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Fungi Found? Signs Your Tree May Be in Trouble · Talking Trees with Davey Tree

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Deby Tree Expert Company's podcast, Talking Trees.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Doug Oester.
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SPEAKER_00: Each week, our expert arborists share advice on seasonal tree care, how to make your trees thrive, arborists' favorite trees, and much, much more.
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SPEAKER_00: Tune in every Thursday to learn more because here at the Talking Trees Podcast, we know trees are the answer.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm joined again this week by Madison Law.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a sales arborist from the South Houston, Texas office of the Davy Tree Expert Company.
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SPEAKER_00: Today it's all about fall fungal problems.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: How are you, Madison?
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, Doug.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm doing well.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope you've been good.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: It's been a minute since we last talked, but I'm glad to see you again.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm glad we're talking about fall fungal issues because uh all it did over here in Pennsylvania was rain all summer.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've had everything imaginable.
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SPEAKER_00: Before we start getting into those fungal problems, uh take me through your season.
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SPEAKER_00: What is it like in Houston?
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SPEAKER_00: When when it when is summer?
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SPEAKER_00: How long is summer?
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SPEAKER_00: When does fall?
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SPEAKER_00: What is winter like?
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, everybody knows that it's pretty much just summer down here.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've spent a lot of Christmases in shorts.
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SPEAKER_01: So we have a lot of heat, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would say our spring months are pretty much, you know, about late March to maybe just mid-May.
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SPEAKER_01: And then after that, it's just straight heat all the way through pretty much October.
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SPEAKER_01: So um then we get our false fall, which is normally about two to three weeks of actually pleasant weather where you want to be outside.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the rest is just bitterly cold.
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SPEAKER_00: What is your planting season like?
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SPEAKER_01: So our planting season down here normally for larger trees is going to be anywhere between the end of November all the way to about mid-March or so, right before that spring season hits, because our spring warms up really fast.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk about these fall fungal issues.
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SPEAKER_00: What is the first thing that comes to mind for you uh in your climate?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_01: So Armalaria root rot is definitely one of the biggest ones that we deal with.
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SPEAKER_01: And it also affects tons of plants across the United States.
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SPEAKER_01: They uh grow pretty much on anything deciduous, evergreen, they don't differentiate.
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SPEAKER_01: Their root rot begins underground, which can make it really hard to detect, which I think a lot of homeowners can sometimes struggle with because it's like, how did you not know my tree had this before it starts showing those signs, right?
2:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, we can't see underground, so how would we know?
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SPEAKER_01: And we don't have microscopes for eyes, which the fungal spores on mushrooms is so very, very tiny that you would need to see the fruiting bodies, which is the actual mushroom itself.
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SPEAKER_01: And so when I see a mushroom on a client's tree, I always encourage them, you know, you can take the mushrooms away, but it's better if you leave it so we can follow the path of decay, such as with armillaria.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's a real serious one, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it a fruiting body that we see on top?
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SPEAKER_00: Do we do we actually see something?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: So armillaria looks like a kind of a yellowish, orange, brown type of fungal, how to describe it, like a ladder system on top of each other.
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SPEAKER_01: They just build on top of each other and make this big old mat, normally at the base of a tree, because again, it is a root rot.
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SPEAKER_01: So it can be encouraged if people over mulch, if there's too much moisture around the tree, it can help encourage fungal activity, especially down south because we have so much heat, all that extra moisture is just the perfect habitat for fungal bodies, like armalaria.
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SPEAKER_00: And if we do have a tree with armalaria, what do we do?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it fatal?
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SPEAKER_01: In most cases, it is.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, because armalaria is affecting the root system, it's really difficult to re-encourage root growth.
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SPEAKER_01: There are some things we can do, but you can't fix decayed wood, right?
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SPEAKER_01: If the wood is decayed, it's dead.
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SPEAKER_01: We can't bring dead tissue back to life.
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SPEAKER_01: And in the center of all trees, you know, the heart wood is dead tissue.
