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Patriots Draft Countdown: Previewing the Receivers, Backs & Tight Ends, Jayden Daniels Film Breakdown, Derrik Klassen Interview · Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 3: and guys were just about two weeks to go here.
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Speaker 3: We're getting a little redundant on the quarterback of it all.
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Speaker 3: I feel like those guys have been in for visits,
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Speaker 3: so we're just gonna catch you guys up quick here
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Speaker 3: in the first segment on some latest news, and I
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Speaker 3: guess top of the list is Kyle Duggar signing an extension.
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Speaker 3: Not sure how much that really affects the draft, pol
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Speaker 3: I think we all still kind of feel like they
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Speaker 3: could maybe use a free safety, but maybe a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure it's a huge impact on the
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Speaker 4: draft either, but it is I think a good sign
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Speaker 4: because and I talked about this a lot during the
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Speaker 4: season last year, and clearly they thought it was important
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Speaker 4: to maintain, you know, as much of that continuity as
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Speaker 4: they could. But I thought Dugger in particular was one
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Speaker 4: of those guys that had sort of you drafted and
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Speaker 4: developed second round pick, had some success, made some plays,
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Speaker 4: had a really strong twenty two season. Maybe didn't have
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Speaker 4: as many flashy plays last year as he did, But
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Speaker 4: I thought it was a good message to sort of
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Speaker 4: send to not just maintain you know, that guy on
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Speaker 4: the roster, but to say, we understand, you know how
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Speaker 4: you guys think in there, and this is what we
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Speaker 4: want to do. We want to reward you for being
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Speaker 4: on board and being a big part of our team.
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Speaker 4: It's not like an achievement ofward or anything. The guy's
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Speaker 4: a good player. So I thought that was a you know,
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Speaker 4: a good sign, good good all around. I thought it
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Speaker 4: was good for Kyle Dugger, but also a good message
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Speaker 4: to send in the locker room.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you hear some reports out there that he was
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Speaker 5: pretty unhappy about the transition tag and getting that placed
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Speaker 5: on him. So just in terms of his happiness or
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Speaker 5: his willingness or want to to be here, I think
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Speaker 5: it's a good thing. To get this extension done sounded
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Speaker 5: like it. It can't bread together pretty quickly over the
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Speaker 5: last week or so with OTAs and the spring programs
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Speaker 5: starting for the Patriots. But go back to the free
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Speaker 5: safety thing real quick. I do think that that it
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Speaker 5: continues to be in need. I just don't love him
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Speaker 5: playing up top like that, like he's Devin mccordy. I
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Speaker 5: just don't really think that that fits his style. I
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Speaker 5: don't really think it fits your guy, Jabril Peppers's style either.
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Speaker 5: So it's not necessarily that they need to bring in
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Speaker 5: somebody that's gonna play eighty five ninety percent of the snaps.
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Speaker 5: But can you get it de Ron Harmon type in
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Speaker 5: the third or fourth round that on third down and
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Speaker 5: obvious passing situations, that's the player that plays the post
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Speaker 5: safety role in the man coverage schemes, and you allow
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Speaker 5: Dugger and Pepper's to be closer to the ball. Last
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Speaker 5: year career high in free safety snaps for Kyle Dugger,
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Speaker 5: Paul mentioned maybe not as many splash plays on the ball,
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Speaker 5: like A big reason why that was because he's so
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Speaker 5: far away from the ball. You know, if you're all
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Speaker 5: constantly thirty yards off the line, of scrimmage, you're not
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Speaker 5: going to be near the ball as often as when
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Speaker 5: you're playing in the box. So I think that that
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Speaker 5: remains in need. Maybe not one that they can use
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Speaker 5: a high pick on this year, but someone in that
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Speaker 5: third or fourth round range. And there's a few guys
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Speaker 5: that fit that mold in this year's draft.
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Speaker 3: Almost makes me think a little bit of Eugene Wilson, remember,
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was kind of a cornerback coming out right,
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Speaker 3: and then when mLOY went, he just kind of got
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Speaker 3: thrust into that free safety role a little bit there.
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Speaker 4: I think we could go into a whole side story
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Speaker 4: about that. It was Antoine Harris and Rodney Harrison at
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Speaker 4: safety in week one, and you guys might recall they
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Speaker 4: lost thirty one to nothing. In Week two, it was
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Speaker 4: Eugene Wilson moving to safety and the rest was history.
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Speaker 3: As they say, all right, well, we've been talking a
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Speaker 3: lot about Drake May, JJ, McCarthy, Jay and Daniels. They're
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Speaker 3: all builliing together. We know reports last week that all
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Speaker 3: three of those guys are coming in. I think May
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Speaker 3: was here earlier late last week, Daniels I think was
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Speaker 3: here today, and McCarthy's coming so guys, it continues to
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Speaker 3: be kind of jockeying between those positions tease. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's kind of getting I think we're getting a little
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Speaker 3: worn out, especially with the third overall pick. As Evan
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Speaker 3: did his runt about mock drafts, there's just not really
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Speaker 3: a lot to consider other than I mean, for me,
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Speaker 3: where I'm at, take May if he's there, otherwise trade down.
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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit sour on Daniels, but I'd still
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Speaker 3: be open to take him. But what do you think
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Speaker 3: Patriots bringing these guys in clearly have interesting.
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Speaker 6: I think you got to get a quarterback. It kind
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Speaker 6: of goes back Evan said before that Christmas game might
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Speaker 6: come back to bite you in the butt. But I mean,
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Speaker 6: you want to take May, but then I think Daniels
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Speaker 6: the second best option. I'm not as sold on McCarthy,
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Speaker 6: but I hope as May or Daniels. So we'll see
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Speaker 6: in April.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what's interesting about the visits and really
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Speaker 5: this entire pre draft process has been a three horse
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Speaker 5: race for the Patriots and Michael Pennix, bow Nicks, Spencer
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Speaker 5: Rattler need not apply right Like they're not even in
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Speaker 5: the conversation and I think does tell you a lot
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Speaker 5: about what their thought process is. That they're the number
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Speaker 5: thirty overall pick and where they feel like they're going
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Speaker 5: to take a quarterback in this draft. That just based
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Speaker 5: off of everything that they've done. Unless this is the
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Speaker 5: smoke screen of all smoke screens, I don't really understand
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Speaker 5: why they would. You know, we can get into that,
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Speaker 5: I guess later. But they are honing in on these
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Speaker 5: three guys. These are the three guys that they've said
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Speaker 5: it continues to to their pro days that they've had
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Speaker 5: in for thirty visits. It just doesn't seem like they
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Speaker 5: have any interest in the second tier, third tier quarterbacks
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Speaker 5: in this draft. It's all about those three guys at
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Speaker 5: the top. So I don't necessarily take away much about oh,
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Speaker 5: they're more interested in this guy that guy quite yet,
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Speaker 5: but I feel like in terms of the tiers of quarterbacks,
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Speaker 5: they are honed in on those top three guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Paul, those guys, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was just kind of gotten.
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Speaker 4: Everything Evan just said. I totally agree with it, you know,
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Speaker 4: And Michael Panis is the only other one of those
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Speaker 4: guys that I even have a little interest in, and
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Speaker 4: I just can't come up with any rational explanation as
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Speaker 4: to why they've done so little in terms of personal
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Speaker 4: interaction with him if they were interested in him. So
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Speaker 4: I got to think it's it's down to those other three,
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Speaker 4: and I think it's really you know, I think it's
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Speaker 4: between McCarthy in May because I think they feel like
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Speaker 4: Daniels is gonna.
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Speaker 3: Go to Washington.
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Speaker 4: So I'm kind of like tease, I'm not really sold
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Speaker 4: on McCarthy. So to me, I've I've wrapped my mind
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Speaker 4: around Drake Man.
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Speaker 6: You don't go for and thirteen to pick JJ McCarthy,
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Speaker 6: That's what I'll say.
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Speaker 5: But that's a fair point. That's the thing that I've
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Speaker 5: always said about JJ McCarthy that's given me pause about
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Speaker 5: it is I just don't see game changing talent on film.
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Speaker 5: I don't see a guy that's going to come in
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Speaker 5: here and be your franchise savior. And I'd hate to
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Speaker 5: put that on any of these guys, but at least
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Speaker 5: with Jayden Daniels, obviously at the Heisman Trophy season, you
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Speaker 5: can see that on film of this guy can be
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Speaker 5: an absolute game changer. Drake May with the physical tools,
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Speaker 5: absolute game changer. You know MVP caliber type traits. I
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Speaker 5: what are JJ McCarthy's traits in that category. I'm just
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Speaker 5: not really necessarily sure. I think that he's a great
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Speaker 5: quarterback for a lot of different teams. I just don't
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Speaker 5: feel like the Patriots are one of those teams.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, you heard Evan mentioned Jade and Daniels.
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Speaker 3: We've got a pack show and we're going to go
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Speaker 3: right now to Evan's film review of Jade and Daniels.
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Speaker 3: You also talk to Derek Klassen a little bit about
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, so it is still a quarterback jam show,
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Speaker 3: and we'll finish it off though talking with the position groups.
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Speaker 3: Everybody loves w receiver, tight end, running back, So jam
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Speaker 3: pack show. Check it all out.
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Speaker 5: You can find him on Bleacher Report and Reception Perception
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Speaker 5: with his QB chart. He's Derek class and Derek been
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Speaker 5: a big fan for a long time. Excited to talk
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Speaker 5: to you about these quarterbacks today. How you doing?
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Speaker 7: First of all, I appreciate that, and second of all,
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Speaker 7: I'm doing great, doing good. It feels like we're kind
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Speaker 7: of really getting into that like real end push of
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Speaker 7: the draft season.
