Latest / Foul Territory / Ken Rosenthal’s Tarik Skubal trade possibilities, Mlodzinski’s gripe, Konnor Griffin’s IL trip helpful?

Transcript

Ken Rosenthal’s Tarik Skubal trade possibilities, Mlodzinski’s gripe, Konnor Griffin’s IL trip helpful? · Foul Territory

0:05
Speaker 1: I think this is crazy. The inside scoop of FT
0:07
Speaker 1: senior insider Ken Rosenthal. We're talking about Terrek's Schoogle trade
0:11
Speaker 1: options on June tewid Ken, and it's real.
0:13
Speaker 2: I mean, the team is way back.
0:15
Speaker 1: You covered an in depth on the latest Fair Territory episode,
0:18
Speaker 1: So I'm going to push it forward.
0:19
Speaker 2: And dive into potential team options.
0:22
Speaker 1: And I know the classic answer is anyone that's a
0:25
Speaker 1: contender would want him. But what are your initial thoughts
0:28
Speaker 1: about some teams that pop up that you think could
0:30
Speaker 1: be legit contenders. I would say maybe steering towards a
0:33
Speaker 1: team that has a true need for a starter that
0:37
Speaker 1: would pitch a playoff game. I know everyone could use him,
0:39
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, like someone who's like, hey,
0:41
Speaker 1: I really need a starter to make this team complete.
0:44
Speaker 3: First off, this is all predicated on him coming back
0:47
Speaker 3: and coming back healthy and showing he is the effective Trek.
0:51
Speaker 4: Schoogle that we all know.
0:52
Speaker 3: So what I wrote yesterday just to preview this a
0:56
Speaker 3: little bit or kind of explain the background, was that
1:00
Speaker 3: the Tigers, now fifteen games under five hundred, are all
1:03
Speaker 3: but buried. Now, maybe they had go out a run
1:06
Speaker 3: here once they get Schooble back and Labor Torres back,
1:09
Speaker 3: and the American League is weak.
1:10
Speaker 4: But fifteen games, sixteen.
1:13
Speaker 3: Games under five hundred, no team in this current playoff
1:16
Speaker 3: format has come back from that to make the playoffs.
1:19
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's where it starts. Now.
1:21
Speaker 3: The teams with the biggest needs right now, in my opinion,
1:25
Speaker 3: would be the Cubs because of the injuries, with Boyd
1:29
Speaker 3: coming back, but Horton still out, Steals still out, the
1:32
Speaker 3: Blue Jays who have an entire rotation on the IL,
1:35
Speaker 3: and the Padres who have dealt with rotation concerns all
1:39
Speaker 3: season and really done. Okay, all things considered, I would
1:43
Speaker 3: say those are the three teams.
1:44
Speaker 4: With the biggest needs. Now.
1:46
Speaker 3: You cannot rule out the Dodgers, and you cannot rule
1:49
Speaker 3: out the Yankees, you cannot rule out the Phillies, all
1:51
Speaker 3: of these big market teams with seemingly better rotations. But
1:55
Speaker 3: again it's trek scuble and when it comes to the Dodgers.
2:00
Speaker 3: One thing to keep in mind, payroll restrictions are coming.
2:04
Speaker 3: Most likely increased payroll restrictions in one form or another
2:08
Speaker 3: in the next CBA, whether it's a salary cap or
2:11
Speaker 3: whether there are simply adjustments to the current system that
2:14
Speaker 3: most likely will limit the Dodgers in a greater way
2:18
Speaker 3: than before. With that said, then maybe the Dodgers are
2:22
Speaker 3: incentivized to go out and do something big one more
2:26
Speaker 3: time before the restrictions come in. Not saying it's going
2:29
Speaker 3: to happen, I'm just saying that's the landscape.
2:32
Speaker 5: The question is always going to be, okay, well, who
2:34
Speaker 5: has the pieces to get Terrek's scuble? Is it fair
2:37
Speaker 5: to say that everybody has the pieces to get terrek
2:40
Speaker 5: schouble that you put on this list, not just oh, well,
2:44
Speaker 5: you know they're kind of devoid in there. Everybody has
2:47
Speaker 5: enough to get Trek's scruble. But you're mentioning teams that
2:51
Speaker 5: are willing to give up enough.
2:55
Speaker 4: Well, he's a rental, that's one thing.
2:57
Speaker 3: He's also going to cost at the deadline round ten
3:00
Speaker 3: million dollars.
3:01
Speaker 4: In payroll edition.
3:03
Speaker 3: So there aren't many teams or a lot of teams
3:06
Speaker 3: that are going to be willing to give up top
3:08
Speaker 3: prospects and take on that money. They might be one, two, three,
3:11
Speaker 3: or four, who knows, but that's the situation that these teams.
3:16
Speaker 4: Would be dealing with.
