaker 1: pick to pick one obviously she was wearing. Um. She
28:32
Speaker 1: did have her pepper spray which she always carried. It
28:35
Speaker 1: was sitting right on a counter inside her front door.
28:39
Speaker 1: And we truly believe that was left there because she
28:41
Speaker 1: could not take it to St. Croix with her, that
28:45
Speaker 1: they would have confiscated that getting on the plane. That's right,
28:50
Speaker 1: she was just getting back from a trip, a vacation trip,
28:54
Speaker 1: in her bags were still sitting there. I want to
28:56
Speaker 1: ask you a question about the clothing. So her clothing
29:00
Speaker 1: was still lying on her bed. You said she laid
29:02
Speaker 1: out her clothing at night. Would she have left it
29:05
Speaker 1: laying out on the bed? What joyce? I'm sorry, Well,
29:12
Speaker 1: she would have it. She laid it out in the morning, Okay,
29:16
Speaker 1: So that makes more sense to me. She would lay
29:19
Speaker 1: out several different outfits. And it's interesting because the outfit
29:24
Speaker 1: her color scheme of the day was tan and black,
29:28
Speaker 1: because those were the outfits that were laying on the bed. Interesting.
29:32
Speaker 1: So what I was thinking about, just so you know
29:35
Speaker 1: why I asked that obscure question, I thought, well, she
29:38
Speaker 1: laid it out at night. What did she sleep under
29:40
Speaker 1: the covers with the clothes on top? Because that didn't
29:44
Speaker 1: make sense to me because they she may kicked him
29:47
Speaker 1: off onto the floor during the night, and that made
29:50
Speaker 1: me think, well, does that affect the timeline? Did she
29:52
Speaker 1: lay him out the night before and that's when she
29:54
Speaker 1: got taken that That's why I asked. Now, that makes
29:58
Speaker 1: sense to me. So you find nothing else unusual within
30:03
Speaker 1: her condo and the management tells you her door was locked.
30:09
Speaker 1: All right, let me figure out Joyce. Cassie, do you
30:13
Speaker 1: agree with Drew's rendition so far? So then what happened
30:18
Speaker 1: to Joyce? Then? Um, my friends and family started arriving
30:24
Speaker 1: at Jen's condo and my brother immediately Um went to
30:32
Speaker 1: I think it was a Kinkos and took a picture
30:35
Speaker 1: of Jennifer and put it on. He created a flyer,
30:39
Speaker 1: so that at four thirty on the day that she
30:42
Speaker 1: didn't show up for work, we already had people standing
30:47
Speaker 1: on the street corners of the intersection that Jennifer would
30:52
Speaker 1: go through and come home from work, So we already
30:57
Speaker 1: had people passing out her flyers. The other interesting thing
31:04
Speaker 1: we blanketed her condo complex. Now it was the apartment
31:08
Speaker 1: to condo conversion, but we every car, every door, every
31:15
Speaker 1: mail box station, we take flyers. What I think is
31:20
Speaker 1: extremely noteworthy is the next morning, probably two thirds of
31:25
Speaker 1: the workers didn't show up. Now, we found out during
31:31
Speaker 1: the course of the investigation that the complex was knowingly
31:35
Speaker 1: letting workers and many of whom were illegal, stay in
31:41
Speaker 1: empty apartments that hadn't gone through the conversion yet. And
31:47
Speaker 1: I think that when we blanketed that complex with Flyers.
31:53
Speaker 1: I think that they bolted and that's why they didn't
31:58
Speaker 1: show up for work the next nor the subsequent days.
32:02
Speaker 1: There was only a small portion of the crew. I
32:05
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, Joyce, when you just said that,
32:10
Speaker 1: I got this horrible feeling in my chest, in my stomach.
32:15
Speaker 1: I just I've looked at this case so many times.
32:19
Speaker 1: I just believe very strongly that one of those workers
32:25
Speaker 1: is involved in her disappearance. It's not the boyfriend, it's
32:30
Speaker 1: not the boss, it's not the neighbor next door, it's
32:34
Speaker 1: it's so many things over the years, and from my
32:40
Speaker 1: initial investigation into Jennifer's disappearance, I really believe that. So
32:48
Speaker 1: let me just see if I can rule out who
32:51
Speaker 1: were potential potential persons of interest Joyce and my When
33:01
Speaker 1: this initially happened, I initially went to thinking that it
33:07
Speaker 1: was one of the workers. For a while I thought
33:10
Speaker 1: I could she have been human traffic. I go back
33:15
Speaker 1: and forth, but I still say that whatever happened occurred
33:23
Speaker 1: from by one of the works. Now, why why is that? Drew?
