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Iran Lays Down the Law | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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right, here's what we got going, and I'll just
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go down it. Trump, once again, musing about blowing
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up the entire nation of Iran, whether he should
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do that. The Congressional Budget Office and
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the Pentagon have just released the latest figures
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for the current cost of Trump and Israel's war
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against Iran, $43.6 billion through September
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3rd. And, of course, that was two weeks ago,
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so it's more now. Bombs, missiles, and other
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munitions account for more than 60% of that
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extraordinary amount of money. Security Chief
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Mohsen Rezaei has laid out a new set of conditions
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that the Islamic Republic has in order to end
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its war with the United States. And we will go
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through those. Mostly it's stuff that you already
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heard, but there's one or two really big new
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ones that you're going to want to know about.
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And then Trump says that the arch in D.C. is
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going to be a military complex that's going to
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have drones, snipers, ammunition. I'm kind of
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hoping it has a water slide and
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all sorts of cool stuff that any nine-year-old
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boy would want to have because it definitely
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sounds like the fantasies of a nine-year-old
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boy. Hydrofoil, gotta have that. It's right
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by the river, right, so you could have
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that. And let's see two other things. Greenland
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and Denmark have apparently caved in to the Donald,
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and we'll get into that. And Trump has banned
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journalistic stenographers from the White House,
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from CNN, MS NOW, and Politico. And so we'll get
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into all that. If you have a question, please
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put it in the live chat between 9 and 11 a.m.
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Eastern time here. 9 and 11, that's right, new
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time. And we will be, and producer Robby West
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will put those up in the live chat. We take the
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questions either on YouTube or on Rumble. Okay,
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that's a lot of chit-chat. Okay, we have a few
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questions here, and then we'll just get to it.
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Jackson, Ted, if Ben-Gvir becomes the prime
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minister, will he nuke Gaza and destroy all
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holy sites in Jerusalem? Your thoughts as well,
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Jamarl Thomas and Robby. The idea of Ben-Gvir
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becoming the prime minister of Israel is bone-chilling.
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So it's not to say that Israel is in
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good hands under Benjamin Netanyahu. Far from
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it. But it is. Oh, by the way, I should also
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remind everyone. Tomorrow, Benjamin Moser, the
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Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Anti-Zionism,
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A Jewish History, will be joining us in the nine
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o'clock hour to talk about his new book. I strongly
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recommend that you at least check,
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maybe do a quick Google search and find out what
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it's about. But the title is self-explanatory,
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and it is a serious eye-opener for anybody who's
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ever bought into the bullshit that
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all Jews are Zionists, all Zionists are
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Jews. Far from it. And it has not been like that
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since the very, very beginning. So
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I think this is maybe seriously fuck
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Donald Trump, fuck Columbia University. This
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is probably the biggest, the most effective thing
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that anyone will ever do to counter anti-Semitism
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ever is this book. And okay, let's see. Oh, and
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what do you, oh yeah, sorry. You should answer,
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you guys should answer Jackson's question about
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Ben-Gvir. Yeah, it's terrifying. It
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would be honest. It would be honest. But as you
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point out, Netanyahu, in many respects, is strange
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enough, moderate in comparison to some of the
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other creatures such as Ben-Gvir. Yeah, it
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would be, how dramatic of a nightmare
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could it be, I suppose? Netanyahu. Everything
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can get worse. No matter how bad it is, it can
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always get worse. That is true. That is true.
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Robby? Yeah, I don't know. I guess from my point
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of view, it would be honest. It's the face
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that they present to the world anyway.
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I suppose he can nuke or try to nuke Iran. I
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suppose that. And since it's getting worse,
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they're already taking Gaza. They're already
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following through on Ben-Gvir's building ideas
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in regards to the settlements and everything
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else. They already protect settlers in the West
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Bank. I suppose he can give them weapons and
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have the military go directly into the West Bank.
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Meaning it could get worse. I don't doubt it.
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Oh, yeah. How much worse could it? I think that
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he would officially annex Southwest Syria, the
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West Bank, Gaza. I don't see him nuking anything
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because the ecological damage that would do to
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Israel would be pretty significant. But as far
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as... Then why do they have nukes? If they have
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nukes but can never use those nukes, then what's
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the point of having the nukes? Oh, you can 100%
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use them. You can use them right there on your
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border. That would be like... Oh, you mean against
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the West Bank or against? As crazy as
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I am, not even I would nuke Tijuana.
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That would be, I think the word would be bad.
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So I wish Ben-Gvir was stupid. He's not. He's
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very smart. I would prefer if he was stupid and
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evil, but he's evil and intelligent. So no, I
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can 100% see him nuking around. Who's going
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to stop him? No, and if he does, what will Donald
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Trump do? What would the Russians do? What would
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the Chinese do? Absolutely nothing. I don't know.
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I gotta be honest, that's a blind spot to me.
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What the world does after, because nukes are
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a third rail. That's a flashing red
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light, bright strobe light. For the
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gay bar in the mid-80s. Yeah, yeah, I don't think
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that countries would just be like, oh well. I think
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they would be collectively losing their shit.
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But I could be wrong. We just watched them commit
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a genocide and the world collectively yawned.
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No, I get that. Yeah, but that's also happened
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before. The world collectively yawned at previous
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genocides, right? But nukes have only been used
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in the course of World War II, and at a time
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when they were brand new and nobody
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even, we understand what nukes do because of Hiroshima
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and Nagasaki. So there was no red
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line in the sand because it was a complete
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unknown. I can't.
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Look, that's the thing, right? I'm really good
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at pattern recognition, but there's no pattern
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here because this has never happened
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before, so we don't know what would happen.
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It might well be, Robby could very
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well be right. It could be a
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whole lot of nothing happening. But it could
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also be like holy shit. It could be anything
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in between. Well, people are going to freak
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out. The point is they're not going to do
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anything. First of all, the only nation on the
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planet I could think of that would retaliate
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if Israel used a nuke would be Pakistan. What
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would happen because India is so firmly in the
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Zionist sphere? What would happen if Pakistan fired
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nukes at Israel? India would light them up and
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they know it. And they're not going to trade.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't think so? Why do
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you think India would get involved if Pakistan
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goes after Israel? Because there's so many Zionists
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in India. Oh, I don't buy that, Robby. Look,
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from my point of view, I do have a model for
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that. Countries are cynical entities. They function
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in their own self-interest. Unless there's some
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kind of weird ideological stuff, like Ansarallah,
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under normal circumstances, what is in our collective
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specific interests? If Iran gets attacked, Russia's
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not getting involved, despite the fact that Russia
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doesn't want Iran to fall. Pakistan also doesn't
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have the range. Its missiles don't have the range
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to strike Israel with any accuracy. Well, in
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which case, then nothing would happen. Because
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if Pakistan can't strike back, the rest of the
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world is going to do nothing. If Israel nuked
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Tehran tomorrow, no one will do anything. Maybe
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an email would be sent. Well, I do know one thing.
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Iran would launch any and everything at their
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disposal to end the state of Israel. That's true.
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Meaning there will be no Israel after Israel
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does that. That's true. I don't think there would
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be. I think Iran would just go. At that point,
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it's existential. All bets are off. Anybody that
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is even, it's apocalyptic at that point. Yeah, it's
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apocalyptic. And yeah, but beyond that I don't
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know. Listen, I hope this is one time I would absolutely
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I think the Israelis know that, right? The Israelis
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obviously know that too. All right, we should
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move on. They do, they do. All right, so let's
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we want to talk since we're on the topic of Iran.
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And by the way, thanks to Makadin for becoming
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a member of the show. We appreciate you.
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So, all right. Should we talk about, let's talk about
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Iran. Okay. So security chief, let's take them
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one at a time. All right. So security chief Mohsen
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Rezaei has laid out a new set of conditions to
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end the war with the US. Now, one caveat here,
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he's one official. As we know, Iran has a multi-layered,
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several-latticed governance structure.
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So it's not a dictatorship by any means. So there's
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no one man necessarily. But I think this is probably
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close to being 95% believable. This is where
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the Islamic State currently is. And just to be
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clear, he is from the Supreme National Security
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Council. Right. So he has authority to speak
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on this issue. Yeah, he's the man that, what's
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his name, that Khamenei, what is it, Motadab,
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I always mispronounce his first name, but Khamenei,
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the Supreme Leader, put into recent position.
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Right, Khamenei 2.0. As a weapon, apparently.
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So yeah, he is. So these are mostly repetitive
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to the memorandum of understanding that basically
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the Trump administration immediately ignored
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as soon as they signed. But here we go. Number
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one. And this is, I would say, a harsher list
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of demands in all but one respect. But an end
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to the war on all fronts, again, with an emphasis
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on Lebanon. Okay, that is right out of the MOU.
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The release of all frozen funds that run into
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billions of dollars. The end of the naval blockade
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on Iranian ports. An end to U.S. interference
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in Iranian internal affairs. An end to all U.S.
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attacks on Iranian territory. Now, here's
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where there's the big difference. One thing is
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new and one thing is gone. What is gone is reparations,
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asking for reparations. And I've always said
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that that was a throwaway because if they get
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their frozen funds back, they don't
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de facto have money for reparations, right,
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or just they're not reparations but they have money to repair all the infrastructure
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that the US and Israel has destroyed. But a brand
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new thing is here, and it's funny to me
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that the mainstream media is missing this:
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an end to all U.S. cooperation with opponents
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of our revolution. In other words, countries like
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Israel, countries like Saudi Arabia, countries
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like... In other words, this is a big demand. It's
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like, well, we're going to let go of reparations,
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but we want the U.S. completely out of the Middle
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East. We want them to have, certainly they can
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be friends with anyone who's not an enemy of
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Iran, but if you're an enemy of Iran, no, this
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is off the table. This is new, and I think it's
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a big deal, and I think we should spend some
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time going over it. I strongly suspect that's
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going to be a throwaway also. You think? There's
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no way to enforce that. Meaning if the U.S.
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says, okay, we'll give you reparations,
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not reparations, but we'll give you, I don't
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know, $50 billion back, and we'll stop blockading
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your ports, but we want you to implement the
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deal with Oman in order to open the strait, et
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cetera, et cetera. And then Iran says, wait,
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wait, wait, but we need you to stop cooperation
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with the Saudis and the Gulf countries and Israel
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before we stop the war. Does Iran really stake
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it all on that? Do you really go to die
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on that particular hill in order to get the war
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to stop? Now, if you think that you're in that
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strong of a position and your response is, well,
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if you don't do this, we're going to do what?
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You're going to open strikes on those warships?
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You're going to open strikes on the thing? Iran
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is not attacking the United States currently
16:37
in the war. Meaning, it's not like Iran is prosecuting
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the war by continuing strikes. When the U.S.
16:42
stops, Iran tends to stop. So if
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the U.S. says, well, we're not going to stop
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our cooperation, what is Iran going to do? Nothing.
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Well, they are attacking the United States right
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now. They're attacking us through the energy
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market. No, no, I get that point. No, what I
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mean is, it's not like Iran is having military
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strikes against the United States. They
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could say, well, we're going to keep the Strait
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of Hormuz shut. Meaning, if the U.S. says, we'll
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give you everything else. Iran says, no, we're
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going to keep the straits shut because you're
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continuing to work with Israel. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I don't think it's because of Israel. I think
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it's because we, the United States, two or three
17:23
times has attacked in the middle of peace negotiations
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and killed their negotiators. And there's no
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trust. That's the issue. Well, I completely agree.
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And so if that's the case, and the fact that
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the Houthis just slapped Saudi Arabia out yesterday,
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they attacked their capital, for God's
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sake. Iran's got the cards here. They can force
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this. And all they got to do is just wait until
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a new Congress comes in and says, listen, the
17:49
price of diesel gets up to $12 a gallon. The
17:52
price of gas gets up to $8. And if you want that
17:55
pain to end, you need to stop. Oh, that's just
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the beginning. You need to stop playing God in
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the Middle East. You need to go home. I know,
18:04
but Rob, but this is not one side. It's not like
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we're the ones that are only experiencing pain.
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They are also experiencing pain as a result of
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the blockade on their ports and not to mention
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going after their ships. They may be
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willing to tolerate it. True. And they may be
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willing to accept it, especially considering
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it's existential. But you have a, to be polite,
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a reformist government. That is in play, despite
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the fact you have the hardliners from the standpoint
18:32
of the National Security Council and the hardliners
18:33
have been right all the way through this. But
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if they could get a deal, they're going to try
18:37
to get a deal. Even the crazy.
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I think that's the way you pronounce his name. The one
18:45
that Ted was talking about. Even he, when he's
18:47
talking about, he's like these. This is what's
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necessary for us to start negotiations, meaning
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we are open for negotiations, providing the terms
18:53
are right. And under normal circumstances, these
18:57
are maximalist terms. When I give you my
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terms, I'm giving you my maximalist terms. Sure.
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I suspect these are maximalists. And there are
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parts of this that they're willing to deviate
19:06
from. It's like the Russians. They're like, well,
19:08
we're going to take all of this territory. We
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need to get rid of the Nazis and we need to get
19:11
rid of this. And then they have the Alaska format
19:13
and Putin is like, some of this is acceptable.
19:16
He would have taken the deal, regardless of all
19:19
the maximalist stuff that's coming out of him.
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This is the same way. Some of this stuff is maximalist.
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Some of this stuff they're willing to accept.
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Bitch, I don't think so. I think here's the difference
19:30
is because the United States opened up this war
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with an illegal war of aggression. We tried to
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decapitate their government. We killed their supreme
19:38
leader. We killed his entire family. We have been
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Israel's attack dog for years, and if you
19:43
want to weaken Israel you've got to get the United
19:47
States out. And so it would be like no, for example.
19:49
No, your Ukraine example
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fits with one problem. What would have happened
19:54
if the United States had assassinated Putin and
19:57
we're dealing with his successor? That's the
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difference. But these are not the same countries.
20:01
Russia is much stronger of a country than Iran.
20:06
Russia has much more resources. Russia could
20:09
deal with the sanctions than being taken off
20:11
the SWIFT. Meaning Russia withstood all of that.
