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Remember Who You Are · Divine Dialogue

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome, listeners, to the Divine Dialogue Podcast, where we dig deeper into the trove of wisdom and guidance stories have to offer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever watched a movie and felt moved?
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  SPEAKER_00: Felt called to make a change or reflect more deeply on your own life?
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  SPEAKER_00: If so, this podcast has a lot to offer you.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you're new here, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've just stumbled upon episode three of the Lion King series.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do release episodes each Friday at 9 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: Arizona time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you like what you listen to, please subscribe and share and like, and I will go ahead and give a just brief recap of where we left off last week.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: So in our last episode, I had talked about Simba's stargazing moment in his reunion with Nala.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: We saw some of the narrow gaps where Divinity could reach in and essentially reset Simba's operating mode.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still using computer analogies here in this series.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: But please definitely, if you if you're new here, please check out episodes one and two that have already been posted for this Lion King series.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: And there's also a Harry Potter and Balto series to check out as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, listeners, we are going to, like I said, more or less pick up where I left off last episode.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Simba essentially had a lovely reunion with Nala that turned pretty sharp when Truth dared to enter.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: So he's feeling pretty angry, withdrawn, and then he begins pacing on the open plains under the stars.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Simba starts talking to himself, and Nala's voice of return is essentially bumping up against the soul violence program that we discussed in episode one, which was where his guilt system was built by Scar.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we see Simba yell at the sky, and then he blames himself.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Shortly after, he hears Rafiki singing in a nearby tree.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: Rafiki becomes a pest who won't leave Simba alone, and as Simba walks away, he calls him Mufasa's boy and states that his father is still alive.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: This, of course, gets Simba's undivided attention.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: So he does follow Rafiki through dense brush, and he ends up at a small pool of water where Rafiki tells him to look.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Simba is confused and says, That's not my father.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's just my reflection.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Rafiki tells him to look harder.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: We see Simba's reflection change to Mufasa's, and then the skies open up into this beautiful and climactic remember who you are segment.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Mufasa essentially tells Simba that he's forgotten who he is, and as well as his father, and that he must return.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, divine listeners, like I said, this is definitely the climactic part of the movie, and it is definitely one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty high up there with the mirror of Ira said that I talked about in the Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone series.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because I really do believe that at the core of the soul meaning of this scene is or lies the answer to the terrible violence that Scar did to Baby Simba in episode one, and that answer is remember and return.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I said what Scar did was so terrible, because he literally tells Simba that return was not an option.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: He said, quote, run away and never return, which left young Simba with all this guilt and grief, with absolutely zero way to heal and come back.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: And Mufasa offers Simba the truth.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very important to note that it's not another program.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: That would just be an overlay, which we talked about, how we're pretty susceptible to overlays of programs, both negative and positive, because it's still external guidance, it's still external influence.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: But Mufasa speaks to what's underneath the program, which is what makes it so divine.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't even say anything like Scar lied to you.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't mention Scar at all.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: He simply invites Simba to return to himself, which is the only medicine that would have lasting impact.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Mufasa could have installed a more loving fatherly program.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: He could have said, you know, just be more positive over this guilt.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: But what he offers Simba is much more loving, lasting, and connected to Simba's own soul, his own return.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: And Nala essentially had half of Simba's puzzle for him, which was to return, but he needed to remember first.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: And we've been talking about energy a lot in most episodes here.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I would kind of say that where this comes together for him and is a huge turning point in the story is the remembering, which is the feminine.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's the stillness and the reflection and the just the guidance and the essentially leading you back to yourself.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's remembering.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: And returning would be the masculine.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: So remembering is the state of stillness and the where wisdom can spring up and guide you.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then returning would be the action taken from that stillness.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: So remembering is feminine, returning as masculine.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, Simba was feeling a little bit pulled by Nala.