3:17
Speaker 3: So a team like the Brewers has the number one
3:20
Speaker 3: farm system in the game according to most analysts, and
3:24
Speaker 3: yet this is not a team that generally likes to
3:26
Speaker 3: mortgage any part of its future or take on ten
3:29
Speaker 3: million dollars at the deadline.
3:31
Speaker 4: Might they do it, sure, they might. Might Tampa Bay
3:33
Speaker 4: do it? Yes, But when it comes to which teams.
3:37
Speaker 3: Have the prospects, and do all teams have the prospects,
3:41
Speaker 3: I would assume Eric the answer to that is, yes,
3:44
Speaker 3: all teams can do it, but it's a question of willingness.
3:47
Speaker 4: And it's a question of depth too. I've mentioned this a.
3:50
Speaker 3: Few times with regard to the Brewers. They have depth
3:53
Speaker 3: on the left side of their infield going forward like
3:57
Speaker 3: few other teams. They've got a shortstop and third basement
3:59
Speaker 3: ready to come up pretty much right now, Cooper Pratt
4:02
Speaker 3: and Jet Williams. They've got guys behind them Jesus My Day,
4:06
Speaker 3: Louis Pana, Andrew Fisher. That's just the left side of
4:10
Speaker 3: their infield. So they're in a really good spot if
4:14
Speaker 3: they want to do it now. A team like the
4:16
Speaker 3: Blue Jays perhaps might only have one top one hundred
4:20
Speaker 3: guy that they're willing to move that will make sense
4:23
Speaker 3: in a trade like this, so they would have perhaps
4:25
Speaker 3: more of a disadvantage.
4:27
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying the Blue Jay system isn't good enough.
4:29
Speaker 2: It is.
4:29
Speaker 4: I'm just giving a hypothetical there. So we'll see.
4:32
Speaker 3: And obviously, number one, he's got to pitch and come
4:37
Speaker 3: back and pitch well enough.
4:38
Speaker 4: Number Two, the Tigers have to.
4:40
Speaker 3: Understand where they are, and I imagine that they will,
4:44
Speaker 3: and then we'll see what happens.
4:47
Speaker 6: Ken, thanks for prenching the blue Jays. There's a troll
4:49
Speaker 6: in the chat. They keep saying we don't talk about
4:51
Speaker 6: the blue Jays, So thank you for mentioning the blue
4:53
Speaker 6: Jays there, because I was going to ask you about
4:55
Speaker 6: the blue jaysus to shut that person up in the chat.
4:57
Speaker 6: But is this on Scott harro So, is this is
5:00
Speaker 6: Scott Harris big move time? Is Scott Harris being judged
5:03
Speaker 6: on what he does with Trek schougbl because we all
5:06
Speaker 6: said in the offseason they needed to go out and
5:08
Speaker 6: make some moves after the way they collapsed. And yes,
5:11
Speaker 6: they came close to winning the DS and beating the Marrors,
5:13
Speaker 6: but they didn't hit the way they needed to. And
5:15
Speaker 6: a lot of Tigers fans that i've talked to have said, Man,
5:18
Speaker 6: Scott Harris, he just didn't get it done this offseason.
5:21
Speaker 6: So is this Trek Schoogle move a chance to make
5:24
Speaker 6: a decision of Scott Harris to move on or not
5:27
Speaker 6: the the biggest one maybe in his tenure.
5:30
Speaker 4: Well, I would say that for sure.
5:32
Speaker 3: And anytime you trade a player of this caliber, even though,
5:35
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, there is the rental aspect, there's the
5:39
Speaker 3: money aspect, and then there's also the fact that the
5:43
Speaker 3: return will be diminished by the fact that the team
5:45
Speaker 3: that gets him cannot make him a qualifying offer at
5:48
Speaker 3: the end of the season, so you're not getting a
5:49
Speaker 3: draft pick on the end of this.
5:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.
5:52
Speaker 3: Sure, Scott Harris will be under a lot of scrutiny
5:56
Speaker 3: if this trade indeed comes to pass. And a lot
5:59
Speaker 3: of times these trades aren't as fruitful as you would expect,
6:02
Speaker 3: and a lot of times they work out okay, So yeah,
6:07
Speaker 3: that's part of how he will be evaluated. But what
6:09
Speaker 3: Tiger fans are upset about, from what I've gathered, is
6:12
Speaker 3: just the construction of this team and how it was
6:15
Speaker 3: put together, and the fact that they still have kind
6:19
Speaker 3: of the same offensive questions they've held on to certain
6:22
Speaker 3: young players, maybe too long, the normal things that GM's
6:26
Speaker 3: presidents of baseball operations get asked about and evaluated on.
6:31
Speaker 3: So that is the greater question here. Did they do
6:34
Speaker 3: enough to put a good enough team together? And when
6:38
Speaker 3: you look at their offense, it's one of the worst
6:40
Speaker 3: in the league. When you look at their defense, it's
6:42
Speaker 3: one of the.
6:43
Speaker 4: Worst in the league.