20:13
I agree. Iran, it might have withstood it, but
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it doesn't have the industrial base. It doesn't
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have the military capacity. It doesn't have the
20:21
weapons that could go around the world. But it's
20:23
more aggressive. No, I agree, but they have
20:25
a more aggressive foreign, they're more aggressive
20:28
as a people. This point I make, like for example
20:30
the Russians could put this war to bed four years
20:32
ago. They didn't. Why? Because they're playing
20:35
it safe, nibbling around the edges, trying to eat
20:38
the elephant one bite at a time. Iran cannot do
20:40
that. For one thing it's an existential threat
20:43
for them. For another thing we tried to decapitate
20:46
their country. President Trump threatened to,
20:50
he said that entire civilization will die tonight.
20:52
We're talking about a country that's 4,000 years
20:55
old. Well, speaking of which, we have to just
20:56
mention the fact that Trump just said something
20:59
similar again yesterday, where he said that he's
21:01
musing about if and when do I blow up the entire
21:05
nation up? In other words, Iran. Well, the reporting
21:09
is that MBS had begged Trump over and over again.
21:13
In fact, he had begged the Chinese, the Pakistanis,
21:17
the Iranians. He had begged pretty much anybody
21:19
that would listen, please get Ansarallah off
21:22
of our ass. Please. He's still begging. And as
21:25
you pointed out, they hit Riyadh. They were hitting
21:30
stations and they continue to advance. Yes. Trump,
21:32
apparently on Thursday, according to the New
21:36
York Times, was considering strikes on Ansarallah.
21:38
And up until the point of Sunday, backed off
21:43
at the last minute. They were saying that the
21:45
planes have been loaded, the bombs have been
21:47
loaded. And at the last minute, Trump effectively
21:49
backed off. We have limits also. I guess my thing
21:50
is the fact that the basic point that I'm trying
21:55
to make is that the civilian government still
21:59
seems to be open to some sort of negotiation.
22:02
Maybe, maybe I'm wrong on this. I don't know
22:04
if. We'll see. Maybe you're right. Look,
22:09
if the U.S. is roundly and radically defeated
22:14
and there's a financial crash and the United
22:16
States is like, OK, we need to pull back, it
22:21
may be a good. I think the financial crash will
22:23
be early next year after the elections. I don't
22:26
think it's coming before. I think the analysts
22:29
are waiting to see how things play out in the
22:31
midterms. And I think then when we head into
22:34
divided government, which we surely will, they're
22:37
going to see there's absolutely no hope for any
22:40
kind of resolution to the financial crisis. And
22:43
also by then the oil prices are going to be that
22:46
much higher. All the chickens will be coming
22:48
home to roost all at the same time early next
22:51
year. And that's when we're going to see it,
22:53
unfortunately. But oil prices are only going
22:55
to get so high. Well, the reason why is because
22:57
what you're going to end up with is companies
23:01
just going belly up. Right. There will be reduced
23:03
demand. We saw that during the pandemic when
23:05
the global economy collapsed. I
23:08
bought gas for $1.75 in Ohio during that period. I
23:14
used to buy gas for $1.75. That's $1.50. I
23:19
remember when gas used to be $1.50 in Richmond.
23:22
I'm so much older than you. When I was a little
23:25
kid, gas was a quarter a gallon. And there were
23:28
gas wars where there'd be four gas stations
23:31
on a corner and there'd be a sign that said,
23:37
gas war, 23 cents a gallon. Fuck those guys across
23:39
the street. Come over here. I swear to God, that's
23:43
true. Jesus, wow. Yeah, a quarter, yeah. Okay,
23:46
so yeah, that was in the very early 70s before
23:51
the OPEC crisis. So, okay, well, we do have to
23:53
talk about, well, let's do some comments and
23:56
then we'll... Wait, by the way, you didn't give
23:58
your take on that. What did you think of going
24:00
on with this? Meaning this, whether or
24:05
not, well, we can go to comments. No, go ahead,
24:08
go ahead. Well, no, it was just, Robby gave
24:11
his take, I gave my take. Oh, it was cubism,
24:15
but sure. Yeah, look, I think... Whether
24:16
or not they're stick-to-itive to this last
24:19
point. Oh, well, look, I thought it was...
24:22
Let me put it this way. I think I might a la
24:26
carte this. If I were... I might say, listen,
24:29
we're going to need to see, in the end, a greatly
24:32
reduced U.S. footprint in the Middle East. Particularly,
24:35
we're going to need to see you pull back from
24:39
Israel. I think if I were them, I would
24:41
hold out for a reduced U.S. military and financial
24:46
support for Israel. And the reason is because,
24:50
look, from their point of view, Israel started
24:52
this war. It was Israel's idea. And Israel said,
24:55
hey, Trump, you want to tag along? So from their
24:59
point of view, it's like as long as it's
25:02
kind of like you two crazy kids are driving around
25:04
the town and knocking down mailboxes and raising
25:07
cane, we're going to have to separate you two.
25:11
You can't sit together in class anymore and you
25:14
can't hang out behind the dumpsters at the 7-Eleven anymore. You guys can't have as much
25:16
to do with each other anymore. You guys aren't
25:18
good together for everybody else, right? So if
25:20
I'm the Iranians, I'm saying, I can't, it's like Israel is America's dog and
25:23
they can't have America's dog well-armed and right there, instead of
25:26
thousands of miles away across the Atlantic Ocean,
25:28
right there up their ass. It's been too much.
25:32
And I think if I'm the Iranians, it's
25:36
almost more important to me to have the Israelis
25:39
off my ass than it is to have the U.S. off my
25:41
ass. So, because a lot of
25:46
this, if I'm working with the Iranians internally,
25:49
I'm saying, look, a lot of this goes away by
25:52
itself and you don't have to worry about it.
25:55
The U.S. is definitely going to
25:58
reduce its footprint in the Gulf because they
26:01
got their asses kicked by Iranian drones and
26:04
missiles and so much infrastructure and people
26:05
were killed. And they now know that the policy
26:07
of encirclement is obsolete. It's 20th century
26:11
Cold War politics. In the drone age, it doesn't
26:14
work anymore. Now all you're doing is creating
26:17
easy targets for us to hit with our short to
26:20
medium range weapons. But I would say the Israel
26:23
thing, I've got to have that. I don't necessarily
26:27
need you to not return MBS's phone calls
26:29
anymore, but I need you to be slow at returning
26:32
Netanyahu's calls. I think that's important.
26:38
If I'm them, I would care about it. I would push
26:40
for it. And even if in the end you end up
26:43
letting it go in a peace negotiation in
26:46
the long run because you get everything else
26:49
you wanted. The message has still been sent by
26:53
the fact that you insisted upon it. It's going
26:56
to be like, look, for future presidents,
26:59
this is a destabilizing, potentially war-causing relationship. I think we've
27:01
talked about this before. I think I'm more optimistic
27:04
than most. I think the U.S.-Israeli relationship
27:06
is... Clearly, I think we can all agree it's
27:09
doomed. The question is just how long will it
27:13
last? There's no world in which the current status
27:17
quo is here in 50 years, right? That's impossible.
27:19
So the only question now is, well, does this
27:21
die in five years, 10 years, 15 years? I think
27:24
it's going to be five to 10 years. Within five
27:27
to 10 years, the US is going to have a lot less
27:32
to do with Israel than it used to. I think the
27:35
next generation is so... that it will be hard
27:38
for the next generation to be okay with. Exactly.
27:41
Yeah, no, and the numbers are so clear.
27:44
And by the way,
27:46
not just Democrats. Across the board. Yeah. Yeah,
27:49
Israel basically has about 20-ish percent among the American people. And that support
27:53
is soft, right? In other words, even
27:57
among that 20%, how many of those
28:00
people are really hardcore? Some, but
28:03
it's pretty squishy. That tide
28:07
is running out. It's going to be down to single
28:11
digits in no time. And who wants,
28:14
yeah, sure. Like NAFTA only had 30% approval,
28:17
but that's not 4%.
28:19
They
28:23
can only ignore the will of the people to a certain
28:25
extent, not completely, like to a great extent,
28:27
but all right. So all right, we have, let's see.
28:30
Okay, some more comments. Makadin, thanks for
28:34
the dollar, new member. Opponents of the revolution
28:38
are traditionally the MEK who are currently
28:40
based in the US. Yes, and I think it was Petraeus.
28:44
Maybe it was Petraeus. It was one of these generals
28:48
where they asked them, I think Tucker Carlson
28:51
might have even did it. But basically they asked
28:54
them, hey, weren't you getting money from
28:59
the MEK? And he was like, well, I gave
29:04
speeches there. So you're supporting a group
29:06
that has been paying you, right? But you're not
29:08
necessarily disclosing all that much that you're
29:10
backing these groups. And this was when Miss
29:12
Lindsey was on stage saying we're going to be
29:15
celebrating. It was either Lindsey Graham or
29:18
John McCain, one of them. We're going to be celebrating
29:20
in Tehran and he was speaking at an MEK engagement.
29:22
These people are lunatics. Yeah,
29:25
they're considered to be, they were at one point
29:27
considered not the second terrorist group, but
29:29
I guess my point is yeah they back these loons
29:31
as if these guys have any political power. They
29:34
have no political power. Yeah, we always make our future enemies. We wouldn't have any enemies
29:38
if we didn't make them. So thanks for the
29:40
dollar. Isn't both Iran and Saudi Arabia
29:43
a member of BRICS now. Yeah. Yes. They should
29:46
dump the West, make peace and trade. Stalking
29:48
horse. This is the problem. Couldn't agree more.
29:51
This is the problem with BRICS. Honest
29:54
to God, I know some people are triumphalist about
29:56
this stuff, but when you look at the organization,
29:58
A, the organization seems to be a defenseless
30:01
baby. It's laying in a crib and Donald Trump
30:04
is trying to strangle it right before it even
30:08
gets out the crib. Two, you have countries in
30:10
there that have close relationships with the
30:13
United States, maybe framed relationships, considering
30:16
Saudi Arabia probably feels abandoned right now.
30:18
But for all intents and purposes, these close
30:20
relationships, despite the fact that the Organization
30:23
of BRICS seems to be trying to move in a different
30:25
way. Enbridge. This was the other story for Saudi
30:29
Arabia. Saudi Arabia dumped Enbridge. Now, to
30:31
be fair, they had stopped working on this project
30:33
back in 2025, but they only released that they
30:36
were dumping it. Now, which is at the exact same
30:38
time Donald Trump was deliberating on whether
30:40
or not to hit Ansarallah, meaning these guys
30:42
are stalking or somehow they're going to have
30:46
to figure out how to settle this. Even
30:49
the UAE thing where the UAE was directly related
30:52
to attacking Iran. And when they were finally
30:55
in a meeting together, the four ministers get
30:58
into this argument back and forth because their
31:00
countries are technically at war. Well, not technically,
31:03
but as a technicality, de facto. De facto, right?
31:05
Yeah. Yeah. De facto at war. So, yes, both of
31:07
them are part of BRICS. Yes. Yeah. Well,
31:11
yeah, no, and I couldn't agree more.
31:13
Do you think BRICS has been pretty much
31:16
open to all comers. I guess, I don't know if
31:17
the US were ever to apply, whether they would
31:21
be admitted. But otherwise, it's pretty
31:24
much come one, come all. Most of the world's
31:27
nations are now members of BRICS. Would... Is
31:31
that a strength or a weakness? At a certain
31:33
point, if you're open to everyone, then are you
31:35
anything? What defines you? What separates you?
31:38
What sets you apart? Or is there strength in
31:41
numbers? I can argue it either way. I don't have
31:43
an answer for that one. Because you can make
31:47
an argument that, okay, we have 46% of the world
31:51
economies. And again, for a lot of people who
31:55
have this idea that BRICS is this idealistic
31:58
entity. It's not. It's a realist construct. All
32:02
the countries are there because it's in their
32:06
best interest to be there. And they believe that
32:10
this gives them a better share of dealing with
32:14
the larger world. It's not ideological. It's
32:16
not like the Soviet Union, right? Where we're
32:18
going to put money in Africa. Or the non-aligned
32:22
pact. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not that. These
32:26
countries are in it to make financial decisions
32:29
that are in the best interest of their country.
32:30
And they believe that this organization gives
32:32
them a gateway to do that in a way that is not
32:35
part of this kind of G7 stuff, this established
32:37
order. It's just that even the name G7,
32:39
every time I hear it it serves to me as
32:42
a reminder of exactly of its exclusionary nature.
32:45
It was the G8 and they threw Russia out
32:48
and every time I hear that I'm just
32:50
like oh yeah that happened and they haven't made
32:52
it right. Even if they had made it right and invited
32:55
Russia back, I would still remember. But the
32:58
fact that they haven't, it's crazy. Yeah. And
33:02
Russia made the point, look, 48% of the world
33:05
economies here are BRICS. And you guys are calling
33:08
yourselves the G7. It's like, you guys are out
33:12
of touch. The bulk of the world is over here.
33:15
And yeah, Europe's irrelevance is pretty prodigious.
33:18
It just is. They don't seem to grasp it.
33:22
They still go over this colonial empire stuff
33:24
as they're being colonized by the U.S., as the
33:26
U.S. takes wing. Right. No, that's, no, no.
33:29
By the way, just a reminder for people, because
33:33
a lot of people are here who were not here at
33:36
the top of the show. This is the new schedule
33:40
is now in effect. So we're going two hours today
33:45
all the way until 11 a.m. Eastern. We've still
33:48
got an hour and 25 minutes left in today's show.
33:50
We are, so it's 9 to 11. Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
33:52
and the old 9 to 10 schedule remains on Tuesdays
33:56
and Thursdays. The emphasis in the last half
33:59
of today's show, as it was in the old Q&A show,
34:01
which is not happening, the Q&A show is actually
34:03
the 10 o'clock hour, right? So just come in
34:06
with your questions and we will attempt to have
34:08
answers. It could be a strength. If you get something
34:11
like Saudi Arabia moves to, let's say, the Russia-Chinese angle. Because I get the sense that
34:14
Saudi Arabia, yes, is a puppet, but I think it
34:17
sees the writing on the wall. Or at the very
34:20
least, you would think it would see the writing
34:24
on the wall. In fact, all of the Gulf states
34:26
should see the writing on the wall. The U.S.
34:29
can't protect you. Like if Fat Tony, if I had
34:31
made a deal with Fat Tony, Fat Tony's walking
34:36
by and says, hey, that's a nice bar you got there.
34:42
Be a shame if anything happened to it. And they'd
34:44
be like, oh, Fat Tony, there's very
34:47
little crime here. I think I'll be OK. And then
34:49
your windows are broken. Somebody robs the register.
