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Talks to Craig Williams about his choice of The Mind of Evil (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing.
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Quicker, quicker. Quicker Hello and welcome to
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Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, a commentary podcast for Doctor
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Who. My name is Craig Williams, I'm
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with Joe Ford, and we're going to look at the Mind of Evil Part
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3 today. Is that right?
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That was absolutely effortless. It's like you've been doing this
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for years. Yeah, well, I'm a teacher.
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I'm used to kind of like standing in front of my people
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and. Talking shit.
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Then you're perfect on this podcast.
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That's what we do. Do you know what?
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Can I tell you a story about prison?
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When I was at 11 years, it doesn't.
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Involve the showers and some soap.
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Does it? I wish it did actually.
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I got some DVD's on my shelf anyway.
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No. When I was 11 years old, my dad
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went to prison. He was put away for attempting
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to smuggle 3/4 of £1,000,000 worth of heroin from Gatwick
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Airport. It was part of it, part of a
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chain. And I have to say I did visit
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Lewis and Brixton prison quite a bit, you know.
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I had to go and see him at prison and they've captured it
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perfectly in this story. Really fucking grim.
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I can smell the piss when I watch this.
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I bet it, yeah, they they they did.
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Did they look into kind of using a real prison?
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I think they did, yeah. And the fact, Barry, I said that
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nobody would. Yeah.
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But that that if they did that, it probably would have been on
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film and it would have looked amazing if the Yeah, I still
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think in fact. Yeah, it does.
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It does. But you know, film, just film
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just gives a bit more precede prestige, doesn't it?
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Well, and we're gonna see some film in this episode, which is
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incredible. Yes, Yes.
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Is this the episode where they still the missile is?
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Isn't it? No, is it not?
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Is that thought? Yeah, yeah, this.
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But we get we get the doctor running around the the prison
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car park in this one. So there's there's Cowboys and
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engines, isn't it? It's basically like colony and
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space, but done really stylishly.
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And and and Milla jumping onto the Bessie with the immoral
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line. Now let's get this heap inside.
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Oh, I love that. So hot.
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Can you do that again? Now let's get this heap inside.
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It's getting a bit sexy. We better start watching this
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thing. OK.
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All right, so hang on, You in trouble?
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So I've got count it in. Yeah.
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Are you ready? Yeah.
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No, you're doing a me. I've got the episode.
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I'm always doing that. Well, no.
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It nearly played Episode 2 again.
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So yeah, off you go. I did that the other day.
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I did. I was thinking the wrong.
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I said no, I did. I did the whole commentary and I
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just let them sort of leave me through it.
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I didn't. Tell them I'm just taking cues
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from them going, Oh yeah, that. Bit's really great, you know,
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but I think I've got the right one here in 54321.
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Let's go. And we're off.
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Diddly. Dumb diddly.
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Even Bernard Lodge is a is a underrated person in Doctor Who.
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Law, I feel because he did the first four title sequences,
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isn't he? Yes.
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If we always talk about directors and producers and
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writers, but never talk about. Because at the end of the day,
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this is what kind of sticks stuck in children's minds, the
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music and the title sequences. Real cliche about hiding behind
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the sofa when you hear the music.
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Yeah, yeah, cliche is there for a reason.
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Because you know, how did we end?
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I can't remember. The the American got.
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Got scared by the pink dragon with Lockjaw Puff The magic
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dragon puff. The magic dragon lives by the
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sea. I don't know.
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The words well done, well done. You know, you should know
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you're. Pretty Can't Sing that anymore
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now because it's called Puff. Have you ever been invited back
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to a shadowy hotel room by a attractive Chinese girl?
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No. Never.
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Never, Yeah. Really haven't.
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And not only was he kind of taken back to a hotel room by a
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rather attractive Chinese girl, quite a Dolly, it turned into a
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it turned into a puff. Say he's got the best of both
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worlds. Enormous pink, phallic and
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smoking. Where's the?
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Yeah, it's advancing on him. The puff is advancing on him.
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Why pink? Why did I paint him?
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Which, which was another revelation when it got restored
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to color. Oh, puffs pink.
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And this is when it turns around and you see the full thing.
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Don't shoot the dragon, Brigadier.
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That's what it's wearing. Yeah.
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Oh, do you see the Charlie's a bus like?
