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School girl lured from family dinner by online predator, choked-collared, assaulted. Cyber Crimes: 'Don't Be A Victim' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, when you're a
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Speaker 1: child is on a playground or a ball filled or
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Speaker 1: a park, you can watch them. If some perv comes
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Speaker 1: up to them, you can totally tackle them at the
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Speaker 1: knees and take them down right. But the new playground,
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Speaker 1: and it's not so easy. Don't be a victim fighting
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Speaker 1: back against America's crime wave. It took me over two
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Speaker 1: years to research and write this book for you, for
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Speaker 1: you and your children. My proceeds are going to the
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Speaker 1: National Center for Missing Unexploited Children, and that's not what
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Speaker 1: this book is about. This book is to help you
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Speaker 1: to arm you with knowledge to save your life or
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Speaker 1: your children's lives. I go straight into cyber threats to
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Speaker 1: protect your children, first of all, take a list of
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Speaker 1: to this well. On New Year'sday two thousand and two,
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Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, I walked outside to meet this
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Speaker 1: person who I thought was my friend. Just than giving
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Speaker 1: him for a couple of minutes, I really think I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to say him, well, he show up, say hi.
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Speaker 1: Driving through tone. What she does remember is slipping out
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Speaker 1: of her front door into the bitter coal of January
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Speaker 1: night my intuition and said, Alicia, you need to go home.
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Speaker 1: This is really dangerous. What are you doing? And I
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Speaker 1: went to turn around and I heard my name being called.
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Speaker 1: The next thing I knew was in a car and
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Speaker 1: this man was squeezing my hand so tightly, and he
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Speaker 1: was barking commands at me, be good, be quiet. The
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Speaker 1: trunks cleaned out for you. He drove me about five
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Speaker 1: hours from my Pittsburgh home to his house in Virginia,
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Speaker 1: where I was held captive in his basement dungeon. He
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Speaker 1: kept me chained to the floor by a locking dog
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Speaker 1: collar and I was reaped and beaten and tortured. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't fed, and he also broke my nose. At the time,
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Speaker 1: Alicia was just a little girl, but she survived and
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Speaker 1: she's joining us today. She was targeted by a cyber
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Speaker 1: child predator. With me an all star panel to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. How can
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Speaker 1: you keep your children safe from a threat you can't
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Speaker 1: even see? With me, Alicia kozy Kevitz, you can find
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Speaker 1: her at Alicia kozat with kay dot com to Tanya Jordan.
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Speaker 1: She is a CMO chief marketing officer of Bark, which
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Speaker 1: we use in our home. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: juvenile expert, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: Detective Rich with Stocky his new website, cyber Apparenting Dash
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Speaker 1: one O one dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and with Me Crimoline dot com. Investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie.
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Speaker 1: But first to Alisha kozy Kevitz. Alicia, I can't thank
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Speaker 1: you enough for joining us because I know how painful.
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Speaker 1: Actually I don't know. I don't want to know, but
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Speaker 1: I can imagine how painful it is for you to
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Speaker 1: talk about Scott Tyree and what happened to you. And
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Speaker 1: I know the only reason you do it is to
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Speaker 1: save other children's lives. How did Tyree worm into your
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Speaker 1: world as a little girl. Well, this was back in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, and the
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Speaker 1: Internet was really quite new in people's homes, and because
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Speaker 1: of that, my parents didn't know the dangers. They talk
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Speaker 1: to me about stranger danger, but that didn't work in
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Speaker 1: the online world because that's where I was talking to
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Speaker 1: all of my friends from school, who would introduce me
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Speaker 1: to their friends and then their friends, and we spent
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Speaker 1: an amount of time in chat rooms and s I
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Speaker 1: was talking to people I didn't really know all that well,
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Speaker 1: but it could all be traced back, so it felt
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Speaker 1: connected and I felt safe. I was in my home
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Speaker 1: and nothing and no one had ever hurt me there before.
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Speaker 1: And in this chat room, somebody messaged to me who
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Speaker 1: I thought was a boy around my own age, and
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Speaker 1: I had believed, because I was who I said I was,
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Speaker 1: that this person would be who they said they were.
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Speaker 1: And that is naive, yes, but kids are naive. Kids believe.
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Speaker 1: And I grew up in a bubble. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people have this idea that things only bad things only
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Speaker 1: happened to kids from broken families, or troubled families, or
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Speaker 1: troubled children, and I grew up in this fantasy bubble.
