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Nolan Wells: Timeline Blows Up, Mom “Investigated”, Where Is Nolan’s Phone? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight. In the Nolan Wells investigation, Tonight, the timeline
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  Speaker 1: seemingly blows up. This as Nolan's mother is investigated. Why
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  Speaker 1: and tonight, possibly even more important, where is Nolan's phone?
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  Speaker 1: Good evening? I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. We
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  Speaker 1: want the truth about what happened to Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 2: A Virtue boat was seen leaving shortly afterward at a
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  Speaker 2: high rated speed. Pretty certain Nolan Wells was part of
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  Speaker 2: a group that was quote almost fighting around five pm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the side of finding out why everybody got
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  Speaker 1: back to the back to the mainland except Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they've co operated at all. They do
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  Speaker 3: not have Nolan's phone. They haven't had access to Nolan's phone.
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  Speaker 3: The Jackson County Sheriff's Department has. So how can you
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  Speaker 3: say that there's text missage or there's photographs missing. Our
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  Speaker 3: boys had no reason to do anything with Nolan's phone
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  Speaker 3: other than give it back to Christine and her friends
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  Speaker 3: later that night. So anything about missing text messages or
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  Speaker 3: snapchats is completely false.
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  Speaker 1: Big question. Uh, that is Tyler Cox representing the so
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  Speaker 1: called friends of Nolan on Horn Island. And if he's
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  Speaker 1: claiming that no one see the found, how does he
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  Speaker 1: know that something's not missing. So that's a double edged sword,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. Let's hear that one more time from our
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  Speaker 1: friend Dan Abrams.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they've co operated at all. They do
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  Speaker 3: not have Nolan's phone. They haven't had access to Nolan's phone.
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  Speaker 3: The Jackson County Sheriff's Department has, So how can you
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  Speaker 3: say that there's text missage or there's photographs missing. Our
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  Speaker 3: boys had no reason to do anything with Nolan's phone
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  Speaker 3: other than give it back to Christine and her friends
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  Speaker 3: later that night, So anything about missing text messages or
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  Speaker 3: snapchats is completely false.
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  Speaker 1: That's a veterans trial lawyer, that is Tyler Cox. He's
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  Speaker 1: representing the young men that were on the boat that
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  Speaker 1: took Nolan to Horn Island and came back without Nolan,
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  Speaker 1: according to them joining me in All Star panel. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying Cox is right or wrong, but what I
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  Speaker 1: am saying out to Brandon Tatum Tatum, former police officer
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  Speaker 1: Tucson starv the officer Tatum on YouTube. He has interviewed
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  Speaker 1: Nolan's acquaintances that were on the boat that day. Officer Tatum,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let me talk about
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  Speaker 1: this one moment. We've got so much to get to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be brief. Tyler Cox stating I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they cooperated it all. I think he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about Nolan's family. They I guess the Sheriff's office haven't
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  Speaker 1: had access to Nolan's phone. Well, can't they subpoena that
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  Speaker 1: it's called a subpoena duca's teacam. You're familiar with those,
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  Speaker 1: you've testified in court. A subpoena duca's teacum. Is we
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  Speaker 1: hear about subpoenas for testimony? I've been subpoena. Yes, go
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  Speaker 1: to court and tell the truth. A subpoena duca's teacam
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  Speaker 1: is for an item, an object, a document. The sheriff
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  Speaker 1: can give out a subpoena duca's teakham or get a
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  Speaker 1: warrant for an object. So you don't have it, fine,
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  Speaker 1: get it next. So how can you say that he's
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  Speaker 1: I'm quoting. How can you say there's no text message
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  Speaker 1: or photo as a text message, your photo is missing.
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  Speaker 1: Our boys had no reason to do anything with Nolan's
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  Speaker 1: phone other than give it back, So seeing anything about
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  Speaker 1: missing text or snapchat's chats completely false. Well, according to
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  Speaker 1: the mom, Officer Tatum, she says that there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: sent out while he Nolan was at Horn Island when
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  Speaker 1: she found very odd. I have no reason to disbelieve her.
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  Speaker 1: So how can you say there were missing or there
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  Speaker 1: weren't missing. I don't think you can say it either way.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't they just get a search warrant and go
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  Speaker 1: get the phone? You know what? Forget all that, Officer Tatum.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Nolan's phone? Do authorities have it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, from my understanding, authorities do not have in the
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  Speaker 4: family have not been cooperating with authorities to give the
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  Speaker 4: phone over. According to the testimony or written statement from
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  Speaker 4: the lawyer that represents the family, the Nolan Wells family,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he had made mention that he's prepared to cooperate,
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  Speaker 4: but they have not cooperated yet, which is very interesting
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  Speaker 4: to me. You want to find out what happened to
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  Speaker 4: your son, you would think you will be doing everything
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  Speaker 4: you can to cooperate.
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  Speaker 5: I can't judge her. I don't know what's in their mind,
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  Speaker 5: but it just seems.