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Speaker 2: So it feels good.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Right, the hay is almost in the barn, as we
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Speaker 5: say around here, with the draft, and I've been reading
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Speaker 5: your charting on quarterbacks probably since I don't know, nineteen
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Speaker 5: twenty something like that. So those are great resources and
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Speaker 5: you guys should go check them out. So we're going
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Speaker 5: to talk to Derek, of course about those quarterbacks, a
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Speaker 5: big area of need for the Patriots. I don't know
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Speaker 5: if you knew that, Derek, but you know the Patriots
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Speaker 5: might take a quarterback. It's a little topic around here
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Speaker 5: every once in a while. So let's start at the top.
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Speaker 5: And I want to start with Drake May because I
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Speaker 5: have an affinity for Drake May. I've fallen in love
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Speaker 5: with him during this process, and it's always great to
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Speaker 5: see somebody like yourself also see a lot of the
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Speaker 5: same things that I do, and why I think he's
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Speaker 5: such a great prospect for the Patriots in particular, you
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Speaker 5: see in Drake May And do you buy into some people?
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Speaker 5: You know, I'll name names, Chris Sims, you know has
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Speaker 5: him as QB six. You know, he's kind of all
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Speaker 5: over the place with all these rankings. But where are
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Speaker 5: do you fall on Drake May.
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Speaker 7: I think he's fantastic, Like I think he's a truly
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Speaker 7: unbelievable prospect. Like we've done this whole thing with Caleb
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Speaker 7: being like a, you know, one of the best prospects
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Speaker 7: of a generation, and I think he absolutely is. I mean,
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Speaker 7: we're probably not going to talk about him a whole
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Speaker 7: lot here because there's no shot the Patriots get him.
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Speaker 7: But I think May is like in that same tier
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Speaker 7: of player I even like, to me, May is the
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Speaker 7: one a I will say, part of that is just
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Speaker 7: like my personal affinity for certain traits at quarterback, like
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Speaker 7: I think, I mean, May is just obviously much bigger.
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Speaker 7: I think some of what he can do as a
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Speaker 7: design runner I think is a little bit more valuable
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Speaker 7: than Caleb. And then to me, what really really puts
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Speaker 7: Drake May over the top. I mean, there's a lot
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Speaker 7: of reasons, and we'll touch on all of them, but
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Speaker 7: to me, it's just the way that I think he
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Speaker 7: handles the pocket and is able to throw with bodies
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Speaker 7: around him is like, really really special. I think it's
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Speaker 7: the type of stuff you see from a lot of
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Speaker 7: the best quarterbacks in the NFL already, whether it's Josh Allen,
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Speaker 7: Justin Herbert, even Dak Prescott, I think has his quality
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Speaker 7: when he's thrown around bodies in the pocket and stuff.
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Speaker 2: I think May has that to him.
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Speaker 7: And then when you combine that just on top of
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Speaker 7: like the raw arm talent that he has, where he's
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Speaker 7: just able to put.
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Speaker 2: The ball in.
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Speaker 7: Places that seem almost impossible for a quarterback. And I
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Speaker 7: know people are gonna harp on him for like the consistency,
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Speaker 7: and I do think he has a couple of sprays
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Speaker 7: a game, but I think what you get out of
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Speaker 7: him on most plays and especially on his best plays,
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Speaker 7: it's what you chase when you're looking for a potential
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Speaker 7: top five, top six type of quarterback, and I think
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Speaker 7: Drake May has all that stuff. And I think what
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Speaker 7: people need to remember too is like Drake May is
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Speaker 7: still a very young player. He's the youngest quarterback I
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Speaker 7: think in this class. JJ might be a little bit younger,
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Speaker 7: but he's still like one of the He's a very
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Speaker 7: very young player, and I think for him to be
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Speaker 7: as good as he is with even some of the
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Speaker 7: flaws that people have, like oh, his footwork isn't perfect.
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Speaker 7: He has two sprays a game, he has like one
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Speaker 7: completely dog brained play like Josh Allen every game that
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Speaker 7: seems like the dumbest thing you've ever seen. But I
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Speaker 7: think so much of that stuff is fixable, especially when
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Speaker 7: you just look at the raw talent that he has
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Speaker 7: and so much of the just gamer that he plays with.
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Speaker 7: Like I just I could gush about him forever. I
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Speaker 7: truly think he's a really really special prospect.
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Speaker 5: I love that, and I think that's the original thing
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Speaker 5: that drew me to him is what you mentioned, and
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Speaker 5: coming off the Mac Jones experience. For Patriots fans, I
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Speaker 5: think the biggest thing is is that you have to
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Speaker 5: have a baseline level of arm talent and being able
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Speaker 5: to drive the football down the field in those muddied pockets.
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Speaker 5: I think with Mac, when he had a clean pocket
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Speaker 5: to step up into and really put his weight behind
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Speaker 5: a throw, he had the NFL caliber arm to get
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Speaker 5: the ball where it needed to go. But as things
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Speaker 5: started to fall apart around him, I think what we
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Speaker 5: noticed here in New England is that now all of
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Speaker 5: a sudden, he's thrown off his back foot or he's
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Speaker 5: thrown from muddied pockets and he's not able to step
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Speaker 5: into it, and he wasn't able to generate that velocity
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Speaker 5: that he needed. I remember there's one throw I watched
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Speaker 5: early on where Drake May is backed up on his
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Speaker 5: own end zone and he kind of pumps to the
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Speaker 5: middle of the field to hold the hook defender and
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Speaker 5: then hits the crossing route basically flat footed coming across
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Speaker 5: the field the other way. And I was like, there's
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Speaker 5: no offense to mac, but there's just no way that
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Speaker 5: he can make that throw. And I think that that's
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Speaker 5: what we're looking for as Pats fans now, is that
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Speaker 5: raw talent and ability, that Josh Allen type of quarterback.
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Speaker 5: And that's why so many of us have fallen for
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Speaker 5: Drake May. One last question on Drake May. I feel
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Speaker 5: like I know where you're gonna her head is gonna
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Speaker 5: be at with this. But a lot of people, a
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Speaker 5: credible people have said that he needs to sit, that
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Speaker 5: he needs to be sat for a year, maybe maybe
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Speaker 5: the Jordan Love track, or you know, even just Patrick
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Speaker 5: Mahomes sit his rookie season and then play year two.
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Speaker 5: Where do you fall on that line and do you
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Speaker 5: think that he's so raw that he has to sit
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Speaker 5: behind a veteran quarterback.
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Speaker 7: My take, honestly, with almost every prospect is that they
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Speaker 7: would probably benefit from sitting like I even think Caleb
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Speaker 7: like would benefit from.
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Speaker 2: A year like I that's just generally a thing.
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Speaker 7: I believe the reality is that most guys just aren't
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Speaker 7: like It's teams want to go play guys and they
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Speaker 7: want to see their investment on the field immediately. But
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Speaker 7: I think, like within that context of thinking that most
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Speaker 7: guys are just going to play anyway, I think may
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Speaker 7: is totally fine being in that bucket because I think
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Speaker 7: what we've seen a lot of the times is that
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Speaker 7: the guys who don't sink and are able to swim
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Speaker 7: as as rookies even if they're not you know, like May,
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Speaker 7: like I said, his footwork is not perfect. He is
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Speaker 7: probably gonna have to learn a little bit of how
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Speaker 7: NFL offenses work, coming from two different styles of a
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Speaker 7: raid offenses at at North Carolina, Like, there are going
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Speaker 7: to be growing pains. But I just think he's so
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Speaker 7: unbelievably talented. He's so athletic, he's so just like raw
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Speaker 7: and brave in the pocket, and that type of stuff
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Speaker 7: I think is stuff that you can see translate and
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Speaker 7: get productive play out of, even if he's not perfect.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think even just last year we saw
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Speaker 7: this from Anthony Richardson right, Like Anthony Richardson, Is he
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Speaker 7: the most accurate quarterback right now? No, Like he could
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Speaker 7: probably clean up his footwork a little bit. Is he
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Speaker 7: the fastest processor in the league right now? Like?
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 7: He came from an offense that didn't ask him to
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Speaker 7: do as much as an NFL offense is going to
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Speaker 7: and I think it's going to take him a little bit.
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Speaker 7: It's going to take him a year or two to
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Speaker 7: like really ramp up into that. But we still saw
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Speaker 7: him be a very productive and like, very impressive quarterback
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Speaker 7: in the few games that he was able to play,
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Speaker 7: in part because it's the arm talent that that we
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Speaker 7: both mentioned, where like he just has the raw ability
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Speaker 7: to make certain throws even if maybe he's late, maybe
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Speaker 7: his feet are off, like, he still can make certain throws.
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's really valuable.
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Speaker 7: And then he has pocket toughness, which I think he's
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Speaker 7: always going to translate immediately, especially I mean it's not
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Speaker 7: even just that he has pocket toughness, it's that he
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Speaker 7: was very battle hardened behind a terrible.
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Speaker 2: North Carolina offensive line.
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Speaker 7: Like he's had a lot of reps where he's had
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Speaker 7: to be the guy under pressure and I think that's
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Speaker 7: going to actually help when he when he goes into
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Speaker 7: the NFL and then he just has like that creative
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Speaker 7: I'm going to be superman. I'm going to go make
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Speaker 7: a play. And I think when you're just a rookie
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Speaker 7: thrown in to the fire, you have to have that.
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Speaker 7: You have to have that mentality and then also the
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Speaker 7: ability to go capitalize on it.
