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Why would a man do this? | Maintaining Frame 134 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, welcome to Honeybatch Radio. I know
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  Speaker 1: we went live because I started playing the video and
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  Speaker 1: this is I'm a Miname is Brian. I'm here with Alison,
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  Speaker 1: and this is maintaining frame number. What number are we on?
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  Speaker 1: Two hundred one and thirty four and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be it's called why would a Man Do This? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna be discussing the reaction to the reaction
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  Speaker 1: to a really you know, sad and unfortunate crime and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, incident. But we I thought, well, Alison suggests
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  Speaker 1: we play this video first.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so we just basically started accidentally.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I accidentally started because I opened the link and
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  Speaker 1: it started playing the video and I had the automatic scenes,
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  Speaker 1: which are set up to start to switch to this
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  Speaker 1: scene when a video.
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  Speaker 2: Is all right, depress and okay, all right, So we
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  Speaker 2: are going to be covering a case, a murder suicide,
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  Speaker 2: a recent murder suicide. And I'm not really good at
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  Speaker 2: the name, so I'll let Brian fill in those. But
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  Speaker 2: what we're going to be recovering is the risk recovering
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  Speaker 2: recovering covering is the response to it online and the
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  Speaker 2: response to the response. So men had an opinion on it.
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  Speaker 2: Women had an opinion, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, well, everybody had an opinion on it, but men's
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  Speaker 1: opinion on it, in some cases cause a absolute firestorm
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  Speaker 1: of opinions responding to those opinions. And obviously they were
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  Speaker 1: about a specific what is claimed to be a specific
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  Speaker 1: group of men, the manisphere or the red pill whatever,
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  Speaker 1: which I guess includes us because we get lumped in
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  Speaker 1: with them all the time, and we're going to try
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  Speaker 1: to parse through it and essentially get all of the
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  Speaker 1: emotional baggage out of there and try to look at
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  Speaker 1: this objectively, which of course is misogyny.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: You know that, right, Like, if I said let's look
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  Speaker 1: at this objectively, obviously that means I hate women.
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  Speaker 4: That's code or I hate women.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But there was a few things that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about before we go into it. I
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  Speaker 2: think Bill Burr sort of sets the tone with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the men's responses. I think they were misinterpreted
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  Speaker 2: by the women. And of course there were some men
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  Speaker 2: who responded to this murder suicide and said something like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: finally women get what they deserve right for their behavior. Now, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there is going to be that kind of a response.
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  Speaker 2: I do not think it's exclusive to men. I think
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  Speaker 2: that women do it too, and in particular because feminists
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  Speaker 2: speak for all women, that's what they say they do,
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  Speaker 2: and they are synonymous with women. Feminists have an entire
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  Speaker 2: branch of scholarship that consists entirely of he deserved it. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: they go to men or the women who are charged
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  Speaker 2: or have confessed to abusing men, and they say, well,
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  Speaker 2: why did you do it? And then they take those
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  Speaker 2: answers and they say, this is why men, our women
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  Speaker 2: abuse men. It's because they incite it, they provoke it,
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  Speaker 2: all right. So, on the one hand, we have some
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  Speaker 2: men on Twitter saying she deserved it. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: we have an entirely legitimate branch of scholarship that proclaims
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  Speaker 2: that men deserve domestic violence up to and including being murdered. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want to put that out there that
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  Speaker 2: this is a problem. If this is a problem, and
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  Speaker 2: it probably is, this kind of victim blaming is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It is not a problem exclusive to men, and in fact,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to rank the severity of the problem,
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  Speaker 2: it is more severe among women. If we allow that
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  Speaker 2: feminist speak for women because not only do feminists say
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  Speaker 2: that men deserve it, Like I said, an entire branch
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  Speaker 2: of scholarship that amounts to if a woman, an abusive woman,
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  Speaker 2: says that he provoked her, you take her at her
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  Speaker 2: word and he is actually the abusive party. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: we have an entire branch of scholarship that asserts that
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  Speaker 2: it has existed for something like forty years, fifty years
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  Speaker 2: ever since we realized that domestic violence is more symmetrical
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  Speaker 2: than anybody wants to admit. Immediately, feminists wanted to excuse
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  Speaker 2: the violence done by women to men, and they constructed
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of surveys, all kinds of distorted samples in
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  Speaker 2: order to do so, in order to justify the violence
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  Speaker 2: that women do to men. So, if we're going to
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  Speaker 2: rank the problem, we have, on the one hand, some
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  Speaker 2: men on Twitter saying she deserves it. On on the
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  Speaker 2: other hand, we have a tenured professors, an institutional narrative,
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  Speaker 2: an entire branch of scholarship in the domestic violence and
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  Speaker 2: social services sphere, a government funded campaign. So I think
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  Speaker 2: the severity of these issues not really comparable, but yes,
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  Speaker 2: they are a problem for both. Just the scope of
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  Speaker 2: the problem is like comparing a pee to the moon. Like,
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  Speaker 2: al right, so let's get into it.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, let's watch this. Yeah, watched the video first.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it play for a minute and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll go into this just to set the tone or
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  Speaker 1: at least have like, you know, make it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit lighter. So I'm gonna play it now.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what the matter she ever goten me was?
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  Speaker 2: One time she was watching this show, was like a
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  Speaker 2: poor excuse for the view and they started talking about
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence, right for.
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  Speaker 5: The nine million time this year, they're talking about domestic violence?
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  Speaker 6: How do you not know not to do that? Do
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  Speaker 6: they really have to keep talking about it?
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  Speaker 1: So at the end of the hour, they come to
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  Speaker 1: the logical conclusion like there is no reason to hit
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  Speaker 1: a woman. There is no reason to hit a woman.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just like, really, I could give you
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  Speaker 1: like seventeen right off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: You can wake me from a drunken stone.
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  Speaker 6: For I could still give you like nine.
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  Speaker 2: So there's plenty of reasons to hit a woman, you
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  Speaker 2: just don't do it. But to sit there and suggest
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  Speaker 2: that there's no reason, through.
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  Speaker 1: The level of ego behind that statement pretty levitating above
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  Speaker 1: the rest of us. You're never annoying woitmen, How many
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  Speaker 1: times have you thought about slapping your your fucking guy
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  Speaker 1: in the head this week?
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Every day.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't do it right? Well, she probably did, actually.
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  Speaker 1: That's why she said, That's why she felt so bold emboldened.
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  Speaker 2: But this is this is what I wanted to get at.
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  Speaker 2: I think there might be some men who just flat
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  Speaker 2: out say she deserved it. I think that when I
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  Speaker 2: was looking at it, the majority were saying, this is
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  Speaker 2: what is provoking about what she did. Yeah, there was
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  Speaker 2: a reason, there's no there's.
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  Speaker 1: No Well, we should tell people what the story is
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  Speaker 1: because again, but that's the thing that I told you
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  Speaker 1: about where you like you immediately start counter arguing and argument.
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  Speaker 4: No one's heard yet.
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  Speaker 1: So let's see this. Okay, First, I'm gonna give you
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  Speaker 1: the story. Then we're gonna look at some videos where
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  Speaker 1: people were responding to the response. And yeah, the responses
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  Speaker 1: are obviously cherry picked, but TikToker. Jennifer Sheffield said she
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  Speaker 1: felt incredible about ex husband before apparent murder suicide.
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  Speaker 4: So you may have heard of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Of Jennifer and Brandon Sheffield because Jennifer Sheffield put out
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  Speaker 1: a TikTok post saying that she's getting a divorce and
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  Speaker 1: that her husband's been really really cool about it, really incredible.
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  Speaker 4: He's helping her out.
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  Speaker 1: I think the video this is the video, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you can listen to it, but it is
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  Speaker 1: in the video responses And this was just I think
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  Speaker 1: like a week or something before she and her husband
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  Speaker 1: were both found dead. Assumed that he killed her and
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  Speaker 1: then himself. He may have killed her kids too, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. Let's see now it was I think
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  Speaker 1: it was just her and himself, right, Yeah, of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, we're splitting everything down in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is good, she said of a relationship with her
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  Speaker 1: restranged husband, Brandon forty. At the time, it is a
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  Speaker 1: very civil divorce with our daughter in mind. Jennifer confessed
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  Speaker 1: that since she was going to be a mom with
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  Speaker 1: a single income, she was reaching out to her network
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  Speaker 1: for tips on keeping costs down.
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  Speaker 4: She noted that Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: Will be helping with the fees associated with her daughter
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  Speaker 1: once the divorce was finalized. He will be supporting her,
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  Speaker 1: so essentially, like I'm really thankful for that and that
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  Speaker 1: I will not have to worry so much about supporting her,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer continued, and so yes, the positive message there amid
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  Speaker 1: their divorce was shared eighteen days before Jennifer and Brandon
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  Speaker 1: were found dead on December twenty twenty four in Brandon, Mississippi,
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  Speaker 1: around seven nineteen am local time. Brandon Police Department Chief
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  Speaker 1: Joseph French confirmed their debts to dark Horse Press Now
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  Speaker 1: that same day, authorities arrived on scene after receiving a
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  Speaker 1: welfare check call from Jennifer's family, who reported signs of
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  Speaker 1: foul play. So it appears, according to the police chief,
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  Speaker 1: that Brandon Sheffield shot his wife Jennifer Sheffield, then shot himself,
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  Speaker 1: before adding that the authorities were working with the theory
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  Speaker 1: that their deaths were the result of an apparent murder suicide.
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  Speaker 1: It is an ongoing investigation, so this is possibly gonna change,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what it looks like right now. Still, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna look at I don't want to comment on this
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  Speaker 1: just yet, but we're gonna it is. It is a tragedy, okay,
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  Speaker 1: But this started a conversation as these things are ought
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  Speaker 1: to do online about you know, all kinds of things. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: feminist women and feminist men and probably like all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of people were saying that this man a monster and
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  Speaker 1: all of that and that and and that is monstrous behavior.
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  Speaker 4: If I was gonna talk about the behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, but what also there were people who were like
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  Speaker 1: trying to understand what happened. So they had this idea
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  Speaker 1: that let's let's try to explain this. Let's try to
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  Speaker 1: see you, now, why would a man act this way?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think that what was what was emerging was
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  Speaker 1: this sentiment that this is simply men's default settings, that
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  Speaker 1: this is just what men do. And there were men
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  Speaker 1: going no, no, no, that that that that's not quite right.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, what we have for our video with these requests.
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  Speaker 2: By yeah, these were requests. Yeah, there were requests.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, so we got we got uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: our friend had a Cox who obviously has something to
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  Speaker 1: say about this, and we also have a video from
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  Speaker 1: amala O Kinobe Echinobe Equanobi. Yeah. Anyway, she's all, she's
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  Speaker 1: all right, but the on this when I think that
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  Speaker 1: she is off the mark. But so I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you want to do the thing. Before we get
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  Speaker 1: into Hannah Cox's thoughts on men's thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 2: so I did. Did you guys?
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 4: I see you wearing a hat, so I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, I guess the hair looks like it's part
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  Speaker 1: Now, Oh oh, I see, I see.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I thought those were headphones.
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  Speaker 1: Of I thought they were because I can't like I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at like a small version of the Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What pretty pixelated, so you're like, oh, you're just wearing
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  Speaker 2: some headphones. Yeah, but I did do something with my hair.
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  Speaker 2: I made them appear to be like cinnamon butter.
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  Speaker 1: You ever see Spaceballs? You ever see Spaceballs? The parody
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  Speaker 1: on and then she takes moth that like headphones anyway. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so I did get a rumble rant right
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Let me open up the discord server too,
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  Speaker 1: so I can get the superhows if they come through.
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  Speaker 1: So normally I don't have this tab open, so you
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  Speaker 1: got to open it really quick. Nova Fan twenty one
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  Speaker 1: gave us all and says the feminist claiming women cannot
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  Speaker 1: be abusers because my power dynamics and patriarchy are giving
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  Speaker 1: fuel to men to make the Handmaid's Tale real. Remind
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  Speaker 1: me why I'm supposed to feel bad for women again.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there's a lot of chitter
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  Speaker 1: chatter around that, but it's just it's just talk like
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  Speaker 1: that's I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen. There's too many. Firstly,
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  Speaker 1: women would have to vote for it. Secondly, men would also,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, overwhelming majorities have to come out and
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  Speaker 1: support of that as well. So I think to even
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  Speaker 1: I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that that's even close to a likelihood of happening.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even like on the it's not even in
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  Speaker 4: the cards.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it, I mean, but thank you for
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  Speaker 1: the rumble rant regardless. Let me see. So no super
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  Speaker 1: child's yet, but I am ready to receive them when
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  Speaker 1: you guys are. So we're gonna get into Hanna Cocks
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  Speaker 1: now and her videos called red pill men are justifying
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  Speaker 1: her murder, so they just you know where she's coming
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  Speaker 1: What are what is the tone that's being set here?
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  Speaker 1: And she and I already told the story of of
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Sheffield and what happened, So let's find out about
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  Speaker 1: the misogyny that obviously must follow. And remember, guys, in
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  Speaker 1: case you don't, Hannah Cox is the libertarian feminist.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so there were problems behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: We uh turn off no auto the auto switcher, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she's I think that they're wondering about that.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go back a little bit more for context.
