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The Kenny Report | 27 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in this week for Chris. Coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight the debate over net zero and nuclear. I'll
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  Speaker 3: explain why the Coalition needs to go big and bold
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  Speaker 3: on energy policy. Dozens injured after a car plows into
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  Speaker 3: football fans celebrating Liverpool's win. Plus live to Chris Kenny
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  Speaker 3: out of Kibbutz in Israel, where over one hundred people
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  Speaker 3: were killed by hamas on October seven, but first tonight,
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  Speaker 3: as the coalition's marital status remains up in the air,
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  Speaker 3: despite the Liberals agreeing in principle to.
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  Speaker 2: The Nationals demands.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever in principle actually means the time has come for
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  Speaker 3: serious debate on energy policy in this country. Drop net
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  Speaker 3: zero or retain the twenty to fifty target with nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: In the mix now. Of course, one of.
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  Speaker 3: The key lessons from the coalition's election loss is if
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  Speaker 3: you don't go big and bold and differentiate policy from labor,
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  Speaker 3: then you'll face years in the wilderness. So it was
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  Speaker 3: finally good to hear some common sense and straight talk
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  Speaker 3: about energy. Senior Liberal Andrew Hasty, who is undoubtedly a
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  Speaker 3: future leader of the party, has given his frank assessment
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  Speaker 3: on the Liberal Party's loss.
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  Speaker 2: He's told the ABC the.
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party's problems are so bad that without serious change,
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  Speaker 3: it may cease to exist. His suggestion to revive the
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  Speaker 3: party is pulling the plug on net zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: He's even likened the policy to a straight jacket on
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  Speaker 2: the party's future.
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  Speaker 4: The question of net zero again, that's a straight jacket
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  Speaker 4: that I'm already getting out of. The real question is
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  Speaker 4: should austray In families and businesses be paying more for
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  Speaker 4: their electricity.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good question and these are the sorts of
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  Speaker 3: policy positions that win elections. I mean, where was this
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  Speaker 3: months ago? Andrew Hasty has the goal and conviction to
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  Speaker 3: get the party back on track. Unfortunately, there are weak
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  Speaker 3: moderates in the Liberals who are ensuring Labour stay in
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  Speaker 3: power by even going as far as to publicly call
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  Speaker 3: for the coalition's nuclear policy to be dropped and debasing
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  Speaker 3: their opinions on polling and vibes.
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  Speaker 5: Most Australians believe climate change is real and we have
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  Speaker 5: to deliver energy policies that ensure that we reach zero
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  Speaker 5: targets and that we deliver stable power and power that
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  Speaker 5: is as cheap as possible.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a surefire way to keep Labor in power.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, no wonder, no wonder, they're in opposition. The
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  Speaker 3: reality is Labor is selling us a pup with its
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  Speaker 3: guarantees of getting two net zero twenty fifty on a
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  Speaker 3: renewables only fantasy ride and running scare campaigns on nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: Its policies are hurting families, pushing up power prices, and
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  Speaker 3: crippling the economy, a point not lost on Andrew Hasty.
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  Speaker 4: Should we allow this sort of hypocrisy at the heart
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  Speaker 4: of our economy to continue, whereby we sell coal and
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  Speaker 4: gas to India and China and we deny it to
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  Speaker 4: our own people. That's the question that I think we
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  Speaker 4: need to answer, And.
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  Speaker 3: He's not wrong. We sell our resources to China and India,
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  Speaker 3: two of the world's biggest emitters, and two countries who
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  Speaker 3: are not even signed up to net zero by twenty
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  Speaker 3: fifty themselves, and whereas it got us with higher bills
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  Speaker 3: and an unreliable energy grid during heat waves and cold snaps.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, the cost of climate action is high
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  Speaker 3: when you take into account the batteries, wind farms, hydro
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  Speaker 3: solar farms, transmission lines, emissions reduction policies over.
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  Speaker 2: Years and years.
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  Speaker 3: It would go into the hundreds of billions of dollars
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  Speaker 3: and what's the return on investment?
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  Speaker 2: Well, label will already undershoot.
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  Speaker 3: Its twenty thirty target by fourteen percentage points.
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  Speaker 2: That's according to experts.
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  Speaker 3: Australia needs ten thousand kilometers of high voltage transmission lines
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  Speaker 3: by twenty fifty, but the project is so far behind
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  Speaker 3: only half of it will be delivered in the next decade,
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  Speaker 3: so we aren't exactly getting bang for our buck here.
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  Speaker 3: Getting to twenty fifty on a part time power source
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  Speaker 3: leaves us open to the same blackouts experienced just weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago by Spain and Portugal. I mean, you only need
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  Speaker 3: to look at the progress being made globally to see
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  Speaker 3: how far behind we are. That zero has been dropped
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  Speaker 3: in New Zealand by revoking a ban on drilling for
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  Speaker 3: oil and gas, marking an end to a policy announced
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  Speaker 3: by former PMJ Sindura Dern. The UK Conservative Party will
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  Speaker 3: ditch its commitment a target set by the previous UK government.
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  Speaker 3: Former UK Labor Prime Minister Tony blam made and astonishing
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  Speaker 3: intervention just last month criticizing net zero policies, saying any
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  Speaker 3: strategy based on either phasing out fossil fuels in the
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  Speaker 3: short term or limiting consumption is a strategy doomed to fail.
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  Speaker 3: And we know Donald Trump has already scrapped it. But
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  Speaker 3: back home, even the nationals are divided on targets.
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  Speaker 6: This is the ability in any democratic process and that
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  Speaker 6: the national party runs, is that you can prosecute an
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  Speaker 6: individual case. But the policy that the last was determined
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  Speaker 6: and we actually reviewed it. There was a two or
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  Speaker 6: three times in which people wanted to re prosecute the
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  Speaker 6: net zero case, and in those cases the party room
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  Speaker 6: determined in majority that we should stick with it.
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  Speaker 7: Now the national support that zero twenty fifty that were
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  Speaker 7: several years ago.
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  Speaker 8: I wish my colleagues all the best, but while we
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  Speaker 8: remain committed to this crazy net zero missions goal, I'm
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  Speaker 8: not going to serve. If we re dumped this ridiculous goal,
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  Speaker 8: I'll do what I can to serve the team in
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  Speaker 8: the country in any role people think I'm capable of.