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  Speaker 4: To be very off putting for them not to at
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  Speaker 4: least give the phone over and do it exactly they
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  Speaker 4: told the world they were going to do, and that
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  Speaker 4: is to allow a forensic extraction of his phone. Therefore
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  Speaker 4: the world can see if there is things that have
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  Speaker 4: been deleted. I think Tyler Cox is very clear about
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  Speaker 4: what he's saying that the boys had nothing to do
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  Speaker 4: with it. So if there is anything missing from the phone,
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  Speaker 4: they had nothing to do with them. Now are at
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  Speaker 4: this when you look at what Christine said.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon, Brandon WoT I'm going to go right back to
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you're saying a lot, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to address each thing so we don't leave anything out.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, you just stated that basically, correct me. You
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  Speaker 1: compare phrases any way you want to. It looks really
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  Speaker 1: bad for Nolan's family on to hand over the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any independent knowledge they have not handed
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  Speaker 1: over the phone.
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  Speaker 4: According to their lawyer that wrote a statement, and the
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  Speaker 4: statement was we're prepared to cooperate, but that was as
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  Speaker 4: of the eleventh Therefore they have not cooperated. Tyler Cox
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  Speaker 4: has may mention that he don't believe they cooperated whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: He don't believe they cooperated whatsoever as well.
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  Speaker 1: So extrapolating, you're taking the words Tatum that their words
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  Speaker 1: that they're prepared to cooperate to Maine. They haven't handed
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  Speaker 1: over the phone. Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 5: I'm putting everything together right.
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  Speaker 4: We have Tyler Cox's coming out and saying that he
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  Speaker 4: has no indication whatsoever they've cooperated. The family has not
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  Speaker 4: come out and said that there's any findings. And then
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  Speaker 4: also the attorney that represents the family of saying that
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  Speaker 4: we haven't sent the or gave the phone over, but
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  Speaker 4: we're willing to. And that was as of the eleventh,
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  Speaker 4: So it appears that there's no indication the Brandon.
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  Speaker 1: You may very well be a lot smarter than me,
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  Speaker 1: but I can here. Okay, the statement was we're prepared
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  Speaker 1: to cooperate. I guess from Kromp. I'm not sure we
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  Speaker 1: have not handed over the phone, but we will.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, when you put it all, you have to
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  Speaker 4: put the totality of circumstances together. I'm not there to
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  Speaker 4: be in the room with the investigators to determine, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going off of what knowledge we have and
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  Speaker 4: that's been given to us, that's available and what Tyler
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  Speaker 4: Cox is saying, and I'm taking them at his word.
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  Speaker 4: He's saying that they there's no indication that they've cooperated.
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  Speaker 4: The lawyers that represent the family's saying we're prepared, But
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  Speaker 4: they did not say that they've cooperated whatsoever. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking at the statements that are produced, and all of
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  Speaker 4: the statements indicate that there has not been a cooperation
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  Speaker 4: with the phone being extracted from investigators. Therefore there is
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  Speaker 4: no true determination that things were missing from the phone.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we have no other, We have no other. I
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  Speaker 5: have nothing else to go off of here.
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  Speaker 1: To cooperate for all I know that means we'll come
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  Speaker 1: in for questioning. We'll let you search his belongings. Anything
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  Speaker 1: that does not equal we have not handed over the phone.
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  Speaker 1: But hate you know.
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  Speaker 4: What it has been weeks say tomato.
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  Speaker 1: I say Toto, because it kind of doesn't matter. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why it doesn't matter. Actually, I'll let
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  Speaker 1: an expert tell us why it doesn't matter. To Heather Barnhardt,
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  Speaker 1: joining US digital forensics expert with Celebrate, we learned all
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  Speaker 1: about Celebrate during the Alex Murdog trial. That's how we
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  Speaker 1: got everything off of his dead murdered son's phone and
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  Speaker 1: the Sands Institute s A n S. She is one
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  Speaker 1: of the pre eminent digital forensic experts in the country.
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  Speaker 1: She helped crack the Brian Coburger case, and she is
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  Speaker 1: co author of Practical Mobile Forensics, now in its fourth edition.
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  Speaker 1: That means that many people have used it, Heather, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. If the fun I don't
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  Speaker 1: care where where it is, Okay, actually I do care
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  Speaker 1: where it is. I want to know that it's been
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  Speaker 1: handed over. I don't have to have the phone to
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  Speaker 1: know what's on the phone. If it's in the cloud,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like an iPhone to me. So my argument
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  Speaker 1: with Officer Tatum is academic. It doesn't matter if I
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  Speaker 1: can get it from the cloud. So no one's phone missing,
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  Speaker 1: so what I can download it, I can get it.
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  Speaker 6: Data will exist in the cloud if he's syncing to
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  Speaker 6: iCloud and third party applications. However, having physical access to
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  Speaker 6: the phone is where the databases exist that will have
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  Speaker 6: the truth on deletion. So you really need to get
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  Speaker 6: a full file system extraction of his phone as quickly
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  Speaker 6: as possible. So if it's not handed over to authorities now,
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  Speaker 6: it needs to be because this was over a month ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now do you have to have the phone to do
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  Speaker 1: the extraction? What about the cloud?