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  Speaker 3: Way, there was a pretty decent age gap between them,
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  Speaker 3: and it does seem that clearly there were problems behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes in their marriage.
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  Speaker 6: What is worth notating and perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: So base based on the fact that there was a
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  Speaker 1: murder suicide.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's just you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Like I've actually looked at the
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  Speaker 2: at the articles, nobody said anything about domestic violence or
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  Speaker 2: suspected it. And at this point in time, this is
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that I actually called out somebody
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter and I said, well, do you ever think
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  Speaker 2: that abused women kill their their abusers? And she said yes,
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  Speaker 2: So I said, the fact that she was the one
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  Speaker 2: who was killed does not mean that he was the abuser.
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  Speaker 2: If you allow that abuse victims can end up killing
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  Speaker 2: their abusers. We don't She's right, we don't know what
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  Speaker 2: happened behind closed doors in their relationship. But if you
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  Speaker 2: are going to say that abusive women some are sorry,
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  Speaker 2: abused women sometimes kill their abusers, and that killing the
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  Speaker 2: person who kills the spouse isn't automatically the one who's abusive.
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  Speaker 2: They could be engaging in some form of retaliative or
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  Speaker 2: some kind of violence. Often this these things, think these
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  Speaker 2: things happen, and it's there is no apparent self defense
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  Speaker 2: or immediate self defense involved, And yet feminists will still
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  Speaker 2: assert that the woman was defending herself, you know, by
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  Speaker 2: throwing boiling water on her sleeping husband. But but you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna assert that, then just the fact that
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  Speaker 2: someone is dead does not mean that the person who
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  Speaker 2: killed them is the abuser, like unless you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to adcure to equality, which you know, well, again.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we should be assuming anything, like, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know, so it's best to just leave it at that.
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  Speaker 1: But they're just gonna say there were problems behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 1: and well we should we should listen more, because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're yeah, let's listen more.
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  Speaker 4: Of what she's claiming.
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  Speaker 3: Makes us even scarier is that the friends who have
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  Speaker 3: come forth so far have said that there had been
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  Speaker 3: no signs as far as they knew, of violence before
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  Speaker 3: this happened in their marriage, and clearly, based on the
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  Speaker 3: TikTok video that she made shortly before this happened, she
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  Speaker 3: seemed to think that they were on good terms, that
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  Speaker 3: their divorce was going to be amicable, that they were
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  Speaker 3: going to be co parenting, that.
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  Speaker 6: They had a healthy situation worked out.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I have unfortunately lost a friend in very similar
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  Speaker 3: circumstances to this, who had been abused by her husband
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  Speaker 3: prior to her death, unlike the circumstance that was known
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  Speaker 3: to literally everybody around my friend before her death. But
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  Speaker 3: what I will say is that many people are not
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  Speaker 3: always privy. A lot of people are very private about
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  Speaker 3: these things when they and.
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  Speaker 2: An automatic assumption is that he was the abuser. Right here,
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  Speaker 2: the automatic assumption. And yet if this was a woman
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  Speaker 2: killing a man, I mean, look at Courtney Clenny, who
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  Speaker 2: is this is a case that Hanna Cox will probably
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  Speaker 2: never cover. There's plenty of people are like, well, he
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  Speaker 2: was abusing her, That's why she had to engage in
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  Speaker 2: self defense. I believe her defense attorney argued that. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, if you are going to allow that
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  Speaker 2: abuse victims sometimes kill their abuser. You can't look at
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  Speaker 2: the situation and say, well, who who is the abuser
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  Speaker 2: unless you're just basically defaulting on the man being the abuser.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, Well, and that's that's why there is a
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  Speaker 1: reaction from men online because they're you know, they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're jumping to conclusions here, so let's
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, but let's listen to some more because she's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: gonna get into the mistagny.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes women have been conditioned to try to keep the peace,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: to try to keep up appearances, and even are afraid
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of their partners, and so we'll try.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I guess every woman in my family must have missed
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that memo.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're already getting the feminist line, like, oh, well,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: here's the thing about women, and when and when you
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: hear words like most usually you know, often those are
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: equivocations they're using like these, like these buzzwords that are
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: very like give them a lot applause deniability so that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they can make a broad claim while simultaneously claiming it's nuanced.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So just when Hannah Cox says a lot of the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: time that she doesn't know what she's talking about, like
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of time, doesn't mean anything.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It's not data. So anyway, go ahead.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: All right, So a relationship conflicts stress men more than women.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: So despite women being the peacekeepers, they're not doing a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: very good job of it because on average, relationships conflicts
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: end up stressing men more than women. I can send
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: this to you if you want to look at it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It might be worth it because this helps to bunk
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: her nonsense. So study, part of a national larger National
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Institute of Mental Health funded investigation, involved one hundred and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: twenty four couples between the ages of eighteen and twenty
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: one who had been together for at least two months.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Of course, so this is this is a limited scope,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: but it's evidence of something. Powers in her team assessed
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: participants self report to avoidance of intimacy and dependence on
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the romantic partner, and anxiety about rejection and abandonment. Secure
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: types had low levels. Okay, all right, that's not the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Researchers found that although both men and women have a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: physiological response to relationship conflict, the response is much more
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: pronounced in men than in women and involves different attachment factors.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Anxiety was a strong predictor for for a response in men,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: but in women only. Highly avoidant types showed significant cartisol changes.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Men and women may face different demands in the conflict
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: negotiation task. Powers explains, in a relationship, women are often
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: expected to initiate and guide conflict discussions. For avoidant women
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: who preferred to distance themselves, and so they talk about
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: avoidant Men, on the other hand, are often expected to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: be more passive participants. So Power summarises that although they
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: may want to resolve issues, anxious men feel particularly uncomfortable
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: acutely confronting relationship conflicts. All right, However, the men in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the study who had secure female partners showed the lowest
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: levels of cortisol reactivity, indicating that their partners were helping
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to regulate their physiological stress levels. Uh, the converse was
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: true for women. Their partner's attachment style did not have
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a regulating effect on their stress levels. All right, So
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can I can I just make a translate this? Sure,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: if your woman was abusive, you became stressful during relationship conflicts,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: more stressful, more stress than ment. So when she's saying that,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: what was she saying that women are peacekeepers? Well, if
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: they're peacekeepers, then they're equally war makers in conflicts. Mm hmm.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: If they if they're peacekeepers is because they choose to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: be so, because they can equally be thugs in a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: relationship conflict because the men are vulner You don't have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a stress response unless you're in a vulnerable situation. So
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: what this study has found. This is this is this
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: is it. This is actual information. It isn't just Hanna
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Cocks going I feel my anecdotes give me the tingles
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in this particular direction. This is actually something that's been studied.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Men feel more stress. That means they're more vulnerable in
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a relationship conflict, right, And what happens to stressed animals
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: when they're cornered. And what's interesting is that despite the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: murder suicides getting all the headlines because they fall in
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: line with our attitudes towards men, there are twenty men,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: twenty men you could probably find their names, who have
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: killed themselves in the same circumstance that this man was
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: going through, but they are never heard from. They are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: completely ignored. And said, we focus on this, And I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: actually made a tweet and said that if we recognize
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the men who kill themselves in these circumstances, we would
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: probably we were able to help them. We would probably
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: be also preventing the murder suicides. But because we don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: care about men getting to this point of desperation, we
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: don't care about helping them with it, what ends up happening.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: We get twenty dead men, twenty one dead men, one
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: dead woman, and everything is about preventing the dead woman. Well,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you're not going to prevent the dead woman until you
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: prevent the dead men, period. And I don't know how
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: what the scale has to be. Does it have to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: be a thousand dead men and one dead woman and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: then you start to care? Does it have to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: three thousand and fifty thousand half a billion dead men
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to one dead woman? And then you start caring? At
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: what point do you start caring? All right?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: All right, I got a super chow that I should
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: read out from Dane. Thank you. Dane gives us five
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: dollars and says, my mother is on life support and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: her ending is near. My friend lost his dad a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: few years ago, and recently this Christmas he talked about
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: how he's forgetting what his dad sounded like. So I
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: suggest everyone get audio or video of your loved ones
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: telling you that they love you, so you never forget
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: what they sound like and you can always hear and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: see them say mom, dad, sibling, etcetera. I love you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in certain name. I have videos and audios of my
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: mom telling me she loves me. I've been listening to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: them throughout my day. They help with the hurt. Sorry
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for the off topic comment, but I felt like I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: should share this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you, thank you Dane for that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It's probably good advice and I'm sorry that your mom's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: going through that, but hopefully you guys will pull through.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: So all right, thank you so much.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So let's go back to Hannah Cox, because she's going
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to get to the good.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Part, I guess so.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: To prevent incurring more of their wrath.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: So I don't know where Jennifer was coming from when
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: she made this TikTok video. If she was genuine and
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: really truly believed that that was the state of her
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: marriage and pinning divorce, or if she was doing it
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to try to hopefully make sure that things went the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: way she needed them to.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Go. Oh, there's a lot more ores there, uh, Hannah Cox.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Or she was gloating, or she was a narcissist and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: she's basically like, well, I'm destroying his life but it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: not inconvenience me me, so go me.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny how a woman can make a TikTok video,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and because she appears to be really wholesome and cheerful
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the video that we're just we're just supposed to
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: assume that anything that happens to her could not possibly
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: be her fault. Like the bias is coming right out right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the video, Yeah, the video is right here,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: listen to it. For the people who don't know, let's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: play her video. No, it's okay, I'm gonna play the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: video of this.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Addressment that you said it couldn't be her fault. Well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you know, the murder suicide probably, no matter what it
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: was provoked by, probably was. You know, that's not really
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: her fault.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it is, but I'm just saying that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Before that could when we're conjecturing about the relationship before that,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: we don't know anything about it. And I'm just pointing
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: out that Hannah Cox, no doubt would say, if you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: have a dead man killed by his wife, she wouldn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: probably jump to the assumption that she was the abuser.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I highly doubt it because she's a feminist and that's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: not what feminists do. So yeah, my point is that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: if she is going to give women the benefit of
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the doubt and circumstances like that us and even actively
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: look for abuse against the woman who engaged in the murder,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: why isn't she recognizing it in this circumstance. Mm hmmm,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So there you go. Okay, let's keep going, all right, I'm.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Gonna play the beginning.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Sumber tenth, twenty twenty four, a woman named Jennifer Sheffield
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: posted this TikTok.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: So about to be a newly sing come home and
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I am in the middle of a divorce. My husband
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: is being incredible though, like really and truly like we are.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: We're working together.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Everything's great, We're splitting everything down the middle, like you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: everything is good.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: It is a very civil divorce.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: With our daughter in mind, and I really appreciate that. However,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna be a mom, single and calm
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: right now, and he will be helping with her. He
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: will be supporting her, you know, so essentially, like I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: really thankful that for that and that I will not
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: have to worry so much about supporting her. However, I
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: will be on a very limited income with buying a
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: new house and you know, paying a mortgage and all
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: that stuff.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: So I've never done this before.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: I've never been on my own before. So if you
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: have any tips saving money and making money anything like that,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: like I would really appreciate it, like you know, coffee
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: at home.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: You know, I take caffeine pills.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I do my own hair, nails, everything, like I do
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: have a job.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: She is a student, according to Hannahcock, she's going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be a doctor or something, which I mean, just because
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to school for medicine doesn't mean you're going
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to be a doctor. But again, we have to give
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: her all of the benefit of the doubt. Right, That's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: kind of like the thing that I'm getting out of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: this is that it's all we give her all the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Oh look and look this. This
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: is the thing that TikTok vidie is, you know, like
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a minute or so long, right it It paints a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: picture of this person. And I think that when you
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: hear what happened to them afterwards, there's like a gut
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: instinct to side with her because she seems so pleasant
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and she's cute, and she's young, and she's you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: she's curious, and she's like appears to be humble or whatever,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and so we're just supposed to side with her. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of course we don't know anything about the man. We
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what his situation is. All we know is
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that he's older and that they're getting a divorce, And
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: so I just want you to see that because I
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: think that ultimately, with both of these videos, these women
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: who are responding, they're not responding to so much the events.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: They're not even really so much responding to the things
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that are being said, but they don't like the tone,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and they're and they're coming out and saying, I don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I don't like the tone of this. But yeah, so
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and again like we.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Don't, I'm asserting that we don't know, we don't know, we.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Don't she could be an absolute monster, like behind Cloe Door,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: we don't know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Women I've known women were absolutely beloved. I went to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the funeral. One funeral was absolutely packed, but I knew
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: for a fact that she was a monster to the
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: people closest to her, and the funeral was packed because
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: she had She was charming, she was friendly, she seemed
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: wholesome to everybody who was at arms distance. But once
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you weren't at arms distance, she was really aggressive and abusive.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And that's something that a lot of people have said about.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: There's a certain type of I think narcissists who manages
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to gather a huge crowd of virtual strangers. Meanwhile, their
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: friends and family get the brunt of everything negative in
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: their lives. And so just the fact that she looks good,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: she looks cute on the when the camera is rolling,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. And I'm not saying that she is abusive.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying she isn't. But to go to look
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: into this tragedy and immediately frame it in ideological terms,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: this is what is, this is what is happening here,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and this is and the thing is that their guys
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: on Twitter will come up with despair and they're like, oh,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I wish this hadn't happened, because I'm like, they always
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: do this. There will be another murder, suicide guarantee because
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: they refuse to look at the things that actually would
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: prevent them. It's like these these women who assert this stuff,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: who frame the stuff in terms of their ideology, do
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: nothing to promote the stuff that would prevent this. Okay,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: what would prevent this is to deal with men before
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they get to this level of despair, and you wouldn't
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: just be saving the woman, you'd be saving the twenty
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: one men who died with this one woman. Right, It's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to get to men when they're