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Speaker 2: I think May checks both boxes.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, he probably would benefit from getting a year
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Speaker 7: to clean up his footwork and learn NFL offenses. But
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Speaker 7: like he's he's going to be just fine. I think
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Speaker 7: if he has to play right away.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed. We could gush about Drake May for probably
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Speaker 5: another thirty minutes. So let's move on to the next
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Speaker 5: couple quarterbacks here. You didn't you mentioned JJ McCarthy, But
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Speaker 5: I want to get to Jaden Daniels first before we
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Speaker 5: get to McCarthy. Jaden Daniels, I feel like is one
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Speaker 5: of those guys that when I first watched him, I
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Speaker 5: was like, this guy's electric. He can do a million
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Speaker 5: different things. I think he's a much better passer than
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Speaker 5: you know, those prototypical guys coming out that are pure
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Speaker 5: runners like he is. But where do you follow with
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Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels. It does sound like the commanders might be
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Speaker 5: locking in on him number two, but if he's there
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Speaker 5: for the Patriots at three. Overall, what's your take on Jayden?
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Speaker 2: I think he's a fine prospect.
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Speaker 7: I think I'm a lot lower on him than most people.
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Speaker 7: To your point, though, like when you first watch him,
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Speaker 7: whether it's on Sundays or just your first exposure to him,
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Speaker 7: or on Saturdays or just your first exposure to him
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Speaker 7: on film, there is a lot of stuff to like. Like,
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Speaker 7: I think he is a very accurate passer to basically.
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Speaker 2: Every level of the field. On the throws that he does.
15:13
Speaker 7: Make, I think he throws short and outside the numbers
15:16
Speaker 7: really well.
15:16
Speaker 2: I think he throws down the field really well.
15:19
Speaker 7: Even though he didn't throw the middle of the field
15:21
Speaker 7: a lot, which is a concern I'll bring up in
15:22
Speaker 7: a little bit, he did throw it well when he
15:25
Speaker 7: actually triggered on it, and I think that at least
15:28
Speaker 7: the ability to do it is a nice thing in
15:31
Speaker 7: his bag. He's obviously an unbelievable athlete. I mean, he's
15:34
Speaker 7: going to step in and be one of the five
15:36
Speaker 7: best probably rushing threats in the NFL. Immediately, and that's
15:40
Speaker 7: I think gonna be a really nice boost to whatever
15:42
Speaker 7: offense he takes. You know, whatever you get out of
15:44
Speaker 7: him as a passer year one, you're gonna have that
15:46
Speaker 7: floor with him as a runner, which I think is
15:48
Speaker 7: super valuable.
15:49
Speaker 2: He's the guy who I think he.
15:52
Speaker 7: Progresses through concepts fairly well, and like he doesn't make
15:57
Speaker 7: glaring mistakes. It's just sometimes he won't trigger and be aggressive,
16:01
Speaker 7: which leads to like, okay, sometimes he leads yards on
16:04
Speaker 7: the field, but also he never really puts the ball
16:06
Speaker 7: at risk. So it's a little bit of like, which
16:09
Speaker 7: do you want out of your quarterback?
16:11
Speaker 2: If that makes sense?
16:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, me personally, why I'm a little bit lower on
16:14
Speaker 7: him is like I want the guy who's just gonna
16:16
Speaker 7: blindly rip a dig route like I just that's why
16:19
Speaker 7: I love Drake May. He'll just do it. Jaden is
16:22
Speaker 7: a little bit less willing to do that. He's a
16:24
Speaker 7: little bit more in the probably not as bad as
16:27
Speaker 7: Russell Wilson, but it's like in that Russell Wilson Jalen
16:29
Speaker 7: Hurtzish where it's like this is probably just never gonna
16:32
Speaker 7: be his area of the field. And then the other
16:36
Speaker 7: thing with Jayden that I think has turned me off
16:38
Speaker 7: from him a little bit is I don't think he
16:41
Speaker 7: manages the pocket very well, and I don't think he
16:43
Speaker 7: makes plays. I don't think he makes throws off script
16:47
Speaker 7: very consistently or very well, and he's not very willing
16:49
Speaker 7: to do it. Like he's the guy where okay, one
16:51
Speaker 7: to two to three in a clean pocket, he's gonna
16:53
Speaker 7: make a good throw for sure, there's no doubt about that.
16:55
Speaker 7: I think when he gets pressured and gets moved off
16:58
Speaker 7: his spot a little bit, he is very quick to like, Okay,
17:01
Speaker 7: the play's dead, I'm running. And that's great at the
17:05
Speaker 7: college level. I think in the NFL it's really really
17:07
Speaker 7: hard to get away with.
17:08
Speaker 2: Being that way.
17:09
Speaker 7: I think the best NFL quarterbacks are guys who, Okay,
17:13
Speaker 7: initial plays dead, I'm gonna get outside of the pocket
17:16
Speaker 7: and look to throw first. I think you even see
17:18
Speaker 7: this from like people who are comparing him to Lamar Jackson.
17:21
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is very.
17:22
Speaker 7: Much like outside the pocket, eyeser up, he's looking to throw,
17:25
Speaker 7: but run if he has to. But he's very much
17:27
Speaker 7: a guy who's looking to make throws outside of the pocket.
17:29
Speaker 7: But Jaden, I just don't see that as much, and
17:31
Speaker 7: I think that's a really hard thing to get a
17:33
Speaker 7: guy to do.
17:34
Speaker 2: So that's kind of some of my concerns. Like I said,
17:36
Speaker 2: I think.
17:36
Speaker 7: There is a lot to like, I'm just a little
17:39
Speaker 7: bit more hesitant on or a little bit more wary
17:42
Speaker 7: of what his ceiling is, I think than some other people.
17:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you brought up a lot of really
17:46
Speaker 5: good points. The thing that stood out to me is
17:49
Speaker 5: that there's this play against Florida where he's got Malik
17:53
Speaker 5: Neighbors jumping up and down in the middle of the
17:55
Speaker 5: field asking him to throw him the ball, and he
17:58
Speaker 5: passes it up wide open, dig round in the middle
18:00
Speaker 5: of the field, and he ends up running for fifty yards.
18:03
Speaker 5: On the play, he just takes off scrambling and he runs,
18:05
Speaker 5: And on the one hand, it's like, wow, that running
18:07
Speaker 5: ability is dynamic. That's difference making. But on the other hand,
18:10
Speaker 5: in the NFL, you'd probably rather him take the dig
18:13
Speaker 5: route right and let the playmakers do the work instead
18:16
Speaker 5: of having him have to do everything himself. So that
18:19
Speaker 5: was one of those plays that I felt like was
18:21
Speaker 5: the perfect encapsulation of the yin and the Yang with
18:23
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels, where he's gonna pass up some things in
18:26
Speaker 5: the middle of the field that other quarterbacks are guys
18:29
Speaker 5: in the league will trigger on, like you said, But
18:32
Speaker 5: then he's also going to be able to have that
18:34
Speaker 5: tantalizing running ability. So it's like, you know, how do
18:38
Speaker 5: you pick on him too much for it when he
18:40
Speaker 5: just broke off a forty five yard scramble. But I
18:43
Speaker 5: think that that, coupled with the fact that he does
18:46
Speaker 5: have the smaller frame and the durability concerns, if he's
18:49
Speaker 5: always looking to run, then is he gonna last, you know,
18:52
Speaker 5: and is it gonna be able to be consistent and
18:54
Speaker 5: sustainable at the next level or our legitimate concerns. The
18:58
Speaker 5: other concern I wanted to ask you about. I know
19:00
Speaker 5: I always do this. It always sounds like I'm trashing
19:02
Speaker 5: on Jaden when I'm like, not really trying to. It's
19:05
Speaker 5: just I think that there are some concerns there with him.
19:08
Speaker 5: The other thing that I think was a little bit
19:10
Speaker 5: concerning to me as well, is that so much of
19:12
Speaker 5: his production came off those slot fade routes, throwing to
19:15
Speaker 5: neighbors and too Brian Thomas Junior, and where are his
19:19
Speaker 5: layups in an NFL offense, and where's the easy yards
19:22
Speaker 5: for him, especially if he comes to a place like
19:25
Speaker 5: New England where he might not have those outside winners.
19:28
Speaker 5: You know, he might not get step into an offense
19:31
Speaker 5: right away with the Patriots where he has two premium
19:35
Speaker 5: elite receivers on the outside to make those plays. Do
19:38
Speaker 5: you think that he can be a guy that survives
19:41
Speaker 5: without the supporting cast, I guess is the best way
19:44
Speaker 5: to look at it.
19:46
Speaker 2: I would be a little bit concerned.
19:48
Speaker 7: And I think that's a great point because even in
19:50
Speaker 7: my charting that I did for him, a lot of
19:52
Speaker 7: his production, like you said, is either those slot fads
19:55
Speaker 7: that they ran or just standard goballs, or he threw
19:58
Speaker 7: a lot of like hitches and curls outside the numbers.
20:00
Speaker 2: And to your point, it was a lot of like, Okay,
20:02
Speaker 2: I've just.
20:03
Speaker 7: Got to top fifteen picks on the outside. I'm going
20:05
Speaker 7: to go give him a shot. And like I said,
20:07
Speaker 7: he's great at doing that. But when you no matter
20:11
Speaker 7: what team he goes to, he's going to have like
20:13
Speaker 7: a on a relative level, less talent outside than he
20:17
Speaker 7: had at LSU. And so you're gonna have to calibrate
20:19
Speaker 7: for that. And so when you couple that with some
20:21
Speaker 7: of the concerns I have with him throwing the middle
20:23
Speaker 7: of the field, It's like, ah, this gets a little
20:26
Speaker 7: bit sticky. And then with me, the other concern with
20:28
Speaker 7: Daniels is I think he's actually even more so than receiver.