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  Speaker 9: Don't like that zero.
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  Speaker 10: Zero's disasters for our nation, disasters for everyone, and.
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  Speaker 3: What's even more dangerous is that Labor persists with its
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  Speaker 3: ban on nuclear, refusing to even understand the benefits of
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  Speaker 3: this clean, cheap base load power. We're already going broken
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  Speaker 3: backwards and are being left behind by countries who are
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  Speaker 3: either revisiting nuclear or investing in the energy source. Switzerland
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  Speaker 3: is seeking to lift the country's ban on new nuclear
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  Speaker 3: power plants. Denmark is revisiting its forty year nuclear power ban,
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  Speaker 3: the Belgian government is looking to reverse nuclear phase out policy,
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  Speaker 3: and of course, Donald Trump just days ago announced plans
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  Speaker 3: to accelerate the nuclear power industry, overhaul the US nuclear
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  Speaker 3: regulator fast track licenses for new projects and boos domestic
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  Speaker 3: fuel supplies.
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  Speaker 10: Sir, heart industry. It's a brilliant industry. You have to
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  Speaker 10: do it right, and it's become very safe and environmental. Yes,
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  Speaker 10: one hundred percent. I would say we'll be second to
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  Speaker 10: none because we're starting very strong. But it's time for nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: How Labour even plans to get to net zero twenty
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  Speaker 3: fifty was never explained or even detailed during the election campaign,
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  Speaker 3: Yet all we heard about was the lies that the
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  Speaker 3: coalition's nuclear plan would cost six hundred billion dollars and
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  Speaker 3: it's given getting more and more blindly ambitious. By twenty
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  Speaker 3: thirty five, it wants emissions to be sixty to seventy
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  Speaker 3: five percent less than they were in two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 3: and the only way they claim they're going to do
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  Speaker 3: that is to double down on renewables. Labour's thumping election
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  Speaker 3: win was not an endorsement of its energy policies.
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  Speaker 2: It's a re elected.
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  Speaker 3: Labour government with the same old fantasies of powering the
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  Speaker 3: country part time.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe that Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Hasty's clear and sheer assessment should serve as a big
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  Speaker 3: warning because without big change, the Liberal Party risks being demolished.
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  Speaker 2: Net zero is unachievable.
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  Speaker 3: We've been warned it's time to start recognizing the benefits
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  Speaker 3: of coal and uranium. It's time to start using the
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  Speaker 3: resources in our own backyard. And more importantly, the coalition,
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  Speaker 3: with some marriage counseling, needs to go big and stop
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  Speaker 3: pussy footing around on energy policy or be in the
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  Speaker 3: wilderness forever over In Liverpool, in England, almost fifty people
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  Speaker 3: have been injured, including children, after a car rammed into
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  Speaker 3: crowds and a warning this next vision is distressing.
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  Speaker 9: Oh holy oh, my god.
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  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 3: Now, look when you see that, it's truly remarkable that
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  Speaker 3: nobody died because hundreds of thousands of people had been
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  Speaker 3: out lining the streets celebrating Liverpool Football Club's victory parade
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  Speaker 3: when that incident happened. Now, UK police are working on
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  Speaker 3: a theory that it was deliberate, but have since ruled
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  Speaker 3: out terror. The fifty three year old driver of the
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  Speaker 3: vehicle has been arrested and here is the latest from
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  Speaker 3: sky News UK.
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  Speaker 12: The car came to a halt, it was surrounded, the
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  Speaker 12: driver was the focus of that. The police struggled to
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  Speaker 12: hold the crowd back. Those in shop ran from the
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  Speaker 12: scene as the emergency services run into the chaos. Merseyside
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  Speaker 12: Police arrested the driver. They described him as a white
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  Speaker 12: British man, a fifty three year old from the city.
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  Speaker 13: Extensive inquiries ongoing to establish the circumstances leading up to
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  Speaker 13: the collision and it is vital that people do not
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  Speaker 13: speculate or spread misinformation on social media.
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  Speaker 3: Now, look, we know that this is not an isolated incident.
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  Speaker 3: This year alone, we've had two such incidents. Eleven people
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  Speaker 3: were killed in Vancouver, British Columbia, with an suv sped
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  Speaker 3: down a closed street, hitting people attending a festival, and
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  Speaker 3: fifteen people died in an attack along Bourbon Street in
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  Speaker 3: a similar incident in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: And it's truly frightening. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Suddenly we need bollards here, there, and everywhere to prevent it.
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  Speaker 2: But you never get to that.
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  Speaker 3: Why do we have bollards on roads around the world?
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  Speaker 2: What are authority is protecting us from?
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  Speaker 3: If not terror, then the mental health excuse does not
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  Speaker 3: cut it. Let's bring in Liberal Senator Dave charmanout. Senator,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to catch up. Thank you very much for
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  Speaker 3: joining me. I want to start with net zero.
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  Speaker 14: How does the.
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  Speaker 2: Liberals navigate this?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got seniors in the Liberals like Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Hasty saying it's like a straight jacket. They want twenty
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  Speaker 3: fifty scrapped. You've got Nationals MPs some saying the same.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberals obviously want to win back city seats from Independence,
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  Speaker 3: including of course your former seat of Wentworth.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want net zero twenty fifty revisited?
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  Speaker 14: Let me make this point to begin with.
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  Speaker 15: It was the Howard government that took us into the
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  Speaker 15: Kyoto Protocol, right It was the Abbot government that signed
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  Speaker 15: us up to the Paris Climate accurt it was the
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  Speaker 15: Morrison government that signed us up to the Glasgow annex
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  Speaker 15: to the unf Triple C negotiation. So, you know, liberal
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  Speaker 15: or coalition governments throughout have had these debates and it's
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  Speaker 15: healthy and perfectly normal that they do so. But look,
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  Speaker 15: to my mind, the debate we should be having with
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  Speaker 15: the Labor Party is not about the direction to travel.