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SPEAKER_01: So if it becomes infected, then that can lead to structural problems with the tree later on, not to mention the root system is not going to be able to support the live tissue.
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SPEAKER_01: So in most cases, uh it's best if you just take the tree down.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the first time I ever saw it, I was walking out of the radio studio with an arborist from Davy after, you know, interviewing him.
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SPEAKER_00: And he saw that at the base of a tree, which was right next to the building, and then on the other side, the other target was a parking lot.
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unknown: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And he just looked, he just looked down at that and he just said, That tree's a goner.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So I contacted the property manager, and guess what?
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SPEAKER_00: The tree is still there.
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SPEAKER_00: They never did anything about it, but it's gonna one way or another, it it's it's going to be an issue.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, especially a tree in a next to a parking lot.
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SPEAKER_01: Those are what we call uh high target trees.
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SPEAKER_01: Basically, if they fail, which means they fall over, they lose major branches, the likelihood that they're going to strike a person, um, a thing of value, like a car in a parking lot, is much higher than if it's just in a field.
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SPEAKER_00: How often do you see it?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you see it a lot, or is it here and there?
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SPEAKER_01: It's here and there.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's kind of more towards, you know, if we have a really wet spring, you can see it.
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SPEAKER_01: Or if it's in like the fall season now, we're getting all of our thunderstorms come through, the changing of the seasons are starting to happen.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see fungal activity a lot more prominent now versus in the summer when you have a lot of drought and a little too much heat.
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SPEAKER_01: They like that fine balance between lots of moisture and lots of heat.
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SPEAKER_00: So, for uh your area, what's next on your list?
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SPEAKER_00: Things that are concerning you during the fall as far as fungal issues are concerned.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, if we're following the fall whimsy, you know, Halloween's coming up, Thanksgiving.
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SPEAKER_01: I definitely want to talk about fairy rings.
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SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of those before?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I have.
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SPEAKER_01: Fairy rings.
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SPEAKER_01: They are a turf grass kind of fungal problem.
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SPEAKER_01: If they get super severe, they can kill patches of grass.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, they don't affect trees necessarily, but they are really difficult to get rid of.
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SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people have probably seen them in their yards and thought, oh my God, what's happening?
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SPEAKER_01: My trees are dying, my grass.
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SPEAKER_01: And mostly they're not gonna be a huge issue, you know, especially down south where we get the heat come up so fast, it kind of cooks them right away and they're they're gone for the next season.
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SPEAKER_01: They are basically tiny white mushrooms that grow in a circular pattern somewhere in your lawn, sometimes around trees, sometimes just in the middle of nowhere.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I see a lot of homers, I get a lot of calls about them.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's going on with my yarn?
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SPEAKER_00: I think they're cool looking, but I guess they're not a good thing, though, huh?
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SPEAKER_01: No, I'm I mean, it's they have a lot of folklore attached to them where they say if you walk into a fairy ring, the fairies will come and transport you to a magical place where you will never be seen again.
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SPEAKER_01: So I guess it depends on how whimsical you feel that day.
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SPEAKER_00: I like that.
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SPEAKER_00: I like that a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna find myself a fairy, we're gonna get transported someplace.
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SPEAKER_00: I like that idea.
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SPEAKER_00: But any anything like that that's in the yard, uh when it does fruit, uh it has a fruiting body like that, like you said, if it gets hot, they're gone, you could rake them out, right?
7:50
SPEAKER_01: Not so much as easy as to rake them out.
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SPEAKER_01: See, what happens is the mycelial uh roots that fungus uses, it's not the same as tree roots, can spread really, really far.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you're not digging up, you know, that top portion of the soil along with those mushrooms, those fruiting bodies, you're not gonna do anything.
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SPEAKER_01: It will regrow and it'll come back strong as ever, like, yeah, you thought you got me.
8:18
SPEAKER_00: What's next?
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SPEAKER_01: So, probably the next one that I love talking about is chicken of the woods.