34:51
And Fat Tony comes back. He's like, God, man,
34:52
looks like this neighborhood is going to hell.
34:56
OK, Fat Tony, here's my. Right. And then you
34:59
find that Fat Tony starts a gang war. And your
35:01
restaurant is getting bombed. And
35:03
Fat Tony can't protect you. Okay, then what do
35:05
you think? In fact, Fat Tony's getting you into
35:07
more trouble than you were before. He's not
35:10
protecting you. He's imperiling you. And you
35:12
can't sell your cookies because Fat Tony is starting
35:14
gang wars. Okay, so what do you think in that
35:16
moment? A, you can't be protected. And Fat Tony
35:19
is starting. He's making your life worse. Yes.
35:23
You've got to cut Fat Tony loose. But you're
35:26
scared of Fat Tony. Because Fat Tony can still
35:28
punch you in the nose. True. That's the problem.
35:30
You need to find a way to gently figure that
35:33
out. Yeah. But then you're looking for new friends.
35:36
I think that the G7 is just us living in old
35:38
former glories. We can't rebuild the Francis
35:40
Scott Key Bridge. We can't fix subways. We can't
35:43
keep planes from landing on each other. We can't
35:46
keep doors falling off mid-flight. Those are
35:50
all real problems. Yeah. And it's symbolism.
35:51
It's symbolic. It's a relic of a bygone era and
35:54
the ruling class just cannot accept the fact
35:56
that the rest of the world has left them behind.
35:59
But see, that's the wow part. All of this stuff
36:02
is just an issue of where do you allocate your
36:05
money? It's not magic. No. Like when China is
36:09
allocated, it's not like we don't have engineers
36:10
in this country. It's not like we can't train
36:14
engineers. We build all sorts of shit,
36:18
right? It's what do you want to put your money
36:23
into? And how do you allocate that money in order
36:27
to do whatever you want to do from the standpoint
36:29
of your imagination? If you want to have a hyperloop
36:32
to go from California to Richmond, you can do
36:35
that. You can build that. It's not like it's
36:39
technologically impossible to do. And it's not
36:40
like you don't have engineers in the U.S. that
36:43
can do it. They just don't. It's always about
36:45
this thing of how can we make a profit? Well,
36:47
I don't know if I can make a huge amount of profit
36:49
off of this. OK, so you just don't do it. Or
36:50
how can this government-connected
36:53
bro of the president make a short-term profit and grift for the next two to three
36:54
years. That's literally it. We got a big, generous
36:57
donation, $20 from Syphilitic Crayola. No, Syphilitic
36:59
Royals. Sorry. When I put these up, they're very,
37:00
very small. Regular unleaded is now $4.30 in
37:05
Miami. Yeah, the prices are definitely going
37:07
up. $4.20 here in Richmond. And have you seen Marjorie
37:08
Taylor Greene? She's been putting up posts showing
37:11
her pointing at the gas and saying, look at what
37:15
the gas price is. I have not seen. But yeah,
37:18
they're just going to go. They're going to keep
37:20
going up. One last point real quick about the
37:24
Marjorie Taylor Greene thing. She said that she
37:30
had a conversation with Trump. And Trump told
37:34
her, those people that are talking about killing
37:39
your kids and you would deserve it. Meaning when
37:41
they were on a phone call, he was saying stuff
37:44
like that to her. What? Yeah. At least she put
37:47
it out in the post. I need to find that post,
37:49
but she put that. I
37:52
actually probably
37:53
believe her. Wow. But I don't think she's lying
37:55
either. Okay. Daniel, if we keep electing hacks,
37:57
nothing will change, man. People used to say
38:00
we would never get into a war after Vietnam.
38:02
How did that work out? Okay, I have a question
38:05
for Daniel and for everybody else who believes
38:06
in this, like we can vote our way out of our
38:10
current dilemma. Okay, how? That's a
38:12
serious question, right? You only
38:16
have two major parties who are allowed to have
38:19
meaningful power in this country, okay? They're
38:28
both corporatist, militarist, pro-Israel, et
38:30
cetera, anti-national healthcare, etc. So how
38:32
do you vote when your option is not, when your
38:35
politics aren't on the ballot? Let's say your
38:37
politics are free Palestine. Those
38:39
politics are not on the ballot in a presidential
38:43
election. And I always say this because it's
38:46
a mind-blowing statistic. Between 60 and 70
38:48
percent of all local and state races in the United
38:51
States are unopposed completely, which means
38:54
to say there's only one party running for these.
38:58
So you'll go and look at a judge or a sheriff
39:02
or state representative, and there's only a Republican
39:04
or there's only a Democrat. There's not even
39:06
the other pro-Zionist or pro-capitalist or
39:10
whatever, pro-free trade party. It's all the
39:12
same. You tell me, when people say, well, we
39:16
have the government we deserve, how do we have
39:20
the government we deserve? The only way
39:23
to change that government in a meaningful way
39:26
is through a revolution, the violent overthrow
39:31
of the state. But pending that in between those
39:34
moments when you have this two-party hegemony,
39:37
how the hell are you supposed to vote your way
39:41
out of it? It baffles
39:44
me when people say that. It's like there is no
39:48
half-decent option on the ballot ever. So you
39:49
don't think we have the government we deserve?
39:52
No, we do not. Unless you think that
39:54
we should, and I do think we should overthrow
39:57
the government. When you say that, if you say,
40:00
well, you deserve this because you're not overthrowing
40:03
the government, you don't have pitchforks and
40:06
torches, then I'll agree with you. But I don't
40:09
think people who say that are thinking about
40:11
revolution. I think they're thinking about
40:17
you should vote better. And I don't think voting
40:19
better, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that's
40:23
what they mean. And I don't think voting better.
40:25
I vote great. If everybody who I'd ever
40:30
voted for had won, we'd still be in the same
40:32
exact situation we're in because on the big issues,
40:35
there's differences of tone. And
40:38
for sure, Democrats belong to the World
40:40
Health Organization and we don't and we should.
40:42
Somewhat matters. But the point is
40:45
that on the big issues of war and peace
40:48
and so on, both parties are identical.
40:49
And so you tell me how the fuck, no,
40:54
we don't have the government that we deserve.
40:58
How can we? It's literally hilarious.
41:02
It's like saying it's a restaurant
41:06
that serves Pepsi or Coke. And they're like,
41:13
and I'm like, well, I don't like Pepsi or Coke.
41:15
Well, that's your fault because you
41:19
don't vote for anything different. But there's
41:23
only Pepsi or Coke on the menu. And I don't like
41:26
either one. Yeah, but apathy is what I think
41:29
we got the government we deserve. Meaning I disagree
41:32
with you on this. I think we do have the government
41:34
we deserve. The reality of it is if you
41:37
get a political system where the majority of
41:39
the people get so accustomed to just. Well, I'm
41:41
going to put the guy in office and I expect him
41:43
to do the job. OK, well, what's the job? There
41:46
are 320 million people in the country. What's
41:55
the job that you as an individual expect him
41:59
to do? And he's going to go. And because there's
42:00
so many people and because there's so many divided
42:03
things that all of these people want, he gets
42:06
a pass on doing pretty much whatever he wants.
42:09
Now, you may try to take him out of office, but
42:11
then we have a political system where 90 percent
42:14
of the choices are decided by the cash. So at
42:17
that point, it's like, OK, well, it seems like
42:19
cash is the thing that society, the electoral
42:22
process. But the reality of it is, if there was
42:24
a political issue that dug into the population,
42:26
people would be less apathetic if they came.
42:28
For example, if one political campaign said we
42:31
are bringing back slavery and we want to put
42:32
every black person in chattel slavery to help
42:36
with the economic downturn, that way we don't
42:37
have to have migrants into the country. Back
42:39
to the old days. What would part of the country
42:44
do? Part of the country would lose its mind.
42:47
Well, I would hope the whole country would lose
42:51
its mind, but maybe not. I don't know. There's
42:54
a good 13% that may think this is a great idea.
42:57
Right. I'm just saying. I think it would be more.
43:01
I promise it would be more than that. Yeah. But
43:03
my point is, the public will be galvanized.
43:05
It wouldn't be this thing of, oh, maybe I'll
43:07
go and vote. You would get like 80% people going
43:10
to the polling in order to vote for a very explicit
43:13
point of saying, hell no. Meaning the apathy
43:15
is on some level chosen. Okay, but you brought
43:18
up two points here, and I'm going to take them
43:22
in reverse order, which I often do. It's one
43:24
of my major weird personality traits. But in
43:28
this restoration of slavery Octavia Butler scenario,
43:33
basically both parties would be in favor of it.
43:35
No, in that scenario, one party is for it. The
43:39
other party is against it. But I'm saying because
43:44
it's such an important issue, the reality, if
43:48
you're drawing an analogy to our current situation,
43:50
that would look more like both parties were like,
43:52
yeah, let's restore slavery. So who do you vote
43:58
for? How are you going to vote? I'm only making
44:03
this as an example of the public would get engaged.
44:09
Well, sure, but so what? There isn't
44:12
that kind of differentiating between the two
44:14
major parties these days, or maybe ever, but
44:16
certainly not now. There is no huge,
44:18
that's a huge-ass issue. There's
44:21
no huge-ass issue like that where there's major
44:25
differences between the two parties. They're both deficit spenders. They're both
44:28
imperialists. They're
44:31
both warmongers. Those are
44:37
big issues. They're both climate change deniers.
44:39
Democrats will talk about climate change,
44:44
but they won't do anything about it. So
44:49
they're both into starving the welfare state,
44:51
but nobody wants to build infrastructure. Democrats
44:54
talk a little bit about it, but they don't do
44:56
it. So it's just sort of, I don't know.
44:58
But what was the first point you made?
45:01
Oh, I didn't want to miss the first point you
45:04
made, which I think is really profound
45:07
when you said, okay, so we elect people
45:09
and then we don't hold their feet to the fire.
45:12
I think that's really huge. It's like,
45:15
that's a big difference between the United
45:18
States and the people in most sort of representative
45:20
elected system, electoral democracies like Western
45:24
Europe. In other countries, you elect people,
45:28
but then you don't think, oh, we're done for
45:30
the next two to four years and I got to go work
45:31
my three jobs now and try, you pay
45:35
attention. And when your politician fucks
45:38
you, which she ultimately always will. You head
45:41
out into the streets, you go on national strike,
45:43
you break things, you burn cars, and you hold
45:47
their feet to the fire. It's not a perfect system,
45:51
but it's certainly more engaged than ours. Right.
45:54
I think my point is apathy is the issue. But
45:56
apathy is a normal response to this too. But
45:58
isn't apathy... Whoa, I think it goes both ways.
46:01
Don't you think it's a rational response? But
46:03
yeah, but when a political system gets yes or
46:08
no, it depends whether it's the chicken or the
46:10
egg. When a political system gets to
46:14
the point where they just assume that the public
46:19
is not necessarily going to get that much engaged
46:21
or assume that propaganda is going to be
46:25
enough. OK, but I think the key point
46:28
is the society itself just kind of checks out
46:31
of the process. And I don't know if that's a
46:34
chicken or egg thing. You put somebody
46:37
in office. Look, I will tell you personally.
46:38
When I have a purpose, an objective, I'm very
46:40
good. When I don't, I flounder. I don't know
46:43
what to do. You have a public that seemingly
46:45
just kind of has no direction in regards to
46:47
what it wants to accomplish in regards to government.
46:50
And maybe this is an issue of system. Meaning
46:53
the way the system is organized doesn't allow
46:56
the public to get engaged or to fully know or
46:58
to even hold politicians accountable because
47:01
you have two political parties and you're either
47:03
choosing Pepsi or Coke. Maybe you're right. I
47:06
don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're
47:08
winning me over to your side on this. I'm bothered
47:12
by the apathy. The apathy is the thing that bothers
47:14
me, which is why... I think the apathy is rational.
47:17
I think it's learned helplessness. I
47:20
think if you have... It's kind of like
47:22
one of the main purposes of the
47:25
public school system is to teach apathy. Right.
47:26
It's basically to tell you this is the way
47:29
things always have been and the way that things
47:30
always will be. And so you
47:33
learn there's a lot of what is the first thing?
47:36
What is the thing that adults, old people always
47:38
tell young people like, dude, you can't change
47:40
this. This is the way it's always going to has
47:43
always been. It's the way it always will be.
47:46
And so when young people
47:49
rebel, which is always young people, they
47:51
ignore the older generation, thank God, and they
47:53
go out and they break things and they try to
47:57
change the world. But usually they find out
47:58
that the old people were right and changing
48:01
the world is hard if not close to impossible.
48:05
I don't know. I think it's like if you are
48:07
like me, you're 63 years old, you've
48:10
been voting since you were 18, and you see an
48:13
election after an election after an election
48:16
after election, that it's all bullshit. Of
48:19
course you're apathetic. I vote because of the ritual, not because I think
48:21
it'll change anything. I know it won't change
48:24
anything. In fact, things are only getting worse.
48:27
I may agree with you, but the political system
48:29
is not just voting. And maybe that's where I'm...
48:33
Right. Okay. I'll say it this way. Under the
48:35
specific model that you gave of, if going to
48:38
the voting booths is going to change something,
48:39
I agree with you. The answer is no. But our political
48:43
system goes beyond just voting. Right. Agitation.
48:45
For God's sake, the civil rights movement
48:48
wasn't just voting. It was agitation. The women's
48:51
rights movement. Gay rights. Gay rights was Will
48:55
and Grace. That was a little bit different. But
48:58
those things were pressured. Gay rights started
49:01
out, the big Stonewall
49:04
uprising. Right. But I guess violence
49:07
was involved and required pressure against a
49:09
political system to change.
49:11
No, there's not one fell swoop where you change
49:14
everything in one go. But the fact that the public
49:15
has shown the propensity to do it means it can
49:19
be done. It's just not. And maybe that's where
49:22
I'm coming in. I'm changing my mind. If on a
49:23
specific thing of voting, I agree with you. But
49:26
voting is not the end of the process. Yeah, it's
49:29
the end. Well, look, I think protests and demonstrations
49:32
are super important. But again, only if there's
49:35
no peace police, only if there's a credible threat
49:38
of violence every time there's a peaceful protest.
49:40
A protest has to be disruptive.
