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S4 E31 - Antifa Founder Exclusive!! · The Steve & Jeff Show

• 0:34
  SPEAKER_06: Well, hey, thanks for singing us in Steve and Jeff Show band.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, it occurs to me, listeners, we are now in day 77 of the Epstein Fury, I excuse me, Epic Fury tour.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_06: You know, even though it's over, you know, in in air quotes, according to the White House, just so they don't have to face a vote in Congress, plenty of maximum lethality going on.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_06: In fact, I heard that they're going to do all future press briefings in Hebrew because after 77 days of this, their credibility Israelite.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_06: How's it going, Jeff?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_05: Good.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_05: Now, this this Epstein thing you speak of is there because I I I don't remember was that a long time.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's working, it's working, right?
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, part of the reason I don't remember that is because I just came back from Japan and I am completely in love with that country.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, beautiful.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_06: In every way here, I haven't been there, but a beautiful place.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you really need to go and you need to check out those toilets.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, that was the last week's theme was the toilets.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_06: It was everywhere, right?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_06: And we're there again.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_05: It was heavy on my mind, you know, last week.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_05: Apparently so.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_05: And now it is.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_05: But there's one thing about those toilets.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_05: I'm serious about this.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: You walk into the bathroom and the toilet automatically goes up, but only the top part, not the part that you sit on.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_05: And I was asking Kathy, I was like, Kathy, this is a flaw.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like, how come it's it's geared towards women?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_05: Because when men walk in, the second thing doesn't go up.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_05: And she said, Well, not for you.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_06: Because it because of the sensor.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_06: Well, maybe Japanese men just have better aim.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that could be anyway.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_06: It's a bigger surface.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_06: It could be.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_06: But I I love that country.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: Anyways, what's been going on since I've been gone?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, lots of stuff.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_06: Lots of cool stuff.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_06: Been hanging with the band a little bit.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, I'm doing some traveling here coming up tomorrow, too.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_06: I'm heading to Tampa, where I understand they have toilets.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if they're amazing, but we'll find out.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_06: Flying into George Burns Airport.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_06: You know, it's a big, big cigar town.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_06: So that's what I hear.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_06: But speaking of what's new, I got an email from one of our listeners.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_06: I know last week was the emails from Listener's show, and she didn't make that one.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_06: She knew she didn't make that one, and she still wanted me to read it.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_06: And normally I would say, hmm, snooze lose, but it sounds like this is a really important thing.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's Japanese, isn't it?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_06: I think.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, I think it is.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_06: Aragotto.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_06: That's Japanese plural.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yeah.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_06: So I this is she's really one of our best listeners, and it sounds like she's got a real crisis here.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_06: It's Sarah Longley of Indianapolis, Indiana, or some people say Indian No Place, Indiana.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_06: Uh-huh.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_06: She's been listening to our show for years, and I just kind of want to read this, you know.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I think that's nice.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we should do that.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, take it away.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_06: So she says, Dear Stephen Jeff, I love the way they all start that way.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_06: That's just so affirming, you know.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_06: You know, uh-huh.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_06: So, dear Stephen Jeff, I adore you both.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_06: See, how can you not like this lady already, right?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_06: I adore you both.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_06: You are so wise, especially when it comes to matters of the heart and relationships.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_06: It's giving us a hint.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_06: Arrigato.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's for that reason that I'm writing.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_06: I know it's too late to submit my letter for your regular segment.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, see, she knew that.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_06: And even if I did, you have so many submitted that I probably wouldn't get it read.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_06: Well, let me tell you, Sarah, I think you would have risen right to the top, but I but I digress here.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_05: Doesn't it kind of depend on how it was mailed and what how what kind of stamp is used?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like I hear those$200 stamps, you know, they go to the top of the list.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_06: And that's the question.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_06: You know, we never really decided if we get an email before the show airs, should we count that?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_06: Because the email didn't come in before we recorded the show, but it was sent before we recorded the show, but we only read it after the show had aired.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_06: So I you know, it's i we we probably probably have to take it to the Supreme Court and yeah.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_06: And we know how that might turn out.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_06: So but any but anyway, back to Sarah here.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_06: She says, This is an emergency.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_06: You see, I have a very romantic and loyal boyfriend who loves me dearly.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_06: We've been together for more than five years, and we connect in a way that is so intimate and real.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_06: I I always found that better than intimate and fake.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, although intimate and fake is is underrated in some ways too.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_06: I mean it's not that bad, but you know.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_06: True.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh it's like we have known each other for our whole lives.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_06: I think of him from the minute I wake up in the morning to the minute my head lands on the pillow at night.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_06: I guess that's when she goes to sleep too.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_06: Plus, he is such a good person.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_06: He doesn't have a lot of money, but works so hard, and in fact, he is trying to save up enough money to buy us a house so that we can get married and raise a family.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_06: However, recently I met this wealthy old man who was visiting Indy.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_06: He said that he likes me and has showered me with expensive gifts, including a diamond bracelet that is just beautiful.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_06: He's returned to Australia, but sent a message last night that he wants me to fly there and become his twelfth mistress.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_06: That was a great classic rock album, wasn't it?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_06: The twelfth mistress of Dr.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_06: I love that album.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_06: But I digress.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_06: Here's my question Going to Australia should I take American Airlines or Qantas?
