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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on March Madness, Final Four this weekend, Future outlook for BYU + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Jonathan, welcome, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good man, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: last week in Pittsburgh, and then when I'm home, I
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  Speaker 2: So I'm a lucky man in so many ways.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing, man, that's amazing. You know the world, the
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  Speaker 1: world is a big place, Sean, but sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sports makes it feel like it's small. So that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear. Glad that you and.
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  Speaker 4: Sound thank you. I appreciate you saying that. Let's talk
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  Speaker 4: a little NCAA basketball. This tournament has been interesting, but
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  Speaker 4: it felt like we had to wait until the Elite
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  Speaker 4: eight to get that like holy bleep kind of game
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  Speaker 4: kind of finish. And of course I'm referencing the Yukon
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  Speaker 4: Duke nineteen point comeback by Yukon and then the buzzer
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  Speaker 4: beater by a guy who is just cold all game long,
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  Speaker 4: a freshman who look he's at Yukon he's a former
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  Speaker 4: Indiana mister basketball. It's not like he's a nobody. But
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  Speaker 4: it had not been his day up until that point.
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  Speaker 4: And then an effort play you end up getting a
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  Speaker 4: ball back from Duke and they're they're probably just gonna
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  Speaker 4: be haunted by that turnover and he ice is one.
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  Speaker 4: What was your reaction when you saw that ball go in?
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  Speaker 1: I mean my reaction as it got to that point. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I had step away from the TV when the game
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  Speaker 1: was up thirteen, and I was like, this is over,
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe that Duke allowed him to come back,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And but it's just one
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  Speaker 1: of those things that you just don't stop playing, and
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  Speaker 1: you just don't stop playing obviously, as I you know,
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  Speaker 1: rewatched the lesson the rest of the game and saw
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  Speaker 1: that highlight over and over again. You know, when you
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  Speaker 1: believe in yourself and you know, it's it's interesting, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: the more someone works hard and the more time they
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  Speaker 1: put into something, the luckier they are. And you know
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  Speaker 1: that shot that he made, you know, he was in
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  Speaker 1: riddom and he looked like he's in ridom and he
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  Speaker 1: shot like I'm gonna make this and so what a
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  Speaker 1: super cool story for him to go back home to
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  Speaker 1: Indiana with the final four being there, and uh, but
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, what a colossal and monumental you know, breakdown
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  Speaker 1: and just melt down by Duke. That was crazy to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about it from that perspective, because obviously
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  Speaker 4: for Yukon, they're elated and they're overjoyed. And if you're Duke,
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  Speaker 4: you had that game in hand. I'm sure you saw
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  Speaker 4: this stat But I'll drive the point home again. A
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  Speaker 4: number one seed up fifteen points at the half in
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  Speaker 4: a tournament game, up until that loss had won one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and thirty four games and never lost that That
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  Speaker 4: is now one thirty four to one, with Duke being
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  Speaker 4: the only one seed with a fifteen point lead at
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  Speaker 4: the half to squander that lead. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 4: a truly an historic breakdown by a team that's producing
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  Speaker 4: either the number one, number two, number three draft pick
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  Speaker 4: in the upcoming draft, and has a bunch of other
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  Speaker 4: really high level, blue chip type players. How do you
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  Speaker 4: reconcile that if you're Duke, if you're the coaching staff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, first of all, most of those
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  Speaker 1: guys you know that the draft picks, right, Ken Boozer
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  Speaker 1: is all but gone. And you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about Cayden, you know, but he had a fine season.
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  Speaker 1: And again, you don't win and lose a game on
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  Speaker 1: one possession, right, You don't win or lose a game
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  Speaker 1: on the last shot. But man, and what a heartbreaker,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a great tournament. I mean, you know, pretty
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  Speaker 1: much of the swootet sixteen and everybody that should have
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  Speaker 1: gotten there did a few exceptions here and there, but
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  Speaker 1: no Cinderella's right, And I don't know, I it will
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see how next season plays out, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It Just the NCAA right now feels like the NBA
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  Speaker 1: was as you know, the less collective argument agreement expired
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  Speaker 1: in the TV contract kicked in where you just saw
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  Speaker 1: salary caps, you know, going up and up by twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty percent. And I it's since I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I see an end in sight, right, And neither did
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  Speaker 1: the NBA into this last year where you know, next season,
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  Speaker 1: teams salary cap will be reduced by ten percent and so.
