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Mass Effect 5 Cancelled, Epic Goes AI-First, and Why You Don't Really Own Your Games · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  [music] >> Welcome. We've got lots of news this week.
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  >> Yeah. Not all of all of it good, but >> No. >> it's been on the wall for a while now.
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  And of course, I'm talking about BioWare. >> [laughter] >> Uh >> [sighs and gasps]
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  >> yeah, I was like sad at first, and then, you know, we
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  have a little little WhatsApp group >> Yeah. >> where basically everybody else was like,
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  "Yeah, well, everything they touch [ __ ] now." And I was like, you know, that's >> Yeah.
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  >> like >> inaccurate. >> You hear of like BioWare going, you
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  think Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect trilogy, and all this great
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  stuff. And then you realize what they've done for the like the last decade, and you go,
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  "Oh yeah, we had Andromeda, which was sad. We had
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  Anthem, which that game could have been great.
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  >> Yeah. I mean, it was, in a way. I liked it. >> I enjoyed but
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  >> I mean, not enough enough people did, I guess.
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  >> Well, the thing is, I people enjoyed it. I think people enjoyed the game. People
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  didn't like it as a live service. >> Yeah, fair. >> If you you had have made that like a
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  single player like they're good at, >> Yeah. >> have been a great game. Like when you're
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  flying around, everything's beautiful. You You your mech or I forget what it's
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  what it's called gets hot, you fly into water and under waterfalls. Like it's
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  beautiful and great, but then you had to play with people. >> Yeah, other people.
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  >> And the problem was >> Destiny made it work. >> No, but when I played with people in
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  this is I join a mission, and because this person's finished the game
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  and knows where they're going, they're just flying through, and I'm getting
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  just zapped everywhere instead of me being able to explore. >> Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's not that kind of game, I guess. That's the problem. It's like it's Yeah,
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  I I I assume people you that Let me try that again. >> [laughter]
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  >> I assume you would have the same problem in Destiny. Because
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  Uh if you can still play Destiny, I'm not sure. >> I think that's me, too.
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  >> Yeah, but they're shutting They're just not making any more content for that.
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  Anyway, not the point. Um cuz I assume you'd have the same problem
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  mhm if you were playing with random people. >> Well, problem with those games, you need
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  to commit to them. Like that needs to >> Oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  >> your game. That's it. Like you >> Cuz I like Destiny, actually, as a
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  Destiny 2. I played quite a lot Um >> I played up to the exact point where it
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  got to and now we're going play with other people and this stuff.
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  >> I mean, you don't have to. I don't know, maybe you used to have to more back
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  You definitely don't now. >> There was a point in the story where it
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  was basically Yep, you've done all the story missions that you can by yourself.
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  Now go out and play with people and do your light score and
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  >> Yeah, also, I suppose I played it later. Like it's pretty different now, I think,
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  to whatever >> Yeah, I played it day one when we still had D H.
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  >> I Yeah, I know I bought it. I have the the like the collector's edition of it.
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  >> Yeah, cuz that was the big game from Bungie after Halo and then it
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  >> But I never I didn't play it, obviously, as much as you. Mhm, back then.
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  >> But yeah, anyway back to EA cuz we're going to stay on topic.
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  We're going to. I'm going to force myself. So, a little while ago, EA was purchased
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  by, I think, Saudi Arabia. >> Right. Okay. >> And
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  the first thing >> like space. >> Well, no, the first thing that any sort
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  of When anything's anyone purchase or anyone new takes over, the first thing they do
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  is fire people. >> Yeah. >> That's tends to be the trend is to >> Sure. >> And
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  BioWare was I think the big one to go and but
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  Yeah, that's as we're saying, like hasn't done anything in a while. I think
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  the last they released was Dragon Age, which was >> Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one.
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  >> That was a weird the purple one. >> Whatever the the one that was all purple. >> Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's a real shame cuz the Dragon Ball the >> Dragon Ball? >> Dragon Ball.
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  The >> Dragon Age? >> They were they were great games when
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  they first came out and the story >> Well, the first one was great. The
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  second one was notoriously not good. >> I still liked it anyway. I enjoyed it
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  and I also liked the fact that it kept your decisions from the first game as well and
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  traveled over and then and then that just stopped and then they gave us
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  Dawn Guard I think was the last one. >> Oh, yeah. And Inquisition was in there, too.
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  >> Yes. >> The third one which I thought was pretty good. But
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  again, I think people didn't like that either. People are never happy. I guess
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  that's the less that's the lesson here. >> They're going to be Actually, I think there's
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  As a uh after I said I'm going to stay on topic, I think there's going to be a
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  job for people coming up soon. >> What? So, oh, for like actual humans?
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  >> Actual humans. I think I have So, Steam Fest is on at the moment. >> Yes.
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  >> What they're finding is it's just a ton of AI slop. >> Yep. I saw that.
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  >> Last week we were talking about how sort of people are going out and vibe cobing like
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  Photoshop and all these stuff and it's sort of like a middle finger to the
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  companies, but now we're also same thing happening to indie developers. >> Yeah.
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  >> Hey, here's my game I want to show you and people are just go, "That's great.
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  I'm going to make a copy of that." >> Yeah, that's a good idea. I've stolen it now.
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  >> But I think the only way you're going to be able to really compete with that with
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  betting what's on a store is by real people. >> Right.
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  >> Cuz you can train AI to go and detect if this is AI in everything, but then
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  people will just make get make their game to get past the AI. >> Uh-huh.
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  >> So, then we're just having people using AI to make things for AI and then we get
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  left in dust. So, there's going to have to be a job for people to actually vet
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  games again. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. To determine if they are AI. But how would
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  we But we can't do that. >> it's not the fact if they're AI or not.
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  It's the fact if they're any good. >> Oh, I see. Right, right.
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  >> Like, is this a game that's going to be worth playing? And I think we're going
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  to get a lot more shadow drops coming up soon. >> You think like review sites will be like
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  >> a thing again. >> Like back again, yeah, instead of everybody just playing everything.
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  >> Cuz you're not going to be able to keep up with everything. >> Mhm.
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  >> So, you're actually going to need sort of new sites to go, "Hey, this is
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  not AI slop. It's actually a game worth playing." >> Yeah.
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  Yeah, cuz I saw a video where they scrolled through and they were trying to
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  figure out which were and were not AI and then I found out you don't have to You only
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  have to disclose AI usage on Steam if it's for like art assets or music kind
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  of thing. You don't have to disclose that you coded using AI, which makes sense because uh
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  apparently everybody's just co- coding with AI now anyway.
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  >> And it's actually quite scary. >> that they did use it for that.
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  >> I think we're going to see a lack of innovation, especially in the indie
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  space, for a while. >> Maybe, yeah. >> Because >> know. I'm still like
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  I saw Mick Gordon did this interview recently where he talked about AI and how
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  I think he was particularly music-focused, obviously. Um
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  but he was talking about, you know, AI can't do what humans do because it's just got
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  this database of all this music that there is and it kind of just iterates on
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  it. And then And I'm like I don't know. That's kind of what people
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  do as well. It's just not as like >> Not >> I I'm What I'm All I'm I'm going to say is
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  I'm not convinced it won't be able to do that. >> Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying.
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  >> No, what I'm sort of more concerned about is indie developers sort of coming up with
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  a new idea, showing their game, >> having >> 10 people then >> Oh.
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  >> make a copy of it and then that actual game getting lost in the which one
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  should play. we That's already happening, but I think we're going to see a lot less.
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  >> before the AI, it already happened. There was like the mobile games that
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  used to happen all the time. And then like some game would get huge and then
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  the some little indie developer who came actually came up with it was like [ __ ]
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  >> Yeah, and it's just going to get worse. >> Yeah. >> Cuz it's so easy now.
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  But I heard a story about there was even one person that used AI to copy a game
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  and they thanked the original developer for their inspiration.
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  God. And it's just a copy of it. >> We've got an AI game I want to talk
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  about in the afterparty. >> Ooh. >> It's a vibe coded game that's been in
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  the news. But um on the topic of BioWare still. >> Sorry.
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  >> Um no, that's all right. Mass Effect 5 canceled. They were working on Mass Effect 5.
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  >> And then someone leaked >> Mass Effect universe. Yeah, they leaked a trailer for it.
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  Yeah, and uh I got to say it looks pretty [ __ ] good. It's just a trailer.
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  >> It's just a trailer though and it did look good, but >> It's no gameplay. >> Yeah.
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  >> It's just like uh you know. >> I think this was
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  >> a vibe trailer, but the vibe was good. >> Yeah, I think this sort of probably was
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  internal marketing to go look, this is what >> Mhm. >> we're doing working on and
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  >> No. But yeah, while I while I was watching it I go oh, this does look good. And
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  then I thought about it more and I went this is not gameplay. This is not story.