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  Speaker 6: Cloud data is different and there's a lot of information there.
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  Speaker 6: There could be unique for me in the cloud that's
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  Speaker 6: been removed from the phone, if anything was removed. But
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  Speaker 6: it's best to have both cloud and the phone to
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  Speaker 6: paint the entire pattern of behavior and to see the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Heather Barnhart, please don't move back to Officer Tatum joining us. Tatum,
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  Speaker 1: obviously we want the phone. I think you can download
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  Speaker 1: it from the cloud. But she's the expert. She's saying
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  Speaker 1: it would help to have the phone. So don't you
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  Speaker 1: understand why. And I'm not saying this is true. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that it's true. I don't know that that
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  Speaker 1: sea toe call is real or fake. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: it's murkhy you know, Tatum. When I would try cases,
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  Speaker 1: especially complicated cases, I would start out the trial with
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  Speaker 1: a big jar, a big jar full of water and silt,
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  Speaker 1: and I had it sitting big on my council table
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  Speaker 1: day one, right beside my Bible and in closing arguments.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing I would do when I started closing
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  Speaker 1: argument is I'd take that jar and shake it and
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  Speaker 1: it would get very murky, you couldn't see anything, and
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  Speaker 1: I'd set it down on my council table and argument
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  Speaker 1: would commence, and by the time I had gone through
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  Speaker 1: all the evidence, I'd go over to my table, pick
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  Speaker 1: it up and say, see it's not muddy anymore. It's
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  Speaker 1: crystal clear what happened. My point is, we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So all the haters attacking you, attacking me, attacking the cops,
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  Speaker 1: attacking the friends, attacking No One's mother for Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. It's unjustified. Now to my question, don't
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  Speaker 1: you understand why people are suspicious because as no One
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  Speaker 1: separated from his phone, which no team does. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Why he didn't have it in the water. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I dive, I swim. I just went swimming with the
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  Speaker 1: dolphins with my twins, and yes, my phone was on
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  Speaker 1: the boat. But then I got it. I didn't let
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  Speaker 1: the boat take off without it, so at least you
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  Speaker 1: can admit that's why people are curious. I'm curious, Nancy.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's because people are out putting out misinformation
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  Speaker 4: and they don't have the totality of circumstances because they
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  Speaker 4: haven't heard from the boys, didn't watch the interview and
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  Speaker 4: all of this stuff, and they feel that it's convoluted.
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  Speaker 4: It's very straightforward to me and very clear in many
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  Speaker 4: areas that the boys are saying they did not have access.
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  Speaker 4: Christine Nolan's mother is not saying unequivocally that things were deleted.
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  Speaker 4: She was surprised that things were not present. Therefore she
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  Speaker 4: insinuated that things may have been deleted, but she did
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  Speaker 4: not really say that the phone was deleted. And the
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  Speaker 4: fact that they did not communicate with both sides, meaning
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  Speaker 4: that I wish that the Nolan Wells family would have
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  Speaker 4: communicated with these boys instead of me, would have talked
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  Speaker 4: to their lawyers instead of me, then therefore they could
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  Speaker 4: have gotten a good perspective. The boys may mention in
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  Speaker 4: the interview that I did with them that they told
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  Speaker 4: Christine Nolan's mother that they had his phone and his
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  Speaker 4: keys in their possession. Therefore she came to get them.
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  Speaker 4: They turned them over. They have no access to his codes,
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  Speaker 4: they have no reason to lead his phone. They're claiming
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing that was deleted. They gave a fair explanation
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  Speaker 4: as to why he left the phone on the boat.
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  Speaker 4: Nolan wasn't the only individual to lead the phone on
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  Speaker 4: the boat. He wasn't the only black person to lead
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  Speaker 4: the phone on the boat, So that to me dispels
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  Speaker 4: the racial component. He was with them. Multiple boats came out. Traditionally,
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  Speaker 4: if you don't leave on a boat you came on,
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  Speaker 4: you can leave on another boat. They're all going to
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  Speaker 4: the same location. So it's not that bizarre that he
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  Speaker 4: left his phone. The phone was returned to Nolan. These
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  Speaker 4: are best friends of Nolan. They hang out almost every day.
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  Speaker 5: He spent the night over their house.
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  Speaker 1: Getting to another topic, I hear you, but Tatum the
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  Speaker 1: boat the boat? Has the boat been searched by cadaver
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  Speaker 1: dogs and sent dogs?
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  Speaker 4: The boat, from my understanding, has not been searched, and
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  Speaker 4: the cadaver dogs were made available for Benjamin Crump to
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  Speaker 4: utilize them to do a search on the boat.
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  Speaker 5: They refused.
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  Speaker 1: Cramp is not supposed to use the dogs. There is
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  Speaker 1: no reason everything Crump.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Nancy, there's no reason. If there's not if there's.
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  Speaker 4: Not any evidence of a murder, there's no reason for
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  Speaker 4: them to use the cadaver dog. That's that's how this works.
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  Speaker 4: There's no. None of these individuals are. They do not
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  Speaker 4: have any expectation that there was any murder that occurred.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's just other people are putting that out
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  Speaker 4: to the world. The police department is not investigating the murder.
