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I Am All In…Again: The Real Life Rory (Season 3 E15 “Face-Off”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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Speaker 2: Oh let's just you, h. I am all in again
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Speaker 2: with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
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Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcasts one of
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Speaker 1: them productions. iHeart radio Media. iHeart Podcasts. We are going
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Speaker 1: to break down episode fifteen, Season three, face Off, And
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Speaker 1: you know, I have some very strong opinions about this
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Speaker 1: show because when I was watching it, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: rip my own face off. Because I did. I'll get
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Speaker 1: into it with lil We have a very special guest.
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Speaker 1: Lily Janek is here. She's an esteem theater critic for
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Speaker 1: the San Francisco Chronicle since twenty sixteen. Michigan native, her
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Speaker 1: childhood also took her to Tennessee in Texas. She has
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Speaker 1: a BA in Theater Studies from Yale and an MA
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Speaker 1: in drama from San Francisco State. She served on the
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Speaker 1: jury for the twenty twenty four Pulitzer Prize in Drama.
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Speaker 1: And here's a little excerpt from her article. She wrote
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Speaker 1: a very insightful, very telling article in the Chronicle about
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Speaker 1: the lasting appeal of Gilmore Girls, and I found it
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Speaker 1: to be actually quite good, maybe one of the better
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Speaker 1: articles I've read on the subject. And I quote, We're
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Speaker 1: not safe, but Gilmore Girls, Oliver's a fantasy where we
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Speaker 1: might be in stars Hollow. A single mother can lavish
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Speaker 1: her daughter with gifts and the non problems of quirky
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Speaker 1: munchkin cute townspeople can the town support to troubadours, drive
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Speaker 1: hole plot threads in our post pandemic era and an
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Speaker 1: impossible housing market, we might be forced to live with
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Speaker 1: our parents. Think Gilmore Girls, we want to. And that's
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Speaker 1: the series real love story. Lily, how dare you? Luke
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Speaker 1: and Laurreli dominates it rules for you to point out
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Speaker 1: the obvious, it is just so offensive to me. I'm Scott,
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Speaker 1: but I you know, kudos to you, because that really
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Speaker 1: is the appeal of the show. And I thought I
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Speaker 1: won't get into a little more detail of the article.
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Speaker 1: But the you know, with the way that that Larelin
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Speaker 1: and Rory shape shift from best friends to mother daughter
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Speaker 1: back and forth. Is it dynamic that I that I
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Speaker 1: always found fascinating.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we see it right here in this episode
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Speaker 2: and we.
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Speaker 1: Do we doo we too. But before we, you know,
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Speaker 1: really get into the episode, and you know, Lily wrote
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Speaker 1: an article. The article, I'm referring to in the chronicle
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Speaker 1: is why Gilmore Girls still works twenty five years later,
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Speaker 1: and everybody should should download it and read it. It's
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Speaker 1: it's it's a very very it's a brief article, but
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Speaker 1: very insightful. It's very compact before we get into the episode.
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Speaker 1: What inspired you to write the article?
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I am one of those nerds who looked
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Speaker 2: up when Gilmore Girls premiered and wondered what its next
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Speaker 2: big anniversary would be. And this was more than a
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Speaker 2: year ago, and I realized that October would be the
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Speaker 2: twenty fifth anniversary, and so I started planning months in
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Speaker 2: advance and rewatched season after season. So this was way
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Speaker 2: more preparation than I do for a lot of my stories.
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Speaker 1: Well, enjoyed reading it. Like I said, everybody should download
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Speaker 1: it and read it. Really has some terrific insights into
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Speaker 1: the lasting appeal of the show. All right, here's the
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Speaker 1: synopsis for this episode, which aired February eighteen, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and three. Rory awkwardly finds out Deane is dating someone
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Speaker 1: new at the Big Stars Hollow Hockey game for the
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Speaker 1: regional finals, of which the Stars Hollow Minutemen have not
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Speaker 1: been participants in since forty years, it's been forty three years,
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Speaker 1: something like that. Jess continues to be unattentive, predictably to
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Speaker 1: his relationship with Rory. No idea why she's tolerating this.
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Speaker 1: This is one thing I want to get into you
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Speaker 1: with why she would tolerate this. For five seconds, Lane
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Speaker 1: comes up with a new plan to date Dave and
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Speaker 1: Tricks is in town and torments Emily until she finds
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Speaker 1: out a little more information about her than she bargained for.