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  This is just showing how cool it might look, but not >> Yeah. >> the substance behind it.
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  >> It is story, but I mean were we to believe the the the person speaking? I
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  guess he's a he's a What are they called? >> [sighs and gasps] >> Oh, Spectre. >> Yeah.
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  Uh but he's also wearing the N7 armor.
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  >> Yes, and the ship looked a little bit like the Normandy.
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  >> So it was like Oh, hang on. Is this just the the as Shepard? Like >> Mhm.
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  >> They're all I don't know. I was confused about that. I mean that not that it
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  matters because it's whatever getting this. >> But it's just like, oh, it's just
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  coincidentally another person who's exactly the same as Shepard became a Spectre?
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  >> I really wish they had of done something better with Andromeda instead of just
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  crapping that out. >> Yeah. I I mean, I didn't hate it as much as
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  everyone else. >> I The thing that I didn't like about it
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  was they kept talking about how like it's going to you're going to be world
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  building and things are going to change, but then you'd land on a planet, do a
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  couple of missions, and then the settlement would sort of be
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  built, and then that was it. That was the only real substantial change to that world.
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  >> you would come back later and there'd be more stuff was my is my
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  memory of it, but maybe I'm misremembering. >> You I think you're misremembering. It
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  wasn't It wasn't as big a change as you'd I was expecting. >> All right.
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  >> Like I was look looking at the ideas like maybe even doing things to help
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  like build bases, like do things see the settlement actually expand more than just
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  yeah, we're finished the island people going to walk on their generated routes
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  over and over. >> Mhm. >> And then we didn't even get the final DLC for it.
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  >> Oh, cuz everybody hated it, so they just like, ah, [ __ ] it. >> Yeah.
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  Cuz I think what was meant to be one of the galaxy ships didn't make it and you
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  were going to go search for it or something. >> Oh, I remember that. The
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  >> I forget which race it was. >> Quarians people Quarians. Quarians?
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  Quarians? Did I make that up? >> Or Quarians from Star Wars? >> Are they?
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  Quarians. [snorts] Not as Quarians. >> Okay. >> Well, either it's the Quarians or
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  it's a Okay. Let me The [laughter] Quarians are what Tali's race is. >> Yep.
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  >> So, if I think it was them. >> Could have been them. Could have been
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  anything. It was a long time ago. >> And now I'm like, was Tali her name?
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  Tali Mass Effect. >> Tali, yes. >> Yeah, okay. >> You killed her.
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  >> I did not kill her. She killed herself. Because of what I did. >> [laughter]
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  >> Failed to do. I failed I can't remember. Everybody died in my first [ __ ] Mass
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  Effect 3 play-through. >> Yeah, no. Cuz you need to go and do
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  every single side mission. You can't skip stuff.
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  >> need to import the previous game, which I didn't do cuz I played Mass Effect 2 on PC.
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  And then I played Mass Effect 3 on the Xbox 360. >> Yep. >> And um
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  So, it didn't import my game. So, I didn't see Jack. Cuz you have to have
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  done an import to see Jack. >> Mass Effect 3 was a 360 game, wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
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  I still remember it being good back in the day. >> Got my copy signed by Jennifer Hale.
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  >> Yep. We love Jennifer Hale. >> Yeah, she's great. Um
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  Yeah, so I don't know. The trailer looked good. I was like made me go
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  [clears throat] and go ah, bummer. I would It seemed like maybe that could have
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  been good, but I don't know. Maybe you're but then I was also looking
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  >> at their track record for cuz they've still been making
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  story uh games with big stories in them, but yeah, stories haven't been that good.
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  >> Yeah. >> Like Dragon Age Inquisition really felt
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  like a It felt like a game. It felt very do this, do that. It didn't
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  didn't feel immersive like Mass Effect. >> The fact that game existed Yeah, it
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  can't be good. The fact that I didn't even remember that existed. Uh well, there's a
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  People are now because of the trailer >> Mhm. >> gamers are now calling for a boycott of
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  EA. And there's a uh uh a petition
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  which at first I was like a petition like what? To just not shut down the studio?
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  >> Mhm. It's done. >> No, the petition is to have them sell
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  the game rights to somebody else who will actually do something with them, which >> Okay.
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  >> I mean, yeah. All right, they might They might do that.
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  >> Like don't sit on Well, who knows? EA might be planning to do something with it soon.
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  >> Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, actually yeah, you're right. You're right. They
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  own They still own it. It's just BioWare's gone and they're not working on anything.
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  >> Yeah, that's a good point. >> And it wasn't like this game was coming
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  out next year or anything. It was still years away. >> Yeah. >> So
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  >> There's not even any gameplay to show us. >> Yeah, maybe we're jumping the gun going,
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  "Sell it to someone to do something." When they're going, "Hold on, we might
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  do something with it." >> Yeah, we've got plans for that IP. >> Yeah.
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  >> And you're not going to You're not going to like them, but we will. >> [laughter]
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  >> There's going to be lots of microtransactions. >> Love those microtransactions.
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  >> I think they are working on another Battlefield at the moment, which
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  I'm all in for. I like them Star Wars Battlefield games. >> No, I knew you
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  >> Star Wars Battlefront Battlefront. >> Oh. I'm just thinking of
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  What just came out? Call of Duty? Was it >> Yeah, Battlefield 6 or 5 or something.
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  I'm playing it at the moment. >> Wait, is it Battlefield or is it a Call
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  of Duty? I'm getting confused now. >> Battlefield Oh, no.
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  Call of Duty just came out, sorry. I am playing Battlefield at the moment. They
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  all just They're the same game in my head. >> Yeah, no, that's why I got confused, too.
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  >> Yeah. >> And Battlefront is Star Wars. >> Yes. That I'd like I'd like it It's been a
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  while since we had a Battlefront game. I'd like them to do a bit of justice to
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  the single-player story this time. >> Yeah.
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  Yeah. What about that? Are we still getting that
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  uh Knights of the Old Republic remake? Is that still happening? What did that
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  >> Comes and goes. It's >> I feel like I can't remember whether it
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  last got canceled or is happening. But anyway, BioWare wasn't doing that, right?
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  >> No. No. Um former KotOR remake Julius they're
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  remastering. Okay, evidently it's still still
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  happening. >> All right, good. >> Oh, no, that's an article about Shrek 2
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  remaster, which I don't know why we need a remaster of that.
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  >> The The movie or the or a game? The game. Shrek 2 the game. >> the game remastered.
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  >> Have you played that? >> No, I have. I have not.
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  >> Really? You're leaving achievements on the table.
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  >> I've I'm actually trying to catch up and I'm trying to be good and actually just
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  go back and play games that I have in my library. >> I'm coming for you. I got some
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  achievements this week. >> Did you get some achievements or did
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  someone else in your family get some achievements?
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  >> I got the achievements. I was just It's just a game I was forced to play by
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  somebody else in my family. >> Were you playing Bluey by any chance? >> Nope. >> No.
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  >> No, I got some rare achievements. I got like a bunch of rare achievements in
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  Little Kitty, Big City. >> Ah. >> I guess probably because nobody playing that game.
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  >> [laughter] >> But like I got a bunch of them that were rare because
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  Yeah, well We talked about this last week. Little Kitty, Big City, you're a little black
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  cat. The cat looks exactly like Binky. >> Mhm. >> And my daughter's obsessed with our cat
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  Binky. Her cat Binky. >> Her cat. >> Um and so she just loves this game and
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  is making me play it every night before she goes to bed. >> Okay. >> And since
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  I'm trying to squeeze as much content out of this game as I can, I'm getting a lot of
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  achievements because you know, it's not a huge game.
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  >> Oh, you've actually completed the game. >> Yeah. >> Wow.
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  >> Yeah, you just have to get all >> button this game. >> [sighs and gasps]
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  >> Yeah, some of us are just better at games, Luke. >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
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  Well, well, I will attempt to catch up maybe one day. >> of those achievements I got are
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  are rare? You can probably see that on True Achievements, right?
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  >> Yes, it should be. Like completed all the quests. >> [snorts]
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  >> It's like the most rare achievements I've ever gotten. >> Yep. >> For sure.
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  Because normally [snorts] I only get the achievements that are super easy cuz I don't
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  >> So you need to enjoy some more cardboard boxes?
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  >> Oh, that's true. Yeah, I know that. I know that. Yeah. Actually, no, that's
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  Yeah. Blue boxes, get some hats. Yeah, there's more hats. We've got all the hats.
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  >> but there's more hats. Recycling? So, you get cans that you put into recycling.
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  >> Oh, I didn't know that. All right. I have to do that. >> Mhm.
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  You got to break some stuff. You got to bust some old birds' nests. Yeah, so
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  it's all just the collectible stuff you got to do now.