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  Speaker 4: These boys are not suspects.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, they're not so respects are not persons of interest.
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  Speaker 1: They're not suspects. They haven't been charged.
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  Speaker 5: But to believe if they're interviewing sixty people the boat, the.
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  Speaker 1: Search of the tro tros not it's.
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  Speaker 5: Not's not ordering it.
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  Speaker 4: He's not ordering it, be cause the dogs were made
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  Speaker 4: available if he wanted to. No, no, they made themselves,
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  Speaker 4: availed themselves to him and said, would you like us
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  Speaker 4: to search?
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  Speaker 1: You just said that about Noble Wills's mom. Do you
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  Speaker 1: say I almost hate to do this to you almost Tatum?
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  Speaker 1: You just said when Crump says we're available and ready,
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  Speaker 1: well that's no, no, no, they haven't handed over the boat.
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  Speaker 1: But now you're saying, the friends say our boat's available
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  Speaker 1: and ready, and I'm not going because that's not The
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  Speaker 1: lawn is the one that needs to go and search
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  Speaker 1: the boat.
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  Speaker 4: People who had people who had answer, the people who
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  Speaker 4: had questions, about this, because it's definitely not the law enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: It was Benjamin Crumb. They wanted to get to the bottom.
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  Speaker 4: They don't trust law. This isn't I'm saying, initially before.
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  Speaker 1: Grand jury jury, then there are ques.
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  Speaker 4: Initially initially before grand jury when this first started, and
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  Speaker 4: Benjamin Crump brought up all these questions and they made
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  Speaker 4: them uveiled themselves to him and said, would you like
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  Speaker 4: for us to search the boat, Well, we'll grant the
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  Speaker 4: cadaver dogs for you to go and look at the boat.
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  Speaker 4: And he refused. And this is why I'm saying, it does.
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  Speaker 1: Not appear authority to search the boat.
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  Speaker 5: He can. The boys are cooperating.
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  Speaker 1: To Tatum's house and sniffed the hell out of it.
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  Speaker 4: I would say come on over. I would say no, no,
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  Speaker 4: I said, come on over. The cadaver dogs are made available.
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  Speaker 4: But then Benjamin Crumb said, well, we don't want it.
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  Speaker 4: That's the problem here.
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  Speaker 1: They are not pursuing, say here's our boat, come search it.
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  Speaker 1: Did the families offer.
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  Speaker 4: The boat, They offered boat, phones, whatever investigators needed, whatever
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  Speaker 4: the family needed, they made it available. The family did
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  Speaker 4: not pursue any avenue to connect with the boys on
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  Speaker 4: any level. The boat, to talk about timeline, to communicate
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  Speaker 4: with parents, to communicate with lawyers.
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  Speaker 5: They have done nothing.
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  Speaker 4: And then now we find out that they haven't even
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  Speaker 4: given a phone over the law enforcement so they can
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  Speaker 4: do an extraction of forensic investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Stop, you know what, I respect you, but I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have to cut your mic because we have to
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  Speaker 1: be clear about something. Hold on, hold on, Philip de
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  Speaker 1: Bay joining me. He is a veteran trial lawyer, a
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  Speaker 1: defense lawyer. He's joining me out of LA He practices
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  Speaker 1: criminal and constitutional law. Debay, I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 1: either a prosecution or a defense side. A citizen cannot
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  Speaker 1: force a search on somebody else's boat, So Cromp or
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  Speaker 1: missus or Nola's mother, they cannot force a cadaver dog
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  Speaker 1: or a scent dog search all the tritime. The Triton
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement needs to bring out a cadaver dog and
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  Speaker 1: a scent dog. It's just real simple, it's not hard.
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree they are the ones with authority to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, a lot of these thought leaders and the
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  Speaker 7: thought leaders and their crusaders can all request it and
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  Speaker 7: make sure that there's an in depth, thorough investigation. But
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  Speaker 7: they cannot physically and personally initiate it or enforce all
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  Speaker 7: the procedures that are necessary to get that underway. One
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  Speaker 7: thing they can do, though, is go to the DA's
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  Speaker 7: office and ask that it be included as part of
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  Speaker 7: the grand jury investigation. Because, believe me you, Nancy, a
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  Speaker 7: grand jury starts investigating and wants all of these materials,
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  Speaker 7: including access to the boat, access to the cell phone,
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  Speaker 7: it's going to happen. Otherwise they will suffer the pains
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  Speaker 7: of contempt of the grand jury debate.