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Speaker 1: Directed by Kenny Ortega, written by John Stevens. All Right,
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Speaker 1: Taylor's having the dozy klan at the independence end. You
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Speaker 1: know this, this storyline did not have a huge amount
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Speaker 1: of payoff in my opinion, they introduced it, it had
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Speaker 1: great potential, but then you know his brother crumpled up
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Speaker 1: the folder or the or the piece of paper that
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Speaker 1: that plans for the day, and I disagree.
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Speaker 2: I thought. I found it so satisfying to see someone
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Speaker 2: talk down to Taylor in a way that he could
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Speaker 2: not refute, and so succinctly and devastatingly just to see
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Speaker 2: laur life kind of went FROs and smile as she's
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Speaker 2: watching all this. It's delicious for me.
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Speaker 1: That's Fair and his brother crumpled up the paper, So
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Speaker 1: we don't need a tour of stars Hollow. We grew
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Speaker 1: up here, Taylor. We're just we'll see at the hockey game.
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Speaker 1: I'm taking a nap. Then we have Laane, Young Chew
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Speaker 1: and Rory go the hockey game. Young Chew is on
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Speaker 1: the phone the whole time with his girlfriend and uh
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Speaker 1: and Dave Galski is with the band with Brian and
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Speaker 1: with Zach playing religious songs for missus Kim's guests. And
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Speaker 1: we see Dave get a little jelly, little little jealous there,
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Speaker 1: a little curious what's going on in the hockey game.
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Speaker 1: Lindsey Rory Lane run into each other at the hockey game,
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Speaker 1: and it's awkward. The reason Rory's at the hockey game
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Speaker 1: is because Jess said he was going to call, and
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Speaker 1: I guess that was a Friday night after he got
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Speaker 1: off work, and he never called. And then he he
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Speaker 1: did the same. He didn't even bother calling her on
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Speaker 1: a Saturday night. And Rory's getting a little fed up, like, hey, pal,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know have a plan, you know you
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Speaker 1: just can't And then and then he and then later
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Speaker 1: in the episode, he just shows up at the door
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Speaker 1: seven thirty on a Saturday night. Laura I kind of
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Speaker 1: reads them the riot Act a little bit. I don't
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Speaker 1: know why even Laura is tolerating this. I don't know
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Speaker 1: why she's but she's giving you know, Lily, she's giving
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Speaker 1: Rory some some rope, right, She's got to figure it
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Speaker 1: out for herself, right.
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Speaker 2: She's letting her daughter make make mistakes if she needs to,
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Speaker 2: and she figures that the situation overall is safe enough
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Speaker 2: that Rory cand make her own decisions right. And that's
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Speaker 2: one of the great waves that Laura, I parents.
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Speaker 1: Dean, and Rory talk after the loss. It's the awkward,
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Speaker 1: but it's kind of nice. And wasn't Deane a breath
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Speaker 1: of fresh air in this episode?
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Speaker 2: You really see the good side of Dean in this episode.
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Speaker 2: He's not being possessive. He's not like trying to he's
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Speaker 2: not overtly trying to make Rory jealous that hard like
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Speaker 2: he does in some other episodes. He's just playing it cool. Yep.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how I was going to tell you
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Speaker 2: about Lindsay, but here she is, Hey, how are things?
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Speaker 2: That's Jess? It was It was really Diana at its best, and.
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Speaker 1: That question really leveled her, like how's how's just doing?
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Speaker 1: How you guys doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Not great?
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Speaker 2: And so that's when she has to go out and
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Speaker 2: make that angry phone call.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, good phone call. She is showing the last
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Speaker 1: couple of episodes, uh some some some very unique comedy skills.
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Speaker 1: I find her to be uh quite good at comedy.
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Speaker 2: Uh alexis uh she's kind of adorable in the same
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Speaker 2: way that Audrey Hepburn is adorable. And it's not just
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Speaker 2: like kind of the similar looks, but you almost want
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Speaker 2: to take care of them even as they're making you laugh.
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Speaker 1: Right, And there's a smoothness to the delivery. There's you
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Speaker 1: don't you never really see Alexis acting right, It's she
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Speaker 1: just sort of delivers the line when it needs to
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Speaker 1: be delivered. Yeah, you're right, you do you want to
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Speaker 1: you want to put her in your pocket and take
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Speaker 1: her home, take care of her all right. Meeting your
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Speaker 1: exes and uh new significant other is is always hard, Lily,
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Speaker 1: how do you think uh Rory handled it? M.