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Anyone else? Anyone else would have walked at
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the hotel room go what kinky stuff's going on in here?
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Right. That's what I would think.
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She fell to the floor very gracefully.
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I know, you know, I'm too pretty.
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Actually. That's not a bad say, is it?
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Quite. Like that.
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But they then that kind of like background, kind of like divider
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reminds me of like the one things we had in our garden when
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I was the the walls we had. You really were living in a posh
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part of town. I didn't live in Ford.
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No, no, I hear it's rough as houses.
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I live. I lived in Barnes.
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Still do. I was cruelly, for God's sakes,
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and I creepy cruelly. Well, unless I'm very much
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mistaken, it put the killer machine in Stanmore prison.
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The Killer machine, if you have a saw on it.
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Oh, we can only. It's a P It's a pity he calls
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himself color because. Normally he gets it.
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It's either an anagram or it's the word master in a different
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language. So yeah, you should have been if
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you oh, but then we if he's kind of like El maestro or something
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in French or Spanish at least we we spared the Roger Delgado
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doing a doing an accent that he forgets to do halfway through
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the story like you did in the Time Monster.
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I I love the dogs. It's like, you know and state of
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the man, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Didn't didn't you learn Spanish in your?
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That school of yours? Joe El Maestro is Spanish for
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master. Oh gosh, you thick bitch.
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Like somebody who's trying to drive this world into war.
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He can make a dramatic exclamation better.
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But it's it's the earnestness of Pertley which I love.
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The the bit at the end of Colony in Space where that half
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inflated balloon monster comes out of a draw when Pertley looks
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at it and calls it Sir. And it's it's done with the one
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you know. Thank you, Sir.
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You know what? It almost makes it work.
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It's got it's got the little little legs in the in his little
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dress on but because. But because he believes it.
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We believe it. Yeah, that is the magic of this
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stuff. I mean, well, I believed he was
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talking Cantonese here, pick something and said it, but he
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wasn't. But is Alomar?
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And then he And then he goes, and then he goes just so we know
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what he's saying at home. But.
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You know what, right. I've actually said that
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somebody. Before Alamar Alamar.
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Oh, it's so embarrassing. The thing is, Doctor Who's made
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me do. The thing is right if he's
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waking Joe out of a of a hypnotic city.
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But wake up, Joe, you know. Yeah.
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Get, get up. Yes.
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Yeah. Oh, here's my love.
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Yep. Should it?
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Yeah, Harry should have been Reagan Miller.
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Doesn't he go in the cell, right.
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And then he just he just blows a kiss to Joey, sort of goes.
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Yeah, that that's kind of like the only kind of like all of
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that could have happened, yeah. Someone, someone clearly said oh
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you know, if this was really, if this was gritty realism, Joe,
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Joe would be getting kind of raped from all the prisoners.
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Let's address that by Mailer going.
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You know, he literally just caned him on the back of the
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head then. After Summers.
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No wonder he looked 50 when he was 30.
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I think. You know what?
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And people that hold guns, yeah. It's all about the intent of how
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they do it, as to whether I believe it or not.
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I believe that Mailer could would shoot in a heartbeat the
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way he holds the gun. I do.
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I do like. I do like pretty much want a
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hindle. At the end of episode one of
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Kinder, when he's got that gun in his hand, I'm like, yeah,
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you're never going to shoot anyone, mate.
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I have the power of life and death over all of you.
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I love that. I never knew if that was
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brilliant or awful. It was one of them things where
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you I finally found a match. In the quotes, you know, it's
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amazing. I love Kinder.
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You're doing it the minute It's on the minute, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh, here we go.
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I love, I love, Benton says. Don't tell me your problems get
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that moved and I really want one of them going.
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The problem is that it's not real.
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It's a photographic blower. And that became more apparent
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when it was when it became color as well.
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In the black you could sort of tell in black and white, but in
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the color it makes it even more obvious, you know, I do.
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The brigade, the Brigadier, is knackered from laying on a Jeep.
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Sweet. In a very strange way.
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I do like the trio of the Brigadier, Benton and yeas.
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I like the fact that there's continuity for out the.
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Idea of it rather than the realization of it.
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I just think it feels very dazzling on me.
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It does. It does.
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Brings on and you didn't in Series 7 because you didn't have
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that. Yeah, but people say, Oh yeah,
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every, every, apart from Kate Stewart.