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_05: Really good question.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_05: And it's important because it sounds like she doesn't have a lot of time to decide, and she probably won't be able to afford it much longer, no matter what she flies, the way the prices are going.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_06: You should buy the ticket now.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's yeah, but I I would probably go with American Airlines.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_05: I've had good luck with them, and I I've never flown Qantas before.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_05: So what about you, Steve?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_06: Sarah, this really does sound like an emergency.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_06: And I would say my answer between American and Qantas would be Delta.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, if you can't take Delta, I would have to say go with Qantas.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_06: Their lounges are beautiful, they have a frequent flyer program that really is the top of the industry.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_06: And that that kangaroo logo, it's just that's so cool.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_06: That is so cool.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_06: So, Sarah, thank you so much for that question.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_06: And when you're down in Australia, send us a picture.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_06: I hate to, gosh, I hate to feed into this theme, but send us a picture of your toilet flushing and the water going in the opposite direction.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_06: Because that's just so cool.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_05: And speaking of the water going in an opposite direction, they also have these sprayers.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_05: What do you call that?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, where it shoots up your butt.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, there's a there's a term for cinemas, colonics, yeah, yeah.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_06: Whatever.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, right.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_05: But they have they have like one for, you know, instead of using toilet paper, they have one for like in forward and one in the rear.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_05: I guess they're both in the rear.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_05: But then they have one called pleasure.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow, I'm telling you.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta try that.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_06: So, anyways, you know, one time when we were in Hawaii, we were in a place that had toilets like that that you know, it's automatic water and all that, but it they didn't have a s a pleasure setting that I recall.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_06: So I may have to check it out.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I've had water come up before, but you know, it usually just keeps coming and and you know, right.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, well, that's usually plumbing morning noon and every other night plumbing, you know.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_06: You gotta give them a call.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but it does make me proud that we help people.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_05: And at the end of the day, Steve, that's that's why we do this.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that and to make money and be famous and meet meet women like Sarah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_06: Well, yeah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, yeah, and and speaking of making money, one of the reasons that we make so much money is that we tackle the big issues of the day, the issues that most podcasters won't touch, the issues that that MMA fighter comedian, he's not touching any of these things.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_06: No, we and tonight we have exactly that type of show.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_06: Everybody knows that all the violence that results at any MAGA rally or protest, all the violence is 100% the fault of the formerly weaponized FBI or Antifa.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_06: Really, just read the corporate media, they're telling you all this.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's right.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_05: And we all know who the FBI agents are because they're in unmarked cars and they're wearing masks, and you know, they're always around helping ICE arrest as many people as possible, and they're always investigating the king's enemies.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_05: So we know who they are, but this Antifa, they're really an incredibly dangerous left-wing stealth organization.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, they consist of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who like nothing but violence.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yet, to my knowledge, I've never seen one.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_05: I've never seen an Antifa member.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if anyone who has seen one that's gonna change tonight because Steve, thanks to you, some of the hard work that you did, we found not only an Antifa member, but we found the leader of this group.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, and his name is Abby Hoffman.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_06: That's absolutely right, Jeff.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: And now to protect his identity, he he is wearing a mask, even though this is an audio podcast, but he is wearing a mask just so we don't know who he is, and he's not using his real voice.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_06: So the voice you hear is not Abby Hoffman.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, the voice you're hearing is a doctored voice, okay.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_06: So his identity is completely protected, his doctor voice.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_06: You know, sound too bullish, you know.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_06: But I digress.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_06: Welcome to the show, Mr.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: Hoffman.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for inviting me, and please call me Abby.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: But just to clarify, my father, Mr.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hoffman, Dustin Hoffman, we called him Dusty.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: But the reason why my voice is like this is that I have a cold and sorry, sorry.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have a cold and uh it's just really screwed up my voice.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_06: Now, Dustin Hoffman, is that Dustin Hoffman the actor or Dustin Hoffman the accountant?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, oh, oh, very good, very good.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_05: Well, this is so cool to have you on the show.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_05: Your secrets are safe with us.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe we should start at the beginning.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_05: You started Antifa back in 1956, is that right?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 56.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was like three years old at the time.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, that young, and you're starting a movement.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not absolutely sure, but I think I was out of diapers, so my movements were not really a big deal.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_06: He's diving right into the theme there, isn't he, Jack?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_06: I think so.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, obviously he didn't he wasn't raised in Japan.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, he'd have a water jet, you know.