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Speaker 2: I think this is something everyone has to do for
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Speaker 2: the first time at some point in their lives. You
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Speaker 2: have to realize that your ex's lives are going to
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Speaker 2: go on without you. You're not going to be the
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Speaker 2: center of their universe forever just because you dated once.
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Speaker 2: And it's a real coming of age moment. You have
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Speaker 2: to learn you're not the center of the universe. And
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit laughable the way Rory's kind of
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Speaker 2: pouting in the bleachers and Lane's repeatedly checking in on her,
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, she deals with it better
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Speaker 2: than I think a lot of us would. She rises
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Speaker 2: to the occasion when she has her face to face
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Speaker 2: with Dean and she I think it gives her a
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Speaker 2: new perspective on Jess. So yeah, she did pretty well.
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Speaker 1: What do you I think Jess is not looking so good.
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Speaker 1: I think Jess is not an option anymore. I wanted
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Speaker 1: her to tell him to stick his tickets where the
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Speaker 1: sundown shine or the distillers and walk away.
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Speaker 2: I hear you. But I think one of the things
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Speaker 2: we love about Rory and LOURAI over and over again
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Speaker 2: is that when after someone messes up, if they try
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Speaker 2: to correct their mistake and do something good, Rory and
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Speaker 2: LAURAAI almost always instantly forgive and that mercy that they have,
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Speaker 2: that wanting to believe the best in people is such
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Speaker 2: an appeal of the show.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so most.
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Speaker 2: Of us would be like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I was hoping she
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Speaker 1: would do.
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Speaker 2: But it's this bad boy good boy thing that the
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Speaker 2: show does so well and that so many teenage girls
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Speaker 2: have to kind of go through this question of why
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Speaker 2: am I so attracted to this mysterious bad boy who
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Speaker 2: treats me kind of poorly when there's this very sweet
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Speaker 2: option over here. It's just an eternal plotline that works
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Speaker 2: so well, and even if you wish Rory would make
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Speaker 2: a different decision, it gives the show such wonderful tension
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Speaker 2: and drama.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm. And staying on that topic, the Rory Dean,
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Speaker 1: Jess Troika. He doesn't call, he never calls. She's waiting around,
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Speaker 1: she goes to hockey game. She's comparing Dean and Jess
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Speaker 1: in her mind. Ah, in the conversation ship with LAURAAI
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Speaker 1: on her on that Walk and Talk, you know, Dean
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Speaker 1: would call, he'd say when he's gonna call, and then
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Speaker 1: he called.
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Speaker 2: He was a good first boyfriend, just like LAURAAI said.
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Speaker 2: And I love how the Walk and Talk goes through
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Speaker 2: the toilet paper forest.
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Speaker 3: That that is?
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Speaker 1: That was?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 1: What was that? Were they putting it up or taking
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Speaker 1: it down?
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Speaker 2: They were taking it down, but the two of them
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Speaker 2: walked right through it, almost like it was a little
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Speaker 2: winter wonderland.
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Speaker 1: It was hilarious. H and Lorlai calls home Saturday night
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Speaker 1: in surprised when Rory picks up. She continues to wait
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Speaker 1: for Jess.
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Speaker 2: And this is where we see that great Alexis comic
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Speaker 2: delivery that you were just describing. She starts out so
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Speaker 2: solid and then just in a few beats of dialogue,
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Speaker 2: she allows herself to get totally pepped up by what
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Speaker 2: her mom says and gets on that rhythm and then
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Speaker 2: is right out the tour right wonderful transformation to watch
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Speaker 2: in real time. M H.
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Speaker 1: And then just comes over and has that tense, little,
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Speaker 1: very very disrespectful and rude conversation with LORELEI. This guy,
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Speaker 1: I tell you, my mother would have smacked him fifty
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Speaker 1: times for just his tone. I just I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: anybody taking that.
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Speaker 2: I don't advocate violence, but that kid needs a beating man.
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Speaker 1: Nothing I just said, smack, just fifty smacks. Not a
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Speaker 1: big deal there. And then Rory makes that leaves that
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Speaker 1: very funny message on after the game on Luke's answering.
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Speaker 2: Machine, and the little tagline at the end, by the way,
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Speaker 2: this is no it is for justice. So a horrible
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Speaker 2: and it's it's a perfect understanding of that character because
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Speaker 2: Rory really can't get too mad at anyone. He still
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Speaker 2: has to be polite and sweet at the very end.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it. A very edgy
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Speaker 1: with Paris, Like Paris really gets her to the edge
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Speaker 1: of like rage.
