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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Chip Kelly Is Changing The Ohio State Offense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buck guys tomorrow morning for Friday, September thirteenth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, tom Or. The Marshall game is in
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  Speaker 1: Today we're welcoming in one of our most popular guests,
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  Speaker 1: Ross Fult, one of the x's and nose gurus at
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  Speaker 1: around these because we want to let you guys see
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  Speaker 1: the play. Hope the good way for Ross to sort
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  Speaker 1: of diagram what he's talking about and then let you
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  Speaker 1: see it as he's talking about it. We think maybe
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  Speaker 2: Ross.
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  Speaker 1: I've been working all week on trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: have an answer, so finger scrawl. We'll see how this
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  Speaker 1: one goes. Today, we're gonna be talking about the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State offense in the Western Michigan game. There was a
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  Speaker 1: lot to like there for the Buckeyes. Yeah, they had
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  Speaker 1: a punt or two, but boy, the offense looked really,
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  Speaker 1: really good. And you're really seeing the impact of Chip
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  Speaker 1: Kelly on this Ohio State offense already. So here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Ross Fulton the Buckey Huddle dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: presented by Jeff Ruby, Steakhouse of Columbus. All Right, well,
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  Speaker 1: welcome in Ross now and Ross. Today, we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Ohio State offense. There was plenty of good
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  Speaker 1: news for Ohio State on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: But boy, oh boy, the running game looked much much better.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like more consistently against Western Michigan than they
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  Speaker 1: did against Akron. Probably a lot of different pieces that
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  Speaker 1: went into that. We're gonna be talking about five different
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  Speaker 1: clips here. You're gonna beeople to see him all on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing something a little different this week. We think
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  Speaker 1: we maybe have solved our issue and found our workaround.
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  Speaker 1: So Ross, let's start with the first one. This one
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  Speaker 1: is called crack Toss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think, like a general thing, I have
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  Speaker 2: statement I would make is that through two games, I'm
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  Speaker 2: surprised to be honest, how much of a stamp chip
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  Speaker 2: Kelly has put on the offense. I thought going into
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  Speaker 2: the season that this would sort of be a Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Da chip Kelly collaboration where maybe they would meet halfway
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  Speaker 2: in terms of what they've done in the past, particularly
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  Speaker 2: in the run game. But this has been very much
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  Speaker 2: a chip Kelly offense through two games. And you see
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  Speaker 2: that in a few ways. And so the first this
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  Speaker 2: is another example with crack toss. So the first is
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  Speaker 2: in the just the diversity of the run game, you
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  Speaker 2: are just the volume of concepts Ohio State is using
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  Speaker 2: is just much greater than they've done in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and that includes plays like this. And so one emphasis
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  Speaker 2: for chip Kelly, especially when he got to UCLA out
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  Speaker 2: of the NFL, was, you know, one criticism of his
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  Speaker 2: when with his time in the NFL was it was
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  Speaker 2: two predictable by half back formation that the ball would
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  Speaker 2: go opposite the half back. We've talked about this as
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  Speaker 2: an issue from the shotgun, and so you see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of emphasis both the eu c LA in his
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  Speaker 2: time there and now through two games of Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: is running the football to the side of the field
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  Speaker 2: out of shotgun where the half back alignes. And so
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  Speaker 2: you saw them run just last on Saturday ininst Western Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: They ran countertrade of the side of the half back.
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  Speaker 2: They ran a play called down g where the place
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  Speaker 2: I guard boles and kicks out the end. They ran
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  Speaker 2: a counter speed option and where they you know, attack
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  Speaker 2: the defensive end at the end of the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: And here you have crack toss. And so we've seen
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  Speaker 2: this play both games. So the ball is designed, this
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  Speaker 2: is designed to get outside the tackle box to the
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  Speaker 2: side of the field where the halfback is aligned, and
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  Speaker 2: so it's a crack place. So basically, as you know
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  Speaker 2: diagrammed up here, the play side tackle is going to
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  Speaker 2: pull and he's going to lead and basically kick out
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  Speaker 2: the that's lined up over the receiver, so sort of
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  Speaker 2: playing in the slot outside the tackle box. And conversely,
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  Speaker 2: like those inCider receivers are going to block down and
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  Speaker 2: so you're basically pulling and or creating a gap scheme
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  Speaker 2: but to the outside, and so what you know, chim
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  Speaker 2: Kelly like dresses things up. So here we have it's
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  Speaker 2: twelve personnel for Ohio State with two tight ends, but
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  Speaker 2: you actually have those two tight ends lined up wide,
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  Speaker 2: so you're basically giving like a ten like a four
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver. Look, but those two guys are tight ends
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  Speaker 2: that are going to block down and so obviously giving
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit more blocking at the point of attack.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, as I said, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: crack down hence the name. The tackle is going to
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  Speaker 2: pull in lead and then Quinn Shawn Jenkins is going
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  Speaker 2: to cut in between those blocks. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the one other thing I'd offer before you know we
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  Speaker 2: run the play is, you know, I think Judkins, as
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  Speaker 2: I said last week, like he was a little pressing
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I think the first week, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't Linna his block set up. And I think this
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  Speaker 2: Western game just showed how explosive he is. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I used the term after the game. He
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  Speaker 2: looks like he shot out of a cannon at times,
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  Speaker 2: and he's really effective at making guys miss like they
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  Speaker 2: actually miss a block here Jenkins makes the guy missing space.