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  Speaker 15: It's about how we get there. What's our energy mix
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  Speaker 15: going to be in the future. Should we have nuclear
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  Speaker 15: power in the mix? Do we need gas in the
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  Speaker 15: short term? And I think that's a debate that the
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  Speaker 15: public is genuinely interested in. But I have a you know,
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  Speaker 15: I think this sort of totemic issue of net zero
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  Speaker 15: has taken on a theological significance, if you like, out
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  Speaker 15: of all proportion to the realities we face. I think
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  Speaker 15: Australians are interested in what can help bring down their
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  Speaker 15: power prices and help us lower emissions at the same time,
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  Speaker 15: and that's something that we are interested in as liberals
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  Speaker 15: as well. That's the sort of argument we should be having,
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  Speaker 15: not about something that's an international goal which we don't
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  Speaker 15: know if the world will meet, which, like many international commitments,
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  Speaker 15: is a sort of an aspiration or a stretch target.
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  Speaker 15: I don't think we should become too fixated on that,
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  Speaker 15: and I think if we do, it will be to
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  Speaker 15: our detriment as a political movement.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I understand, I completely perfectly understand why people do
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  Speaker 3: want to know how their power bills are going to
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  Speaker 3: be brought down. But the thing is, Senator, You've got
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  Speaker 3: countries now around the world pulling out. They say that
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  Speaker 3: they can no longer reach those targets. So why should
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  Speaker 3: Australia also just stand idly by when we're not a
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  Speaker 3: big emitter.
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  Speaker 15: Look, you know the United States has pulled out of
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  Speaker 15: this agreement. I'm not aware of any other countries with
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  Speaker 15: binding targets that have done so. I could argue that
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  Speaker 15: China and India don't have binding targets. I don't believe
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  Speaker 15: New Zealand has withdrawn, but I stand to be corrected there.
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  Speaker 14: It might be debate, but okay, I'll accept that then.
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  Speaker 15: But look New Zealand's I mean, I believe we should
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  Speaker 15: be a good international citizen. If the world decides this
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  Speaker 15: is not reachable, then of course we should reconsider our position.
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  Speaker 15: I don't think we should be the last country in,
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  Speaker 15: but I don't think we should be the first country
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  Speaker 15: in fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I just want to go back on nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that there are moderates in the party wanting
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  Speaker 3: nuclear to be dumped altogether. If you don't differ differentiate
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  Speaker 3: your energy policies from labor, how will you be able
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  Speaker 3: to win elections moving forward?
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  Speaker 14: Well, I'd say to begin with it.
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  Speaker 15: Firstly, I think we've shown a lot more enthusiasm for
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  Speaker 15: gas than labor has, and gas is a key transition fuel.
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  Speaker 15: But if you can bring on more supplies of gas,
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  Speaker 15: you will bring down the price of electricity and a
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  Speaker 15: number and prices or input prices for a number of
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  Speaker 15: industries that rely upon gas as well as that use
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  Speaker 15: a large amount of energy. So I think gas is
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  Speaker 15: a key differentiator nuclear. I mean I think nuclear energy
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  Speaker 15: should be in the mix bit. It should be on
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  Speaker 15: a commercial competitive basis, which is how a market should run.
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  Speaker 15: So I don't support having a legislative prohibition or nuclear power,
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  Speaker 15: but I think we should overturn that and then allow
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  Speaker 15: the market to decide. I mean nuclear should be able
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  Speaker 15: to compete on a level in cost terms and reliability,
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  Speaker 15: terms and other terms as the same as cole, the
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  Speaker 15: same as gas, the same as hydra, the same as solar.
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  Speaker 15: And I think if we have a level playing field
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  Speaker 15: like that, we can let the market and private capital
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  Speaker 15: determine what's the best way forward.
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  Speaker 14: And that's what we're as Liberals should be about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about the coalition agreement that
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  Speaker 3: the Liberals have agreed in principle to the Nationals Party's
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  Speaker 3: four key demands. David Little Proud was on the show
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  Speaker 3: last night and he really seemed to still leave the
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  Speaker 3: door open.
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  Speaker 2: This is what he said.
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  Speaker 6: So what I'll do is finalize the rest of the
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  Speaker 6: negotiations with Susan Lee. They'll be presented to the party
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  Speaker 6: room and the party room will make their determination whether
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  Speaker 6: they wish to re enter the coalition or not in
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  Speaker 6: the ensuing days.
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  Speaker 3: The Senator, it sounds, by what David Little Proud said
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  Speaker 3: that it's not a done deal as such.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is that your take?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how confident are you of being able to
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  Speaker 3: come to an agreement.
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  Speaker 15: Look, I'm relatively confident both sides, Liberals and Nationals, And
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  Speaker 15: obviously I can only speak with authority for my own
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  Speaker 15: not on behalf of the Nationals recognize that a coalition
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  Speaker 15: is in our mutual political interest but also in the
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  Speaker 15: national interests. And we've as the Liberal party room have
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  Speaker 15: certainly given our leader, Susan Ly, you know, the full
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  Speaker 15: mandate to go out and close this deal if you like.
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  Speaker 14: With the Nationals.
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  Speaker 15: Now you know what the internal processes they are that
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  Speaker 15: they need to go through, and what level of consultation
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  Speaker 15: David Littleproton needs to have with his own party members
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  Speaker 15: and party room. You know, that's a matter for him
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  Speaker 15: and entirely appropriately a matter for him. But I'm confident
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  Speaker 15: that you know, we recognize that we are better served
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  Speaker 15: being together in partnership than we are going our own ways,
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  Speaker 15: and ultimately that larger collective interest will prevail here.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And as you said earlier, getting back to talking
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  Speaker 3: about labor and not talking about yourselves. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: been week since the election, so hopefully in agreement can
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  Speaker 3: be met. Speaking of Susan Lee, she will elevate fresh
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  Speaker 3: talent into her shadow ministry, an announcement expected later this week.
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  Speaker 3: Will everyone be happy, Senator.