49:43
It has to be dangerous. It has to be threatening
49:46
to the powers that be, or it is toothless, as
49:49
we've seen with the No Kings rallies. But the
49:52
No Kings rallies are different. Those are just
49:54
Democratic rallies. Those aren't anything. Yeah,
50:00
but a lot of people, including good lefties and
50:03
progressives who I'm friends with, they go to
50:05
those street parties. For
50:08
example, if you can watch MSNBC and 25% of what
50:12
they say, you'd be like, oh, I agree with that
50:15
because they just hate Trump, right? It's
50:18
like, hey, I agree with you how bad Trump is.
50:21
So yeah, when it's 25% and they agree with you.
50:24
Same thing with the No Kings rally. Those things
50:25
are just entities in order to funnel people into
50:28
the Democratic Party. Yeah. But again, as you
50:30
point out, voting for Democrats is not going
50:33
to change anything. Nope. Here's the part that
50:37
I think that you are both missing. How much of
50:42
our population is drugged? How much of them are
50:44
on antidepressants? How many of them are on marijuana?
50:47
How many of them are drinking? How many of them
50:49
are just literally drugged out of their minds
50:51
and there's no aggression left in the society?
50:53
You can't have a violent protest if you are the
50:55
antidepressants. Well, think about what I'm saying.
50:58
That's the issue. No, you're not wrong.
51:00
I mean, back in the 1860s, you had 13 unique
51:03
colonies. Really, what started the American Revolution
51:06
was the Great Awakening. And that was led by
51:09
a handful of preachers who said, no, there is
51:12
a limit to the power that a king has. That's
51:14
an unpopular thing to say now, but
51:17
that's really what sparked it. The divine right of kings
51:21
is crap. The same issue in Australia. This is
51:25
the same issue. Pretty much every colony
51:29
comes up with the same thing. The rich want to
51:33
be untethered from the king because they want
51:39
to be able to have their own fiefdom. Yeah, they
51:43
don't want to pay their taxes. Agreed. But here's
51:45
the thing that's different. They want to collect
51:47
the taxes instead. How effective would George
51:49
Whitefield or Sam Adams have been if 80
51:52
% of the people going to listen to them were
51:55
on antidepressants and just looking forward to
52:00
their next nap? Well, I will tell you. It would
52:01
have never happened. In the anti-war movement
52:03
in the 60s. Those guys were stoners.
52:05
They still were able to get out and say, hey,
52:07
we don't like the fact that you're murdering
52:10
people in other countries. Well, there was a
52:11
split there. But these are different kinds of
52:14
drugs, though. There was a split in the 60s between
52:16
the hippies and the new left, right? And the
52:18
new left were definitely, I'm not saying they
52:21
were sober, clean and sober, but they were more
52:23
like drinkers. And sure, people smoked weed,
52:26
but they weren't sitting around. Yeah, and alcohol
52:30
can sort of temporarily serve as a stimulant.
52:31
Look, I think what Robby brought up is actually
52:33
hugely profound, right? The drinking
52:36
water is full of SSRIs. The drugs
52:37
that have been legalized are all depressants,
52:39
right? No stimulants. We are mucal. We're passive.
52:43
And then there's also the prison industrial complex
52:46
where there's been studies about how one
52:49
of the reasons that testosterone is dropping
52:52
in the population aside from environmental causes
52:55
is also because we're taking our most aggressive
52:57
young men and putting them in, locking them up
53:00
where they don't reproduce. Right. And so we
53:03
know that the people who aggression
53:08
were basically breeding aggression out of the
53:11
human race. And so people are
53:16
like men are literally less hairy and less testosterone
53:20
and all that stuff and less aggressive because
53:22
aggression is what lands you in prison
53:24
if you do street crimes. I don't know. I think
53:26
there's a lot to it. I think there's a
53:30
this is a Jared Diamond argument. Right. Just like a lot of what happens in politics is
53:33
caused by environmental and medical and psychological
53:35
and other kind of extraneous. Even
53:39
even the way
53:42
even the way things like
53:45
toxic toxoplasmosis affects people. This isn't
53:48
new. Look at
53:52
the opium wars. This is a problem with Americans
53:54
not knowing history. The opium wars flooded
53:57
China with opium. It destroyed the entire nation.
53:59
It nearly ended the entire civilization.
54:01
It was so bad. We're doing the same thing and
54:04
it led to the rise of Chinese nationalism.
54:07
It did. It took a hundred years to overcome that.
54:10
That's why the Chinese are, they haven't forgotten.
54:15
So, oh well, how can you, they're like never again.
54:19
We're not letting that shit happen again. Carving
54:21
the Chinese melon, the Brits called it. Now here
54:23
we have big pharma paying ads with their lobbies
54:27
flooding all these drugs into the American population.
54:31
And then you wonder why no one's out in the streets
54:34
raising hell about cameras and stuff. It's because
54:37
we are stolen out of our mind. I see all the
54:40
chat where Robby's out of his mind. Maybe so.
54:44
But give me another example. But OK,
54:46
you may like this example, but BLM, Black Lives
54:50
Matter, people out in the streets, people. Quantum
54:52
singularity, though. Right. Do you remember?
54:56
You remember why? No, I do. But I'm trying to
55:02
make the point. But it wasn't the cause. Right.
55:06
It was the time. It's COVID. Literally,
55:09
the. You're trying to say if there was no COVID,
55:12
people wouldn't do it. That's exactly what I'm
55:14
saying. I'm saying that people were
55:17
literally they didn't have jobs to go to, right? So they were free all
55:20
day long. Okay this is one guy
55:23
but it kind of woke me up to this. I was parking
55:27
my car. There were BLM protests every single
55:29
day in New York City at that time. Thank fucking
55:32
God. Every day, seven days a week, by the way. That's
55:36
what a sustained protest looks like. That's a
55:40
real protest. That really holds the authorities'
55:43
feet to the fire. This isn't like,
55:45
on Saturday morning,
55:47
every
55:49
four months, with a parade permit.
55:52
This is like, things are spicy, right? Windows
55:55
can get broken. Stores can get looted. We have
55:57
to, this is worrisome, right? This affects our
56:01
tax base. This affects our bottom dollar, which
56:03
is all we fucking care about, right? Anyway,
56:07
this guy's walking down the street and he was
56:09
on his way to or from the protest. And we started
56:12
talking and he's like, he goes, there's nothing
56:14
else to do, man. No Yankees game. No work. Like
56:16
this is the only game in town. And we
56:19
both, we fist bumped. Right. And it was like,
56:21
that's, and it was like, that's exactly right.
56:24
It was the only game in town. It's sort of like
56:27
people, I went to a stoning in Kabul
56:30
back in 2000 and it was on Fridays. Right. And
56:33
it's like, I remember going and talking
56:36
to people like, why do you go do this? And they're
56:40
like, there's no movies. There's
56:44
no concerts. This is the only game in town. It's
56:48
the only entertainment. So I'm clear. You say
56:50
you went to a stoning? I went to a stoning, yeah.
56:55
Somebody was getting stoned? To death, yeah,
56:58
by the Taliban. Who was it? Do you know who the
57:00
person was? I'm sorry to take that. Yeah, I absolutely
57:02
do. It was a guy who he raped and killed a young
57:06
woman. And he was guilty, for sure. And they
57:08
brought him out to a soccer stadium and they
57:10
stoned him to death. And the audience joins in
57:12
audience participation. No, no, no audience participation.
57:15
This was at a big soccer match and
57:17
it was like the mullahs did it. So yeah.
57:20
Wow.
57:22
I've seen a few of them. And the point is literally
57:26
when you talk to people about why they were there,
57:29
they were like, it's the only entertainment.
57:34
So seriously, no COVID, BLM is a shadow.
57:38
Okay. Because people have to be at work.
57:40
It's not to say that they're assholes.
57:43
People need to they need to pay their bills.
57:46
Right. But if there's no job
57:48
anyway, so you free people up,
57:54
UBI, this might be one of the reasons the authorities
57:57
don't want UBI is because they're worried things
57:58
might get spicy in the streets.
58:03
They don't want us to have free
58:08
time. They want us to be tied up. And,
58:10
to Robby's point, they want us
58:12
drunk and stoned and sedated and busy all at
58:15
the same time and just not fucking with their
58:18
bank accounts. No, I trust. Yeah, I agree with
58:21
that. I agree with that. I agree with that. So
58:24
guys, just a reminder, if you're joining us,
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58:55
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58:58
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59:01
off a few more residual comments from the first
59:05
hour. We are at three, I think this is 352. I
59:09
can't see it from here. I'm seeing, yeah, I'm
59:13
seeing 335, but I think we have different numbers.
59:16
Now, if we would have split and then went to
59:20
12, that number would have dropped to like 100.
59:24
Yeah, you're right. You're totally right. Maybe
59:26
one, lately it's been like 125, but yeah, you're
59:30
right. Sailing in the Q&A at this point with
59:33
over 350. No, no. And we appreciate you guys
59:37
sticking around again. We will be here until
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59:47
All right. So a few more comments and we'll do
59:49
hit some more comments, some more stories. F
59:53
you. So right on Ted, you sound like me and everyone
59:55
hates me too for it. Yeah. I'm kind of used to
59:58
being hated for my opinions. Maybe blue funk,
1:00:00
she says. Capital isn't tied to geography. The
1:00:03
money will move, but we can't, of course, we
1:00:06
can't, of course, borders. Yeah, my ex-wife
1:00:08
pointed that out back in the early 90s. We went
1:00:12
to a seminar about NAFTA, which was a new thing,
1:00:14
at UC Berkeley. And they explained
1:00:16
it and we walked out and I was like, oh, wow,
1:00:19
it's very complicated. And she goes, no, it's
1:00:22
not. She's like, capital moves freely. It can
1:00:25
go anywhere. Yeah, it can chase
1:00:27
low wages anywhere it wants to go. And we are
1:00:30
stuck. Even if we didn't have international borders,
1:00:33
even if we had one world government, we'd still
1:00:36
have ties of culture and family and language
1:00:40
to where we were. We would never be mobile. But
1:00:41
with borders, we're certainly not mobile.
1:00:43
I can't look at a spreadsheet of
1:00:45
the world's highest salaries and say, OK, I'm
1:00:48
going to go move to that country because they
1:00:52
have the world's highest salaries and the best
1:00:55
benefits. I can't become a citizen there. I can't
1:00:57
move there. So she's right.
1:01:00
Makadin, did the
1:01:03
BLM protest achieve anything? Thanks for the dollar.
1:01:06
It's a good question. At first they seemed to
1:01:08
initially like the city of Minneapolis had said
1:01:11
that they were going to defund the police and
1:01:13
all that and within I'd say about a year and
1:01:14
a half all that was gone. Thing is with
1:01:17
protests you need demands. And again this
1:01:21
goes back to the apathy argument thing. It's one
1:01:24
thing if the public had a specific demand this
1:01:27
is what we want. BLM their demands weren't
1:01:30
stuff that most black people wanted. And what
1:01:31
I mean, because it became very political as opposed
1:01:34
to being very specific in trying to accomplish
1:01:38
whatever the particular objective was. If you
1:01:41
say we wanted to fund the police, I would tell
1:01:44
you there are a lot of old people, there are
1:01:46
a lot of black people who live in areas where
1:01:50
they're like, you are out of your mind. What
1:01:54
we want is for them to treat us equally. The
1:01:57
same way they treated that woman on the jury,
1:01:59
that white woman who killed all of her kids.
1:02:02
Treat us like that. Treat us equally. That's
1:02:05
ultimately what is wanted. Yeah, don't treat
1:02:07
us like enemy occupied territory. Yeah, exactly.
1:02:09
Those are different things. Yeah, that shit to
1:02:12
protect and to serve on the side of the police
1:02:15
of the squad car, do that. Do that. That'd be
1:02:18
awesome. Do that part. Even from other people
1:02:21
like you, do that. I've only seen one case where
1:02:25
a woman, it was a black woman, a police officer,
1:02:29
the guy beat the shit out of the guy, an old
1:02:34
guy. And she went over to him and she says, look,
1:02:37
you need to contact, I think she called them
1:02:39
investigative services or something like that.
1:02:42
And basically it was like, this guy is out of
1:02:46
balance. And if I'm not mistaken, they prosecuted
1:02:50
the cop for doing it. But that's like few and
1:02:52
far between. Few and far between. Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:54
Okay, got to get your thoughts about the arch.
1:02:57
I have mine. So Trump says that it's not going
1:03:00
to just be a 250-foot triumphal arch full of
1:03:02
gilt, this and that, next to the entrance to
1:03:07
Arlington National Cemetery, but it's going to
1:03:09
be a top-grade military complex with drones,
1:03:12
snipers, and ammunition and all this. Okay, it's
1:03:18
being speculated that this is partly to get
1:03:21
congressional approval, because if it's got the
1:03:26
military in it, hell, I know. Can we
1:03:30
have national health care, but it's going to
1:03:33
have drones, ammunition, and snipers in it? That
1:03:36
would work for me. Can we have a high-speed
1:03:39
rail, but there's going to be drones and snipers
1:03:44
in each train, so as it goes through the country,
1:03:47
it can shoot bad people? That'd be cool. Flamethrowers.
1:03:50
Does the public see this and not burn the White
1:03:54
House down? They should. How? They would do January
1:03:55
6th over some made-up shit. Right. All these
1:03:58
angry white people running to the White House,
1:04:02
fighting, putting cops in the ER. But not on
1:04:05
real stuff. No. Like on stuff like this was like,
1:04:08
hey, guys, you spent $10 trillion, you're $40
1:04:14
trillion. Okay, well, tease that out, Jamarl,
1:04:18
please. Because when you say,
1:04:21
okay, so the arch is not real stuff.
1:04:25
Look, I got to say, personally, I think I know
1:04:29
for a fact, this is just Trump trolling, right?
1:04:34
That's all it is. It's just bullshit.
1:04:38
So, when you say, the reason
1:04:40
I think people should burn down, I
1:04:43
kind of project my own thoughts on this. Well, why
1:04:44
should Americans burn down the White House in
1:04:48
response to something like this? Because literally
1:04:50
our prices are going through the roof. Our wages
1:04:53
are dropping through the floor. We're losing
1:04:56
our jobs. We're miserable. The polls show it.
1:04:58
We're broke. You don't care. You think it's funny.