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: pushed to that level of despair to actually care to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: do so, and then you would be preventing the downstream problems.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I got into a huge argument over this with women
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: who were like, no, it's completely different. It's completely different.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, it isn't he was pushed to the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: edge by something, by something if this man wasn't abusive beforehand,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and it looks like it's entirely possible he was pushed
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to the edge of despair by this event, and he
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: probably if he wasn't going to if he hadn't decided
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to kill himself, probably would never have killed his ex wife.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He hadn't previously decided to kill himself, if he probably
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: never would have killed his ex wife. So if you
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: can actually get to men before they get to the
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: point of that level of despair, you will likely prevent
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of not like collateral damage towards other people.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Right shooting, school shootings is the same. Get to them
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: before they get to that level of despair. Most men
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: will just kill themselves. Most men won't take that step
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and kill anybody but themselves. And that the funny thing
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is is that she s stands up there, and she
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: is pontificating about this being a reflection of men. That's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the other thing, And I'm as.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: We should let's let's let's let.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Her do that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I won't respond to her before she does. I'm making
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a prediction that she's gonna do it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I know, I know that's fine, but we should definitely
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: because otherwise, right we're giving ammunition.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: To people in a good light to prevent incurring more
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: of their wrath. So I don't know where Jennifer was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: coming from when she made this tick took video, if
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: she was genuine and really truly believed that that was
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the state of her marriage and pinning divorce, or if
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: she was doing it to try to hopefully make sure
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that things went the way she needed them to go.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: I find it a bit hard to believe.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: That someone could just escalate overnight into doing something so
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: heinous and grotesque. But we do see crimes of passion
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: that have happened in the past where somebody doesn't have
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: a background of violence. So I can't really answer or
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: speak to any of that as of right now.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: What I can speak to is the equally grotesque reaction.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: No, it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, equally grotesque.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Hannah Cox is not equally grotesque and murdering someone.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just like I don't know that she
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: just thought that was flowery language, but it's absolutely incorrect.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Somebody saying something on the internet is not the same
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: as murder suicide. I don't know if you guys need
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to be told this, especially you libertarians that supposedly believe
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: in free speech.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: But they're not the same.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: No, not the same men online obviously and disturbing and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: just tragic all around you, this promising young woman who
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: lost your life. You have two daughters who have now
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: been orphaned thanks to their loser father. It's just trauma
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: and injustice every single way you look at it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But not the guy. Like this is a funny thing
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: because when I was talking to a feminist online about this,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: she ended I had this exchange, and through this the exchange,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: she said something that indicated she had forgotten there was
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a suicide involved, like completely forgotten. And I'm like, you
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: remember that there's a suicide involved in this, And that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the thing, Like people are ignoring the fact that this
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: man killed himself. You don't think that matters in this
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: whole equation, And for some reason, because a murder was involved,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the suicide is negated, and suicide suicidality. What causes suicide
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: and men, and treating suicide and men or treating the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: uh pre suicide and men becomes irrelevant. It's not irrelevant.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: There was a victim here that you are missing, Hannah Cox,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and that's the man. You don't kill yourself when you're happy,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and you don't kill yourself necessarily as a way to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: control others. I know that that's another argument they like
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to make, but okay, let's let's keep going.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna play some more of this. So yeah, grotesque, Okay,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: It can't get even worse.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Just when you think this is like the bottoming out
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: of humanity, it does online men take it upon themselves
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to come in and demonstrate firsthand why so many women
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: choose the bear over a man.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: When oh god, yeah, I think she had some examples,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: so maybe we could hear her.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: This woman, Like, I'm gonna ask the audience, is this
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: woman that attractive? This is kind of I know, it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: kind of petty, but it's just like she seems like
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: this is how she's presented.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: You know, Well, no, she certainly thinks of herself as
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like high value because she I've looked at her, tweet
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: her physically.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, on the level of being a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: human being, does this woman make you want to go
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: out and get a girlfriend? That's what I mean. On
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a level of resonating or compassion or caring about anything,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: or being a decent human being. I'm not talking about physically.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about on that level anyway. Maybe it is
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: petty something about really triggers my pettiness.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: All right, posting some of the most unhinged justification for
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: this man's actions, you can imagine. Jeff Younger took to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Twitter to quote tweet someone who had posted about the
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: case and said, well, she was taking his kids.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: If Jeff Younger said she was taking his kids? Now
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is first of all, is that a justification?
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: No?
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Is that a justification?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: No, it's someone trying to parse out what could be
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the cause for this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: But let's dig deeper. Who is Jeff Younger.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Hanna Cox knows this, but who
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: is Jeff Younger? Do you guys remember the case of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Jeff Younger, and so Jeff Younger was married and had
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a child, and his child was his wife of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: mother of his child, wanted to transition his son, Jeff Younger,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: into a girl and claimed that Jeff Younger knew or
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Jeff Younger's son knew he was a girl when he
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: was like two years old, and Jeff Younger did not
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: want that to happen. Now, well, some of you might
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: be wondering, how does a guy end up marrying a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: woman that when they have a child together, she immediately
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: wants to turn the child sex to the opposite and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: he would not agree with that. I have no idea.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I think that people should be better at vetting people
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: before they have kids with them, but that doesn't matter.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Jeff Younger fought tooth and nail to for custody of
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: his child to protect his son from being made to
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: transition by his ex wife, and he lost the case.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And his wife has his kid, and she is basically
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: going to be putting him on hormones if she hasn't
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: already done it, and that kid, I'm sorry, but the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: odds of that kid turning out normal after that are
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: very slim.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Jeff Younger has opinions on child custody as a result,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and so he's going to express that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Now, of course he is a man, so.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Who cares about what his experiences or why he might
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: have this opinion. I don't know if Hannah Cox is
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: gonna even knows about the case of Jeff Younger and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: his son. Covered it on this channel multiple times because
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: every stage of development, we were there to talk about it,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: because you know, we like to look at the whole picture,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: like what's going on over here with men? But anyway,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: that's who Jeff Younger is. So did you know that, Alison,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: about Jeff Younger? His son is being transitioned to be
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a girl against his will, and he no, he has
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: no ability to do anything about it, and he's not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to see his kid either.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: So does the kid even want to be? How old
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: is the kid?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: The child Jeff Younger's kid. I think he's you know what,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's like six or seven now,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: still pretty young. I got a rumble rant that I
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: think is extremely important. This might be like really big. Okay, okay,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So if this is true.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Prolepsis gives us twenty dollars.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Prolepsis really appreciate it. Says one of two things,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and I think he's referring to not the Jeff Younger thing,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: but the actual case we're discussing Sheffield he found out
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: he wasn't the father one. So apparently, if this is true,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: then Sheffield's daughter, because they have a kid together, is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: not his. Two the incredible divorce was a product of
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: her coercive control, and he snapped referred to Deborah Pony
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on YouTube for course of control. We know who Debrah
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Pony is, thank you. We sat her on her show
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: all the time. So if this is true, this adds
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: a new wrinkle to this entire case.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So is the one who spoke on this.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I think that she's She's spoken on coercive control, which
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we have to so I think that's what he means.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the because I'm still trying to look at
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: for a particular all right, So.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: All right, can anyone this was a rumble rant, so
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: can anyone confirm that Sheffield's daughter is not his? And
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that because if that's the case, then that changes a lot.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: That makes because it means that she was either lying
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to him about his him being the father, or she
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: cheated on him or something, and then she essentially he
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was made in the divorce to pay for the child.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Like this adds a lot more complexity to this story
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and it's not as simple as you know, man bad
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: kills wife whatever.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, anyway, okay, there's some mix up because
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: there's like other another Sheffield of some kind.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well I would like to confirm this, So
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: prolepsis if you, if you know, send me, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: send us something through you can join our discord. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're in there for free by going
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to badgination do online. We'd really like to see the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: sources on this because this has been come like a big,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: big deal and I think this knowledge is gonna blow
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: this whole thing wide open if it's true.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And then they'll just go into uh like it'll be
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: just go into the memory hole. People will just stop
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: caring about it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Not for us, we won't forget.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, sorry, all right, okay, let's keep going,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I want to play some more of Hannah Cocks. So so, yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Jeff younger kid was taken from him when he was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: very young, like I think a toddler, and uh, she's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: been you know, he can't he can't stop this from happening.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: So he's gonna have opinions on child custody.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: That in any way justifies his actions.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: First and foremost, Again, he's not justifying anything. He's simply
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: saying this could be the reason. That's it. He's not
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: saying it's right. He's not justifying anything.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to point something out because I think
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: this is a dynamic that men and women don't see
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: eye to eye on for women, because there isn't this
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: this bar of personal Like if a woman is provoked,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: everybody talks about what provoked her, right we immediately go
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to and you see this in feminist scholarship, which got
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: you know, rubber stamped by almost everybody. They go from
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: a woman beating a man, stabbing a man, throwing boiling
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: water on a man, and then they go to that
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: woman and they say, what provoked you? And then that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: becomes the reason why it happened. And I see this
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: over and over and over when we talk about female
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: criminality or malfeasance. It no longer is the woman who
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: chose to engage in the violence. It's the person who
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: provoked her. So I'm wondering if Hannah Cox and this
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: other other woman that we will be covering looked at
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: this and saw these men say this could have been provoking.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: This is something that she did in the video that
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: seemed personally. When I watched it the second time, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: thought it felt very gloating. But you know, they lay
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: out what the provocation could be, and because they're viewing
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it through the lens of this kind of softening of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: women's responsibility, they think that these men are excusing the action.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: No they're not, because, let's face it, if this man
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: had survived his suicide, there would be men hunting him down.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: There would be men interrogating him, there would be men
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: gathering evidence to put him in jail for the rest
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of his life. There would be men in transporting him
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to that jail or conducting the trial to send him
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: to jail. There would be men transporting him to jail.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: There would be men keeping him in jail and ensuring
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that he is no longer a threat to anyone else.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: And it is predominantly men who do this, because, let's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: face it, men can only really enforce things on men
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: physically because the strength deferential. And also it's men that
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: constructed this entire justice system to bring male criminals to
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: justice in the first place, and when we had things
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like firearms that could be easily operated by women, women
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: started to join the ranks of that. But I don't like,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it's going to be men. If this man lived, it
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: would be men who would bring him to justice, right so,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and they would look at that and they say, yes,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: this was provoked. This is how men would look at it.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: This was provoked by x Y and Z, or it
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: might have been provoked by x Y and Z. But
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: he is still responsible. He still should have risen above
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that provocation, and he still should be subject to punishment.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: That's the male response to this. They might look into
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the provocation in a preventative manner in the future, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: would not excuse like, if she's going to talk about
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the male response, which is what she's doing, she's excluding
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of it. She is solely focusing on the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: men who said she deserved it, ignoring the men who
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: said perhaps this was a form of provocation, or even
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: framing them as saying that she deserved it. And she's
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: doing so because again, I think she's looking at it
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: from a very feminine lens, which is, if somebody provokes me,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have the responsibility. I don't have as much
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: responsibility to resist the provocation, which is supported by all
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of the feminist scholarship blaming men for provoking women's violence.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: You know that this attitude is very prevalent, especially among
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: feminist women. And I'm saying, she's looking at this through
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that lens. She's projecting her own attitude towards female violence
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: onto men. And I think a lot of those men
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: would say she might have provoked it in this way,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and yet they would still go out of their way
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to make sure that he was, if he had survived,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: was not a not a threat to society. They would
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: still have expected him to adhere to a high standard
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of responsibility and not not like they would say that
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: this provocation, like your actions were not equivalent to the provocation,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: therefore you should be punished, is what I'm saying. And
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that's the entire male response. Analyze the situation, administer like
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the the the correct response to what he did, right,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And that's omitted here because I don't think that Hannah
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Cox really has the mentality to understand it, to understand
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that men.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: All she sees is a lack of empathy for this
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: poor woman who is you know, dead and there's really not.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Empathy doesn't really do her any good, but she wants
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: empathy for women in the abstract as a consequence of
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: what happened to this woman. So yeah, I know, I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: know you could double that in fact, and it probably has. Well,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that, like what what I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: think it seems to me like with with this video
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: is that her problem with the male response is that
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: it isn't performative in the way that she thinks it
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: should be. It's rational and analytical, maybe even like maybe
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: there are some men who are and I'm sure you
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: could find people with all kinds of opinions, but those
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: are the people she chooses the food focus on. But
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: more than that, and that gets into the into the video,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: she also, as a consequence of that, focuses on the
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: men who did not call out the men who did
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: not take this seriously enough. It's not even that they
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: were necessarily on board, but it was that other men
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: weren't saying, hey, buddy, don't say that about women, right,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and that was well that so she ends up blaming
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: like the majority of men because there's the man who
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: said something she didn't like about something that she about
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: someone she didn't even know. Like I told Lindsey about
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: this and she was like, well, I don't know her,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: so I don't know how upset I'm supposed to be,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's always tragic when someone is murdered.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: But like, okay, like you know, but anyway, let's let's uh,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: let's listen to more.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: Most it does not seem that she was taking his kids.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: According to her in her own video, they were going
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: to be sharing their kids.