6:44
Speaker 3: Now, they will say, and with some justification, of course,
6:49
Speaker 3: injuries have played a huge part in this. Currently have
6:52
Speaker 3: fourteen players on the injured list, ten pitchers, and they
6:55
Speaker 3: were without Kerry Carpenter for a time, they were without
6:58
Speaker 3: Labor Torres. Still no question injuries are indeed a part
7:03
Speaker 3: of what has happened to here, but as always, all
7:06
Speaker 3: teams have them, and that excuse generally goes only so far.
7:13
Speaker 2: Kratz, I know you love dad jokes. This is not
7:15
Speaker 2: a joke. Ridges.
7:16
Speaker 1: Five and one travel power bank is the answer to
7:19
Speaker 1: all of your messy wires all over the place issues.
7:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I don't need more tube socks.
7:26
Speaker 5: I need this because somebody is going to use my
7:28
Speaker 5: phone that I fully charged and then dies halfway through
7:31
Speaker 5: the softball game that I go to. So this will
7:34
Speaker 5: lock it in and my friend next to me who
7:36
Speaker 5: forgot to charge his phone.
7:38
Speaker 1: Ridge makes life better. They revolutionize the wallet right now.
7:42
Speaker 1: They're doing it with a portable charger. It solves all
7:46
Speaker 1: of your issues. So many elite features smag safe wireless charging,
7:50
Speaker 1: Apple Watch charger, Lightning USBC, every way you need to charge,
7:54
Speaker 1: all in one premium device. The colors are Swag one
7:57
Speaker 1: Thing to Pack, five Ways to Power For a limited
7:59
Speaker 1: time to get up to forty percent off during Ridge's
8:01
Speaker 1: huge Father's Day sale at Ridge dot com slash foul,
8:04
Speaker 1: don't miss one of their biggest discounts all year. Just
8:06
Speaker 1: head to Ridge dot com slash foul and you're all set.
8:09
Speaker 1: After you purchase the last where you heard about them.
8:11
Speaker 1: Please support our show and tell them we sent you.
8:14
Speaker 5: And Scott Harris said that the team is just automatically
8:17
Speaker 5: going to get better because all the players that are
8:19
Speaker 5: returning are going to be a year older. But not
8:22
Speaker 5: to drag Scott Harris down here, but it's just a
8:25
Speaker 5: quote that was kind of from the offseason. I want
8:29
Speaker 5: to go to a team that you would put in there,
8:30
Speaker 5: The Phillies, the Phillies of Zach Wheeler. They have Christopher Sanchez,
8:35
Speaker 5: if they make a move at Trek scouble. Yes it's
8:38
Speaker 5: for a year rental, Yes it is obviously going to
8:42
Speaker 5: bolster any rotation. But is it signifying what we already
8:46
Speaker 5: know about the Phillies that this is the last two
8:50
Speaker 5: years whatever window for the Phillies to win this.
8:54
Speaker 3: Well, when I put them in my column, and I
8:57
Speaker 3: included them, I included the americ largely because their owner
9:01
Speaker 3: John Middleton and their president of baseball Operations Dave Dombrowski.
9:05
Speaker 4: Are among the most competitive at their respective jobs. I
9:09
Speaker 4: don't know that that is even in dispute.
9:11
Speaker 3: Those guys like to win, they want to win badly,
9:15
Speaker 3: and Dobrowski has never been afraid to make the big
9:18
Speaker 3: move at the deadline or any other time for that matter.
9:20
Speaker 3: So I don't know that they see it so much
9:24
Speaker 3: as the window closing as Hey, we've got a good
9:27
Speaker 3: enough team, let's go for it, let's make this happen.
9:30
Speaker 4: Now.
9:31
Speaker 3: If you're a Phillies fan watching this, you're probably saying,
9:33
Speaker 3: wait a second, The problem with this team is not
9:36
Speaker 3: the starting rotation. The problem is the offense. And that
9:40
Speaker 3: is certainly true. Looked up the other day, the Phillies,
9:42
Speaker 3: I believe were bottom five in a number of offensive categories.
9:46
Speaker 3: That's shocking when you look at who's on that team.
9:49
Speaker 3: But at the same time, Dombrowski historically loves pitching. You
9:54
Speaker 3: would expect that with the players they have on that roster,
9:57
Speaker 3: they're going to come around offensively, and to a certain
10:01
Speaker 3: degree with some of those guys it has happened. Marsha
10:03
Speaker 3: has been really good, Scott has been better, Boom okay.
10:07
Speaker 3: But ultimately, in the end, if they can get Trek
10:12
Speaker 3: Skoogle and they can get him at a price they
10:14
Speaker 3: deem reasonable. And again they have luxury tax issues like
10:17
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, so you're effectively paying double in salary for
10:21
Speaker 3: what you will be getting here.
10:23
Speaker 4: You have to pay the penalty, That's what I'm talking about.