1:05:01
You're lining your own pockets and you don't
1:05:04
give a shit about us. And this is the kind of
1:05:06
shit you're spending time and energy on. Every
1:05:08
time I look at the president's Twitter feed,
1:05:11
I'm always like, you don't care about us at all.
1:05:13
All you care about is your own stupid shit that
1:05:17
is stupid. That's why I would burn down
1:05:20
the White House. But how about you? Yeah.
1:05:22
You nailed it. It's that. When
1:05:24
I see him walk out and he puts these stupid
1:05:26
AI cartoons, he'll be like, there was one in
1:05:28
particular where it was like the Gulf of America.
1:05:32
And then he starts dancing in the cartoon. And
1:05:34
I'm like, you are losing two wars. You've just
1:05:37
spent like $40 billion on a war that you have
1:05:43
fundamentally lost and have no way to get out
1:05:45
of. Oil prices are going through the roof. What
1:05:47
are you doing? And then the American public,
1:05:51
I think to myself, how are you this disengaged
1:05:54
when this is what's going on? Meaning that $40
1:05:58
trillion, it seems that the American public just
1:06:01
fundamentally missed what you could have spent
1:06:04
that money on. And what did you get for the $40
1:06:06
trillion? And when you look at it and you find,
1:06:10
oh, wait, we didn't get anything for the $40
1:06:12
trillion. That should be infuriating. That should
1:06:14
be infuriating. Think of how much money that
1:06:16
is. No, I know. I did an AI search yesterday
1:06:19
in preparation for this show. All the shit that
1:06:21
$43 billion would pay for.
1:06:24
It's all you can imagine.
1:06:26
Literally, okay, for example, it would go along,
1:06:28
just that $43 billion would have gone a long
1:06:32
way to catching us up on all the infrastructure
1:06:34
maintenance that's been deferred maintenance
1:06:38
that the architecture and very other
1:06:41
societies have said we needed to do. We'd be
1:06:45
pretty much in good shape. We would be like 90
1:06:47
% okay, as opposed to being 20% okay.
1:06:50
The end of it. And if you did this
1:06:53
on a regular basis, like you did it every year,
1:06:56
you can, obviously you can
1:06:58
fully fund Head Start, which has been gutted.
1:07:01
You can send kids who are smart
1:07:04
enough to get into good colleges, you can send
1:07:06
them to those colleges so that they can afford
1:07:10
to go. You can put a big dent in,
1:07:13
you can expand Medicare for All maybe down to
1:07:16
age 40. There's lots of stuff you could
1:07:18
do. And they just, this is how they
1:07:20
want to spend their money. Our money. And you
1:07:23
could say, well, okay, well, who do you vote
1:07:26
for to deal with that? And I would agree with
1:07:28
you. Nobody. That's not a voting thing. That's
1:07:30
a breaking things thing. Yeah. That's
1:07:33
a burn it down thing. And I think this
1:07:36
is why Sanders was so popular. I think this is
1:07:39
why Trump, oddly enough, ironically, was so popular.
1:07:42
People were perfectly fine with breaking the
1:07:46
system in the way that it worked. But, absolutely.
1:07:48
Trump is not the guy that's going to break it.
1:07:50
He's just going to add lasers to the alligators
1:07:54
at the swamp. Right. Well, at least I haven't
1:07:57
seen any alligators, but I want those alligators
1:07:59
in the river just because it's going to be awesome.
1:08:01
He's such a little boy.
1:08:03
He's having a great time. It's like when you go see
1:08:05
a band and their eyes are twinkling and they're
1:08:08
having a great time and they're jamming. They're
1:08:10
having a good time. And that's nice if you're
1:08:13
a fan. The thing is only Trump and his buddies
1:08:16
are having a good time and we're not having a
1:08:18
good time and that sucks. Billions
1:08:21
of dollars, excuse me, like four billion dollars
1:08:24
which is again another reason why you think yourself
1:08:27
why don't they burn the down. You see that
1:08:29
and you think yourself okay my life is getting
1:08:31
harder and he is literally enriching himself
1:08:33
off of the office. WTF.
1:08:38
Maybe it's an individual
1:08:40
thing, like the fact that people consider themselves
1:08:44
individuals. So all of the choices are made individually
1:08:46
and you don't speak to your neighbor. So you
1:08:48
don't talk to your neighbor. You guys aren't
1:08:52
necessarily. You have this kind of ethereal
1:08:54
thing of being on the same page because 80 percent
1:08:57
of the public disagrees or 60 percent. But what
1:09:02
does it mean in real human terms in regards to
1:09:04
trying to actually do something? And no, the
1:09:07
one king rally nonsense is dumb. It's dumb. If
1:09:09
you did it every day. And it was day after day,
1:09:11
kind of like the yellow vest movement in France.
1:09:13
Yeah. So dumb. No Kings thing. Oh my God. So
1:09:15
yeah, BLM, BLM, when they burned down the police
1:09:17
station, it wasn't even a police station. It
1:09:20
was like an old police records depository that
1:09:23
used to be a police station. I was like, oh,
1:09:27
now things are happening. Okay, this is
1:09:30
a move in the right direction. We're not quite
1:09:32
there, but okay, I can get behind this
1:09:37
now. So, all right. So, guys,
1:09:40
we are now in the Q&A section of the show. Okay,
1:09:42
so let's talk about, let's hit a few more comments.
1:09:45
Kilroy, Sonali is still bitching about y'all
1:09:48
on her Facebook. FYI. Is she? What a flaming,
1:09:51
the C word she turned out to be. What is she
1:09:53
saying? Cunt is literally
1:09:56
the last word that still shocks, I think.
1:10:01
Fuck doesn't do it anymore.
1:10:05
But that's like the last one where it's like,
1:10:09
whoa, whoa. Using that one, Beverly Hills Housewives.
1:10:12
One of my favorite people on the show, Dorit.
1:10:16
My mom hates her. My mom hates Dorit. She's like,
1:10:18
she runs her house. Love Dorit, right? And she
1:10:22
called that girl a C word and everybody was like,
1:10:25
oh my God. Everybody like, oh my God, she's using
1:10:28
this word like this. I don't know why it shocked
1:10:30
so much, though. For some reason, that is the...
1:10:35
Sonali's just working it. That's all it is. Do
1:10:38
you think so? Or do you think she's really bothered?
1:10:41
Let me put it this way. She got the apology.
1:10:45
That's it. Have you ever had that thing with
1:10:48
a person where they... I hate to say it. Where
1:10:53
it's like, you screw up. And then...
1:10:57
You tell them, okay, I'm sorry, you're
1:11:02
right. I shouldn't have done that. And they just
1:11:05
won't let it go. And okay, at that point, they
1:11:09
become the asshole. Because it's like,
1:11:15
what are you supposed to do? You can't go back
1:11:19
in time like Superman. What are you going
1:11:21
to do? Sorry? Just let me apologize. I don't
1:11:25
have to accept it. That's true. You hit my car.
1:11:27
You cost me $10,000. And then you don't want
1:11:28
to pay for it. Well, that's not an apology. That's
1:11:31
not a real apology. A real apology is,
1:11:34
hey, let me know where I should send the check.
1:11:36
Yeah, but, okay, I see what you mean.
1:11:38
There's nothing more you can do. There's
1:11:40
a monetary damage there. So that's penance.
1:11:47
That's restitution. You
1:11:50
bombed your country. Okay, well,
1:11:53
I should pay to make it better. Yeah, but if
1:11:55
you apologize for it, they don't have to accept
1:12:00
your apology. No, they don't. But even if you
1:12:03
pay to make it better, it doesn't mean they're
1:12:05
going to feel some kind of way. You murdered
1:12:09
a bunch of people. Why should you be okay with
1:12:11
that? No. They don't have to accept. But if all
1:12:14
you did was insult someone, then honestly, it's
1:12:17
not that grievance. You don't have to accept
1:12:18
it, but that's on you. It's your choice.
1:12:21
It's certainly your right not to accept. If they
1:12:22
said something about a dead family member that
1:12:23
you loved greatly, I accept that. Look,
1:12:25
I'll take you for me. I got into an argument
1:12:28
with somebody on the show. And she flamed out
1:12:32
left on air. And I was like, what the fuck? And
1:12:35
I stayed to talk to the audience, by the way.
1:12:38
You can't dip out of your own show. You can't
1:12:40
dip out. You gotta stand under political pressure,
1:12:43
right? Because you say, the audience, anytime
1:12:47
there's a fight, there's usually a break
1:12:49
with the audience. There's going to be some that agree,
1:12:53
some disagree. And they're going to be animated.
1:13:00
And it's like, you can't dip out. You've got
1:13:04
to stand in the political pressure and take that
1:13:08
shit. And I remember she, and this was the show
1:13:12
where I was like, I don't give a shit what my
1:13:14
audience thinks. You're not going to use
1:13:17
my audience to try to make your point. You make
1:13:19
your point. I don't care what they think. I care
1:13:23
what you, the argument is. And I remember she
1:13:25
apologized a few days later and I didn't talk
1:13:27
to her for a year. So you didn't accept her apology
1:13:32
for your apology. I did have to give her an apology
1:13:34
for the apology. A year later, when I got back,
1:13:35
I was like, look, I'm sorry. And because at a
1:13:37
certain point, it felt like, okay, dude, you
1:13:39
want to bury this, but it's been so long that
1:13:43
now it's awkward to do. It became that. Yeah,
1:13:46
we have compound interest as a crude. Right,
1:13:49
right. And I was like, hey, I just want to apologize.
1:13:53
Look, I'm sorry it took so long. Blah, blah,
1:13:56
blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It was my show. My show
1:13:57
is sacred. No, I hear you. I hear you. F.E.
1:14:02
So, Trump's arch should be the McDonald Golden
1:14:05
Arches. Have a drive-thru window, too. Well,
1:14:08
at least it would be useful, then. Democrats
1:14:11
should rename it the Trump Epstein Arch. Something
1:14:14
like that. Let's just add the two names together.
1:14:16
Totally, totally. Frazzle the ropey. Guys, the
1:14:21
combination of that guest in addition to Robby
1:14:24
or people like me is toxic. Please invite Mark
1:14:27
Frost instead, okay? Sure, we'll invite him.
1:14:30
We can have him on. Jackson, Ted, why do you
1:14:33
think there's been no Snowden-type leaks on
1:14:37
Epstein and also all videos of the IDF war crimes?
1:14:41
Well, the videos of the IDF work. Yeah, I was
1:14:44
going to say you can just subscribe to any
1:14:46
IDF soldier's feed on Facebook or X. And they're
1:14:50
all there bragging. And they
1:14:54
can't get enough of it. They're showing themselves
1:14:59
looting, abusing Palestinians, usually blowing
1:15:01
buildings up, wearing the local people's clothes.
1:15:08
Making fun of Islam. Yeah,
1:15:13
their war crimes are all there to be
1:15:15
seen. Yeah. Yeah, true. So that's not a problem.
1:15:20
Why have there been no Epstein-like
1:15:22
leaks? Sorry, no Snowden-like leaks.
1:15:24
Well, first of all, the Snowden leaks,
1:15:28
poor Ed Snowden. He tried to start
1:15:32
a national or international conversation on
1:15:35
illegal domestic surveillance of American
1:15:37
citizens by the NSA and other security agencies
1:15:44
and failed, right? Nobody cared.
1:15:46
Literally, God knows how much worse it's
1:15:48
gotten. Nobody cared. Right. So he tried. He
1:15:50
gave us that chance. And now he's
1:15:53
stuck in Russia for his trouble, and can't come home.
1:15:56
God, it's shameful. That's an example,
1:15:59
by the way, of what I mean about there's no difference
1:16:02
between Democrats and Republicans. Right. Like
1:16:05
a Democrat. Well, both Democratic and
1:16:08
Republican presidents have let him stay stuck
1:16:11
in Russia. If I were president, I would give
1:16:15
Snowden carte blanche, come back home. All is
1:16:17
forgiven. We will give you a parade down Broadway.
1:16:21
And a star on Hollywood Boulevard while you're
1:16:24
at it. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, why
1:16:26
has there been... Well... For the Epstein
1:16:28
files, the documents, Trump
1:16:32
has the documents, right? The department
1:16:34
of the, Jeanine Pirro has the documents.
1:16:38
She's sitting on them and they've only released
1:16:42
half of them. Again, to your point, Jamarl, the
1:16:47
American people haven't agitated to get them.
1:16:50
If there were riots in the streets and said,
1:16:57
we want to see the other half of these documents
1:17:00
non-redacted, they would do that.
1:17:03
But there's no pressure at all.
1:17:05
You don't
1:17:08
need a leak because the documents are
1:17:10
already available. We know they exist. We just
1:17:13
don't really know what's in them. And it's accepted
1:17:15
that he did it. Meaning it's the government fundamentally
1:17:18
accepts that he was a rapist of kids. And then
1:17:20
it's this kind of weird, strange phenomena of
1:17:24
all of these politicians effectively defending
1:17:30
pedophiles, which is very protest. Like, you'd
1:17:32
think that that would be just outrageous. Like,
1:17:34
because what we get in this country is, well,
1:17:37
the polls show that 80% of the public is against
1:17:42
Donald Trump protecting a pedophile. Okay, but
1:17:46
that's not really pressure. That's esoteric.
1:17:51
Yeah, that's just an opinion. That's an opinion.
1:17:53
Yeah. It's just very strange. You can have an
1:17:57
opinion, right? But it's like, how much do you
1:17:59
care about that opinion? True. Right. Do you
1:18:02
do anything about the fact that there is an opinion?
1:18:04
It's the apathy again. It's just
1:18:08
over the top on all of these issues. It is. It
1:18:11
is. And oh well, let's talk a little bit about
1:18:14
Greenland and Denmark. Is it okay if I repeat
1:18:17
what your response was when I posted this?
1:18:18
So when the news broke over the weekend that
1:18:21
Denmark had signed off on this U.S. security
1:18:23
agreement that Trump's been bragging about gives
1:18:26
perpetual U.S. control and veto power over basically
1:18:30
the foreign policy of Greenland. And we'll be
1:18:33
able to come and go as we please with our military
1:18:37
and so on. I'm not sure what the details actually
1:18:40
say. And once we get in, we get under the hood
1:18:43
and see it might differ from what the president,
1:18:48
how the president characterizes it. That wouldn't
1:18:50
surprise me in the least. But that said. Greenland
1:18:55
and Denmark have not denied what Trump had to
1:18:58
say. And your first response was,
1:19:01
cucks. And I was like, yeah. After all
1:19:03
that, right? Like the Greenlanders and the Danes
1:19:06
were literally mining the airstrips
1:19:09
in Nuuk. They were prepared to fend off an American
1:19:12
invasion. And this is how it all ends?