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  >> Yeah. This year I want to No, there's one more I've got to find the the
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  chameleon again. The chameleon who tries to hide and you
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  can always find him really easily cuz he's the wrong color.
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  I just don't know where he is at the moment. >> got to track him down.
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  >> Once I get Once I find the location, I'll find him. >> Yeah.
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  >> Because he's a child king. >> I think I might have an easy one for you.
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  >> I don't need him, mate. I'm going to get all of them, but go on.
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  >> Uh just take 20 photos. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, fair enough.
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  >> Doesn't need to be of anything, just Just take 20 photos.
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  >> Yeah. No, I'm going to take the photos of things because again, Lyra will like
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  that, so. >> Well, there is another one where you need to get photographed 20 times. I
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  don't know how to do that. >> Get photographed. >> I'd like to go back and play this game.
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  I've got three achievements here so that I got distracted. >> to say it's it's
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  I mean, it's fun. >> Yeah. >> It's a really simple, kind of clunky
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  game, but you know, it's fun. >> It's fun. >> Yeah. Go around, unlock stuff, and
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  trip people over so you can steal their food. >> You ate all the yummy fish.
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  >> I did. It was yummy. The cat said so.
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  Uh I also got some achievements in Resident Evil 4, which I'm still playing.
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  >> And are you still enjoying it? >> I am. It's with like with all the
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  Resident Evil games and games like that, it's like I am enjoying it.
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  I do They stress me out. >> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Uh which is intentional. >> Yes.
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  >> Um, and so it's always like I get to unlike a normal game where I
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  just keep playing and playing and I'm like you know, like ah, might maybe should I
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  go to bed? No, I'll just keep playing for a bit. Resident Evil's kind of like
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  I get to a bit and I see the little save thing going in the corner and I go
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  do I want to deal with this right now? >> [laughter]
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  >> Cuz the problem is it's cuz it's you that it stress you cuz it's the hard
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  makes it harder to go to sleep as well. So you've got to try and yeah.
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  >> So like literally last night I was like uh, I got to
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  uh, I'm assuming a lot of people have played this game before. The bit where
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  there's the two chainsaw ladies come through the wall and then
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  you have like it's like another scene where there's like a whole mob of of
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  people coming at you. And it's like uh, I was like, you know what? Not right now.
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  >> Not tonight. >> Not right now. >> See, I I I do like this game. I I think
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  the good thing about this one is it's not as stressful as the like Resident
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  Evil 1 and 2 were because I don't think ammo's quite as difficult. You don't have to
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  be as sparing. >> They Resident Evil 4 I mean I have the
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  original probably wasn't like I think the original was more like set in where
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  everything was. Resident Evil 4 the game is programmed to give you
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  ammo. >> Yeah. >> And it's kind of like clever in a way because
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  you always feel like you're low on ammo. >> Yes, but there's always >> I haven't run out.
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  >> Yeah, it's always there when you about to do something
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  >> Yeah, and I know it's a it's a balancing act cuz if you go go too nuts so
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  shooting the handgun or whatever, yes, you're going to run out of bullets, but
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  >> yeah, the game does a pretty good job of however they're doing it there's some
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  algorithm I guess in the game that's like okay, he's using the handgun a lot, give
• 22:12
  him more handgun bullets, but not too many handgun bullets. >> Yeah.
• 22:16
  >> Like you always feel like >> just want to be on edge a little bit and
• 22:19
  just you got to play your shot a little bit better.
• 22:22
  >> No, it's good it's really good. And and we talked last week that some of the
• 22:26
  stuff in the remakes nice. Yeah. Like you know, you can store the guns in the
• 22:32
  typewriter, which doesn't make any sense, but you can. >> Special.
• 22:37
  >> 4? Yeah, Requiem is too I almost I was like, should I buy Requiem? I really
• 22:41
  want to play it. Maybe I should just do it. >> It's like 15 bucks. >> For the four remake?
• 22:47
  >> Four remake. >> I'd say it's worth it. It's good. >> I will do it. That's a good price.
• 22:52
  >> Yeah, it's a good game. >> Yeah. I know I tried to There was another
• 22:56
  remake of it years ago that I tried and it was >> Oh, yeah, sure.
• 23:00
  >> atrocious. Like I could not >> I think it's just like just a graphical
• 23:03
  update, right? The other one. This one's like full on remake like Yeah. And it's
• 23:08
  funny because I'm playing it and I'm like, yes, this is how I remember it. >> Mhm.
• 23:14
  >> [clears throat] >> I watched the video of what >> [laughter]
• 23:16
  >> I watched the video of what it looked like on the GameCube. >> [snorts]
• 23:19
  >> Far out, man. You My memory is kind to these games. >> Yes.
• 23:24
  >> Like it's not not It was amazing, but I look at the video of it and I'm like,
• 23:28
  [ __ ] that's what it looked like? >> Well, see like like
• 23:31
  if I go back and I think of Halo and that first time you walk out of the ship
• 23:35
  and you see everything and it's And then you go back and you watch that
• 23:40
  now, you go it's just brown blobs. >> Even back further, Unreal.
• 23:45
  Unreal when you walk out of the spaceship at the start with the
• 23:48
  waterfall and everything, blew people's [ __ ] mind. >> Well, even shooting the gun looked
• 23:52
  amazing. >> Yeah, cuz the lights were colorful. Yeah. Cuz there was a bit at the start
• 23:57
  where you would go backtrack out of the spaceship and the colored lights would
• 24:00
  start flashing and it was like like, oh my god. >> I don't probably don't want to go look
• 24:06
  at that now, do I? >> I mean, I haven't in a while. I'm just
• 24:09
  thinking That's an example that came to mind of something that we all used to
• 24:12
  talk We talked about it. >> Yes. >> We were like, have you seen this [ __ ] game?
• 24:16
  >> We talked about it when anyone came to land, you go, hey, you got to see how >> Yeah.
• 24:20
  >> Well, this looks and >> This is like games aren't going to get any better than this.
• 24:25
  >> [laughter] >> We have reached peak game. >> I actually kind of think we have kind of
• 24:30
  reached peak game these days. >> Like visually, you mean? >> Yeah. >> I don't know.
• 24:37
  Big leaps anymore. >> No. Not like we used to. >> Yeah, I wonder if there'll be a Resident
• 24:44
  Evil 4 remake remake one day that'll be just like photo realistic. But
• 24:49
  >> Well, that's that's really that's the next big thing is having it
• 24:53
  that until then I don't think I'm not seeing >> You know what?
• 24:56
  Hang on, I'm just going to ask Claude to make that. Resident Evil 4, but make it photo
• 25:03
  realistic, make no mistakes. Okay. >> Ah, you can put that last line in, so
• 25:07
  it's going to be perfect. >> Yeah. Ah, I shouldn't have revealed my secret. >> [laughter]
• 25:12
  >> Yeah. Okay, so it's going to work on that in the background. >> Yep.
• 25:15
  >> What? What's that? Oh, I've run out of tokens. >> Yep. >> Um never mind. >> [laughter]
• 25:20
  >> Oh, did you see this on the topic of AI just quickly? And we've got another AI
• 25:24
  article for after this, too. Did you see the Anthropic uh
• 25:29
  Ah, it's like a I don't understand this [ __ ] It's like an IPO
• 25:33
  related thing. Basically, this released financial information. >> Okay. >> Is the way to
• 25:38
  >> [laughter] >> how I understand it. And anyway, last year, 2025, >> Mhm.
• 25:43
  >> the whole year, they reported uh $8 billion loss. >> Is that all?
• 25:50
  >> This year, the first half of the year, >> Mhm.
• 25:54
  >> $80.7 billion dollar loss. >> [laughter] >> [ __ ] hell. Like
• 26:01
  >> That's so much money lost. >> Cuz that's just one of them. There's multiple out there.
• 26:07
  >> Mhm. >> Who's going to be holding the bag that when >> I think >> they all go bankrupt?
• 26:14
  >> Well, this there's a couple things like that. Yeah, okay, that that could happen. They
• 26:18
  could go bankrupt. Uh >> They're all not going to survive.
• 26:21
  >> At some point, they're going to have to either uh there was a conversation about this
• 26:26
  Ah, I read it on I can't remember where I read it on Hacker News. It's two thing
• 26:30
  one of two things has to happen. One, they have to jack the prices up. Because
• 26:35
  it's not sustainable. So, at some point people and now everybody's already using
• 26:41
  this stuff. And so, it's going to be a it's going to be a nightmare. Cuz
• 26:45
  there's literally now businesses built on top of this stuff that are just going
• 26:49
  to get [ __ ] >> And if they jack it up to that they're
• 26:51
  making enough dough they're not losing money not not even that they're making
• 26:53
  profit just so they're not losing money. >> Yeah, this is going to go bankrupt
• 26:57
  instantly out of business. Right? If they have to do that. Cuz again, the
• 27:01
  $20 that I pay right now for Claude every month, I pay $20, right? I am
• 27:08
  being subsidized by somebody out there who's investing money. Like, it costs
• 27:13
  way more than 20 bucks to do all the [ __ ] that I do with that. Um so, there's that or
• 27:18
  it's possible that over the next couple of years there's enough progress on
• 27:24
  making it um you know, more uh optimized getting the models better that the costs
• 27:31
  come way way way down. That's possible. >> I heard something today which if it's
• 27:35
  true, I don't think Nvidia's helping with that. >> Mhm.