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  Speaker 1: My point is, Crump, nor no one's mother, nor anybody
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  Speaker 1: on their team can issue a subpoena or a directive
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: or permit give permission for somebody else's boat to be searched.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So when that was put to Crump, he didn't have
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the authority to do that. He's a lawyer. He knows that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And it's not the friends prerogative either. It's law enforcement
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: needs to go do it. I can't come search your home.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: That would be trespass. Correct, law enforcement has to do it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: That's a yes no. I don't need a legal discourse
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: yes or no.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Back to Officer Brandon Tatum used the star of the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Officer Tatum on YouTube. So Officer Tatum, let me understand,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't think you know where
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Nolan Wills's phone is. The family may have it, or
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it may have been seized or handed over to law enforcement.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And if it hasn't, then they law enforcement need to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: iss you a warrant for it. It's really not hard.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You've executed warrants before. I'm sure so have I.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Well, you're gonna have to have a reason to get
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a warrant.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: And if it's a criminal investigation and they believe that
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: they can find evidence of a crime, if they had
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: access to his phone, I could see them getting a
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: warrant to extract his phone outside of the parents will.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: But if you're looking at a potential.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Drowning and there is no criminal element involved, and the
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: parents are refusing to give over the phone, they don't
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: believe it's in any material evidence there no I'm saying.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: This is what the law enforcement anymore, this is what.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Perspective.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody said Nolan. You know what we're really chasing our
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: tails here. We don't know that Nolan's families refused to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: hand over the phone. My simple question to you is
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: law enforcement. If they want the phone, get a warrant
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: for the phone. Go get to the family, give me
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the phone, Nancy.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: There could be two things a foot.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not a part of investigation, but I can see
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: if they haven't gotten the phone yet, it's because they
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: don't need the phone, and they don't want the phone.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: It's not they're of evidentiary value. If there is no
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: suspect here, If it was a drowning and they and
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: there's indications of a drowning, they may not need it, Nancy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So they're not going to go get it. If they
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: needed they would already have it a month ago.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Stop Stop okay, Brandon Tatum, are you a medical examiner?
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay because what I have been told and correct me
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Don't smile at me. It's not working.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm try from what I understand. Let's go the expert.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan is joining me. Professor Forensics. Excuse me,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, World Class
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Criminal Program, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on YouTube,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: star of a hit series Body Back to Joe Scott Morgan,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: The death investigator over ten thousand death investigations under his belt.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, it's my understanding, correct me if you know differently,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: or it's Susan Hendricks, Dave mac jump in, please feet first.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Both medical examiners have stated to the effect. One says
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: undetermined now because they're waiting on I think toxicology. We
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: don't know the answer. The second one is said, undetermined
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: cause of death. That's a yes. No. Isn't that true.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: We don't have a cause of death yet.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: That has been made public. No, they said last week,
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: said last week. They said last week that the autopsy
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: report is complete, which means they have tox histo and
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: they've probably got a cause of death.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, but we don't have the cause of death.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: We don't.
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: It has not been released yet.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And the second examiner said undetermined.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because he didn't have any organs to examine exactly.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Officer Tatum, you keep saying it was a drowning. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have responded, are you a medical examiner? You said no,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: So how do you know what happened other than what
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you've been told. I don't know what happened.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you got drunk and drowned. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Sons have to push and then still have to push
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: back on you in this I did not say it
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: was a drowning.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I give you two options.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I said the police could be investigating a crime, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: if they're investigating a crime and they have suspects and
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: they need evidence, they will extract the phone with a
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: search warrant against the family's will.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: If they they do not believe that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: They're investigating a crime that's been committed and it's and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: it is a drowning according to them, they may not
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: need the phone, so they not. They're not gonna They're
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: not gonna do a warrant to extract the phone against
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the family's will. So that's all I'm saying, Nancy. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: did not say I know for a factor whichever way
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: it went. I really don't know, and nobody.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Knows, you no.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I just may mention that they may be investigating it
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: as a drowning the initial findings, or at least an
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: do a playback.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Am I going to have to do?
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Nancy? I did not say that it was a drowning.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I said that they could have investigated as a drowning
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: or as a suspect involved in a murder, and that's
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: why they would do certain things and not do others.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: My point is, Tatum, we don't know the answer, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: this is an investigation to find out what happened. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: when you have an investigation, you subpoena documents, items, testimony.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: There's a grand jury set that means there is an investigation.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: You know what a grand jury is, right, they investigate.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: They have two tasks, one as an investigation arm, two
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: as a charging arm. In both cases they gather evidence.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: If they find out this was an accidental drowning, so
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: be it. If they find out he had help getting drowned,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so be it. Our point here and with this I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: think you agree, is not to harm anyone's reputation bury
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: somebody unwarrantedly name the wrong person. I'm not naming anybody.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I want to know what happened to Nolan. I don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: understand why so many people are upset about that. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: speaking of drowning, I'm actually glad you brought that up, Tatum.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan death investigator. It could be that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he did drown but that does not rule out foul play.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It doesn't rule it in it doesn't rule it out.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: Explain, Yeah, you're correct, I mean drowning. Just so you understand,
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: if somebody, say, for instance, has has a head injury,
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: right and they fall into fall into a body of water,
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: all right, that can lead to drowning, right because they
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: might they might still be unconscious but capable of breathing.