1:19:16
What the fuck? Why didn't the Danes just
1:19:19
say, even if the Danes were willing to
1:19:23
sign a security agreement with the US, why not
1:19:28
just say, guys, we'll just wait till Trump is gone. We'll do it with the
1:19:31
next president, whether it's a Democrat or it's
1:19:35
Vance. But we, on principle, we can't give Trump
1:19:41
this win after the way that he treated us. Trump
1:19:44
should have asked to have sex with the prime
1:19:46
before, but not prime minister. He should have
1:19:49
went further. He didn't ask for enough. That's
1:19:51
where I'm at. If they're willing to give
1:19:54
over like this, this is pathetic.
1:19:57
The reality is because they might have given
1:19:59
her over. OK, after deliberation, we've allowed
1:20:03
this. But these are acts that we're allowed.
1:20:08
This other stuff is just not allowed.
1:20:11
But it's insane. Trump has no claim to
1:20:14
Denmark. He has no claim to Greenland. He has
1:20:16
no claim to any of this stuff. He is just asserting
1:20:19
that's what I'm going to want. And I'm going
1:20:21
to take it one way or the other. Meaning effectively
1:20:23
threatening military force. They should have
1:20:26
made him use military force. Yeah. Bring it.
1:20:27
You're going to invade Greenland. Do it. Which
1:20:30
is why I kept saying I want to see Trump do it.
1:20:34
Because I don't believe he's going to do it.
1:20:37
No, of course not. Obviously not. He may.
1:20:40
It's Trump. Because the issue is, what is Greenland
1:20:42
going to do about it? What is Denmark going to
1:20:44
do about it? Are they going to say this is an
1:20:46
Article 5 issue? Well, the U.S. is already in
1:20:53
Article 5. Meaning, how are you going to repel
1:20:56
the U.S. from doing this if the U.S. puts its
1:20:57
mind to doing it? Not to mention under Article
1:20:59
5, the U.S. would be obligated to come to the
1:21:04
defense of Greenland against us. Yes. Right.
1:21:08
Yeah. So my thing was like, okay, well, what
1:21:10
are they going to do about it? I want to see
1:21:12
that. That shit's exciting. I was very punitive
1:21:14
towards Europe because from my point of view,
1:21:17
it's like you've watched him do this to Venezuela.
1:21:19
You've watched him try to do this to Iran. And
1:21:21
now you're all of a sudden up in arms now that
1:21:25
he's doing it to you. So why should I care about
1:21:29
you? I don't care about you in this case. I want
1:21:31
to see Trump do it. Well, he was able to get
1:21:32
them to effectively just hand it over. And to
1:21:35
be fair to Greenland, most of the stuff is already
1:21:37
under the U.S. auspices anyway, because they're
1:21:39
part of NATO. The idea that in a NATO country,
1:21:42
China and Russia was going to build bases, it's
1:21:44
just nonsense. The stuff that he's trumpeting
1:21:46
is stuff that was already there. The interesting
1:21:49
part is the US gets veto over mineral rights.
1:21:52
Meaning we get, according to Trump, and again,
1:21:55
we have to read it, but according to Trump, anybody
1:21:57
that wants to have any kind of development of
1:21:59
the island of Greenland and the resources on that
1:22:02
island has to get written permission from the
1:22:04
United States before that takes place. If that's
1:22:07
true, they've lost sovereignty. Correct.
1:22:09
Right. They are our bitch. Yes. Part of Denmark
1:22:14
is now effectively Americanized. And the U.S.
1:22:17
officials are all like Donald Trump Jr.
1:22:20
I know he's not an official, but still, he's
1:22:22
the president's son, was tweeting out pictures
1:22:24
of Greenland with a picture of Alaska. The lower
1:22:26
48 states and Greenland covered with the American
1:22:29
flag. And they said, and he's saying, now we
1:22:33
have Canada surrounded, LOL. Yep. You
1:22:38
opened yourselves up to that, Danes. I want to
1:22:45
celebrate it. I want them to celebrate it. Europe
1:22:49
deserves it. The Europeans annoy
1:22:51
the hell out of me. They have watched because
1:22:53
the Europeans were supposed to be the ones that
1:22:59
cared about international law. But they're supposed
1:23:03
to be the ones that were more rational and more
1:23:05
nonsense. The United States goes and attacks
1:23:10
Iran. And what does Europe do? They complain
1:23:14
about Iran. The U.S. breaks and violates the
1:23:16
JCPOA. And what does Europe do? They complain
1:23:20
about Iran and the response that Iran gave. They
1:23:23
say nothing about what the United States effectively
1:23:26
did. The murder of all of those fishermen. We
1:23:28
just murdered a bunch of fishermen over the weekend,
1:23:30
right? Again, Europe has nothing to say about
1:23:34
it. Capturing Maduro. Europe has nothing to say
1:23:37
about it. And now Trump is like, hey, I've been
1:23:41
able to steal this other stuff. Now I want to
1:23:44
steal Greenland. And they're like, whoa, whoa,
1:23:47
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We should talk about
1:23:49
this. Well, I have a question. Think
1:23:51
about it this way. So the United States has bases
1:23:53
in Italy, Germany, Romania, Great Britain. Let's
1:23:56
just round it up, call it half a million. We've
1:23:59
got 800 bases around the world. What can Europe
1:24:01
do? I mean, seriously, no, Denmark, sure they can
1:24:02
bark, but we protect them. Germany can bark, we
1:24:04
protect them. Well, we don't protect them isn't
1:24:06
really the protect from whom? Who's attacking
1:24:10
them to protect them from other Europeans?
1:24:12
You got to think about it. So the United States
1:24:19
NATO presence, we've talked about this before.
1:24:23
Well, that was originally
1:24:26
now it's the big bad Russians. Really those protect
1:24:29
them from each other. The United States gives
1:24:32
Europe a nice comfortable security blanket so
1:24:35
they don't need to be militarized where they
1:24:38
used to be. I don't know. This is a Fat Tony situation.
1:24:41
I don't think the U.S. I think Romania is going
1:24:43
to be just fine without a U.S. base. Well, I
1:24:45
agree. But the point that I'm trying to make,
1:24:48
though, is why are they not doing anything? They're
1:24:50
occupied. You mean Europe? Yeah. They're part
1:24:52
of the United States. They're part of the, quote,
1:24:55
white world. From the US, Europe, Australia,
1:24:57
Japan is, wants to be in that club.
1:24:59
It's like the 40% of the world that comes together
1:25:06
and they lump together in regards to their choices,
1:25:09
looking at themselves as this is the white world
1:25:11
and us engaging. Trump is breaking the rules
1:25:14
because Trump is going after white territory.
1:25:18
True. Very white territory. But I don't think
1:25:21
the level of melanin in your skin really plays
1:25:27
into it. The fact is, if you have half a million
1:25:31
foreign troops on your soil, what can you do?
1:25:34
The answer is exactly as you're told. Until the
1:25:36
Europeans expel the American military, they're
1:25:38
going to continue being thugs 100%. They should
1:25:40
have made America do it. This weak nonsense is
1:25:44
like, look, Carney, what Carney got right was
1:25:49
when Trump came to him and wanted to change the
1:25:51
deal. Why do we want Trump to change the deal?
1:25:53
Because from his point of view, you are so weak
1:25:56
and incompetent and you're so dependent on us.
1:26:00
We can get you to do anything. If Trump said,
1:26:03
I want to have sex with Mark Carney and I want
1:26:06
it to be on TV. What Trump in his mind thinks,
1:26:11
well, Canada may give me that. It behooves Carney
1:26:15
to say F off. There are limits to the relationships
1:26:17
to which we have. And you're not going to make
1:26:19
us look incompetent, or for that matter, make
1:26:21
us look like we're some kind of junior partner.
1:26:24
Europe apparently hasn't got that message. Even
1:26:27
if it's a good marriage, a husband or a wife
1:26:30
has to say no to certain things. I don't want
1:26:32
to bring a fourth person into the bedroom. No,
1:26:36
don't be looking at my cat that way. Yeah, don't
1:26:39
look at my cat memory, right? I know you're joining
1:26:42
the feds, but don't look at my cat memory. Mark
1:26:44
Carney wasn't worried about Donald Trump attacking
1:26:46
Canada. Why is Greenland worried about Donald
1:26:48
Trump attacking Greenland? I don't know. They shouldn't have been. Nothing would have
1:26:53
happened. And you know what? Better to all die.
1:26:59
I used to have this conversation with
1:27:02
my father-in-law, who was a big Taiwan independence
1:27:05
activist for the DPP. And he would say like,
1:27:08
oh, why doesn't the U.S. give Taiwan its independence?
1:27:10
And I said, if Taiwanese want their independence
1:27:15
from China, they should declare it. Oh, but then
1:27:19
China would invade. They might. I don't think
1:27:20
they would, but they might. Then China would
1:27:22
kill a bunch of Taiwanese people. That certainly
1:27:25
would happen. And it's like, do you want your
1:27:27
independence or not? That's the question. Are
1:27:31
you willing to pay a price in blood and treasure
1:27:35
to get it? And I was like, look at East Timor.
1:27:38
They couldn't resist the Dutch. They were tiny.
1:27:41
And the Dutch did slaughter them by some accounts
1:27:43
by half their population. They slaughtered them.
1:27:46
But the world saw that. And they were like sorry
1:27:49
against Indonesia, right? And they were just like
1:27:51
we're just gonna, no, we're giving
1:27:53
these people their independence. They've
1:27:56
suffered a lot. They fought for it. They have heart.
1:27:58
They deserve it. That's how this works. And
1:28:01
same thing with Greenland. It's like come on.
1:28:05
Seriously the way I look at Greenlanders
1:28:09
is like you guys literally survive in a place
1:28:12
with polar bears against terrible weather,
1:28:15
right? The worst weather, where you live
1:28:17
is your enemy. The land is your enemy. The
1:28:20
air is your enemy. The water is your enemy. And
1:28:22
it's with climate change, it's all melting and
1:28:24
changing and dangerous as shit, more dangerous
1:28:29
than it's ever been. And you're afraid of
1:28:31
the orange idiot in Washington? Grow up. You take on bears.
1:28:34
It's ridiculous. Denmark
1:28:37
sold them out. Yeah, Denmark sold them out. Yeah,
1:28:41
I think Greenlanders would have fought. They're
1:28:44
talking about a contract that extends beyond
1:28:48
independence. And I was like, okay, that's nonsense.
1:28:51
Greenlanders are tough motherfuckers.
1:28:53
Well, the idea that it's like if Greenland declares
1:28:56
independence. Let's say after this, Greenland
1:28:58
says, you know what? We're an independent state.
1:29:02
Yeah, Denmark's not protecting us. Denmark's
1:29:07
not protecting us. We're our own thing. They
1:29:10
could say we want the U.S. out, meaning we want
1:29:13
the military and everything else out. Now, the
1:29:15
problem is that they've allowed themselves to
1:29:18
now be militarized because apparently, according
1:29:21
to Donald Trump, they can just build whatever
1:29:24
military installation on the island. Now, again,
1:29:25
we have to see the contract in real terms because
1:29:27
Donald Trump can make up anything. But if any
1:29:31
of this is true, this is a loss of independence.
1:29:33
When Superman took the missiles, the nuclear
1:29:35
missiles off of every planet on Earth or every
1:29:38
country on Earth and threw them into the sun.
1:29:40
And when I saw that, I was like, every state,
1:29:43
Superman has just taken over the world. De facto.
1:29:44
Yeah. If your country, do we really believe that
1:29:47
the U.S. would be like, yeah, we totally want
1:29:49
Superman to take our nukes and throw them into
1:29:51
the sun? Hell no. Hell no. Do you really believe
1:29:55
that Russia, who Superman is an American icon,
1:29:57
that Russia is like, yeah, we're totally okay
1:30:00
with them taking our nukes and throwing them
1:30:02
into the sun? Nope. Superman did this shit on
1:30:06
his own. That's true. He went rogue. He went
1:30:10
rogue. Sovereignty up in smoke. I'm saying the
1:30:14
same thing is true here. If indeed you're giving
1:30:16
up mineral rights and you're putting a bunch
1:30:17
of military on the territory and the U.S. can
1:30:22
build whenever they want, you've lost your sovereignty.
1:30:25
And like I said at the beginning of this segment,
1:30:27
we should have, if Greenland, if Denmark
1:30:29
was predisposed to allowing the U.S. to have
1:30:31
such a deal, nevertheless, on principle, they
1:30:33
should have not let Trump have this. Be the president
1:30:37
who got it. Okay, we have more questions. Do
1:30:39
you think it's because they didn't want to pick
1:30:41
a fight that they knew they would lose? Like,
1:30:43
for example, World War II. They kind of kicked
1:30:46
the can down the road and just said like, oh,
1:30:49
we need to negotiate slowly. It's walrus season,
1:30:52
so we're busy right now. Listen, I agree with
1:30:55
both of you about what they should have done,
1:30:58
but I'm saying there's a reason why they didn't
1:31:01
do it is because they realized they are America's
1:31:05
bitch. Well, yes. Well, that's clearly what happened.
1:31:06
Yeah, I think it's that. No question. I think
1:31:08
they've done everything in their power to not
1:31:10
pick a fight with Trump, meaning Europe. And
1:31:12
Denmark, Greenland being an extension, it's just
1:31:18
kind of part of that conversation. Yeah, agreed.
1:31:20
And Amanda Raque has a question for you, Jamarl.
1:31:22
I heard you and Sloboda had a falling out. I
1:31:23
like both of you, so I hope you guys make up
1:31:26
soon. He's been spot on many things regarding
1:31:30
the war. It is not my fault. Let me put that
1:31:33
first and foremost. Okay. And if Sloboda did
1:31:35
that to anybody that was a host of an independent
1:31:38
show, if they were an independent show, they
1:31:42
would have did the exact same thing that I did,
1:31:44
which is effectively say, slide off. Look, what
1:31:47
it boiled down to is Sloboda didn't necessarily
1:31:49
like one of the guests that I had on the show.