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Speaker 2: But again, a couple of times White Paris shows like
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Speaker 2: even the slightest bit of repentance or goodness. Rory's always
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Speaker 2: almost always ready to forgive her. I can't think of
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Speaker 2: a time off the top of my head when.
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Speaker 1: She is last episode, last episode in one of the
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Speaker 1: Paris was late for the meeting and was you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. There was a lot of tens between
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Speaker 1: those two and Rory just wasn't having it. She was
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Speaker 1: just like, you know, screw you. She was ready to
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Speaker 1: walk away from the friendship, from from everything. Had enough.
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Speaker 1: She just had enough. And again, you know, Paris did
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Speaker 1: something to save herself a little better. I guess, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, Ry Paris pushes her.
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Speaker 2: To that point as she would anyone, right.
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Speaker 1: And and then there's Jess sitting on his junkie car waiting,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know, she just she just melts and
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Speaker 1: goes with him. I wanted to see fireworks, darn it.
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Speaker 1: But I guess that's not.
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Speaker 3: Rory, is it.
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Speaker 2: She plays it pretty low key. She doesn't over a mote, right.
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Speaker 1: Do you think Rory regrets breaking up with Deane at all,
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Speaker 1: because this was kind of the comparison we've been waiting for.
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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe a little bit. But I think she knows
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Speaker 2: she was bored by deep like she had that one
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Speaker 2: line in this episode. Oh, I forget what it is exactly,
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Speaker 2: but it's something like Dean called it and I had
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Speaker 2: that or something like that. And so she considers that,
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Speaker 2: but that she doesn't dwell on it. She doesn't get
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Speaker 2: that wistful about it. I think, like most of us,
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Speaker 2: Rory wants to be adored by everyone all the time,
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Speaker 2: and kind of over the course of the series she
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Speaker 2: has to learn in different ways that even though she
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Speaker 2: is like this perfect little princess who we all, as
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Speaker 2: you said, want to put in our pocket, you actually
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Speaker 2: in life can't make everybody happy all the.
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Speaker 1: Time, and you shouldn't try. Yeah, you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be a people pleaser, she.
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Speaker 2: Did, so, yeah, I know.
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Speaker 1: Hey kids, listen, I wanted to give you a little
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Speaker 1: information on my convention schedule. We are going to be
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Speaker 1: in Richmond, Virginia Galaxy Con March nineteen, twenty and twenty one,
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Speaker 1: and then hey, y'all up Washington rewind Con in Washington
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Speaker 1: State and that is March twenty eighth and twenty ninth, Greenville,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Comic Con April eleventh and twelfth, Manchester, UK
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Speaker 1: April eighteen nineteen, New Orleans, Louisiana Galaxy Con July eleventh
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Speaker 1: and twelfth, and then I'll there's more to come San
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Speaker 1: Jose August twenty two to twenty three. That's a Galaxy
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Speaker 1: Con as well as San Jose Galaxy Con. So a
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Speaker 1: lot coming up. I'll fill you in on the rest
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Speaker 1: of it. There's more. It's a busy convention year for
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Speaker 1: the kid here. So hope to see everybody out there.
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Speaker 1: Much love, all right, So at this point, Lily, what
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Speaker 1: are your team Dean or Team Jess.
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Speaker 2: I have a shoulder angel and a shoulder devil, and
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Speaker 2: my shoulder angel is like Dean is going to treat
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Speaker 2: you well, but you will be Yeah, you'll be bored.
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Speaker 2: And he's very possessive and very jealous. But shoulder Devil,
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Speaker 2: says Lily, Jess is going to keep the show more interesting.
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Speaker 2: How about you? I mean, you sound pretty down on jets.
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Speaker 1: I mean at this point, Dean, I mean, if these
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Speaker 1: are the options, I'm Dean. Yeah, I just I know
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Speaker 1: he's my nephew, but I just I can't abide this behavior.
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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe we're both like nobody's good enough.
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Speaker 1: For r I think Dean's good enough for Rory. Really, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do. And you're right. He is a little possessive,
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Speaker 1: but she's pretty darn special. Yeah, and she seems to
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Speaker 1: inspire that in everybody. Right She's Yeah, good point. So
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Speaker 1: you know it's I'm leaning to Ardine now, at least
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Speaker 1: at this point. Right now, one of the more delightful
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Speaker 1: characters in the entire opus Tricks.