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: And of course if you're in a in a water environment,
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: you're going to be taking on water. I've worked cases
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: where water has actually been weaponized as a means to
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: take someone's life. But I've also worked Nancy a lot
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: of cases involving accidental drownings where people fall over the
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: side of boats. I've even had homeless guys that have
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: passed out face down in mud puddles and have drowned.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: You never can predict, you know, how any of this
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: is going to happen. All we can do in the
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: morgue the medical legal community is assess what we see
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: at that moment in time. When we're trying to look
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: at the lungs, we're trying to look actually at the
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: inner ear. That's one of the areas that we go
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: to with drowning, and we try to assess the brain
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: as well, because you can have the brain begin to
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: swell in these certain circumstances. So there is a huge
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: recipe that goes into this. When you're trying to do
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: a fatal diagnosis here, you know, when you're trying to
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: come up and you know and make this assessment, you
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: want to do it necessarily. I think it's best you
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: try to do this in dependent of maybe what the
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: police are saying, what friends are saying. You objectively look
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: at the science of what's before you, and then after
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: that you go back in and factor in some of
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: the circumstantial information.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: You're seeing a video given to us by Officer Tatum's show.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Look at all the people out there speaking of witnesses,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Joe's got you dead on, thanks Tatum, because you know what,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: somebody saw something, somebody knows something, and they are not
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: coughing it up, and we're going to keep on until
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they do. Now, speaking of the friends as you call them,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe them or disbelieve them.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: This is what you told me earlier. Back to Officer Tatum,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: star of the Officer Tatum on YouTube. Have the friends
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: taken polygraphs?
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: From my understanding, all but I believe one took a
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: polygraph and from what was told to me that they
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: all passed, and all of the ones that took a
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: polygraph took one without a lawyer and so, and they
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: cooperated with law enforcement. So from my understanding, everybody took
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: a polygraph test.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: From understand, did they tell you they took a poly
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and path?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: They told yes, ma'am. They told me that they did it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I wasn't there, so that's why I'm saying, from my understanding,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: they told me that all the boys except one, which
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: is Warren, I believe, took a polygraph test. All of
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: them did not have lawyers and did it and cooperated
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: with police. Warren also cooperated police. I just believe he
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: didn't take a lot of tech to tests. But Warren
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: is the young man that I interviewed. So according to
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: what they told me, they all took a lot of
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: tech tests and passed. And it's an equivalent of a
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: lot of tech tests. It's not a traditional lot of
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: tech tests, but it's the same theology of trying to
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: get to if a person is lying. I don't know
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: the name of it is. It's an equivalent of a
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: lot of technicals. It's a different methodology. Yeah, I don't
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: believe it was a polygraph test. I believe they took
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: other stressors in order to analyze it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Then did they take a polygraph? Would be no? Officer
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Tatum number one? They did not take Polly's number two.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Warren as you referred to him, did not take the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: voice analysis. Why did he not take a voice analysis?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Number one? And number two? Since we spoke on this last,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: have they taken pollies? And if not, why not?
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me just make sure clear because I think
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: the Internet went in a frenzy about this. It's a
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: computer voice stress analysis, is what I was referring to.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: None of this is admissible in court, and I don't
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: think it has the weight to concern anybody of whether
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: or not anyone took it or not. I just thought
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: it was important to show the cooperation that they had
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: with the police, even more cooperation I believe almost in
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: then the Nolan family, I mean, the boys have given
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: their phones over to the FBI voluntarily, and we still
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: haven't gotten Nolan's phone from the family to the police.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So well, you back on all line because you don't know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You've already said you don't know where the phone is
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it could be sitting on the sheriff's desk for all
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: That's well, if they did it in the last ten minutes,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: maybe that could be true.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Oh so you knew before you joined us tonight that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Nolan's family had not handed over the phone.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I have no information to believe it was handed over.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: The last report from their attorneys that they hadn't handed
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: it over.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So that was your quote understanding, just like you had
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: an understanding that they took a polly and then clarified
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they did not take polly. Okay, they have not taken
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a polly. You don't know why Warren hasn't taken a test.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And a computer stress test is a voice analysis. It's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: not the same as a polly. You also, you know
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I asked you earlier are you a medical examiner? And
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you stated no. I know you're a star on YouTube.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I know you have a huge following. I know you're
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: highly popular. I know you're former police officer. Are you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a juris doctor? Are you a lawyer?
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not. I've worked with lawyers.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Because polygraphs are admissible in court. Bam, Nancy, I have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: both parties stipulate ahead of time that they will be
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a lot. I don't care if you've never heard of that, Nancy.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Nancy is not going to I don't know of a
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know of a trial that has happened from
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: our understanding in recent time, that somebody put a polygraph
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: before a jury and it was effective. I mean that
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of flaws.