33:28
Speaker 1: What evidence with me? Drew and Joyce, Kesie, Jennifer's mom
33:33
Speaker 1: and dad, Sean gurd from the wildly popular Unconcluded podcast
33:40
Speaker 1: and renowned forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and author A
33:45
Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet drew what indicators do we have
33:50
Speaker 1: that it's not the boyfriend, it's not the boss, it's
33:54
Speaker 1: not the delivery pizza delivery guy, it's not the unit manager.
34:01
Speaker 1: Were they ruled out? If so, why well, they're not
34:05
Speaker 1: ruling out anyone right now, and I don't think we
34:07
Speaker 1: can rule out anyone right now. However, over the years,
34:11
Speaker 1: when you start digging into every single we probably have
34:15
Speaker 1: four or five people that we've put in situations where
34:19
Speaker 1: well could be and you take the time, um, personally
34:25
Speaker 1: as well as hopefully law enforcement, which I don't know
34:28
Speaker 1: what they do, um, but you hope that they take
34:31
Speaker 1: the time to truly go through each and every one
34:35
Speaker 1: of these people, and not only once. But when you
34:39
Speaker 1: look at the opportunity, I think you can pin it
34:44
Speaker 1: down to two or three people, and then you start
34:46
Speaker 1: breaking them apart and you look at more opportunity and realistically,
34:53
Speaker 1: in the end, the most opportunity that someone we believe
34:57
Speaker 1: I think had to take her would be construct option
35:00
Speaker 1: someone there there's too many of them. There's too many illegals,
35:04
Speaker 1: and there's too many, you know, Nancy, I think we
35:06
Speaker 1: know how trafficking works. Um. Sometimes when you get into
35:11
Speaker 1: this country, you have a bill to pay, and you
35:14
Speaker 1: have to pay more when you get to this country.
35:16
Speaker 1: And maybe it was just someone working there that said,
35:20
Speaker 1: there's what you want. She's right there, she's alone. She
35:24
Speaker 1: comes in this time, she goes out that time. There
35:27
Speaker 1: she is and that's all you need from a construction worker.
35:31
Speaker 1: Because I truly do believe that Jennifer was trafficked or
35:35
Speaker 1: attempted trafficking m because of absolutely she's banished. And when
35:42
Speaker 1: you put million dollar rewards out several times, half million,
35:45
Speaker 1: quarter million, hundred thousand, whatever, and nothing comes out of
35:49
Speaker 1: that area. Nothing. It's people. People didn't know the person
35:53
Speaker 1: who came in and did the job and did the
35:55
Speaker 1: work that was needed. So but I do believe that
35:59
Speaker 1: it was someone on that campus, on on her home
36:02
Speaker 1: premises that said, there's the one you want. Now, why
36:07
Speaker 1: is it? Joyce? Do you agree with that theory? You
36:13
Speaker 1: know on any given day, I do, because how we
36:22
Speaker 1: know that aliens didn't at the abduct John Jennifer. So
36:28
Speaker 1: I I don't I agree with Drew on some days
36:33
Speaker 1: that that's what happened, and on other days when my
36:38
Speaker 1: mind goes to the really dark, dark places, I think
36:42
Speaker 1: that it was just some construction workers that, for whatever reason,
36:51
Speaker 1: decided that Jennifer should be taken. And it defies my
36:59
Speaker 1: logic because if she was murdered, wouldn't we have found
37:07
Speaker 1: her by now, wouldn't we have found some clothes? I mean,
37:11
Speaker 1: other than the car being found two days after she
37:15
Speaker 1: was subducted, nothing of hers has been found or used.
37:22
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the car. The vehicle.
