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The Clancy Case Goes to the Jury · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: signed and effective immediately. More on that later, but first,
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about this all week. Three children are dead.
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Speaker 1: Cora was five years old, Dawson was three, Callan was
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Speaker 1: eight months old, a baby. Two and a half years
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Speaker 1: ago in a home in Duxbury, Massachusetts, their own mother
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Speaker 1: wrapped exercise bands around their necks, one after another, and
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Speaker 1: strangled all three of them. Now, after five weeks of testimony,
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Speaker 1: the case finally went to a jury today. Still, they've
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Speaker 1: been dismissed for the day, and maybe we'll have a
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Speaker 1: verdict tomorrow. And the only question left... One that should
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Speaker 1: never have to be asked about who the woman who
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Speaker 1: did this is. Well, it's does she spend the rest
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Speaker 1: of her life in a prison cell? Or does she
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Speaker 1: walk into a hospital and maybe someday walk out free?
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Speaker 1: The woman is Lindsay Clancy. We've been talking about it
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Speaker 1: all week. She was a labor and delivery nurse, which
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Speaker 1: makes this even worse, a person whose job was bringing
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Speaker 1: babies safely into the world. And on the night of
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Speaker 1: January 24th, 23, prosecutors say she sent her husband, Patrick,
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Speaker 1: out of the house on an errand. That's real calculated
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Speaker 1: for a crazy person to go and grab takeout and
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Speaker 1: then to pick up medicine for one of the kids.
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Speaker 1: And the moment he was gone, the moment he was gone,
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Speaker 1: she turned on her children. When it was over, she
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Speaker 1: cut herself in various parts, her wrists, her neck. She
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Speaker 1: then threw herself, arguably, from a second-story window. She survived.
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Speaker 1: She got partially paralyzed as a result. Her children didn't survive.
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy does not deny that she killed her children.
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Speaker 1: She can't. The evidence is overwhelming. Instead, her lawyer is
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Speaker 1: running the insanity defense. He told the jury she was
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Speaker 1: in the grip of postpartum psychosis, that a male voice
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Speaker 1: in her head commanded her to do it. THAT SHE WAS,
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Speaker 1: IN HIS WORDS, JUST A PUPPET WITH SOMEONE ELSE PULLING
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Speaker 1: THE STRINGS. AND IN HIS CLOSING TODAY ABOUT A WOMAN
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Speaker 1: WHO STRANGLED THREE CHILDREN, HE STOOD UP AND SAID THAT
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Speaker 1: SHE DID NOTHING WRONG IN HER LIFE. PROSECUTION SPENT FIVE
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Speaker 1: WEEKS TELLING A VERY DIFFERENT STORY. THEIR CASE IS NOT
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Speaker 1: THAT LINDSEY CLANCEY WAS TOO SICK TO KNOW WHAT SHE
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Speaker 1: WAS DOING, IT'S THAT SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING.
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Speaker 1: HERE'S THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN HER OWN CLOSING ARGUMENT TODAY.
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Speaker 2: And when she got the call from him, she had
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Speaker 2: already strangled them. And she didn't tell him. She didn't
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Speaker 2: ask for help. She didn't say, oh my God, what
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Speaker 2: have I done? She's a nurse. She didn't go down
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Speaker 2: and try to do CPR and help them.
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Speaker 3: No, she lied.
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Speaker 2: She stayed calm. She presented herself as normal. She had
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Speaker 2: complete control over her behavior and her emotions. She had
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Speaker 2: a normal conversation with him because she didn't want him
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Speaker 2: coming home because she needed to finish her plan.
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Speaker 1: She had to have begun the instant her husband walked out.
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Speaker 1: And minutes later, when her husband Patrick came home with
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Speaker 1: a question about medicine... He called home. She answered the phone,
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Speaker 1: and she sounded normal. The state's own forensic psychiatrist told
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Speaker 1: the jury that Lindsay Clancy had the capacity to know
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Speaker 1: right from wrong at the moment she killed her kids.
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Speaker 1: That's key. The prosecution's argument, well, it's a hard one.
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Speaker 1: She says this was not the mind that had snapped
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Speaker 1: and lost touch with reality. It was a plan. She
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Speaker 1: removed the one person who could have stopped her. She
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Speaker 1: carried it out, and she was clear-headed enough to sound
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Speaker 1: calm on the phone in the middle of it. And
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Speaker 1: there's one more fact here, and it's the hardest of all.
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Speaker 1: The father of those three children, Patrick Clancy, the man
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Speaker 1: who came home to that scene, I can't even imagine
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Speaker 1: what that was like, he's forgiven his wife. He said
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Speaker 1: he was not married to a monster. He was married
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Speaker 1: to someone who got sick. That is a mercy almost
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Speaker 1: beyond comprehension, but a courtroom cannot run on a father's grief.
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Speaker 1: Its job is Narrow and colder, the jury now has
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Speaker 1: to decide if the woman who killed those three children
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Speaker 1: is criminally responsible for doing it. That is what their
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Speaker 1: job is. Now, The jury has to decide if it's
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Speaker 1: first-degree murder, deliberate premeditated murder, or maybe they can go
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Speaker 1: with a lesser sentence or charge of manslaughter. We'll all
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Speaker 1: find out here soon enough. The difference is, will she
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Speaker 1: spend life in prison, or will she spend some time
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Speaker 1: in a mental health facility? Now, to discuss what may
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Speaker 1: happen next and what might happen when that jury is
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Speaker 1: done deliberating, my friend Viva Frye, lawyer and YouTuber, Viva,
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Speaker 1: welcome to Dave Pollack Prime Time. This is a disgusting case.
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Speaker 1: It's a sick case about a sick woman who did
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Speaker 1: a terrible thing. I don't think anybody in this country
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Speaker 1: who's objective looks at this and says, yeah, she was crazy.
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Speaker 1: But then you have all these lunatic women running around
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Speaker 1: being like, same, Lindsay. I feel the same way. And
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Speaker 1: I just saw a report that another woman killed her children,
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Speaker 1: similar to the way Clancy did. And this is how
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Speaker 1: sick this is becoming. A lot of women have postpartum depression.
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Speaker 1: We have sympathy for that, but they don't go killing
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Speaker 1: their kids. But I saw today you think that maybe
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor didn't do their job of proving the case
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Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. What's your take on everything you've
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Speaker 1: seen and what you think the jury might do?
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Speaker 4: So full disclosure, I didn't watch the five weeks of trial,
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Speaker 4: you know, followed it tangentially, but got certainly more into
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Speaker 4: it in the last week and listened to the closing
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Speaker 4: arguments in detail. I actually had on a clinical psychologist
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Speaker 4: last week. His name is Dr.
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Speaker 1: Roger McFillan.
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Speaker 4: And he was talking about the concoction of medications that
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Speaker 4: they put her on. Certainly sensitized me to the call
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Speaker 4: it flippant or maybe negligent medical industrial complex that just
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Speaker 4: puts people on a cocktail of drugs and, you know,
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Speaker 4: says spend for yourself and we'll, we'll take it with
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Speaker 4: what works and what doesn't as you complain about symptoms.
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Speaker 4: All that to say is like, this is a disgusting
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Speaker 4: case beginning to end. And even if you think that
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Speaker 4: Lindsay Clancy was not guilty by reason of insanity, mental defect,
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Speaker 4: There's a difference between saying it's a legalese under the law.
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Speaker 4: She was psychotic at the time, not in control of
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Speaker 4: her faculties, couldn't distinguish right from wrong. It's one thing
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Speaker 4: to say that.
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Speaker 1: And then another thing to stand in the.
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Speaker 4: Street in solidarity as though Lindsay is something of a
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Speaker 4: victim here or the victim. Some people say she's a
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Speaker 4: victim of the medical industrial complex that screwed with her brain,
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Speaker 4: put her on drugs, took no accountability for what they
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Speaker 4: were doing to her. And she had a psychotic episode
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Speaker 4: and is not responsible for what she did. That's a big,
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Speaker 4: big difference than standing in solidarity, posting videos to TikTok,
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Speaker 4: as though being a mother is a form of patriarchal
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Speaker 4: oppression and the children are the oppressors and the babies
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Speaker 4: are the oppressors. So I started off by saying, If
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Speaker 4: she's guilty, spend the rest of her life behind bars.