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  Speaker 1: But the world of collegiate right now and is specifically
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  Speaker 1: about college basketball. You know, I was talking to someone
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  Speaker 1: I'm very close to in the junior college ranks and
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  Speaker 1: one of his players that is just a it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a role player at a Division one. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to get seven hundred thousand dollars in NIL, like
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  Speaker 1: that's the contract. And so you know, the world is crazy,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I think that you're seeing the quality
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  Speaker 1: of the team then, you know, aside from Indiana pretty much,
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  Speaker 1: and you know probably by by you has a lot
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  Speaker 1: more to do with the injuries. Right, teams that invested
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  Speaker 1: heavily in the NIL and in the portal are are
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  Speaker 1: seen the dividends payoff right now.
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  Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabernari is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 2: Uh final four matchup.
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  Speaker 4: Michigan, who's been so dominant to this point in the tournament,
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  Speaker 4: now runs up against I think they're equal in a
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  Speaker 4: team like Arizona, and a lot of folks have said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: whoever wins this one, Well, they are the favorite from
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  Speaker 4: a betting standpoint in the upcoming matchup with whoever comes
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  Speaker 4: off the other side of that bracket. You're a lot
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  Speaker 4: more familiar with Arizona than some of these other teams
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  Speaker 4: because of the obvious connection with BYU and Utah and
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  Speaker 4: the Big Twelve Conference. Does Arizona have what it takes
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  Speaker 4: to slow down the juggernaut of this Michigan Wolverine's team.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Sean, I still remember when we
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  Speaker 1: had the show right after the BYU Arizona game in Provo,
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  Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, like, in the first thirty
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  Speaker 1: minutes of that game, Arizona looked like they could probably
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  Speaker 1: compete with an NBA team. I am not exaggerating. They
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  Speaker 1: look incredible. They I mean to your point about looking
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  Speaker 1: like a juggernaut. They look like the number one team
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  Speaker 1: in the country. And it wasn't even closed. And so
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  Speaker 1: Michigan has been very consistent, and I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: fair thing to say. But it will be a matchup
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  Speaker 1: made in heaven. I just don't see it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: whoever comes out of the out of the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the bracket, you know with UKN, I just I
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  Speaker 1: just don't see it, either of them being Michigan or Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually have Arizona going to the championship game.
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  Speaker 4: Man, what would that do for the Big Twelve Conference.
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  Speaker 4: It's been a long time since the Big Twelve produced
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  Speaker 4: a national champion. Uh, and you're looking at you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's been a long time since the Big Ten produced
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  Speaker 4: the national champion too, which I guess is more surprising
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  Speaker 4: to me. But if Arizona can finally get over the
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  Speaker 4: hump and win a national championship, and that's the league
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  Speaker 4: that we've talked about, as you know, being arguably the
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  Speaker 4: best basketball league in the country, Arizona is the one
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  Speaker 4: who would be would be.
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  Speaker 2: Bringing it home.
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  Speaker 4: But Houston had such a great year, Iowa State had
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  Speaker 4: such a great year before the injuries. BYU was so
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  Speaker 4: heavily talked about what would to do for the state
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  Speaker 4: of the conference if one of their members brings home
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  Speaker 4: a national championship.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Sean, I would also add Texas tack. Texas tack
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  Speaker 1: was high of course, yeah, into into into j T.