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Speaker 2: What a name?
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Speaker 1: Tricks?
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Speaker 2: Uh?
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Speaker 1: And she's visiting for a few days. I gotta tell you,
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying into this whole thing where Emily can't
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Speaker 1: be in her own home because Tricks is having some
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Speaker 1: friends over and meetings in this kind of stuff. I
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Speaker 1: didn't buy into it. I didn't. It just I didn't
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Speaker 1: seem believable. It seemed Emily, you know, hiding out at
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Speaker 1: the Dragonfly. It just didn't track for me. It was
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Speaker 1: out of character for her. She just be can't she's
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Speaker 1: helped me with this. It didn't make any sense to
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Speaker 1: me at all. You know, she's the strongest woman in.
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Speaker 4: The world and as you know, as odious a beast
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Speaker 4: as there can be, especially given how she treated Laurlai
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Speaker 4: at sixteen, going into the delivery room screaming at her.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's making it all about her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what a what a monster, And here we have her
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Speaker 1: completely cowed by this woman, and I just I don't
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Speaker 1: buy it. I mean, she's got she's got more firepower
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Speaker 1: than that, she's got more of a spine than that.
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Speaker 1: So I don't like So for me, it was inconsistency
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Speaker 1: with the character. And I don't like characters being out
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Speaker 1: of character. I like them being their characters.
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Speaker 2: But you have to always test characters. If you just
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Speaker 2: let characters stay in their comfort zone, then there's no
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Speaker 2: drama and tricks. Test Emily and the way I explain
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Speaker 2: it to myself. This might not satisfy you, is that
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Speaker 2: Emily and Richard are super wasps. They cannot talk honestly
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Speaker 2: about anything emotional or real, and so the way Richard
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Speaker 2: blinds himself to how badly his mother treats his wife.
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Speaker 2: If Emily were to really challenge Richard on that, that
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Speaker 2: would require taking off all the armor that these affluent
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Speaker 2: older folks have built up over decades. So she can't
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Speaker 2: do that without risking something too dangerous for her. That's
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Speaker 2: the best I can do.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Well, no, it's pretty good, you know.
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Speaker 1: It certainly makes sense that Richard chose a woman like
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Speaker 1: Emily to marry, given how his mother probably talked to him.
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Speaker 1: His mother probably talked to him the same way she
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Speaker 1: talks to to Emily.
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Speaker 2: See maybe, but she's so indulgent of him now and
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Speaker 2: thinks he is the perfect boy. If Tricks had a daughter,
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Speaker 2: she talked to her daughter the way she talks to Emily.
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Speaker 2: There's something about mothers and daughters versus mothers and sons here,
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Speaker 2: and also the indulgence we see between Tricks and Richard
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Speaker 2: would help explain why Richard's so blind to how Tricks
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Speaker 2: treats Emily.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, I really love how in this
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Speaker 2: episode and over and over in the series, you were
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Speaker 2: just mentioning about how Emily just was a terrible parents
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Speaker 2: to Lourlai, especially in moments of crisis. And here when
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Speaker 2: Emily comes to the end and is like a lost
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Speaker 2: little lamb with those big wide eyes, Loralai parents her.
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Speaker 2: She takes care of her mom. It's that merciful quality.
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Speaker 1: Well, she's not petty like her mother, she's not condescending
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Speaker 1: like her mom. She's got a heart, you know.
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Speaker 2: She's always doing little things to take care of Emily,
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Speaker 2: like that other episode where she sets her mom up
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Speaker 2: with a DVD player when she's when she's lonely, when
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Speaker 2: Richard's away all the time, and Emily would just never
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Speaker 2: think to do something like that for Laura. Emily would think,
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Speaker 2: this is what I think Loralai needs, but she would
25:04
Speaker 2: never be able to see or ask what Lourlai herself
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Speaker 2: genuinely needs and provide that. And so to see over
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Speaker 2: and over again Lauraai extending this I'm going to take
25:20
Speaker 2: care of you hand and never get it back, is
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Speaker 2: one of the kind of tragic, tragically beautiful things about
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Speaker 2: the character in the show, and so then in little
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Speaker 2: moments when Luke takes care of LAURAAI or Rory takes
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Speaker 2: care of LAURAAI, it's just such a it's such a gift.