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  Speaker 15: I don't know, to be honest, you know, I think, Look,
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  Speaker 15: I think Susan has shown herself to be a consultative
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  Speaker 15: leader who is interested in making sure that we learn
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  Speaker 15: and then heed the lessons from the last election, that
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  Speaker 15: we give younger members of Parliament and newer members of
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  Speaker 15: Parliament an opportunity to develop, but also show their wars
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  Speaker 15: and reposition ourselves. And ultimately, I mean, you know the
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  Speaker 15: nature of these things is there's more people than there
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  Speaker 15: are positions, and so I expect there will be some
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  Speaker 15: people who are disappointed, but ultimately I think we will
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  Speaker 15: all respect the decision that the leader reaches on these things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I mean that's fair enough. Interesting news
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  Speaker 3: this afternoon Sky News has revealed that Liberal Senator just
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  Speaker 3: Into nampajimper Price was offered the chance to contest a
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  Speaker 3: lower House seat by the Liberal Party eighteen months ago,
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  Speaker 3: follows her recent defection from the Nationals. Senator former Opposition
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  Speaker 3: leader Peter Dutton discussed with her running for either the
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  Speaker 3: seat of Lingiari or Solomon. Does that clear up claims
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  Speaker 3: of betrayal by the Nationals. It sounds like it actually
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  Speaker 3: has been in the works for some time.
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  Speaker 15: Well, my understanding is it. Look, firstly, Jacinta did run
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  Speaker 15: for the Lower House seat of Lingiara in the twenty
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  Speaker 15: nineteen election for the Country Liberals and then she was
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  Speaker 15: elected in twenty twenty two as a Senator for the
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  Speaker 15: Country Liberals. And my understanding is, you know, that allows
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  Speaker 15: her to sit in either party room, the Nationals or
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  Speaker 15: the Liberals party room. It's a little unusual. I think
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  Speaker 15: the LMP is like that in some respects, but not all.
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  Speaker 15: You're often pre selected indicating which party room you'll sit in.
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  Speaker 15: But as far as I'm concerned, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 15: Jacinta was perfectly entitled to sit in the Nationals party room,
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  Speaker 15: and she's perfectly entitled to sit in the Liberals party room.
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  Speaker 15: And she's perfectly entitled to exercise her choice in consultation
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  Speaker 15: with the Country Liberals leadership, and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 15: her choice there should be respected, and we certainly welcome
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  Speaker 15: her into the Liberal party room and have done so.
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  Speaker 15: And clearly it's important that if that has left any
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  Speaker 15: feelings of ill will or animosity with the Nationals, and
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  Speaker 15: I can understand if it has, then we need to
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  Speaker 15: try and get over that pretty quickly because we need
• 18:21
  Speaker 15: to be all working together and on the same team.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, look, as I said, we're standing by.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: We're waiting to find out what happens with the coalition
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: this week. It's wish we could get a box seed
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: into that meeting.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: It'll be great. Dave Shama, good to catch up with you.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: this evening.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Well. I want to talk now.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: About labors super tax on unrealized gains. Now, this is
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: nothing more than a dangerous cash grab on superannuation accounts
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: over three million dollars. It's unindexed, meaning more and more
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: people will fall through the trap, and now more and
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: more economists are warning against it. Joining me is Dimitri
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Birchstein from Eminence Advisory. Dimitri, thank you so much for
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: joining me. Look, I think that these taxes are very sneaky.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Break it down for us and explain what exactly it
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: all means.
• 19:10
  Speaker 16: Sneaky, not so much destructive, very much so. It has
• 19:14
  Speaker 16: the smell of a Yes Minister idea to it, with
• 19:16
  Speaker 16: the Treasury designing at tax that is at once both
• 19:19
  Speaker 16: morally repugnant, administratively complex, and economically destructive, and then inviting
• 19:24
  Speaker 16: the Minister to make a courageous decision. The reality, however,
• 19:27
  Speaker 16: is that the tax is unlikely to generate the revenue
• 19:30
  Speaker 16: projected because people will adapt to minimize the impact on them.
• 19:33
  Speaker 16: In the meantime, it'll be a business development bonanza for
• 19:37
  Speaker 16: the accountants, lawyers, valuers and financial planners who advise people
• 19:41
  Speaker 16: how to minimize their tax. You know, as Kerry Packers
• 19:44
  Speaker 16: said some thirty five years ago, if anyone in this
• 19:46
  Speaker 16: country is not minimizing their tax, they want their heads read.
• 19:49
  Speaker 16: The most offensive part of this tax is that will
• 19:51
  Speaker 16: be calculated, as you've noted, on both realized and unrealized income,
• 19:56
  Speaker 16: that is, paper profits which may be fleeting and when
• 19:58
  Speaker 16: the super annuent may not necessarily have the cash to
• 20:01
  Speaker 16: meet their liability.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Well that's a really good point and I just think
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it's like socialism by stealth, really And given it's not indexed,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: how big of an impact will that have.
• 20:13
  Speaker 16: Oh, it's pretty big. But it's part of the you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 16: expanding socialist tapestry covering more and more of the Australian economy.
• 20:19
  Speaker 16: It will just add to the government's tax take all
• 20:22
  Speaker 16: a bit, not as much as originally envisaged, to enable
• 20:25
  Speaker 16: an ever growing government to spend ever more. The non
• 20:28
  Speaker 16: indexation is just but one of the horrible elements of
• 20:31
  Speaker 16: the design of this tax, and it will have just
• 20:33
  Speaker 16: introduced bracket creep into superannuation. Most people, I mean as
• 20:37
  Speaker 16: recently as the as the last election spoke of the
• 20:41
  Speaker 16: bad economic effects of bracket creep on income tax. This
• 20:44
  Speaker 16: will just now do the same thing to superannuation. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 16: you know, Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, recently has acknowledged this
• 20:50
  Speaker 16: and said it will just provide the government governments of
• 20:53
  Speaker 16: the day with the political opportunity to you know, offer
• 20:56
  Speaker 16: tax cuts in the future, thus asking Australians to the
• 21:00
  Speaker 16: government for giving them back what was unjustly taken in
• 21:02
  Speaker 16: the first place.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's robbing payter to pay poll Really, is it
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: just a new means of taxing do you think even
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: in other areas before it's even realized.
• 21:14
  Speaker 16: Look, it's not the only tax on unrealized gains. For example,
• 21:19
  Speaker 16: land taxes and council rates work on the same mechanism.
• 21:23
  Speaker 16: They do evaluation of your land once a very couple
• 21:25
  Speaker 16: of years. But it's again the problem is it's based
• 21:28
  Speaker 16: on a subjective assessment of valuers. And if you want
• 21:31
  Speaker 16: to clog up the courts, just wait until people start
• 21:34
  Speaker 16: disputing their assessments. But the amounts involved in land tax
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: and council rates are much much smaller than what we're
• 21:42
  Speaker 16: talking about here, and they're not charged on their own home.