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Speaker 4: And if she is not guilty by reason of insanity,
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Speaker 4: she should spend the rest of her life in an
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Speaker 4: institution because you don't get to walk away at any
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Speaker 4: point in time after having killed three babies. Even if
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Speaker 4: you were mentally ill, a lot of people take drugs.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people take psychotropic medications. An infinitesimally small
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Speaker 4: amount of them go on to murder their kids. And
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Speaker 4: if that's what you do in a psychotic episode, you're
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Speaker 4: forever a risk to all of humanity. But as I'm
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Speaker 4: listening to the judge's jury instructions, defense closing arguments, and
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Speaker 4: the prosecution's closing arguments, I was struck by how it
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Speaker 4: really sounded like the judge was basically teeing it up
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Speaker 4: for any fence-sitting jurors to feel comfortable saying not guilty
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Speaker 4: by reason of insanity, where the judge has to do
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Speaker 4: his job, but really emphasize the fact that the prosecution
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Speaker 4: needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not that she
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Speaker 4: did it, because we all know that she did it,
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Speaker 4: it's an admitted fact, but that when she did it,
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Speaker 4: she was not guilty of mental defect. And it's like
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Speaker 4: they are highlighting to a jury that the prosecution needs
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Speaker 4: to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, basically a negative, prove
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Speaker 4: that she was not mentally defective when she killed her
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Speaker 4: three kids. Then you, and I hear the opening sentence
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Speaker 4: of the prosecution, a concession that she suffers from mental
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Speaker 4: illness as the first line of her opening statements, like
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Speaker 4: closing arguments.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 4: I was like, man, this is really probably the worst
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Speaker 4: way to go about doing it.
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Speaker 1: Agreed.
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Speaker 4: You're going to have to contend with the fact that
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Speaker 4: it's an accepted fact that Lindsay was mentally ill at
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Speaker 4: some point in this, but that she was still criminally responsible.
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Speaker 4: But to start off your closing arguments with, we agree
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Speaker 4: she was mentally ill and she tried to kill herself
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Speaker 4: by slitting her wrists and cutting her neck and standing
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Speaker 4: in front of a mirror, looking at the blood pool.
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Speaker 1: I listened to that closing argument.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, if I didn't know who the parties were
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Speaker 4: in this case, I could have sworn that that was
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Speaker 4: the defense attorney making Lindsay look psychotic at the time
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Speaker 4: that she did this. So all of that said, I
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Speaker 4: have a bad feeling that the judge is teeing it
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Speaker 4: up to sway fence-sitting jurors to feel comfortable finding Lindsay
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Speaker 4: not guilty by reason of insanity, because as the judge
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Speaker 4: mentioned in his opening jury instructions, if she gets off,
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Speaker 4: she doesn't get out, and the prosecution will surely ask
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Speaker 4: that she be institutionalized, and a judge will be the
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Speaker 4: one to determine for how long and whether or not
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Speaker 4: she ever gets released. But that really seemed like the
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Speaker 4: judge was allowing any jury member to wash their hands
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Speaker 4: of potential risk if they find her not guilty by
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Speaker 4: reason of insanity.
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Speaker 1: Now, look, and I watched that closing argument, and my
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Speaker 1: take was a little different. My thought was that she
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Speaker 1: was trying to suggest that the amount of time that
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Speaker 1: elapsed from the point when she asked her husband to leave,
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Speaker 1: then when she murdered her children, then when she cut
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Speaker 1: herself in front of the mirror, the amount of blood
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Speaker 1: that was on the floor suggested that she stood there
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Speaker 1: for a period of time. And then the amount of,
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Speaker 1: you know, whether or not there was blood on the
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Speaker 1: way to the window, and then the blood, the way
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Speaker 1: it ran down the roof, almost as if like she
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Speaker 1: tried to climb down and not so much jump like
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Speaker 1: a suicidal person. And the fact that the blood that
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Speaker 1: she cut herself with had actually stopped bleeding was dried
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Speaker 1: by the time her husband got home. It was suggesting
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Speaker 1: that a period of time have elapsed that if she
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Speaker 1: was in this psychotic break where somebody was acting as
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Speaker 1: if they were an autonomous. Now, like an automaton, like
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Speaker 1: she couldn't control her behavior. I'm not sure what standard
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Speaker 1: they're applying in this particular case, whether or not she
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Speaker 1: knew what she was doing was wrong but couldn't control
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Speaker 1: her actions versus she didn't actually appreciate what she was doing.
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Speaker 1: She thought she was squeezing a melon versus her children.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the prior. I think she's suggesting that...
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Speaker 1: She knew what she was doing was wrong but couldn't
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Speaker 1: control it because she was into this psychotic episode. And
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Speaker 1: so I think the prosecutor laid out this argument that
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Speaker 1: had she been in this psychotic episode and couldn't control
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Speaker 1: her movements, she had way too much deliberation of husband...
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Speaker 1: I need you to leave the house. Oh, yeah, everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to cut myself and hang out here for
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Speaker 1: a minute. OK, I'm going to go off the roof,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not going to jump off. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: kind of slide down. There was way too much intent
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Speaker 1: behind somebody who's in this state of psychosis. And I'll
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Speaker 1: give you a parallel. When that young woman was murdered
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Speaker 1: on that train in North Carolina, here was a psychotic
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Speaker 1: person who got up and just stabbed her and then
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Speaker 1: walked off the train. YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS, THIS
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Speaker 1: WASN'T THIS INSTANTANEOUS SNAP OF MENTAL ILLNESS. THIS WAS DELIBERATE,
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Speaker 1: THOUGHT OUT, TIME ELAPSED. THERE WAS NO MOMENT WHERE SHE
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Speaker 1: WAS LIKE, SOMEBODY HELP ME, I CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF, EVEN
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Speaker 1: WHEN SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH HER HUSBAND. SO
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Speaker 1: IN MY MIND, IF I'M A JUROR AND I HEARD
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Speaker 1: THAT ARGUMENT, I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S
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Speaker 1: NOT A CRAZY PERSON, THAT'S A SICK PERSON. MAYBE WE'LL
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Speaker 1: HAVE A DECISION TOMORROW, MAYBE IT WILL TAKE LONGER. AS
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Speaker 1: PEOPLE KNOW, THE FOLLOWED CRIMINAL CASES, THE LONGER A JURY DELIBERATES,
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Speaker 1: USUALLY THE LESS LIKELY THEY ARE TO CONVICT So we'll see.
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Speaker 1: And if they start asking questions, then we'll start saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: something's going on here. And then we'll get it figured out.
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Speaker 1: I'll say this. If I heard voices in my head
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Speaker 1: telling me to kill my children, I would immediately say,
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Speaker 1: somebody help me. Somebody is telling me to do bad things.
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Speaker 1: And that's the part I'm hung up on. She had
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Speaker 1: the ability to talk to her husband and say, honey,
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Speaker 1: somebody's telling me to do bad things. I need you
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Speaker 1: to come home. There was none of that. There was, yep,
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Speaker 1: everything's good. So we'll see what the jury decides. Viva,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Excellent takes on this.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have a lot more to talk about
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Speaker 1: next week when we get a jury verdict.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: THIS IS BLOOMBERG. 58 DAYS TO GO AND AMERICA VOTES.
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Speaker 1: THE FAKE NEWS, THEY WILL TELL YOU IT'S ALREADY OVER.
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Speaker 1: And frankly, it's going to be a wipeout.
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Speaker 6: Your viewers need to know that the Democrats are going
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Speaker 6: to pick up at a minimum of 25 seats, maybe
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Speaker 6: as high as 45.
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Speaker 1: That guy can't decide. One week he's complaining about Democratic Socialists.
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Speaker 1: Now he says it's a wipeout. 45 seats. The Senate,
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Speaker 1: he says it's gone. James Carville, the very same James Carville,
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Speaker 1: by the way, in 24, who swore to you Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris was going to be president. THE ACTUAL MAP, THE
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Speaker 1: ONE WITH ACTUAL NUMBERS ON IT SAYS THE OPPOSITE. YES,
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Speaker 1: THE DEMOCRATS ARE FAVORED TO TAKE BACK THE HOUSE HISTORICALLY.
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Speaker 1: THAT'S ALMOST WHAT ALWAYS HAPPENS WHEN THE PARTY IN THE
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Speaker 1: WHITE HOUSE HAS A MIDTERM. BUT THE UNITED STATES SENATE,
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Speaker 1: REPUBLICANS ARE FAVORED TO HOLD IT. THE LIKELIEST OUTCOME IN
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Speaker 1: NOVEMBER IS NOT A WIPEOUT. IT COULD BE A SPLIT DECISION.
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Speaker 1: THAT'S IF REPUBLICANS EVEN LOSE THE HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE
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Speaker 1: THAT THEY WILL. And the Senate, that firewall, it runs
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Speaker 1: straight through South Carolina. And on Tuesday night, Darlene Graham
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Speaker 1: won the Republican nomination for the Senate seat, left behind
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Speaker 1: by her late brother, Lindsey Graham, with President Trump's endorsement
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Speaker 1: after he flew down and he rallied for her himself.