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Speaker 2: You finally the ah, this woman who takes care of
25:48
Speaker 2: everyone else is finally getting a little bit of care.
25:54
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Mine? Crazy? Oh, that's my one
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Speaker 2: of my like thecs about the show.
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Speaker 1: I think Lorela I decided long ago that her mother
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Speaker 1: was insane. Yeah, and she's reconciled with that. She's come,
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Speaker 1: she's at peace with that. And this sort of this
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Speaker 1: sort of faustian bargain that she's struck with her mother
26:22
Speaker 1: for these Friday night dinners, you know, this is really
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Speaker 1: just an exercise in her displaying the considerable armor that
26:31
Speaker 1: she's built up over the years against these people, deflecting
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Speaker 1: all insults and condescension with humor and zingers right back
26:41
Speaker 1: at him. And Laurela doesn't wind around to get insulted. Man,
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Speaker 1: She's delivering. She's delivering her own arrows, like from right
26:54
Speaker 1: from the get go, she's initiating. It's the only thing
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Speaker 1: she can do.
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Speaker 5: And yeah, I see that, But I'm also like, I
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Speaker 5: think even if she's accepted this, not conciled to her fate,
27:08
Speaker 5: builds up all that armor and has this arsenal of
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Speaker 5: zingers all the time.
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Speaker 2: I think there's still always a tiny little part of
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Speaker 2: you that still craves that care.
27:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not expecting it, but it's nice when it happens,
27:27
Speaker 1: exactly right, because it does happen from time to time.
27:31
Speaker 1: Emily softens from time to time and becomes like a
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Speaker 1: real mom. I'm sorry, but this track suit, the purple
27:41
Speaker 1: tracksuit thing, it didn't make me feel anything for tricks
27:47
Speaker 1: at all. Just she's just so abusive. I mean, you know,
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, you get some level of satisfaction that she's
28:01
Speaker 1: aiming that abuse at Emily, who deserves it, but she
28:03
Speaker 1: really doesn't deserve it in these circumstances, and it's just
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Speaker 1: so over the top that and you know, it's good
28:15
Speaker 1: writing because the stress builds up in the in the
28:18
Speaker 1: in the audience, like how much of this garbage are
28:21
Speaker 1: you going to take from this this? And you know,
28:26
Speaker 1: I thought Emily handled it in a in a in
28:28
Speaker 1: a very god what did you refer to them as?
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Speaker 1: In a very waspish way at the end and said
28:38
Speaker 1: maybe you should consider my feelings in two and you know,
28:42
Speaker 1: she's being very gentle about it.
28:44
Speaker 2: I love that scene. I was so proud of Emily
28:48
Speaker 2: her saying what she said in that way.
28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was definitely the bigger person. Then in the
28:54
Speaker 1: end she's taken up the tray and its muttering to herself.
28:59
Speaker 2: Perfect. It's that's perfect.
29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh anyway, it's all the relationship dynamics were
29:10
Speaker 1: flipped from Tricks to Emily and then from Laura and Emily,
29:16
Speaker 1: and they're gossiping in the kitchen and Emily really thinks
29:21
Speaker 1: she has some ammo with the catching her kissing the
29:24
Speaker 1: man with the purple tracksuit, and.
29:27
Speaker 2: It's just so spectacular to watch Kelly Bishop just almost
29:32
Speaker 2: prance about the kitchen. She's so tickled that sacred in
29:37
Speaker 2: her back pocket.
29:38
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. All right, Lane, Young Chew and Dave some
29:45
Speaker 1: missus Kim hires the Zach's Christian Trio, and then they're
29:49
Speaker 1: practicing in the garage and Lane is also having a
29:52
Speaker 1: date with Young Chow the hockey game, but it's worked
29:55
Speaker 1: out a deal because he wants to see someone else
29:59
Speaker 1: as well, so that's very convenient for Lane. Young Chuu
30:03
Speaker 1: comes over, picks her up. Well, Dave looks on sheepishly.
30:09
Speaker 1: In the background, the band plays hims while Day steps
30:12
Speaker 1: outside for some air.
30:15
Speaker 3: That just takes off.
30:18
Speaker 1: Freak. He runs a mile of the hockey game to
30:23
Speaker 1: see Lane for like two seconds and then runs back
30:25
Speaker 1: a mile. Lane got a kick out of that. She
30:29
Speaker 1: was all glowy that somebody is jealous. Yeah, first time's
30:33
Speaker 1: anybody ever been jealous.