• 11:26
  unknown: Oh god, I just love that thing.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm I'm sorry to remind you of it.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sorry about that.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_05: Of course.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_05: So go on wherever you were.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: You see, my Aunt Eva, she lived with us, and we were we were very close, and I was her little Abby.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, Aunt Eva.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_06: I bet she played a role in starting Antifa with you, right?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: She did.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: You could say that.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well honestly, here's what happened.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was a pretty cute kid, and I talked really fast and didn't pronounce some of those words really well.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: So when I would call out to my aunt, her name would sound like one word, and it ended up sounding a lot like Antifa.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, I just miss her so much.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you miss her because she was assassinated, right?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_05: Is that why you're so angry?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, I I don't think so.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: She lived to be 87, and honestly, she choked on a grape.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_06: I bet she got that grape from the FBI though, right?
• 12:31
  unknown: No.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it was from Whole Foods.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, all right.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_05: So this is where the name came from.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: And it's kinda is it kind of like Pet Smart, you know, like you don't know is it is it pet smart like smart pets, or is it pet smart like a Mart?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: So it's kind of like when you combine them together.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the same with Petco.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: You know, Abby, it it sounds like you've been in the subversive racket business for a long time.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_06: I I thought you got some great stories.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_06: What what stories can you share with us?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, please, of course.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that racket business is really just it's changed over the years.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I remember in the beginning, I manufactured mostly racquetball rackets.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that changed around the time of Jimmy Connors and Chris Everett being stars and dating.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so for a long time we just dominated this tennis market, but now it's pickleball everywhere.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: So you're you're basically saying the world has changed a lot since you started Antifa.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: We we we all need to adapt and change and and not fight it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's constant, right?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, amen.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_06: You are right on the right on target with that.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_06: I I know you probably can't share with us and our listeners a lot about where you're going to be in the future.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_06: You probably want to keep that relatively quiet, but maybe we can discuss some of your past trips.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right, my schedule is how do you say fluid, and it's like it's always changing, and it's just hard to be on the road 300 days a year.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, 300.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_05: I imagine 300 different events.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_05: That you're you were like everywhere.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it certainly feels like it.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know the opposition dreads seeing me that often.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: They know where I uh where I get the something happens, and it's usually not a good thing for them, if you know what I mean.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I hear.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_05: And and so I understand that you were in Washington, DC then in uh was it January 10th, was that 2020 or 21?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_05: For it was an anti-abortion protest, right?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh uh yeah, that's that's crazy.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I go there every year for this racket show at the Dirksen Convention Center.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: So many people, oh god, it's just hard to walk.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, everyone had a racket in their hand.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was loco.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I think that is really important, and I just want to point out that really confirms that guns don't kill people, rackets kill people.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: I bet you did a lot of damage there.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_06: How much damage did you do?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, quite a lot.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think we signed 20 21 retailers and sold about 200 rackets on that last day.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was quite successful.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: We we killed it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's what we heard.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_05: And so now I assume that you were in Washington, D.C.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_05: ever since January 6th, since you were in the area, you know, kind of killing two birds with one stone.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: I confess, that's exactly what I did.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is very crowded, but I'm so glad that I went.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, have you two ever been to the Capitol?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_06: I have, but breaking news.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_06: And this is great for our show.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_06: The head of Antifa, Jeff, the head of Antifa just confessed on the Stephen Jeff show that he was at the Capitol on January 6th.