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Speaker 1: She beat a great congressman to do it. That same night,
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Speaker 1: another Trump-backed candidate won a runoff for governor in Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: And come November, Graham is not merely expected to win,
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Speaker 1: the odds makers have for holding that seat, by better
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Speaker 1: than 80% against a Democrat opponent, hopefully a pediatrician named
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Speaker 1: Annie Andrews. Now, South Carolina has not sent a Democrat
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Speaker 1: to the United States Senate since the last century. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to change this year. So while
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Speaker 1: the Carvels of the world promise a revolution, look at
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Speaker 1: what the Democrats are actually putting on the ballot down
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Speaker 1: in Florida. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY JUST NOMINATED FOR THE UNITED
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Speaker 1: STATES SENATE AN OPEN CARD-CARING MEMBER OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS
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Speaker 1: OF AMERICA. THE FIRST SOCIALIST EVER TO WIN A SENATE
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Speaker 1: PRIMARY IN THIS COUNTRY. TECHNICALLY THE SECOND, BUT MICHIGAN'S ABDULLAH EL-SAID,
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Speaker 1: HE DENIES HE'S A SOCIALIST, SO LET'S JUST CALL HIM
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Speaker 1: THE ISLAMO-MARXIST THAT HE IS. SAME DIFFERENCE. THE PARTY THAT
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Speaker 1: KEEPS TELLING YOU IT'S ABOUT TO SWEEP THE NATION IS
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Speaker 1: HANDING SWING VOTERS SOCIALISM. WIN BACK THE MIDDLE OF AMERICA
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Speaker 1: BY SPRINTING TO THE FRINGE OF THE PARTY, RIGHT? 68
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Speaker 1: DAYS ON THE LINE WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP KEEPS A SENATE
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Speaker 1: THAT CONFIRMS HIS JUDGES AND HOPEFULLY MOVES HIS AGENDA OR
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Speaker 1: WHETHER CHUCK SCHUMER AND HIS RAW BURGERS WITH CHEESE GETS
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Speaker 1: THE GAVELS BACK AND GRINDS IT ALL TO A HALT.
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Speaker 1: DEMOCRATS ARE CERTAIN THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW IT ENDS. I
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Speaker 1: DON'T THINK IT ENDS THE WAY THEY HOPE IT WILL.
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Speaker 1: AND MY NEXT GUEST HAS SPENT YEARS IN THE MIDDLE
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Speaker 1: OF THESE FIGHTS IN ONE OF THE REDDEST STATES IN
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Speaker 1: THE COUNTRY. NOW, WELL, SHE'S COMPLETELY FREE TO SAY ABOUT
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Speaker 1: WHATEVER SHE WANTS ON HER BRAND-NEW PODCAST. JOINING ME NOW
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Speaker 1: IS CONGRESSWOMAN NANCY MACE AND SHE'S ALSO THE HOST OF
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Speaker 1: GET MACED. WELCOME, DAVID POLLACK, PRIME TIME. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE PODCAST.
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Speaker 1: GREAT JOBS, BY THE WAY, IN THE I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: the state really loves you. You've done a great job
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Speaker 1: for them. And now you're still really talking on their
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Speaker 1: behalf on this brand new podcast. Let's talk about South
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Speaker 1: Carolina really quick. And then let's talk about the national outlook.
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Speaker 1: I think I know there's a lot of division between
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Speaker 1: whether the Republican nominee, Graham, should have been the one
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Speaker 1: they send to Washington. But she won. She has Trump's endorsement.
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Speaker 1: She'll probably win. Right.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, she won it out fair and square. I think
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Speaker 7: the initial pushback, which is why she was in a runoff,
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Speaker 7: is because voters wanted to have a choice. They didn't
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Speaker 7: want a coronation. And she fought like hell. She fought
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Speaker 7: very hard, and she won on her own right. Now,
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Speaker 7: what people forget is that back in 2020, when Lindsey
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Speaker 7: Graham ran for the seat last time, Democrats raised over
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Speaker 7: $ 120 million to try to beat him. He won by
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Speaker 7: just 54%. Now we have a younger, moderate candidate She's trying,
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Speaker 7: Annie Andrews, a Democrat, trying to model herself as a moderate,
17:45
Speaker 7: but she's a pediatrician who is pro-castration for kids.
17:49
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
17:49
Speaker 7: So, but there are a lot of those on the
17:51
Speaker 7: Democrat ballot. There are socialists, there are castrators, there are
17:55
Speaker 7: Lindsay Clancy, you know, murderous moms fans, you know, that
17:58
Speaker 7: are running, running right now. And that's what we're up against.
18:02
Speaker 7: But there's there's money behind them and we've got it.
18:04
Speaker 7: We've got to fight back and tell it like it is.
18:06
Speaker 7: And I'm excited about the podcast because I will be
18:08
Speaker 7: able to tell it more like it is than I
18:10
Speaker 7: ever have. If you didn't like the way I talked
18:13
Speaker 7: when I was elected, wait till I'm not elected.
18:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to be delivering.
18:17
Speaker 7: Hard truths for people right and left and everywhere in between.
18:21
Speaker 1: Well, and I look forward to that. And I just
18:23
Speaker 1: think it's so crazy. And just as a very quick aside,
18:26
Speaker 1: we don't have to go down. I don't even want
18:28
Speaker 1: to go down this hole. But the fact that you
18:29
Speaker 1: had tattoos was like the biggest story of the week.
18:32
Speaker 1: And it's just it tells you how insane the media
18:36
Speaker 1: has become in this country, but also how biased it is. Right.
18:39
Speaker 1: Your tattoos are the story of the week. You have
18:42
Speaker 1: what Graham Platner with a Nazi tattoo. That's not the story.
18:45
Speaker 1: But that's how dishonest this press is. And going into November,
18:48
Speaker 1: it's exactly what you said. These people are nuts. They're pro-castration.
18:53
Speaker 1: They're socialists. They're lunatics. And yet the media is painting
18:56
Speaker 1: them as moderates, hoping people will elect them. But I
18:59
Speaker 1: think people are smarter than that, right? No, absolutely. And
19:02
Speaker 1: I have no Nazi tattoos, by the way.
19:04
Speaker 7: My left arm, my left half sleeve is all about
19:06
Speaker 7: Jesus and my faith in Christianity and my belief that
19:09
Speaker 7: Jesus Christ is our savior. I have biblical texts and
19:12
Speaker 7: scripture and all of that. Love it. But it was
19:14
Speaker 7: a completely double standard last week. But they are crazy.
19:18
Speaker 7: And now the guy that... you know, replace Graham Platner,
19:21
Speaker 7: has kids with his cousin. Like he's a cousin lover, right?
19:24
Speaker 1: And then you have Mr.
19:25
Speaker 7: Sharia law in Michigan, Abdul Al-Sayed. And then you have
19:28
Speaker 7: this screecher in Florida, definitely Democrat socialist party card carrying holder.
19:33
Speaker 7: She's been a socialist for about five minutes. She was
19:35
Speaker 7: outspent 16 to one. She was a socialist who ran,
19:38
Speaker 7: he raised less than a million dollars in Florida where
19:40
Speaker 7: DeSantis and Trump won. And she was up against someone
19:45
Speaker 7: who fled socialism, a socialist refugee, and she beat the socialism.
19:50
Speaker 7: refugee in Florida of all places. So this is going
19:53
Speaker 7: to be a weird election. I don't agree with James
19:55
Speaker 7: Carville that it's going to be a blowout. I think
19:57
Speaker 7: it's going to be weird. I think it's going to
19:58
Speaker 7: be a little strange in places. I think we will
20:00
Speaker 7: lose some seats in some places. But God forbid, I
20:03
Speaker 7: just pray we don't have radical Islam any more than
20:06
Speaker 7: we already have in the chambers of Congress. And we
20:08
Speaker 7: don't have socialists and men that want to pretend that
20:11
Speaker 7: they're women and take women's rights away. It's going to
20:13
Speaker 7: be kind of a crazy election.
20:15
Speaker 1: I mean, the left just gets crazier and crazier every time.
20:17
Speaker 1: Every state of the union. I mean, you could play
20:19
Speaker 1: it back over the state of the unions and watch
20:21
Speaker 1: the evolution of a party of just people with bad
20:24
Speaker 1: policies to a party of absolute lunatics. And now they
20:27
Speaker 1: show up in the costume of lunatics and you could
20:29
Speaker 1: just see it developing. I'm sure they'll all be wearing
20:31
Speaker 1: hijabs at the next State of the Union. It'll be insane.