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  Speaker 1: Toppin got hurt, right and you know, and so listen,
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  Speaker 1: I think you would solidify, you know, the Big Twelve
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  Speaker 1: as the eighth conference when it comes to basketball. Now
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  Speaker 1: to your point, right, I mean those are the heavily favorite,
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  Speaker 1: like the perennial favorites, you know, Michigan and Arizona. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just have a hard time, man. I
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  Speaker 1: think Yukon is going to steamroll against Illinois, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, afterwards, Arizona is gonna smack Yukon. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a close game. If Arizona
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  Speaker 1: is able to to be Michigan super cool story out
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  Speaker 1: of Illinois with you know, Andre Stayakovic, Beajia Sayakovic son,
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  Speaker 1: and there's certainly a good team, right I Just to
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  Speaker 1: your point, it's feels like a massive gap between Arizona
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  Speaker 1: and Michigan and even to Yukon. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people say a lot of different things
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  Speaker 1: about uh Den Hurley, but three final fours and four
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  Speaker 1: years sean, I mean you can kind of talk bad
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  Speaker 1: about the man, but my gosh, I mean, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 1: take those odds even if your coach was kind of
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  Speaker 1: a weirdo? You know? And uh I certainly would. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard to beat, you know, to bat against
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  Speaker 1: Den Hurley. But you know, and I thought it was crazy,
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  Speaker 1: you know when he kind of has his jacket off
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  Speaker 1: and he's over there but you know, head bumping to
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  Speaker 1: the officials. He's definitely a character. But what what a
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  Speaker 1: what a what a college basketball season? You know, I
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  Speaker 1: definitely understand why people are preferring it over over the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a fantastic season. And you know Porto
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  Speaker 1: season is upon us, and uh, you know it is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the next three four weeks. I would
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  Speaker 1: say until until for you know, the whole month of April.
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  Speaker 1: It is going to be wild with rumors about by U,
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  Speaker 1: rumors about Utah and everything in between. It would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see everything that happen.
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  Speaker 4: Utah State with another another year, another new coach at
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  Speaker 4: Utah State. They hire the Northern Iowa coach who he's
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  Speaker 4: been there twenty years already. Transfer portal announcements coming although
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't open until what next week? And you and
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  Speaker 4: I have kind of we've mentioned Utah State. We've talked
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  Speaker 4: about I think our mutual respect for what Utah State
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  Speaker 4: has been able to do and remaining a constant presence
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  Speaker 4: up there from a basketball standpoint. What do you know
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  Speaker 4: about coach Jacobson coming in and what do you think
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  Speaker 4: of the Aggies now that they've got to do it
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  Speaker 4: another time introducing a new coach.
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  Speaker 1: Well listen, and nothing but respect for Utah State. I've
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  Speaker 1: always had, you know, very tough minded, uh, very tough minded.
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  Speaker 1: You know university, their fans are you know, they're passionate
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  Speaker 1: like everybody like everything base right. But I I've always
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  Speaker 1: respect the Utah State because when I played there, they
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  Speaker 1: you know, they took a lot of shots at me,
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  Speaker 1: but it was ever personal, tough team to play. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's a great basketball a great basketball town. Right it's
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  Speaker 1: in Logan. There's not much to do there. And uh
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  Speaker 1: and the and you know, the spectrum when it's fact
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  Speaker 1: and it's rocking easily one of the best arenas in
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  Speaker 1: the country bar none. And uh, but you know, they
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  Speaker 1: they they they kind of found themselves AIChE of Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you come over here, you coach for a year or two,
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  Speaker 1: and you do well, and you're gonna get a big,
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  Speaker 1: a big dayDay. Interesting enough, they went after a guy
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  Speaker 1: that you know, there wasn't kind of bouncing around a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. They went after, I don't want to say,
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  Speaker 1: a household like he's being you know, he's a big name,
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  Speaker 1: but he was coaching you know where he was for
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  Speaker 1: twenty years and uh, and I thought it was super
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  Speaker 1: high class of him to go and and give a
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  Speaker 1: press conference before he gets to Logan. You know. But
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to have to figure out because you know,
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  Speaker 1: as it was released, their nil budget was you know,
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  Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars, if not less. But
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  Speaker 1: but but it goes to show that if you just
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  Speaker 1: get the right mix of guys that buy into it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one on one side it's said because everybody's
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  Speaker 1: going to be playing for their next contract. The other
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  Speaker 1: side is really great because you got a great college
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  Speaker 1: season out of your favorite team.