30:36
Speaker 2: That's the real theme of this episode. Rory and Lane,
30:40
Speaker 2: both in their different relationships, are learning they have to
30:45
Speaker 2: play hard to get a little bit, and or not
30:49
Speaker 2: have to in Lane's case. But like the pleasures and
30:53
Speaker 2: rewards of playing hard to get of not just sitting
30:57
Speaker 2: around at home waiting for the phone to ring or
31:00
Speaker 2: waiting for your boyfriend's band concert to be over. No
31:07
Speaker 2: going out and living life good for them.
31:11
Speaker 1: Right right right now. At the end, I mean, Roy
31:15
Speaker 1: comes home from the game of the concert with Jess
31:18
Speaker 1: and she goes to bed. It seems like, do you
31:19
Speaker 1: think she's a little sad about Dean?
31:23
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't get that at all.
31:26
Speaker 1: Tell me more, there's a moment there right in her eyes.
31:31
Speaker 2: Well, what I noticed at the end was that she
31:34
Speaker 2: didn't tell Laura LII that she went on the state
31:38
Speaker 2: with Jess to the concert. That was what I got
31:42
Speaker 2: out of the end, and I thought she was more
31:46
Speaker 2: like kind of making a difficult decision in the moment
31:51
Speaker 2: about which things to share with her mom and which
31:54
Speaker 2: things to keep private.
32:06
Speaker 1: All right, now, you Lily super fan that you are.
32:10
Speaker 1: Did you watch the show when it aired or later
32:12
Speaker 1: when it started streaming.
32:14
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Scott, I'm going to tell you something.
32:18
Speaker 2: I was a year behind Rory in school. I'm almost
32:24
Speaker 2: the same age. My dad worked in another state for
32:31
Speaker 2: five days a week, so it was kind of like
32:34
Speaker 2: my mom was a single mom for most of the week.
32:38
Speaker 2: When I was sixteen, my parents moved me from a
32:43
Speaker 2: public school to a private school where I had to
32:46
Speaker 2: wear uniforms. Then I went to Yale, and then I
32:50
Speaker 2: became a journalist. I know what, I know. You probably
32:57
Speaker 2: get a lot of fans who are like, I'm Rory
33:02
Speaker 2: and I'm not like that, even though a lot of
33:08
Speaker 2: the things track, But it was just very validating for
33:16
Speaker 2: me to see a character like her on the screen.
33:21
Speaker 2: I remember watching the show with my mom and her saying,
33:25
Speaker 2: do you think we're like Laura Li and Rory And
33:31
Speaker 2: certainly we didn't have and don't have the same whip
33:34
Speaker 2: smart dialogue, but there is this sense of us against
33:39
Speaker 2: the world, just the two of us, this little band
33:43
Speaker 2: of sisters. It's so aspirational. You want to be like
33:49
Speaker 2: Rory and Laura Lai, And in that way, I think
33:52
Speaker 2: we felt like we were right.
33:55
Speaker 1: How many times have you watched a show? Is it
33:59
Speaker 1: a ritual for you?
34:02
Speaker 2: I would say maybe three times the whole way through,
34:09
Speaker 2: but at much different points in my life. Right and
34:12
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I'll tell you the townspeople
34:16
Speaker 2: scenes drove me nuts. I was like, get me back
34:20
Speaker 2: to the romance. I don't care about Taylor or Kirk, Like,
34:26
Speaker 2: what is it now that I'm forty years old, those
34:32
Speaker 2: are some of my favorite scenes, Like with this with
34:35
Speaker 2: the hockey match in this episode, I'm thinking, Wow, the
34:39
Speaker 2: writers came up with a way for so many people
34:42
Speaker 2: to be involved in this game. You've got It's Patty
34:44
Speaker 2: and Bebett mean national very weirdly, you have Kirk being
34:50
Speaker 2: the most annoying and uninformed announcer ever, and you have
34:56
Speaker 2: Taylor with his whole family and the audience. It's just.
35:01
Speaker 6: I love seeing how deeply the writers understand these quirky
35:09
Speaker 6: little characters and how to let them flourish.
35:13
Speaker 2: In different ways in different situations.
35:17
Speaker 1: Which character you relate to the most?
35:19
Speaker 2: I think we know it changes over time, it does it? Yeah? Yeah?
35:26
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, we all wanted to be Rory.