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mentioned this in the last episode, and he could have returned just to impress her, but had he done that, he would have never been able to confront the guilt program.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's why this scene is so incredibly important.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we see before Rafiki gets him to the pool of water, Simba's obviously wrestling because he knows that something Nala said matters, but it conflicts with what he's been running on since he last saw Scar all those years ago in the gorge, because Simba took to heart the runaway and never return.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: He never returned from the guilt program until this moment in the movie.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Nala was being very matter-of-fact, she was practical, she was truthful, and she didn't know the damage that had been done to his soul.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: But Mufasa, now being, you know, essentially the great king of the past that looks down on Simba from the heavens, understands.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's, I love that we get a beautiful, basically, continuation and connection back to the scene where they were under the stars when they were playing together after Mufasa had essentially disciplined Simba for going to the elephant graveyard.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: He tells him, Whenever you feel alone, just remember that those kings will always be there to guide you, and so will I.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: And Mufasa, you know, had already planted that seed in Simba to remember long ago for moments like this.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now, of course, the trauma in the gorge overshadowed that, especially because Mufasa is the one who told him this, and then Simba feels like it's his fault that Mufasa died.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that kind of gets forgotten because of the trauma, which is, you know, a very typical, I'm sure we can relate as humans to that a response.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like you might have very loving guidance and very, you know, attuned parents or attuned figures in your life, but there can be traumatic events that can make you absolutely sideline those divine, you know, loving guidance instructions because trauma has a way of doing that to us.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, essentially Mufasa's voice was not the last one that Simba heard before he left the pride lands, which was like his home base, his sanctuary, his safety.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was Scar's voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because it was next to his dead father, you know, it was exceptionally potent in its power, both over a young mind and him being so susceptible to believing it was his fault.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: So in soul language, this is why remember who you are is so is is his medicine, because Scar wanted him to live with this program and never come back from it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: But Mufasa doesn't tell Simba to listen to him over Scar.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: He tells him, Remember who you are.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's guiding him back to himself, and that's really the most loving and guiding thing you can do for someone.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Simba also says something very crucial in this scene.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: He says, How can I go back?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not who I used to be.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Mufasa answers the same, remember who you are.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Simba's not who he used to be, but he used to be the cub curious about the shadow.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: He used to be the cub who loved to play without the guilt program, and the Hakuna Matata program over that was necessary for a time because he was young, but now he's old enough to remember.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he can go back precisely because he's not who he used to be when he left.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's terrified that he's still young Simba in two ways, which is being too vulnerable and being too guilty, because his mind is still operating in cub mode, not full grown lion mode.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: He even panics at the end when Mufasa lets the skies rest and asks not to be left, because he was left and it was tragic.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, little Simba is still terrified, and you know, he does get over this pretty quickly.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, real life isn't like that.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: I wish it was.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's taken me years to return from some of my programs and to remember who I was in different situations, and I feel like it's a lifetime, honestly, of remembering who you are.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's just we tend to go deeper and we remember faster as time goes by.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think it has to take as long as it sometimes does, but I would say it does take longer than it does for James Earl Jones' voice to completely stop reverberating in the clouds.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't exactly work like that.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: I do wish it did, but in my experience that hasn't been the case.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: But regardless of time, you know, returning to himself was the only way back from the damage that was done.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't rely on Nala to guide him because his desire for her would have led.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't rely on Timon and Pumba to guide him, because his desire to stay safe and sheltered from the world would have led.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't even rely on Rafiki, who is the sage character essentially in the story, because it still would have been external guidance, even if it's correct, which I think is crucial because a lot of us get stuck on, you know, right and wrong, and we can hear something like external, you know, people often, if we go to people, they'll give us external advice and they'll say, you know, do this.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we know that it's practical advice and it's good advice, but it's not embodied advice.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's not and I'm not saying that everything has to come from you exactly, like you can be inspired by people, but it has to resonate with you.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: It has to land in your bones, essentially, in your soul and your body.