10:26
Speaker 3: So I don't know if they would actually do it
10:29
Speaker 3: when they would have other needs, of course, But at
10:32
Speaker 3: the same time, I just don't rule out Dombrowski and
10:35
Speaker 3: Middleton in a situation.
10:36
Speaker 7: Like this, Well, would you, Dobrowski. Dombrowski's not afraid. We
10:41
Speaker 7: don't know that it's awesome.
10:43
Speaker 6: Kent Connor Griffin recently has been talked about this, why
10:47
Speaker 6: do players need a break amongst the one sixty two
10:49
Speaker 6: because I remember when I was a young player, I
10:51
Speaker 6: wanted to play every day. You know why, Listen, Connor
10:54
Speaker 6: Griffin got a bigger contract than I ever got, but
10:56
Speaker 6: I was playing for not only a contract, but my
11:00
Speaker 6: teammates and.
11:01
Speaker 7: Also just the fact I wanted to play. If they
11:03
Speaker 7: if the.
11:03
Speaker 6: Team would have come to me and said, hey, you
11:05
Speaker 6: need to take ten days off because you're getting a
11:07
Speaker 6: little tired, I said, yeah, watch these next ten games.
11:10
Speaker 6: How hard I play, they would have never been able
11:13
Speaker 6: to tell me what is going on at Pittsburgh.
11:16
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, he seems to definitely have an
11:19
Speaker 3: issue with his elbow.
11:20
Speaker 4: I believe it is.
11:21
Speaker 3: Yes, this is not a phantom il, but this topic
11:25
Speaker 3: has come up, and AJ It's come up on some
11:26
Speaker 3: of our FOX meetings with different managers. How in today's game,
11:33
Speaker 3: unlike when you came up through the minor leagues, when
11:35
Speaker 3: you did that and when Eric did that, you guys
11:38
Speaker 3: played every day today.
11:40
Speaker 4: It's different. First off, those are built in off day
11:43
Speaker 4: from minor leaguers on Monday.
11:44
Speaker 3: We know that there's also generally a scheduled off day
11:48
Speaker 3: for minor leaguers. And I'm talking about position players here.
11:53
Speaker 3: Often a dhday as well, so they do not get
11:56
Speaker 3: accustomed to the grind the way you guys did. And
11:59
Speaker 3: the travel also is different. Remember in the minor leagues
12:02
Speaker 3: now you play six straight days in one city. It's
12:06
Speaker 3: not as much of a grind as it was for
12:08
Speaker 3: you guys and the miners. And it's certainly not as
12:10
Speaker 3: much of a grind as it is in the major leagues.
12:13
Speaker 3: So with younger players, and it's not just Griffin, it's
12:16
Speaker 3: all these guys who come up Weatherhole, mcgonagill, name will
12:19
Speaker 3: one name any of them, there is certainly a concern that, yeah,
12:23
Speaker 3: they'll get fatigued because they're not accustomed to playing one
12:26
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty games in a season and playing it
12:29
Speaker 3: at the major league level. It's a much different atmosphere
12:33
Speaker 3: than they came up with. And I've spoken with some
12:36
Speaker 3: managers who say this has to change. The minor leagues
12:39
Speaker 3: have to become more like the majors again in order
12:42
Speaker 3: for these players to be developed properly to be ready
12:45
Speaker 3: to do what they have to do at the major
12:47
Speaker 3: league level.
12:48
Speaker 6: Ken I was just going to say, that's my biggest gripe,
12:51
Speaker 6: And people ask me about this all the time. Pitching
12:53
Speaker 6: injuries and position player injuries. We don't teach them how
12:56
Speaker 6: to play every day because they don't do it at
12:59
Speaker 6: any point until you to the major leagues. And if
13:01
Speaker 6: you don't teach pitchers how to pitch every fifth day,
13:04
Speaker 6: then how are they ever going to get to the
13:05
Speaker 6: big leagues?
13:06
Speaker 7: And they pitch once a week.
13:07
Speaker 6: They pitch once a week in high school, they pitch
13:09
Speaker 6: once a week in college, they pitch once a week
13:11
Speaker 6: in the minor leagues, and then they get to the
13:12
Speaker 6: major leagues and say, hey, you need to pitch every
13:14
Speaker 6: fifth day. It's never happened before, right, And then you're
13:17
Speaker 6: talking about the minor league position players. We used to
13:19
Speaker 6: go two weeks, play every day, have twenty hour bus
13:23
Speaker 6: rides in between, show up at four o'clock, and whatever
13:26
Speaker 6: city you want to call it, we'd be in Fort Wayne.
13:28
Speaker 6: We'd have to drive to Appleton, Wisconsin, twelve hours. After
13:31
Speaker 6: a night game. You get in at seven, eight in
13:34
Speaker 6: the morning, ten in the morning, whatever it is, one noon,
13:37
Speaker 6: take a two hour nap, and guess what you're playing
13:39
Speaker 6: that night at seven. They don't have any of that anymore,
13:41
Speaker 6: which is fine. It's all good. I get understand all that.