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Now every time unit comes back at someone different, but that's
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probably what it would be like a bloody Stewart.
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Yeah, I know. Cannot go through one scene
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without saying my father, Brigadier Leopard Stewart,
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defend this planet. It's because there's so little
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about her, you know, she's got. Yeah, yeah, she lived.
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She lived on a barge in downtime or something, didn't she?
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Oh yeah, that was the old Beverly Chrisman.
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Kate Stewart wasn't. It yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Do you know what though the best
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line in power of the Doctor was when the Master went Your dad
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was an idiot. Yeah, it was kind of like it was
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kind of retort to all the times. He kind of said my dad was
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Alistair Gordon. That was Stewart.
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I'm his daughter. Yeah, 5 rounds wrap it.
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I even do the same catchphrases as him.
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Fucking up front and shoot down. I'm sorry, but there's no way
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that I believe that she's the daughter of Brigadier until she
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says come now, Doctor, or or refers to the TARDIS as his
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infernal contraption. When she does that, I believe
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it's his daughter. Or opens the door and goes, you
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know, I think that's Cromer out there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is the last time we
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see Captain Chinle, which is a shame.
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She just, she just kind of delivers a lot of exposition.
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And then Dickie's off and you know what I'm going to say it?
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She's not memorable because she's a woman and she's not
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memorable because she's Chinese. She's memorable because she's
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really good actress. Yeah, she is.
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She is, and it's a good character.
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So yeah, it's a bit remiss for us.
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It's a bit nice she gets this like sort of redemption in the
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fact that, like, she tells them all the evil plans before she
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disappears. Oh, here we go.
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Is the is the realization. What's his line?
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Is a returned? Who else would drive this plan
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as the brink of war? The Master, otherwise known as
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Emil Keller. He's Lucky's here.
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Yeah, but that. But it would have been funnier
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if, like he had adopted like a name like like in the last story
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when he was Colonel Masters. So it was it was a it would have
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been funny if he went. Who?
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Who else would drive this plan to war the Master, otherwise
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known as Colonel Masters? But it but it but it it begs the
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question though like if we look at this in terms of like you
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know the timeline how long the masters been masquerading as
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Emil Keller for about two years. I think it's it's already months
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or something it says it at one point.
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So then do we do we think that that amount of time has passed
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since Terror of the Autumns or was he doing was he being
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Colonel Masters and Emil Keller at the same time.
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I think that I think we as fans we we we we can kind of it we
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can. We can kind of take a long
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season between seasons. Like, there's a lot of time has
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passed, but we can't do it like between stories in the same
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season, if you know what I mean, Yeah.
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But, but I think, I think it has been 18 months since Terry the
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Autumns because the doctrine draw relationships, all
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grounded. I know the idea he's doing it
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all at the same time. He's got 15 plans on the go.
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I think, yeah. But The thing is if you think
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that then it kind of diminishes how like?
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Successful Masters. But he's a bit shit, isn't he?
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Yes, to think of backup plans because he thinks this one's not
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going to work. May I remind you of his line in
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Castro Valva. I had a plan behind that trap.
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Yeah, would have been enjoyed to.
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Well, that. Well then you know you're but
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then you know you're a bit shit then if you're not expecting
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your plans to work. I did.
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I never know. It's Matthew.
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What's Stiffy in that saying? I'm baffled.
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I mean, that's just prime for me to know it's not 100 times.
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Well, to be fair, Anthony have to get on an hydraulic lift to
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look at it. So that's true.
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I love that bit where he gets on the lift, he goes and they don't
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put any dialogue or or like dub or anything.
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It just, it's just, it's just and nearly going lift one and
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he's looking about what I was going.
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My my favorite only moment is in trial of a Time Lord 14 where
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he's got a genuine treasure chest in his TARDIS filled with
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like, you know, gold cups and rubies and things.
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And he offers it to Saba Long get it if you follow me orders.
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It's great. No way he does.
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He lifts a lot. And Amy, you know.
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He's kind of, oh, he's poor man's Delgado and he does it.
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But no, it's fun, that stuff. Yeah, I mean, I watched his new
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five doctors this week and every time he's on the script.
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Chart sort of flavy. Bet they've shocked.
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Where he goes, it's an open-ended trials Mark Beam and
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he goes, he's great. One of my previous assessors.