• 27:41
  >> So, I've heard that Nvidia cuz you know how they're they're selling the memory and
• 27:47
  like they're selling [clears throat] all this stuff. And
• 27:51
  so, but they're making companies like buy it basically essentially before
• 27:55
  they're even ready for it. So, they know that they'll be they'll have it before
• 27:58
  they're ready. So, they >> Like pre-sale kind of thing.
• 28:01
  >> Yeah, they're poking out a ton of stuff that they're just putting in the storage
• 28:04
  for when they're ready instead of buying it cuz they don't know when they need it
• 28:08
  if Nvidia will have it. So, Nvidia's stock price is going up. They're selling
• 28:12
  all this stuff that people are rushing to buy so that when they do need it it's
• 28:16
  going to be there. So, it's going to slow down that sort of
• 28:19
  optimization I think because it's well, we've got this sitting in storage we
• 28:23
  might as just throw that at it while we've already paid for it. And but yeah,
• 28:28
  they it sounds like they're paying for it before they actually even need it.
• 28:32
  >> Is this going to be like uh this has happened throughout history,
• 28:35
  but like examples of this where I think back in the I'm I'm not a I'm not a historian, but
• 28:41
  back in the early days of America when they, you know, invented banks and money >> Mhm.
• 28:47
  >> and everybody was dropping off their gold at the bank and being given paper
• 28:51
  money and then uh something happened. I don't know. Maybe the Civil War, I don't know.
• 28:57
  >> Yeah. [laughter] >> It might have been a different day to
• 28:58
  that. Someone's going to write in and correct me, but at some point this
• 29:01
  happened in American history where everybody went to the bank cuz they got
• 29:04
  the shits with the bank for whatever reason and said, all right, I want my
• 29:06
  gold back and the bank was like >> We don't have
• 29:09
  >> We don't have We haven't got enough gold for all the money we gave out and then
• 29:12
  it was like, well, that's illegal now, but like but is it
• 29:17
  going to be like that where Nvidia's like, yeah, we sold pre-sold all this
• 29:20
  RAM and then everyone's like, okay, we'll have the RAM now and then Nvidia's like,
• 29:24
  >> Oh, all of you? >> [ __ ] >> Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you've you're on
• 29:27
  the list of when our next shipment's coming through, but but even when
• 29:31
  they're getting the shipments now, they're not using it yet. They're just
• 29:34
  shunting it in a warehouse until they're ready. >> Yeah.
• 29:37
  >> But they're still going to be buying more because and then they need to be there.
• 29:41
  >> All the AI companies going to go bankrupt and it's going to be like that
• 29:44
  um COVID thing where the guy bought all the toilet paper.
• 29:46
  >> Yes. Can we [laughter] go Can we return this? Middle finger. >> That's your RAM.
• 29:52
  Uh someone else did say too though, if um uh you know, all the coders now are
• 29:58
  using AI uh and someone said, well, what happens if it goes away? Everyone's
• 30:02
  going to have forgotten how to code, but and and I think this is true. Um
• 30:06
  the open source models uh not as good, >> Mhm.
• 30:11
  >> but I think that would be the path forward if something like that happened. Like
• 30:16
  >> I call developers out anyway. None of these know how to code anyway. Before AI
• 30:20
  came, you just used Google. >> Stack Overflow. >> [laughter]
• 30:24
  >> Yeah. You type it in Google, you find someone that did something like you
• 30:27
  want, you copy it in and you make it work for what you wanted it to. That's
• 30:31
  how it all worked anyway. >> Nothing's changed. >> There are people who do that. There are
• 30:34
  of do that. I always try. If I look up something, I always try and make sure I
• 30:40
  understand it, right? Because I don't like the idea that I'm putting this thing out
• 30:46
  there and I don't know what it does, right? And then, I mean, obviously you
• 30:49
  have time constraints sometimes, but but yeah, you're right. People did do that a lot. Um
• 30:53
  And the thing that worries me about the AI stuff is that that like
• 30:59
  it is really easy to not do that. Yes. Just go like do this thing, refresh the page, it
• 31:04
  works. Okay, good. [ __ ] commit that. Like I [snorts] would people
• 31:09
  try not to do that, okay? Cuz the I mean, I've seen the code that that it
• 31:13
  writes and it's not always great. Like, you do have to check. >> It's kind of
• 31:18
  from what I've seen with some people doing it, it's adding lots of useless
• 31:21
  stuff that doesn't need to be there. Yeah. >> Yeah. They call them the the god
• 31:27
  controller in in some of the React stuff it makes where it just shoves everything
• 31:31
  into one file and it's like There you go. >> I mean I mean, it works. >> Yeah.
• 31:36
  >> And if you tell it not to do that, it won't do it. It's just that it's just I
• 31:41
  don't know. It just does it. I don't know. I mean, and also maybe it doesn't
• 31:44
  do it anymore. They might have fixed that, but like they I don't know. Just
• 31:47
  just check the [ __ ] code is the point. >> It's there to help you, not replace you. Yes.
• 31:53
  >> That's what it That's how it should be. Yeah. I think junior developers probably
• 31:57
  have to worry a bit. Like, >> It's going to be harder for them to learn, I think.
• 32:02
  >> I wonder about the future of people getting into into Well, how how do you
• 32:06
  become Like, I'm a senior developer, right? How do you become a senior
• 32:08
  developer if you can't be a junior developer because the AI does all that
• 32:11
  stuff? Like, that's a bit of a question. >> you, like, a junior developer learning
• 32:17
  from their mistakes now, they're just going to ask AI what what was wrong and
• 32:22
  then AI will go this and they'll go, "Okay." And they'll do that. But they've
• 32:25
  learned nothing from that experience. >> Yeah, and you don't get
• 32:28
  Exactly. And cuz the experience is the bit where I think, you know, like, you
• 32:32
  can look at something some code that the AI wrote and go, "No, that's not a good
• 32:37
  way to do it." Whereas a junior would be like, "Oh, is that how you do that?" >> Mhm.
• 32:42
  >> And yes, it's No, maybe it's not. >> With a lot of IT stuff, I find the best
• 32:47
  way to learn things is from things going wrong. >> Yeah, totally. Yeah.
• 32:52
  >> Yeah, and then you learn by failing and >> you do something and then you go, "Oh,
• 32:55
  that's like why is that so [ __ ] slow?" And it's like, you know, you
• 32:59
  learn you know, more efficient ways of doing things and then by default you
• 33:03
  just do things that way and then when you see the AI do it something you go,
• 33:06
  "No, don't do it that way." You know, it's Yeah, it's experience. >> Yeah. >> But yeah.
• 33:12
  So anyway, the world is coming to an end is the point. >> Yes. >> Yep. Yep.
• 33:16
  >> Um happy we're old. >> Yes. Um but on on the topic of AI >> Yes. What's the news?
• 33:23
  >> Well, Epic Games broadly has gone all in on AI, it seems. And
• 33:30
  they've been getting a lot of [ __ ] There's been a lot of news about Well,
• 33:32
  they're getting a lot of [ __ ] and they're getting
• 33:34
  I feel like there's two camps. There's a cool anti-AI camp and there's a very
• 33:38
  vocal pro-AI camp. So it's hard to know how much [ __ ] they're actually getting. But
• 33:44
  Epic Games is shifting to an AI-first development strategy for its
• 33:50
  collaboration with Disney. Letting AI models write all the code and guide all
• 33:55
  the artwork for the upcoming shooter. >> So I think the problem that I think a
• 34:01
  lot of people who are against it is the fact that they're seeing all these
• 34:04
  companies leaning into it and then they're saying about the people that
• 34:07
  these companies are also laying off. Like it's >> Yeah. And then, you know,
• 34:14
  it's like, you know, it's the industrial revolution, this happened as well. But
• 34:18
  >> Yeah, and people are saying that people will find their spot in the new world, but
• 34:22
  >> Yeah. >> But >> But that's the thing I keep going back to.
• 34:25
  >> I still don't know Well, I came up with one job earlier.
• 34:29
  People actually have to start looking at games again. >> Playing games. >> Yes.
• 34:33
  >> [laughter] >> Um It's like that whole thing with the
• 34:37
  truck drivers where they you know, when the when all the cars are autonomous.
• 34:40
  Yeah, exactly. We They said, "I'll go learn how to code." Well, don't do that now.