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because if it doesn't, then it can just be like, well, I'm following this because it makes sense to follow this, and I know that it's good to follow this, but if it's not an embodied practice, if it's not a you know, stepped fully stepped into truth, then it probably won't last, honestly, because I think that trauma has a way of just reverberating on a on a more base level than you know, common sense practical advice does.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's very short-lived unless it's embodied.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why, you know, I've talked about body first regulation.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he has to feel that inner connection inside, and then his mind relaxes.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like we don't really see him struggle too much more with this.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now we do see a little bit, which we'll get into in the finale of the series here, how Simba's mind is arrested briefly when Scar pushes, what I would say is essentially the emergency button on that program, but it's incredibly short-lived, way shorter than the amount of time that he spent in the program, you know, initially.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the important really the the really important thing to see here is that Simba wobbles.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I talked about that in the last episode of the Harry Potter series in our Mirror of Ira said part two finale, is you know, you're going to wobble.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's inevitable.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Your divine spark, though, fortunately, doesn't expect perfection, it only requires return.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of the, you know, grace that I think tapping into your divinity is always there for you.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Mufasa's telling Simba, remembering who you are is essentially your raw power.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's your feminine power.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: And returning to the kingdom, returning to Pride Rock, would be the masculine action taken from that power.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And with that, I will go ahead and get us into the personal mirror here.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: So when I wrote this episode, Divine Listeners, I really didn't have any idea what I was going to talk about in this personal mirror, but something came to me as I was writing the soul meaning, and it was really how much I wish someone had done this for me when I was young.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've talked about before how, you know, my dad was very much like Scar, essentially blaming me for his emotional states and for things beyond my control.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: But my mom, and this is who this is gonna be about in this episode, you know, rather than redirecting me back to myself, she encouraged me to rely on her.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to basically touch on and get into, and why I think it's so crucial that Mufasa didn't just replace Scar's program with his own.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: And essentially, in my timeline, so my parents got divorced when I was 11, and my mom essentially became the other side of the polarity to my dad.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was the overtly abusive one, and she was the refuge in a lot of cases.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I can remember in high school, you know, my anxiety really took off in my teens and then my early 20s, especially.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I would call her when I was in high school between classes because I'd have anxiety attacks.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd essentially ask her if I was going to be okay.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: And she said I would be.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it was something about hearing her voice say that, that it became like a reliance on her voice and her assurance to calm me.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when I got older, essentially when I started having my romantic relationships, it translated to romantic partners.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like I needed their reassurance and their voices because I was taught to externalize my safety to others.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I had talked about this, like how it's not on purpose, it's inadvertently, you know, transposed onto kids, but it's like that it teaches you to externalize things that should be found within.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I was never told, remember who you are.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, looking back now at the ripe old age of 36, I understand why my mother couldn't do that because she never did it for herself.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, to her, she was always an extension of someone else.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: She always talked about herself in relation to other people.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Jess's mom, I'm so-and-so's sister, so-and-so's wife, so-and-so's friend.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: And she never discovered really who she was without all of those relational points, which is tragic.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And we're all trained to do this.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we some of us make it people, but you can make your job your identity, money, material possessions, your religion, like a source of safety and guidance, but they're really not.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: It all comes back to you.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: It all starts by remembering who you are.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I even realized this very recently with practicing regulation and literally remember, remembering who I am consciously while I do it, that I would rather be, you know, in touch and centered in my spirit everywhere than in ego anywhere.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: And this actually came to me while I was at work because I was extremely regulated.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, this is better than when I was at home dysregulated, you know, doing something on my own time with my own free will to do whatever I wanted to do.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because being dysregulated and being disconnected from your inner divinity is terrible no matter where it happens.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: But being in touch with that inner divinity can make anywhere feel really good.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Even things that you wouldn't think are, you know, places that you would feel good, you can.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just surprised when I was sitting at work that I was like, wow, you know, I'd rather feel like this, regulated at work, than be at home dysregulated.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that really proves to me that it's really not the environment, it's more your state.