• 21:45
  Speaker 16: So the number of people who are going to be
• 21:47
  Speaker 16: captured is much higher, is much lot is low, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 16: it's not much thinner base. But this is for the
• 21:55
  Speaker 16: same the reason why I and many others strongly oppose
• 21:59
  Speaker 16: the idea of swapping stamp duty for land tax, because
• 22:02
  Speaker 16: it'll just be like the superannuation tax on steroids.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's an absolute shambles.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is I don't think it's going
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to get through the Senate without the Greens. But even then,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the Greens could add all sorts of demands on tour.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: We know that they love at tax.
• 22:20
  Speaker 16: That's true, and I will note that the Greens before
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: the election said they want the threshold to be two
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: million dollars rather than three million dollars. But we are
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: talking about the Greens, and you never know what they're
• 22:30
  Speaker 16: going to come up with. They could ask, for example,
• 22:32
  Speaker 16: for free vegan school lunches, or to put Marine Ferruki's
• 22:35
  Speaker 16: face on the ten dollar note. You just never know.
• 22:38
  Speaker 16: With the Greens.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Well, that would be an absolute disaster, dislike these taxes.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely spot on. You just don't know with these Greens.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Dmitri Birchstein, nice to catch up. Thank you very much
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: for joining me on the show this evening. Really appreciate it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a worry, isn't it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: We've been warned so with us coming up after the break,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: more than one hundred planned renewable energy projects across Queensland
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and could be axed. I'll get Tim Blair's thoughts next.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Jordaan Now is the Daily telegraphs Tim Blair.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Tim, thank you for joining me.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I want to start with your column today talking about
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: those awful murders of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: d C. You wrote in your column you said left
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: wing activists were once so sensitive and delicate they wanted
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: trigger warnings attached to everything and everyone. But now those
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: same snowflakes have become pro Hamas cheerleaders who revel in
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the butchery of their leaders and foot soldiers.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And look, you know you spot on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: There were several Australian pro Palestine activists who had absolutely
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: no sympathy for the brutal murders of those embassy staffers.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: What does it say more broadly about the left.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It says that they're liars, that they'll they'll adopt any
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sort of posture that is to their advantage, but with
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: no moral or factual or ethical underpinning. So you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, we did have. We had this whole
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: snowflake year that lasted right up until Loctober seven. I'm
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Lottoba seven, twenty twenty three, when we had people who
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: needed safe rooms, for example, at universities. They needed trigger
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: warnings in case there was something in a university text
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that was going to scare them. They needed protection from
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: controversial speakers. You know, someone like Jordan Peterson was going
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to talk at a university. They'd all cry and scream
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: about it. They were in a perpetual state of terror.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And then butchers invaded Israel and slaughtered and raped and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: kidnapped people, and they were fine with it. Turns out
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that's all cool. It was all the other things, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the wrong pronouns frightened them, but butcher's aimed with knives
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and rifles didn't scare them at all, because they were killing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: In the eyes of these activists they were killing the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: right people.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're not wrong, it's I just think it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: absolutely appalling and we can't forget as well. There are
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: still hostages being held, and yet the.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Topic always does veers off, veers off.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: In another direction. Let's change pace a little bit here.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: More than one hundred renewable energy projects across Queensland could
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: be ACXD. It comes just after the state government acts
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the one billion dollar eighty eight turbine Moonlight Range wind
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: farm tim This is fascinating to me because new laws
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: introduced last month can be applied retrospectively, meaning more and
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: more projects are in the firing line. The government says, well,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: if they don't meet community expectations, they're going to be scrapped.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And I say, Hallelulia are good on David Chris of
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Fooley for taking a stand on this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know it's kind of cute, isn't it
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that renewable energy isn't renewable. It can't just renew itself,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: can it? And Plus so I guess the fact that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: renewable energy doesn't exist unless old fashioned energy builds it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't you can't knock together a wind
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: turbine such as we're seeing now using wind time turbine energy,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: for example. You can't. You can't fuse the metal and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: do do all the high high level fan we work
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: required to build such things with the relatively measly stuff
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you get from there. I guess, just to your point, Zanika,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the real issue is why do we go so deep
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: on this stuff in the first place. If at such
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: an early stage, relatively early stage, we're having to bail,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: what was the whole point in overinvesting there in so
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: many areas, especially when Australia had so many decades left,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of centuries left of traditional energy. We've made terrible mistakes,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm with you, you know how old are you. We're
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: waking up to ourselves. But my god, the amount of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: money we're blown in the meantime, it boggles the mind.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And we're still going to blow money on it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to rack up hundreds of billions
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of dollars to push for this renewables fantasy over years
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and years and years, and we're not getting banged for
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: our buck. We know that we're not getting a good
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: return on investment already, and we're just plunging ourselves more
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: into darkness as we go along under labor.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Now, look, this is hilarious.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: The Australian Electual Commission will carry out a partial recount
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in the Melbourne seat of Goldstein after a request from
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Independent Zoe Daniel. I mean, look to me, she just
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: sounds like a sore loser, especially given her premature celebrations
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: after the election.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's an absolute shocker, tim, It's an absolute shocker.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Every time I watch it, I cringe. But look how
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: embarrassing for her. Now she wants a recount. The Electoral
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Commission said, all right, we'll give you a partial recount.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I just think bow out gracefully.