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Speaker 1: We had our issues as a family, but a really
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Speaker 1: typical average family in most people's minds. And what a
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Speaker 1: predator is looking for is a vulnerability. And it may
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Speaker 1: seem what vulnerability would I have? I had a happy childhood. Well,
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Speaker 1: all children are vulnerable. Kids can be one day on
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Speaker 1: top of the world. I'm so excited, and then the
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Speaker 1: next day they get a bad grade, or their crush
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Speaker 1: had no interest in them, or they get in the
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Speaker 1: fight with their friends, and now they feel awful. And
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Speaker 1: what a predator does is they wash over those insecurities
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Speaker 1: and make a child feel beautiful and important and especially unique.
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Speaker 1: And that's what the person did to me. They groomed me. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what it's called grooming. As Alicia Kasey Kevin's
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Speaker 1: is just pointing out, she survived being kidnapped and tortured.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. When she was only thirteen, she was groomed, lured,
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Speaker 1: and abducted by an internet predator, Scott Tyree, who kidnapped
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Speaker 1: me and held me captive in his basement dungeon, and
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Speaker 1: he was going to kill me, her disappearance setting off
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Speaker 1: a massive four day nationwide search. While Tyree kept Alicia
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Speaker 1: changed to the floor at his home in Virginia. He
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Speaker 1: had been live streaming what he was doing to me
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Speaker 1: online and they turned on the computer and there I
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Speaker 1: was on the screen with my hands bound above my head, crying, bleeding, begging,
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Speaker 1: bruised in between the beatings and the raping. He will
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Speaker 1: hang you by your arms. In two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 1: she testified in Congress in support of legislation intended to
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Speaker 1: prevent cyber crimes against children and the increasing amount of
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Speaker 1: photos and videos of child abuse. Support The children saved
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Speaker 1: us from pedophiles, the pornographers, the monsters. The bill passed
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Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate. Guys, you were hearing
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Speaker 1: John and Christos at kgmy thirteen. Alicia lived to tell
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Speaker 1: her story. And you know it's gotta be bad when
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Speaker 1: the kidnapper says her photo to another pedophile and he
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Speaker 1: feels so bad about it he calls the FBI. But
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Speaker 1: listen to Alicia with Sarah Danet KIMT three, there's no
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Speaker 1: words to subscribe the tear and the pain and the
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Speaker 1: loss of self and hopelessness that you can feel on
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Speaker 1: that situation. On the fourth day, Tyree told her they
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Speaker 1: would be taking a ride later and left for work.
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Speaker 1: Little did Alicia know the FBI was at work looking
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Speaker 1: for her. Later that day, agents finally found her chained
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Speaker 1: up in her abductor's bedroom. All of these agents Russian,
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Speaker 1: and they cut that collar from around my neck and
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Speaker 1: they set me free. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about how you can keep your children safe.
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Speaker 1: Don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave.
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Speaker 1: To Alicia cosy Kevitz, who is with us now? Alicia,
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Speaker 1: you were lulled into a seeming friendship with a guy
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Speaker 1: who purported to be your age and be your friend,
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Speaker 1: and when you stepped out, as you have said so poignantly,
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Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, he kidnapped you. You thought you
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Speaker 1: were meeting a little boy your age. It was a
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Speaker 1: grown man. And not only that, isn't it true, Alicia,
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Speaker 1: that he had been released from prison on parole without
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Speaker 1: his other victim knowing. Yes, I was not made aware
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Speaker 1: until I received a message from a reporter in Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: who had basically said, are you aware that so and so?