20:34
Speaker 7: Oh, they're going to be in burqas.
20:35
Speaker 1: We're going to put them in burqas.
20:36
Speaker 7: They're going to put themselves in burqas.
20:38
Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy. Now, let's stay in Florida for a second,
20:41
Speaker 1: because you have the governor's ticket now with Byron Donalds
20:45
Speaker 1: on top. AND I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO WIN THAT STATE,
20:52
Speaker 1: BUT IF HE WINS, THE FIRST BLACK GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA,
20:54
Speaker 1: HIS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, HIS PARENTS ESCAPED SOCIALISM, AND THEN YOU
20:59
Speaker 1: COMPARE THAT TO THE ALL WHITE TICKET ON THE OTHER SIDE,
21:01
Speaker 1: AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THE FIRST OPENLY SOCIALIST CANDIDATE RUNNING
21:03
Speaker 1: FOR THE SENATE. IS THERE NOT A BETTER PLACE IN
21:05
Speaker 1: THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO SHOW YOU THE TWO CHOICES THAT
21:08
Speaker 1: VOTERS HAVE IN NOVEMBER? DO YOU WANT THE ACTUAL PARTY
21:11
Speaker 1: OF DIVERSITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE White people and lunatic socialists.
21:17
Speaker 1: That's the Democratic Party, right?
21:19
Speaker 7: It absolutely is the Democrat Party. And I got to
21:21
Speaker 7: tell you, the liberal white women out there, they're going
21:25
Speaker 7: to get us all killed. Thank God they're not procreating.
21:28
Speaker 1: But Florida, I think, is.
21:29
Speaker 7: Going to be the bellwether for 26, but also going
21:33
Speaker 7: into 28. What kind of candidates... can win. And that's
21:37
Speaker 7: why Hispanic, that's why Byron chose a Hispanic for the ticket,
21:40
Speaker 7: because he is a socialist refugee. And there are a
21:42
Speaker 7: lot of those in Florida. So we can appeal to
21:45
Speaker 7: those people. But I think it'll be a real bellwether
21:48
Speaker 7: thinking about and looking at going into 2028, because I
21:52
Speaker 7: have a feeling, David, I have a feeling that there
21:54
Speaker 7: are going to be a lot of candidates running for
21:57
Speaker 7: president on both sides of the aisle.
21:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's going to be a mess. And
22:01
Speaker 1: if you thought we were divided now with this America
22:04
Speaker 1: first MAGA split. Yeah. The primaries in 2028 are going
22:07
Speaker 1: to be horrific. Knives are out.
22:09
Speaker 7: Knives are out already.
22:10
Speaker 1: I am hopeful, though, and this is what I'm holding
22:12
Speaker 1: on to with hope. I am hopeful that the wisdom
22:15
Speaker 1: of Rush Limbaugh, that we shouldn't form a circular firing
22:17
Speaker 1: squad and do the left's work for them. I hope
22:20
Speaker 1: that wisdom transcends the division because it's going to be
22:23
Speaker 1: brutal for them, too, as the Democrats or the socialists
22:26
Speaker 1: and the Islamo Marxists try to take that party. We
22:28
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22:31
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22:33
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24:42
Speaker 1: It's doom scrolling by design. Meta, the company that owns
24:45
Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram, just agreed to hand over nearly $ 17
24:50
Speaker 1: billion to settle a lawsuit alleging that Facebook and Instagram
24:55
Speaker 1: were deliberately engineered to be addictive and to harm children. Now,
25:01
Speaker 1: as part of this deal, Meta is now forced to
25:04
Speaker 1: install real age verification, real parental controls, real guardrails, and
25:09
Speaker 1: they settled because they were getting hammered in the courtrooms
25:12
Speaker 1: across this country. They lost a case in New Mexico.
25:15
Speaker 1: A judge ruled they created a public nuisance and hit
25:18
Speaker 1: them for another half a billion dollars. The head of
25:20
Speaker 1: Instagram was on a witness stand in California this very week.
25:24
Speaker 1: Meta looked at all of it and decided, well, writing
25:26
Speaker 1: a $ 17 billion check was probably the easiest way out.
25:30
Speaker 1: It's a harm to children. It was never a glitch.
25:33
Speaker 1: It was the product doing exactly what it was designed
25:36
Speaker 1: to do. The entire business model is a machine. The
25:39
Speaker 1: algorithm exists to capture your attention, hold it as long
25:43
Speaker 1: as humanly possible, harvest your data, sell it. And when
25:46
Speaker 1: you build a machine like that and aim it at
25:48
Speaker 1: 13-year-old kids, it doesn't care if it's feeding their anxiety
25:53
Speaker 1: or self-hatred. It only cares that they keep scrolling. Don't
25:57
Speaker 1: take my word for it. Take the word of the
25:59
Speaker 1: Facebook insider who blew the whistle years ago and warned
26:02
Speaker 1: us this exact day was coming. Look.
26:04
Speaker 7: Facebook's profit-optimizing machine is generating self-harm and self-hate, especially for
26:09
Speaker 7: vulnerable groups like teenage girls.
26:12
Speaker 1: A profit-optimizing machine generating self-harm, in her own words, especially
26:16
Speaker 1: in teenage girls. She said that under oath in 2021,
26:20
Speaker 1: Facebook called her a liar and sent a spokesman to
26:22
Speaker 1: trash her. This week, Meta paid $ 17 billion, proving that maybe, maybe...
26:28
Speaker 1: SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. THAT SAME MACHINE, THE ONE
26:31
Speaker 1: THAT HOOKS THE KID, IS IDENTICAL TO THE MACHINE THAT
26:34
Speaker 1: DECIDES WHAT NEWS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SEE. THE ALGORITHM THAT
26:36
Speaker 1: MAXIMIZES A TEENAGER'S SCREEN TIME IS THE ALGORITHM THAT BURIES
26:41
Speaker 1: THE STORY THEY DON'T WANT TRENDING AND THROTTLES THE ACCOUNT
26:44
Speaker 1: THEY DON'T WANT HEARD. IT'S THE ONE MACHINE. IT DOES
26:48
Speaker 1: IT ALL. IT MANIPULATES A CHILD'S MENTAL HEALTH AND IT
26:51
Speaker 1: MANIPULATES A NATION'S POLITICS AND NARRATIVES FOR THE VERY SAME REASON. PROFIT.
26:58
Speaker 1: AND CONTROL. META JUST PAID TO MAKE THE LAWSUIT ABOUT
27:01
Speaker 1: THE CHILDREN GO AWAY, THE RECKONING FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT
27:04
Speaker 1: MACHINE DOES. WELL, THAT'S STILL OWNED. MY NEXT GUEST WALKED
27:07
Speaker 1: AWAY FROM BIG TECH, BUILT AN ALTERNATIVE TO IT. LET'S
27:09
Speaker 1: BRING HIM IN. JOINING ME NOW, JEFF DORNICK, FOUNDER AND
27:12
Speaker 1: CEO OF THE GREAT NEW SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM, PICKAXE. WELCOME, JEFF. LOOK,
27:18
Speaker 1: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OFFLINE A LOT, ABOUT WHAT KIND
27:20
Speaker 1: OF THINGS META DOES BEHIND THE SCENES TO TRAP PEOPLE
27:24
Speaker 1: ON THE PLATFORM, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PAYOUTS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH
27:26
Speaker 1: THE ALGORITHM MANIPULATION AND And you created a platform in
27:29
Speaker 1: the alternative to Facebook and Meta and all these other
27:32
Speaker 1: platforms in order to provide an opportunity for people to
27:34
Speaker 1: speak freely without algorithms determining the communications that can occur.
27:37
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that in a second. But first, let's
27:39
Speaker 1: talk about this Meta lawsuit. I mean, you're not surprised
27:42
Speaker 1: to see this, right?
27:45
Speaker 8: What's interesting is I feel like there's some interesting nuanced
27:47
Speaker 8: conversations to have around this settlement. You know, one is
27:51
Speaker 8: in regards to the payouts, which would be really interesting
27:53
Speaker 8: to dive into. But I think specifically when you're dealing
27:56
Speaker 8: with kids, I'm of the opinion that nobody under the
27:59
Speaker 8: age of 18 should really be on these social media platforms,
28:02
Speaker 8: let alone, you know, as young as 13 years old.
28:05
Speaker 8: Oftentimes parents let even younger kids on there. I don't
28:08
Speaker 8: think that kids should be allowed on any social media
28:11
Speaker 8: platform where they have access to outside people.