1:31:51
I suspect it was because the guest was very critical
1:31:53
about Russia in general. And he effectively didn't
1:31:58
want me to bring the person back. And my thing
1:32:02
was, and I'll tell you exactly what I said, choices
1:32:05
or guest choices of the show are the purview
1:32:07
of the show. I have nothing to defend. Hence,
1:32:09
there's nothing to talk about. Meaning, I'm not
1:32:13
going to have a conversation with you about the
1:32:15
guests that I bring on my show. It's not your
1:32:17
business. And you can't dictate who I bring on
1:32:20
my show because it's my show. It would belie
1:32:26
any level of independence if you did that. It
1:32:29
doesn't really matter. You would become Greenland.
1:32:34
I would become Greenland. Yes. I've become green.
1:32:36
And my response to him was, you are behaving
1:32:40
out of bounds. I think he even said, like the
1:32:42
person who was acting abnormally here is you,
1:32:43
not me. This is not a me thing. This is you thing.
1:32:44
And he was very clear. And I said, I understand.
1:32:49
Thank you for your frankness. And that was the
1:32:52
end of it. Meaning, I'm not going to have a conversation
1:32:55
with you about my guests. It's none of your business.
1:32:57
Your power is to say I'm coming on your show
1:33:00
or I'm not coming on your show. That's it. That's
1:33:03
the extent of it, which is what he employed.
1:33:06
That's his business. I'm not going to hit him
1:33:08
for it because it's nothing to hit for. It's
1:33:12
his choice. But I'm trying to make the point
1:33:15
that that wasn't on me. I behaved the way I was
1:33:17
supposed to behave as the host of a show. And
1:33:19
maybe if I had a producer, they would have greased
1:33:22
the wheels on that and tried to make that work.
1:33:25
But I'm not a producer. I'm a host. And if you're
1:33:28
putting it to me as you either do this or else.
1:33:30
The answer is going to be obviously. Well, yeah.
1:33:33
That's analogous to some of the jackasses
1:33:35
who suggested I should get rid of, we should
1:33:37
get rid of Robby. It's like, yeah, you're not,
1:33:40
if you're not, you don't
1:33:43
get a vote here. It's not a democracy.
1:33:45
It's like, yeah. By the way, love Mark to death.
1:33:47
And it killed, like, I hated that he did that.
1:33:49
Meaning I hated the position. He put you in that
1:33:53
position. Yeah. Yeah. Don't put me in that position.
1:33:55
He shouldn't have. To do some shit like that.
1:33:57
And so it's like, I have no, there's, I have
1:33:59
no recourse. There's no, there's no
1:34:03
gray area. Yeah. The only possible solution
1:34:06
would be for him to reach out to you and say,
1:34:09
oh, I shouldn't have asked you for that. Yeah.
1:34:12
Which I would bring it back in a heartbeat because
1:34:15
I love Mark today. Right. Keep in mind,
1:34:17
this is a relationship that had been there for
1:34:20
over six years. And so it's like,
1:34:23
you've never asked me that for one. He's
1:34:25
made a point of saying he didn't like the person
1:34:28
once before. But again, you don't get a vote.
1:34:31
I understand how you feel about it. Fair enough.
1:34:33
But that can't, under any circumstances, dictate
1:34:36
how I run the show. And if I have an inquiry,
1:34:38
like in this case, I was inquiring about Syria.
1:34:41
And there's another ironic twist to the story
1:34:43
that I'm not even going to get into. But it's
1:34:47
like, OK, well, what is the Russian point of
1:34:50
view of this? What is the person with the serious
1:34:52
point of view of this? OK, what is another serious
1:34:55
point of view of this? These are just different
1:34:59
points of view on the exact same issue because
1:35:01
I'm trying to understand the issue. Right. I'm
1:35:04
sorry. I appreciate you don't like her. No, I
1:35:07
had that question when I had my old radio show
1:35:09
in L.A. I had David Duke on and people were
1:35:11
my and, as you can imagine,
1:35:13
many of my listeners were lefties and they were
1:35:15
appalled and they were like, oh, damn you. And
1:35:17
it's like, well, is David Duke a fucking interesting person to
1:35:18
talk to? Is he, is it compelling radio? Did I
1:35:20
challenge him? Was it worth listening
1:35:24
to? Was it enlightening? Then it was good radio
1:35:28
and it was worth having him on. It's like, how
1:35:31
did, why did you platform him? Blah,
1:35:33
blah, blah. Let's say a really big guest that
1:35:36
was on the show says, hey, if you bring David
1:35:40
Duke back on, I'm not coming back on the show.
1:35:43
Yeah. Well, I'd be like. I'd be like, well, sorry.
1:35:47
Bye. Yeah. There's no other way. It doesn't
1:35:49
leave you any out. There's no, yeah. You can't
1:35:52
say, even if you personally regretted having
1:35:55
David Duke on and you, and you're dying to have
1:35:58
this person on, you still have to say no. You're
1:36:00
stuck. You have to. Mark is a damn good
1:36:03
guess. And Mark has been more right. He's excellent.
1:36:05
Yeah. On this stuff than probably any other,
1:36:07
well, than most people I would say. And especially
1:36:09
than some of the other big names that are cheerleaders.
1:36:09
He is really good at and so yeah it was a big
1:36:13
loss personally and from standpoint of
1:36:15
the show. To be honest weirdly enough not
1:36:17
from the standpoint of the show my views have
1:36:20
gone up to like me I'm averaging 10,000 after
1:36:24
Mark but that's kind of a point. Mark was a really
1:36:26
good guess and Mark was really good at what he
1:36:29
was effectively doing so yeah he's a loss but
1:36:31
it's like you can't put people in the
1:36:34
corner like that especially in this particular
1:36:38
business because otherwise you're not an independent
1:36:40
show. You're a show where a Russian guest is influencing
1:36:43
the content of the show because the Russian guest
1:36:47
doesn't like somebody saying something bad about
1:36:50
Russia. It's like, okay, dude. Yeah, just can't.
1:36:52
So guys, I think Robby has pinned a link in
1:36:54
if you want to call verbally into the show.
1:36:57
So just a reminder of that. We have another 22
1:36:59
minutes left. We're just reminding everyone the
1:37:02
new schedule is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9
1:37:04
to 11 Eastern, and Tuesdays and Thursdays, just
1:37:06
like before, 9 to 10 Eastern. He said the Russian
1:37:09
guy mistake was not only in the stadium. Oh,
1:37:12
that's so funny. Oh, that's so funny. Man child.
1:37:15
Okay, I got to call out that banner.
1:37:17
On YouTube the membership tiers are $6.99, $12.99 and $24.99.
1:37:22
Okay so thank you Manchild for pointing
1:37:27
that out. Trent we will, Robby has asked Trent
1:37:30
what is that going on. I don't understand that
1:37:33
seems to be a mistake. I think Trent will fix
1:37:36
it. Yeah as far as I know prices for YouTube memberships
1:37:39
should not have gone up. One went up, one went
1:37:42
down. I mean, what? Yeah, I have no idea. No,
1:37:46
they're not. This is not correct. So the correct
1:37:48
ones are what we said, $4.99, $9.99, and $19.99.
1:37:53
Yep. And while I'm here, just a real quick thank
1:37:56
you. A lot of people have been going over to
1:38:00
the old YouTube channel and just letting stuff
1:38:04
run and stuff. I really appreciate it. A bunch
1:38:08
of y'all have become paid members. Truly thank
1:38:12
y'all. Because I could not keep working for
1:38:15
JT and Ted without y'all's support. Again just
1:38:19
a reminder please go to YouTube and run West
1:38:24
Glacier Gaming as long as you can. Overnight
1:38:27
is always good. Choose a long
1:38:30
running playlist. Okay so yeah so we yeah thank
1:38:35
you for the Makadin thanks for the dollar. We gotta talk about
1:38:38
We've got to talk about the
1:38:40
White House thing. Whenever the media gets banned
1:38:42
from the White House, they freak out. They're
1:38:45
like, and it's happened before. It will happen
1:38:47
again. This time Trump kicked out CNN, MS NOW,
1:38:49
and Politico among the gang who get to go into
1:38:52
the White House and yell questions or politely
1:38:56
hold up their hands and get questioned by the
1:38:59
president. My reaction to this tomorrow was,
1:39:04
okay, Trump's an asshole, stipulated, and also
1:39:10
there should be no, what good, there should
1:39:13
be nobody should be reporting from the White
1:39:16
House. It's totally worthless as far as
1:39:20
the standpoint of consumer people who watch CNN.
1:39:22
That money would be so much better allocated
1:39:26
to an additional war correspondent in Gaza or
1:39:29
in Kabul or something like, well, there's no
1:39:34
war in Kabul. But for some war
1:39:37
correspondency, some actual reporting,
1:39:39
do an undercover investigation, do some real
1:39:44
reporting. These are White House stenographers.
1:39:50
All they do is go and line up and ask and receive
1:39:54
canned answers from the White House press secretary.
1:39:56
It's a waste. There should be no such thing as
1:40:00
a White House correspondent. I've never once
1:40:02
heard of a major news story being broken by a
1:40:05
White House correspondent. Like, oh, thank God
1:40:09
I was at that press conference and I got that
1:40:11
question that answered that became a major news
1:40:14
story like that never will happen. I don't know
1:40:17
what they do, to be honest. There's
1:40:20
nothing. Donald Trump doesn't answer questions
1:40:22
in any way that makes any sense. And usually
1:40:28
it's just him doing stand-up, where it's like
1:40:34
the press comes in and Trump is free-forming.
1:40:37
And even when they ask him a hard question, eventually
1:40:40
they would just move on to something else when
1:40:43
Donald Trump just refuses to answer the question
1:40:45
or derides the reporter that asks him the question.
1:40:48
I don't know if it has any value anymore. At
1:40:51
one point, maybe in the old days, where presidents
1:40:55
used to actually answer the questions that were
1:40:59
asked of them, even if they didn't necessarily
1:41:02
like the question, they still had yeah that's
1:41:05
what it is it's a degradation of the office all
1:41:07
the way through and what I mean by that is we
1:41:10
have the forms of these things without having
1:41:13
the content of those forms. It's almost like a
1:41:15
copy of a copy. At a certain point it loses
1:41:17
the legitimacy that it started off with
1:41:20
because the faculty in and of itself makes sense,
1:41:24
right? You have a president schoolboy philosophy
1:41:26
of things. The president is doing stuff. That stuff
1:41:28
is important in regards to foreign policy and
1:41:30
domestic policy. And people want to know what
1:41:35
the president is doing. And so the press comes
1:41:37
and asks the president's questions. Again, all
1:41:40
of this makes sense in a schoolboy philosophy
1:41:42
way. Sure. The way this stuff is supposed to
1:41:44
work. But then when you get the president who's
1:41:48
just free-forming and it's like, oh, your paper
1:41:51
is trash. Your paper is trash. It's like you
1:41:54
guys are it's just all fake news. And then it's
1:41:56
like Fox News, Peter Doocy. And Peter Doocy was
1:41:59
like, Mr. President, you have a really nice
1:42:01
tie you got on. Where did you get that tie? Oh,
1:42:03
I'm glad you like the color of my tie. My tie
1:42:05
is red. This is a Trump tie. Yeah, this is a
1:42:08
Trump tie. You can buy these for $5.99 on a
1:42:09
thing. Next person. That is pointless. That is
1:42:11
a pointless endeavor. The form makes sense. The
1:42:13
content is like candy. It's sugar. It's just
1:42:16
sugar. So I don't know. All of the reporters
1:42:18
should have walked out after that. All of them
1:42:20
should have said, well, if CNN and them not allowed,
1:42:23
then we're not going to participate either. You
1:42:25
just have a bunch of podcasters and to do press.
1:42:27
Even the podcasters should have walked out. Yeah,
1:42:28
agreed. There should have been solidarity.
1:42:31
Mind you, they should have did that when
1:42:33
they shut down RT and Sputnik. True. Yeah. By
1:42:39
the way, do you think they're going to hold that
1:42:43
level of solidarity or, eh, sucks to CNN, MSNBC.
1:42:47
We're going to keep moving. Do y'all think we
1:42:50
actually have a real media in this country? I
1:42:52
don't. I think podcasting is really all that
1:42:54
you've got. But as far as corporate media, it's
1:42:56
dead. It's a rotted, animated corpse just shambling
1:42:59
down the street, moaning about it has pus running
1:43:02
down his face. It's a relic of a bygone era.
1:43:04
There's no Walter Cronkite anymore. Yeah, there's
1:43:05
not a Walter Cronkite. Well, because it's not
1:43:09
adversarial, right? And so, yeah, I'm with Robby.
1:43:11
If it's not adversarial, it's fucking
1:43:16
worthless. And it doesn't mean that you have
1:43:19
to attack the president or a local official gratuitously
1:43:22
for no reason whatsoever. But when there's bullshit,
1:43:29
which there always is because it's human beings
1:43:32
and it's politics, you've got to call it out.
1:43:37
And if you think about the old days of,
1:43:39
say, Richard Nixon, first of all, presidents
1:43:43
used to give a lot more press pressers, right?
1:43:46
Like Richard Nixon, he was in there like
1:43:48
twice a week. And he was mixing it up with
1:43:54
them and they would, they're like asking
1:43:56
him about Watergate. And if he didn't want to
1:43:58
answer the question, then the thing
1:44:02
is they had solidarity in that if a
1:44:06
question got ignored, the next person would set
1:44:08
aside whatever question they had in mind. And
1:44:10
they would ask the same question to try to force
1:44:14
the president to answer it or the press secretary.
1:44:18
Right. As if memory serves. Nixon's press secretary
1:44:20
was Ron Ziegler. And at one point Ziegler
1:44:23
even became a verb in the American dictionary,
1:44:26
which meant to basically to dissemble and not
1:44:29
answer a question directly. And
1:44:30
it was a lot better then than it is now.
1:44:32
I don't really know what these guys do. I assume
1:44:35
they have an office in the White House, these
1:44:38
reporters and with little cubicles. And if a
1:44:40
White House official wanted to, they could meet
1:44:42
with the reporter and either leak information
1:44:44
or give it to them officially. They could release
1:44:49
stuff. But they could do that by phone
1:44:53
or by email or by text message, right?
1:44:56
That's probably how most of this happens anyway.