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  Speaker 2: I think about every run play he had he made
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  Speaker 2: somebody miss on Saturday. And so again, as you'll see,
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  Speaker 2: just another effective way for Chip Kelly likes getting the
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  Speaker 2: ball outside the tackle box with the run game, and
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  Speaker 2: he likes running to the same side. And so you
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  Speaker 2: get both those with pract toss.
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  Speaker 1: All right, next up, we're gonna do a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a two for one. These are both outside zone RPOs.
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  Speaker 1: But I think if you say outside zone RPO, everyone goes, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well you're gonna haven't running outside zone. You're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a pass option off of that. Well, this is I
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  Speaker 1: think if we're combining these two things together, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is a good example of there's lots of different
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  Speaker 1: variations of even just one concept like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so we actually get two blocking scheme
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  Speaker 2: different blocking schemes here with two different route combinations. Again,
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  Speaker 2: like I would also add, I did not expect chip
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  Speaker 2: Kelly to be this heavy into RPOs, Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: when people think about his time at Oregon, which obviously
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  Speaker 2: was a decade ago, but it was very heavy into
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  Speaker 2: run reads. Right, so the quarterbacks reading someone deciding whether
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  Speaker 2: to give or to run, but they have leaned very
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  Speaker 2: heavily into wide receiver reliefs, you know, which are the
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  Speaker 2: kind of wide receiver screens where you're making the decision
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  Speaker 2: pre snap. Or here we have two second level RPOs,
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  Speaker 2: and by second level I mean that there that the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback Will Howard here in both cases is reading the
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  Speaker 2: backside linebacker or it could be a nickel and basically
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  Speaker 2: making the decision based on on that what that defender does.
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  Speaker 2: So at the snap, if the if the defender plays
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  Speaker 2: the run, he's going to pull and throw. And if
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  Speaker 2: the defender sticks with the pass play, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: give on the run play. And so this first one,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we Chip Kelly uses some motion, he gives it.
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  Speaker 2: They run what is a staple concept for Chip Kelly
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  Speaker 2: and Ryan Day, which is a curl flat combination. They
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  Speaker 2: like it a lot in the dropback game. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good first down play, it's a good against Cover three,
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  Speaker 2: and so they this is a different way to get
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  Speaker 2: to it, right. So he's said, Colonel Tate, motion you again,
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  Speaker 2: then get that stretch, and so everyone on the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line is blocking outside zone, the running backs running outside zone.
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  Speaker 2: Will Howard reads the backside linebacker, he plays the run,
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  Speaker 2: and so Howard pulls it and then from there he's
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  Speaker 2: kind of making his second read. Really he's getting they're
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  Speaker 2: they're reading that corner because for the curl flats up,
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  Speaker 2: the corner stays out. If the corner goes with the
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  Speaker 2: curl route, he can throw it to the flat to Tate.
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  Speaker 2: If he stays outside as he does here, he can
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  Speaker 2: hit the curl to Jeremi Smith, and so obviously will Howard.