28:15
Speaker 1: You deal with predators.
28:16
Speaker 8: You deal with all these different psychological issues and all that. Now,
28:19
Speaker 8: should the government get involved? That's an entirely different conversation.
28:22
Speaker 8: What's interesting about a lot of these– You know, regulations
28:26
Speaker 8: that are now going to be in place based upon
28:28
Speaker 8: the settlement is that, yes, it's going to, quote.
28:32
Speaker 1: Unquote, help maybe.
28:33
Speaker 8: But also on the flip side, if you're allowing kids
28:36
Speaker 8: to be on there, even if it's for up to
28:38
Speaker 8: two hours a day on these social media platforms. Is
28:41
Speaker 8: that good for their psychological health? Because when you think
28:45
Speaker 8: about it, they're still going to be comparing themselves to
28:47
Speaker 8: their classmates. They're still going to be comparing themselves to celebrities.
28:50
Speaker 8: They're still going to be dealing with all the same things.
28:52
Speaker 8: It's maybe just for only quote unquote two hours. When
28:55
Speaker 8: they get out of school, what.
28:56
Speaker 1: Three o'clock?
28:57
Speaker 8: If they have after school activities, when you actually think
29:01
Speaker 8: about it, that still takes up a really big chunk
29:03
Speaker 8: of the evening. I don't know if this is necessarily
29:05
Speaker 8: going to be that much of a net positive when
29:08
Speaker 8: you actually look at the implementation of it.
29:11
Speaker 1: Well, and then for that is why you've built an
29:14
Speaker 1: alternative social media platform, because if this doesn't fix that problem,
29:18
Speaker 1: the only answer is to go off platform. But, you know,
29:21
Speaker 1: people are going to still want the opportunity to engage
29:24
Speaker 1: in social media. So talk about Pickaxe. What alternative does
29:27
Speaker 1: Pickaxe offer to Meta?
29:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we're taking it back to the original, you know,
29:33
Speaker 8: actually making a social network, you know, type platform, whereas
29:37
Speaker 8: right now what you've got is you have all of
29:38
Speaker 8: these algorithms that dictate what you see. And so it's
29:41
Speaker 8: not as much about who you're connected with, but what
29:44
Speaker 8: kind of content that they think that they can addict
29:46
Speaker 8: you or get you a good, you know, dopamine hit
29:48
Speaker 8: with in order to, you know, throw that in there.
29:50
Speaker 8: And so that's why people go on to Facebook and
29:52
Speaker 8: they're like, I just want to hang out with my
29:53
Speaker 8: friends and my family and see what my grandma's doing,
29:55
Speaker 8: see what my grandkids doing and all of that. And
29:58
Speaker 8: they can't see that because they're being inundated with all
30:00
Speaker 8: these random posts from all these random people because the
30:03
Speaker 8: algorithm thinks that that will give them that dopamine hit.
30:06
Speaker 8: So what we're doing is we're actually making it about
30:08
Speaker 8: who you follow, who you connect with, and actually trying
30:11
Speaker 8: to make it social. And what's very, very interesting is
30:15
Speaker 8: that we're actually seeing positivity. Like we had one of
30:19
Speaker 8: our top users on the platform, and she goes by
30:21
Speaker 8: Feral Housewife, She says, you know, when you come on
30:23
Speaker 8: a pickaxe, it's your joy scrolling. You're not doom scrolling because, like,
30:27
Speaker 8: it's really hard to find a negative post on there
30:29
Speaker 8: because you're not just being inflamed by all this crazy
30:33
Speaker 8: rhetoric and fighting and all of that because that's all
30:36
Speaker 8: induced by the algorithms. By taking out the algorithms, you
30:39
Speaker 8: take away a lot of these negative ramifications.
30:41
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I think all these social media platforms,
30:45
Speaker 1: certainly Facebook and even MySpace, started as these places like
30:49
Speaker 1: you built Pickaxe to be, a place for you just
30:51
Speaker 1: to reconnect with family. And that's why Facebook got known
30:54
Speaker 1: as the boomer platform because that's how our generation kind
30:58
Speaker 1: of grew up. Like, oh, I can share pictures of
31:00
Speaker 1: the family. I can stay in touch with family. It
31:03
Speaker 1: wasn't until like Reels really started taking over places like
31:06
Speaker 1: TikTok and that migrated over to places like Instagram. And
31:09
Speaker 1: when Instagram kind of TOOK FACEBOOK AND MADE FACEBOOK INTO
31:12
Speaker 1: MORE OF A REAL AND SORT OF GETTING STUCK ON
31:15
Speaker 1: A PLATFORM. X IS STARTING TO MERGE A LITTLE BIT
31:17
Speaker 1: WITH MORE VIDEO CONTENT VERSUS JUST SPEECH AND THE ALGORITHMS
31:20
Speaker 1: ARE MESSING WITH IT THERE. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS.
31:23
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY ALL THESE PLATFORMS ARE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES. THEY REALIZE
31:28
Speaker 1: THAT THERE'S PROFIT in going from just a platform where
31:31
Speaker 1: you can just communicate with people and share pictures and
31:33
Speaker 1: feel good to, wait a second, I can keep somebody
31:36
Speaker 1: hooked on content. And they know how long you spend
31:39
Speaker 1: before you scroll, and this is something you want to see,
31:41
Speaker 1: and it gets you locked in. So they know that's profitable.
31:45
Speaker 1: And then now people have changed their habits, too, kids
31:48
Speaker 1: and even adults. I'll even do it sometimes. I'll sit
31:50
Speaker 1: there and scroll just because it keeps giving me things
31:53
Speaker 1: that I find funny or interesting. So is the natural
31:56
Speaker 1: evolution of these platforms from joy scrolling to doom scrolling
32:00
Speaker 1: because these habits become, one, addictive and, two, profitable? I mean,
32:03
Speaker 1: or is there a way to retrain people to leave
32:07
Speaker 1: these platforms and go back to just hanging out with
32:08
Speaker 1: each other?
32:10
Speaker 8: Yeah, what's interesting on Pickaxe is that we're actually having
32:12
Speaker 8: to physically train people and reteach people how to be
32:14
Speaker 8: social again on social.
32:16
Speaker 1: Media, which is crazy.
32:17
Speaker 8: But what's really interesting is like when you actually sit
32:20
Speaker 8: there and think about it, you have to look at
32:22
Speaker 8: it from the prism.
32:23
Speaker 1: Of these big tech platforms, okay?
32:24
Speaker 8: So for them, their end game is not the social
32:27
Speaker 8: media platform in and of itself. It's the data collection.
32:30
Speaker 8: If you look at X, you look at meta, you
32:32
Speaker 8: look at all these platforms, what are they all doing?
32:34
Speaker 8: They're building large language models in order to develop artificial
32:37
Speaker 8: intelligence and And so everything that you do on the
32:39
Speaker 8: platform is allowing them to build a profile about you,
32:42
Speaker 8: is allowing them to collect your data, to be able
32:44
Speaker 8: to get the aggregate information across all the users that
32:48
Speaker 8: all funnels into the large language model to try to
32:50
Speaker 8: make them the most effective artificial intelligence out there. And
32:54
Speaker 8: so when you're scrolling through, they're calculating if you stop
32:57
Speaker 8: and glance at a post, whether or not you engage
32:59
Speaker 8: with it. They count how many split seconds it will
33:03
Speaker 8: hold your attention. Some of these platforms, they actually have
33:05
Speaker 8: the ability to see where your eyes are scanning on
33:07
Speaker 8: the screen to know what holds your attention. They're able
33:10
Speaker 8: to know how close your thumb is to the screen,
33:13
Speaker 8: even if you don't actually touch it. to know, again,
33:15
Speaker 8: where is your attention being held? And so when you
33:18
Speaker 8: think about it from that standpoint, they're collecting all of
33:20
Speaker 8: that data. I would argue they probably know you and
33:23
Speaker 8: I a lot more than we know ourselves. And I
33:24
Speaker 8: think that that's where bringing it back to the settlement.
33:27
Speaker 8: I think that that's where all of this is so concerning,
33:29
Speaker 8: because because when you look at, like, for example, where
33:31
Speaker 8: the payouts are going, so they're paying out something like
33:34
Speaker 8: 17 billion dollars. That's not going to parents and children
33:38
Speaker 8: that have been affected by this. This is actually going
33:41
Speaker 8: to state governments. And oftentimes it's going to the general fund.