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SPEAKER_01: This mushroom is so cool.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is bright, it is flavorful, it is a really unique mushroom that I wish we got to see more down here, but I know that you guys get to see it more up north, correct?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm waiting for mine.
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SPEAKER_00: In fact, I just had a conversation yesterday with a friend of mine who works at a nursery.
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SPEAKER_00: She's uh what would you call it?
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SPEAKER_00: Mushroom.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Is there a word for somebody who loves mushrooms and always grows mushrooms and is always looking for mushrooms?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: But she said, have you have you seen the mushroom yet?
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, No, I haven't seen it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm on four acres and it's all mostly hardwood.
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SPEAKER_00: So I usually see them by this time of the year.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you said, there's no mistaking it.
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SPEAKER_00: But whenever we talk about eating mushrooms, we have to uh throw out some some safety rules right off the bat, right, Madison?
9:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yes.
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SPEAKER_01: We are but you and I are by no means encouraging people to go out and taste random mushrooms they find.
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SPEAKER_00: They will kill you, folks.
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SPEAKER_00: They will kill you.
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SPEAKER_01: Please don't do it.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're unsure, don't eat it.
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SPEAKER_00: Even with even with uh Chicken of the Woods, that I know what it looks like.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing else it looks like.
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SPEAKER_00: It's this orange shelf mushroom.
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SPEAKER_00: I always take a picture of it and I send it to my local mushroom club.
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SPEAKER_00: And in a day they tell me, yes, that's what you think it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I have been out doing stories on people foraging for mushrooms, and a so-called expert comes back and a scientist looks at it and says, No, that's not what you think it is.
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SPEAKER_00: And not only can it make you very, very ill, some of these mushrooms can kill you.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: So, with that uh in mind, tell us all about chicken of the woods.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, with that wonderful disclaimer there in the front, let's talk chicken of the woods.
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SPEAKER_01: So, like you said, chicken of the woods is a really beautiful bright yellow-orange mushroom that forms fungal shelves, which are the same thing, that ladder system where they're growing, they're following the decay up the tree.
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SPEAKER_01: And it can be really striking, especially in a forest.
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SPEAKER_01: You see this real dark tree.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, normally they grow on oak trees, which are the most common, but they can also be found on eucalyptus, ewes, uh, sweet chestnut, willows, even.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, if there's any portion of decay in those spores infect and they take hold, they can start.
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SPEAKER_01: So, chicken of the woods is that bright color.
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SPEAKER_01: The fruiting bodies, or they can be salmon.
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SPEAKER_01: I've seen that sometimes, but it's always best to check with experts or scientists because the spores can help lead to identifying what those mushrooms actually are.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the fruiting bodies typically grow sometime around summer to fall.
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SPEAKER_01: However, they can appear at any time of year.
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SPEAKER_01: It just depends on if the conditions are right.
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SPEAKER_01: So, like earlier this year, we had a really wet winter and a really wet spring, which prompted a ton of growth really early in the season.
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SPEAKER_01: So sometimes things like that, high nitrogen, if you know, there's a lot of decomposition, it can also spark rapid growth.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I really expected to see by this time of the year up here, chicken of the woods and other mushrooms because of our wet season.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh, Madison, I went out a couple years ago walking out towards the garden.
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SPEAKER_00: I looked up in an oak tree, and probably 30 feet up was that big orange chicken of the woods mushroom.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know if that's such a good thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And eventually they climbed up there, my Davy team and took a hammer, and I could hear from below that it was hollow.
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SPEAKER_00: So with that mushroom, though, is that one that we worry about if we see it on a tree, if we see it on an oak tree in general, I it's not that pervasive, is it?
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SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't say that.
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SPEAKER_01: So when you have a mushroom, you have decay, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Of some kind.
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SPEAKER_01: So that always first and foremost warrants um an inspection of the tree, you know, and that's when it's good to call out an arborist or an expert to check it out.
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SPEAKER_01: So with chicken of the woods, it's super beautiful, it's a great mushroom, but it's following that path up the decay.