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I do want to add a caveat to this, and there's lots of nuances and discernments that you're gonna find in my podcast.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: If you listen for them, you'll hear them.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I I'm not trying to dismiss or disregard, you know, malevolent energy that can be in environments that are purposefully directed at certain people.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: That is real, and that makes remaining in your center even harder because it can be a constant onslaught.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: It can be like, well, gee, you know, because the world can have certain prejudices and certain, you know, cultures can have certain stances towards certain people without even knowing them individually.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like certain people face a lot more resistance from the world, and I would say a lot more obstacles to remaining connected to their soul and their inner divinity.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you feel like, you know, if the world, like in Simba's case, he had one scar character, someone might have five, ten, fifteen, twenty scar characters that are constantly trying to put programs over their divinity.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that can be a very difficult thing to navigate because you have to really be aware of who you really are, you have to remember a lot more often.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I do think that kind of the miracle of divinity, though, is it will help you in proportion to your struggle.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: I really think that if if you struggle more because of the way the world is structured, it will give you almost like a deeper well of peace.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: It gives you enough that you can return if you start to tap into it, which I think is so loving.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I say the divine feminine energy to me is just in an extremely loving energy.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: It knows or seems to know like where you've most deeply forgotten.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: And in those places, it offers the deepest compassion to match the deepest forgetting, I would say.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of just came to me as I was talking.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't actually write that out, but that's been my experience is like the more I forget, the more compassion, the more love, the more essentially space I get to return.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, it can feel, even if it's not constricting, if it's deep forgetting, I feel like that field of energy just opens more space for you to remember.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: It opens more, it opens up more for you to take the opportunity to remember.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I wouldn't pretend to know what some people's day-to-day experiences are.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I only have my experiences.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: I can take things from my experiences and relate to other people, but at the end of the day, like I have mine and they have theirs.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that some people have it easier than me and some people have it harder than me.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think it's very crucial, and I think it's something in spiritual in spirituality that gets kind of bypassed and minimized is it's just like, and that's where you'll hear, you know, oh, just be positive, just stay open, just you know, and they don't acknowledge the I guess degrees of difficulty that certain people would have.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's a very one-size-fits-all, a very, you know, this is the path.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like what's so miraculous about the divine feminine is it does operate individual to individual.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: My path back to remembering might not be your path back to remembering.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: I have someone deeply close in my life that is one of the most precious connections that I have ever had and probably will ever have.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we have long conversations like this all the time.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: And she told me something that I thought was a brilliant image, so I want to share it here.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: That, you know, in terms of remembering who you are, it can rather feel like, you know, let's say you're in a mall and you need to get to the food court in the mall, and you're on the second level and the food court's on the first level.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the directions for you to get to the food court are going to be different if you're coming from the second level to the first level, versus if you're someone on the first level and you need to get to the food court.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: It depends on your position in the mall.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the food court is the goal for everybody, which the food court would be remembering who you are.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: But depending on where you start your journey, that is going to look very different.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Someone might get told instructions like, oh, you're gonna pass this department store, like, oh, you're gonna pass the gap.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And someone else might be told, oh, you're gonna pass Macy's or JCPenney's, or you know, it could it depends.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that we tend to think that the path is always the same, you know, like, oh, just do this and you'll find your way back, but it doesn't account for.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Your unique placement, and your unique placement needs specific direction, and the only way you're gonna find that is by going within yourself because you know your experiences and you know your struggles and your tender points, and I really think so does this divine spark that I believe is in all of us, and so the instructions for you might be different than someone else's, but you're both trying to get to the food court, you're both trying to get to remembrance.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: And in Simba's case, you know, he needed to, I think, hear from his father because a part of him knew that his father obviously loved him very much, but because the last voice he heard was Scars and it was such a mean-spirited, you know, evil voice, he needed to, he needed to see it come through his father.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we see this in Balto as well.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like Balto needed a wolf to show up as a symbol of strength for him because he had been taught to disregard the wolf.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so it showed up in a powerful position to show him, no, this is part of you too.