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  Speaker 4: Carson Templan, who was the Mountain West Conference sixth Man
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  Speaker 4: of the Year, was kind of a cult hero up there,
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  Speaker 4: a logan awesome player. He's announced his intentions to head
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  Speaker 4: into the transfer portal. Is that a guy you'd like
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  Speaker 4: to see on BYU's team?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe? And I say maybe, not because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's a good player. I say maybe because between him
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  Speaker 1: Jake Kwaleen, and I'll probably pick one of them. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't pick both. And this is not a knock on
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  Speaker 1: either of them, but the state of college basketball and
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  Speaker 1: the roster the BYU has next year, you have space
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  Speaker 1: for one of them, you don't have space for both
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  Speaker 1: of them, And so I think they're both fantastic players.
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  Speaker 1: My personal preface will probably be Jake Qui Leen I
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  Speaker 1: love Jake Qui Leen. I've always been a fan of his.
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  Speaker 1: Carson had a tremendous season. I was a former six
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  Speaker 1: Man of the Year in Mounthwest, So it's a great
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  Speaker 1: honor to have and uh but again, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think he is going to have some offers and I
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  Speaker 1: think Sean it brings a point, right and I know
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the focus will shift a little bit
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  Speaker 1: these next few months. But you know what type of
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  Speaker 1: roster is BYU going to build. Now, They're gonna build
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  Speaker 1: another roster that is top heavy, and it is going
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  Speaker 1: to be filled with with you know, two three players
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  Speaker 1: that will carry the load. Are they going to spread
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  Speaker 1: the helpful a little bit? How are they going to
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  Speaker 1: do it? And you know, it will be interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see the way that Kevin Young and his brother Justin
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  Speaker 1: Young formulate and put together a team. You know, for
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  Speaker 1: b are you and even more so are the boosters
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  Speaker 1: and the collective is going to be as generous as
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  Speaker 1: they were this last year with AJ.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think they will be?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I the conversations I've had, because that's a
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  Speaker 4: question you have to ask. If you don't get any
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  Speaker 4: kind of return on investment, not a real one, of course,
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  Speaker 4: but an emotional one. Are you willing to make that
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  Speaker 4: investment again next year?
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  Speaker 2: Are you?
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  Speaker 4: Is it because you know you were willing to kind of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, reach deeper into the pocketbook because you believed
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  Speaker 4: in what aj Debonca represents and you believed in his talent.
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  Speaker 4: And look, they got another five star kid coming in.
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  Speaker 4: So I'll be some some sort of continuation is happening.
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  Speaker 4: But you're a lot more dialed in and connected in
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  Speaker 4: that world than I am. So do you get a
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  Speaker 4: sense that there's hesitation from the supporters or is this
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  Speaker 4: something that maybe woke people up and said, hey, it's
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  Speaker 4: it's not just about that, but we have to keep investing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so I'm gonna give you my two cents, which
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  Speaker 1: is I think people are waiting to see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the bucket books aren't as ready to be
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  Speaker 1: open and signed and filled out as they were last year.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, and no disrespect to Bruce Brown, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but Bruce Branch is an incredible player. He's a five stars,
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  Speaker 1: a McDonald's All American. He's playing tonight in the McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: All American Game. But you know, it's not a fair
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  Speaker 1: comparison to compare him in AJ totally completely two different players.
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  Speaker 1: AJ is a one of one guy, polarizing right market
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  Speaker 1: itself amazingly and so but it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: that the fact of the matter is, you are you
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  Speaker 1: losing in the way they did the Tennessee in the
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  Speaker 1: first round was very unexpected, very very unexpected, even even
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  Speaker 1: with all the injuries, a first round exit, and especially
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  Speaker 1: with the way they play. I can tell you from
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  Speaker 1: a conversation that I've had with Boosters, not all of
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  Speaker 1: them are thrilled. It's not something that they are, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're completely understanding a fine of it. There
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  Speaker 1: will be some there will there are conversations happening right
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  Speaker 1: now about how things will play out for next year.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's why I said it will be an
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  Speaker 1: interesting next couple of next couple of weeks, definitely in Cougartown.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw this, but Doug Gottlieb
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  Speaker 4: was on with Colin Cowherd and there's like a one
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  Speaker 4: minute SoundBite clipped out of it about how he talks
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  Speaker 4: about how AJ debonce is the most tampered with Guy
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  Speaker 4: uh in basketball, and their their conversation is about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the prediction that Aj de Bonsa will lend up as
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  Speaker 4: a member of the Utah Jazz, the obvious connection between
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Smith, BYU, the prep school down south, whatever, and look,
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  Speaker 4: it's a salty take from Doug Gottlieb. And this is
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  Speaker 4: a Utah radio station, so there's plenty of salty opinions
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  Speaker 4: toward the Jazz owner, the contributions to the BYU basketball program,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. I look at it the AJ situation specifically,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, this is this is a mutually
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  Speaker 4: beneficial thing for the kid. He's getting a lot of money,
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  Speaker 4: he represented the program well, and the program did good
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  Speaker 4: things while they had a healthy team. And if he
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  Speaker 4: ends up on the Utah Jazz, great because then even
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  Speaker 4: as a ute fan, you can root for him. He's
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: it seems like the kind of guy you want to
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  Speaker 4: root for. Seeing the national perspective or one national perspective
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  Speaker 4: on that, and seeing how salty people are about the
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  Speaker 4: fact that Aj Debonsa had his path to BYU and
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  Speaker 4: maybe even to the Utah Jazz pretty clearly laid out.