37:26
Speaker 1: To Sean gur joining me from podcast unconcluded, Sean, tell
37:31
Speaker 1: me about the discovery of Jennifer's vehicle. Yeah, so, I mean,
37:35
Speaker 1: like Joyce said, it was a couple of days after
37:37
Speaker 1: her disappearance and just about a mile down the road
37:41
Speaker 1: at Miss Huntington's the green her car was sound, and
37:44
Speaker 1: it was on video. There was a grainy video, and
37:49
Speaker 1: I think the police probably were thinking they got lucky
37:52
Speaker 1: because of that video. But as I'm sure you're aware
37:55
Speaker 1: that the video and of being really not very helpful
38:00
Speaker 1: because there's a bar in front of this person's case
38:03
Speaker 1: in every frame of the video, and then the video
38:05
Speaker 1: is kind of every every half second or every second
38:09
Speaker 1: eclips like stoages combined together instead of a fluid video. Um,
38:13
Speaker 1: but just Joyce, you have told me this before. Just
38:17
Speaker 1: I mean, the most incredibly lucky criminal of time to
38:23
Speaker 1: walk through that video for thirty seconds and not one
38:27
Speaker 1: single shot of their face and and I'm necessarily lucky
38:32
Speaker 1: for them and just incredibly unfortunate forever. Just to recap
38:37
Speaker 1: on who Jennifer is. She graduated Vivian Gaither High School, Tampa, Florida.
38:43
Speaker 1: She attended University Central Florida in Orlando. She graduated with
38:47
Speaker 1: great grades with a degree in finance. She became a
38:52
Speaker 1: member of a very exclusive sorority, in fact, the first
38:56
Speaker 1: sorority ever founded on US soil, a d Pie Alpha
39:00
Speaker 1: Delta Pi sorority. In fact, her sorority has led many
39:04
Speaker 1: many volunteer searches to try to find Jennifer now. Um.
39:09
Speaker 1: She had recently bought the condo and she was working
39:12
Speaker 1: at an investment time share company. She was a finance manager.
39:16
Speaker 1: She had been on vacation in St. Croix. She got
39:19
Speaker 1: back safely. After she got back, she drove straight to
39:25
Speaker 1: her home and while she went first to her boyfriend's home,
39:31
Speaker 1: and then she came home to her condo that very
39:33
Speaker 1: same day. Now, let's figure this out. She was last
39:41
Speaker 1: seen the evening of six pm, leaving her place of employment. Okay,
39:48
Speaker 1: she made several calls to family and friends, the rat
39:51
Speaker 1: last round ten pm to her boyfriend. She would always
39:55
Speaker 1: call our text her boyfriend every morning on her way
39:59
Speaker 1: to work. Okay, she did not that morning. We know that,
40:04
Speaker 1: and that dovetails with everything Drew and Joyce Kessie are
40:08
Speaker 1: telling us. Drew says she always picked up the phone
40:12
Speaker 1: when family called. She did not pick up the phone
40:15
Speaker 1: that morning. Her parents get there. It's a two hour
40:19
Speaker 1: drive through hell for the parents. They get there, they
40:23
Speaker 1: drop everything and go. They immediately noticed her car is gone.
40:28
Speaker 1: But they get inside they see nothings out of the ordinary.
40:31
Speaker 1: And there was even a wet towel in the bathroom.
40:35
Speaker 1: From the bathroom, clothes laid out. The flyers go out everywhere.
40:41
Speaker 1: There was a massive search. I remember joining the investigation
40:46
Speaker 1: and publicizing Jennifer's disappearance over and over and over. There
40:52
Speaker 1: were horses, there were boats, there were a TVs, there
40:55
Speaker 1: were helicopters, volunteer search, professional searches, you name it, right,
41:02
Speaker 1: now is still do not know where is Jennifer the car?
41:07
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Let's talk about her vehicle where it
41:11
Speaker 1: turned up? Why what does that mean to us? Why
41:15
Speaker 1: are you and Joe Scott? Yeah, the car is significant
41:18
Speaker 1: in the fact that it was someone had access to
41:21
Speaker 1: the keys. I'd like to ask Drew and Joyce, was this, uh,
41:26
Speaker 1: this this car that that she had? First off, what
41:30
Speaker 1: type of car was it? Chevy Malibu? Chevy Malibu? Okay?
41:36
Speaker 1: What happened to the car after it was discovered relative
41:40
Speaker 1: to your family and the police. The police actually came
41:46
Speaker 1: to the condo. We were all there, including Jennifer's boyfriend,
41:50
Speaker 1: and they said, Rob Allen, who is Jennifer's boyfriend? You're
41:54
Speaker 1: coming with us. We're going over to the car. Okay,
41:57
Speaker 1: hass easy to stay here. They wanted they wanted to
41:59
Speaker 1: see when they opened the trunk if Jennifer was going
42:03
Speaker 1: to be there. In his reaction obviously when they got there, Um,
42:08
Speaker 1: they did ask him was anything unusual within the car
42:12
Speaker 1: from what he would see, and he did notice that
42:15
Speaker 1: the driver's seat was farther back than what Jennifer would
42:19
Speaker 1: have used and in a different position. Outside of that,
42:22
Speaker 1: he didn't see anything different. Well, we know that her
42:26
Speaker 1: car was seen on the knees. People see the car
42:28
Speaker 1: on the news as a Chevy Malibu, and a person
42:31
Speaker 1: living at a nearby apartment complex called the police and
42:34
Speaker 1: said they think they see the car outside their apartment
42:38
Speaker 1: has been there for several days. Cops get there, it's
42:42
Speaker 1: Jennifer's car, it's photographed, it's hall to the crime lab.