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SPEAKER_01: And some species of that mushroom cause brown rot within a tree, which is basically leading to become uh making the tree become super brittle.
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SPEAKER_01: And then that makes it super dangerous to climb or put someone in the tree to remove it.
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SPEAKER_01: So as soon as you see any kind of fungus growing, and it could be something simple like lichen that's different colored, you know, or it could be something super serious like armillaria, chicken of the woods.
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SPEAKER_01: Have an arborist come out and take a look at it.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is how smart the host is of the Talking Trees podcast, because a branch fell off that tree and crushed a garden shed.
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SPEAKER_00: I put a new garden shed there, and that was the day or the year that I looked up and saw that chicken of the woods mushroom up there.
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SPEAKER_00: Now they really had to take be careful about taking that tree down because again, you've got a target right underneath it.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: So if the host of the podcast would have been smarter, he would have had that done before he put the new shed in place.
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SPEAKER_00: So, people, if you're if you're out there and you're thinking, like, gosh, why did I do that?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, here's a guy supposed to know all about trees and everything, and I didn't do the right thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So they say hindsight's 2020.
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SPEAKER_00: So do you eat that mushroom?
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SPEAKER_01: I have never personally tried the mushroom.
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SPEAKER_01: For me, I'm always a little worried about eating mushrooms, even if I know what it is, because there's a lot of different features to identify mushrooms.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not just color where it's growing.
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SPEAKER_01: There's also the underside of the mushroom.
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SPEAKER_01: So you have some mushrooms that have gills, some have just tiny, tiny dots everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a firm matte.
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SPEAKER_01: Some are spongy.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: I don't personally like mushrooms much myself, anyway, because I don't like the texture.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if I'd be willing to try it.
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SPEAKER_01: But maybe if you served it to me on a plate and said, Hey, this is just some chicken, have some, I might be fooled into trying to bite.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the texture is different than a normal mushroom.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it is more like chicken, but as with anything from the wild, you really have to be careful just because you don't know how your body is going to react to it.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: So whether it's uh wild violets or chicken of the woods mushroom, just taste a little bit first and see how your body reacts to it.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, there's also different kinds of resources.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: So I know uh you can send mushrooms to labs and they will take a look at them.
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SPEAKER_01: You can send pictures as well as actual uh specimens and they will test them to see what they actually are.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: And I know that there's always people who make mushroom logs.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you get the spores you want, you can always grow your own mushrooms, and then you wouldn't have to worry if they're not the right ones that you found in the woods one day.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's what my friend does, and she has them like growing inside in like bags or something.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: And uh she showed me a picture yesterday of all these mushrooms.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh I guess you have to be a mushroom lover, though.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: And and I I have a good friend who just like you, Madison, no mushrooms for him, just the texture, the whole thing.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're a little rubbery.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm just I'm not about that texture.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: But you know, the easiest way to protect your trees is just to keep them naturally healthy as best you can.
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SPEAKER_01: Fertilizing, proper pruning, evaluating with an arborist, you know, because like I said before, it's hard to see when the decay is happening, and those fruiting bodies really help us to track the progress of the fungus.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's nothing we can do.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: You can remove the mushrooms, you can scrape them off, but they're still gonna be there.
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SPEAKER_01: They're uh the roots underneath are gonna keep growing.
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SPEAKER_00: With your wet winter and wet spring, which I have to assume is is actually great in Houston to get some rain.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes?
17:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it it's a yeah, it depends on how much.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm I'm thinking Texas, I'm thinking drought.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: When I when I hear the word Texas, I think drought.
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SPEAKER_00: And so when I hear you talk about a wet winter and wetter, wet spring, I'm like, oh well, that's a good start to the season from a growing gardening perspective.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: You didn't seem so excited when I said, all that rain was great.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: You kind of look on your face like, I don't think so, Doug.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Our problem is we have really tight clay soil, so we have about two, two and a half or a half, a foot and a half to two feet of normal soil that's porous, can handle it, maybe even less in a lot of areas, especially urban areas.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the rest is just solid clay.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: All right.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: And our our clay has really tiny pore space, so it holds water and it basically runs away.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: There's no drainage, there's no percolation, it's all just holding there.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: So then we have all that extra moisture, and as it gets warmer, it's perfect for fungus.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna ask with that start to the season like that, have you seen more fungal issues than uh a drier season?