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  Speaker 2: He pulls it, corner stays outside, he hits Jeremiah Smith,
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  Speaker 2: and then Smith's off to the races. I you know,
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  Speaker 2: kept enough of this play for maybe my favorite part
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  Speaker 2: of it, which is Seth McLaughlin waving goodbye at the
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  Speaker 2: end to Jeremiah Smith as he outraces five different defenders.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would be remiss if I haven't talked,
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  Speaker 2: would talked about beyond his sort of I'll show you
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  Speaker 2: another one on the next the next play, his UH
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  Speaker 2: animatronics at the end. You know, he has been a
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  Speaker 2: huge upgraded center, like especially like in their outside zone
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  Speaker 2: game in terms of reaching UH one or two two
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  Speaker 2: eye technique of his guards, Like it's just been a
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  Speaker 2: he's really improved. I think the entire level of offensive
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  Speaker 2: line play. So you know, also adding these comedic relief
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  Speaker 2: on plays is great. So on the second one, what's
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  Speaker 2: interesting is again this is outside zone, but the actually
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the play, the backside of the
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  Speaker 2: line is past setting. Chip Kelly started doing this in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean partially it's too You know, when
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  Speaker 2: when players you get to that level you're in. Your
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  Speaker 2: quarterback's worth a lot of money. You don't like him
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  Speaker 2: getting drilled on the backside of run pass options because
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  Speaker 2: your line is blocking and you're leaving him an unblocked defense.
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  Speaker 2: Devan It may makes sense on paper, but him getting
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  Speaker 2: hit and driven in the ground is not fun for
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  Speaker 2: anyone up to the owner. So but he's kept this,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it adds a couple of things. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: beyond protecting the quarterback, it gives another look to the
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  Speaker 2: defense and it it actually I think encourages the making
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  Speaker 2: it so that the run play works because when that
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  Speaker 2: so again, Will Howard's reading the backside of the defense
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  Speaker 2: here and here it's a little flat post combo and
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  Speaker 2: he's reading the backside linebacker. But when that backside linebacker
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  Speaker 2: sees the offensive lineman in front of him pass set,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be more likely to stay with the
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  Speaker 2: right and play the play the pass concepts, which he does.
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  Speaker 2: He did a couple of times. They ran this concept
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  Speaker 2: a few times against Western Michigan. The backside linebacker stays,
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  Speaker 2: so Will Howard gives you know you're able to get
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  Speaker 2: the football outside and it's it's another big play because
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  Speaker 2: again you're like, now you've taken away the nose shoots
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  Speaker 2: inside of McLoughlin here, which even makes it easier. But
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  Speaker 2: again you just don't have the same pursuit because the
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  Speaker 2: backside of the defense is playing the pass play. And
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  Speaker 2: so again these are just ways. You know, you saw
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  Speaker 2: it with the Will Howard cape that was an actual
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  Speaker 2: run read. But just every play is virtually every run play,
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  Speaker 2: i should say, is combined with some type of read,
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  Speaker 2: and it just and they're mixing up the run plays,
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  Speaker 2: they're mixing up the reads that go with those run plays,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just a lot for a defense, right and
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  Speaker 2: you're just protecting the front side run. So just not
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  Speaker 2: seeing a lot of situations like you would in future
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  Speaker 2: years where or previous years i should say, where backside
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  Speaker 2: defenders or unblocked defenders are making plays and limiting otherwise
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  Speaker 2: well blocked run plays.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here's one that looks like it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a well blocked run play, but in fact it
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  Speaker 1: turns out to be a pass play. GT counter double
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  Speaker 1: red counter. You probably know what that means. You'll just
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  Speaker 1: watch cravy on Henderson take one step to his left
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  Speaker 1: and then run off to his right. That's the counter.
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  Speaker 1: But the double read explain what the GT counter double read,
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  Speaker 1: what this, what this all means and how this plays out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we saw this a few times, right, So,
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  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, they they have relied more and more encounter.
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  Speaker 2: I think the blocking was better of that. This Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell they repped it a lot again. They're
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  Speaker 2: running things from different looks. They've ran encounter, which is
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  Speaker 2: so you know they can run counter with the guard.
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  Speaker 2: The guard always pulled, but you can either have then
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  Speaker 2: the tackle be this sort of the second puller or
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  Speaker 2: the tight end off the line of scrimmage. So here
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  Speaker 2: you're getting the guard tackle. So that's why you get GT.
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  Speaker 2: If it was the guard tight end, it would be GH.
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  Speaker 2: They ran it to that run backside. They ran it away.