42:48
Speaker 1: I personally believe that they processed it correctly. Police get
42:53
Speaker 1: all the video surveillance they can, and they see an
42:58
Speaker 1: unidentified person and parking it, walking away. And this is important.
43:05
Speaker 1: The person never looked back. Why is that important because
43:08
Speaker 1: we never saw the face. But I believe it as
43:12
Speaker 1: an adult male. Now let me go to Joyce. Cassie,
43:17
Speaker 1: what do you I'm sure you've seen the video over
43:20
Speaker 1: and over and over, and shawnger was right, there's an
43:23
Speaker 1: obstruction to the video. You can't get a very brief glance.
43:28
Speaker 1: What do you make of that video? Joyce? What do
43:31
Speaker 1: you believe you see? You know, I just kind of
43:34
Speaker 1: got a little deja vu of um the first time
43:38
Speaker 1: that the police showed us the still photos, and my
43:43
Speaker 1: initial reaction was it looks like a teenager. Because the
43:49
Speaker 1: arms and feet were long, they looked disproportionate to the
43:54
Speaker 1: rest of the body. And I remember that with my
43:59
Speaker 1: immediate reaction, and I guess it's you know, I've been
44:02
Speaker 1: a nurse for forty years. I don't know if that's
44:06
Speaker 1: why I zeroed in on that or what. But um,
44:10
Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts, do I think that the
44:13
Speaker 1: person who parked her car is the one who um
44:19
Speaker 1: harmed Jennifer. I don't know. I don't know. There's a
44:25
Speaker 1: part of me that feels that that person was just
44:29
Speaker 1: never having looked back over their shoulder. I can't help
44:35
Speaker 1: but think that that person may have been paid to
44:38
Speaker 1: park the car. I'm looking at the person right now,
44:41
Speaker 1: and all you can see, believe me, guys, is saying
44:45
Speaker 1: that the guy's face it it's a guy is obstructed.
44:51
Speaker 1: He parks the car, and he's walking along behind a
44:54
Speaker 1: black wrought iron fence, the type you would see around
44:57
Speaker 1: a kind of community to make sure people didn't trespass us.
45:01
Speaker 1: And the few seconds he's happening, he happens to walk
45:06
Speaker 1: by where those the actual gate, and so his face
45:11
Speaker 1: is kind of obscured by all the black metal. What
45:15
Speaker 1: do you call those poles from yes, the poles, the poles,
45:19
Speaker 1: the spindles. You can't All I can see are his legs,
45:23
Speaker 1: his arms, and a tiny bit of the side of
45:27
Speaker 1: his head. That that's it. Even I, who desperately want
45:30
Speaker 1: to make out who it is, I can't tell. His
45:33
Speaker 1: face is obscured by the the fencing. Um. And it
45:38
Speaker 1: was taking a photo every three seconds. So Drew Cassey,
45:44
Speaker 1: when you learned that you've the car has been found
45:48
Speaker 1: and that there is video surveillance, I know your heart
45:51
Speaker 1: leapt than what happened. Um. We were shown, obviously the
45:56
Speaker 1: pictures by the police and they asked us, does this
45:59
Speaker 1: look familiar to any you know, to any of you?
46:02
Speaker 1: Was like, no, not a clue. Um, then are our
46:06
Speaker 1: detectives at that time? Uh? First said that, Well, we
46:11
Speaker 1: said let's put this out. I mean, somebody's got into
46:13
Speaker 1: this person. Let's let's find them. And our detectives first
46:16
Speaker 1: detectives said, there's no way anybody's going to see this film, Like,
46:20
Speaker 1: what do you mean? It's like, nope, nobody's seeing this
46:24
Speaker 1: film because when we catch the person, and that's how
46:26
Speaker 1: we're going to catch them. And after I think it
46:29
Speaker 1: was a week er what have you with no leads?