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Speaker 1: I don't never say his name, it's too painful. But
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Speaker 1: was released from prison, is now living in Pittsburgh in
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Speaker 1: a halfway house. Incredible from your parents' house. Incredible that
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Speaker 1: what happened? Join me to Detective Rich with Stocky at
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Speaker 1: cyber Parenting Dash one on one dot com Way in so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's so incredible these days, especially with online learning, that
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Speaker 1: parents need to understand in the days of the kids
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Speaker 1: having their own devices now, not just the computer in
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Speaker 1: the family room. The biggest mistake parents make right now
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Speaker 1: is allowing their children to have their devices in their
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Speaker 1: rooms at night. When you allow your child they have
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Speaker 1: their devices in the rooms at night, they feel empowered,
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Speaker 1: like much like Alicia did. They feel that nothing could
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Speaker 1: happen to them, that predator stuff happened somewhere else. The
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Speaker 1: next premise that parents have to understand is that there's
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Speaker 1: no such thing as privacy for children. That they buy
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Speaker 1: their kid the device, they are the ones that provide
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Speaker 1: the service, and if they're not monitoring remotely, like having
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Speaker 1: things like bark on the device. It's not that we
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Speaker 1: have bad kids, but it's these outside influences that can
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Speaker 1: get to your child late at night when their inhibitions
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Speaker 1: are lowered and they feel empowered. And that's how our
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Speaker 1: kids get victimized. But it starts with the parents and
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Speaker 1: having great technology talks with our children. Alicia Kausi keevits
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Speaker 1: your life and your family's life has forever been changed.
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Speaker 1: I know he founded the Alicia Project dot org. I
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Speaker 1: know you're a childless crusader, but what is your single
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Speaker 1: most important piece of advice to parents like me that
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Speaker 1: want to protect their children. Well, I've noticed that parents
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Speaker 1: have gone from clueless to complacent. When I first started
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Speaker 1: speaking out when I was fourteen years old, all those
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Speaker 1: years ago, and nobody was quite talking about this. People
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Speaker 1: didn't believe me that it was happening. I was called
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Speaker 1: a fearmonger, and parents down right said things to me like, well,
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Speaker 1: I know my child is not on my Space, which
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Speaker 1: is popular at the time, because I have the email
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Speaker 1: address for the house. They really believed that they had
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Speaker 1: one email address and that was all you got. And
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Speaker 1: now it seems that parents are knowing that they're knowledgeable
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Speaker 1: of the dangers, but they still turn away and say, well,
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Speaker 1: not my child. That happens to other people and to
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Speaker 1: other families, And you have to look into your own
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Speaker 1: life and to protect your own child and to be
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Speaker 1: a parent and to have those uncomfortable conversations because kids
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Speaker 1: will have to make decisions. It will happen. They will
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Speaker 1: be online and somebody will message them and they will
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Speaker 1: said to be a picture or meet me, or they
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Speaker 1: will be cyber bullied. Something is likely to happen, and
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Speaker 1: they have to have the ability to make the right decisions.
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Speaker 1: And that comes from those sometimes uncomfortable conversation tips and
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Speaker 1: I've got pages and pages of them. A predator will
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Speaker 1: hang out in chat rooms where children of the age
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Speaker 1: he is targeting also hang out like just Talk, House, Party, Chick,
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Speaker 1: any number of chat apps. He will pretend to be
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Speaker 1: a child, similar ash you, you're a child. He will
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Speaker 1: take on a believable child identity, complete with a name, description, school, family,
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Speaker 1: likes and dislikes. Create a rapport with your child. He
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Speaker 1: will like what she likes. He will be involved and
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Speaker 1: what she is involved. Maybe it's American Girl, Makeovers, Fortnite, Roadblocks, Minecraft,
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Speaker 1: or soccer. He suddenly is interested in what your child
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Speaker 1: is interested in, and then they have a commonality. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to our friend from Bark. But first,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, not only is she a judge, a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and anchor at Court TV, she has a daughter. You know,
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Speaker 1: Ashley does your daughter? I'll stiffing up when you look
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Speaker 1: at her phone. Oh my gosh, stiff enough you and
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Speaker 1: I know there was a recent incident with her phone
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Speaker 1: that I can share with all your listeners. And let
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Speaker 1: me just say this stiffing up. She hates it. And
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Speaker 1: guess what, we don't care. Duke and I both look
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Speaker 1: at her phone, see what she's doing, see who she's texting.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you this, she's a pretty good kid,
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Speaker 1: but she's already made some bad's great and she's made
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Speaker 1: some bad decisions. So Nancy, why because their brains and
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Speaker 1: people out there who will take advantage are you very
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Speaker 1: bad combination and can make them a potential target? Well,
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Speaker 1: are you going to tell what happened? And Nancy Grace, Okay, now,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's just be real. You've got the
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Speaker 1: Kardashian shooting birds. You've got? Wasn't that Bella Hadide was
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Speaker 1: shooting a bird at the cops in her two thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars our designer outfit? So problem a little unnamed girl
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Speaker 1: maybe took a shot of herself shooting a bird. And
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Speaker 1: I feel really bad because as I was snooping through
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Speaker 1: my daughter's phone and she gets her like, why are
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Speaker 1: you looking at my phone? Mom? And I'm like, because
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Speaker 1: I pay for to stroll on my phone, it just
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Speaker 1: happens to be in your hands most of the time. Um,
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Speaker 1: I tell it. I actually saw the picture, but let
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Speaker 1: me say this, because my daughter is in the picture
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Speaker 1: and she's doing the double peace sign and I saw
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Speaker 1: the B I R D or is it b y
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Speaker 1: R D? Anyway, I'm like, you know what, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: Ashley has this totally under control, so I'm not getting
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Speaker 1: up in this little did I find out like a
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Speaker 1: month later Lucy saw Sulky. I'm like, what happens? She goes, um, well,
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Speaker 1: my friend got her phone taken away, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: let me guess it's actually Will got a little happily.