20:32
Speaker 7: I think a guy who absolutely needs a rock solid
20:35
Speaker 7: offensive line just because of some of the you know,
20:37
Speaker 7: pocket management and like quick to run type of tendencies.
20:40
Speaker 2: That I see from him.
20:41
Speaker 7: I think, I mean, obviously nobody is going to replicate
20:45
Speaker 7: the Eagles offensive line, but like he needs to be
20:47
Speaker 7: in a Jalen Hurts esque like incubator where that you
20:51
Speaker 7: can kind of almost nullify that part, like that issue
20:54
Speaker 7: of his game. And I think, especially if he goes
20:57
Speaker 7: to Washington, that's going to be a problem because their
20:59
Speaker 7: offensive line is to arriable. And then I think even
21:01
Speaker 7: in New England it would probably be an issue because
21:03
Speaker 7: their offensive line is a little bit better than Washington's,
21:06
Speaker 7: but I think also still still very much an issue.
21:09
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, And you know that's
21:12
Speaker 5: why I've gravitated towards Drake May throughout this processes. I
21:15
Speaker 5: just feel like for the Patriots it's just makes more
21:18
Speaker 5: sense it fits together a little bit better. But I'm
21:20
Speaker 5: glad you brought up the things about Jayden Daniels as
21:22
Speaker 5: a processor, because I do think he is much better
21:26
Speaker 5: getting through progressions than some people would think at that
21:29
Speaker 5: type of quarterback. And I also think that, you know,
21:32
Speaker 5: even though he doesn't have the biggest of arms, the
21:35
Speaker 5: throwing motion and the mechanics of his throwing are really
21:38
Speaker 5: really clean, maybe even cleaner than Lamar coming out in
21:41
Speaker 5: some ways, and just in terms of the footwork and
21:43
Speaker 5: the mechanics of his release and things like that. But
21:46
Speaker 5: let's wrap this up with two quick questions on JJ McCarthy.
21:50
Speaker 5: We could probably go along on this one as well,
21:52
Speaker 5: so feel free to go as long as you want.
21:54
Speaker 5: But JJ McCarthy, I think this has been the most
21:57
Speaker 5: frustrating aspect. I'm not gonna lie to you, Derek about this.
22:01
Speaker 5: This process, this draft process, is that he's just without
22:04
Speaker 5: playing a football game, has all of a sudden come
22:07
Speaker 5: out of nowhere in his you know, a top five
22:09
Speaker 5: quarterback prospect that we have to take seriously at three. Overall,
22:12
Speaker 5: with that being said, I am taking it seriously. Do
22:14
Speaker 5: you take it seriously? Because at this point there's too
22:17
Speaker 5: much smoke for me to just completely dismiss that JJ
22:20
Speaker 5: McCarthy's in this conversation.
22:23
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do take it seriously, and I personally am
22:26
Speaker 7: not that high on him as a prospect, but I
22:28
Speaker 7: would be stunned if he falls any further than like
22:31
Speaker 7: the Giants at six. Like, I think there's almost no
22:34
Speaker 7: world where he gets past that, because I do think
22:37
Speaker 7: all of the you know, smoke about him going that
22:39
Speaker 7: high isn't smoke, Like that's I think it's very very real.
22:42
Speaker 7: I think teams really do like him in that mold,
22:44
Speaker 7: and I think a big part of the reason is,
22:47
Speaker 7: I mean, you get a lot of like, okay, you know,
22:48
Speaker 7: Big School won a lot.
22:50
Speaker 2: That's that's always going to help.
22:51
Speaker 7: But I think a lot of it too is his
22:53
Speaker 7: very young player who was in a general sense like
22:56
Speaker 7: kind of untested just between the competition that he was
23:00
Speaker 7: playing on relative or against, relative to how good his
23:03
Speaker 7: team was, and then just some of the things that
23:05
Speaker 7: the offense asked him to do, Like they run a
23:07
Speaker 7: pro style offense in the sense that they like go
23:10
Speaker 7: under center and they'll run play action and he gets
23:12
Speaker 7: to check plays.
23:13
Speaker 2: Every now and then.
23:14
Speaker 7: But in terms of the throws that they're actually asking
23:16
Speaker 7: him to make, and the stuff they're actually asking him
23:18
Speaker 7: to do in terms of posting that processing is not
23:22
Speaker 7: that much more impressive than like what Jaden Daniels was
23:25
Speaker 7: asked to do or Klub or Drake may like, it
23:27
Speaker 7: really isn't that different, even though the presentation looks a
23:29
Speaker 7: little bit more NFL like they did a lot of
23:32
Speaker 7: they would just do that like return motion where xtra
23:35
Speaker 7: receiver comes back into the formation, goes back out and
23:38
Speaker 7: they throw the fly out and it's like the easiest
23:39
Speaker 7: read in the world and he probably got a thousand
23:42
Speaker 7: yards just throwing that route. So I think because of
23:45
Speaker 7: all that relative untestedness, and then you look at the
23:48
Speaker 7: arm strength that he has, the athleticism again some of the.
23:52
Speaker 2: Winning you can just be like he's a mystery box.
23:54
Speaker 7: You can see whatever you want because there's such a
23:57
Speaker 7: relatively small sample of things, and then you just get
23:59
Speaker 7: to project tools into being whatever you want. I've been
24:02
Speaker 7: a little bit more cautious with it in terms of
24:05
Speaker 7: like how I project it, but I do understand why
24:08
Speaker 7: some teams are like, you know, you could project these
24:11
Speaker 7: tools with you know, three years of development into being
24:14
Speaker 7: you know what Jordan Love has become or something of
24:16
Speaker 7: that of that nature.
24:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good cop. But I think the biggest
24:19
Speaker 5: things with me with JJ's first of all, there's still
24:23
Speaker 5: some of those WTF plays on his film where he's
24:26
Speaker 5: just throwing the ball in the team meetings and stuff like.
24:28
Speaker 5: I can't get the Maryland game out of my head
24:30
Speaker 5: either where you know, he's back to back turnover worthy
24:33
Speaker 5: plays in the red zone, or the very very first
24:36
Speaker 5: play from scrimmage against Alabama and the playoff where he
24:39
Speaker 5: just throws a terrible and I don't think it counted.
24:41
Speaker 5: I think the guy was out of bounds or something,
24:43
Speaker 5: but it still counts in my book, right, you know,
24:46
Speaker 5: in PFF's turnover worthy plays, they'll still count. So you
24:49
Speaker 5: look at those types of plays those are are concerning.
24:52
Speaker 5: The other thing is that he has that wide, elongated
24:55
Speaker 5: base that he throws from to really drive the ball
24:57
Speaker 5: down the field. And I wonder, you know, going back
24:59
Speaker 5: to the mac Jones thing that we were talking about
25:01
Speaker 5: with Drake May, when those pockets are more condensed and
25:04
Speaker 5: there's more bodies around him, there's more people flying around,
25:08
Speaker 5: is the arm strength going to be as impressive as
25:10
Speaker 5: what it seems to be from those Michigan pockets, Like
25:13
Speaker 5: I feel like we had to adjust with Mac to
25:15
Speaker 5: Alabama pockets, like these are Michigan pockets that he's throwing
25:18
Speaker 5: from last year. So where do you kind of grade
25:22
Speaker 5: his physical tools because I feel like I'm a little
25:24
Speaker 5: bit lower on like his arm, talent and even his
25:28
Speaker 5: mobility at times than other people. Where other people talk
25:31
Speaker 5: about him on the same plane as Drake May. And
25:33
Speaker 5: when it comes to those types of traits.
25:36
Speaker 7: As it pertains to Drake May, Yeah, I don't think
25:39
Speaker 7: he's close to us talented as Drake May. And that
25:42
Speaker 7: is not even really to take away from JJ. That
25:43
Speaker 7: again is just like how much I think Drake May
25:45
Speaker 7: is super talented. My comparison for McCarthy's arm has actually
25:49
Speaker 7: been Baker. Yeah, where Baker can like he can put
25:53
Speaker 7: RPMs on the ball, Doue like he can spin it,
25:55
Speaker 7: especially over the middle of the field. It's just that
25:58
Speaker 7: Baker and j are very much throwers where it kind
26:02
Speaker 7: of takes everything in their body to get all of
26:05
Speaker 7: that velocity.
26:06
Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, that's cool.
26:07
Speaker 7: That gets them to where they need to be for
26:09
Speaker 7: the NFL threshold and all that stuff.
26:10
Speaker 2: It gets them over it.
26:12
Speaker 7: But because they're sacrificing, like you know, putting all of
26:15
Speaker 7: this effort into the velocity, they kind of lose a
26:17
Speaker 7: little bit of control. And I think you especially see
26:19
Speaker 7: that with McCarthy when he's either throwing outside the numbers
26:23
Speaker 7: where you need like a little bit of air under
26:24
Speaker 7: the ball, get some arc on it, when he's throwing
26:26
Speaker 7: like corner routes, some of the deep outs, all that
26:28
Speaker 7: sort of stuff. And then every now and then you
26:30
Speaker 7: can see it on like the crossing routes, like the
26:32
Speaker 7: deep overs they would throw in the offense where maybe
26:35
Speaker 7: it's trailman coverage and you can't.
26:36
Speaker 2: Just pin it on a guy.
26:37
Speaker 7: You've got to like put a little air under it,
26:39
Speaker 7: let your guy, you know, put the ball over the defender.
26:42
Speaker 2: I think sometimes he can struggle to do that.