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Definitely a lot more fungal issues, fairy rings everywhere, everywhere.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, next time we have a wet winter, if you still want to be teleported, you can always come back down to Texas.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna ask, are you are you stepping into the fairy rings?
18:31
SPEAKER_01: I try really hard not to.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: My grandmother always told me, Madison, don't step in those fairy rings.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, grandma, okay.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: So I to honor her, I don't, you know.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: Besides, who after my cats if I got teleported away?
18:47
SPEAKER_01: They can't come with me.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: With that soil, just tell me a little bit about planting in that stuff, man.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: That can't that can't be easy.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: It is back-breaking work to plant in clay soil.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of soil remediation that has to be done, especially for trees that are already here that have been growing for a while.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: So that's why, you know, polyphosphytes, um, putting in the atoms earth, all that extra stuff can really help the trees breathe.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Because when you get root distress, normally here it's because the trees aren't breathing well under the soil, because the pore space is so small and so tight, they have no oxygen to breathe anyway.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: So when you add those additives in, it can make it a lot easier.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: So when you're planting, you want to add some of that stuff in to help encourage the root growth and to start that maximum porosity in the soil because we're not planting in sand, right?
19:44
SPEAKER_01: Or silt, just clay.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: That's all we got.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: So you're digging this big hole, right?
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Two or three, two or three times bigger than the root ball.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Are you mixing all this good stuff in with the native soil and then putting it back in, or how does it work?
20:01
SPEAKER_01: So you would be surprised how much of the original soil actually goes back into the planting hole, right?
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Because you've got the the root ball already established.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Of course, you're gonna break it up a little bit.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: So you would still integrate a little bit of the natural soil in it, but integrating other things that help drain the soil, like I've planted trees before where we put rocks at the base, or we put gravel at the bottom of the planting hole to help with drainage, you know, especially on properties where the drainage has been such an issue.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: And then you scar or you cut into the root ball a little bit on the edges to help prevent from girdling roots.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: And then also introduce some fertilizer, the Adam's earth, all that stuff, activated charcoal, biochar is a really great additive for the roots uh whenever you're planting.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: So all these things just get kind of like a blenderized into the planting hole to re-encourage that root growth.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: Are there any fungal issues there that you you deal with like from a foliage standpoint in your climate?
21:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, not so much, not any that I could think of.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: I think the one that comes to mind is actually powdery mildew, which can affect the trees, but it happens so irregularly here, it's not that big of a concern.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Mostly we have a lot of root issues.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, Madison, you touched on this already, but is keeping that tree healthy as far as fertilization and everything a way to stop fungal issues, or is it just able for the tree to fight off the fungal issue?
21:50
SPEAKER_01: That is a really great question.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: So there is really no way for us to absolutely 100% always prevent fungal issues from happening.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: If the conditions are right and the tree is weak enough, it can happen.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing as if you took cold medication and then never got a cold again.
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SPEAKER_01: That just wouldn't happen, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Same thing with the trees.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we can prune them properly, we can fertilize them all the time, we can do all these things.
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SPEAKER_01: We're just giving it the best chance to not contract those issues, right?
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SPEAKER_00: All right, Madison.
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SPEAKER_00: Good stuff as always.
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SPEAKER_00: Great to talk to you.
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SPEAKER_00: And the next time I step into a ferry ring, I will text you when I'm transported to Texas and uh you can meet me there.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll uh go out and have some barbecue, okay?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that sounds great.
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SPEAKER_01: Send me photos.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Madison.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll talk to you next time.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Doug.
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SPEAKER_01: You have a good one.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, wasn't that fun?
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SPEAKER_00: I thought so.
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SPEAKER_00: Always great to talk to Madison now.
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