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Yeah, these thunderbolts are everywhere.
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I've been with fans. We've quoted that entire.
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I've seen in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the
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council room. I mean one thing I will say is
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we have just quoted load lines from the five dogs and I don't
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think the dialogue it's not functional here.
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It's good dialogue. I'm not talking about Thomas.
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Get that. Get that zombie out of here.
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Oh, look at Joe. Bloody hell.
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Yeah, you say like it's Oh yeah. She was really ditzy in her in
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her first season and then like, you know towards the end of the
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green death, she's like a fully functional scientist.
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There's a story arc. Well, no.
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Like a all at that table go down, you see a shoot the
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ceiling. I miss with me.
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Like that guy in the backs, Eric Mason.
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He was he was in Hot Fuzz is um is Billy White lows husband.
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He kind of goes out Simon Pegg with a sword.
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He was still working then, bless him.
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I like it when she says to the fat cool you.
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Know now the Master is listening to King Crimson on his radio
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here, which is for a Prague fan like me, that's that's very
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nice. But I don't know if that was
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intentional, because it King Crimson the devil you know.
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Didn't recognize it at all. It just sounded like evil music.
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Yeah, yeah, it's the piece. That piece of music called The
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Devil's Triangle, do you know? But choosing Dover Castle, that
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was so savvy, wouldn't it? It looks like a prison it.
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Does. And it's and it's unlike, you
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know talk like the Andros, Atari and Dover.
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Castle is in Dover. Can I tell you so funny?
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Mark and I went away recently, right down the end of the road.
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I was going, My God, we look, we've got a castle, right?
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Down the end of the road and we didn't go there for the first
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night and the second, I was like, wow, let's get a love
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look. And it was a prison.
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Shit, it's the mind of evil. Is that guy is that van?
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Got a man strapped under it. I only hope.
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The. The I love.
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It when the master comes in all smooth.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plan to take over?
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Yeah. When this is all that, the
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unit's scientific advisors anyway.
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Oh, I don't think we need to worry him.
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He does touch of it as well. Do you remember in front here in
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space when he comes here? Yeah, yeah.
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And he reads the charges. You can't help but laugh can.
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Your smile is. I've got my, I've got my
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equipment right here. Well, listen, he's listening to
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Prague music in the 70s and in the in the in the noughties,
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he's listening to Sisters and and Voodoo Child.
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I mean, that's a character arc in itself.
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It's his campaigns, yeah. Or he's just been written by
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Rusty Davis at that point. Yeah, this is this is where he
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fires the bombs going. I love this scene and we think
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Mail is gonna like crack one on him and then he's.
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Like he just I've got the bombs here for you.
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Yeah, Roger Delgado's The Anti. Richard Franklin when it comes
17:28
to showing force. And he's the only person that
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can make Mela seem weak. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, by all accounts, Roger Delgado was a was a lovely man
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and he just didn't, he didn't have the he, but he had an evil
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face. You know what's very odd in
17:46
retrospect is that, good grief who plays Mayla?
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William Marlow. Married to corporate Bell In
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real life, you know, no, but he does marry Roger Delgado's wife.
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Doesn't he? Yeah, Yeah, he does.
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That's. I mean, imagine Kismet watching
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this back. Are that in?
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Are that in? I've had that about that.
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Oh gosh, yeah. We have some great action here
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now. Yeah, yeah.
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We're so excited to come back from 4:00 to 6:00 with all that
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action in episode 4. I know the, the, the, the, the
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master said to to me, let let's create havoc.
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I don't know if that's an in joke or not.
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It should have been. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think it's a little secret.
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Get the chroma joke. Until about last week.
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Took me a long time as well. I know.
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Oh, really? Such I'm finished.
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I'm finishing here now. Open up.
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And then they've got bloody gas masks on.
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What do you think about this electronic music in eight?
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Well, like I said, I wish in my head those no sounds are
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actually the bombs. That's not, that's not
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incidental music. That's that's special.
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That's Dick Mills. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But as incidental music, though, it's crap.
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Yeah, he can turn it off with a click of the fingers and he can
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turn. With a bomb.
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Yeah, Roger Delgado, the only man who could control Dudley
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Simpson. Nah, Nah, to Cindy.
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He goes through, he goes through his different eras as he Dudley.
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He starts off quite orchestral. Then he goes and he gets to
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synthesize and and he does that and then he go.