26:44
Speaker 7: So I do agree in the sense of like physical talent,
26:48
Speaker 7: he's more of like a B B plus than like
26:50
Speaker 7: in the A plus range like Drake and Caleb and
26:53
Speaker 7: all that stuff. And then athletically probably not ever going
26:57
Speaker 7: to really be a guy that is a serious run
26:59
Speaker 7: threat for you. It could be like you know, where
27:02
Speaker 7: one or two times a game you run his own
27:04
Speaker 7: rate on you know, fourth and one or whatever. I
27:05
Speaker 7: think he could probably do that, But generally, I think
27:07
Speaker 7: he's more just a guy who gives you enough enough
27:10
Speaker 7: athletic ability to get outside the pocket and make plays.
27:13
Speaker 7: But he's not gonna be one of those guys who
27:15
Speaker 7: is like a serious, serious rushing threat every week, the
27:18
Speaker 7: way that you know Jaden or Drake or Caleb are
27:20
Speaker 7: going to be.
27:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, all right, last one for you. In
27:24
Speaker 5: terms of the rest of the quarterback class, I feel
27:26
Speaker 5: like that's the best way to put it. Who is
27:28
Speaker 5: your favorite out of the next tier of Pennix, Knicks,
27:32
Speaker 5: maybe even Spencer Rattler. Do you have a favorite out
27:34
Speaker 5: of that group?
27:37
Speaker 7: I go back and forth between Nix and Rattler because
27:41
Speaker 7: they're just two completely different flavors. Like I grade them.
27:44
Speaker 7: I have the same exact grade on them for Bleacher Report.
27:46
Speaker 7: It's just that one Nicks. Nix is more of like,
27:50
Speaker 7: I know what I'm getting here. I know I'm getting
27:52
Speaker 7: a guy who pretty accurate to almost all levels of
27:56
Speaker 7: the field, has enough arm strength, even though it doesn't
27:59
Speaker 7: really I think he's a good enough athlete to actually
28:02
Speaker 7: be more of a designed runner than even like JJ,
28:04
Speaker 7: who we just mentioned. I think he can be in
28:06
Speaker 7: the Daniel Jones, you know, get five hundred yards out
28:08
Speaker 7: of this type of runner.
28:10
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy.
28:11
Speaker 7: Who generally doesn't make mistakes, gets the ball out of
28:14
Speaker 7: his hands cleanly. He can do all the RPO, you know,
28:16
Speaker 7: quick game stuff. To me, he's more like in the
28:20
Speaker 7: I think if bo Nix becomes like Andy Dalton, that
28:22
Speaker 7: would not really be a surprise to me, and I'd
28:25
Speaker 7: really have a hard time seeing him be like terrible.
28:28
Speaker 7: So I think in the if you just want a
28:30
Speaker 7: guy who you know what you're gonna get, Nix is
28:32
Speaker 7: totally fine. I think if you want the flash, Rattler
28:35
Speaker 7: is the guy. Rattler is just like I think I
28:39
Speaker 7: said something like this on Twitter, but like, to me,
28:40
Speaker 7: the two guiding principles for like a really really good
28:44
Speaker 7: quarterback prospect are arm talent and pocket management. Rattler's got
28:48
Speaker 7: it man Like arm talent. I mean, I don't even
28:50
Speaker 7: need to really talk about that. I think we've all
28:52
Speaker 7: seen Spencer ratleyh throw football. But the pocket management stuff
28:55
Speaker 7: really impressed me when I went back and charged him,
28:57
Speaker 7: because that South Carolina offensive line. If you guys haven't
28:59
Speaker 7: seen it very bad, Like it's terrible.
29:02
Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on there.
29:04
Speaker 7: I think someone tweeted a thing where like I think
29:07
Speaker 7: in like ten of twelve games they had a different
29:09
Speaker 7: starting five up front, which is just that's not how
29:13
Speaker 7: you want to operate in the SEC.
29:14
Speaker 3: Especially in college.
29:15
Speaker 5: You don't see that very often.
29:16
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And so I think for him to have
29:20
Speaker 7: to deal with that was just really tough, and it
29:21
Speaker 7: obviously led to some just terrible plays because when you're
29:25
Speaker 7: behind on the scoreboard and you're under that kind of pressure,
29:27
Speaker 7: you're just naturally going to make bad plays. But I
29:29
Speaker 7: think you also saw a lot of really really good
29:31
Speaker 7: ability for him to move around the pocket, keep his
29:33
Speaker 7: eyes up, keep a firm base, throw from some really
29:36
Speaker 7: weird and tight platforms like we were just talking about
29:39
Speaker 7: with like you know, JJ and Jayden, that might be
29:41
Speaker 7: an issue, but with Rattler, I don't think that's a
29:44
Speaker 7: problem at all. I think he can make any throw
29:45
Speaker 7: from any platform, no matter how crowded it is. So
29:48
Speaker 7: I think there's definitely some consistency issues you're gonna have
29:51
Speaker 7: with Rattler in terms of accuracy, in terms of maybe
29:54
Speaker 7: some of his scattered decision making, but man, if you
29:56
Speaker 7: can get him into I think a little bit more
29:58
Speaker 7: stable situation than he had. The raw talent is just
30:01
Speaker 7: I think leaps and bounds better than any of the
30:05
Speaker 7: non top four guys.
30:06
Speaker 5: I love it.
30:07
Speaker 3: I love it.
30:07
Speaker 5: He's Derek Klassen from Bleacher Report and Reception Perception. Go
30:11
Speaker 5: give him a look on Twitter as well at QB
30:14
Speaker 5: class and Derek, I really appreciate you doing this. It
30:16
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun.
30:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. This
30:19
Speaker 2: is great.
30:20
Speaker 3: All right, folks, it's maybe the episode you've been waiting for.
30:22
Speaker 3: We still got quarterbacks to do, but today we're going
30:24
Speaker 3: to rifle through running backs, tight ends, and yes, wide receivers,
30:28
Speaker 3: all positions to need for the Patriots. Maybe tight ends
30:31
Speaker 3: a little bit less so after signing Austin Hooper and
30:33
Speaker 3: Hendra Henry there at that position. But let's start off
30:36
Speaker 3: with running back guys in this position. Start with you,
30:38
Speaker 3: Evan that you know it's kind of been devalued a
30:39
Speaker 3: little bit, and I don't think there's really a high end,
30:42
Speaker 3: you know, number one kind of guy, But there are
30:44
Speaker 3: a number of later round guys. Why don't you give
30:46
Speaker 3: us those some of the top round guys that maybe
30:48
Speaker 3: maybe maybe a little bit too soon for the Patriots.
30:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is not a particularly strong running back
30:53
Speaker 5: class at the top. Like you said, there's no Christian McCaffrey,
30:56
Speaker 5: there's no Saquon Barkley. There's not even a Jamier Gibbs
30:59
Speaker 5: in this class. This is or Bijon or one of
31:01
Speaker 5: those guys. This is a Day two and three running
31:04
Speaker 5: back class. I think the number one running back consensus
31:07
Speaker 5: for the most part is Blake Korum from Michigan. I
31:09
Speaker 5: also hear a lot of Benson from Florida State as well.
31:12
Speaker 5: He's up there too. But those two guys that are
31:14
Speaker 5: really the start, I would say probably in the third round.
31:19
Speaker 5: May maybe one of those guys sneaks into the back
31:21
Speaker 5: of the second round just because somebody wants to jump
31:23
Speaker 5: ahead and pick one earlier than everybody else will. But
31:26
Speaker 5: at some point in this draft there'll be a run
31:29
Speaker 5: of a run of running backs that will all come
31:32
Speaker 5: off the board, and those guys can all be a
31:36
Speaker 5: part of a committee and be you know, useful players
31:39
Speaker 5: at the NFL level. They're not again, they're not going
31:41
Speaker 5: to be bell cows. They're not going to be that
31:43
Speaker 5: stud running back. But if you're talking about getting a
31:47
Speaker 5: tag partner for Ramandre Stevenson, you know those exist in
31:50
Speaker 5: this draft in droves. Like there's a lot of those guys,
31:52
Speaker 5: but none of them really are looked at as like
31:54
Speaker 5: difference makers or game changers.
31:56
Speaker 3: What do you got, PAULI? And any of these guys
31:58
Speaker 3: strike your fans out?
31:59
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I like Korum a lot, but I
32:01
Speaker 4: agree with Evan in terms of, you know, where does
32:04
Speaker 4: it make sense for the Patriots. I also like Jonathan
32:06
Speaker 4: Brooks a little bit, although kind of one year of production,
32:10
Speaker 4: so maybe some question marks there. There are guys that
32:13
Speaker 4: were lead backs. There were guys that you know that
32:15
Speaker 4: certainly carried the load. But I think, you know, like
32:17
Speaker 4: Korum is a guy that you look at him, you're like, oh,
32:19
Speaker 4: he must be a passing back because he's not very big,
32:22
Speaker 4: but he is that kind of a league guy. And
32:24
Speaker 4: I like the way evn't talked about it. A tag
32:26
Speaker 4: team guy for Remandre Stevenson. I just don't think you
32:30
Speaker 4: can afford to do it. I think you're going to
32:32
Speaker 4: be looking at Day three guys and I'm not even
32:36
Speaker 4: sure that you have enough room for that. I think
32:38
Speaker 4: that that's it's a spot like you can't fill everything
32:40
Speaker 4: in one draft, and I'm not sure running back meets
32:43
Speaker 4: the threshold here. There's some guys that can play. And
32:46
Speaker 4: I would add, you know Benson as well with Florida
32:49
Speaker 4: State that Evan mentioned. I do like some of these players.