13:43
Speaker 6: But if you're going to tell these kids in we
13:45
Speaker 6: need you to play every day, we got to do
13:46
Speaker 6: it in the minor leagues. I'm up here dropping my
13:49
Speaker 6: son off at summer ball and they're saying, hey, there's
13:51
Speaker 6: some nice bus rides. You get home at four in
13:53
Speaker 6: the morning, and you have to play that night. I'm like, yeah,
13:55
Speaker 6: welcome to my major league world. So I agree with
13:58
Speaker 6: these people that are saying this, because if you want
14:00
Speaker 6: to teach people how to be major leaguers and pitch
14:02
Speaker 6: every fifth day or play one hundred and fifty games,
14:05
Speaker 6: you got to start in.
14:05
Speaker 7: The minor leagues.
14:06
Speaker 6: And it's a lack of teams to play for, it's
14:09
Speaker 6: a lack of players. There's a whole wider range that
14:12
Speaker 6: we don't have enough time to get into. Well, you
14:14
Speaker 6: just said it made my heart happy, Ken, So thank.
14:15
Speaker 4: You, pleasure AJ.
14:18
Speaker 3: And the flip side of it is, from the team's perspective,
14:21
Speaker 3: we're trying to condition these guys better, we're trying to
14:23
Speaker 3: keep them healthy, we're trying to be more mindful of
14:27
Speaker 3: their physical well being. We all get that, and that
14:31
Speaker 3: on the surface is a good thing, but as you said,
14:35
Speaker 3: there are questions being raised by people in the game,
14:37
Speaker 3: prominent people about whether these guys are being trained properly
14:40
Speaker 3: and with pitchers. You can even take it a step
14:42
Speaker 3: further when you are developing them and not having them
14:46
Speaker 3: throw ninety to one hundred pitches in a game.
14:48
Speaker 4: How are they going to do that at the major
14:50
Speaker 4: leagues right away? They're not ready to do that right away.
14:53
Speaker 3: And again, as you said, it's a discussion that is
14:57
Speaker 3: a lot broader than what we're doing here and can
14:59
Speaker 3: be something that we spend an entire show on.
15:02
Speaker 5: Quite honestly, Ken is the Carmen Maginski thing out in
15:06
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh with him not wanting to be a reliever or
15:09
Speaker 5: whatever the words he said is. It's something that is
15:13
Speaker 5: only unique to baseball that if somebody says I don't
15:17
Speaker 5: want to play the position or be in the position
15:20
Speaker 5: that this team is putting me in, that you can't
15:23
Speaker 5: speak up. You know, people say, Oh, what is this
15:25
Speaker 5: guy's problem?
15:26
Speaker 7: Football?
15:27
Speaker 5: People are like, good for you hold out basketball, Oh
15:30
Speaker 5: you requested a trade. We love this guy. I'm glad
15:33
Speaker 5: he's gonna be coming to my city.
15:36
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about other sports. I don't follow
15:38
Speaker 4: them closely enough to really have a great opinion on
15:41
Speaker 4: that with mcginski.
15:43
Speaker 3: I will give you what I perceive to be the
15:45
Speaker 3: player's side of this, and I know a lot of
15:48
Speaker 3: fans are on him and believe he should just do
15:50
Speaker 3: whatever the team wants.
15:52
Speaker 4: He most likely believes right now he's better than Bubba Chandler.
15:56
Speaker 3: He's performed better than Bubba Chandler. And from that, you're
16:01
Speaker 3: gonna put me in the bullpen. I'm not gonna be
16:03
Speaker 3: stretched out anymore. I won't be able to go into
16:05
Speaker 3: the rotation again so easily. And hey, that's money, because
16:12
Speaker 3: of course starters get paid more than relievers down the line,
16:14
Speaker 3: and this will ultimately be held against him. That is
16:18
Speaker 3: an understandable point of view. The other point is, hey,
16:22
Speaker 3: it's the Pittsburgh Pirates. They're trying to win, and maybe
16:25
Speaker 3: this is the best way for them to win what
16:27
Speaker 3: has been their biggest problem, the bullpen. So I do
16:31
Speaker 3: see both sides of this, and I know it's easy
16:34
Speaker 3: to dump on the player and say he should just
16:36
Speaker 3: do whatever the team wants, and ultimately he's going to
16:39
Speaker 3: do that.
16:39
Speaker 4: And he was only on the restricted list for one day.
16:42
Speaker 4: I didn't perceive that to be a very big deal
16:44
Speaker 4: at all.
16:44
Speaker 3: But at the same time, if you put yourself in
16:49
Speaker 3: his shoes, you can at least understand why this is
16:53
Speaker 3: upsetting to him.