• 34:44
  >> No, no, no. That's That's not safe anymore. So >> We also [ __ ] everybody out of that
• 34:48
  job. So >> I think what um I heard of someone saying um you're going to need
• 34:53
  someone with fine motor skills to screwing the little screws for things soon.
• 34:57
  >> Oh, yeah. That was The children will do that. >> Yeah.
• 35:01
  >> Like, what are the adults going to do? Just manage the children. >> Yes. >> Mhm.
• 35:06
  >> They'll run the daycare that's doing all the labor.
• 35:09
  >> But then that'll just be go out to the robot army to do.
• 35:14
  >> Yeah. Yeah, well, the robots are only going to get better, too. Yeah, we're
• 35:17
  [ __ ] Again, the theme of this whole conversation is the world is doomed. >> Yeah.
• 35:21
  >> Uh but yeah, Epic's gone all in on it, apparently, and I don't know.
• 35:27
  People are annoyed about it. I don't know. I think it's probably is
• 35:34
  I mean, this is the reality of it is that it's all going to go this way. I know
• 35:37
  the art in particular, I know it bothers people >> Mhm. >> because
• 35:42
  I There is something that feels different about art versus code. Like
• 35:48
  >> Well, even with the art, like I'm seeing some stuff and
• 35:52
  a lot of the time the art that AI does is all just the the same. Like, you can
• 35:58
  a lot of times >> everywhere. >> You just look at it and go, "Well,
• 36:01
  that's just AI." Like, it's just >> Yeah. I I'm particularly as a as a parent, now
• 36:06
  I get The school has like I'm I'm a PTO member of the school, so I get a lot of
• 36:11
  newsletters and I get and then all the like [ __ ] related to
• 36:15
  soccer and then like everything. It all looks like It's got that look where it's like the
• 36:22
  AI generated >> And the problem is this, we're probably
• 36:25
  not giving That's probably because I put something in and it's the first prompt
• 36:28
  that came out and went, "Yeah, prompt done." >> And and and then it's like So, I know
• 36:33
  some people say, "Oh, yeah, you know, an artist could have done that." Like, I
• 36:35
  don't know if you remember what stuff looked like when we were in school. They
• 36:37
  weren't going to pay an artist to do that. It was just going to look like crap.
• 36:41
  >> It was just going to look like uh clip art. >> Yeah, exactly.
• 36:44
  >> Pasted in and some pics. >> So, so nobody's lost a job over that stuff, but
• 36:50
  >> But, with Epic we can actually see they've laid off a thousand people.
• 36:56
  >> Yes. In March, citing a downturn in Fortnite engagement as the main reason for the
• 37:03
  move. >> I did not take that job being a tester for 2K. >> Yeah? In Australia?
• 37:09
  >> Yeah. >> I mean, are they even there now? >> No, no, they shut down years ago. Like
• 37:15
  and that's what I was lucky at the time that that happened, but I would that
• 37:18
  would have had me foot in the door for that and I would have had experience and
• 37:22
  been able to get a job, but like game industry wasn't something good
• 37:26
  to be in at the time. It's even worse now. And yet, it's still the highest
• 37:30
  grossing thing ever. >> Yeah. >> Like it makes more than movies, it makes
• 37:36
  more than television, like it's that's where the money is.
• 37:39
  >> thought, too. You know, I wanted to do me I wanted to make games. That's why I
• 37:42
  went to uni and did programming and I didn't because I wanted to be like Ron
• 37:48
  Gilbert and just make a game with a small team and kind of have be a
• 37:53
  creative little team and do a little bit of everything the way Ron does, like,
• 37:56
  you know, I do the you know, do work on the story and then I can't do the art,
• 37:59
  but I can have input on the I can do stuff like that. And then right as I was at
• 38:03
  uni is when gaming got so big that if I
• 38:09
  was a programmer I would just be a programmer. And I and I was like I got
• 38:14
  super disillusioned where I was just like, well, I don't want to do that. I
• 38:16
  wanted to be creative as well. And so I just didn't.
• 38:20
  >> Yeah, to be Ron Gilbert you needed to have been Ron Gilbert back in the day. >> Yeah.
• 38:25
  >> And then he just got fired. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah, he you know he lives in New
• 38:29
  Zealand now? >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, he moved to New Zealand. He's
• 38:32
  making Thimbleweed Park Two with uh crowdfunded. >> I'd like to see him.
• 38:36
  >> [ __ ] awesome, man. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I love Ron Gilbert. But and things
• 38:40
  yeah, things came around, right? Because now you can be an indie developer and
• 38:43
  all that stuff. But I I back like I'm really glad I didn't
• 38:47
  go into that because I feel like the game industry changed so much. I
• 38:51
  wouldn't have liked it. And then now, you know, even you know, if I was in there now
• 38:57
  it's tough right now, man. Like >> Well, even before you had to keep your
• 39:00
  resume up-to-date cuz now >> It's just like a >> with everyone being laid off like where
• 39:06
  are you going to even go for a job? >> grinder, man. You just throw humans into
• 39:10
  it. Like it's brutal. Throw them in >> get the game made, fire them all. >> Yeah.
• 39:17
  >> Start again. And then they're just firing them all and not even starting again. They're
• 39:20
  just going AI will do this part for us now. >> Until it costs too much. And then what
• 39:26
  are they going to do? Come they're going to come crawling back
• 39:30
  to all the people who are now I don't know what they're going to do.
• 39:34
  Playing the games. Just playing the games and somehow making money.
• 39:38
  >> Like I Yeah, I cuz I know people say like people industrial age all happened but people
• 39:43
  just but where are you adjusting to this time? Like what is >> Yeah.
• 39:49
  Yeah, if every job can be better done by AI. What do humans do? Well, it's it's what
• 39:55
  uh Andrew Yang was talking about. Universal basic income, baby. >> Mhm.
• 40:00
  >> Everybody just gets some money and then uh you know >> Yeah.
• 40:04
  >> I don't know where the money >> I don't know how that works.
• 40:07
  >> comes from and how it all you know followed to its conclusion. I don't know how that
• 40:13
  works. >> No. >> Hopefully some smarter people can figure
• 40:15
  that out. But the idea that you your government just gives me money and I sit
• 40:19
  here and do what I want. >> Yes. >> Sounds fine. >> Sounds fine.
• 40:23
  >> Like nobody would have much money. >> No. >> Like you're not going to get rich like
• 40:27
  that. >> But also do you need to be >> I think I would go insane though. Just
• 40:34
  >> Yeah. >> sitting at home with >> Yeah. >> Like
• 40:38
  >> Well, I mean you could go on vacation. >> Yeah, but
• 40:43
  >> It's just like really retirement. Like really early retirement. Cuz no one gets
• 40:46
  to work anymore. >> Well, it's the whole thing like I think people are thinking Star Trek.
• 40:52
  >> Yeah. Oh, you want to go to space. But like But yeah, like
• 40:56
  >> The reason Star Trek work is cuz they can replicate food which took away like
• 41:00
  these replicators which took away the fear of being able to eat and have a
• 41:03
  roof over your head. Like that was the whole thing. Like there was a
• 41:06
  >> What do people on Earth do in Star Trek? Like does everybody just work for
• 41:10
  Starfleet? What do people on Earth do? >> They they still work, but
• 41:13
  >> mean in like Picard where they like got confused about that where there's
• 41:18
  like people who are like poor. >> Yeah, I didn't quite understand that. >> That's
• 41:21
  >> The whole idea is people were just working for the greater good of
• 41:25
  humanity, but they still like run bars and things like that, but there was no
• 41:30
  if I don't do this, I'm not eating >> it cuz you want to do it.
• 41:33
  >> You do it not because you want to do it. You want to improve things and
• 41:36
  >> That sounds good, mate. That sounds good. >> Mhm.
• 41:40
  But the problem is is for that to work, all the trillionaires and billionaires need to
• 41:45
  not worry about money either. >> [laughter] >> They need to
• 41:51
  >> I have to think they'll just absorb more and more of it. >> Yes.
• 41:54
  >> yeah, our UBI will get It's more so you know what? We're not going to solve this
• 41:58
  problem I don't think on this on this podcast. >> think so cuz we've got no power or
• 42:02
  money. >> Or knowledge. >> [laughter] >> We don't actually know what we're talking about.
• 42:08
  >> No. >> Um all right. So Epic, yeah. Going all in on the AI and I assume
• 42:13
  other companies are as well. They're just not being as vocal about it for some reason. Um
• 42:17
  something different. >> Okay. >> video games. >> Okay.