32:52
Speaker 4: I think there's some skill, not enough really for the
32:54
Speaker 4: Patriots to think about him in day two.
32:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as we get into day two, day three,
32:58
Speaker 3: tis any of those guys.
33:00
Speaker 6: I think Korum is a day two, day three guy.
33:02
Speaker 6: He kind of reminds me of Philip Lindsay, just very downhill.
33:04
Speaker 6: Also catch the ball. That's one of the comps over there,
33:07
Speaker 6: Philip Lindsay. They you know, yeah, no made a Pro Bowl.
33:11
Speaker 6: Yeah no, fifty eight rushing touchdown or touchdowns at Michigan.
33:14
Speaker 6: You can't ignore that. Can do a bit of everything.
33:16
Speaker 6: So that's kind of the sweet spot where i'd take
33:18
Speaker 6: a running back. Other than that, if you're the Patriots,
33:20
Speaker 6: you're looking six seventh round hopefully and maybe undrafted free agents.
33:23
Speaker 3: Were we were into Bucky Irving, we were at the combine.
33:26
Speaker 3: We were talking Bucky Irving and then he kind of
33:29
Speaker 3: had a terrible combine. But historically like his You know,
33:32
Speaker 3: he looked explosive in the games, but we got there
33:34
Speaker 3: in the testing numbers not so much.
33:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Bucky Irving's an interesting guy. And you know
33:39
Speaker 5: some some of these other guys too, like Tyrone Tracy
33:42
Speaker 5: Junior from Purdue or Dylan Lobby, the local kid from
33:44
Speaker 5: You and h those guys are all interesting. I just
33:46
Speaker 5: feel like when they sign Antonio Gibson, those guys are
33:49
Speaker 5: more of those sub package pass catching backs. Probably not
33:53
Speaker 5: what they're looking for now. They're probably looking for somebody
33:56
Speaker 5: in that early down roll Ramandre Damien Harris, like that
34:00
Speaker 5: sort of running back, which there are some options to.
34:03
Speaker 5: My My favorite running back of this entire class is
34:05
Speaker 5: Marshaon Lloyd from USC. I just think that he's got
34:08
Speaker 5: the ability to run between the tackles and catch the
34:10
Speaker 5: ball out of the backfield great Senior Bowl week. But
34:13
Speaker 5: he's also like a vertical threat in the passing game too.
34:15
Speaker 5: Seems you know, run the run the wheel route, you
34:18
Speaker 5: know that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, just definitely one
34:22
Speaker 5: of those backs that can do a bit of everything.
34:24
Speaker 5: And the way that he runs does remind me a
34:27
Speaker 5: little bit of Vermondre where he's a bigger back, but
34:29
Speaker 5: he has that ability to move laterally and make guys
34:32
Speaker 5: miss and find the right holes and things like that.
34:35
Speaker 5: So he's probably an early day three guy. I would
34:37
Speaker 5: say maybe end of round three, early round four, but
34:41
Speaker 5: you know that's probably where I started even thinking. Is
34:43
Speaker 5: that fourth round pick. I've kind of pegged it as
34:46
Speaker 5: a tight end spot, but maybe they think of it
34:48
Speaker 5: as more of a running back spot.
34:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. Braylen Allen from Wisconsin was once the other one.
34:52
Speaker 3: Giant dude. I mean, he's like fun to watch. Maybe
34:54
Speaker 3: not not Derek Henry, but like kind of similar size.
34:57
Speaker 6: I got a late round guy. I love the NFL bloodlines, Paul.
34:59
Speaker 6: We talked about this in the last episode. But Frank
35:02
Speaker 6: Gord Junior, all right, guy, I love Frank Gord Junior
35:05
Speaker 6: can handle the workload and that's like, you know, potential
35:08
Speaker 6: sixth seventh round guy. Maybe u DFA.
35:10
Speaker 4: So yeah. So Will Shipley is a guy that I've
35:12
Speaker 4: always kind of watched at Clemson. Pretty productive. I get
35:15
Speaker 4: a little worried about guys that have that much wear
35:17
Speaker 4: and tear before they even get into the league, but
35:20
Speaker 4: pretty productive guy. I agree again with both Tis and Evan.
35:24
Speaker 4: I don't think there's that star power in this group.
35:28
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be your flavor, your particular liking. You're
35:32
Speaker 4: gonna take someone in round five or something, and you're
35:35
Speaker 4: gonna hope that maybe he's better than Kevin Harris and
35:38
Speaker 4: maybe he can earn a roster spot. Will Shipley's a
35:41
Speaker 4: guy I thought that had some versatility, you know, a
35:44
Speaker 4: lot of production in the ACC. I know people don't
35:46
Speaker 4: think of that as as strong as his other conferences,
35:49
Speaker 4: but I think he has some ability to in Irving
35:52
Speaker 4: your guy, because you guys had me on Bucky Irving too,
35:55
Speaker 4: so I watched him man, you know, and Evans again
35:58
Speaker 4: right about Gibson probably mitigates that need, but he struggles
36:02
Speaker 4: in pass protection. I don't think that's.
36:05
Speaker 5: Uh, he's smaller. That that was not a.
36:06
Speaker 4: Third down back that you necessarily clamor.
36:09
Speaker 5: To, Yeah, he's a smaller guy. I think the hope
36:12
Speaker 5: was was that he does show a lot of explosiveness
36:14
Speaker 5: on tape and that that did not translate to the combine. Now,
36:18
Speaker 5: historically speaking, running backs, it's not a big combine position
36:21
Speaker 5: because so much of it is how you carry the
36:23
Speaker 5: ball in pads and how you break tackles and stuff
36:26
Speaker 5: like that, so it's not really a big combine position.
36:28
Speaker 5: But Bucky Irving is one of those guys. I think
36:30
Speaker 5: his r S was like one point nine out of
36:33
Speaker 5: ten or.
36:33
Speaker 2: Like it was.
36:34
Speaker 5: It was a bomb, you know, it was a very
36:35
Speaker 5: very bad combine. Sorry, I like you a.
36:38
Speaker 3: Lot, So let's let's then, uh, let's move on to
36:41
Speaker 3: tight ends. And I mean i'd say it's kind of
36:43
Speaker 3: a similar class maybe. I mean you have Jatavian Sanders
36:45
Speaker 3: probably at the top, but otherwise you're really looking at
36:48
Speaker 3: like day two day.
36:50
Speaker 4: Sorry, I I just you guys, do you know what?
36:55
Speaker 3: You know what the problem with brought Howers is? I
36:57
Speaker 3: just I You're limited because I'm like, I'm like, I
36:58
Speaker 3: can't even think about him. Don't even get excited about him,
37:01
Speaker 3: because there's plenty of reasons obviously to get excited about
37:03
Speaker 3: brock Bowers.
37:04
Speaker 6: So wanted you give us a little brock Bowers. I mean,
37:06
Speaker 6: he's been doing it for a while. Is he a
37:07
Speaker 6: senior junior senior junior junior? He did in the in
37:11
Speaker 6: the one of the finals he went off. So I
37:12
Speaker 6: wasn't really focusing too much on the top guys because
37:15
Speaker 6: as a fan. I'm a low worried if they pick
37:16
Speaker 6: a tight end above the fourth so I'll go down
37:20
Speaker 6: to some of the lower round guys. We talked with
37:22
Speaker 6: Tonat and at the combine, but also I said it
37:25
Speaker 6: in the intro episode, Dallon Hulker from Colorado State just
37:28
Speaker 6: one of those receiving tight ends. He can break loose,
37:31
Speaker 6: good hands, has some speed for being a big guy.
37:33
Speaker 6: So that's one of the guys I'd like to see
37:34
Speaker 6: the pass maybe snag.
37:35
Speaker 3: Later in the drafts. Sonat's all over the place right
37:37
Speaker 3: like everybody's got its Phil Perry. I mean, he just
37:39
Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of that sweet spot of like
37:42
Speaker 3: a fourth round kind of guy. Really athletic, you know,
37:45
Speaker 3: maybe needs to you know, work on blocking and who
37:47
Speaker 3: doesn't really at this level. But he's a favorite through
37:50
Speaker 3: I got a red flag on him.
37:51
Speaker 4: He's a tight end out of Iowa who went to
37:53
Speaker 4: Kansas State and Iowa what was wrong? And he played
37:56
Speaker 4: he played hockey with the tight end factory. Why didn't
38:00
Speaker 4: we go there?
38:01
Speaker 5: Well, there's a guy named Eric all who's also in
38:04
Speaker 5: this class, who plays at Iowa. But I'm just gonna
38:06
Speaker 5: come out and say this tight end class stinks. It's awful. Okay,
38:10
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be honest with you, especially coming off
38:14
Speaker 5: of the tight end class last year and how stacked
38:16
Speaker 5: that group was. This group is brock BAERs gap, Jitavian
38:21
Speaker 5: Sanders gap. People that might make an NFL roster. That's
38:25
Speaker 5: this class.
38:26
Speaker 6: Let's have it like some of the best NFL tight
38:28
Speaker 6: ends are drafted in the mid round, So who knows,
38:30
Speaker 6: it's crap teas.
38:32
Speaker 5: With that being said, Kate Stover So, Kate Stover is
38:36
Speaker 5: a converted defensive end, which I like, right because he's
38:40
Speaker 5: got he's got some some nastiness to him, you know,
38:43
Speaker 5: because he does come from that defensive background. So if
38:46
Speaker 5: you want a guy that can put his hand in
38:47
Speaker 5: the dirt and block some people, Cad Stover can do it.