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Then he goes orchestral again. Ohh, hang on.
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I'm trying to think of what's his second orchestral face.
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So you're talking about sort of 70s?
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Yeah, like where all where. It all sounds the same, but then
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he'll suddenly have a moment of inspiration.
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Like City of Death, yeah. Because he's I think his first
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one was planted giants, which is quite like jaunty.
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But then he then he comes to like underwater menace and he's
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kind of like he's just, he's opened his new Christmas
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presents like do, do, do, do, do, do.
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And then we get tired of this and he seeds of death.
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He's going crazy. Done.
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Done, Done, Done. I loved it, yeah.
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I love the Seats of death. Did it.
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Did it didn't. When the when the titles are on
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and I love all of this. And now Doctor, I'm ready for
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you. That's that's Doctor Who.
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No, the funniest bit is in a minute where he goes.
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Don't point that thing and be mad.
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It could go off. Why is that always so?
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Funny by being so serious, that is.
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Still, that makes it funnier. Yeah, you're right.
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It's the earnestness. It seem funny, yeah.
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Share conceit. Just watch him in the last
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episode calling his face where he's talking to the Guardian,
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the half inflated monster in a skirt.
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You just believe. You believe it all.
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When he's confronted with Alpha. Centauri and you know, he's sort
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of blouse, doesn't he? Look at this handheld camera
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work. Yeah.
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Now let's get this heap inside. Yes.
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Don't put that thing at me, man. I'm here on official business.
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I've come to sort out the trouble.
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That's right, mate. You're in it.
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Now let's get this heap inside. I should.
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That's my cut phrase. Knowing it, let's get this heap
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inside. You do it well though.
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Ohh man, they'll go, ohh, yeah, this, the swivel chair he's he's
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doing this on. I love.
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I was doing this on purpose to just to kind of Lord over him.
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And purpose goes, yes, I thought.
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Funny his finger haven't. Yeah, he he he swings around and
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the master of the. Governor.
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That's great. But And now.
21:32
But then like he, he dismissed. They just chat like old mates.
21:35
So how how's things going? You know I've taken over the
21:38
prison that that's the beauty of it.
21:41
It's not like I will stop you, master.
21:43
No, it says, can I take it down? It's like, yeah, can I set it
21:46
right? Going well.
21:47
How's the riot? Yeah, Where's Miss?
21:53
Grant reclining in one. Of our cells.
21:59
Oh, I love that. I love it when he gets serious.
22:02
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:05
In the Demons where he says to the fella, I've got nothing to
22:08
lose now, so you better watch it.
22:12
He means that we're about to get to a bit where Roger Delgado
22:17
kind of slips on his arson on a puddle of water, which I'm sure,
22:21
which I'm sure wasn't. Barry, let's actually talks
22:23
about that on the commentary and he says, so I'm glad we left
22:26
that in because it happened in real life, you know, yes.
22:30
Life is not perfectly choreographed.
22:33
Do you think, do you think we've got a bit of a revisionist look
22:36
at Barry? Let's now he's got this kind of
22:38
like affable old uncle type of character or bless him bless
22:42
Barry but, but but when I was reading about Tim Coombe and the
22:45
way he was tread, I'm just thinking well Barry you bastard.
22:49
My other half says about Barry. Let's.
22:51
That he loves Barry Letts, right.
22:53
He says it because he he does talk good sense.
22:56
And like, yeah, I think Tim, Tim Coon was treated badly, but he
23:00
overspent ridiculously so in terms of like a job.
23:04
He didn't do his job well. He went over budget but but, but
23:09
it looks brilliant. It looks great, yeah.
23:12
And there's a part of me thing again at the end.
23:14
We're all human, you know? And Barry Letts was a director
23:18
and this does look a lot better than you know.
23:20
And you just think, was it really because the old spend or
23:24
was it just a bit class? The other thing he does say,
23:29
though, is that he thinks the direction of this is amazing.
23:31
Yeah, we should have spend, always spend.
23:34
Come on, he can be back next year.
23:37
Well. He should have brought back
23:38
Ferguson again. I think after.
23:40
I think he. I think that was a choice of
23:42
Michael Ferguson's. I don't think he did.
23:44
I think he felt a done. He's like, who?