1:44:59
If you were a White House, let's say
1:45:02
you're Pete Hegseth and you're like,
1:45:04
I want to come out as gay,
1:45:08
you're not going to waddle down to the press room at
1:45:11
the White House. You're going to meet at a good
1:45:15
gay bar in Georgetown and you're going to meet
1:45:18
your reporter and you're going to leak that information
1:45:20
there. Right. You do it on
1:45:25
the DL. So I don't see why.
1:45:28
I don't even, there's no purpose to this.
1:45:31
And it really becomes so clear when
1:45:34
they have the White House Correspondents Dinner,
1:45:36
right, which is sponsored by the Association
1:45:38
of Reporters who do this job. It is a
1:45:42
bygone era. And I remember sitting
1:45:44
at a press conference in Afghanistan with a bunch
1:45:47
of other reporters looking around and they were
1:45:49
all asking questions
1:45:53
from some local warlord, Abdullah Abdullah. And
1:45:54
literally, it was like, I remember thinking,
1:45:57
I just got ready to leave, and one of the reporters
1:46:02
was like, where are you going? I was like, anywhere
1:46:05
else. I'm like, this is the only place in Afghanistan
1:46:07
where there's no news going on. I can go
1:46:09
down to the bazaar and find news. There's literally
1:46:11
nothing going on here. And that's what it's like
1:46:16
now. A press conference is a news-free
1:46:19
zone. Well, I don't know anything that they've
1:46:22
ever broken in one of these press conferences,
1:46:24
especially in this administration, anytime soon.
1:46:26
Or previous ones. Like you don't get anything.
1:46:31
Like I said, understand the form. It's the content
1:46:33
that is lacking. I don't see the purpose. It's
1:46:35
not like the president is saying anything. Like
1:46:37
Donald Trump writes everything on social media.
1:46:40
And he looks like he just uses it as Showtime
1:46:45
at the Apollo. He's just free-forming, dancing.
1:46:49
And it would be like, hey, Pete, blah, blah,
1:46:53
blah. And Hegseth may get some kind of weird
1:46:55
commentary and go to Rubio. And then all of them
1:46:59
saying how great the president is at times. They
1:47:00
were like, well, the president has led us to
1:47:04
a dominating victory in Iran. And we're going
1:47:08
to name the state of America. We're going to
1:47:13
drink vodka in Iran. And he's like, oh, thanks,
1:47:16
Pete. And they go to Rubio. And Rubio's like,
1:47:18
well, we're getting a dominating victory in Ukraine.
1:47:20
We're going to bring it to a close pretty soon.
1:47:23
And we're going to kick those Cubans in the face.
1:47:26
Like, all of them tells him how great the president
1:47:28
is and how great the job he's doing. Basically
1:47:30
are like, it's pointless. It is a waste
1:47:33
of time. No question about it.
1:47:34
Last week you came on DMZ America with Scott
1:47:36
and we were talking and the topic
1:47:39
was, can, will, has Trump changed America
1:47:41
forever? This is an example of which, in which
1:47:43
Trump has changed the presidency forever.
1:47:46
Whoever the next president is, it's not like
1:47:47
we're going back to
1:47:49
oh, you're meeting the press
1:47:51
every day the way JFK used to, and you're really
1:47:54
trying to be honest, and you're shooting the
1:47:56
shit, and there's a repartee, and you're trying
1:48:02
to reveal what's really going on, and you're
1:48:05
being transparent. That shit is done.
1:48:08
This whole ritual should go away. It's like the
1:48:11
State of the Union address. It is totally fucking
1:48:14
worthless. It's a waste of fucking time.
1:48:17
I do think there should be a constitutional mandate
1:48:19
for the president to sit down with the media
1:48:21
frequently and answer harsh questions. But
1:48:28
there isn't. So until there is, what is
1:48:31
the point of this? The only way that works is
1:48:33
if also you mandate for the president to be honest.
1:48:36
Yeah. And yeah, the president can't lie to the
1:48:39
public. The president has to be truthful. Look
1:48:42
up that truth serum in the polygraph. Yeah. It's
1:48:44
something, but I don't even know how that works.
1:48:48
Right. Because it's like, how does the president,
1:48:53
there are times where the president needs to
1:48:55
be able to lie. Well, also determine what's a
1:48:58
harsh question. What does that even mean? What's
1:49:02
a harsh question to me may not be a harsh question
1:49:05
to either one of y'all. True. And by the way,
1:49:07
the harsh question might just be one that embarrasses
1:49:10
the president. Hey, like the guy that asked the
1:49:13
other day about corruption, he was like, how
1:49:16
on earth can you claim that you're trying to
1:49:20
clean up corruption when the president is as
1:49:23
corrupt as he is? Okay. Good question. And the
1:49:25
response was like, well, that's a loaded question.
1:49:27
No, it's not. No, it's not a loaded question.
1:49:29
It's a very straightforward question. It's a
1:49:33
very straightforward question. You don't like
1:49:36
it. Does he consider it harsh? Probably. Is it
1:49:38
true? Yes. It's like how Zionists call everything
1:49:40
blood libel. Yeah. Oh, I don't like the design
1:49:41
of the Israeli flag. That's blood libel. No,
1:49:43
no. It's like the U.S. I don't believe that
1:49:46
the U.S. should be compensated in Israel in
1:49:48
order to kill people. That's blood libel. I can't
1:49:51
believe you're thinking that. I can't even know
1:49:53
what blood libel is. So Ben Moser. That's the
1:49:56
eating babies thing, right? Pardon? That's the
1:49:58
eating babies thing, right? Yeah, it's the eating
1:49:59
babies thing of the Middle Ages. Yeah. Yeah,
1:50:02
so Ben Moser is going to be on tomorrow. Yes.
1:50:05
So that's going to be cool. Author of Anti-Zionism,
1:50:08
A Jewish History. Highly recommend the book.
1:50:12
So, okay, let's see what other questions we have
1:50:15
here. Okay, RoguebotMD. AI and data centers cost
1:50:16
over a trillion dollars at this point, and the
1:50:18
White House is betting the economy on AI. But
1:50:19
Trump is only using AI to make memes. There's
1:50:23
something wrong with that. That's pretty funny.
1:50:26
Did you see them try to blame the AI and the
1:50:28
data center on the murdering of all those kids?
1:50:31
No. They basically, so Bloomberg came out with
1:50:34
an article that pointed out that it was that
1:50:37
the United States is, that over-reliance on
1:50:41
AI, if I'm not mistaken, Palantir specifically,
1:50:44
and old data was part of the reason. In fact,
1:50:52
I think I even have the article. Old data definitely
1:50:54
was part of the reason that that happened. Well,
1:50:57
but let's be honest. The United States,
1:51:00
the number of civilians we used to kill
1:51:06
in the drone strikes and everything else was
1:51:08
monstrous. It was like 80, 90 percent civilians.
1:51:12
So killing civilians is not necessarily a new
1:51:15
thing. Also, one of the things they did was get
1:51:18
rid of the faculty that was checking to see whether
1:51:21
or not there would be civilians in a particular
1:51:24
area. And they said quite clearly, we knew pretty
1:51:29
clearly and pretty early on that this was a school.
1:51:30
This is not a military. Also, doesn't Israel
1:51:34
have shit tons of Mossad spies in Iran? It's
1:51:36
like a major problem for the Iranians. John used
1:51:39
to talk about it all the time. And like, couldn't
1:51:41
they have sent someone over there to do a drive-by
1:51:44
and just check out the spot? They
1:51:46
don't care about civilians. Right. No, they don't.
1:51:49
Israel's own systems didn't care about civilians.
1:51:52
When they would take down an apartment complex
1:51:53
to get one guy. And they were basically they
1:51:58
made sure that the systems really cared less
1:52:01
about things like the who's daddy thing that
1:52:03
was killing people when they came back home.
1:52:07
So like they didn't care. So I don't think Israel.
1:52:10
They're not going to tell us in any particular
1:52:13
way that we cared. But my point is, I think it's
1:52:16
nonsense. We cut down our the bureau or whatever
1:52:19
that entity was that tried to check the maps
1:52:21
agency. Yes. They dropped it by like 90 something
1:52:23
percent. So even like we even if people want
1:52:24
to make the argument, it's a DOGE thing. Is that
1:52:27
the name of it? Yeah, it's a DOGE thing.
1:52:29
When Elon
1:52:31
Musk fired a bunch of people who turned out that
1:52:33
we needed. Yeah, but see, I think they gutted
1:52:37
that because they wanted to gut it, not because
1:52:39
it was DOGE. I think they gutted it because they
1:52:42
didn't care about civilians. Meaning when you
1:52:47
get rid of an agency like that, you're saying.
1:52:49
Oh, yeah. The civilian. What was that called?
1:52:53
Something like the Civilian Casualty Mitigation
1:52:58
Board or something like that. Something like
1:53:02
that. Yeah. Hegseth got rid of it. Yeah. Yeah.
1:53:04
Because I'm a warfighter. I hopped up
1:53:06
on testosterone and testosterone-filled warfighters.
1:53:09
Totally straight. Not gay at all. Yeah. Totally
1:53:11
straight warfighter. Yeah. Who loves
1:53:13
his warfighters to have shaved legs, manicured
1:53:15
hands, no hair on their chest. Very pretty. Very
1:53:17
pretty. If you get rid of an organization like
1:53:19
that, you're making a very clear announcement
1:53:22
that we don't care about civilians. We don't
1:53:25
care. No, that's literally it. So the MAPS agency
1:53:27
basically claimed that, yeah, basically
1:53:29
their claim was that they used 15-year-old
1:53:33
data, right? Look. 15 years is a long
1:53:36
fucking time. And a lot of things happen
1:53:40
on the ground in 15 years. I have to admit, if
1:53:43
they had said like, oh, little did we know that,
1:53:46
Iran put a school there and they took
1:53:51
three, they built it over the summer and it took
1:53:55
three months for them to build. And we used information.
1:53:56
I might be able to say, okay, that's a tragic
1:54:00
accident. But by your own account, and I know
1:54:04
this reporting has been, I think, has been kind
1:54:08
of surpassed by changing events, right? Where
1:54:12
now it's kind of like being told it was probably
1:54:16
intentional and then probably it's nonsense that
1:54:18
it was old data. But your excuse is you used
1:54:22
15-year-old data. Well, that's on you. That's
1:54:25
negligence. That's your fault.
1:54:28
By your own account you didn't care if you
1:54:30
killed innocent civilians. I said never
1:54:34
has cared about killing civilians. We dropped
1:54:36
two nuclear bombs. We firebombed Tokyo. We firebombed Dresden. We firebombed
1:54:40
Nuremberg. We genocided the Plains Indians, the Sand Creek
1:54:44
and the Wichita. This is not new to the
1:54:46
American way of war, right? So can we just put
1:54:48
it like that? That we are not the most moral,
1:54:51
most outstanding army that God has ever created.
1:54:54
No, that's the idea. Everyone knows that. I know.
1:54:57
And the way the media talks about it, the media
1:55:01
is always going to talk about it as we're the
1:55:04
most moral military. This goes back to
1:55:07
the Hasan Piker thing, right? It's like, oh,
1:55:09
my God, I can't believe Hasan Piker said that.
1:55:12
Why can't you believe Hasan Piker said that?
1:55:16
Right? The media, the way they talk about
1:55:18
it. Even for MSNBC. They would go after
1:55:22
Trump, but they would preserve institutions.
1:55:27
So Trump is using the military for this.
1:55:30
Trump is doing this. It's kind of like the Netanyahu
1:55:32
thing. It's like, well, we're not going to indict
1:55:36
the state. We're going to indict one man in order
1:55:39
to kind of be a senator for the state. They're
1:55:41
doing this with Trump. And the media does this
1:55:45
all the time when it talks about these issues.
1:55:47
So they would never point out, hey, we bombed
1:55:49
plenty of wedding parties. We bombed plenty of
1:55:51
wedding parties. Now, they want to make it like
1:55:53
it's a mistake. Right here, Pentagon investigators
1:55:58
have discovered the flawed intelligence, outdated
1:56:01
imagery, and over-reliance on AI contributed
1:56:04
to a missile strike that killed 123 children
1:56:06
in Manab, Iran. Yeah. Stake my ass. I mean, the
1:56:09
American people, by and large, have a problem
1:56:11
with a woman strangling her kids. So why would
1:56:14
they have a problem with the military bombing
1:56:16
a school? She didn't drown him. I thought she
1:56:18
strangled him. She strangled him. She didn't
1:56:20
drown him. By the way, the husband was on 60
1:56:23
Minutes last night. And said she was guilty of
1:56:25
sin. Is that what he said? I didn't see it. My
1:56:27
mom sent me a text and she was like, hey, the
1:56:29
husband was on. The husband was on. The husband
1:56:31
said she did it. Well, we know she did it. The
1:56:34
question is why. No, no, that she's guilty. That
1:56:39
she did it on purpose. If I remember, if my mom's
1:56:43
memory is correct, because I didn't see it either.
1:56:45
So I'm going to rely on somebody else's. All
1:56:48
right, we'll have to look into that. Yeah, do
1:56:50
further research. But if the husband said she's
1:56:54
guilty, would you change your point of view on
1:56:57
this? It would be influential.
1:57:00
I think he was there. It's his point.
1:57:03
I think he knows more about it than anyone else,
1:57:07
except for her. I would definitely listen
1:57:09
to what he had to say with great interest. Yeah.
1:57:12
All right, guys. So tomorrow morning, 9 a.m.
1:57:16
Eastern time, we will have joining us a special
1:57:19
guest, Ben Moser, author of Anti-Zionism, A
1:57:22
Jewish History. I think the title is very self-explanatory, but I think it's going to be an
1:57:23
interesting interview. Certainly, I've been reading
1:57:26
the book for the last week, and I have found
1:57:29
it super eye-opening. And man. These Zionists,
1:57:31
man, they're out of control. And their
1:57:37
biggest victims are Jews, which is the most crazy
1:57:39
thing about it. Lord knows
1:57:43
they've killed enough Muslims too and other people,
1:57:46
but Jesus Christ. Okay, so we'll get into all
1:57:49
that tomorrow. Thanks, everyone, for joining
1:57:54
us. And just a reminder, the new hours are Monday,
1:57:57
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1:58:03
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1:58:06
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1:58:08
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1:58:11
And have a great day. Bye. Bye-bye.