• 27:42
  Speaker 16: Well.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: As a few people have pointed out online, Zoe was
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: very much against Donald Trump, you know, trying to claim
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: victory in twenty twenty when the vote didn't go as
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: way like you do. I think I think one of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: our lines was along the lines of, you know, take
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: your loss, take it on the chin, move on, don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: don't be, don't be throwing the electoral process into into
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: into disruption. And yet now we have exactly the same thing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But that, ye man, I think it all comes down
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to the dancing Danika, And I'm not I'm not one
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to profess any great expertise in that area, but I
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: think even I wouldn't wouldn't try some steps which ously
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I think she was risking whiplash at some point. Those
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: those neck movements were I don't think they were. They
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: were a healthy way to go on the dance floor.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: No, I mean we don't want to, you know, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: don't want to get a neck put out of a joint.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: She's already got a nose out a joint over the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: count to kind of anything else out of joint.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Tim, Now, look, I want to return to I.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Spoke about this earlier, this awful, awful incident over in
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Liverpool in the UK, where fifty people have been injured,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: including children, after a car rammed into crowds. Look, Tim,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it's not being treated as terrorism, but police believe it
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: was deliberate. I can't even count how many times this
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: sort of attack has happened in recent years.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: The thing is, we put up bollards here.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Than there and everywhere, but surely it shouldn't have to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: come to that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It certainly shouldn't. And Liverpool is like most larger European
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: especially British Centeric cities. Liverpool's fairly secure. I mean, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I've wanted around there and it's kind of apparent that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the place is not open generally to attack. It's there's
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a relatively large police presence. Buildings are secured. Again, just
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: just to say that, in most larger European and British
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: cities it is just like that. So whatever lapse has
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: occurred here to allow a van that sort of access,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and we've all seen horribly, you know, through through you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: our disbelieving eyes. We've all seen the footage. And just
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the fact that it got so close, even without any
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: kind of horrific conclusion, just so I've got close enough,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is damning in some regard. But yeah, how to fix it?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Did you lockdown entire cities night all freedoms?
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: We don't know.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, I mean, And if it's not terrorism,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: we can't just say oh it was mental health, that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: not an excuse. And you can't lock down entire cities.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You can't border us up with bollards here there and everywhere,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, look, I don't know what the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: answer is, but certainly there's been a number of attacks
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: like this in recent years, that's for sure, Tim Blair, good.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: To speak with you.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: this evening. Really appreciate it well. Coming up after the break,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: we'll head to the US as Donald Trump lashes out
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: at Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden makes his first public
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: appearance since he was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That's next. Let's head to.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Boston now and catch up with Sky News contributor Kristen Tate.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Kristin, it's good to see you. Thanks for joining me.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Look, it seems as though Donald Trump has almost had
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it with Vladimir Putin. He's called the Russian president crazy,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: following it up with this swipe.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Have a listen.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: And I'm not happy with what Putin's doing.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: He's killing a lot of people and I don't know
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: what the hell happened to Putin. I've known him a
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: long time, always.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Gotten along with him.
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: But he's sending rockets into cities and killing people, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: I don't like it at all. Okay, we're in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: middle of talking and he's shooting rockets and to Giev
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: and other cities.
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: I don't like it at all.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And Christen, it's been obviously a fraud relationship. There's been
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: at times where Donald Trump has supported Putin, now not
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: so much. What's been the reaction to the president's latest comments.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: Look, I mean, the left loves to call Trump a
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: Russian stooge, but under the surface, Trump and Putin don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: trust each other. And you know, during his first term,
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: all we have to do is look at Trump's track record.
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: He had the most forceful anti Russia policy since Ronald Reagan.
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: He authorized lethal age Ukraine, he sanctioned the nord Stream
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: two pipeline. So I'm not particularly surprised to hear these
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: comments from Trump, as you know the people in the
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: me But you know, I do believe that Trump maybe
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: didn't realize how nuanced this situation was or how complicated
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: it would be.
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: To resolve before he got into office.
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: On the campaign trail, he repeatedly said he would resolve
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: this conflict on day one.
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: Clearly that hasn't happened.
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: And perhaps by saying that, Trump actually set himself up
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: for failure by setting some unrealistic expectations, shall we say.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably the best way to put it. Clearly, Look,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: let's talk about Joe Biden. He has made his first
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a public appearance since he was diagnosed with prostate cancer,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: attending his grandson's.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: High school graduation.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But on the other side, singing end journalist and one
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: of the authors of Original Sin, Jake Tapper has had
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a revelation of sorts. Now he is claiming that politicians lie.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Well, who would have thought have a listen to this?
• 32:56
  Speaker 17: And I think that we need to be skeptical of
• 32:59
  Speaker 17: every saying that we are told by people in power.
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: And I mean that obviously should be the mantra of
• 33:06
  Speaker 17: being a journalist to begin with. If your mother tells
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: you she loves you, get a second source. But we
• 33:11
  Speaker 17: just need to remember that, like politicians lie, white houses lie,
• 33:16
  Speaker 17: power is an afrodisiac, and we just need to all
• 33:19
  Speaker 17: remember that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Honestly, Christen, I just think this guy is like a
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: used car salesman. This book to up becomes facical and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: more fascical as he goes along waffling on about all things.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And now he's signed politicians lie.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's the next excuse?
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: Oh?
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: I know, I'm so glad that Jake Taffer is finally
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: interested in being a journalist.
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: That's incredible. But honestly, I mean, do we really think
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: this book.
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: Or any of the other ones like it would have
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: come out if Joe Biden had won the election.
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: Absolutely not.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: As I wrote about in my Sky News column this week,
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: the media, most of the media, the ones at writing books,
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: they're busying themselves in the US right now writing all
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: these stories about rapper P.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: Diddy's legal problems.
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: And you know, all these other things that just don't
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: matter to Americans, like Bill Belchick, this football coach's girlfriend.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: They are completely ignoring.
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: What's in front of their faces with Joe Biden, which
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: is I believe one of the biggest scandals in American
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: political history, which is that there is a real chance,
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: not for sure, but a chance that the President of
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: the United States, the former one, Joe Biden, actually had
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: cancer in office and was not disclosing that to the
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: American people, perhaps that it was covered up by his wife,
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: Joe Biden, his doctors, and his handlers. And there's just
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: a complete disinterest in that story by the media.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: It's disgusting.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they should be a full investigation as to who,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: who knew what and when.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't get away with it. Now.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know what Australia, ever, did to the US
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: to receive Kamala Harris's presence over the way Ken, Yet
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: she was here on the Gold Coast sharing her pearls
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: of wisdom at a real estate conference. Nonetheless, the former
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Vice president took a swipe at Donald Trump and even
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: joked about her employment situation.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Have a look, as I said.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: I think your best work is a hinterview for sure
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: one percent.
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  Speaker 3: Un Now, Kristen Firs, I'm surprised we even got her
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  Speaker 3: down Under for a real estate conference.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what her expertise is in.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Real estate and property, but apparently but you know another
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: word salad, another word salad, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I am also shocked that she was invited to speak
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: at this conference. She is literally an expert in nothing.
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: The only reason she became the vice president is because
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: Joe Biden boxed himself in by speeding on the campaign
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: trail that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: He wanted a black.