33:44
Speaker 8: You know, it's going to like, for example, in the
33:45
Speaker 8: state of California, they're getting tens of millions, maybe even
33:48
Speaker 8: hundreds of millions of dollars settlement. And it's going to
33:50
Speaker 8: be going to NGOs. It's going to be going to
33:52
Speaker 8: all these different programs. And a certain percentage of it
33:54
Speaker 8: can actually go into just the general budget. Is this
33:57
Speaker 8: really actually helping to solve the problem? Or on the
34:01
Speaker 8: other hand, it could also be partially a cash grab
34:04
Speaker 8: by a lot of these states.
34:04
Speaker 1: Think about it.
34:05
Speaker 8: Florida was only one of the only states that didn't
34:08
Speaker 8: actually participate in this lawsuit. And they're also one of
34:11
Speaker 8: the most conservative out there. So I think that there's
34:13
Speaker 8: two things could be true at the same time. Facebook
34:16
Speaker 8: and Meta could be very predatory. And then also on
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Speaker 8: the other side, it could also be a cash grab
34:19
Speaker 8: by a lot of these states.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you've given me a lot to think about, Jeff.
34:23
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on and giving your take.
34:26
Speaker 1: As always, congratulations on the success of Pickaxe and teaching
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Speaker 1: people how to be social again. I think we need
34:31
Speaker 1: it now more than ever. Look forward to having you
34:33
Speaker 1: on again. We'll see you, my friend. Thank you. Appreciate it.
34:37
Speaker 1: When we come back in Oregon, activists spent three years
34:42
Speaker 1: trying to make it a crime to go fishing or hunting. Seriously,
34:46
Speaker 1: we got the story on that. And later, President Trump
34:49
Speaker 1: renamed Canada's lake and our friends up north are melting
34:53
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34:56
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Speaker 1: Hunting and fishing, they've been part of the human existence
35:46
Speaker 1: for centuries, and the right of Americans to feed themselves
35:49
Speaker 1: off the land, it's ingrained in our American spirit itself.
35:53
Speaker 1: But did you know that in the state of Oregon,
35:56
Speaker 1: a group of activists just spent three years and $ 300, 000
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Speaker 1: chasing one single goal, to make it a crime to
36:04
Speaker 1: go fishing, to hunt a deer in the fall, to
36:07
Speaker 1: raise cattle on your own land. They wanted every bit
36:10
Speaker 1: of it. CLASSIFIED UNDER THE LAW AS ANIMAL ABUSE. THE
36:14
Speaker 1: SAME AS BEATING A DOG. NOW, FOR THE THIRD TIME
36:18
Speaker 1: IN A ROW, IT FAILED, AND ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
36:20
Speaker 1: CONSERVATIVES ARE MAKING SURE PEOPLE LIKE THESE NEVER, EVER WIN.
36:25
Speaker 1: THE MEASURE WAS CALLED INITIATIVE PETITION 28, AND THEY GAVE
36:29
Speaker 1: IT A SWEET LITTLE NAME. THEY CALLED IT THE PISA ACT.
36:31
Speaker 1: What it actually did was strip out the parts of
36:34
Speaker 1: Oregon law that protect hunting, fishing, trapping, and farming from
36:37
Speaker 1: being prosecuted as animal cruelty and pass it. And roughly
36:42
Speaker 1: a million ordinary Oregonians, every licensed hunter, every angler, every rancher, well,
36:48
Speaker 1: they became criminals overnight if this thing were to pass.
36:51
Speaker 1: It was so sweeping, it would have erased the treaty
36:54
Speaker 1: rights of Oregon's own native tribes and gutted a $ 4
36:57
Speaker 1: billion farming economy. And the man behind it Well, he
37:01
Speaker 1: didn't hide the ball. Look.
37:03
Speaker 3: When we intentionally slaughter them, hunt them, fish them, experiment
37:06
Speaker 3: on them, those are not considered animal abuse because there's
37:09
Speaker 3: a separate state law that says the following list of
37:12
Speaker 3: activities are exempt from our cruelty laws, from those protections.
37:16
Speaker 3: And the initiative, the main effect that it has is
37:18
Speaker 3: it removes those exemptions.
37:20
Speaker 1: That is exactly the person I would imagine to be
37:23
Speaker 1: in favor of something like this, right? He admits it
37:26
Speaker 1: right there, right? He slaughtered, hunting, fishing. His initiative would
37:29
Speaker 1: have stripped away the law that kept those from being crimes.
37:32
Speaker 1: And look, he has told you something else. He concedes
37:37
Speaker 1: this measure was never really built to pass this year.
37:40
Speaker 1: He calls it the long game. An initiative, in his
37:44
Speaker 1: own words, that he intends to bring to states all
37:47
Speaker 1: over this country. And I'm sure there's people like look
37:50
Speaker 1: like him crazy enough to try to make this a law,
37:55
Speaker 1: moving the goalposts a little at a time. One day,
37:59
Speaker 1: a majority will say yes to this. It's not a
38:01
Speaker 1: one-off stunt in Portland. It's a national campaign and hunting
38:04
Speaker 1: and fishing in America. And honestly, can you think of
38:07
Speaker 1: somewhere else where they make it illegal to hunt and
38:09
Speaker 1: fish or grow your own vegetables? That's right, places like Cuba.
38:13
Speaker 1: weird little communist countries, and weird little people promoting the
38:17
Speaker 1: same policies. Now, look, that petition fell 13,000 signatures short
38:22
Speaker 1: of getting on the ballot, buried by an army of hunters, farmers, ranchers,
38:26
Speaker 1: tribal members, and even Oregon Democrats. But the man behind
38:29
Speaker 1: it has promised, like every villain, and I could see
38:33
Speaker 1: him wearing one of them little hoods, and he will
38:36
Speaker 1: be back, which is exactly why conservatives are done playing around.
38:39
Speaker 1: 24 states have already written the right to hunt and
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Speaker 1: fish directly into their constitutions, starting with Vermont back in 1777,
38:46
Speaker 1: and most recently, Florida just two years ago. And right
38:49
Speaker 1: now in Oregon, the Republican nominee for governor, Christine Drazen,
38:52
Speaker 1: she's pushing an amendment to do the very same thing,
38:55
Speaker 1: to lock this right into the state constitution. So no
38:57
Speaker 1: activist with a clipboard or a weird bald head and
39:01
Speaker 1: vegan eating skinniness ever put up for a vote again,
39:07
Speaker 1: because this was never really about FISH HUNTING OR THE
39:10
Speaker 1: ABILITY TO CONSERVE THAT KEEPS AMERICA'S WILDLIFE ALIVE. AND THE
39:15
Speaker 1: HUNTERS AND ANGLERS ARE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR IT.
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Speaker 1: $ 55 MILLION A YEAR, OREGONIAN LICENSES ALONE. THE WAR ON
39:22
Speaker 1: AMERICAN HUNTING IS A WAR ON RURAL AMERICA ITSELF. AND
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Speaker 1: MY NEXT GUEST, HE SPENT HIS CAREER LEADING THAT FIGHT,
39:29
Speaker 1: THE nation's premier hunting and conservation group. Let's bring him
39:32
Speaker 1: in now. Joining me now is Luke Higelman. He's the
39:35
Speaker 1: CEO of the International Order of Roosevelt, and he's protecting
39:38
Speaker 1: the right to fish and hunt. He's behind the action
39:42
Speaker 1: in Florida that protected it there, and I remember voting
39:45
Speaker 1: for it. Thank you so much for being here today, Luke.
39:47
Speaker 1: Talk about the fight ahead, and are you becoming successful
39:50
Speaker 1: in other states to keep people who don't want you
39:52
Speaker 1: to be able to feed yourselves from winning?
39:55
Speaker 9: Absolutely, David.
39:56
Speaker 10: Every day we stand in the arena at IOTR to
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Speaker 10: protect what's the purest thing we can think of, right?
40:02
Speaker 10: The ability to go outside, catch a fish, harvest wild game,
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Speaker 10: bring that meat and those resources back to your family,
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Speaker 10: your friends, your neighbors, and share in these fundamental freedoms
40:13
Speaker 10: that have been a part of our existence since the
40:15
Speaker 10: beginning of humankind, right?
40:17
Speaker 9: That's what we do every day at IOTR. And we
40:20
Speaker 9: are blessed to have 15 states now that are looking
40:24
Speaker 9: at establishing a constitutional right to hunt and fish after
40:28
Speaker 9: the successful campaign that we spearheaded in Florida to make
40:32
Speaker 9: Florida the 24th state with a constitutionally protected right to
40:36
Speaker 9: fish and hunt.
40:37
Speaker 10: Nearly 7 million people in your state in Florida voted
40:41
Speaker 10: with us to make this a constitutionally protected right, push
40:45
Speaker 10: back against these radical animal rights fanatics that are trying
40:49
Speaker 10: to make it a crime to catch a fish in America.