23:45
And we don't know the stuff. Now we're in, Sweeney, look at
23:48
this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:50
That's probably Royce Scamel on the on the battlements.
23:54
I mean, I think boys love this sort of thing, don't they?
23:56
I want to be very sexist now. Boys and girls love this sort of
24:00
thing. No, actually, I've been
24:02
listening to a podcast where her husband and wife watched Doctor
24:05
Who and she was she just switches off during the action
24:08
scene because this is the purple era and she loves the she loves
24:10
the era. But she's yearning for the
24:13
Master and Doctor to be revealed as brothers or something.
24:17
I wants to name so planet fun what you do do that to your own
24:22
first shack it's it's clearly going to be like own race or
24:28
it's would you do that to one of your own everyone like that
24:30
brother. Look at bagging on the walk so
24:34
it doesn't, so it doesn't fall over.
24:35
Don't make it warble. It's like Adric.
24:37
It's like Adric with the the typewriter and Earth shock, I
24:40
thought. I thought he's a.
24:42
Cliffhanger I thought he'd make for the greenhouse.
24:44
Doctor. Look at you with a gun.
24:47
And now I believe he shoot him. It's a fantastic cliffhanger,
24:50
but it's the same cliffhanger as episode one, and I think it's
24:53
the same cliffhanger as episode four.
24:55
Yeah, on five. I think it's the same
24:57
cliffhanger nearly every time. There is something about the way
25:00
we going, you know. Watch watch how how he's
25:04
restraint. Like in a really sort of violent
25:06
way, yeah. But he only he only restrains
25:10
him, so he doesn't do the karate chop through the fire again.
25:13
I don't know if we'd have a scene like this now.
25:16
And Doctor Who? No.
25:17
Someone pointing a rifle in his face.
25:18
Well, the Doctor. The Doctor's being tortured,
25:19
essentially. Whilst he's being handcuffed on
25:21
and he's being and he's being reminded of the web planet, the
25:24
poor bastard. Tortured for anyone?
25:27
Do you remember again? Remember both on my dear doctor
25:34
every day. Again, I'll say a wave of black
25:35
and white where the dots are from.
25:36
Quiet. Yeah, I I.
25:38
So I noticed that as well. Yeah.
25:41
And and as well, when it got like colorized, you could see
25:45
the enemies a lot better. When when it was still in black
25:48
and white, it was still a bit blurry.
25:49
Like, what's that? Is that.
25:50
Yeah. What is that cyber man, you
25:51
know. Whereas now you can make it.
25:54
Yeah. Yeah, right.
25:56
I think. Right.
25:57
It's not Kirkullian. Can you remember how the when
26:00
the Doctor landed in the rescue said he's been with this planet
26:02
before. So there there there was an
26:05
there was an unseen adventure on on the planet.
26:06
What's it called? Dildo or something?
26:08
Yeah, that's right. And he said all We had an
26:11
adventure here before. I'm more back here again.
26:12
How lovely. Clearly the person we see is not
26:16
cooling, but someone in the same sort of outfit from that
26:18
adventure rather than the rescue that that that's winning.
26:22
I can't. I can't explain the war machines
26:24
in the zombie though. No, no.
26:27
That's the last time we saw a dodo.
26:28
That's why the war machines haunted.
26:30
Yeah. Yes.
26:31
Yeah. It should have just been her
26:34
coming at him. I love how you can just see the
26:36
little brain in in the glass jar there.
26:38
It's. Ohh yeah yeah.
26:40
I love it when you see that later and it sort of just sort
26:42
of bubbles, it pulls in there, there.
26:43
It's just like a it's just like a turd, isn't it?
26:47
Yeah. Now here's a question.
26:48
I think we need to kind of like ask the big guns, like big and
26:51
on. And David Brunt, who does the
26:53
Dalek voices in this in this story?
26:58
I don't know. They're not.
26:59
They're not. Quite.
27:00
They're not quite right. Yeah.
27:01
Yeah. He'll know.
27:04
OK, well we'll tweet when this episode goes out.
27:06
There's a zombie. There's.
27:08
What? You know what that'll mean.
27:10
They'll do a whole episode about this.
27:12
Oh God, yeah, yeah. Documentation shows that in
27:15
1971. How great.
27:18
I like. I always like how the masters
27:20
credit before the companions. Well, of course, yeah.
27:24
Yeah. Ben Benton.