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: Female as his running meat, and that limited his choices dramatically.
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: She is the classic DEI failure that we are in America.
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: We realize at this point that she speaks in words salads.
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: She says a whole bunch of long sounding words that
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: mean absolutely nothing, and she is just so embarrassing and
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: so boring to listen to.
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: Actually, so I apologize that you had to deal with
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: her in your country for that trip.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, I don't know what we did to
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the US to deserve Kamala Harris down here in Australia,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: haven't there You go, Kristen Tate, it's been nice to
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: catch up with you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me on the show this evening.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, my panel will discuss the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: future for the Coalition.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Plus could the work from Home revolution be here to stay?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in our panel out Susie O'Brien from
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: The Herald Sun and Radio two Double Seat Breakfast host
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Stephen Senna Tiempo.
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  Speaker 2: Hi to both of you. Thank you so much for
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: joining me.
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  Speaker 3: I want to start by talking about the coalition It's
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: energy policies, what happens forward. Stephen, I was speaking with
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Dave Shalma earlier, and I'll clarify that what I was
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: saying to him was that New Zealand has effectively dropped
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: net zero by revoking a ban on drilling for oil
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: and gas, which does mark an end to a policy
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that was announced by the former Prime Minister of Cinder Arderam.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: But we're seeing, you know, the US pull out of
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty. The coalition Stephen claims it's
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: all back together, But I mean, how does it move
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: forward with energy policy when you've got Nats wanting to
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: pull out of net zero, You've got the Libs who
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: want to say winning over these seats, particularly the inner
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: city seats at the Independence one. How do you see
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: this all playing out?
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Well, well, they're not back together one hundred percent yet,
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: let's make that clear. But look, the easy thing and
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: I made this comment on my program this morning that
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: they have to pull out of net they have to
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: abandon net zero. But it's a double ed sword because
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: you've got to be able to sell the message. Now
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: that was their biggest problem in the lead.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Up to the election.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: It wasn't necessarily that the policies that had were bad
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: as such, were just they couldn't sell them. Now they
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: didn't have enough of them obviously, but they can still
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: win over those in the city seats with a message
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: that says net zero by twenty fifty is not possible,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: particularly under the current government's plan. Even their experts admit that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: But you've got to change the narrative away from these
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: ridiculous targets and say, look, we all agree we need
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: to reduce pollution, we need to reduce emissions. We need
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: to find the best way to do that and keep
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: the lights on at the same time. The messaging needs
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: to be simple, it needs to be clear, and it
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: needs to be honest. That's what they need to do.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: So I think they need to dump net zero, but
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: they need to be very careful about how they get
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: the messaging right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. It's all in the messaging.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: But they just have to differentiate policies from labor otherwise
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: they are going to be in the wilderness for many
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: years to come. Susie and Steven's right, Okay, they haven't kissed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And made up yet.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I think David little Proud was very clear on this
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: program last night that is almost leaving the door open
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: waiting to see what happens.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: But gee, it's been messy, hasn't it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: Oh, it's been messy.
• 39:04
  Speaker 18: And you know I was talking to one shadow minister
• 39:07
  Speaker 18: today and she was saying she's just cooling her heels.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: No one knows exactly what's going on.
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: And you've got experienced ministers, you know, people who've lost
• 39:14
  Speaker 18: their shadow ministers.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Who've lost their seats.
• 39:16
  Speaker 18: We've got a whole raft of new talent who are
• 39:18
  Speaker 18: being foreshadowed. People like Angie Bell from Queensland. She's openly
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: gay from the Gold Coast. Now she would be a
• 39:25
  Speaker 18: great asset on the on.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: The front bench.
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: You've got people like Zoe McKenzie Andrew Bragg who was
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: advocating for an Indigenous voice in Parliament. And you know what,
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: they may not get the things that they want in policy,
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: but gee, they'd shake up that party room. And I
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: would love to see some of these people who are
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: progressive and young and done other things than just be
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: political hacks get in there and shake it up.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I agree. Gee, you'd want to be a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: fly on the wall.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: And the party room meeting coming up this week, wouldn't
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you to find.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Out what happens.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Stephen su and Lee of course, will unveil her shadow
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: ministry this week. She's expected to promote plenty of fresh talent.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: But once that's done.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Surely they've got to get back to talking about labor
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and not themselves.
• 40:11
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, and that's been the biggest problem here, and they've
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: got to stop trying to destabilize the National Party room.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, let's be honest about this. This whole blow
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: up and the coalition was caused by elements within the
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Liberal Party, not elements within the National Party. The National
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: Party stood their ground, they got what they wanted, the
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: assurances on their four policies, they got the extra seat
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: on the front bench team. But I think Susan Lee
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: has got to be very careful how she goes about
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: putting this team together. I mean, I disagree with Susie.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: If she brings Andrew Braggan, you might as well give
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: the game away. But I think people like Anne Rust
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: and Sarah Henderson, Zoe mackenzie must be there. There's got
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: to be a mix of experience and new talent. It's
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: all well and good to say we need to regenerate,
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: but the reality is you need to keep some of
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: those experienced heads that actually know how to write policy
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: and know how to put their play the game on
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: the front bench as well. So it's got to be
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: a bit of a mix. And she can't let her
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: fat masters pick her front bench for her. She's got
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: to do it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, and you can't just reward
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: all moderates just because they backed her. That there has
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: to be also a mix of strong conservatives, strong you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: senior conservatives within the party as well. I completely agree.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about this incident in Victoria.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: It's been revealed two teenagers were on bail when they
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: allegedly took part in a machete attack at a Melbourne
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: shopping center at the weekend. The Herald Son's reporting that
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: shops have experienced a spike in machete sales ahead of
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's band. Susie, you're in Melbourne yourself, you know you
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: would have seen all the reports day in day out
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: about youth crime. Youth crime is not new, It's been
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: around for some time and I just think just Cinter
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Allen has completely buggered up this whole issue. But how
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: much of a role does the justice system play?
• 41:54
  Speaker 18: Look, the whole thing is just an absolute debarcle the
• 41:57
  Speaker 18: fact that they've now booked forward the Shaddy band. But people,
• 42:01
  Speaker 18: there's been a rush of spiking in sales for Mitchetties
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: ahead of the band. I mean that's just an absolute disgrace.