35:32
Speaker 2: Now maybe I'm am I a suki my like a
35:39
Speaker 2: best friend who's like cheerful and game for anything and
35:46
Speaker 2: a little bit ditzy. Maybe I'm a.
35:48
Speaker 1: Suki Now Okay, Well you attended Yale. How did the
35:51
Speaker 1: portrayal hold up to the real.
35:53
Speaker 3: Life of Yale?
35:55
Speaker 2: Oh? The real life of Yale for me was unto
36:00
Speaker 2: surprisingly a lot more boring. And Rory talks about studying
36:07
Speaker 2: all the time. But if you were to actually show
36:10
Speaker 2: how much studying it wouldn't be much of a TV show,
36:15
Speaker 2: many fewer boyfriends, much less coffee and coffee Kart. But
36:23
Speaker 2: the kind of frightening rat race of it. Or that
36:32
Speaker 2: one episode where a professor tells Rory to drop a
36:35
Speaker 2: class and it's so devastating to her because she realizes
36:43
Speaker 2: she can't. Maybe the professor's right, and she can't do everything.
36:50
Speaker 2: I think I definitely had a moment like that, and
36:52
Speaker 2: probably a lot of my peers did too.
36:56
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite episode?
36:58
Speaker 2: I love the one where it's in a future season,
37:04
Speaker 2: maybe season four, but where it's a Friday night dinner
37:10
Speaker 2: and it goes on forever and ever, and the four
37:15
Speaker 2: of them are just finally getting it all out in
37:19
Speaker 2: the open and they're laughing and being candid, and then
37:24
Speaker 2: they're fighting again in the next scene, and then they're
37:26
Speaker 2: like giving each other the silent treatment and then it
37:29
Speaker 2: all starts over again. Yeah. So cathartic to finally see
37:35
Speaker 2: them say everything to each other.
37:37
Speaker 1: Right, it was like a John Frankenheimer film. Yeah, some
37:41
Speaker 1: of it. It should have been in black and white, the
37:43
Speaker 1: way it went back and forth, and it was dimensional,
37:47
Speaker 1: multi dimensional multi there were different realities it was. Some
37:52
Speaker 1: of it was hallucinous genic.
37:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
37:56
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that episode tho. Those sequences were very, very nice.
38:00
Speaker 2: Great call in the black and white?
38:01
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, all right. So overall, what does
38:07
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls mean to you? In the life of Lily?
38:12
Speaker 5: Oh?
38:12
Speaker 2: Oh, in my life.
38:13
Speaker 1: In the life of Lily, what does it mean to you?
38:16
Speaker 2: Oh? It's eating ice cream at one am and you've
38:22
Speaker 2: had a hard day and you need to return to
38:28
Speaker 2: something comforting, nostalgic, aspirational that makes you want to build
38:37
Speaker 2: your real life to look a little bit more like that. Like, obviously,
38:43
Speaker 2: none of us is going to live in a star's
38:45
Speaker 2: hollow where all the neighbors attend every single town meeting
38:50
Speaker 2: and participate in every school play and festival and are
38:54
Speaker 2: so unfailingly involved in and loyal to each other. Not
39:03
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But watching the show, I don't know, it
39:08
Speaker 2: maybe makes me think I can move my life a
39:11
Speaker 2: little bit closer to that.
39:13
Speaker 1: Lily, it's been fun. Please come back, keep writing these
39:17
Speaker 1: great articles. And there's more. I know there's more in you.
39:22
Speaker 1: Your insight is is quite quite precise. Actually, anybody listen, listen, Gang,
39:33
Speaker 1: You've got to, uh, You've got to download Lily's article
39:36
Speaker 1: in San Francisco Chronicle. What is it entitled, Lily Gilmore
39:40
Speaker 1: Girls twenty five years later?
39:41
Speaker 2: Right? Why Gilmore Girl still works?
39:44
Speaker 1: Why Gilmore Girls still works twenty five years later? Download it?
39:49
Speaker 1: Read it and and you'll you'll understand a little better
39:56
Speaker 1: if you don't already. The mass appeal, the can continuing
40:00
Speaker 1: generational appeal of this quirky little show. Lily, thank you
40:06
Speaker 1: so much for your time really appreciate it and to
40:10
Speaker 1: the best fans on the planet, keep those cards and
40:12
Speaker 1: letters coming and remember where you lead, we will follow.
40:17
Speaker 3: Stay sicke
40:46
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