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: They are equally their kids. But secondarily, yeah.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Even if she had been, I would say that this
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: was an example of a time that a man should
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: have his kids taken because this man is a murder
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: he clearly.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Okay, so now
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: we're just jumping right into it with both feet.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the fact that he killed her is proof
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't deserve custody.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Well I mean yeah, I mean, if if he'd killed
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: her and survived, he probably shouldn't have custody. But prior
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to the extreme action, we don't know, like she even
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: allowed that. There's crimes of passion. But the other thing
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: is again, was it was it a abusive relationship with
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the abuse on the behalf of the woman. Like, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the other thing is if women, if men get into
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: this extreme anxiety when they're just having relationship conflicts, what
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: must be happening during divorce, right, And that would really
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: go a long way to explain why so many men
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: commit suicide during the divorce proceedings. And then you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: at once in a blue moon, a man kills his partner.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: And I'd like to actually point out something someone did.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Ran the stats on the US for intimate partner murder
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: or murder by.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: A family.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: By proxy, Like the rate at which men are murdered.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: It's about forty percent of all intimate partner murders. It's
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: forty percent. I'm not sure if that even included kids,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: So like, that's not that significantly different than fifty percent.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: And yet the entire discourse is always around men as
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: perpetrators women as victims, and when a woman is a perpetrator,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: of course she's still a victim. And that entire discourse itself,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: it creates this fog of bullshit around this social problem
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that impedes actual people who are actually studying it, operating
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: it to actually reduce the problem. Like Deborah Powney, like
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: she was just mentioned she. I'm pretty sure she was
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the one who brings up the fact that if you
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: want to reduce the violence against women, we have to
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: redress women's own violence. But because as feminists are constantly
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: farting out this fog of war around this issue, we
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: can never get in there with real solutions, which means
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: women like Hanna Cox guarantee there will be another murder suicide, right,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: They guarantee it because they don't want to embrace anything.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: But what supports their ideology and their ideology is taking
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a big, steaming, slightly watery dump on men. Okay, all right,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna play some more of this. Lloyd Vine is
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: wondering what we're talking. We're talking about the murder suicide
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: of Sheff Fields, the Sheffields, not the Jeff Younger, but
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Jeff Younger had an opinion on this recent murder suicide.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And that's why we talked about Jeff Younger for a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: little while, because that's also an important story.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: But anyway, really and mentally unstable.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: He clearly was physically violent and scary and a threat,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: so his kids should have been taken away from him.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: And this guy, Jeff Younger who I don't know.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Who he is.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Apparently he lost his kids recently too, and he's really
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: upset about it, which is like.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't know who Jeff Younger is. Again, like
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: why that's not That's not a small blind spot, Hannah Cox.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: This is like I thought you gave a shit about
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: the trans agenda. I thought that you cared about men
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: and women's sports or whatever it is that you seem
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to be focused on. But you don't know about the
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: women who take their children away from their husbands so
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: that they can transition them so that they can put
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: them on a reality show or make themselves famous or whatever.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: But you don't know about that, isn't Isn't that weird?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: But like look at her attitude?
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course she's contemptuous.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Damn attitude? Yeah, good lord?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Like you know, uh Rich Cooper. I don't know if
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: you know Rich Cooper. I had him on my show once.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: He does a lot of like it's kind of a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: migtile guy. I had him on the show a while ago.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: He also made a comment on this. I think if
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: either her or the other person Amala that made a
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: comment about him, and it was basically again, it was
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: what these men are doing that these women don't get
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: is they're simply trying to explain what could be the
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: cause so that they could open up a discussion around
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: like that. Right, Like, so, Jeff, Youunger is like, well,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: if you take a man's kids, and I think that,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: you know, there's something that we don't think about, like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the the the lengths that a man would go to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to protect his children if he's a father, Like, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: think that, like, this is something we won't talk about
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: because again, if that is expressed in a way that
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: involves force or violence, we're supposed to see that as monstrous,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: no matter what the conditions are, unless, of course it's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: like an acceptable version. Right.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So, Okay, so she just did a lot of scope
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: creep here. She starts with, oh, it could have been
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: a crime of past, and now she's he's definitely an
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: absolute monster and all this other crab. Even though again,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: if there was a dead if it was a dead
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: man who was killed by in a murder suicide, we
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: would she would probably say, well, we can't tell. No,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: she she might have been an abuse fiction.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was abusing her and she's just retaliating the
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: woman cut off the guy's penis and threw it in
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: a garbage disposal, and then, like you know, all the
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: women on the view were laughing about it because they
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: just assumed that he deserved it, even though they had
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: I think it was because he asked for a divorce.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a if there was a woman, if
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: there was a dead man on the floor and the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: woman was still alive, she'd probably be saying, oh it,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: you know, we gotta we gotta look into it. He's
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: probably the abuser. Like this is what's so infuriating is
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the double standard. Okay, so do we have more time
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: codes with her?
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to play the rest of this one, okay,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: and then there's like another, uh, another one she does.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: She talks about how no fault of worce should well
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: she goes in the marriage and stuff, but that we
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: can that that's not We'll just finish this time code prize.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: After observing his Twitter feed for a little bit, but
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: someone said, people really on here trying to justify this.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: He said, if you take a man's kids with a
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: shrug emoji, somebody getting divorced and having to share custody
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: of their kids, does not justify murder. I don't know
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: why I have to say that, Like, I don't know.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Again, he's not justifying, yeah he's he's not justifying. He's
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: not saying that he if this man survived, he shouldn't
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: be punished. She's saying, this is an extreme provocation. You know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: this is this is this is like female logic.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, that's just it. Like I said, she's like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: why aren't you Why aren't you caring more?
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Why aren't you caring more?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, it's not that I don't care,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: but like as a being of logic, I'm just trying
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: to understand, like explain to you, this is how this happened.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's what he's saying. He's not saying it's
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. He's not making an aught, he's not
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: making a judgment. Yeah, he's saying, this is why this happened.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you go into enough trucks and
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: shake your naked ass in front of enough men, you
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: will locate a psycho. Like that's if you play those odds,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and it's like that's what happens. Eventually you will locate
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: a psycho and men can't stop it unless they can
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: put you in a burka and keep you in the harem. Right,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and this is this is like the and the and
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the and women say that. Listen to that, and they
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: say men are victim blaming. No, it's still wrong. The
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: psycho's behavior is still wrong, and men will still make
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: him take responsibility for it or her, considering the rate
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: of rape with women among women to women, I mean,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: they will make her take responsibility for it, or make
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: him take responsibility for it. But you know they're still
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: gonna say, we can't stop it if you put yourself
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: in danger. I think that's what this is. You know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you know, enough women divorce and take a man's kids,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: you're gonna find the one psycho or the one abused
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: man who can't take it anymore. All right, let's keep going.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: All right, So what stage of evolution the skuy is at?
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: But it's not the same one I'm in. Another person
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: responded to him and said, yes, she definitely wasn't trying
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: to protect them from the kind of person who violently
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: flies off the handle when dealing with a life crisis.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: And he said, you're engaging in the slave master fallacy
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: like most feminists.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: What's the slave master fallacy?
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, definitely wasn't trying to protect them from the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: kind of person who violently flies off the handle when
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: dealing with a life crisis. So when she made her
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: TikTok video where everything seemed to be completely cool, was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: she secretly sending out a cry for help? Because it's no,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it's impossible for you to know what happened. Oh, Alison
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: stepped away. So anyway, let's let's listen to what she
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: says about this.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is feminist problem. Feminists who made it possible
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: for women to escape abusive men and to hopefully escape
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: abusive marriages with their lives.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: This is bullshit. This Women have been able to do
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: this since at least Blackstone in like the U in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: seventeen ninety seven, and then even before then, it wasn't
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like if if well there was before then. Let's look
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: at some of the Norse sagas a family abusing the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: daughter of one other family caused and a rift a war, right,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and and her I think it was her mother who
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: demanded retribution for their ill treatment, and and yeah, there
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: was a lot. So this was never considered something acceptable.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: They just didn't have police and jails at the time,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: you just would end up doing it the old fashioned
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: way through lynching. Right, So this is never something that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: nobody had the social the will to watch their female
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: members of their family get their asses kicked.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: You don't see the reverse. You don't see people mounting
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: the horse and getting out the rope for a woman
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: who's engaging in domestic violence against their sons. They just
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: have a good laugh over over the over the beer stein,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, this is infuriating. Feminists didn't
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: do that for women. And furthermore, feminists couldn't do that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: for women. If men were hell bent on using domestic
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: violence to keep women in their place, women would be
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: in their place. There's not much we could do because
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: they're bigger. And I don't mean that as a threatening thing.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I mean that as just functional reality. This woman probably
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to fight against trans women in mma. Well
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that. That means that, all things considered, if men
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: were as you say they are, Hannah Cox, we would
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: have a vastly different world. And it wasn't feminists that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: made us created the situation where women were cared about.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: It was men who cared about women and protected them
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: from those men who are bad. And those men who
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: are bad are not that you hold them up as
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: the example of what men are, and you ignore all
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: of the men, you know, they hold like feminists hold
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Mark Lapine up as an example, they completely ignore. Do
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: we know the names of the men who sacrifice themselves
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: to protect and shield women during that event? No, they're relevant,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: aren't they. They don't represent male nature. No, it's just
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the assholes, the monsters. Why is this? This is so convenient,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: so convenient?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: All right, all right, play some more of this, okay, situation?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Not the violent kinds of men who have been men
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: throughout history when they don't get their way and cannot
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: control them any longer. I am not exaggerating when I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: say I could show you literally hundreds and hundreds of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: posts of men making this argument in the comment sections.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: They're not making an argument.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not making an argument. They're trying to explain
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: what there could be some that are like behind that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: But like, so what like It's not like there's a
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: whole academic, you know, discipline surrounded around hating on women
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: and blaming them for everything.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: There's not an academic discipline surrounding saying like there's not
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: an academic discipline saying she deserved it. Like, this is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: what's astounding to me. There is scholarship making the argument
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: that men, male victims of domestic violence deserved it. There
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: is scholarship you can find, published papered from tenured professors
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: making that argument. And then there's a couple men on
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Twitter who are like, yeah, I think she might have
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: pushed them, but too far. And she's like, oh my god,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: this is evidence of what blah blah. It's evidence of nothing.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: It's evidence of a couple people's opinions on Twitter. Get
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: back to me when Stanford approaches them and says, hey, sir,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: would you like to be a professor if she deserved it?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Like then you'll have a case, all right, let's keep yeah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: This case. And it is just mind blowing.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: It really really is like something is very broken within
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: these people. Also, I saw a lot of men saying that.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: This is yeah, Jeff Younger's kid is being transitioned against
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: his will. She's effectively murdered her his child, She's effectively
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: killed as kid. And that's this is like the same
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: thing with Elon Musk's kid that you know, like he
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: even said it. He says, my child's been murdered by this,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: by this ideology. In this case, Jeff Younger's child is
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: essentially murdered, certainly not going to be reproducing, so he's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: made him into a genetic dead end because.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Of his wife.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that he's entitled to be a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: little bitter about it and may have some words. But again,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the free speech absolutist, libertarian feminist has a problem with
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: his words because his wife is killing his child slowly
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: and the government has the pot it got behind her
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: because they sided with her to do that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Sure, Hannah Cocks indicative of why no fault divorce should
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: be abolished.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: They say this is wrong on my levels.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: This got repeated over and over like this wouldn't have
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: happened if no fault divorce.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: Weren't a thing. Yeah, okay, it would have happened because
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: if you.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Because there wouldn't be a situation where a woman can
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: destroy the life she builds up with a man based
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: on why did she do it? Like what? But here's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the thing, Like a woman like Hannah Cox, imagine she
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: finds her perfect six foot five blue eyes job in finance, right,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and she's like, oh boy, I can just imagine the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: castle I live in with my perfect white knight. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: then the next morning he doesn't text her. Imagine how
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: much but hurt she would express over that, and how
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: all the women would would would you know, gather around
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: her and say, yeah, he's such a bastard. You're so
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: right to feel like you're you're hard done by, right,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: This is like one a one night stand, a situation
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: where she slept, she had a relationship for a day,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and all the women understand how absolutely you know, devastated
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: she would be because she doesn't get a text the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: next morning right from this guy. And all of the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: breach of promise laws that we eventually repealed, which basically
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: amounts to the same thing, the heart bomb laws, that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: women would be so shattered, emotionally shattered by a man
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: not giving them the relationship they believe for whatever reason
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: they were promised, right, and she can't understand why this
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: guy is absolutely destroyed by having invested however many years
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: he invested in this relationship, in these kids, in this
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: woman and building something with her, and she just decides
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: not to text him the next day right, yeah, understand.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: And I had this argument with one of these and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I had to actually take her through it and say,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: don't you think you'd understand how upset a woman would
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: be if she didn't even receive a text the next
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: day from some dude that just hit it and quit it.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: You can't see why he might be absolutely destroyed by
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the fact that his life has been absolutely destroyed by
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: the unilateral decision of this woman for what reason. Well,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: it's no fault, so there's no reason. She just got bored.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: They you know, maybe maybe the guy didn't text you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: because one of your parts fell off, Hannah Cox, and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: he was grossed out, like like that, he could have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: any reason, any superficial reason, not to text you the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: next day. And yet all of the women would gather
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: around and say, what a bastard. Okay, can we say
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: this about her? What a bitch? Like a man doesn't
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: text you the next day after you have sex with him,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: What a bastard? How dare he was he owed you something?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: This woman destroys her entire life with her husband, But
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: that that should just be you know, he should just
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: take it. He should just be like, oh, he doesn't
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: have any right to feelings. This is what I'm seeing,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: m And it's not that I'm saying that he had
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: a right to kill her. I'm saying that when you
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: look at this situation, you should understand that it's extremely traumatic.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: She was causing him excruciating pain. You know all the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: abuse that you call out when men do it to women,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: controlling abuse, emotional abuse. She had his life in her
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: hand and she was poking it. That's what she was doing. Right.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Whether or not she understood the depth of the pain