16:55
Speaker 1: Hey, Ken, last one overall, and on this, I'm sure
16:59
Speaker 1: you saw how the word went to the team reporter
17:03
Speaker 1: first Jason Mackie, and then you know, eventually, I guess
17:06
Speaker 1: the media is going to get to speak with Karmen
17:08
Speaker 1: about this. The media is pretty ferociously pissed off about this,
17:13
Speaker 1: So your thoughts as someone who is deep in this scene,
17:17
Speaker 1: I get why they're upset.
17:18
Speaker 3: And in a perfect world, he would have been available
17:23
Speaker 3: to all reporters so they can ask all questions. This
17:26
Speaker 3: was an orchestrated set up thing and it was only
17:29
Speaker 3: going to go one way.
17:30
Speaker 4: It was going to go in.
17:31
Speaker 3: A way that made the Pirates look good and probably
17:33
Speaker 3: mcjinski look good.
17:35
Speaker 4: At the same time. I don't ever believe that it's.
17:40
Speaker 3: Constructive for reporters to complain when a source call it
17:46
Speaker 3: the pirates here give a story to another outlet. You'll
17:51
Speaker 3: never see me complain about an agent or a team
17:55
Speaker 3: leaking a story to another outlet. It's just nobody wants
18:00
Speaker 3: to hear it, and that's the.
18:01
Speaker 4: Way it is.
18:01
Speaker 3: People have their right to give information to whoever they
18:05
Speaker 3: want to, so I didn't think it was a great
18:07
Speaker 3: look for those guys to go public with it.
18:09
Speaker 4: I do understand their frustration.
18:11
Speaker 3: We've all been in that position, and it doesn't speak
18:13
Speaker 3: well of the Pirates that they would do this, just
18:16
Speaker 3: make them available to everyone, subject him to questions from everyone,
18:20
Speaker 3: instead of having this team friendly thing happen.
18:24
Speaker 4: And that's what it was. So I get it. If
18:27
Speaker 4: I'm a fan, I'm upset. If I'm a reporter, I'm upset.
18:30
Speaker 3: But I just don't know that publicly complaining about it
18:34
Speaker 3: is going to be something that people embrace. Most fans,
18:38
Speaker 3: from my experience, don't want to hear from reporters and
18:41
Speaker 3: their sides of these things. They just want the information.
18:44
Speaker 3: They just want to see how it gets out there
18:46
Speaker 3: or what gets out there. So that was my view
18:49
Speaker 3: of it. I understand those guys being upset, but at
18:51
Speaker 3: the same time, the Pirates can do whatever the heck
18:54
Speaker 3: they want to do, and then these guys can write
18:56
Speaker 3: whatever the heck they want to write too.
18:59
Speaker 7: Nice and just so just so I know this, when Majinski,
19:02
Speaker 7: how do you say.
19:03
Speaker 6: Itski Maginski is on Team Poland, in the next w
19:07
Speaker 6: b C.
19:08
Speaker 7: He's a starter. I just want to make sure that
19:09
Speaker 7: we have.
19:09
Speaker 6: A miss Maginski we Robleski's all right.
19:13
Speaker 7: We've got a good we got a good rotation. Can't start. Yeah,
19:16
Speaker 7: we're doing all right.
19:17
Speaker 4: How about the manager Prazinski?
19:19
Speaker 7: Oh cut, but manager slash d h R. You kidding me?
19:22
Speaker 7: You might need a bath.
19:26
Speaker 8: Now.
19:27
Speaker 2: He doesn't qualify. He's not a ski. You have to
19:29
Speaker 2: have ski at the end of the name.
19:31
Speaker 1: Otherwise everybody's Polish.
19:35
Speaker 2: I know that schooble Ski.
19:37
Speaker 1: All right, great, well, Ken, we've gotten to that point
19:40
Speaker 1: where thank you, appreciate it.
19:41
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you later.
19:43
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
19:44
Speaker 1: All right, Ken Rosenthal back on Thursday, and yes it's June.
19:48
Speaker 1: It's okay. Ask trade questions. I saw some in here.
19:51
Speaker 1: I saw, you know, people ask about a number of teams.
19:53
Speaker 1: We had a pretty set agenda we wanted to get
19:55
Speaker 1: to today just being straightforward. The good news is every
19:58
Speaker 1: Thursday you can ask questions live at twelve thirty Eastern,
20:01
Speaker 1: So lunch break, whatever it is, throw a question Ken's way.
20:05
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
20:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he said.
20:08
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
20:10
Speaker 7: That's what he said.
20:11
Speaker 1: That's what he said, Hey, a few notable guests in
20:16
Speaker 1: the past week on FT. So let's start with Will
20:19
Speaker 1: Smith on Dodgers territory talking about the ABS challenge system.