• 42:21
  >> We talked recently about you know, you don't own your games. You don't own your
• 42:26
  games. You don't own your movies. You don't own anything anymore. They're just
• 42:29
  renting them to you. Uh and they've been forced lately to make it clear that that's what's
• 42:33
  happening. And I still think a way to do that is you should have how long you will own
• 42:39
  that license for up front. >> Sure. So then they can shut it down if
• 42:43
  they need to or want to. >> Yeah, but not uh I'm going to buy this game and then in I
• 42:49
  don't I don't I'm going to have it 10 years or 2 years, it's a you'll have it
• 42:53
  for a minimum of this time. >> Well, there's a new bill
• 42:57
  that's been introduced to Congress. It doesn't mean it's going to go anywhere,
• 42:59
  but it's called the Power to the Players Act. And basically the point of it is
• 43:05
  it would force change things so that it basically if
• 43:08
  you buy a game, it means you own it. You don't license it. They want to make it
• 43:12
  not illegal to just do that license nonsense. >> Yeah.
• 43:15
  >> Uh which, you know, the main problem with that stuff is that um
• 43:21
  you know, they shut down live service games and then you can't play them
• 43:23
  anymore, which means it's literally useless. You can't play it anymore. I
• 43:26
  think they want to get rid of that. I don't think it's to be like, you know,
• 43:28
  if it's like a old console then you don't you know, they don't have to like
• 43:33
  make sure you can play it on new hardware or anything like that,
• 43:36
  but it's just to stop them from shutting a game down. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah.
• 43:39
  >> Uh >> What they even shut down single player games which >> Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 43:45
  >> Yeah, well, that's it. >> I think it's to stop that kind of stuff.
• 43:48
  And I I do think it's just probably good, but I also think it's going to
• 43:51
  have they're going to have to change the way that they make those games,
• 43:55
  which is also probably good. >> Yeah. >> Like because you can't really force
• 44:00
  Well, I mean, maybe they can, who knows, but I don't think it's
• 44:03
  a service up and running for Yeah, I don't think that's that's not
• 44:08
  >> You can go from where it's hosting service to look, you >> It runs on the console.
• 44:15
  >> It runs on the console now. Like this you can set up your own service or do
• 44:18
  what you want, but we're not paying for that anymore, but if you put the game
• 44:20
  in, you can play it. >> There's plenty of games where it's a
• 44:23
  like Resident Evil 4 remake. It's It's single player game that's on my [ __ ]
• 44:26
  console, right? Like I There's no reason I couldn't own it in the traditional sense.
• 44:32
  But I don't at the moment because it's on the Xbox. I'm renting it. >> Yes.
• 44:37
  >> Like a game like that >> purchased it. >> So, this bill would make it so that No,
• 44:42
  no, they can't do that. If I buy Resident Evil 4 remake on my Xbox, I own
• 44:46
  it. They can't take it away from me. And I think that's probably good.
• 44:50
  >> That's good. Whether it gets anywhere >> Exactly. We'll see.
• 44:54
  >> But and this isn't going to stop them from like oh, we'll never make a remake
• 44:57
  or anything like that. They still want to They still want [clears throat] to do
• 45:00
  remakes cuz that's still just another cash inflow for them.
• 45:04
  >> Now, this is for games like What was that big one recently that came out
• 45:07
  where they basically released the game and then within a month they just shut
• 45:10
  it all down and it's like that that it's got to stop that kind of [ __ ] That's
• 45:14
  not You can't shouldn't be allowed to do that. >> game I have installed at the moment. If
• 45:19
  I uninstall it, I will never be able to play it again and it came out last year.
• 45:24
  And it's sort of like like it's hardly ridiculous and it's How
• 45:29
  is I I I understand that make up cuz it's happening a lot more, but
• 45:34
  a year is just insane that >> Yeah. Well, this that Well, I was just
• 45:39
  saying that they didn't make it two months. They didn't make it two months
• 45:41
  and they were just like, "Nah, [ __ ] it. No one's playing it. Shut it down." But,
• 45:43
  then people they Not no one's playing it. Some people paid money for that. >> Mhm.
• 45:50
  >> That rental that you you snatched away from >> And unless you gave back that money
• 45:56
  >> Mhm. What? No, they they used that money, look.
• 46:00
  >> But, yeah, hopefully it goes somewhere. I don't know
• 46:02
  It's something that needs to happen. I don't know I don't know the answer to it.
• 46:07
  >> No. Well, I mean, I think the answer is is that. It's just like
• 46:14
  Yeah. >> But, the problem is the life for games that require servers and stuff, you
• 46:17
  mean? What's the answer? >> Well, the problem is that with it being digital now, so uh
• 46:24
  cuz the cost this this is where I think it's pretty funny. So, a publisher they
• 46:27
  can choose to remove it or something, but they're not ones bearing the cost of
• 46:31
  actually sitting on a storefront >> Yeah. >> to be downloaded from. So, yeah,
• 46:36
  someone's still paying for that for that storage to keep that up to date to keep
• 46:39
  that there so you can redownload it any point. >> if it's a single-player game, someone's
• 46:43
  going to have to make sure you it's accessible. >> Yeah, and so you're going to leave
• 46:47
  I know, boohoo, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. They're the ones that are
• 46:51
  going to have to do it. What are the publishers >> [laughter]
• 46:53
  >> So, it's not really fair on them to do it, but at the end they've got enough of
• 46:56
  my money, so >> Yeah. >> Not defending them, but that is
• 47:00
  something just to consider because we don't have physical media for it anymore. >> No.
• 47:06
  >> The games have to be stored somewhere. >> But, are they getting rid of physical
• 47:10
  media because they want to embrace this >> I >> digital license thing more, in which
• 47:14
  case would they be like, "Well, okay, we'll do the physical media again."
• 47:17
  There's no reason for them not to, right? >> it's I don't As much as people jump up
• 47:22
  and down about physical media >> Oh, yeah. >> they're not buying it, either.
• 47:26
  >> No, it's way inconvenient. I've got some games on disc only, like older Xbox
• 47:33
  One games, like like Fallout 4 I have that on disc.
• 47:36
  >> Well, now you can you can install that and then you get the digital license,
• 47:38
  which is good. >> No, I know, I know, but like for a long
• 47:41
  time and and also it's on Game Pass. Yeah, so but but as just as an example,
• 47:45
  right? If I have to choose If I sit down and I've got a little bit of time to
• 47:48
  play a game, right? I've got a whole bunch of games that I own digitally and
• 47:52
  then I've got some games that are on disc. And if I sit down and I'm like,
• 47:55
  "What am I going to play?" Oh, I'm I haven't played this in a while. Oh, I
• 47:57
  need the disc. [ __ ] it, I'll play something else. >> Yeah. Like, it's what it comes to.
• 48:02
  >> Because by some somehow it got too inconvenient for me to just reach down there and get
• 48:08
  a thing out of a case and put it in there. I'm too lazy to do that now.
• 48:11
  >> You want Microsoft should listen to me right now. Microsoft, I'm going to make
• 48:15
  you a fortune and you're going to be the savior of everything at the moment.
• 48:19
  >> Here we go. This is going to be a short on YouTube and you're going to get rich. Go on.
• 48:23
  >> All Microsoft need to do is go back to their idea they had for the Xbox One. >> Yes.
• 48:29
  >> About us being able to have that digital license and us being able to share or on
• 48:34
  sell it. >> Yeah. >> And the whole idea about the share the selling of it was
• 48:39
  we would sell it, they would get a cut, the publisher and developer would get a
• 48:43
  cut, so there's it's not like so with the used market would still be
• 48:47
  there. Publishers are still getting money, developers are still getting
• 48:51
  money from it, but we're able to sell our games and which will help. If that
• 48:56
  do that, the internet will love you. >> And the sharing, Luke buys all the
• 49:00
  games. Yes. He's going to lend me his and I won't have to buy them anymore.
• 49:04
  And somehow that will make you money. Microsoft just don't think about it too much.
• 49:10
  >> Just don't think about it. But I really wish I really hope they got If they do
• 49:13
  that, they're going to have so much goodwill. >> I know.
• 49:16
  >> And I think they've started it cuz the technology is still there cuz people
• 49:20
  are being able to do the Xbox to digital with their Xbox One games. So they've
• 49:23
  had the technology still sitting there. >> Yeah.
• 49:26
  >> Do it. So yeah, Microsoft, listen to me. Trust me.
• 49:30
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's right. Somehow me not paying you anymore will
• 49:33
  make you more money. >> Yes. I think it will. I think more
• 49:36
  people would go out and invest and >> Mhm. >> And remember I said they would get They
• 49:41
  would get a cut of the sales as well and >> I mean that was a whole industry on its
• 49:47
  own, the used game market, which has kind of gone away now cuz of the digital
• 49:50
  stuff. But they could bring it back. And they could make them money instead of
• 49:53
  GameStop or EB or whoever the [ __ ] else. >> And hey, mention
• 49:58
  any game you want to now. Luke, do you have that? Probably. >> Yeah.