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Speaker 1: I did not injecting myself into that. But Ashley, that
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Speaker 1: is such a minor little thing. I'm saving my fights
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Speaker 1: for tattoos, drugs and alcohol, right, I'm saving those fights.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, Nancy, Okay, it's all parenting, right,
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Speaker 1: But let me just say this. The point is it
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Speaker 1: can get away from you so quickly. They can in
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Speaker 1: the flash of an eye meet somebody, start texting, somebody postings.
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Speaker 1: So you just have to be vigilant at it every
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Speaker 1: single day. With Alicia and the parents, Alicia's parents, didn't
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Speaker 1: they tell you stay away from strangers, do this, do that,
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Speaker 1: do that, do this? They had no idea. The little
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Speaker 1: boy you were chatting with was a grown man convicted
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Speaker 1: of child born. Absolutely, it happened right under their noses
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Speaker 1: and they had no idea. And I hate to come
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Speaker 1: down to your parents because your parents love you so much.
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Speaker 1: And when you describe I think it was a Christmas
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Speaker 1: dinner or some kind of festive holiday dinner that you
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Speaker 1: guys were all at when you disappeared. I can just
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Speaker 1: imagine their wild anxiety when you had disappeared. Tutania Jordan
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Speaker 1: Bark CMO. You know, Tutania, I got Bark before I
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Speaker 1: knew you, and I love it because everything, like I
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Speaker 1: told you this example, John David play soccer and he
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Speaker 1: dove through the net trying to save a goal and
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Speaker 1: he got a big bruise on his arm. He took
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Speaker 1: a picture of the bruise to show it off to
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Speaker 1: his friends. Long story short, Bark notified me and it
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Speaker 1: said self harm. I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven,
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Speaker 1: John David's self harm. I looked up and it was
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Speaker 1: showing off his bruise. It's highly sensitive. What is the
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Speaker 1: purpose of bark Bark Well, Nancy, thank you for asking
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Speaker 1: hn for sharing your personal story. There. Bark is technology
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Speaker 1: that keeps children safer online and because of that in
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Speaker 1: real life, it's going to scan your children, text messages, emails,
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Speaker 1: social media accounts, all kinds of things that you might
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Speaker 1: not even know you need to look for in your
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Speaker 1: children's devices and accounts, and it will flag the most
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Speaker 1: concerning content like cyber bowling, online predators, that's a suicide, depression,
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Speaker 1: potential drug use, and yes, even the bird. You know,
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Speaker 1: here's a thing that I'm curious about because they will
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Speaker 1: go on sites like just Talk or house Party and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't you. I cannot look at their texts and
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Speaker 1: see what they're saying. So how do you protect against
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Speaker 1: bad influences on those apps? To Tanya, Well, it first
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Speaker 1: starts with ongoing and engaged conversations with your children. You
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Speaker 1: have to have the tough conversation with them before you
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Speaker 1: think they're ready. Honestly, if your children are nine, ten,
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Speaker 1: eleven and you haven't had a conversation about pornography, chances
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Speaker 1: are they've probably already encountered it. They might not know
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Speaker 1: what it is or what it's called, but they've encountered it.