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, O J.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Simpson, Well that was a long time more civil trial
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and showty was big fat liar.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Well, what I'm saying is there has not been significant
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: usage of polygraphs in the court of law because there's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: too many flaws. Even as a police officer, we don't
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: even use polygraphs anymore. Most police departments use the computer
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: voice stress analysis, and neither one of.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Them I would trust.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Most police departments do not use the polygraph tests anymore.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: They've moved towards the computer stress analysis. My head of
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: security when he went to the police department, they used
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: the computer stress analysis, and it's not it's not it's
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: not even full proof. I mean, I would not trust
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: somebody to use that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Anybody they take a polygraph, you know, in the famous
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: words of the bar Shakespeare, they take The answer is.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: No, they took a voice stress analysis.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, explain to me, Explain to Tatum why
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a voice stress analysis is not the same as a polly.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It analyzes your voice a polly, Uh does your heart beat,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: your rhythm, your perspiration, your blood pressure, whether you're sweating,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: your eye blinking, the whole kit. In kaboodle, I.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: Can address why, why it's certainly not admissible either one
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: of these or not admissible and in criminal court, okay,
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: and that they have right there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Hold on, before you take one more step, are you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Are you a lawyer? And nobody told me go ahead
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and get mad. I don't care. You're not a lawyer, Debay,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you are a lawyer, Debay. Isn't it true that if
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: we've got if both parties stipulate ahead of time in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a criminal case, which practically never happens. But if they
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: do that polly is allowed in court if.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: The judge games are relevant, it still has to meet
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: the relevance.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So then yes, don't go off on me. The answer
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: is yes, we both know the law. It's a yes,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it's a yes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: It's all so.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. So there you go, Morgan and Tatum. I hope
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you have learned something tonight that said, Joe Scott, as
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: much as I respect you as a death investigator, don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: give me the law. Don't. I'll go to Dubay for that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: I'll give you forensic science. I'll give you science, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: I will tell you why neither one of these tell
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: me yeah, okay, because they're not quantifiable. If you look
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: at the Fry test, if you look at the Dobbers.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Never mind, you cannot no, no, no, Do I need
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to google it? Because I won't. I can just read it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Ask you the difference in a voice analysis and a polly.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That's the question. Let me refresh your recollection. Do you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: know the difference?
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: No, I don't want to know the difference, because it has.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Had to say difference. Okay, they are admissible if stipulated.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: A polygraph measures all sorts of data on your body.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It is much more reliable than a voice analysis. For
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: all I know, these friends took a voice analysis because
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it was readily available. I don't know why they did
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that over a polly. There could be an innocent explanation.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: They didn't have to do anything, but they did. They
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: did do something, or at least most of them did.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: That's the question. I want to know has the boat
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: been searched. I want to know where the phone is.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I want to know how they taken a polly? Is
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that asking so much? To Tonya Jordan joining us and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Officer Tatum, please jump in if you have a question,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: if you want to contradict something, I want to know.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I want to know the truth. To Tania Jordan, she's
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: chief officer at BART Parental Controls. She's the author of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Parenting in a Tech World. To Tanya, were speaking to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Heather Barnhart earlier tonight, could you explain how a snap
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: disappears and whether it can be grabbed back out of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the cloud. The same thing with DM's, same thing with
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: text messages photos. A lot of teens think because they
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: hit delete, it's gone. It's not.
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: It's not. And with regards to snap, if you send
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: a photo or video and the other person hasn't opened
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: it yet, it's live on Snap's server for up to
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: thirty days. Same with unread texts. Now, if law enforcement
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: send Snapchat a valid legal request before the message is deleted,
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: Snapchat will freeze that data and hand it over. But
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: if the message was already deleted before the police asked
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: for it. Snapchat apparently cannot retrieve it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true to Tanya Jordan that modern technology can
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: prove whether you have deleted anything? There is a digital
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: trail showing if you have deleted photos, text messages, videos,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: Absolutely. I mean so many people don't even realize that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: On Apple phones, when they go to delete a photo,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: there's a whole folder in there called deleted photos, where
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: they live for at least another thirty days. Your digital trail,
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: it's so hard to erase. It's why tech experts like
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: myself tell you when you have old tech that you're
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: no longer using, don't immediately recycle it, don't throw it away.
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: You've got to give it a water bath to fry
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: every component inside of it. Because you can dig up
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: a digital trail very easily and nothing, nothing disappears when
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: you're dealing with technical aspects.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And so to you, Tatum Star the officer, Tatum, we
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: can find out if the friends are telling the truth.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be hard. They may be telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth. We didn't delete anything that may be true.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a digital investigation, and frankly, it's not hard
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  Speaker 1: to do. The friends who I believe now are your
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  Speaker 1: friends after your extensive interviews with them, may be completely
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  Speaker 1: exonerated on that. Now, my question to you is you're
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  Speaker 1: stating that the friends I'm talking to about the young
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  Speaker 1: men on the Triton, that the friends have handed over
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  Speaker 1: their phones.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, they've handed on their phones to the FBI voluntarily.
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  Speaker 1: I find that very commendable because do you know how
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  Speaker 1: hard it is to get people to hand over a phone.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you have to issue a search warrant or
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  Speaker 1: a duke is teacm. So they have handed over their
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  Speaker 1: phones voluntarily.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, according to the lawyer, and according to what
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  Speaker 4: they told me. They said they hand it over to
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  Speaker 4: the FBI voluntarily. And the sad part is is that
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  Speaker 4: I wish that Nolan's phone could be evaluated because they
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: there have been claims that had not been substantiated, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe that the claim should have never gone out
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  Speaker 4: in the public unless they were substantiated.