40:52
Speaker 9: And that's what we do every day at IOTR.
40:54
Speaker 10: We are now on the ballot in Colorado, thanks to
40:58
Speaker 10: the investments of our incredible donors and working with 184,000
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Speaker 10: people in Colorado who stepped forward to sign our ballot petition.
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Speaker 10: We are on the verge of making Colorado the 25th
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Speaker 10: state to have a constitutionally protected right to hunt and fish,
41:15
Speaker 10: to make sure that people have access to the outdoors,
41:18
Speaker 10: that science drives wildlife management, and to make sure that
41:22
Speaker 10: the billions of dollars worth of conservation investments that we
41:25
Speaker 10: make through our license fees, through our purchases of the
41:28
Speaker 10: gear that we take to the field with us, that
41:30
Speaker 10: that continues in America beyond our generation.
41:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm so glad you're doing this. Whether you
41:37
Speaker 1: hunt or not, the idea is people who don't believe it.
41:41
Speaker 1: And this has nothing to do with really what they say.
41:45
Speaker 1: It's not cruelty. I mean, I think they just don't
41:48
Speaker 1: like hunting. And that's the situation. They just don't like it.
41:51
Speaker 1: So they want to make it so people can feed themselves.
41:53
Speaker 1: And what would they prefer instead? Because the human rights
41:56
Speaker 1: abuses and the way they make food internationally was why
41:59
Speaker 1: a lot of the disease that sometimes is an imported food,
42:02
Speaker 1: which is why we promote local food production, farmers markets
42:06
Speaker 1: and being able to go out and shoot your own meat,
42:09
Speaker 1: fill your freezer for the winter or go and fish.
42:11
Speaker 1: That is about as healthy as you can be. And
42:14
Speaker 1: it is about as least impactful on the supply chain
42:16
Speaker 1: and everything else. It makes no sense because the alternative
42:20
Speaker 1: would be way worse, not to mention what you just mentioned.
42:22
Speaker 1: OVERPOPULATION OF ANIMALS, IF YOU'RE NOT HUNTING THE ANIMALS OR
42:24
Speaker 1: FISHING THE FISH, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE ECOLOGICAL IMBALANCE?
42:27
Speaker 1: I MEAN, WE ARE PREDATORS. WE'RE MADE TO EAT THIS STUFF.
42:30
Speaker 1: AND IF YOU DON'T EAT THEM, WELL, THAT CAUSES THEIR
42:31
Speaker 1: OWN PROBLEMS. AND I THOUGHT LIBERALS HATED COW FARTS DESTROYING
42:34
Speaker 1: THE OZONE LAYER OR WHATEVER. IF WE DON'T HUNT, LOOK
42:38
Speaker 1: AT ALL THE DEER FARTS THAT WILL PUT A HOLE
42:40
Speaker 1: IN THE OZONE LAYER. NOW WE'LL HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. SO
42:43
Speaker 1: IT WON'T BE LONG, SIR. IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE
42:45
Speaker 1: THEY NOT ONLY BAN HUNTING AND FISHING, BUT THEN THEY'LL
42:48
Speaker 1: SLAUGHTER THE DEER THEMSELVES TO PR That's how insane this is.
42:53
Speaker 1: You know what I don't understand? The same people that
42:56
Speaker 1: want to abort children at birth, like to abort babies.
42:59
Speaker 1: And they're out there in front of courtrooms, like cheering
43:03
Speaker 1: for Clancy after she murdered her children. They want to
43:06
Speaker 1: protect animals, but they don't want to protect human life.
43:09
Speaker 1: That's how insane this is. Luke, keep up the fight.
43:12
Speaker 1: And thank you for preserving our ability to fish and hunt.
43:15
Speaker 9: It's great to be with you.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, David.
43:16
Speaker 1: Thank you. Still ahead, Canada walked away from a trade
43:21
Speaker 1: deal to look tough. So President Trump took a marker
43:24
Speaker 1: to the map and renamed Lake Ontario Lake America. I
43:29
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Speaker 1: Well, he did it. Donald Trump spent this entire week
45:17
Speaker 1: locked in an all-out trade war with Canada. And today, today,
45:22
Speaker 1: he did something glorious to remind our friends up north
45:26
Speaker 1: exactly who's in charge. That's right. He sat down in
45:29
Speaker 1: the Oval Office, picked up a pen, signed an executive
45:32
Speaker 1: order renaming one of the Great Lakes, formerly known as
45:36
Speaker 1: Lake Ontario, you know, the one that's sitting in between
45:40
Speaker 1: Canada and the United States. and he renamed it Lake America.
45:48
Speaker 1: That's right. As far as the United States government is concerned,
45:51
Speaker 1: Lake Ontario is now Lake America. And I think it
45:55
Speaker 1: has a great ring to it. He first floated the
45:57
Speaker 1: idea on Tuesday on True Social in a post so
46:01
Speaker 1: perfectly Trump that I'm just going to read it to
46:03
Speaker 1: you word for word. He says, the United States is
46:05
Speaker 1: giving serious consideration to changing the name of Lake Ontario
46:09
Speaker 1: to Lake America, and that we don't expect to be
46:13
Speaker 1: doing much business with Ontario any longer. Thank you for
46:16
Speaker 1: your attention to this matter. And the Canadians did what, well,
46:20
Speaker 1: the Canadians do. They got upset, in a polite way.
46:24
Speaker 1: Here's the Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford.
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Speaker 11: We're strong believers in being a sovereign country, and when
46:32
Speaker 11: President Trump wants to attack our sovereignty you know, businesses
46:38
Speaker 11: and people in Ontario, I can't roll over.
46:42
Speaker 1: Well, Flitzer, he's still looking pretty good. I mean, he's
46:45
Speaker 1: been in the game a long time. A LOT OF RHETORIC, RIGHT?
46:49
Speaker 1: HE SAID THAT ON TUESDAY. AND THEN ON THURSDAY, TODAY,
46:55
Speaker 1: THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SIGNED THE EXECUTIVE ORDER
46:57
Speaker 1: AND MADE IT OFFICIAL, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THAT'S RIGHT. LAKE AMERICA
47:02
Speaker 1: EVEN POSTED A VIDEO OF HIMSELF TAKING A BLACK MARKER
47:04
Speaker 1: TO THE MAP AND CROSSING THE OLD NAME OUT BY HAND.
47:07
Speaker 1: SO MUCH FOR RHETORIC, CANADA. Since it's a shared body
47:14
Speaker 1: of water, Canada governs its own shoreline, and Washington can't
47:18
Speaker 1: force Canada or anybody else to call it anything but
47:22
Speaker 1: what they've always called it, Lake Ontario. But in the
47:25
Speaker 1: United States, it's going to be Lake America, just like
47:30
Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico. Other countries can call it Gulf
47:32
Speaker 1: of Mexico, but in America, it's the Gulf of America.
47:35
Speaker 1: And so while every federal agency in this country is
47:38
Speaker 1: going to call it Gulf of America, everyone else can
47:40
Speaker 1: figure out, or Lake America, everyone else can figure out
47:42
Speaker 1: what they're going to call it. It doesn't matter. The
47:44
Speaker 1: point is this. FOR DECADES, CANADA TREATED THE MOST POWERFUL
47:48
Speaker 1: NATION ON EARTH LIKE ITS PERSONAL PIGGYBANK. ITS PRIME MINISTER
47:52
Speaker 1: WALKED AWAY FROM A FAIR TRADE DEAL AND LOOKED FOR
47:55
Speaker 1: ATTENTION FROM THE CAMERAS. AND WHILE MARK CARNEY WAS BUSY
47:58
Speaker 1: PUFFING OUT HIS CHEST ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
48:00
Speaker 1: UNITED STATES REACHED OVER AND RENAMED THE LAKE TO MAKE
48:04
Speaker 1: A POINT THAT WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT. WE'RE AMERICA.
48:09
Speaker 1: AND IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT WE PUBLICLY SAY HOW PROUD
48:12
Speaker 1: WE ARE TO BE AMERICAN. THE CANADIANS HAVE NO PROBLEM
48:15
Speaker 1: BEING PROUD ABOUT BEING CANADIAN, SO WHY CAN'T WE BE
48:18
Speaker 1: PROUD OF BEING AMERICA? WE DON'T HAVE TO NAME THE
48:20
Speaker 1: LAKE AFTER ONTARIO. NOW, MY NEXT GUEST HAS SOME THOUGHTS
48:23
Speaker 1: THAT HE HEARD WHEN HE WAS IN THAT ROOM WITH
48:25
Speaker 1: PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE EVEN GOT A GREAT QUESTION IN. JOINING
48:28
Speaker 1: ME NOW, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT DANIEL BALDWIN. WELCOME BACK
48:31
Speaker 1: TO DAVE POLLACK PRIME TIME. I LOVE THIS. I WANT
48:34
Speaker 1: TO GET THE HAT, THE SHIRT, THE LUNCH BOX. You know,
48:37
Speaker 1: the metal one with the matching thermos. I love Lake America.