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Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health and even you know, with
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Speaker 1: online predators, you don't have to call them that you
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Speaker 1: can just start with a concept of tricky people. How
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Speaker 1: there are some people online who might seem like your
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Speaker 1: best friend, but they do not have good intentions. And
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Speaker 1: you can never be afraid to surface it to mommy, daddy, caregiver,
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Speaker 1: because we don't want, you know, a cyber crime to
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Speaker 1: turn into in real life crime crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about don't be victim, fighting back. I
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Speaker 1: guess America's crime wave. Now you know that I have
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Speaker 1: Alicia cozy Kevit's with me now, her true life story
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Speaker 1: of meeting a pedophile online and being abducted, being saved
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Speaker 1: literally on the day Scott Tyree was set to kill
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Speaker 1: her to get rid of evidence by the Feds. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you this story of Nicole Lovel who
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Speaker 1: did not live to tell a story. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Eva Pilgrim at ABC. The police say
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Speaker 1: she snuck away to meet this man, and why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: she have trusted him? David Eisenhower was a track star,
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Speaker 1: good looking, successful. I realize in the moment that I
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Speaker 1: am doing things that other people wish they could be
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Speaker 1: doing it. He'd even been on television and yet I
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Speaker 1: still have goals for myself because there are people who
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Speaker 1: are better than me, and I will personally not stop
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Speaker 1: until I reach my peak performance. But Nicole never came back. Soon,
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Speaker 1: almost a thousand volunteers were searching, and authorities scoured for
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Speaker 1: leeds until they were able to track the last messages
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Speaker 1: from Nicole's phone, leading them to Eisenhower. An investigation led
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Speaker 1: us to eighteen year old David E. Eisenhower, a Virginia
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Speaker 1: Tech student. With Eisenhower in custody, authorities soon locating Nicole's
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Speaker 1: body eighty miles away in North Carolina. It's about two
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Speaker 1: miles from a home owned by his extended family. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that something that Nicole's family would like to know
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Speaker 1: is why did she have to end up here? Left
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Speaker 1: in this condition and discarded in the manner she was
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Speaker 1: well on Nicole's town, completely naked, wiped down with the
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Speaker 1: bleach and wet wipe so there would be no evidence
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Speaker 1: on her body. She thought, and had told her little friends,
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Speaker 1: who were at the mall that day looking for necklaces
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Speaker 1: and bracelets, that she had found a boyfriend and that
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Speaker 1: he wanted to get married and start a family. She's
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Speaker 1: barely passed, twelve years old, get married, have a family,
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Speaker 1: translation have underage six? How were they communicating? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends At ABC, Nicole was using a
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Speaker 1: messaging app called Kick to communicate with Eisenhower, raising questions
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Speaker 1: about possibly dangerous encounters. I'm willing to say Kick is
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Speaker 1: the devil for young children because it's like a free
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Speaker 1: ability to text anything you want and parents can't see
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Speaker 1: the phone numbers that are coming in and now experts
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Speaker 1: say many of these anonymous apps are popular with teens
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Speaker 1: and predators. You can sign up as anybody you want
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Speaker 1: to be. It really becomes a private hunting preserve for
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Speaker 1: some of these pedophiles. Here's how Kick works. Download the
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Speaker 1: app for free at any name and any photo. Then
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Speaker 1: you can send messages, photos and videos and you don't
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Speaker 1: even need texting service. Parents sometimes take away these plans
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Speaker 1: thinking that well, the child is abused it, but they
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Speaker 1: only need a WiFi single to be able to communicate
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Speaker 1: to Just had to rich with Stocky joining us his
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Speaker 1: d website cyber Parenting dash one on one dot com.
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Speaker 1: I can look at the children's text messages. But how
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Speaker 1: does a parent guard against things like Kick and WhatsApp?