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: she was causing him, I don't know, but that's what
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: she was doing. And if you can understand that men
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: who don't text the next day cause women pain, you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: can understand this that a man just unilaterally divorcing his
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: wife because she I don't gain fifty pounds. You can
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: understand this that she is destroying his life. She is
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: causing him agony and trauma. Every single no fault divorce,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: unilateral divorce, is one person saying I'm gonna fuck you up.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna control every aspect of your life. I'm gonna
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: fuck every bit of it, and i'm gonna cand you
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: back the broken shards of your dreams, your hopes, and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: dreams and everything you built. That's what it is. And yes,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: you can say that women should have the right to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: do it, but let's recognize what they have the right
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: to do. Okay.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I jumped ahead to another bit about it's called the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Broader Implications of Male violence because obviously, and here's again,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: El Tapo Guzman took a screenshot of this someone named
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: af wing mom one who said, newsflash for women, marriage
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: is not a fairy tale. It takes a hard work
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and dedication and make a lifelong marriage work. Many women
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: nowadays are selfish, prideful, and unwilling to sacrifice themselves for
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: their marriage till death to us part is not just
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: a ceremonial statement. I don't know if it says af
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: wing mom, so this might be a female post and yeah,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: so and it says here this was her praising him,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: how good he was dealing with the divorce. That's like
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the image on eleven and El Tapo Guzman says, you're
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: at fault if your husband murders you. It is probably
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: one of the most unhinged things I've read in a while. Also,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: women not taking accountability in reply to a man murdering
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: his wife incredibly, wildly ironic. Some of you really need
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: to touch grass.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, and this is this is what they're doing.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: This is what these women would understand. If a man
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: took a woman's children away and maybe maybe she let
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: her have the children like an evening on Wednesday and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: and the every other every other weekend. You know, he
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: just decided that and then he decided to take everything
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: that she had built, and then she he decided to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: completely arrange her life on his whim. You would understand
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: that to be controlling abuse. And yet we casually just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: do this every day with divorce, like we just would
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: just women just do it like it's this is a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: traumatic event. It's a traumatic event for the husband. It's
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: a traumatic event for the children. I don't know how
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: it isn't a traumatic event for her. I guess she
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: just didn't attach to him or her kids, like she
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: just just just floating along. It was just like, yeah,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: this is okay. She's just like she has the commitment
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: of somebody who's just sitting in a theater watching a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: movie and then when it's over, she just gets up
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: and walks out. But anyway, it's traumatic. It's a traumatic
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: thing to put someone through. And if it was men
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: who are regularly doing it to women for no reason
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: but I'm bored. Believe me, feminists would regard it as
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: a form of abuse. It would be called divorce abuse,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: and it would be on the Duluth model.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, I'm gonna play the next one. Guys,
• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:39
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• 1:13:45
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna play more of the video.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Murders you is probably one of the most unhinged things
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I've read in a while. Also, women not taking accountability
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: and reply to a man murdering his wife incredibly wildly ironic.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: Some of you really need to touch grass.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: This guy, Brandon Johnson was one of the those wacko losers.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: He said, women will not accept accountability.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're just putting Okay, so it could just
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: be a look, let's just hear her.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Let's see, let's hear this post.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, she thinks all men basically that don't have
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: the opinion that she thinks they should have are wacko losers.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Let's just put, let's just that's what it is, so
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: all right, here we.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Go, five person of divorces. Are there men who are
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: abusive and cheat on their wives, certainly, and I have
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: no sympathy for them. But the women who initiate a
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: divorce because they are unhappy as a cop out and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: probably are listening to feminist I'm sure he was going
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: to say, feminist, actually being unhappy is a perfectly justifiable
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: reason for getting divorced, because you know what, it's some
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: of your business why people want to get divorce.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: You miserable, Karen, go get a life, Okay.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I wonder if women would say the same thing, if
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: men could get could get primary custody, and if women
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: were re expected to provide most of the finances in
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: a relationship and men got half of that too, Like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: if the shoe is on the other foot, I guarantee
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: you this this would be a spoke in the Deluthe
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: model wheel. It would be considered divorce abuse. It would
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: be considered legal abuse or something. This is. And then
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the fact that just for whatever reason, women don't don't
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: seem to have the same loyalty through their relationships. I mean,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: look at when feminists said well, men had the ability
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: to have a divorce. Yeah, and there was like one
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: divorce in a thousand and then they give women the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: unilateral ability to have a divorce and suddenly divorce rate
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: is fifty percent. And honestly, when I'm not just talking
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: about being able to have a divorce, because this isn't
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: no fault divorce. This is man at fault divorce. This
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: is the they did when they say this is no fault,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: This divorce is the same. The situation is the same
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: as just assuming the man was a fault like one
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago. So they took the divorce that happens
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: when the man was at fault and they made it
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: the standard, and then they called it no fault divorce. Bullshit,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: it's a man at fault divorce. She had a man
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: at fault divorce even though he did nothing wrong. And incidentally,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: if there's conservatives listening to it who are inclined to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: keep pushing our marriage on men, is this fair? I mean,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: at one point a man had to do something wrong
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: for his marriage to implode, but now all that has
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: to happen is the tingles need to wear or wear off,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: or the woman feels the need to has a bit
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: of an itch for some from New Strange and it's over.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Is that fair? Is that fair that that we have
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: evolved from from fault divorce to men at fault divorce?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Is that a fair contract? Okay?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, uh so let's yeah, let's play some
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: more a little.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: Bit more of this in divorce.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: As a religious person, I take my vows of marriage
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: very very seriously.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: And leap Well. Look, but Hannah Cox, like, first of all,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I I'm gonna call me, like, you know, a skeptic
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: of of your devotion. But that doesn't what your situation
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: is doesn't matter. Like if if women can just get
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: divorced and and at the drop of a half or
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, take the kids, take half your shit, what
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: incentive is there for men to like get involved at all?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Like you're making this to a conversation about no fault divorce.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that she does say this, so
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like put words in her mouth. She
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: does say that the state should probably not be involved
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: in marriage at all.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I agree, But.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I think that nonetheless, you're still caping or or not caping.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: But you're still like going up against men who are
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: simply observing reality and telling you what it is, just
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: like this, and they're not saying it's okay, they're saying, hey,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: do you want to reduce these outcomes, which, by the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: way you're making you're taking a fraction of a fraction
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: of a fraction. So like you have, you know, the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: percentage of men who end up getting a divorce or
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the couples who end up getting a divorce, And within
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: that fraction, you have the percentage of men who end
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: up losing the kids in a.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Divorce, which is still probably the majority, okay.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And then when that within that you have the number
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: of men who do something violent to themselves or to others,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: which is a small percentage, because I mean, I know
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys. I mean, it's it's shocking how
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: many guys just in my day to day life are
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: are in the midst of a divorce or they've already
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: been divorced at least once. And I'm sorry, I don't
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: think it's their fault. I don't think that in every
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: case the men aren't stepping up enough or they're not
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: making enough. It's just that we don't incentivize people to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: stay together. We incentivize divorce we especially incentivize it in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: women with all the benefits. I mean, like Eddie Murphy
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: was talking about that in his stand up in the eighties.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: This isn't like a new thing, right half Eddie. So
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you have that, and then some men, a small percentage,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: don't cope with that very well. And most of those
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: men just take their own life. And so then you
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: get and then you have like the tiny fraction of
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: men that like lash out in a way that harms others,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: which is again tragic. Shouldn't happen, it's terrible. But if
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: you want to reduce that, you have to like start
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: addressing like all of the steps that lead to it.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Not like any man who commit suicide, fine, keep it
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: to yourself. You're a loser. That's basically what she's saying. Okay,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: But if they kill somebody else and then themselves, oh
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: now it's a problem. And and the men who don't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: shut you know, shame or shout down, the men who
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: are not immediately sympathetic to the women or immediately jump
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: on the let's all blame men bandwagon, well those are
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: those men are just as grotesque because they didn't step
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: up and say something. And it's like what I'm what
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing from this is that and again we're gonna
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: head a. Cox is selling herself as a rational, politically
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: homeless libertarian. Women they're supposed to be floating above everybody else. Okay,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: they're the best people, biggest brains. And she's still expecting
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: that men be completely empathetic, even if it doesn't solve
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: any problems, even if there's no potential solutions, even if
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: there's no discussion about why this happened or how this
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: could be prevented and what we could talk about. No,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: you have to just get on board and shame men
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: who are not completely like, call them all losers.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Home the touch grass, you know one.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: All of that. No solutions. We don't want solutions. We
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: want empathy. That's basically what she's saying. I don't want solutions.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to understand it. I want you to
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: tell me that you don't want to kill me, and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: that you love women, and do you hate the men
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: who did this? And and that's it. Like that, I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: just want compliance, emotional compliance, that's what he's asking for.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Let's let's be honest. If that was all that was
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: that was being asked for, I'd be fine. This is
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: the problem that I see. You know that that whole skit.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: It's not about the nail, right. The problem is sometimes
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: there's no nail, and it's just about making men feel bad.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: If if women were like, yo, I just feel really,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: I feel really uncertain now because I'm being propagandized with
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: bullshit about criminal men and they just wanted a hug
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: from their partner and say no, I love you and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever. Fine, if women just want to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: be pampered emotionally, they just want men to do a
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: little emotion labor for them, fine, this isn't that. This
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: isn't just oh I want you to feel I want
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: you to validate my feelings about the nail. That would
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: be neurotic but acceptable. As far as I'm concerned, I'm
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: gonna defend women on that it's neurotic but acceptable. That's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: not what she's doing. She's demanding men. She's demanding men
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: be morally inferior to her. She's demanding moral dominance over men.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: And she's framing this situation. She's taking this situation from
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: something that can be examined, maybe found a solution about
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: within the context the greater context, which is men's suicide
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: as a result of relationship breakdown. You can't. There's no
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: argument that's going to convince me that this is somehow
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: outside of that. Right, men's suicide is a result of
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: relationship breakdown. She takes it out of the greater argument,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the total scope of the information from which we might
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: be able to defend women. Maybe men need more support
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: during the process of divorce because in general, men are
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: more anxious when it comes to relationship conflict. Hey, we
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: can recognize that men are more anxious when it comes
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: to relationship conflict. Therefore, it might be beneficial to everyone
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: involved to give them more support. Right, that's like the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: base level. We can let women engage in this absolute, traumatic,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: destructive thing that they do, but maybe we could give
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: men a little bit of support through it, okay, right,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: recognizing that they tend to respond less I don't want
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: to say less optimally, but they're more sensitive to relationship breakup. Right, Okay,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: that's not we can't talk about that. No, all this
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: incident can be used for is grist for the mill
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: when it comes to establishing moral dominance over men. And
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: she says that the people who want to talk about
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: what's going on. They want to express the situation. They
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: want to say, hey, men suffer quite a bit during
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: this process. Let's look at that. And maybe they're not
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: being very polite about it. Maybe they're saying, she did X,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Y and Z, she looked like she was gloating, she
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: embarrassed him, she threw this out into the public. I mean, ultimately,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: I think she just was causing him a lot of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: trauma and pain, you know, And maybe she does have
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: the right to do that, but that doesn't change the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: fact that she's causing him trauma and pain, all right,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: And they want to look at this, find a solution
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: for it to ultimately, at the end of the day,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: reduce the number of men who kill themselves. Of course,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: they probably didn't even care about that of women who
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: get killed, right, look at this in terms of a solution,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: so that you know, we're not looking at in February,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: another woman experiencing this. You know, they're twenty men and
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: one woman experiencing this. You know, in of course, there's
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: also the women killing the men, but let's you know,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: we'd less ignore that entirely.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, interesting factoid, the number of women
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: killing men reduced since the nineteen seventies. And one of
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: the going theories is because women get more support during divorce. Now,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: huh oh, yeah, yeah since the nineteen seventies. In the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, men and women were killing each other about equally.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Husbands and wives were killing each other about equally. I
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: mean it might have been a little bit less for women,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: like maybe five percent, and not.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Because women are kinder. It's because women are seeing much
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: less of it. Yeah, they're getting more support.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got more support through the process of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: relationship breakdown, relationship troubles and divorce and lo and behold,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the number of men who were killed by their wives decreased.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: There you go, Hannah Cox. That might be a serious
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: solution you could explore. Except that's not what's important. And
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: this is the thing. Women like this grab onto these
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: situations like Gollum grabs onto my passions, and they use
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: them to their ideological ends, and they control them, and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: they take them away from people like Deborah Pawni who
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: are trying to reduce the scope of a blast zone.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Like the women like this are literally responsible for perpetuating
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: the problem that causes the suicides and the murder suicides,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: because they suck all of the oxygen out of the room.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: They reframe these issues in terms of what they want
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: from them ideologically, they take them from the people who
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: are trying to use them as data points to create
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: a solution. You know that. And I did not come
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: to this conclusion until I actually started to look into
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: feminist NGOs regarding domestic violence and the things that they've
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: done in the past. Yeah, this stuff does like they
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: if women continue to be victims, that's good. They get
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: continue to use them ideologically, so they have no incentive
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: to actually reduce the number of female victims.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, ironically, the big effect that they've had by
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: creating the system of support for women is to reduce
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: the number of male victims. So what would be the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: best way to reduce the number of female victims? Well,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: support systems for men. Are they promoting that? No, they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: shout it down, they try to destroy it, and yet
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: the evidence is there.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Hmm, okay, all right, a little bit more.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Beaving my marriage if there were cheating or abuse. But
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: that being said, the state, the government has no business
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: telling people under what conditions they have to stay married.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: That is a religious matter, not a political one, and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think the government should have ever gotten involved
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: in marriage in the first place.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I understanding abuse, I wanted to jump ahead. I'm sorry
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: I forgot to do that.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: When she's no longer happy in a relationship, like a
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: rat out of an aqueduct, she's gonna be gone. What
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I said that when the hammacos is no longer happy
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: in her relationship, like a rat out of an aqueduct,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: she'll be gone.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll see forever ever, gonna sit here and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: have this conversation that like women are the more emotional sucks.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: No, they're not.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: In fact, everybody data I've seen backs of the fact
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: that women, even when they have someone who's being route