• 50:03
  Little Kitty Big City. >> Actually, I might not because I'm No, I
• 50:06
  probably wouldn't sell them. I'd just share them with our listeners. >> [laughter]
• 50:11
  >> You know You're not helping this plan. They're never going to do this.
• 50:14
  >> The plan will still work. Trust me. >> You've convinced me. Yeah.
• 50:20
  Um All right. Some I think it's it's kind of big news. It's
• 50:25
  kind of not big news. There's some news from Valve, all right?
• 50:29
  So there's been rumors There's some rumors going around. It has been for a
• 50:32
  while, right? There's something called HLX that's been popping up in in like code.
• 50:39
  People have spotted People look for this stuff in code now. >> Yeah.
• 50:42
  >> Like there's something called HLX that they're working on over at Valve. And
• 50:47
  and it Nobody at Valve has acknowledged this until now. There was a presentation
• 50:53
  recently. Like just the other day they were talking about um
• 50:57
  It's a game sound con and they were talking about the art, technology, and
• 51:01
  business of game audio. And uh they're talking about high dynamic range audio.
• 51:08
  >> Mhm. >> And the audio artist, Mike Morasky, said this.
• 51:13
  Our HDR system is basically that's one of the three pieces that come together
• 51:17
  to make an HDR that you can easily optimize. In fact, I think Dead Lock has
• 51:21
  their own version of HDR, HLX has its own version, and so on and so forth. And
• 51:25
  then everybody went >> HLX, I say. >> That's the first time somebody from
• 51:29
  Valve has ever said that out loud. >> They've actually acknowledged it now, not just
• 51:33
  >> Um And then afterwards, there's like clips from afterwards that somebody's
• 51:38
  gotten, and uh one of the some other guy from Valve says to the him afterwards,
• 51:44
  "Nice work. You only said HLX once."
• 51:49
  And so, which has only made it worse, because now everyone's like, "What the
• 51:53
  [ __ ] is HLX?" Everybody thinks it's a new Half-Life game.
• 51:57
  >> I'm going to go out there and tell So, make my prediction now, it is not
• 52:02
  Half-Life 3. Valve will never make Half-Life 3 because >> What do you think it is, though?
• 52:08
  >> I don't know, but it's probably going to be something like Remember when they had
• 52:12
  the VR thing for >> Sure. >> That's going to be something like that. They're not They
• 52:17
  They don't know what They were to release Half-Life
• 52:20
  >> games, though. He said Dead Lock. Dead Lock's a game. He's
• 52:23
  HLX He said Dead Lock has their own version of HDR, HLX has its own version.
• 52:28
  Sounds like he's talking about a game. >> It sounds like a game, but I Yeah, but
• 52:32
  might be another VR thing. Might be It's not going to be a >> You're right.
• 52:35
  >> It's not going to be Half-Life 3. They will never make it because no matter
• 52:38
  what they do, that game will be panned. They will never be able to make anyone happy.
• 52:44
  >> I mean, they might not call it Half-Life 2. But Wait, who Okay.
• 52:50
  Does Valve still make games? >> I'm actually looking into at the moment.
• 52:54
  >> What the [ __ ] does Valve do now? Other than Steam, obviously.
• 52:57
  >> Just They do Steam Machine. They do hardware and and
• 52:59
  >> So, and they sell games on a platform. And I know they've They've like
• 53:03
  >> They've got like >> small >> Aperture Desk Job, yeah. Artifact
• 53:07
  Foundry, Half-Life Alyx, Counter-Strike 2, Deadlock. So,
• 53:13
  >> They They used to make triple A games. What are they working on?
• 53:16
  >> I don't even think they've got the people to make Half-Life 3. >> Really? Okay.
• 53:21
  I just What do they do over there? I applied for a job at Valve once.
• 53:24
  >> I think they just They just cash their checks. >> Yeah.
• 53:29
  >> Cuz they make 30% off every sale. And so, they just sit there and make
• 53:34
  money. And the other thing is it's private. It's not like even they're
• 53:37
  sharing with stockholders. So, Gabe will just sit there and eats money.
• 53:44
  >> I I applied for a job at Valve because they had They had a
• 53:48
  openings for um programmers. And then it had specifically in the in the like what
• 53:53
  life's like at Valve kind of thing, this whole thing about how
• 53:57
  you all the desks are on wheels, and if you decide you want to work in a
• 54:00
  different department, you just unplug, you just wheel your desk over to the
• 54:03
  other part. And I was like, "That sounds sick." Is that still like that there?
• 54:06
  >> I think it does cuz you don't really hear Valve going, "Oh, we're laying off
• 54:11
  a thousand people." or anything. And I think it's because
• 54:14
  >> But what are all these people doing? >> Well, Gabe, it's all private. So, he's
• 54:18
  not answering to anyone. They don't have to constantly be going and answering to
• 54:21
  the stockholders. >> He's just on his yacht these days. >> He just
• 54:25
  He just gets money and lets people do what they want. Um
• 54:29
  >> He's just sailing around his yacht. >> I I honestly don't think they they'd
• 54:31
  have enough people to make Half-Life 3. It's not a
• 54:35
  They'd be You need hundreds of people to be working on that, not just a handful
• 54:39
  of people. And I don't even know who works How many they've got, but yeah.
• 54:45
  >> I don't know. This article's You know, people have been talking about
• 54:49
  this for a long time, and there've been uh reputable journalists adamant it's coming.
• 54:54
  >> say Half-Life 2 wasn't that good a game.
• 55:01
  It wasn't. >> Elaborate. >> You shoot things, you now drive here,
• 55:07
  you shoot things, you know, drive here, you shoot things, you know, drive here.
• 55:10
  It was a very repetitive game. >> That's You think you know the Mad Max game?
• 55:14
  >> No, I'm thinking of Half-Life 2. >> Yeah, you didn't shoot things a lot in
• 55:17
  the Mad Max game. >> I actually liked Mad Max game. >> It was It was a good game.
• 55:22
  >> [laughter] >> I want Mad Max over Half-Life 3. Give me another one of them.
• 55:27
  >> I I I I agree with that, actually. >> Yeah. >> George Miller didn't like that game.
• 55:32
  >> I don't know why. >> It wasn't good because it wasn't It sort
• 55:35
  of fits his whole idea, like the movies um >> Well, they gave him all the material.
• 55:40
  >> Yeah, it's >> Sorry, he gave them all the material,
• 55:42
  and he just didn't like what they did with it, which is really interesting,
• 55:43
  which is why if you watch um uh Furiosa uh
• 55:49
  it's got Did the game come out before Fury Road even? Like >> definitely. >> Yeah, okay.
• 55:56
  >> Because all the stuff The game has stuff that's in the movies, but it's
• 55:59
  different. And I but I guess he just was like, "No, no, no, that's not That's not right."
• 56:03
  >> I just don't think he's into the games. >> I think
• 56:06
  Yeah, I don't know. Also, I don't know how well that game did. I really enjoyed
• 56:10
  it, and I would love to see a sequel to that. I [snorts] thought it was good. >> Mhm.
• 56:15
  >> It was a bit repetitive. Yeah. >> But not as repetitive as Half-Life 2.
• 56:20
  And I'm prepared to fight [laughter] people over this. >> Uh
• 56:25
  All right. Well, uh we'll see what HLX is. At some point we'll find out. >> Mhm.
• 56:30
  >> Uh presumably. But yeah, it's it's not Half-Life 3.
• 56:33
  People should just stop even thinking about it.
• 56:37
  Uh I have not seen um You can see everything yet. I have not had a chance to see it.
• 56:44
  >> I have found out when I will get to see I'll get to see it on the 12th of November.
• 56:49
  >> That's still a while. >> It's actually being released here now,
• 56:52
  but we're not getting it until the 12th. So, I'll be going to see that. Next week
• 56:56
  I'll be going to see Clayface. >> Oh, yeah.
• 57:02
  Yeah, reviews say that's fine. >> Yeah. This week I did see other mummy.
• 57:07
  >> Oh, yeah. How's that? >> Um that was okay. It wasn't It wasn't what I was expecting.
• 57:13
  >> Okay. >> But, it was good. I enjoyed it. And then, what else I saw? I saw Street
• 57:17
  Fighter. >> Oh, okay. Come on. Come on. >> Street Fighter. So, Street Fighter and
• 57:21
  The Mummy is just a bit of a horror movie. It's just, yeah.
• 57:24
  Not bad, but Street Fighter, that was good, but it could have been great. >> Okay.
• 57:31
  >> They did not lean into the camp enough. >> Oh, okay.
• 57:34
  >> Like, they were just towing the line. Like, there was some very campy bits. It
• 57:38
  was fun, but they just didn't quite commit to it for the entire thing.