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Speaker 1: House party where the texts are not readily visible. So
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Speaker 1: what I do is when I'm going through with schools
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Speaker 1: throughout the country, we have to train our children. There's
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Speaker 1: there's two points that I bring out and red flags
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Speaker 1: to the kids that I teach in the pen is
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Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off your gaming platform or
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Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are
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Speaker 1: not who they say they are. Because if you really
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Speaker 1: want to talk to me, why not just say it,
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Speaker 1: I'm the appera, I'm a game. Why do I have
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Speaker 1: to go over here? Well, that's because a lot of
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Speaker 1: these letters. Social media has programs that monitor grooming pictures
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Speaker 1: and videos that are talked to with juvenile accounts. So
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Speaker 1: when the first red flag that I teach kids is
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Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off to your gaming platform
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Speaker 1: or private chat, or your gaming or your social media
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Speaker 1: to go to private chat, they are not who they
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Speaker 1: say Danner. Let's say they went there and I have
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Speaker 1: arrested over one hundred sextortionists in my career, Nancy, And
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Speaker 1: so when they go over to that private chat. We've
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Speaker 1: been friends for so long playing World Lucks, probably just
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Speaker 1: two months. We've been friends for so long, do you
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Speaker 1: want to see what I really look like. And if
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Speaker 1: we're not having these tech conversations with our children, your
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Speaker 1: kids says sure, and then they send them the predator,
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Speaker 1: who they think it's their age, will send them an
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Speaker 1: inappropriate picture or video. And then the common denominat in
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Speaker 1: every sextortion case is after I send this to you,
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Speaker 1: now you owe me one pick. When I go to schools,
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Speaker 1: then I asked the kids six seven, eighth grade, how
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Speaker 1: many of you guys have ever received the text you
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Speaker 1: owe me one pick? Half the room raises their hands.
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Speaker 1: So if we're not talking to our kids, our kids
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Speaker 1: think that, oh, there must be some internet law that
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Speaker 1: I have to reciprocate the same type of picture. And
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Speaker 1: then they would take the same type of picture showing
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Speaker 1: their you know, their boobs or their butts or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And then they send it to the first and they
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Speaker 1: thought they've known for two months. Three days later that
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Speaker 1: persons they've been gaming with for the last two months.
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Speaker 1: So says, hey, how do you like your new Instagram
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Speaker 1: account with your booty shot on it? I'm going to
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Speaker 1: send this to all your friends, your family, your church,
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Speaker 1: your team. If you don't make me videos every week. Now,
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Speaker 1: the kid is extored it to our parents and I
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Speaker 1: want to I want to open your eyes to a
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Speaker 1: feature film, a documentary that we were involved in called
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Speaker 1: Childhood two point zero. It's on YouTube. Childhood two point
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Speaker 1: er will give you the currents most realistic disposition of
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Speaker 1: our kids today on technology, and it's very well done.
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Speaker 1: Detective Rich was Stocky. You can find him at cyber
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Speaker 1: Parenting Dash one on one dot com. One thing I
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Speaker 1: always do to Joseph s Goot Morgan joining me professor
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Speaker 1: forensics and it's not just blood and fingerprints, it's computer
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Speaker 1: cyber of forensics as well. When I hear him, what
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Speaker 1: he does is set up all of his little friends
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Speaker 1: from school or on a group call. As they're playing
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Speaker 1: a game together. I always go in the room and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: who are you playing with? As if I'm innocently interested.
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Speaker 1: He tells me and I say hello to all the
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Speaker 1: little friends. If I find him playing quietly, I say
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Speaker 1: who's that and he goes It's just somebody that wants
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Speaker 1: to play Fortnite. I'm like, you didn't give him your name,
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Speaker 1: did you, or your school or where you live or
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Speaker 1: the city or anything like that, or your phone number
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake goes no, no, no, Mama would never
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Speaker 1: do that. Joe Scott Morgan, how can you trace, for instance,
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Speaker 1: these apps. I always say to John David, you don't
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Speaker 1: know who that is. He says, his name is Derek
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Speaker 1: and he's twelve years old. It's probably a sixty five
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Speaker 1: year old ball guy, you know, hiding in his apartment
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Speaker 1: where he lives alone with a bunch of cats, acting
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Speaker 1: like a little boy. He's probably gonna try to get
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Speaker 1: a picture of you in your underwear. Hang get off.
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Speaker 1: I think I scared him enough with that. But how
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Speaker 1: do you, I mean, the purvs get the children into
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Speaker 1: chat rooms? Joe Scott. You know, Nancy, this is the
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Speaker 1: interesting thing is that there's a principle in forensic science
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Speaker 1: that's called the cards exchange principle, and that means that
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Speaker 1: every contact leaves a trace. It's not just you know,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned fingerprints in blood, and you and I talked
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Speaker 1: about that a lot, and we have for years now.
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Speaker 1: But in this context, every individual that is operating electronic
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Speaker 1: divide leaves behind a specific signature to tie them back,
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Speaker 1: and that's what is done in order to trace them
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Speaker 1: back and connect them to these cakes you're right. Here
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Speaker 1: are more of the tips for you to keep your
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Speaker 1: child safer cyber predators for instance, signs of predators chargeting
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Speaker 1: your child and Alisha Tarsiana to Tanya, excuse me, Ashley Rich,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Sierra jump in if you can think of another.