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: to them and when they have somebody who's disrespecting them.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: Maintained a quorum. Okay, what is this treat the other person?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: The study is from someone named Adam Grant says one
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: more time, women aren't too emotional to lead data. When
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: men are anxious and stress, they're more likely to be rude, hostile,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: and abusive. Women show respect regardless of their feelings. The
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: test of emotional intelligence is not how you feel, is
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: how you respond.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Leading through the uncertainty of COVID nineteen.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: Let's look it up.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Oh really, wait wait, wait, are we seriously going to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: use COVID nineteen. How the fuck were women behaving during
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: that period? Guys? I mean, I know there were men
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: that were, like, you know, mask Nazis, but.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: Come on, come on, madam Grant, we should look that up.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to look it up right now. I'm
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: going to see what it actually says. Leading through the uncertainties.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, where does the word karen come from? I mean,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: not the name obviously we know, but the slur I guess. Okay, anyway,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: sho find.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Off on it except towards a man behaviors. Okay, you
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: continued listening to her, and all right, all right.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: All right, let me just see here.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then, with respect, women as a whole do not
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: fly off and murdered husbands when they are cheated on,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: which men are statistically more likely to do, when they
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: are left, when they are left when they are sick,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: which again men are statistically much more likely to do,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: much more likely.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, to hold up, Hold up, hold up.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: So this is the thing that's kind of interesting about this.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: So she'll say women are not are less likely to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: murder their husbands than men. Well, but depends on how
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you define a woman murdering her husband, because if she
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: gets a boyfriend to do it, or hires a hit
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: man to do it, or gets the you know, accuses
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: the husband of doing something and reporting it to the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: cops or whatever, then that is her using violence against men,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: but just not herself. She's getting somebody else to do it.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: And this happens so if a woman. So here's the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: thing what I think is going on. Okay, if a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: man murders his wife, then it's considered a man murdering
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: his wife. But if a woman gets a boyfriend a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: murder her husband, then it's a man murdering another man.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: So you see this, It depends on how we are
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: going to define our terms. Right, and again, the the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: statistics for this are probably pretty hard to suss out
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: as well. Uh And then like, let's let's look at
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: one other thing here too, because I think this is
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: like the one the elephant in the room. Okay, if
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: this video this the okay, let me put it like this.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: This incident with the Sheffields that we're talking about, the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: only reason why it's viral is because a woman was
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: killed by her husband after she put out a TikTok
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: video that seemed to, you know, paint a different picture.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: So the truth is is that we care about women
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: so much that when something does happen, everybody's talking about it.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: And the fact that Hannah Cox knows all about the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: shef Fields and nothing about Jeff Younger tells you everything
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: you need to know. So they're all they like, do
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying? Like the the literal the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: filter of our awareness of gender dynamics, of a violence
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: between men and women, of domestic issues, the filter itself
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: is only showing us when women are victims. So we
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: assume that women are victims because, like most people have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: to do homework to find the other side of the equation.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Not just like the other side of the story, but
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: I mean like incidents of men being you know, abused,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: being murdered, you know, and all of this other stuff,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: and we don't find it like women. One of the
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: things I do on my news show for those of
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: you guys who don't know, is if I can, I'll
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: put in a story of a woman who does something horrible,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: you know, female pedophiles for example, we don't call them pedophiles.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: We call them teachers that get involved with their students.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: But that's pedophilia. It's just that we don't call it that.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: So I'll put a focus in on and say, look,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: the language is different. Oh, they had an affair, right,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: but that's but that damages that that boy and if
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: he goes on in the future commit sexual crimes, guess
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: what we get to just blame men for that. We
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: don't even want to know that, like maybe he was
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: abused by a woman in his life. Or when a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: woman kills her baby. There was a story of a
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: woman who you know, threw her baby and a I mean,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: there's like the dumpster baby mean, but there was like
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: something specific where they, you know, try to flush their
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: baby down the toilet because they they and they were
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: trying to it was basically like killing the baby after
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: they had it, or they were frustrated. They kill their babies,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: And what we what do we say when there's new
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: stories about that, Oh, postpartum depression. Oh she would because
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: she couldn't handle the pressure of children, you know. So
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: it's like the way that the stories go viral, the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: conditions under which they go viral is proof that we
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: tend to excuse bad female behavior and find ways to
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: blame men. We only know about the shed fields because
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: the woman had a TikTok account and put out a
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: video that made her look super wholesome.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: And that's it.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: That's the reason we care. If there was no video,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: then there would be no story. You see what I'm saying,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: because things like this happen all the time. But this
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: one is the story that we have to talk about
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: because the woman in the story put out a video
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: that made her look like a decent person who knows
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: what she's really like. We just had that to go
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: off of. Wow, now that's the conditions we have to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: talk to.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: What these effects are tiny?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: What do you mean the effects?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, the study, The effects are tiny? Like in the study? Also,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: could they control for the fact that women might rank
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: male leaders more as more abusive, then male followers would
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: rank female leaders or vice versa. Anyway, this seems like
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: a really but the other here's the other thing, Like,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not somebody who's going to be like, oh oh oh,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: men are more emotional herpadert yes, so what what if
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: they are? So what if they are? I mean if
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: they are more emotional when there's there's family conflict, So what.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, how do we measure how do we measure emotional?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Does it matter? Though it does men are more emotional?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: So what if their men are more emotional along some metric,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: then we support them. If they are more stressed out
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: by family conflict, then that is an indication to support them,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Hannah Cox, what is it an indication for you? It
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: appears to be an indication to mock and belittle them,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at, And to say, oh, you're emotional.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: So what if men are more emotional than women? Is
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: that not a call to support them like it would
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: be for women? Like this is what I'm getting at.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Her attitude towards this is like it's like a gotcha. Well,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: then your assumption, Hannah, is that men should be less
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: emotional than women, and that when men evince some kind
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: of vulnerability, some kind of emotional vulnerability, that you get
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: to mock them and shove your lady testicles in their face.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what that would look like,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: but anyway, so you get to mock them instead of
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: actually considering them for support when they have any kind
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: of emotional vulnerability like I'm not. I'm like, I know
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: this might be offensive, but I'm here to support men
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: even in a situation where they may have more anxiety
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: than women or be more emotionally affected from something like yes,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: then we support them, right, And her attitude is, Oh,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: you're not living up to this, this this image that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: I have of you, and I'm going to mock you
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: and shame you based on it. Well, then that means
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: you're invested in that image of men, and Hannah like,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're using like this is what I'm saying.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: She's using it as a gotcha because she thinks that's
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: the role that men should occupy. But at the same time,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: she doesn't give men credit for her own expectation that
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: they occupy that role, which is some really pretzelne logic there. Okay, sorry, guys.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: That's okay. I got as I got a super chat
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: from D five oh three because this twenty Mexican pesos
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: and says most women.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: Act like children. I think they're Mexican pesos MX.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: So thank you. All right, let's listen to some more
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: of this and then we're gonna go to Amala.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: Likely to leave their dying wives and move on if
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: their woman has a terminal.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is bullshit.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, men are more likely to leave their wives.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what they do. They construct this, this
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: world in which of bullshit. Like we've actually looked at this.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: This was pea hacking. You know, they just they divided
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: up the illness that men would leave their wives over.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: So fine, it's like men leave their wives when their
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: wives are bipolars, uh, survivors of of of I don't know.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: A time specific so that.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Age three c who have a a club of foot
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: and respiratory issues. Oh like they and you know, so
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: they slice it as thin as they can to find
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: and then they say, oh, you know, men leave them
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: in this circumstance, and and then they just sort of
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: waffle off the rest of the of the the sub
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: categories of illness in which men don't leave their wives,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: like and it's this is just total bullshit. This was
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: This is actually called out by somebody who sort of
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: has this as a career, calling out crappy science, and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: yet here she is present it as a pillar of
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: why men suck. You know, don't you grow out of that? Hannah?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Like when you're six, you're like, oh, boys have cuties,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: but you eventually grow out of it, or you're supposed
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: to if you become an adult. But apparently not. Okay,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: All right, you don't see women committing this kind of
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: violence when men en up divorcing them for a young
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: woman and get fifty of the customers.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, just don't see it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: No, you don't see it because you're not You're again
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. You are, you're looking at the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: stuff that you want to see. This is exactly what
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So when you don't know who Jeff
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Younger is, so you're proving what I'm saying. You're claiming that,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: oh well, but this doesn't happen. No, you don't know
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: about it. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You know,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: there's this phenomenon for babies, right, it's called object permanence,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: where if they don't That's why peekaboo works because when
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: you hide your faith, they think you're gone.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: That's what you have.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: You have toddler brain because you think that because you're
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: not aware of something, it doesn't exist. Sorry, and a libertarians,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: this is the thing about like libertarians have pissed me off.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: They think they're so much smarter than everybody because they
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: understand property rights first, first.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Hit, right and right relevant to our interests. Right there
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: you go. Woman shot man in chest, kills a strange
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: husband during divorce, women kills She's still alive. She just
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: attempted to flee wives.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why would they kill themselves? They can kill their
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: man and still have something to live for. Just find
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: some other.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Dude, Hannah said, would probably look at Brenda Watson alleged
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: she was verbally abused by Tommy Kellen before she Todd
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: shot him in the chest. Verbally abused. But that's uh,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: that's you know, that's going to be the construction of
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: her defense, no doubt. And where's where is this?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Where is this? Why isn't this the the new IT case? Right?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Because it's involved a man like that he said it
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: that like there's no there's no super wholesome TikTok video
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: like I saw it on TikTok.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: It must be news.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it now, Like the fact that
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: it's viral is proof.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's proof. Throw it up, Like why aren't we
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: talking about this case? Why aren't we talking about it?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Hannah like this happened like six days ago, right, nobody's
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: talking about it. Nobody cares. Some dude got shot in
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: the chest because he's trying to divorce his wife.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, a Florida woman. No less, you know that's legit.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like, why aren't we talking about this case.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: The Florida woman.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Appurrently she was bringing men home, you know, and uh
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: and she shot him. So it sounds like she was, uh.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Just randomly looked up a crime. I'm just randomly looked
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: at up randomly.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Just woman kills men during divorce And this is Hannah Cox.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: One Google search would have proven you wrong. And ye
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: last week you cannot do it.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Well, the man should have been on TikTok Allison. I mean,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: how else would we know.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: So this is just a matter of where you choose
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: to look. She's constructing a world for herself that her
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: husband apparently lives in good grief. Yeah, let's let's hope
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: he never does anything to bore her or not make
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: her happy. With the series of flaming hoops. You have
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: to jump through.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Played a little bit more of this, and then we'll
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: go to Amala's video.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: The other video.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's not there's not much there, So he's more, let's
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: let's say that she's the less like, you know, let's
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: hate men and more sort of like, let's all calm down.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, it's an outlier event.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: You probably know the names of the women who do
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: those kinds of things because it is so out of
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: left field for a woman to respond in that way.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Men are the ones who cannot control their emotions. Men
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: are the ones who need to learn to grow up,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: and they need to get a hold of themselves. It
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if she cheated or is walking away. She
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: has free will. She has the right to do that.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: That makes her a bad person, absolutely, and I think
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: that you should fight every bit.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Okaya, stop here, all right. So all these men were
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: saying is that she provoked this post.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't even claim that she said. They said
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: she may have right because she divorced him. So like
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that there is a divorce book that preceded
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: the event suggests that the divorce had something to do
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: with the event.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: And that's all they're saying. They're not even blaming her.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: But ye okay, so Hannah Cox, Okay, this is this
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: is infuriating because all this is is watching some like
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: a toddler sitting in front of a bunch of clay
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: and constructing a freaking diorama of what happened. It's like
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: it's artificial. She's just constructed this thing, right, men were saying, Oh,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: this might have happened, She might have been she might
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: have provoked in this way. No, no, because we don't
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: have the information, and she's constructed this entire framework with
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: the conclusion that men suck. Yeah, yeah, I hope, I
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: hope she never turns that laser on her husband. That's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: gotta be some that's gotta be quite the thing. I wonder,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, and we know that she's very, very judgmental
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: when it comes to things like income and all kinds
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: of other stuff, for sure. So if he falters at
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: any moment, her.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Gold digging is just libertarianism, Allison, he.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Falters at any moment, he's already got the laser pinpoint
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: right on him, because the only value that he brings
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: is all of the other stuff. His masculinity being a
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: man is actually negative value that he has to compensate for.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: So the moment he falters in any of these other
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: value propositions, that laser is gonna hit him full force
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: death laser from the sky, and of course, you know,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: and he'll she'll be justified because he's not happy. All right,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all right, a little bit more.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: Make sure you don't have to pay her any money
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: for that. Make sure that you keep fifty percent of
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: the custody. Like that's fine, but you don't have the
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: right to kill someone because they don't want to be
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: with you. And guys, it just goes on and on,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: like literally page after page after page like this, and like, I.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Can't see it. It's it's a.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: I can see it, Okay, Yeah, I guess I can't
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: get I want to try to get a little closer,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: but I can't seem to.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Can you look at it in Yeah, it's a little
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: out of focus? Yeah, okay, wait a second.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so it's it's not it's not great that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: she has this out of focus because you should be
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: able to just take a look at it, right.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I guess you could in theory go
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: to with the thread and look at look at it yourself.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: But again, she's not.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: This. This is the pages and pages. We don't know
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: the backstory here. Yes, it's she a walk away wife?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Was there adultery or abuse, husband's suicide, wife something? Okay,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: So basically this person says, we don't know the backstory,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: and how did Let's go back a little. How is
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: how is Hannah Cox's framing this and this is her choice?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Like she's chosen the worst of it, right?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: You don't have the right to kill someone because they don't.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Nobody's saying they do.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, one's saying that again. This is like poisoning
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the well from the get go.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: She tries to. She starts by saying there's.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: A big age gap like that, Like that's kind of
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: like okay, and so what did the women not make
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: a choice? Okay?