27:26
I shared a credit with Richard, Of course, you know.
27:29
I'm gonna take a pun and say, I think this episode, this story
27:32
started strong and it's getting better.
27:34
Yeah, yeah. Or Christopher, come.
27:36
There he is in lights. Are you sure it's not
27:39
Christopher Cole? It's a cum on there.
27:43
OK Christopher. Christopher Cole is Phipps and
27:46
sees the Death and in the in the Mutants and he was Mavis's long
27:51
term lover and Cory. We'll see, yeah.
27:55
He played a character called Victor Pet.
27:56
There was always like a Victor and Derek thing going on in this
27:58
in the 80s with this. Kind of.
28:00
That was Derek. Yeah, yeah, Tim.
28:02
Cool. We did the last one.
28:04
We're talking about adverts. Now we're talking about you get
28:07
everything on this commentary, folks.
28:10
Okay, Are you ready for another question?
28:12
Fire them at me. Okay, here we go Fraser.
28:21
Gregory asks. Never out of him.
28:25
Snog Mart and I'll go to the accent Snog Marry scared to
28:28
death with an unconvincing dragon.
28:31
Benton Bell Brick I'd snog Bell after telling it.
28:38
Aleana Jeep I'd marry. I'd marry the break because he's
28:42
always at unit HQ. So I've asked myself all the
28:44
time, and I'd let the plastic monster terrorize John Levine.
28:51
You. Well, snuck that brick,
28:54
obviously straight away, and I'll definitely get him on a
28:57
Jeep. I'd marry Corporal Bell because
29:00
she pulls the curtains across with such grace.
29:03
Yes and yeah, Benton. I mean, are you are you saying
29:06
that you'd marry Corporal Bell for curtains?
29:10
Yes, I have been there yet. Oh, sorry, I didn't say that
29:14
one. Only once on it gave me
29:17
nightmares. Jack Coyer asks what would the
29:22
greatest fears of the other masters and doctors be?
29:26
What a greatest. Well, I think a bit like me.
29:31
I think Tom Bakers will be an empty bar.
29:35
William Hartnell to Quart River Song attending a gay gypsy bar
29:40
mitzvah. Allegedly.
29:42
I mean, Davidson is. Davidson is having an adventure
29:46
with Patrick, Tegan and Nessa, so he's living.
29:48
He's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:49
The 5th Doctor. If we talked to the 5th Doctor
29:51
rather than the actor, it would be a personality.
29:55
Trouten trouten. What would his worst fear be?
29:58
What a lawyer who works in bigamy and then a positive
30:02
pregnancy test. Baker, Colin.
30:09
An empty fridge. I don't know.
30:12
It's. Rich, you are vicious McCoy
30:16
acting lessons. Indeed, it's funny if you do the
30:21
actors on the characters, what would the Trout and Doctors
30:26
worst fear be? I don't know location work.
30:31
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:33
He never does location work. Okay, I don't.
30:38
I don't do all that running around in the afternoon.
30:39
What about the masters, the the master and deadly assassin?
30:47
Pizza oven? Ian Lee's serious story where he
30:53
can't camp it up, Missy, I don't know.
31:02
No, I can't think of I'll be Missy either man.
31:04
But the the John the John Sims fear is is again.
31:06
It's the doctor. Actually, I know what I know
31:08
what Mrs. Worse fear would be the thought of turning good.
31:12
Because she she really struggles with that, doesn't she?
31:14
At the end, the thought of that I don't know.
31:20
We don't mention Sasha. The one because I get too hot
31:24
bothers. So do you think?
31:27
Do you think he comes after Missy or before?
31:30
After, yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people think, well,
31:33
Missy. Missy turned good and now now
31:35
he's evil again. Time loads change personalities.
31:38
With every generation it is possible that he could be evil
31:40
again. He's on the behind the sofa for
31:43
this and he's watching Roger Delcardo and he's so impressed
31:47
and he's kind of Oh yeah, yeah, because I really sort of brought
31:50
so much energy. He goes, I Why?
31:52
Why couldn't I have scripts like that?
31:56
Well, you know, he goes, I just wish I could.
31:58
I could be a bit more still. And then he did rough you in
32:00
after this, you know, power of the Doctor and you see him doing
32:03
that sort of still intensity and you're like before he break,
32:06
before he breaks. And it was disco act.