38:50
Speaker 5: He's just not a dynamic receiver.
38:52
Speaker 4: Right, and he'll take some time. And the fact that
38:54
Speaker 4: you have Henry and Hooper, two veterans in front of him,
38:56
Speaker 4: would give you some time. But again, this is the
38:58
Speaker 4: day three guy. This is Yeah, you're just not in
39:01
Speaker 4: a position. It's not a luxury. That'd be a luxury
39:05
Speaker 4: pick to take a guy and not expect anything else.
39:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the one guy that I would probably
39:10
Speaker 5: put in that category of let's take this guy as
39:13
Speaker 5: a flyers, THEO Johnson from Penn State, because of how
39:16
Speaker 5: good he was at the combine six six two fifty five.
39:19
Speaker 5: He is the second most athletic combine tester at the
39:22
Speaker 5: tight end position. Ever, in thirty years of the combine,
39:25
Speaker 5: nobody has tested better than him, I think except one guy.
39:27
Speaker 5: Think it was Vernon Davis who tested ridiculous. So he's
39:31
Speaker 5: that ball of clay of just pure athleticism. Didn't have
39:35
Speaker 5: a ton of production at Penn State in the receiving game,
39:38
Speaker 5: passing game. But if you're looking for the untapped potential
39:41
Speaker 5: high upside, that sort of guy, I would say THEO Johnson.
39:45
Speaker 5: I've liked Benson it throughout the entire process, so I'm
39:47
Speaker 5: in on him as well. But in terms of this
39:50
Speaker 5: tight end class, there's just it's just not exciting. There's
39:53
Speaker 5: just not much there. And I think for a team
39:55
Speaker 5: like the Patriots that you really have so many holes
39:59
Speaker 5: to burn a pick in the top one hundred or
40:02
Speaker 5: the top one twenty five, even on one of these
40:04
Speaker 5: tight ends, it's gonna have to be the right guy,
40:06
Speaker 5: like it's gonna have to be a guy that you
40:07
Speaker 5: really like.
40:07
Speaker 3: I just throw Jared Wiley in there from TCU two
40:10
Speaker 3: just says, if you want like a third tight end,
40:11
Speaker 3: like a big blog, I mean, he's like a six
40:12
Speaker 3: six two seventy. I mean he's maybe that third guy,
40:15
Speaker 3: which I mean could be a role. But again, do
40:17
Speaker 3: you really need to draft that. They have so many
40:18
Speaker 3: other needs. So without further ado, though, we're gonna get
40:21
Speaker 3: right to the wide receivers now, and I'm not sure
40:23
Speaker 3: how much how long this segment's gonna go. We're gonna
40:25
Speaker 3: try to keep it right. Ivan, go easy on these guys, know,
40:30
Speaker 3: but we've been Look, we've we've been talking and we
40:32
Speaker 3: were saying before, like we've talked Marvin Harrison, Leak, Neighbors,
40:35
Speaker 3: Roma Dune Day, those kind of top Yes, yes, yes,
40:39
Speaker 3: them all. There's plenty of analysis out there. I mean,
40:41
Speaker 3: we can touch briefly upon those guys, but really it's
40:43
Speaker 3: more about more realistic options for the Patriots. Of course,
40:46
Speaker 3: like they could go sideways and take Harrison or Neighbors
40:49
Speaker 3: at the top. We don't really think that's gonna happen,
40:51
Speaker 3: but you know, I'll tee you up first.
40:52
Speaker 2: Evan.
40:53
Speaker 3: Though, as we get down, you know, into that like
40:55
Speaker 3: late first round, early second round. That's where the Patriots
40:58
Speaker 3: maybe are gonna be picking or they could trade up.
41:00
Speaker 3: Who do you see those guys in there? I know
41:01
Speaker 3: Adie Mitchell is probably the top.
41:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, Adie Mitchell, and both Texas guys Adie Mitchell, Xavier Worthy,
41:06
Speaker 5: both guys I think are really good, gonna be good pros.
41:10
Speaker 5: I have my tiers are published on on Patriots dot
41:13
Speaker 5: com for these receivers. I have twenty guys that I
41:15
Speaker 5: that I think are gonna be top one hundred picks
41:17
Speaker 5: in this class. Maybe at some point towards the end here,
41:19
Speaker 5: I'll just rattle all of them off so we can say, well,
41:22
Speaker 5: you didn't talk about this guy wedcad to go to
41:24
Speaker 5: a minute six second four, So I'll t tease up
41:28
Speaker 5: for this because we were just talking about this off
41:30
Speaker 5: the air. The one guy that rowse up for me
41:33
Speaker 5: more than any other player in this class from when
41:35
Speaker 5: I started doing this in January to now is Xavier
41:38
Speaker 5: Lagete from South Carolina. When I watched him initially, I
41:41
Speaker 5: got a lot of le viscashonal vibes down at the
41:44
Speaker 5: Senior Bowl. Also just stiff, you know, big you know,
41:48
Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty one pound guy, some vertical speeds,
41:51
Speaker 5: some scheme touchability, but not really a great route runner.
41:54
Speaker 5: But the more that you watch him, you see some
41:57
Speaker 5: other guys that he could develop into that are a
42:00
Speaker 5: much better comp than Leaviska. But I know you have.
42:04
Speaker 3: I had.
42:04
Speaker 6: I don't know if I get killed for this. I
42:06
Speaker 6: had a faster and Kwon Bolden. All right, he okay, No,
42:09
Speaker 6: I'm serious. He's built, he's got hands, he can he
42:11
Speaker 6: can play deep, play across the middle, a very dangerous
42:14
Speaker 6: can run after the catch. That's kind of like the
42:15
Speaker 6: guy the Patriots need. And this could be a second
42:18
Speaker 6: round steal. And that's like that sweet spot of where
42:20
Speaker 6: you want to get a guy. You hope he's a
42:21
Speaker 6: day one starter or at least gets a lot of
42:23
Speaker 6: playing time in his first year. So that's who I have.
42:25
Speaker 5: So the only thing I'd say about that is that
42:27
Speaker 5: an Kwon Bolden was an awesome route runner. Yeah, really
42:30
Speaker 5: quick feet, really good.
42:31
Speaker 4: Was also much faster when he came out of school
42:33
Speaker 4: than what people remember. Yeah, like the Arizona and Kwon
42:37
Speaker 4: Bolden was electric. I think he had two hundred and
42:40
Speaker 4: fifty yards in his first ever game. Yeah, and then
42:42
Speaker 4: he sort of became kind of plotting, the crafty guy.
42:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, can take the hits, good hands, reliable.
42:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what So my comp this whole time for
42:51
Speaker 5: the get Spindibo. I just think that he's one of
42:53
Speaker 5: those guys that probably isn't going to have a traditional
42:57
Speaker 5: NFL route tree, But if you just find different ways
43:00
Speaker 5: to get him the ball in his hands and let
43:02
Speaker 5: him run with it, whether it's quick hitters, over the middle,
43:05
Speaker 5: scheme touches, vertical routes, whatever, he'll be able to do
43:08
Speaker 5: those types of things. But I don't think that he's
43:10
Speaker 5: going to be one of those guys that's gonna have
43:11
Speaker 5: a ton of branches.
43:13
Speaker 4: So I would applaud that because I think there's a
43:15
Speaker 4: similarity between the two different guys that you chose. Obviously
43:19
Speaker 4: Deebo too with the South Carolina connection that might be
43:22
Speaker 4: part of I like him, I like Lagette, and I'm
43:26
Speaker 4: gonna trust Evan here. I'm gonna put my trust in
43:28
Speaker 4: Evan about the route running because I kind of saw
43:30
Speaker 4: a guy that kind of looked like he was rounding
43:33
Speaker 4: things off a little bit. But I'll trust that you
43:34
Speaker 4: watched a lot more than I did, Yeah, be an
43:38
Speaker 4: interesting guy, interesting prospect, and I alway did well, you know,
43:42
Speaker 4: testing and all that.
43:43
Speaker 7: You know.
43:43
Speaker 5: I don't like his route running just okay, yeah.
43:45
Speaker 4: I thought he was kind of rounded some stuff.
43:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, he's not a route runner.
43:51
Speaker 4: To feel better about it now.
43:52
Speaker 5: That's why I compared him to Debo, because I think
43:54
Speaker 5: he if he's in the right role and he's used correctly,
43:57
Speaker 5: he's such a game breaker before and after the catch
44:00
Speaker 5: with his speed, and there's only so many guys that
44:03
Speaker 5: at two hundred and twenty one pounds run a four
44:05
Speaker 5: to three nine like that doesn't just grow on trees.
44:07
Speaker 5: So I really like him, but I love I also
44:10
Speaker 5: really like the technicians in this class. I think all
44:12
Speaker 5: of them are really really good options. On day two,
44:16
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie, Lad mccaucky, Roman Wilson, Ricky piersall the two
44:22
Speaker 5: Washington kids, Polk McMillan, all those guys run routes. They
44:26
Speaker 5: all have PhDs in route running. They're all awesome at
44:29
Speaker 5: the top of the route. They all you have all
44:32
Speaker 5: that technical savvy that you want. I really like McMillan.
44:35
Speaker 5: A little bit later, if you're looking for like sixty eight,
44:38
Speaker 5: you know down the line here, I comped him to
44:40
Speaker 5: like a more explosive Jacobe Myers, you know, Jacobey Myers,
44:43
Speaker 5: but with a four four seven, like that type of player.
44:46
Speaker 6: So you didn't mention Troy Franklin. What are your thoughts
44:48
Speaker 6: on him?