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: It just goes on and on, like literally, page after
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: page after page.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Don't show that they're the only thing you show is
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: there's one guy who says, we don't know the backstory.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I think that you're distorting things, Hannah. Just judging from
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: everything I've seen here, you are constructing a fiction well
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: for which you will not be held responsible.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, yep, all right, are thinking when they go through
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: a divorce, like what their motivations are, what their life
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: is going to look like? You just know these men
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: have never talked to women, at least not in the
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: past like two in.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: Years or so. They're just the types that like sit in.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: There, okay again, and this guy has said, we don't
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: know the backstory.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: He's basically he's clearly just a chud, Allison.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: The chuds don't know how to talk to women.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: They're doing they're analyzing, and they're trying to understand things
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: and presenting you know, possible like uh, hypotheses about what
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: may have led to that. That's just chud behavior. They're
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: just doing that between.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Bounts of World of Warcraft or whatever it is you
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: chuds do ye.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Shutting it up.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: One Colin says, incredibly selfish. These kids will grow up
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: without a father and mother because he thought he was
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: more important. Oh so this person actually calls out the man.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: So what we have and it's a man calling out
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: the men too.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: So we have a man calling out the man, Hannah,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: and in your your chosen example, plus somebody saying, oh,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: we don't know the backstory. These are your chuds, are they?
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: This is just bullshit. She's just selling something, That's what
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: this is. She's just selling a particularly profitable.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. The whole thing is like it's it's
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: so easy, like it's so easy to just be like
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: this is why I harp on the libertarian part, because
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: she's using that as part of her branding to say
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not like the other feminists and then goes on
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: to just say the same shit that all the other
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: feminists say and puts a little spin on it, like
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I'm a gold digger because capitalism is good. So whatever,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: it's all self preservation garbage to me. And I mean
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like all there is to that. There's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: not much else.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the next one.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Amala Obi wan Kenobi and let's see,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: uh she kind of I'll go to the just where
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: she starts talking about the reactions. I will say, full disclosure.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: I like Amala, but that doesn't mean that she gets
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: everything right. But she's not like Hannah Cock. She's way
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: less insufferable. So she's covering this woman's TikTok channel or whatever.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: So if they call it a channel, I don't know,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: And like what kind of content she normally puts up
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: to get a gist of this kind of person. And again,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I think that people are going to be subject to
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: the to being kind of emotionally manipulated by this person's
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: online presence versus like what could be the reality because
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: what people what people put Look, you you mentioned that woman.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're talking.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm prejudiced in the opposite direction. This looks like
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: a narcissist.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Do you know the model? Was it the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: model that killed her boyfriend? Is that the one that
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: you're talking about? Courtney? Yeah, Courtney's something right, So, like
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: no one thought that she could have done that because
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: she was this attractive model, blonde, you know, very pretty girl, know,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: hot body and all of that, and all of her
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: pictures she's just smiling and bathing suits and whatever she's wearing.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: And then we just learned she killed a guy. And
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I think people for people who know, because a lot
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: of people did not know about that story, because that
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't make headlines when women do stuff like that. I mean,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: it should be a lesson, you know, the usual. It's
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: like one of the first things you learn as a child,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: don't judge a book by its cover.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: But these women are doing just that here. So anyway,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: let's play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like ten seconds.
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  Speaker 7: For one of her daughters, a lot of very upbeat,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: positive videos that of course led up to her video
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 7: explaining that she was going to be a single parent.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: Now what's crazy about this is obviously the storyline of
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: her posting this video praising her husband and then him
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: going on to take.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 6: Her life and his own.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: But what's even wilder than that is the responses that
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: I'm seeing online, particularly from men, that are justifying the
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: actions of this, most explaining that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, okay, and then ken, I think this is
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: an error. This is a category error that women make.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: They are not justifying because and it's like women think,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: when you say this was provoked, that's justification because we
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: offer that to women, We say, well, women can't be
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: expected not to resist provocation because they just aren't the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: same kind of creature as men. They just don't have
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: the will to do it. And then so if women
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: kill a man, we say he provoked them, and we
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: offer them a number of defenses that men don't have
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: based on provocation. And then we have the whole branch
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: of feminist scholarship that essentially says that women are not
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: responsible for their domestic violence because men provoke them. Right,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: So there's this cultural attitude that if a woman is provoked,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: that means she's not responsible. Don't have the same cultural
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: attitude men, so they're looking at it from a more
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: masculine framework, which is the provocation exists, but I will
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: still be holding this man responsible for not rising above it.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we also it's good to know what the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: provocation is so that we can talk about ways to
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: prevent this in the future. Like men, when a violent
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: situation happens or something, men are usually I'm not saying
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: it's only men, but like, if we're going to go
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: that down that road, men are going to look at
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: that and say, Okay, how do we prevent this in
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: the future, what do we need to do? And understanding
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: what provoked it is like the first step. That doesn't
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: mean that you justify it.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: But anyway, the way he felt over their divorce and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: the possibility of losing custody, that it made sense that
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: he took this action against Jennifer Sheffield, taking her life.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 7: Let's read some of the tweets that I found here.
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  Speaker 6: This isn't rich Cooper.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Richard Cooper, I think I know him. So
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: he's like a MiG tele guy. If this is the
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: same person, I'll look this up just a confirment later.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: But and again this is this is a selected section
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: of tweets. And at the beginning I pointed out that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: these are people on Twitter making having an opinion. There
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: is literally professors who got tenure, who get accolades for
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: writing he deserved it in papers that inform government interventions
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: into domestic violence. Right, there is a big difference in
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: influence and blast zone. Like these are maybe offensive tweets,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: but we have to every day, like somebody like Justin Tracier,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: has to push back against the institutional attitude that men
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: deserve the violence that's visited on them. Okay, and this
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: is not a new attitude either in the past. I
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: mean it's almost like a bit of a bit of
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: a progress when it comes to male abuse victims, because
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: you know, two hundred three hundred years ago, male abuse
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: victims would be subject to additional punishment. So if a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: man is abused by his wife, the community would then
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: continue to punish him even more. Right, what's the punishment
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: for a man abusing his wife being put in the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: stockades and whipped? What's the punishment for a man being
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: abused by his wife, be put in the stockades and whipped.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: You know, at least we've got a little progress because
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: we don't just immediately criminalize men being abused by their wives.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: There's a few more steps involved now. But there is
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: that attitude that men, when men experience violence, they deserved it.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: And it's it is historical, it is current, it is
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: promoted by very very popular ideologies. It's in our institutions.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Is a big part of our attitude towards male victims
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence. Right, It's everywhere, and it informs police,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: it informs social services. It informs whether or not men
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: get shelters. It informs whether or not men get subject
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: to false accusations by their abusers, whether or not they
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: end up being jailed when they're the ones who are abused.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: It informs all of that. So I would just want
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: to point this out, the relative proportion here. Right, we
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: have an institutionalized narrative and then we have a couple
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: guys beaking off on Twitter and who that themselves may
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: be motivated by men's greater anxiety during race relationship of conflict.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not somebody who's going to be afraid
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: of saying that men might be more emotional in a
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: particular instance because to me, that means we give them
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: more support. Right, So anyway, let's keep going.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, let's keep going. Here we go.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: Who says she's taking the kids and him for everything
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: he's worth. I guarantee that's why he did this. What
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: women do and say are often very different sad outcome.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: Now, what's wild.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: About this is there is absolutely no evidence that exists
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: on the internet in any sort of reporting that Jennifer
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: Sheffield was attempting to take away the kids from this man.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: In fact, if we go based off of the singular
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: video that we have about their relationship, she explains that
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: he's doing really well during the divorce and that he
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: intends to.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: No, no, he's taking it well. And you don't say
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: things like he's taking it well when you know I
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: gave him I gave him a box of cookies. He's
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: taking that well. You know I gave him a phone
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: call on his birthday. He's taking it well. I gave
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: him a million dollars in the settlement. He's taken that well.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: I decided to pay for a trip to Jamaica. He's
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: really taking that well you don't say he's taking it well,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: when you're doing something of benefit to another human being,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: you say that when you know it's harming them, right,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: you know they're rising above their pain and trauma to
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: continue to not affect you. Like, that's how I look
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: at it, That's how I see it.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Like starting a sentence with despite.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Despite, yeah, like yeah.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Despite everything, he's taking it well.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Despite you know, yeah, you know he's taking it well,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: he's taking the beating, well, he's taking the sodomy, well,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: he's taking losing his hand, well, he's taking lose.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: And again, rich Cooper is not justifying anything. He's simply
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: explaining maybe maybe like there is something kind of like,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, un insensitive about using this tragedy to
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: make a point, which maybe rich Cooper was doing. But
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, the tragedy has already happened, and that's not
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: the same as justifying anything. It's simply you know, you
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: could say it's grave standing, but it's not like women
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: don't do this all the time. Also, so.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: What were you saying that we're grave standing?