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is part of your energy, this is part of your remembrance.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And for Simba, his father was there to essentially show up and say, I never left you.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like this, this is part of your remembrance.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: You need to see me and hear me, that I've been watching over you all these years, that I love you.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he doesn't say all that to him, but it's conveyed in the energy.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's conveyed in the scene, like that Simba needed to essentially get that message from his father because his uncle had completely poisoned his mind on what his responsibility was, which was absolutely nothing.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he needed his father to show up to, you know, tell him that it was not, you know, it that you need to remember because Scar has made you forget.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if you remember, those things will settle.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like the guilt program is gonna tell you the same thing over and over and over.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna recycle the same thing, but the remembering is a living present moment experience, and so it has a way of detangling and loosening knots when you return.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like things that can feel like an endless maze, suddenly you can see the clearing, you can see the way out.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very hard to put this into words because it's it's more of an experience of how you feel than it is something that can be described with language, because I think this, you know, whatever you want to call it, this power, this force, this energy is kind of beyond words in a lot of ways.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm trying to describe it in words, but you know, that's been my experience.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for all of us, remembering who we are is, you know, a different experience.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not always the same.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's real, it's very, very important to remember that and to, you know, remember who we are.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, what I can say is again, like you're not your programming.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: No matter how deep it runs, no matter even how lovingly intentioned it was installed within you, you know, that the phrase of the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: If someone still externalizes your compass, even if it's well intentioned and it's positive, that can still get you just as lost versus something that is malevolent.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, obviously, we we prefer the good intentions, but the divine way, like essentially the third way, you could say, is back to yourself.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're not encouraged to return and remember who you are, it just has a way of making life so much harder and more painful, which I can speak from experience.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my twenties and my teens, but pretty much all of my 20s, I was lost.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was lost in programs, I was lost in trauma, you know, and I didn't start to heal until I returned to myself.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I absolutely love this scene because this is where we really see Simba descend into the, you know, the shadow, essentially, the shadow of the guilt program, and then he takes the the illumination from returning to himself and remembering who he is, and then now he's ready to bring that remembrance and that vitality back to essentially a deadened kingdom because a you know dead inside king is currently ruling it, so it needs to be revitalized, it needs to be rejuvenated back to where it was, just like Simba needed to be.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a very beautiful inner to outer reflection.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: And with that, divine listeners, I will go ahead and get into the divine questions for today.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so today I have three questions for you, divine listeners.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Where in your life have you forgotten most deeply who you are?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: What tends to pull you under into the program?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And have you ever felt the healing potential of returning?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I'm gonna kind of add to my personal mirror to answer this in general here.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go with the first question: where in my life have I forgotten most deeply?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: At this point in my life, and this has been a relatively recent healing journey for me, but I used to cling desperately to right fighting, um, to trying to do the right thing, to, you know, living, being a good person, essentially, making the right decisions, having my ducks in a row.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Essentially a very organized, structured, but deeply pressure-filled masculine approach.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I have been very surprised, which I guess I shouldn't be with how much I talk about this energy that I think is incredibly loving, but I've experienced very recently that when I stop fighting for the right thing, like, because it's essentially not my job to right every wrong, I'm not exactly sure where I got that program from, probably from being raised in a pretty religious, you know, basically reward good behavior, punish bad behavior, a very black and white, very dualistic family structure.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I have realized through slowly letting go of that, that everything looks different to me.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and because I was essentially like one of my biggest pitfalls was trying to get people to acknowledge wrongdoings or acknowledge things that weren't okay.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it almost felt like I was just pounding on a door that wasn't going to open for me.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the more I pounded on the door, the more tired I got, and the more, you know, in despair I would get because I'm like, you know, nothing's fair and no one sees and no one acknowledges.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: But it was essentially an experience of like seeing myself pounding on a door and then feeling that energy behind me almost saying, Jess, I see what you're pounding on the door about.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to know I see it too.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, you know, something that's going unnoticed, but you don't have to fight it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because essentially, I would get into the trap of almost my body would become an archival system or a damage report of the things that were going on.