• 42:09
  Speaker 18: We find out now there's been something like eight people
• 42:13
  Speaker 18: now arrested as a result of this latest fight at
• 42:17
  Speaker 18: a shopping center in front of children, in front of
• 42:20
  Speaker 18: other shoppers, and two of them, at least two of
• 42:22
  Speaker 18: them were on bail.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Of course they were on bail.
• 42:25
  Speaker 18: Most of them are. And we've had the most archaic
• 42:28
  Speaker 18: bail laws in the country in recent years, where people
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: who are on bail it doesn't actually even matter that
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: they're on bail, and violating bail doesn't count as an offense.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And you know, there were one person.
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: Alone, teenager, racking up three hundred offenses in one year alone.
• 42:46
  Speaker 18: It's an absolute disgrace.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, se this is the problem. Three hundred offenses
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: in one year alone, in and out of the court.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Slap on the reason back out there. The cycle of
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: crime just continues over and over against Stephen.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Firstly, where are the parents? I think parents.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Are also as culpable, definitely, and we don't talk about
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that enough. But the parents are a problem. But you know, Stephen,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: we talk about youth crime all the time. Does a
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: justice system let us down?
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Absolutely it does. We're going to start telling the truth too,
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: remember eighteen months ago we were pretending that there was
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: no youth crime problem in Melbourne. Noo, it's just something
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: that's being made up by conservative commentators. It's not real.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: But the other thing too is, you know, look, I
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: don't know why anybody in the city of Melbourne needs
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: a machete, because you know, all of those banana plantations
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: are going to work on around Fitzroy, etcetera. But you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: banning machetes is not the answer here because clearly what
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: they do is we're banning machetes immediately, but not until Wednesday,
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: so you can go out and buy them between now
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: and then stock up on them. But we need to
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: remember that machete's are not the problem. It's the people
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: slashing people with them.
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: So what are we doing now?
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: They'll just go out and get baseball bats. Does that
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: make it any better? We need to start taking our
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: legal system seriously, and it's right across the country. Here
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: in the ac two we go something like nine out
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: of ten people who are arrested are out on bail.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: If you've commit an offense when you're on bail, that's it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: You go to jail, no questions asked. We've got to
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: be fit into about the punishment.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I absolutely agree. I'm surprised that machetes weren't banned in
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the first place. To be honest, I was shocked to
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: find how that needed to be a whole press conference.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: To ban them. It just sounds so bizarre.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Now, look, we spent it and then give them a day,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and then give them a day, give them a day,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: and sales have gone through the roof. For goodness sake, honestly,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Now look, we spent half the election campaign debating whether
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: the public servants should work from home, and now a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: new report from Deloitte has found it makes for a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: happier workforce while saving people an average of five thousand
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: dollars a year on transport and fuel costs. Look Susie,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I understand hybrid models in particular do work for mums
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: with kids.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I get it. I'm not a fan of working from home.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I'm always on the side of the employer and I
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: think it creates a better environment personally to have all
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: of your staff in the office, so you can actually
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: foster a good environment and you just don't know what
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: people are doing back home. But what do you make
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of these this report?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I wish.
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: I bet the Libs wish they had this before the
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: last election. It might actually make things a little bit.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Better for them.
• 45:06
  Speaker 18: But it shows that people are saving on average about
• 45:09
  Speaker 18: five thousand dollars a year. That's a substantial amount of
• 45:13
  Speaker 18: money by staying at home, and it's estimated that about
• 45:18
  Speaker 18: eighty percent of people say this is the way of
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: the future.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: It's going to continue.
• 45:22
  Speaker 18: For at least another two years, and I think it
• 45:24
  Speaker 18: does make sense that in a titan labor market that
• 45:28
  Speaker 18: we're offering people who know the right to work a
• 45:31
  Speaker 18: couple of days from home. There's no reason why people
• 45:33
  Speaker 18: couldn't do one or two days from home.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: It's when it starts.
• 45:36
  Speaker 18: Being four days from home or five days from home,
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: you start thinking, Okay, they might be happier, but are
• 45:41
  Speaker 18: they more productive.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: So I think the future is in the balance, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: it has to be people have to earn this right
• 45:49
  Speaker 18: to be working from home and for it not to
• 45:51
  Speaker 18: be an automatic handout in any circumstances.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I agree, And I also think as long as the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: productivity is there and the meeting their dead lines, and
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: that's fine. But if it's a free ride to do
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: nothing at home, I disagree, and I'm always on the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: side of the employer on this. Now we've got to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: talk about the French president a Manuel mccron being shoved
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: in the face by his wife, as you can see
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: there as he was about to exit a plane. It's
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: gone viral, but he says that there was nothing to it,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: that the pair were quote falling around.
• 46:22
  Speaker 19: We were squabbling and I was joking with my wife
• 46:25
  Speaker 19: and I'm surprised by it and it becomes some sort
• 46:27
  Speaker 19: of geoplanetary catastrophe. Everybody needs to calm down and should
• 46:35
  Speaker 19: really focus on actual news.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Stephen, what is this awkward fun the lover's spat, a
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: shoving the face apparently is falling around.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: Well, look, she's old enough to be his mother, so
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: she's probably reprimanding him for something. But look, I think
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: he's just lucky that she didn't throw him down the stairs.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: But he's right about one thing. Let's talk about real news,
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: not about this.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: No, okay, fair point, Susie.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: What's your take on this alleged falling around incident.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious.
• 47:06
  Speaker 18: They tried to say it was a moment of togetherness.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: I'm not.
• 47:09
  Speaker 18: I'm pretty sure it's illegal tap those kind of moments
• 47:11
  Speaker 18: of togetherness, and you look at the rest of the footage.
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: She wouldn't hold his arm going down the stairs. I mean,
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: this is just embarrassment. And look, it will be a
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: five minute news item, but what does it tell us about,
• 47:25
  Speaker 18: you know, one of the most powerful men in the
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: world and his relationship.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Who knows, but it's certainly very damning.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Well I always say it's the woman behind the throne,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: so's it's very very telling. I agree, Steven and Susie.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Good to catch up with both of you. Thank you
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: so much for joining me on the show this evening.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Well that's all we've got time for today is stay tuned.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Peter Krelin is up next.