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm not saying we're great. I'm
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: saying like, there I'm trying to be I wouldn't say
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate, but trying to get like, you know,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: looking at Rich Cooper's comments, saying I guarantee you right,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: because he's just making a prediction and I'm not gonna
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: go back to that, but he's saying, I guarantee you
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: this is what's probably pushed him to this point, and
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: maybe this is an effort to understand it. And what
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is that maybe some people like you know,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Amala Kenobi here or Hannah Cox, although I think Hannah
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Cox's interests are more selfish.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: Are saying, well that I don't think this is appropriate.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: The body's still warm whatever, right, Like it's sort of
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: like using this tragedy to talk about something else so
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: you can make a point.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, But that's the thing. Feminists came in here, and
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: they use this tragedy to make a point about men,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: which is pathological because there's no point to be made
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: about men in this And if there is a point
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: to be made about men, it's that they need more
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: support during relationship conflict, full stop. That's it. Like, right
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: here on this channel, guys, you are hearing the solution
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: that will reduce men's suicide and murder suicide. I don't
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: know if you'll do anything for women. We need to
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: support men when they go through relationship breakdown. If we
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: want to give women the unilateral ability to put that
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: men through the meat grinder, to shove their faces in
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: the ground and to carry it up their ass, we
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: need to give men support in enduring it. Right there,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: you go. Right here, guys, we are saying the thing
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: that will actually reduce the problem. What is Hannah Cox saying, Oh,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for me to feel superior, to win.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: What's this woman saying? Probably just upset? Like she's probably
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: just upset. Feels like, yeah, yeah, I mean that's probably
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's probably that neurotic. Oh, why aren't
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: men giving me a hug? I feel uncertain about something,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: which is fine, Like I allow women to be emotional
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: in their particular way and men to be emotional in
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: their particular way, and it's fine if we all just
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: we're kinder to each other in these circumstances. I think
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: that would make a better world. However, what Hannah Cox
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: is doing and if this woman is doing it too,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: I'll put her in that is not Oh I feel unsure.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: I need to be reassured. Oh, it's it's not the nail.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: I just want a hug because I feel bad now.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: It's not that it is actively establishing men as lesser
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: and I don't like that. I don't think that's justified
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: or justifiable.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I got a super chow from
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: great indoors who gives us ten dollars and says, despite
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: this not being five dollars, I still hope you're taking
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: this well, thank you. He's always got the puns, all right, daughter.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: That they share, and has been doing so through this
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 7: tumultuous time period. Now she was planning to take custody
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 7: away from her husband, would she make a video online
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: explaining just how wonderfully he's taking the process of divorce
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 7: and how wonderfully he's taking care of their child.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: No, possible, No, no, she's not. It's possible because look, if
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: you want to do something, okay, say you have a
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: social media presence.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: This woman has a social media presence. She has a TikTok.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know how big it was, and she is
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: going through a divorce. It is possible that she knew
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: that she was going to destroy this man in the courts.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true. I'm not making a claim
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: because we don't know, but I'm saying it's possible that
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: she could have every intention to destroy this man and
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: take half his money and take the kids from him
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: and everything, but posted a video saying the opposite.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: To guard her ass and protect her reputation.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, why not. Like, I'm not saying it's happening,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying it's possible. We'll never know now, But
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: like the truth is, you know, women are capable of
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: doing that, especially because they do tend to value their
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: social cachet, their social let's say status. You know, if
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: they especially if they have an audience, why wouldn't you
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: go on there and say, oh, he's taking it so well.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy. Everything's so great, guys, everything's great. Everything's great.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: We're so happy he's really cooperative despite everything. And then
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: like you know, back at home, she's like, I'm gonna
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: take everything from you.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: I don't give a shit, right whatever.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: We don't know, Like I know women, I know men
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: who have gone through divorces with women that I've known forever,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: that I've known longer, and they become absolute demons when
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: the divorce comes. I'm I was shocked, but I've seen
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: it multiple times, so I'm not saying it's happening. I'm
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: saying it could happen, and that's not a ridiculous claim
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: to make. But of course I'm being logical, so that
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: means I don't give a.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: Shit, right mm hmmm, yeah, well, I mean honestly, like
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: I said, if you actually care, then you would promote
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: a solution that prevents it going forward. And we have
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: presented it. Right, it's right here, right here, We've got it.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: You know, we know what we would need to do
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: to prevent this occurring again. And yeah, it was a
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: go ahead, but it requires stepping away from using this
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: event as some kind of got you against men and
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: actually recognizing the triggers and the necessity of supporting men
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: through this event. And again it's not it's not supporting murderers,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: supporting men who suicide. You think that if you're actually
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: getting men through events like this, you're helping them deal
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: with the anxiety around these kinds of stuff. You think,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: if you're helping them, you're gonna be helping a lot
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: of men, a lot more men like, if we actually
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: cared about men, we'd realize that the twenty men who
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: suicide for every one man who murders suicides are actually
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: more important even though it involves a woman.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think again this goes back to what
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: I was saying in the beginning. I think that women
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: are well, it's like you said right there, they can't
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: help that they find this terrifying because men are not
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: immediately siding with them on this issue, right, citing against
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: the man who killed his wife and killed himself.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: Oh ye, men are actually expressing themselves.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well they're they're okay.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Mostly they're trying to understand it, and they're vocalizing their
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: analysis like why did this happen?
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: And this is.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Actually to again to give more credit, like to to
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: support men who were saying stuff online about this. This
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: is in part because of the video because if if
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: they're her TikTok video that she put up before she died.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: Because if there was no TikTok video, this wouldn't be
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: a story, Like I said, no one would it would
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't. It would not make the news because there's
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: you can probably find local news stories of you know,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: spouses killing their spouses and or having them killed or
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: being violent or whatever. It happens unfortunately all the time. Okay,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: but this one is special because she had a TikTok video,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: and because there was a TikTok video, this became like
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: this mystery that had to be like, you know, sort
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: of like solved, right, And women landed on the well,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: look at her. She's so wholesome and nice and there
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: she is doing makeup and all, and suddenly and she
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: said all these nice things about how supportive her man
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: is and suddenly he killed her. Well, they see it
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: as oh my god, like a switch happened. Men could
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: just do this at any time, or they'll suggest, well,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: maybe these things were darker and she didn't know. It's
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: like it's soap opera shit, right. Meanwhile, men are see
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: this and they're like, well, what what could this be.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think this guy just lost it one day,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: you know, And so they would try to understand it
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: and explain it. And because they're not just jumping on
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: the side of what the women are saying, which is,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: oh my god, men are so awful there.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: Women are worried.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, he's they're not siding with me,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: they're siding with him, they're siding with the murderer. But
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: then they're not they're just not jumping on board. They're
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: not jumping on the let's all, let's all hate men.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: Better reckon there's there's another possibility. Then if that's the case,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: it feels like a loss of control. But this is
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: something that I think is going to become more prevalent.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Not less women are losing control over men's women are
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: stop just caring as much about making women feel good.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm seeing and it's probably going to
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: accelerate as more and more men realize that there probably
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: isn't a woman in it, in participation in the society,
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: and even if there is, they're probably not going to
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: get her by being submissive.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, these videos, well no Amala's video ultimately
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: is just saying that she's like men should be more
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: like why aren't men more empathetic?
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Why are they? That's and that's the thing, like women
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: are asking for something that men don't think is appropriate.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: It's not that they don't have the capacity to have it,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: but they're like, why would I why would I do this?
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: When I don't know what the situation is, and men
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: are trying to analyze it and be rational and try
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: to understand it. But women don't want it to be understood.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: They just want it to be They just want to
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: be supported, unconditional.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: They wanted to be about Yeah, like.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: Like again, they don't they don't know this woman, they
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: don't know who she is from Adam. But when her
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: video came up and it became a viral story, all
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, she was all women. That's what happened.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: They she became all women, and then all the women
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: were like, well, why wait, you don't you don't You're
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: you're trying to you're trying to justify this.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: No, oh yeah, you know, so we have more time
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: codes to go for this. Actually, we didn't watch the
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: video that she put out. I don't think the woman.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: The We did. We watched it at the beginning of
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: the show for the content we did tik talk video.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we did. We watched it at the beginning.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Well, let's finish, let's word damn it.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 7: But thanks for your input, Richard, to which Gea McCool responds,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 7: and this is a woman, She responds to this correct
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 7: it's why she went to social media for validation.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 6: Now, I'll be the first to.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 7: Say I'm not a fan of people going on social
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 7: media airing out their dirty laundry for the PubL But
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 7: it didn't seem as though she was doing that for validation.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: It seemed no.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: It did like she was looking for help. She was
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: looking for help in part. But I think again, I
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's like a social what's the words. She
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: has a parasocial relationship with her followers. She wanted to
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: tell them what she was going through, but she wanted
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: to make herself look like the good guy. It doesn't
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: mean that she knew something bad was gonna happen. She
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: probably didn't, But it was just in case her divorce
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: became more dramatic because of other stuff that might be
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: going on, is what I'm saying. It's like covering your ass.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: So let's say he didn't kill her, and let's say
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: instead it became a really like, you know, a knockdown,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: drag out battle for the kids and half the property
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And let's say he decided he was going
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: to fight for his kids for whatever reason. We don't
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: really know. That could get out into social media, and
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: then she would already have her story set up because
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: she made this really nice video. So now her followers
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: will be like, oh my god, that poor woman. She
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: just does make up videos and fashion and hairdo videos.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: How could this man be so mean to her? And
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I'm saying I don't know if
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: that's true, but I'm saying it's it's not outside the
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: realm of possibility, Like why would why would she put
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: out a video airing her dirty laundry?
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, women over share all the time,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: but that could be like that. The thing is that
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: we have a situation where we're entertaining all the possibilities,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Like maybe he was a down low violent abuse her.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe she would.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: And why she married him and have kids with him,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: like you know, like it's just he's such a terrible person,
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: then why are you with him making babies?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: Even in Hannah Cox's example, people knew. They just apparently
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: just ignored it. Yeah, which is weird, but whatever, like that,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: that's certainly the type of person you are, Hannah. But uh,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: like so maybe maybe it's all download abuse. Maybe he
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: was the abused husband who ended up killing his wife
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason during an incident of abuse, maybe she
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: verbally abused him. I don't know. I'm just I'm just
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: taking off on the excuse of the one woman who
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: shot her husband in the chest. But here's the thing,
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: we don't know because we need more background. We got
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit of background maybe from that one super
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: chat child of.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: Women killing their babies and children, plenty.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: Of them, yeah, plenty. And we got a little bit
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: of background that maybe he that one of the kids
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: was was a product of infidelity.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Was it possibly not his child POSSI.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: We don't know. Both of these women are bringing a
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of narrative stuff to this situation that we
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: don't know about, and they are complaining that men are saying,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: we don't know. What I can tell The only thing
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: I can tell from what Hanna Cocks presented. Because there's
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: one man who was actually calling out the other guy
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: for saying that, you know, there's more to the story,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: and then the other guy was saying, but there's more
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: to the story, we don't know. And then this woman
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: has a man who says, you know, there's more to
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: the story, I think, and then a woman says, exactly,
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: so we don't even have a consistent opinion in the
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: genders over this, right from the evidence that they're presenting,
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: there's not even a consistent there's not even a consensus
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: between men and women. And yet somehow man bad Okay,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: all right, you know, I'm getting really sick of this.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: Does anybody else finding is sort of boring, sort of tedious?
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: It is getting tedious. Yeah, you might say that it's
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: also tiresome.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: Tiresome, exhausting, very media illiterate. That's the new thing, right, Okay, I'm.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: Gonna right, that's it.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah here, yeah, okay.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: All right, I want to thank everybody. I shouldn't have
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: gone right to that. I yeah, this is uh, this
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: is the thing. Yeah, we'll live, all right. If you
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• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: this is this is really done the rounds. It's yet
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: another and and people like I've I've had guys getting
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: upset over this because it's like, oh, I wish And
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: this is the funny thing. Sometimes you get a guy
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: who says, I wish men wouldn't do this. I'm like,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: that's never gonna stop. But like, there's always going to
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: be incidents like this because this is an extremely stressful situation.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: It's extremely it's even more stressful for men. They get
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: no support, they get no recognition, they get no understanding,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: they get nobody that says, hey, maybe don't push them
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: even further, you know. And and if they did, maybe
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: people would say, to this woman, just don't make it public, right,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: it's not worth it. Let's just have a little bit
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: of little bit of consideration. This is something you don't
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: want to overshare over.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: And it would be good to just prevent this kind
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: of thing happening in the future by understanding the construction
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: of it. Right. And but it's like, this is gonna happen,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: and you are going to have these women immediately latch
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: onto the this to say something about all men, because
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: that's the point. They want to have moral dominance over men.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: They want to present the idea that they are self
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: righteous and they want to have gotcha's like that. I
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: don't know about this individual who's on screen now, but
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: Kenna Cox is definitely all about the gotchas.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: Gotcha No, I think Amala is, Uh, she's kind of
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: like her approach is a little bit more like a
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: big sister or a mother, like please, like let's all
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: calm down kind of thing. I mean, she does obviously
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: miss in she doesn't read the room well when it
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: comes to what men are saying. But I again, I
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: think I just sort of like write that off to uh, generally,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: that's how women are going to see this, like, because
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's just women are wired like that.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 4: I don't have anything against them.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: Ala, really, I mean if I could talk to her,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: I tell her, like, you know, how she's wrong.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: But I think she's she's all.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: Right, she's trying.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: But uh, but Ahanna Cox obviously a bad actor. I
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: think that's absolutely a grift. It's like, oh, here's another
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: opportunity for me to blame men for something and shane
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: men blame the moral high ground and get more subs
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: from who agree with me.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: Would blaming men is blaming men going to result in
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: less dead women?
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: No?
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: Or dead Men. It's not so what they're doing is
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: not going to do anything, and it will take attention
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: away from things that will what will result unless dead
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: People is actually getting men support if in fact what's
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: happening is that they're going through an incredibly stressful situation
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: with no support. In fact, their their main support is
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: walking out and staying things like you're taking this well yeah,
• 2:17:27
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• 2:17:40
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• 2:17:43
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• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: that did need to be covered. Yeah yeah, all right,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: so thank you Richard Bier for that. And uh yeah,
• 2:17:54
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