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  Speaker 5: That there was a potential that things were deleted from.
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  Speaker 4: His phone, which put these young boys in a bad
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  Speaker 4: position unnecessarily. It's not fair to say that you're throwing
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  Speaker 4: out that things were deleted, but Obviously Mom can't determine
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  Speaker 4: if they were deleted because she couldn't do a forensic
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  Speaker 4: investigation on the phone, So she really don't know which
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not knocking her her baby.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she within man and we don't know she would.
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  Speaker 5: But Nancy, she would have told the world.
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  Speaker 1: You got it bad backwards, Tatum.
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  Speaker 4: She would have told the world if she would have
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  Speaker 4: found she would have told the world. Nancy, if she
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  Speaker 4: would have found certain things that were actually deleted, she
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  Speaker 4: would have come out. I'm sure Benjamin Crump would have
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: come out, and I would commend her to come out
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  Speaker 4: and encourage her to if she he saw that a
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  Speaker 4: picture of Nolan was deleted, a text from Nolan was deleted,
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  Speaker 4: specifically talking about or inferencing certain things.
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  Speaker 5: If any of those things had happened.
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  Speaker 4: I would guarantee it should be criminal if they would
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  Speaker 4: not turn that over to law enforcements. A law enforce
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  Speaker 4: can evaluate the phone and see if there were individuals
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  Speaker 4: communicating or deleting communication, because that is a crime. We
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  Speaker 4: just seen that happen in Texas where young boys there's
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a young man that drowned, they go and delete stuff
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  Speaker 4: off his phone, throw his clothes in the water, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: they were arrested for tampering with evidence. And so if
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: there had been deletions on the phone, even if there
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: hadn't been a determination that anyone had murdered Nolan, tampering
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  Speaker 4: with evidence or deleting evidence potential evidence is a crime.
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  Speaker 4: And so the fact that the family, from my understanding
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  Speaker 4: and what the lawyers have said, that they haven't given
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  Speaker 4: this information over the law enforcement for them to evaluate.
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  Speaker 4: It's very troubling to me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay again for the million times you don't know, they
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  Speaker 1: haven't and I don't know that they have. But what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying about tampering with evidence is absolutely true. But
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  Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that Dolon Wills's family
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: has tampered with evidence. That said, I think you've got
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: things bass Aukwards. I do not want to convict or
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  Speaker 1: hang an innocent person. All I want to know is
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: what happened. And I haven't even gotten to the Cetoe call.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Is it real? Is it fake? I'd like somebody I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: eat you if you have the original to put it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: out there. But that's it. What blab ba bah, don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: go off on that. Susan Hendrix joining us. Susan Hendrix
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: is a veteran investigative journalist. She's the author of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: best seller Down the Hill, My descended to the double
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: murder in Delphi. She exhaustively researched and investigated the double
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: murder of two little girls and came to the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix, you've heard all of the evidence that we've
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: got tonight, and there's so much more we haven't gotten to.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear where things stand now. Is there
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  Speaker 1: a grand jury? Is there gonna be a grand jury?
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  Speaker 1: Where is the phone? Was the boat searched? Just enlighten
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  Speaker 1: me in any way that you can, Susan Hendrix.
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  Speaker 10: There is a grand jury. They are investigating. You mentioned Delphi.
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: There's hints of this to me, meaning it's being tried
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: in the court of public opinion. And it's troubling to
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: me that we talk about the mom and we don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: know that she didn't hand over the phone, so now
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: she has to go on defense. And as Officer Tatum said,
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: the boat has not been searched by cadaverdogs. So we
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: know that grand jury is investigating and the parents have
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: to suffer through this, and also all attorneys have to
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: say is I don't think it's my understanding that she
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: didn't hand over the phone. She wants to know what
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: happened to her son, she wants to know. Why wouldn't
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: she hand over the phone. It's just obscene that she
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: has to suffer through this.
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  Speaker 1: Even more, well, you hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 1: right there, and you answered a very serious and critical question,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and that is there is a grand jury. Everything Tatum
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: is saying, and everything I'm saying. You know that phrase
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in the Bible, Tatum, we are now looking through a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: mirror darkly. We're looking through a very murky, grimy glass
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: because we don't know. You are saying one thing, I'm
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: questioning that because we don't know. And in the middle
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: of it all we have got a dead body of
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Wealth. I don't want to get tangled up in
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: arguments and vitriol that detracts from finding the truth. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I don't take anybody at face value. I don't suspect anybody,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and I suspect everybody. I can't tell who's telling the truth,
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  Speaker 1: but we will, we will. God help us find out
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: what happened to this young man. If you know or
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: you think you know anything, please dial two two eight
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: seven sixty nine three zero sixty three. Tonight we remember
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: American hero Sergeant Kyle Robert McKee US Army, killed in
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the line of duty, leaving behind a beautiful wife turned widow, Lauren,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: and three children, Jackson, Canaan, and Ela. American hero Sergeant
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Robert mc keee. Thank you to our guests, but
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us to night in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: our search for the truth of what happened to Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off for to night, but I'll see
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night.