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  Speaker 4: I guess surprised is the wrong word, but it was
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  Speaker 4: interesting to me because if it were some kind of
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  Speaker 4: situation where you know, this was illegal and you were
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  Speaker 4: paying for a kid schooling in nineteen ninety seven, or
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: we were talking about this happening in two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 4: That's a different animal now, BYU and Ryan Smith and
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: aj Debonsa, they're all just participating in this market economy
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  Speaker 4: that is fully encouraged and legal, and everyone else in
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  Speaker 4: the country is doing it. So it felt strange to
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  Speaker 4: me that that was an example singled out at least
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  Speaker 4: in that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so I got I got recruited by by Doug's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: dad when when I was playing AAU when I first
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: got to America. And uh, and so I've known the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: family for a while, you know, I knowed them. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: don't know them super well, but you know, in passing
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  Speaker 1: we remember each other. He will remember me. That's an
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: interesting guy, right, And uh, he's a very passionate guy. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he's made his name and his fortunes being a sports
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  Speaker 1: talk radio show guy. Right. I. I think it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: that people are complaining about this, right, I mean especially
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know, you look at the way that the Luka,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Doncic and Cooper flag situation where the Dallas Mavericks came
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to be, and you know, I will say this, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: would be thrilled with the Utah Jazz getting the number
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: one pick. I grew up a Laker fan. I've always
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: been a Laker fan. I you know, I remember Kobe
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: when he first got to the NBA, and that was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the main reason why I became a Laker fan, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I've been ever since. Now. I very much cheer for
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the Jazz one because that's my home state team here
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in America too. I'm very good friends with Ryan and uh,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and so if it happens, I think it's great.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But it is interesting at the things that people like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to pickpoint and share all these things, right, you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it reminds me of that meme that you've probably seen
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: it Sean, when it was like, you know, Alabama was
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: having much more fun in college football when they're the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: only ones paying players, and you know what I mean.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Like it now that everybody pays, it's a little bit
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: different and and and it's it's interesting because a j
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to your point, he represented BYU. He stood for one
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of the you know, truly stood for all the university
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: stands for. And uh, he is a remarkable young man,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't just about money. That's what people really
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: truly don't understand. He could have gotten to places that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: would have paid him more, but you know, it's one
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of those things that there is more to it. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and and even with his own dad, even with himself
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: saying that it's not about the money, you know, people
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: still don't believe it. And that's fine. I would love
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: for Aj to ended up with the Utah Jazz. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: think that he would be a starter from day one,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you know, But it's it's it's funny to me when
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: people complain about this when you know, you see teams
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like Indiana and Basketball spend as much as they did
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and and not even make it to the NCAA tournament.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And so it was Dougs. It was Doug's topic of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the day to be able to get, you know, to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: drive some traffic to to his show.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, j T.
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  Speaker 4: I always appreciate you giving us some time in your perspective.
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  Speaker 4: You said, you have Arizona going to the National Championship Game,
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  Speaker 4: do you have them winning it?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I do, I do. I I originally I had to do,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: but Duke is gone now and so I would go
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: with Arizona and U Conplaine for the championship in Arizona,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: winning by fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks j T.
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