44:49
Speaker 5: So, Troy Franklin, I liked initially his combine was rough
44:52
Speaker 5: and he ran a four to four to one, which
44:54
Speaker 5: was good speed, but it's not elite elite speed. My
44:57
Speaker 5: com for him has been Jerry Judy. I just think
44:59
Speaker 5: that he he's got much better route running skill than
45:02
Speaker 5: people give him credit for, but play strength and being
45:04
Speaker 5: able to finish through contact is going to be a concern.
45:08
Speaker 5: I think that there's a chance that he's got Jerry
45:10
Speaker 5: Judy like drop issues at the next level because of that.
45:13
Speaker 5: So that's why I think he's going to be able
45:15
Speaker 5: to separate. I don't think that's going to be an
45:17
Speaker 5: issue for him. It's going to be finishing the catches
45:20
Speaker 5: that's going to be more of the problem.
45:21
Speaker 4: Who else you Well, I just want to know if
45:23
Speaker 4: Evan could give us the summation to Keon Coleman his favorite.
45:27
Speaker 5: So here's the thing about Keon Colemanuh, Keon Coleman has
45:33
Speaker 5: a lot of red flags, and then there's also a
45:36
Speaker 5: very very high ceiling if he does reach the potential,
45:39
Speaker 5: he doesn't separate, he doesn't run well. His contested catchability
45:44
Speaker 5: is supposed to be his calling card. He only caught
45:46
Speaker 5: thirty three percent of his contested car charge targets last year.
45:50
Speaker 5: For comparison, Romadu's day caught seventy five percent of his
45:53
Speaker 5: contested targets. That's a mouthful. I can't say that. So
45:58
Speaker 5: you're telling me that this is like a jump ball
45:59
Speaker 5: artist who doesn't even really catch jump balls all that well,
46:02
Speaker 5: So what's the upside to Keyon Coleman is that he
46:06
Speaker 5: plays a lot faster than what he timed in the
46:09
Speaker 5: forty yard dash. So this is a guy that if
46:12
Speaker 5: you like the in game tracking data, you know, the
46:17
Speaker 5: GPS stuff, he's gonna run twenty plus miles an hour
46:21
Speaker 5: at six three two twenty five and that's gonna attract
46:24
Speaker 5: people to him. So I think at best, he's like
46:27
Speaker 5: maybe like an Alan Robinson type, you know that wins
46:30
Speaker 5: with that size and that ability to pick up yards
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Speaker 5: after the catch and you know, can test the grabs
46:35
Speaker 5: things like that. At worst, I see a lot of
46:38
Speaker 5: nik Kill Harry. I do like I see a lot
46:40
Speaker 5: of the same type of vibes as nik Kill Harry,
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Speaker 5: where he's you know, just a plotter, like he's just
46:45
Speaker 5: not particularly.
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Speaker 4: I saw him, you know, a couple of times watching
46:48
Speaker 4: Florida State games, and I was not overly impressed with
46:51
Speaker 4: anything but his size, his sheer size. So I kind
46:55
Speaker 4: of agree a couple of late guys, and I'm surprised,
46:57
Speaker 4: you know, mister bloodlines, right, I have just have other guys.
47:03
Speaker 4: I just think in terms of the whole double dip, right,
47:05
Speaker 4: we talk about the Patriots going to try to get
47:07
Speaker 4: somebody maybe in the second round, you know, or the
47:11
Speaker 4: third round, and then maybe you double dips. So I think,
47:14
Speaker 4: you know, Jermaine Burton had him pretty inconsistent. You know,
47:18
Speaker 4: the production's not I don't think where you would think
47:21
Speaker 4: for a program like Alabama, but you know these I
47:23
Speaker 4: think the second of two I wouldn't be too upset about,
47:26
Speaker 4: you know, maybe rolling the dice, you know, Brendan Rice being.
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Speaker 5: Love Jermaine Burton. I think Jermaine Burton, if good job, Paul,
47:33
Speaker 5: if Jamaine Burton wasn't a head case, there's something there's
47:36
Speaker 5: something going on, then he might be a top fifty
47:38
Speaker 5: pick in this draft, just simply based off of talent.
47:41
Speaker 5: He's a very good vertical threat. I comped him to
47:44
Speaker 5: Darius Slayton with the Giants, like he has that explosive
47:46
Speaker 5: down the field ability. But he's got a thicker frame,
47:49
Speaker 5: so he's not like Troy Franklin who's like a little
47:51
Speaker 5: bit frailer. So he's got a lot going for him
47:54
Speaker 5: physically and just in terms of the profile, but he
47:58
Speaker 5: he has some offfields.
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Speaker 6: I had Ricky Purse all we talked about earlier. Love
48:02
Speaker 6: him on real hands, which is key. I just don't
48:05
Speaker 6: know if he's the receiver the Patriots need right now.
48:07
Speaker 6: He's more of a slot guy. Yeah, But then also
48:09
Speaker 6: had tes Walker. We mentioned him in a couple episodes.
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Speaker 6: I just don't think there's any downside bringing him in
48:14
Speaker 6: with a potential quarterback he's familiar with.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I was kind of him. Yeah. I didn't
48:19
Speaker 3: really like him a first either, And I think the
48:20
Speaker 3: only reason I've kind of like opened up to him
48:22
Speaker 3: is just preally his speed and his connection with Drake May.
48:25
Speaker 3: If Drake May were to be here, But two other
48:27
Speaker 3: names I feel like we got to mention Malchi, Corley
48:30
Speaker 3: Good and Jevon Baker, two guys that Baker have kind
48:33
Speaker 3: of come on to lately, but not the fastest guy,
48:35
Speaker 3: but inside outside And you know you said it tisays
48:38
Speaker 3: like someone like Brendan Rice, like has some outside potential.
48:41
Speaker 3: And I think when you're getting down Patriots have a
48:43
Speaker 3: lot of interior receivers right now and as you get
48:45
Speaker 3: later into these picks like who can play on the outside,
48:47
Speaker 3: who can get off press, who's got speed enough to
48:49
Speaker 3: draw some coverage with him. So I don't know if
48:52
Speaker 3: those two guys are And Baker has some inside outside flexibility,
48:55
Speaker 3: but you know, Corley is again kind of a poor
48:56
Speaker 3: man's These are the guys I'm kind of drawn to.
48:58
Speaker 3: Laviiscus Chanal. You know, you're got those debo vibes a
49:01
Speaker 3: little bit because.
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Speaker 4: You know, you know, you and I were the only
49:03
Speaker 4: two fans.
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Speaker 5: Viscus is my comp for Coraley because Coraley his average
49:11
Speaker 5: air yards per target was five point five yards.
49:15
Speaker 3: This is this is that guy that.
49:16
Speaker 5: Caught like a million screens, a million slants, a million
49:20
Speaker 5: crossing routes, you know, over the middle of the field,
49:22
Speaker 5: and he's running back you know, with the football in
49:24
Speaker 5: his hands, so just let him run with it. I
49:26
Speaker 5: like the Baker shout a good, good player. I think
49:28
Speaker 5: you know, Alabama transfer goes to UCF for more opportunities.
49:32
Speaker 5: He's a good player. There's one other guy, oh, Johnny
49:35
Speaker 5: Wilson from Florida State is the is the last guy
49:37
Speaker 5: that in my top twenty that I don't think that
49:40
Speaker 5: we mentioned by name other than you know, BTJ and
49:43
Speaker 5: some of the other guys that are going to go
49:44
Speaker 5: at the top of the draft. But Johnny Wilson is
49:46
Speaker 5: an interesting player. Six six, two thirty monster, but runs routes,
49:51
Speaker 5: you know, can run routes pretty well. He's not he's
49:53
Speaker 5: not stiff, He's not you know. Kelvin Benjamin, you know,
49:55
Speaker 5: is a guy that can get in and out of
49:57
Speaker 5: a break and run some routes and do some different things.
49:59
Speaker 5: So this is a that this is one of the
50:02
Speaker 5: best receiver classes we're ever gonna say. It's it's honestly
50:05
Speaker 5: that good. It's top heavy, it's it's deep. Like there's
50:08
Speaker 5: gonna be a Puka Nakua in this class. I'm sure
50:10
Speaker 5: that's gonna get taken in the fourth or fifth round.
50:12
Speaker 5: That ends up being a stud to it's an impressive class.
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Speaker 3: We can just tell by how much we're talking about
50:17
Speaker 3: anybody there, anybody else, Paul. We didn't mention tease anybody,
50:20
Speaker 3: we did. I mean, I feel like we covered so
50:21
Speaker 3: much and that you know, speaks to your point, Evan,
50:23
Speaker 3: how deep of a class this is. It's a huge
50:25
Speaker 3: need for the Patriots. Paul and I've been going crazy
50:27
Speaker 3: for about five years now that they haven't hit on
50:28
Speaker 3: one of these guys. It's time they need to at
50:30
Speaker 3: least take one of them, maybe do the double dip,
50:32
Speaker 3: as Paul said, so plenty there to digest there at
50:35
Speaker 3: the weapons positions, all big needs. All right, that's gonna
50:38
Speaker 3: do it for this edition of Patriots Draft Countdown. Only
50:41
Speaker 3: two more shows left. We're gonna wrap things up with
50:43
Speaker 3: a live show there on April twenty, fourth, full hour
50:46
Speaker 3: long edition. I don't know what, Maybe we'll have some
50:48
Speaker 3: more news by then, but certainly a lot of build
50:51
Speaker 3: up here to the twenty twenty fourth draft.
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Speaker 2: It's a hugely important.
50:53
Speaker 3: One for the Patriots. So just two more weeks, two
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Speaker 3: more episodes to go. We'll see you next time.