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_06: Could it be that at least this one megatrope isn't a lie?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_06: So what what what was it like being at the Capitol?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was amazing.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't been there since I was a little kid, and when I went with Olanda, I got the full tour.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Our our whole group went early, and I must say I don't regret it a bit.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_05: I guess if you believe strongly enough in something, then you don't have regrets, especially when you are supported by big organizations and people like George Soros.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that is a fact.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Soros, great supporter of ours and spent lots of money with us.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's uh much more active for his age than uh anyone would think.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know if you've seen it, but he has a mean backhand.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_06: Did not know that, but I bet you run into ice quite a bit.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_06: Do you run into them a lot?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, not for my racket company, but we also sell snowshoes and places where there's lots of ice.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh, we were there, I don't know, like Minneapolis.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_05: And that must have been really shocking, huh?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: So shocking, but good.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can't believe the crowds that form up when you set up shop.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, we all know about those crowds.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh it can get very dangerous, I would think.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it can, especially with the big crowds.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's easy to slip without the crowds, but get a bunch of people together and it can just get quite dangerous.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_05: I can imagine.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: So so outside of your aunt, have you lost anyone else along the way?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for asking.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the hard part.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Is when you've been doing this as long as I have, you not only lose your own people, but you become attached to the other side.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So when you lose them, it's it's almost as bad.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, that's kind of a Stockholm thing.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's wild, you know.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_06: You don't hear about that side of it and how much that could really hurt.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_06: I think, Jeff, if we can take anything away from this interview, it's that no one wants to see a loss of life.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you just do what you believe is the right thing and you just hope no one suffers.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_06: I assume along the way you've had a few injuries yourself being on the front line and all.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of bumps and bruises and I do recall I I fell on the way to a meeting and I broke my arm.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was rushed to a clinic immediately, and I mean it really it did work out all for the best.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_05: Abortion clinic?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was just there and someone put a cast on me.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_06: Sort of patched you up and put you back out there for the good fight.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_06: Abby, I really kind of changed my view.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_06: I, you know, we had different opinions about the organization, everything, but I must say, you're a very impressive person.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_06: Uh hats off to you, and and really I wish you well.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_06: I hope your travels are safe, and I hope you're you're successful.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_06: What what are you doing next?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_06: Where are you going next?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, time to get some stamps on that uh that old passport.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually going abroad.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Gonna head out to the Middle East.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: I thought you were only domestic, uh domestic terrorist.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um I used to be, um, but as we said, the world is changing, and so I'm starting off in Israel and then off to Jordan, and then maybe finishing in um Iran.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, that is that's quite the trip.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_06: I I bet you're gonna see a lot of stuff there.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I hope so.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I hear that getting through that um oh, what do they call it?
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: The Strait of Hormuz is uh quite a challenge.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: They really ought to do something about that, especially before someone gets hurt, if you know what I mean.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_05: I agree with Steve.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'd completely turn around on this, and you know, thank you for being on the show.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're quite welcome.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me on.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, thanks, Abby.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_06: I I tell you, it's really been a pleasure having you here.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_06: And I think I think a lot of people are gonna change their view of Antifa as a result.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_06: Probably buy a racket.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_06: I I think people that are people look at and maybe look at somebody like George Soros and say, Hey, this here's an old guy.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_06: He's out playing pickleball.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe I could do that too.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_06: And they'll get more active and they'll be healthier.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_06: And that's it's just it's it's good all around.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_06: This is really good.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_06: See, we're helpers, he's a helper too.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_06: We're all the same, and except for the ones that are different.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_06: Except the ones who are different, yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks again for coming on the show.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_06: And band, we're probably ready for you to sing us out, so get us out of here, band.