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Speaker 1: Your child spends more time online. They start going online
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Speaker 1: late at night. They get calls from people you don't know.
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Speaker 1: Your child gets a gift in the mail from someone
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Speaker 1: you don't know. When you walk in the room, your
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Speaker 1: child suddenly stops playing, or they change a screen or
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Speaker 1: hang up the phone. Your child starts distancing themselves from
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Speaker 1: family life and no longer seems interested in things they
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Speaker 1: used to love. They don't want to talk about what
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Speaker 1: they're doing online. It goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: Tips how to protect your child. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about Don't be a Victim Fighting back
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Speaker 1: means you to Sierra Gillespie, does the name Michelle Carter,
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Speaker 1: ring a bell to you. What happened to Michelle Carter's
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Speaker 1: extremely young, a very sensitive boyfriend, Conrad Roy. Yeah, nanc
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Speaker 1: Michelle Carter is almost an infamous name at this point.
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Speaker 1: A lot of us have heard of this case. Conrad
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Speaker 1: Roy was only eighteen years old, and he had actually
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Speaker 1: met Michelle in real life a few times. They met
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Speaker 1: law on vacation in Florida visiting family, but they both
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Speaker 1: lived relatively close in the Boston area, and so they
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Speaker 1: just texted. I mean, like any normal child would do.
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Speaker 1: You're just texting your boyfriend or your friend. They actually
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Speaker 1: knew each other, so it wasn't going to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: a cyber bullying situation, but it eventually came that way.
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Speaker 1: Conrad confided in Michelle about he had some suicidal ideations.
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Speaker 1: He was struggling with depression, and eventually she seemingly persuaded
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Speaker 1: him to take his own life, which is what he did.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our longtime friend Aaron Moriarny.
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Speaker 1: Right away, we heard from investigators that medical examiner found
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Speaker 1: there was a suicide. It wasn't until they started looking
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Speaker 1: at his phone that they realized that there was something
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Speaker 1: else going on here, because on that phone or hundreds
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of texts from Michelle Carter Conrad Roy urging
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Speaker 1: him to end his life. You can't think about it.
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Speaker 1: You just have to do it. You said you were
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Speaker 1: gonna do it, like I don't get why you aren't,
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Speaker 1: And Michelle Carter admittedly said do it. She was kind
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Speaker 1: of making fun of him for not taking his own life.
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Speaker 1: I thought you really wanted to die, but apparently you don't.
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Speaker 1: I feel played and just stupid. You're going to have
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Speaker 1: to prove me wrong because I just don't think you
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Speaker 1: really want this, and she kept pressuring him to do it.
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Speaker 1: You're eddie and prepared. All you have to do is
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Speaker 1: turn the generator on and you be free and happy.
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Speaker 1: No more pushing it off, no more waiting. There was
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Speaker 1: one point where he actually got out of the truck
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Speaker 1: and changed his mind. Yeah, he was scared, and she
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Speaker 1: told him to go back in the truck. Yes, you know.
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Speaker 1: To you Alicia Koza Kevitz, Teens, especially sensitive teens is
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Speaker 1: his first girlfriend, are very susceptible and very malleable. This
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Speaker 1: boy committed suicide after literally thousands, literally thousands of communications
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Speaker 1: from his so called girlfriend, such as do you have
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Speaker 1: a generator? Not yet? Well, when are you going to
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Speaker 1: get it? So? Are you sure you don't want to
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Speaker 1: kill yourself tonight? What do you mean in my shirt? Like?
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Speaker 1: Are you definitely not doing it tonight? Because I'll stay
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Speaker 1: up with you if you want to do it tonight.
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Speaker 1: You can't keep pushing it off. That's what you keep doing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on and on with
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Speaker 1: her pushing him, egging him on, even telling him how
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Speaker 1: to hook up a generator to his car, to his
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Speaker 1: truck so he can breathe deeply and die. How malleable
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Speaker 1: were you when a child predator was grooming you online? Alicia?