46:32
Speaker 1: And we're twelve and a half years later and we're like,
46:34
Speaker 1: no leads. They finally changed UM Detectives and the new
46:41
Speaker 1: detective said, we're going to put this out and they
46:43
Speaker 1: did and it's still a mystery from that From that day,
46:47
Speaker 1: we've NASA has enhanced that film. The film that you
46:52
Speaker 1: see is the enhanced film from NASA UM and also
46:56
Speaker 1: I believe Target of Walmart, they're they're missing person department
47:00
Speaker 1: got to the film too, and that's the best we
47:03
Speaker 1: can do. To this day, we've tried to improve that
47:06
Speaker 1: film and it's just no such thing as improving that film.
47:10
Speaker 1: What we have is the best we're going have. They
47:12
Speaker 1: tried to get an estimate drew regarding the height and
47:16
Speaker 1: the weight that the person based on the what's around them,
47:20
Speaker 1: like a tree or offense post. Yeah, FBI came out
47:24
Speaker 1: and did and did a lot of tests on that
47:26
Speaker 1: as well as the police, and they came up with
47:29
Speaker 1: the person between five ft three and five ft six.
47:33
Speaker 1: Since then, Orlando police have gone back out and did
47:37
Speaker 1: their own and what have you, and honestly, we have
47:40
Speaker 1: to throw that height out. It has been a discrepancy
47:46
Speaker 1: since it's been done, so we have to take that
47:49
Speaker 1: three five ft three to five ft sa. We just
47:51
Speaker 1: got to take that out of our minds and we
47:54
Speaker 1: just have to say, that's the person we really don't know,
47:59
Speaker 1: and that's h We also know that valuables were found
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Speaker 1: inside her black Chevy Malibu, and that suggests the robbery
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Speaker 1: was not a motive. We also know the vehicle was
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Speaker 1: parked that day around noon. The same day Jennifer goes missing.
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Speaker 1: A search dog track descent from the car back to
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's apartment complex, right or wrong. That leads police to
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Speaker 1: think the suspect went back to Jennifer's apartment parking lot
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Speaker 1: after leaving the car. Investigators also think the car had
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Speaker 1: been wiped down. Who would think to do that? Items
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Speaker 1: known missing her iPod, her purse, her briefcase, her keys,
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Speaker 1: her cell phone, and the outfit that she was wearing.
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Speaker 1: In fact, investigators could not paying her cell phone as
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Speaker 1: it remained off, and her banking account was never used.
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Speaker 1: So what does that tell us? Joyce Cassie tells me
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Speaker 1: that Jennifer was the object, perhaps of someone's desire. Because see,
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Speaker 1: things don't disappear. People don't disappear and it's just so painful,
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Speaker 1: so raw to think that all of these years later,
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Speaker 1: we still don't know what happened. Let me ask you this, Joyce,
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Speaker 1: do you believe that Jennifer is alive somewhere today? I
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Speaker 1: have to believe that, Nancy. I have a lot of hope.
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Speaker 1: I have more hope than I have fear. But if
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Speaker 1: I didn't have hope, I don't think that I would
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Speaker 1: be functional. So I hope. I'm not a stupid person.
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Speaker 1: I understand that statistically the chances of Jennifer being found
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Speaker 1: alive are slim, But I'm going to say to you,
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Speaker 1: one mother to another, miracles happened, Nancy. Who is to
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Speaker 1: say that Jennifer is not going to be the next
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Speaker 1: miracle who's found? J c. Dugard. It was nineteen years
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Speaker 1: and she was found. You had those three girls in
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Speaker 1: Ohio fourteen years. So I I oftentimes think to myself,
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Speaker 1: what kind of mother would I be if I were
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Speaker 1: to just go on with thinking that Jennifer has been murdered?
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Speaker 1: And then how would I feel if it turns out
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Speaker 1: that she's a lucky miracle and its found a life.
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Speaker 1: So I prefer, Joyce, miracles do happen They happen every
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Speaker 1: single day, and I want that miracle in Jennifer's case.
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Speaker 1: The tip line to help us find Jennifer is four
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Speaker 1: zero seven two four six three nine to repeat four
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Speaker 1: zero seven two four six three nine eight two. Please
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Speaker 1: speak with Detective Teresa Sprague. Miracles happen and we are
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Speaker 1: asking for a miracle today. If you have any information,
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Speaker 1: please dial four zero seven two four six three nine two.
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