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  Speaker 2: But when you run gt counter. It's hard to have
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  Speaker 2: someone on the backside block right, So like if you
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  Speaker 2: if you have the tight ends, the second blocker, the
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  Speaker 2: tackle can sort of anchor that backside. So what they
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  Speaker 2: do is they again combine it with reads right, so
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  Speaker 2: they're going to read that defensive end instead of worrying
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  Speaker 2: about blocking him. And so here they it's a double read,
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  Speaker 2: I say, because Will Howard has three options right, So
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  Speaker 2: the first one is to give or to keep. So
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  Speaker 2: the defensive end here spikes inside on a run stunt,
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  Speaker 2: so that is a key read for him. He then
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  Speaker 2: attacks the outside secondary player because he does have the
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  Speaker 2: option to keep it here and run. But if that
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  Speaker 2: defender plays that run, he can then dump it off
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  Speaker 2: in the flat. So they run a little stick. The
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  Speaker 2: tighter runs a little stick here a Mecca booper runs
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  Speaker 2: a quick out and then Bryson Rodgers releases downfield on
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  Speaker 2: a vertical route which turns into essentially allowing him to
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  Speaker 2: block for a Mecca book underneath. And so Howard attacks
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  Speaker 2: the secondary defender. They play him keeping and so then
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  Speaker 2: he dumps it mecca to a Mecca book a pretezy game.
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  Speaker 2: So again variations of you know they've run run read plays.
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  Speaker 2: They have RPOs, they have releaves, and now they have
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  Speaker 2: sort of a combination of that two or Howard has
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  Speaker 2: the ability to either keep it or run or dump
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  Speaker 2: it into the flat.
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  Speaker 1: So normally ross. You look at these play names and
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  Speaker 1: you can sort of glean some information GT counter double
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  Speaker 1: red guard tackle. You talked about that counter, We know
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  Speaker 1: what that means. This next one is just called Yankee.
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  Speaker 1: So I know this play has not won the World
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  Speaker 1: Series in the last fifteen years, but beyond that, what
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  Speaker 1: is Yankee?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know why it's called Yankee the
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  Speaker 2: great It's it's basically a heavy play action pass two
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  Speaker 2: man concept where the one receiver is running a deep
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  Speaker 2: post or vertical and the other wide receiver is running
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  Speaker 2: a deep cross across the field. You know, this is
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  Speaker 2: a been a Rhyane Dave Staple. Again, like we talked
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  Speaker 2: about the run games, there there was divergence between Day
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  Speaker 2: and Kelly the past concepts. There's just a ton of
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  Speaker 2: overlap from their time together. Still, you know, Chip Kelly
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  Speaker 2: and Ryan Day both love these deep crossers. But the
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  Speaker 2: one interesting thing again is like even these concepts that
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  Speaker 2: are there's been overlap. Tip Kelly is dressing them up
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  Speaker 2: in different formations, different personnel grouping. So like Ryan Dane
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  Speaker 2: love running this this concept from like under center, you
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  Speaker 2: give like the heavy play action fake here, Chip Kelly
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  Speaker 2: runs it from the shotgun and actually and has the
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  Speaker 2: tight end sort of come in as like the seventh
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  Speaker 2: it's a seven man protection scheme because you're really trying
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  Speaker 2: to give you a quarterback time to throw an outfield,
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  Speaker 2: and so he kind of comes in. And I grabbed
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  Speaker 2: this one as well because like you know, they ran
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  Speaker 2: why Cross like these deep overs. Will Howard's been really
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  Speaker 2: effective on them, you know, I think his Actressy's been
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  Speaker 2: great on these, including too a Bouka here. But like
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was a few pass plays that Howard
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  Speaker 2: probably as I think the Day said this week, like
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  Speaker 2: would walk back, like the Jeremiah Smith under throat jumps out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was one where it's like both was
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  Speaker 2: underthrown as well as like the tight end to that
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  Speaker 2: side was supposed to run a deep comeback that sort
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  Speaker 2: of held the coverage more and would have probably even
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  Speaker 2: even with the underthrow, may have made Smith open enough
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  Speaker 2: to make the play. You know, I think he could
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  Speaker 2: have put a little bit more that throw a Jelani
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  Speaker 2: Thurman down the scene on a line, So like not perfect,
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  Speaker 2: but I think we talked about last week. I still
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  Speaker 2: think there's times where, like both of those, he's maybe
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  Speaker 2: a hair too late getting to those reads. But like
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that has Stoida is his accuracy has
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  Speaker 2: been really good, like especially on these crossers or deep overs,
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  Speaker 2: like he's putting the ball right where it needs to be.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this is an example of it. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, I do think there's still room for him
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  Speaker 2: to grow in the scheme. I also think, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're really not utilizing his legs a time yet, so
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  Speaker 2: it's like a whole other aspect of it. But I
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  Speaker 2: do think that like you'll continue to see, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: Chim Kelly, as I said, like even within the core
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  Speaker 2: concepts they're using, like changing personnel grouping, changing formation looks,
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  Speaker 2: so you're just getting things from a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: angles so that you know, the defense doesn't know necessarily
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  Speaker 2: what they're getting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks again to Ross for all of his insight
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