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Speaker 1: Extremely malleable. You're looking for that connection. And when you're young,
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Speaker 1: even if you do have close friends, even if you
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Speaker 1: do have a loving family, you so often feel that
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Speaker 1: you're on the outside looking in and that nobody really
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Speaker 1: can understand you. And these two were only and I
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Speaker 1: find it so interesting that they only lived about an
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Speaker 1: hour or so away from each other. I had only
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Speaker 1: seen each other a few times. And if she really
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Speaker 1: wanted to help him, he wasn't far away for her
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Speaker 1: to do so. All she wanted to help him do
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Speaker 1: clearly was to harm himself. She's like a vulture over
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Speaker 1: a body. Take a listen to Aaron Moriarty CBS. Carter
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Speaker 1: was on the phone with Roy as he was dying
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Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide poisoning inside his truck in July twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 1: She never called for help. When Roy apparently changed his
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Speaker 1: mind and got out of his vehicle. She even told
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Speaker 1: him to get back inside. Roy suffered from depression. The
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Speaker 1: hardest thing for me is to be comfortable in my
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Speaker 1: own skin. And before he killed himself, Carter sent the
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old dozens of texts pressuring him to commit suicide.
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Speaker 1: One red, hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of ways Michelle Carter
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Speaker 1: exploited my son's weaknesses and used him as a pawn.
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Speaker 1: Where was her humanity? Carter, who herself has struggled with
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Speaker 1: anxiety and eating disorders. What wept at times during the hearing?
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Speaker 1: This is a tragedy for two families. Judge Lawrence Monaz
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Speaker 1: sentence turned two and a half years in jail, but
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Speaker 1: he said Carter would only have to spend half of
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Speaker 1: that fifteen months behind bars. She also received five years probation.
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Speaker 1: Tips Watch your child closely. Are they upset after being
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Speaker 1: on their device? Do they seem upset or nervous when
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Speaker 1: their device pains or they get an email text or
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Speaker 1: I AM instant message? Do they sometimes avoid their device,
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Speaker 1: avoid talk of their device or online games? Tries to
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Speaker 1: keep their online life a secret. Their grades begin to drop,
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Speaker 1: They withdraw from real life and activities they love. They
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Speaker 1: have unexplained anger, unusual outbursts, changes in behavior. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's so many, literally hundreds of tips to keep you
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Speaker 1: and your children safe. To you, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. What happens when you die of carbon
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Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning like Conrad Roy did? Yeah, it's a miserable
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Speaker 1: way to die, Nancy, And I've worked many cases like
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Speaker 1: this in my life over my course of my career.
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Speaker 1: And it's a replacement it actually it's an exclusion of
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Speaker 1: oxygen and it causes the person to suffocate. But Nancy,
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Speaker 1: on another note, if you don't mind, I've worked actually
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Speaker 1: a case that's very similar to this in Atlanta where
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Speaker 1: there was a group of people sitting around a table
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Speaker 1: and a young man had not gone out to pick
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Speaker 1: up his date for an evening out with all of
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Speaker 1: his friends, and she called him. She was crying on
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Speaker 1: the phone, and he opened the phone up on the table,
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Speaker 1: put her on speaker, and convinced her to actually shoot
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Speaker 1: herself while they were on the phone together. And it
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Speaker 1: was one of the most horrible, heartbreaking cases that I
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Speaker 1: ever came in contact with. And this is what I
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Speaker 1: would say about this is that they're very fragile people
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Speaker 1: out there and the internet electronics. They are no respecter
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Speaker 1: of persons because they are so they're just this conduit
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Speaker 1: for evil to creep into people's lives. In the case
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Speaker 1: of this poor boy who was just screaming out for
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Speaker 1: help and he happened to latch onto the wrong person
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Speaker 1: the case and at lant I was just mentioned in
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Speaker 1: to you. You know, this girl was longing to be
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Speaker 1: accepted by that group of people, and you know the
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Speaker 1: people were sitting there and they could actually hear the
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Speaker 1: gunshot go off. Nancy, these people are predators and they
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Speaker 1: will take advantage of anybody that's weak. And to Ucierra
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Speaker 1: Gilleste Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, isn't it true
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Speaker 1: that Michelle Carter has already been released from prison. The
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Speaker 1: Athananthia that's true again. We heard she was that in
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Speaker 1: sit two and a half years in prison, but it
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Speaker 1: was reduced, so she has already been released. She's going
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Speaker 1: about her life and Conrad Roy is dead. Please don't
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Speaker 1: be a victim, fight back and save a child. Nancy
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