32:10
Love. That bit with a dog.
32:11
And a sideman looking at each other.
32:13
Fabulous, right? I'm going to say some questions,
32:15
but I'm going to ask one more without this episode and that is
32:20
coming from. David GP, who's a recent hamster
32:27
contributor. Yeah, follow.
32:29
Does the color recovery work for you?
32:32
It's ingenious work, but I find it can Take Me Out of the story.
32:35
It's just a bit too distracting at times, yes, because we're
32:38
Doctor Who fans. If I cannot understand how
32:44
people, you know they're not. We, as they're called, can't
32:48
tell the difference between film and Vt.
32:51
Whereas I think to anybody else, they'd watch the mind of even
32:54
think nothing of the color, they just think it's color TV.
32:56
But we'd be what we know, you know, we can't handle that.
32:59
Toby says it. I know that say this thing about
33:02
saying to their mothers, Yeah, that's film, that's video.
33:05
That's film going to have a T but it is interesting.
33:09
This is actually BT, but it's on location.
33:11
Well, they would normally use film, you know.
33:14
All right. Love.
33:15
Yeah, the the theater and talons that was that was the location,
33:19
you know, but it was still on Vt So it makes you think that it's
33:22
the studio. She's probably right.
33:25
This is not showing it up in a warehouse, you know?
33:28
Yeah, that's, yeah, I know that. That was my my excuse.
33:31
Would you do me a favor, please? But while we're out Episode 3,
33:34
because we've been learning a bit about, you know, the
33:36
north-south divide. So would you just educate me,
33:39
please, on just one phrase that perhaps I would not have heard?
33:45
How do I bollocks? Slow that down.
33:49
How do I bollocks? How do I How do I bollocks?
33:54
It just don't be daft. How do I bollocks?
33:56
OK, I'm going to try using that one.
34:00
How do I bollocks? It?
34:02
Doesn't sound right, doesn't it? Or it.
34:05
Or sometimes like saying like just normal words but in a
34:08
different way, you know? It's it's I'm just jealous
34:12
you've you guys. I'm I'm gaming.
34:14
I'm gaming. I'm gaming to bed or whatever.
34:16
I whatever. I Whatever.
34:18
I what I Whatever. No.
34:20
One thing I hear all the time is use, yeah.
34:24
You use. Yeah, yeah, use, yeah.
34:27
Well, we say a lot. I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm
34:29
talking, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm drinking my cup of tea and I'm
34:33
drinking my Coke or whatever. You know, it's it's strange and
34:37
it just it just bleeds out like osmosis and kind of takes over
34:39
the whole Northeast. You now, we take the piss.
34:41
We're just jealous because it's a nicer accent than what we've
34:43
got. It's more distinctive.
34:45
It's got a bit more personality to it.
34:47
I suppose so. But you, you know, you might
34:49
think different. I mean, I I don't really think
34:51
anything of it, but I'm on the upside.
34:53
I'm on the inside looking out though Can.
34:55
You hear this? Yeah yeah, I'm stuck with this.
35:00
Well, look. Thank you for the first three
35:03
episodes of The Mind of Evil that was.
35:04
It's been it's been a pleasure, joy.
35:07
Will reconvene very shortly for although no one else will know
35:10
that because I'll put them all out in one week.
35:13
Yeah, thank you. The the magic of podcasting.
35:17
No, Seamless. Seamless.
35:20
It's like going from film to Vt You wouldn't know that, but they
35:24
filmed these. They recorded these on different
35:25
nights. A.
35:28
Bit of behind the scenes there yeah.
35:31
I I think I've managed to to say all my notes.
35:34
If you if you read if you read these back it it's so random
35:37
swivel chair water accidental. Who voices Daleks?
35:40
Kaquillian. No.
35:45
Kiddly. All right.
35:46
They could be all all the all the.
35:47
There was something I didn't say.
35:48
It's when. When when pert we kind of like
35:52
when he comes back to the prison he complaints about the security
35:54
passes television. It's a prison, you know.
36:01
Yeah, I think, yeah. Barnum, a possible paedophile.
36:05
Oh, good grief. Yeah, well, you did get that one
36:08
in. Yeah, yeah.
36:11
Don't. Don't get, don't give him your
36:13
dairy box, Joe. He's a nonce.
36:16
Okay, I'll cut it there.