20:25
Speaker 9: Obviously, the ones that are are for sure, you know,
20:27
Speaker 9: strikes that they miss, you're going to challenge that. But
20:31
Speaker 9: I mean even then you're I'm usually pretty confident when
20:33
Speaker 9: I do, and sometimes I'm still wrong. So it's you know,
20:36
Speaker 9: bigger situations. You know, men's corn position obviously, you know
20:41
Speaker 9: two strikes, three ball accounts as well. Yeah, I think
20:46
Speaker 9: I think there's some pitches that are the borderline that
20:49
Speaker 9: you can flip a coin, but you might be in
20:50
Speaker 9: favor of with certain pictures. But yeah, just just kind
20:54
Speaker 9: of feeling situation out feeling you know, sometimes the pitcher
20:57
Speaker 9: might need a strike, they're kind of struggling. Then there
21:00
Speaker 9: might be a time to try to get them back
21:02
Speaker 9: in the zone by by getting by getting it called
21:04
Speaker 9: you know, reversed. So just a lot of thought. It's
21:09
Speaker 9: a lot of reactionary but just well thought out kind.
21:11
Speaker 1: Of pre I guess, yeah, so well thought out pre
21:16
Speaker 1: I mean, as you can imagine, there's conversations that are
21:19
Speaker 1: ongoing age a since it's new, but also conversations I
21:22
Speaker 1: guess before the game about what might be good moments.
21:25
Speaker 1: You don't know when it's going to pop up. But
21:27
Speaker 1: point is you don't want to waste it early.
21:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, there are good challenges and there
21:33
Speaker 6: are bad challenges, and it's all about the scoreboard at
21:35
Speaker 6: the time of game. And there's also players that are
21:38
Speaker 6: just selfish and don't care and they just challenge because
21:40
Speaker 6: they think they're right, and then they get them wrong
21:42
Speaker 6: and it costs their team. So I agree with this.
21:44
Speaker 6: You have to have a conversation about this. But there's
21:47
Speaker 6: more good challenges than bad challenges. If it affects the
21:49
Speaker 6: outcome of a game, or possibly could affect the outcome
21:52
Speaker 6: of a game, I say challenging. But you're starting to
21:54
Speaker 6: see some guys that there's some borderline pitches early in games.
21:57
Speaker 6: They will not challenge because they know later on they
21:59
Speaker 6: might need it.
22:00
Speaker 2: Mmm. That's smart.
22:05
Speaker 1: That's what you should be paying attention to. Hey, krats,
22:07
Speaker 1: this next one's for you. So former Phillies GM Matt
22:11
Speaker 1: Klintech was just on the Phillies Show.
22:13
Speaker 2: Remember him.
22:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to get the Phillies through their
22:17
Speaker 1: rebuild process.
22:18
Speaker 2: It did not work out.
22:19
Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski took over, it has worked out better in
22:22
Speaker 1: terms of success, but he did do some things like
22:25
Speaker 1: acquire Christopher Sanchez.
22:28
Speaker 10: It's not I mean, it's a little different. I suppose
22:30
Speaker 10: that what we were talking about with Sanchez, but it's
22:33
Speaker 10: similar in that it was the ball of play. It
22:35
Speaker 10: was the same approach. You know, He's he's six foot seven,
22:39
Speaker 10: has crazy extension down the mound. Right when he releases
22:42
Speaker 10: the ball, it's right on top of the hitters. And
22:45
Speaker 10: that was the case when he was pitching as an amateur,
22:47
Speaker 10: but he was pitching in junior college, the strike throwing
22:51
Speaker 10: was you know, very meh, and that you had to
22:55
Speaker 10: you had to bet on projection and development. And to
23:00
Speaker 10: his credit and all the people that have helped him,
23:04
Speaker 10: you know, he's been able to make those jumps. But
23:07
Speaker 10: I think when when we're looking at no matter where
23:10
Speaker 10: you work, you're always looking for pictures that have that
23:14
Speaker 10: kind of upside. So again, he and Sanchez are deffinitive,
23:17
Speaker 10: different profiles, different arsenals, a lot of differences, but I
23:20
Speaker 10: think they're similar in that way that even when they
23:23
Speaker 10: weren't when they were younger players that weren't fully polished.
23:27
Speaker 10: You could still look at them and kind of dream
23:29
Speaker 10: on the.
23:29
Speaker 1: Ceiling there Matt Clintech talking about comparing Christopher Sanchez and
23:35
Speaker 1: the miz who have been compared a lot lately for
23:38
Speaker 1: their numbers in the past month. But he's now a
23:40
Speaker 1: special assistant in the Brewers' front office. That's also where
23:43
Speaker 1: you get the connection their crafts that that he had
23:46
Speaker 1: Sanchez and then now you know, compares him to the
23:48
Speaker 1: mizz where he works. So the Brews actually have quite
23:50
Speaker 1: a few of these guys. Dad Levine is a special
23:53
Speaker 1: advisor with the Brewers as well. But anyway, thoughts on
23:57
Speaker 1: on Clintech. I, you know, I haven't heard his name
23:59
Speaker 1: in it, but it's not like it's been forever. It's
24:02
Speaker 1: probably been what five six years.
24:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he left the Phillies around twenty twenty
24:08
Speaker 5: one somewhere and there. I didn't look it up before
24:09
Speaker 5: we talked about this, but yeah, I mean, you know,
24:13
Speaker 5: what is cool comparison because it's tough to compare lefties
24:17
Speaker 5: and righty's. It's tough to compare, you know, a guy
24:20
Speaker 5: with an elite changeup that people forget. Christopher Sanchez does
24:23
Speaker 5: throw ninety seven ninety eight. But comparing them is and
24:29
Speaker 5: Christopher Sanchez is totally apples and oranges. The only similarity
24:33
Speaker 5: is they both are dominant pitchers. And I think Clintex's
24:39
Speaker 5: time as a GM maybe the reason we haven't heard
24:41
Speaker 5: from him. I think he lacked one of the pieces
24:44
Speaker 5: of being a GM and running an organization as the
24:47
Speaker 5: head lead, which I think the Brewers do a really
24:50
Speaker 5: good job of of really delving into the person and
24:54
Speaker 5: getting the most out of that person and not just the.
24:58
Speaker 7: Metrics of all.
24:59
Speaker 5: He's six foot se and he's you know, he throws
25:02
Speaker 5: a ball that does this or that, Like there's there's
25:06
Speaker 5: different things that make an organization tick like the Brewers
25:10
Speaker 5: that I feel like he didn't implement when he was
25:12
Speaker 5: with the Phillies.
25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got the data analysis people and then the
25:17
Speaker 1: people skills people, and you get the blend, and that's
25:19
Speaker 1: when you get the perfect front office leader. Lastly, Buck
25:23
Speaker 1: Showalter talking about Zach Britton and the Mound visit during
25:26
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen Alds he was on Birdland Territory.
25:30
Speaker 8: You know, I was getting ready for that series. The
25:32
Speaker 8: matchup I didn't like, and there weren't many matchups that
25:35
Speaker 8: I didn't like with Zach. I didn't like castallanas. He's
25:38
Speaker 8: a down hitter, low ball one typically for a right
25:43
Speaker 8: handed hitter. You know, he smothered the ball up and
25:46
Speaker 8: didn't do a whole lot of damage, but the ball
25:48
Speaker 8: down and I just and I said to myself, warn
25:50
Speaker 8: that series, I have a chance to keep him from
25:52
Speaker 8: hurting us against Zach. I was going to do it,
25:56
Speaker 8: And sure enough, here it came. Now, if you remember right,
25:59
Speaker 8: they had ship earlier in the game and the people
26:02
Speaker 8: hitting in the bottom of order and their pinshitter, there
26:05
Speaker 8: wasn't a whole lot of damage behind him there. So
26:10
Speaker 8: you know, what do you call it whistling in the graveyard?
26:13
Speaker 8: When I went out there, I said, here's what we're
26:14
Speaker 8: gonna do, Zach. We're gonna walk this guy. You know,
26:16
Speaker 8: Zach didn't want to walk anybody, but I didn't give
26:19
Speaker 8: him much choice. That's you know, you don't want to
26:20
Speaker 8: put him in that in that spot. These guys would
26:23
Speaker 8: always ask a picture if they want to walk somebody, Well,
26:26
Speaker 8: if your picture is not very good, if he says yes,
26:28
Speaker 8: I do you know that's your job. That's not some
26:31
Speaker 8: not third job. And I said, we're gonna get this
26:34
Speaker 8: guy to roll over a ground ball. Here. We're gonna
26:35
Speaker 8: get on the bus and go home. And if I'm
26:39
Speaker 8: leaving the mount, I go, I don't know about that,
26:43
Speaker 8: you know, but I remember Ryan Flairt he was playing third,
26:46
Speaker 8: said it's a ball one hopping and he was getting
26:49
Speaker 8: ready to throw the second he went, are.
26:50
Speaker 2: You that's a good story. I love that stuff.
26:56
Speaker 1: Aj when you break down the playoff scenarios years later.
27:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean.
27:01
Speaker 6: And the fact that Bucket thought about this before and
27:03
Speaker 6: then it comes into it comes into play is amazing.
27:06
Speaker 6: I think this is why managers. Certain managers are just great.
27:10
Speaker 6: And I think that they think about they try to
27:13
Speaker 6: think about all scenarios before they come up. And this
27:15
Speaker 6: one came up and he did what he thought it
27:17
Speaker 6: were would work, and it worked and.
27:19
Speaker 7: They moved on. So good for you, book, and we'd
27:21
Speaker 7: love to have you on book because I love when
27:23
Speaker 7: you ask us questions.
27:26
Speaker 1: I love when I take a break with Buck Buctober
27:29
Speaker 1: Buck the roller coaster hops on and takes over the
27:32
Speaker 1: hosting well to ask you guys, let me ask you this.
27:36
Speaker 2: It's a very unique style. It's great.
27:39
Speaker 1: We'll have him back on soon, but get interviews this
27:41
Speaker 1: week on the Ft Network on the variety of our
27:43
Speaker 1: shows