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, oh, don't you see what's going on?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, look at the stress, look at the look at the getting sick, because you know, when you get worked up, your immune system's compromised.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, look at all the results essentially of this wrongdoing.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you see the the pain here and the trauma here and the, you know, wrong.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't you see it in my lived experience?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, people or institutions or systems are not going to see it just because you wear it, like all your scars for people to see.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I almost feel like Scar's name is on purpose in that way.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like he is the he is the scar in Simba's life, but he's never going to acknowledge it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Even though Simba took in that program and lived it out.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: He, you know, when he comes back, he denies all wrongdoing.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, things like that.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you can't let yourself get eclipsed by the, you know, malevolent energy or the energy that doesn't look out for your best interest.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, is that you can still look out for your best interest.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's kind of mind-blowingly astonishing to me how simple that roadback is.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've talked a lot about this, like basic things that you can do to return to yourself and remember who you are.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I talked about this in the Balto series, like just what you can do in the moment.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you start to feel like you're spiraling, you can ask yourself, what do you need to feel nourished, to feel loved, to remember that you are so much bigger than this program or than this system or than this experience.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then it can be something as simple as, well, I'd like to go for a walk in my favorite park, or I would like to eat this for dinner, or I would like to, you know, hang out with this person, or I would like to play this game.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't played this game in a while.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it can be so many things that you can essentially redirect that energy of trying to get the external environment to shift.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can return it to yourself.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then the external environment does shift around you.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I said, it's it's magical when you are aware enough to look for it.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's definitely something I have experienced.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say that is the healing potential of returning that you can feel is it will show up in the outside world around you when you redirect back to yourself.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: But when you leave yourself, even for the quote right reason, you still experience a lot of pain and suffering.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very heartbreaking to watch when you see someone going through that or when you yourself are going through that.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess I would go ahead and close with this for episode three of the Lion King series is if you can just remember to pause and return to yourself and remember who you are, which is, you know, this divine being that's experiencing life in a physical body, and that, you know, you are a creative force and you have a lot of power when it is positioned in a way that can nourish you and fulfill you rather than being, you know, redirected to drain you.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that's the crucial lesson to take from this point in the Lion King here.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: And with that, we only have one episode left to go for Lion King.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just be four episodes, and my Kingdom Hearts episode will air the Thursday before the last episode of Lion King.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: So next Thursday and Friday, you there will be two episodes, and then we will be getting into essentially because we'll be closing out September there.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we will be getting into the Halloween season in October, and I do have a very exciting thread actually that I'm going to lead into, but there's going to be essentially an episode that I cover just one movie before we get into the next movie in October, because it's it was actually not really planned.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of diverted from course a little bit, and that's something I've really enjoyed too about this podcast is I had my map pretty much laid out for all of 2026, but I just had something come to me that I'm like, you know, I think this would be a nice little detour.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the nice thing about the feminine too, is you know, we're kind of trained to be like, you know, structure, structure, structure, and stick to the plan and you know, do what you were gonna do.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, there's nothing wrong with having a plan and a loose structure.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: It helps to kind of guide the, you know, the journey, but there's going to be opportunities.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I mentioned this in the Harry Potter uh seeker episode where you might see multiple golden snitches and you can follow different paths, but they can all lead to where you want to go.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Not one, it's not just one path to get to your destination.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I've learned that in real time, just you know, thinking about content for this podcast, and I'm already employing it in a few weeks here with basically a movie detour.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna spend one week on.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: So just one episode that will lead into essentially the Halloween season, and then yeah, I will give more information next week on what to expect since we will be wrapping up Lion King in more detail here.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: But until next time, Divine Listeners, I encourage you to return to yourself, remember who you are, and just know that the program is not who you are.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's just who you think you are.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And with that, I will see you next Friday.