48:40
Speaker 1: Tell me about it today. What happened?
48:43
Speaker 12: Well, it's fascinating, David, because you mentioned that social media
48:47
Speaker 12: post that the president put up last night. If you
48:49
Speaker 12: actually go through the four major social media platforms, TikTok, X, Facebook, Instagram,
48:56
Speaker 12: it's garnered probably around 30 million, maybe more eyeballs and
49:00
Speaker 12: views in its entirety. So he got everyone's attention and
49:04
Speaker 12: then he actually went through with it today. And when
49:06
Speaker 12: you read the executive order that he signed, it's actually
49:09
Speaker 12: really fascinating. I think it's really important to to read
49:12
Speaker 12: these executive orders. And what it notes is that Lake
49:17
Speaker 12: America now has been a key asset and a very
49:20
Speaker 12: important part to America's heritage and history. But it also
49:24
Speaker 12: notes that the United States supplies nine of the 11
49:28
Speaker 12: icebreaking vessels that help secure the Great Plains. It also
49:33
Speaker 12: notes that the United States has nearly invested $ 4 billion
49:37
Speaker 12: over the last 10 years in protecting the Great Lakes
49:40
Speaker 12: freshwater ecosystem, while Canada has invested a lot less in
49:46
Speaker 12: similar initiatives over the same period of time. And I
49:49
Speaker 12: made these two points because they were layered in that
49:52
Speaker 12: executive order, and it sort of highlights— To your point,
49:56
Speaker 12: what you were saying in your little open there, that
49:58
Speaker 12: the United States has carried Canada's water in this relationship
50:01
Speaker 12: for a significant period of time. And this is sort
50:04
Speaker 12: of a symbolic move to put Canada on notice. And
50:07
Speaker 12: the president's just saying, we're ending this part of our relationship.
50:10
Speaker 12: This isn't happening anymore. And this is sort of the
50:13
Speaker 12: symbolic stamp of that, if you will.
50:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it for so many reasons. One,
50:19
Speaker 1: why not? I mean, why did we have the Gulf
50:21
Speaker 1: of Mexico? It borders most of America. Why is it
50:24
Speaker 1: called Lake Ontario if it borders the United States just
50:28
Speaker 1: the same? For the longest time, and this is really
50:31
Speaker 1: at the heart of this trade deal. Now, I think,
50:33
Speaker 1: Mark Carney, by the way, I think he's trying, I
50:35
Speaker 1: think he's being pressured by China to do more deals
50:38
Speaker 1: with China, and he's feeling bowled. I think he's going
50:41
Speaker 1: to learn very quick that making friends with China and
50:43
Speaker 1: abandoning the reliance on their closest ally to the South
50:46
Speaker 1: is a bad idea long-term for Canada. But that's Canada's problem.
50:49
Speaker 1: Canada loves him. Canada loves Carney, regardless of his beef
50:52
Speaker 1: with Trump. It's only making him more popular. So, you know,
50:55
Speaker 1: the Canadian people are going to suffer as a result.
50:57
Speaker 1: But put that aside for a second. BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING,
51:00
Speaker 1: YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES AND HAS THIS TREMENDOUS POWER,
51:04
Speaker 1: TREMENDOUS WEALTH. WE'VE HAD SINCE WORLD WAR II WE'VE BEEN
51:07
Speaker 1: THIS DOMINANT SUPERPOWER AND FOR SOME REASON IN THIS COUNTRY
51:11
Speaker 1: WE'VE DECIDED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED ABOUT.
51:14
Speaker 1: EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IS ALLOWED TO BE PROUD.
51:16
Speaker 1: EVERYBODY GOES TO THE, COMES TO THE UNITED STATES AND
51:18
Speaker 1: WAVES WHEREVER FLAG THEY CAME FROM BUT WAVE THE AMERICAN
51:21
Speaker 1: FLAG AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S OFFENSIVE. IT'S GOT
51:24
Speaker 1: TO THE POINT WHERE HAVING NATIONAL PRIDE SOMEHOW IS SOMETHING
51:28
Speaker 1: WE SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED OF. NATIONALISM IS SOMETHING THAT'S A
51:31
Speaker 1: DIRTY WORD. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT, HE GOES,
51:34
Speaker 1: KNOW WHAT? THE GULF OF AMERICA, THAT BELONGS TO US.
51:36
Speaker 1: NOW THIS LAKE BELONGS TO US. AND CANADA, IF YOU
51:38
Speaker 1: DON'T WANT TO TRADE WITH US, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. WE
51:40
Speaker 1: DON'T NEED YOUR STUFF. That's what I think is so
51:42
Speaker 1: symbolic about this. I don't think it's petty. I don't
51:45
Speaker 1: think it's just Trump being like, haha, I'm just going
51:47
Speaker 1: to change the name. I think this is bigger than that.
51:49
Speaker 1: I think it's Trump asserting American dominance over everybody in
51:52
Speaker 1: our region, in our hemisphere, and saying, look, this is
51:55
Speaker 1: America and we are not ashamed, right?
51:57
Speaker 12: Americans' permission, if you will, to be proud of the
52:03
Speaker 12: country again, it's sort of similar to him cleaning up Washington, D.C.,
52:07
Speaker 12: and saying, we should be proud and we should want
52:11
Speaker 12: to keep things clean and we should be proud.
52:12
Speaker 1: To be Americans.
52:13
Speaker 12: And he's also noting, again, why is it named Ontario
52:18
Speaker 12: if we are the ones who have essentially carried the relationship?
52:23
Speaker 12: The White House put out a big fact statement, fact
52:26
Speaker 12: sheet this week, titled, President Trump is finally ending Canada's
52:30
Speaker 12: free ride. And in it, it sort of lays out
52:34
Speaker 12: many of the things that Canada has done that has
52:37
Speaker 12: put American farmers or different types of workers at a
52:41
Speaker 12: significant disadvantage. And the president feels comfortable utilizing— this has been
52:45
Speaker 12: a trend of the entire Trump 2.0 administration, David. The
52:49
Speaker 12: president is very comfortable utilizing the leverage that the greatest
52:53
Speaker 12: and biggest economy of the world has offered him. The
52:56
Speaker 12: United States' economy is 13 times bigger than Canada's. 75%
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Speaker 12: of Canadian exports go to the United States. I believe
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Speaker 12: in 2024, more than 90% of the Canadian automobile exports
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Speaker 12: went to the United States. That's a lot of money,
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Speaker 12: and that's a lot of reliance that one economy has
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Speaker 12: on the other, and President Trump knows that. He understands
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Speaker 12: that Canada is overly reliant on the American economy, and
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Speaker 12: that is why he's comfortable doing this, because he recognizes
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Speaker 12: he has all the leverage in the world, and he finally,
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Speaker 12: at this point in time, we have a president who's
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Speaker 12: not afraid to use that leverage to make good deals
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Speaker 12: for the United States.
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Speaker 1: You see, Daniel, that is why you're President Trump's I'M
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Speaker 1: NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO
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Speaker 1: TALK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
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Speaker 1: I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING.
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Speaker 5: Sending to Canada with this move today?
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Speaker 1: Why was it such an.
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Speaker 5: Important thing to do?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's an interesting question.
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Speaker 1: No message.
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Speaker 9: As you know, Canada's been ripping us off for a
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Speaker 9: long time on trade, very sadly. Even the military. You know,
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Speaker 9: we defend Canada for nothing.
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Speaker 6: We don't get anything.
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Speaker 11: They don't pay us to defend.
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Speaker 9: Canada, but we defend Canada.
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Speaker 1: Exactly as you laid out, Daniel. No message. They've been
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Speaker 1: ripping us off. And this is his way, again, another
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Speaker 1: piece of leverage to say, Canada, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: push us around anymore, right? I think the American fake
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Speaker 1: news is angrier about it than Canada is. And that's
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Speaker 1: the best part. How can you do this? They're so upset.
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Speaker 1: Even Hillary Clinton was posting on X today. It's still
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Speaker 1: Lake Ontario. And then she turned off her comments. What
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Speaker 1: a coward. Daniel Baldwin, thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 1: Great reporting, as always. Look forward to talking to you
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