• 57:42
  >> Like, took it too seriously? >> Oh, no. It was still funny. It was still
• 57:46
  But, they could have made it It was just a Yeah, just not quite
• 57:50
  there. Just missed it. But, they set themselves up for a sequel.
• 57:54
  I mean, it was still good. >> they have. >> Like, no. I mean, like, this is
• 57:59
  completely open. Like, it's >> Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I'm sure. Of course.
• 58:04
  Yeah, they're going to make more of these. >> Yeah. I Yeah, they They'd be crazy not to.
• 58:09
  >> Yeah. All right. So, you recommend >> I recommend seeing
• 58:12
  >> Street Fighter over The Mummy? >> Yes. Very, very different movies. I saw
• 58:17
  them back-to-back. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> And both movies, I had a private screening.
• 58:23
  >> Really? Oh, just you? >> Just me. >> Wow. >> I've actually convinced I don't actually
• 58:27
  have to pay to go to the movies. >> You just walk in there?
• 58:30
  >> Cuz whenever I go, I'll go like I'll sort of leave work a bit early to go at 4:30.
• 58:36
  And then, [clears throat] I just walk in. There's no one checking my ticket. There's no
• 58:41
  >> Yeah, I guess that if you're the only person there, then they can go, "Well,
• 58:45
  there he is, and he bought a ticket." Whereas, if you just walk in, they're
• 58:48
  going to be like, "Who the [ __ ] is that guy? There shouldn't be anybody here."
• 58:50
  >> Well, also, cuz it's like if they don't sell any tickets, do they bother even
• 58:54
  hitting play? Cuz I can't really walk out and complain that it's not showing.
• 58:59
  >> That's an interesting question. I don't know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I wanted
• 59:02
  to watch the movie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, we haven't sold any tickets for
• 59:06
  this one, so >> I mean, I guess I guess they would have to, right?
• 59:10
  Because what if people come late, and they're like, "Fuck it, I'll just go see the movie."
• 59:15
  >> Well, you still got to sit through half an hour of ads, so. There's
• 59:20
  They'll probably straight up, but whether they start the movie or not.
• 59:23
  I've actually had to walk out and go, "Hey, can you start the movie?" before,
• 59:26
  though, as well. >> Why? Cuz the ads were too long or
• 59:30
  >> No, no, it just didn't start. The ads went, all went through, and then just
• 59:34
  sat there in [laughter] the dark. >> Oh, okay. >> That was weird.
• 59:40
  >> You sure it wasn't a creative choice? >> I waited enough for it to make find out
• 59:44
  it wasn't a creative choice, yes. >> All right. Uh, on the topic of movies,
• 59:51
  um, the James Bond screen tests are happening this weekend.
• 59:57
  So, as we record this >> Do we know who the next Bond is?
• 1:00:01
  >> Uh, by the time you hear this podcast, they will have done them. And, uh, yeah.
• 1:00:06
  >> Do we know who's in the running? >> I think so. >> Is it still just speculation at the
• 1:00:11
  moment? >> Callum Turner, Jack O'Connell, and Jack Lowden are in the running.
• 1:00:17
  Uh, maybe more people. I'm not sure. I mean I don't think we know for sure, no.
• 1:00:23
  >> I'm just looking at the pictures of all of them, and this looks like they're
• 1:00:26
  going for a Bond that I don't want to see. >> Yeah? >> This looks like it's going to be a
• 1:00:31
  serious Bond again. >> Yeah, you're probably right.
• 1:00:35
  >> Yeah. We've had serious Bond, now we need fun Bond. >> Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  >> [snorts] >> Well, we'll find out soon enough, I guess.
• 1:00:46
  >> Come on, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, you've still got a chance.
• 1:00:49
  >> I don't think he does. I know I know I agree that that would be fun.
• 1:00:53
  >> Oh, while not at the movies, I did see something quite strange. >> Mhm.
• 1:00:57
  >> We're going to have the new, um, Marvel movie going up against
• 1:01:03
  Dune. That's weird. >> Dune 2. >> Yeah, Dune 2, yeah. Like they're a day apart.
• 1:01:09
  >> Yeah, they don't normally do that. We've got some Star Wars news. It's It's not a
• 1:01:12
  lot of Star Wars >> Is it good Star Wars news? >> Probably. It's probably for the best. Um
• 1:01:18
  >> Taika Waititi says his Star Wars movie is on ice. It's not happening anymore.
• 1:01:24
  >> I'm the sort of happy with that. I don't know what's happened with him.
• 1:01:29
  >> I So, there was a Reddit thread about about this. It was basically like, "What
• 1:01:32
  the [ __ ] happened to Taika Waititi?" And somebody said I I don't know if this is
• 1:01:37
  true. Speculation. [clears throat] He split from his uh wife
• 1:01:43
  who was his creative >> Maybe she was contributing a lot more than
• 1:01:48
  >> And And then somebody else said, again, this is all hearsay and speculation.
• 1:01:51
  Somebody said he's got a very big ego. >> I can actually see that as well. It
• 1:01:57
  really does seem that You can see it from the way he dresses
• 1:02:01
  now to when he How he dressed in the past. He seems
• 1:02:04
  >> Yeah. He's kind of crawled up his own ass a bit. Again, I don't know for sure.
• 1:02:09
  I've never met the guy. I don't know anything about it.
• 1:02:11
  >> I'm going to go see his new film, though, which is Clara and the Sun. >> Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Yeah, yeah. >> It does look good, but now he's really been sort of
• 1:02:22
  hit and miss, but more miss lately. >> More miss lately, yeah.
• 1:02:25
  >> Yeah. Like from Jojo and Thor Ragnarok to Well, what was
• 1:02:31
  >> Love and Thunder and um Oh, yeah. What else did he >> Blood and Thunder if that was
• 1:02:38
  his fault as such or maybe that was just a Marvel thing, because that movie
• 1:02:43
  didn't need to exist. >> it. I didn't hate it as much as everyone
• 1:02:46
  else did, but then I knew everyone already said it was going to be [ __ ] so I just
• 1:02:50
  >> Cuz that movie >> enjoyed it for what it was. >> If you just cut that out, it makes no
• 1:02:54
  difference to anything in that universe. >> Yeah, it was just like a And it it
• 1:02:59
  doesn't even fit with the tone of Thor >> No. >> now, cuz Thor got quite serious in the
• 1:03:06
  in Endgame. I think so. Yeah. But yeah, so his movie's not happening.
• 1:03:10
  He's He's joining Rian Johnson on the on the old pile of
• 1:03:15
  dead Star Wars directors. He's not dead, but you know what I mean. You know what
• 1:03:19
  I mean. The dead Star Wars movies. >> We at least
• 1:03:25
  He's admitted it now. Rian Johnson I think sat on his for a hell of a lot longer.
• 1:03:30
  >> [laughter] >> When everyone already knew it wasn't
• 1:03:33
  >> It's not happening, Rian. It's not happening. >> Right. That movie
• 1:03:37
  As soon as that Last Jedi Last Jedi came out, everyone knew your movie trilogy
• 1:03:42
  was never going to happen. >> It's too divisive. Let's say that.
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  >> Crap. We're not going to We don't need to talk about it anymore. We've done
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  enough of that. If you want to know what we thought about The Last Jedi, go to
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  multiplegasm.com. Go to the topics. Scroll down. We said a lot about it over the years.
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  >> A lot. >> [gasps] >> We said so much about it that people
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  wrote in and said, "Please stop talking about it."
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  >> We couldn't help ourselves. It affected our lives so much. >> [laughter]
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  >> But in saying that, I think for this week, if you do want to go our back
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  catalog is still there. You can go still go and view it. But if you also want to
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  listen to some other stuff like us talking a little bit more after we
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  finish the show, the after party, you can do that. The fun doesn't need to stop now.
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  >> How do they do that? >> You just need to go to forward No, not
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  forward slash. You do need to get to a forward slash at some point.
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  >> There is a forward slash in the URL. >> First you need to go to multiplegasm.com
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  and then you do the forward slash patreon. And that's where you can follow us for
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  as little as Well, you can follow us for free, but for as little as $1 a week,
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  you get the show a little bit early. For $5 one I want I want a weekly, but five months.
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  >> I can change it. >> For as little as $5 a month, you get the
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  after party. And don't forget, you can also get access to the Discord or even
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  just message us anywhere you want. Let us know what you want and I'm prepared
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  to do anything. >> There you go. >> Yeah. >> So, join us in the after party. This
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  week I've got What have I got for you? Oh, I've got some listener submitted content.
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  >> listener submitted content. >> And then as I said earlier in the show,
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  I've got a a vibe-coded game I want to talk about just a little bit. And then, uh
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  and we've got kick of the week, all right, which is the segment where Luke
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  picks the best person who died. Yes. Person or thing this week.
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  >> this This one might be a little tough, but we'll see. But, anyway, talk to you
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  all next week. Bye.