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Panthers blueprint laid out for success as Hurricanes come through! · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Jonathan Brooks is moving fast and looks better than expected trades are making the panthers season easier and experimental changes that nickel were covering it tonight on the C3 Panthers podcast let's rock Tony Darn and not two of but to do our brother let's
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Having to say school first, But fans are snooze and opinions Only one podcast More is for the most explained It doesn't mean that there's podcasts Wow, wow, wow!
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: the Panthers blueprint laid out for success as the hurricanes come through.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: The hurricanes are playing right now and game one of the Stanley Cup finals.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: They were up one nothing when I walked in from the other room and I'm getting on the TV in the background here.
• 1:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a, it's a canyx season and it's time if not now when.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I heard that tickets were over $1,000 for the nosebleeds parking 75 bucks.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I even read on somewhere that the average cost for the Stanley Cup games was higher than the average cost for the NBA finals.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: But
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Enough of that.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We're here to talk about the Carolina Panthers.
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• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Where are not expert.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: football people but we are expert football fans not expert football football football experts but we're expert football fans and I and one of my favorite football fans is Cody like my wheel man how you doing Tony doing
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: No way I would rather be on a Tuesday night than sitting here with my boys, talking, panthers football, baby, listen man, I won't spoil anything, but I just want to let panthers fans know the C3 Nation.
• 2:23
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• 2:39
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• 2:45
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• 2:49
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• 2:57
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• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tony Dunn, it's the Tuesday night, brother, and nothing to it, but to do it.
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• 3:27
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• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: And let's welcome our favorite friend, the man with the golden pipe.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: C.K.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: How you doing?
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: Man, I'm having a blast watching the blueprint.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously, getcha, I just can be for the coming season for the Panthers.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: And so, you know, obviously, that's going to be something that's exciting.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm exciting to learn from you guys what's happening to OTAs because I have been checked out of Panthers news over the past week.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: outside of the blue print dropping about two hours ago.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, man, just happy to be here talking with you fellas and talking about the future.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's always something that's really positive, not just with the Panthers, but with the pot as well and hopefully to Cody's point, we have some exciting stuff that we'll be able to bring to you not now, just in the coming near future, but maybe some stuff over the coming few months as well.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, but man, just super stoked to be here with you,
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Fantastic stuff.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, CK is really there isn't a ton of news that's really coming out of the OTA second week of OTAs here and I mean you see a little bit what the Panthers are allowing out there they had some press conferences today, but not we're not getting a ton of visual we get some visuals.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's very limited in what the reporters are able to record or use and if it's put out by the teams.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, but this is kind of OTA's is where those things is like it's soft practice.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: What are you really going to have to learn about this team?
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know just yet, but this is the time of year that you know news is kind of good news is you don't want people like last week.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about Josh Jacobs getting arrested and you don't want people getting hurt.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, um, I have not had a chance to let watch the blueprint since it just dropped today.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, um,
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I did read something and preparing for the show that the Panthers were contacted by two teams and potentially being a trade partner.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was both teams ended up trading.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who was it?
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was, gosh, it's Philadelphia was one and another was whoever was picked number 28.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, and they wanted a guard and, uh, where they got a guard should I say, but the Panthers stayed Pat.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: So we'll be interested next week.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: We'll have more detailed information on the blueprint.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: But let's get into tonight's show Cody, where we start net is.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I did see this.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't mention I was upset because I'm not upset.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just like, I guess I'm not as active on social media in the last little bit.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not like fighting and doing all of this and I just certainly am not just like post and random.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I guess A.I.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: created things to get all of these hits and whatever it is and rebuilt like it is starting to get annoying to click bait and how advanced the quick bait is getting.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I had my own kind of click bait.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't click bait.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was like, whether there's things I thought people were going to have fun with.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bryce held his football camp.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: His youth football camp and he had this like, there was this cool little clip of him and he was like, y'all were born in 2000.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: something like this, or 2013, I think it was.
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he was like, I was 13 then.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I just put up a repost with a GIFs how this makes you feel.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if people thought I was trying to make fun of Bryce.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, gosh, if he was 13 and those six,
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: or whatever it is like I mean the idea now I am a college educator but a lot of high school students are taking college classes and my students now are born I mean they're born after 9-11 they don't that's far in the past for you know you'd be 25 at this point but the students now are born some of the students I'm getting are like we're born when Barack Obama was president
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, it's like so that's why I know as like man is Bryce is young and he's feeling a father time against these little 12 year olds or whatever I thought it was funny, but nobody took the bait, but let's go ahead and start the blue plants blue blueprint is laid out Cody.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It really is and we're going to jump into some of the stuff in the blue print a little bit later, maybe this Friday will do a real.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: or everything that was in the blueprint that premiered tonight as a matter of fact.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we're going to talk about the Panthers by not talking about the Panthers of these not quite directly, and that is because two of the teams that we are slated to play.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: have jettisoned their biggest superstars.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this was a huge news for my money what is the best pass rusher in all the NFL.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Miles Garrett, he's been just a diamond in the rough up there in Cleveland.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: is a bro.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out of here.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he is gone.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He is now a member of the Los Angeles Rams.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we played the Browns within the first four weeks of the season.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then we've come out of our
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: who has now been traded to the New England Patriots.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is something that has been rumored to happen for a long time.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was almost a foregone conclusion that AJ Brown was going to the Patriots.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: However, it was a pretty bombshell news story that dropped that Miles Garrett.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, is now a member of the Los Angeles Rams.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: They are for all intents and purposes trying to build a super team over there in Los Angeles.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my question that I think would be good for the discussion tonight, what does that mean for us?
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, does this take the Panthers schedule from being the third hardest in the NFL and make your feel a little bit better that these two monsters are not going to be out there in two very important games that the Panthers are going to have to play relatively early in the season mind you.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I am not as, I mean, look, this is fun to talk about is this is, I think a short-term help for the Carolina Panthers, particularly with Miles Garrett, AJ Brown, as let look, is he's not been used incredibly, I think the Panthers need to be able to go out there and fight with teams that got players like this.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: So it's not like, to me, it's like, oh, this makes things monumentally easier.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: The thing that kind of,
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is it's easy to put these tweets up here like this is that schedule gets easier, but you know what now you got to play the Rams and the playoffs with the miles Garrett
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was something I was that if he had left and gone to the AFC, that's a different story similar to the AJ Brown circumstance, but yeah, I mean right now, I think there's not a lot of people arguing that the Rams got better with this trade.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: And let's not forget, I mean the Browns didn't come away without getting something in return that's still impactful to this organization when we face them Jared versus a fantastic player.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, so it's not as though he hasn't even played in the NFL though.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Did you know Jared?
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think we played any games, hasn't?
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, he's worth it.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's all there.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Last year maybe that maybe the tweet I saw was talking about this picture was when he had not Yeah, last year he was it was really really good.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's part of the reason why the Browns Is it don't pass Russia?
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean that's I mean honestly, I don't
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was talking about it when it first happened.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: My head sits messed it up, so hopefully you can hear me.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think it's...
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: One of the craziest things to think about if you're Jared Burst that you went from the Rams to the Browns, and you're having to essentially deal with that transition of culture, because the Browns have never really been considered like the high indestination for these players.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I'll be interested to see his reaction, but I think he might be from Ohio, so it's not that big of a downside for him, but it's a 100% a crazy circumstance
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: he goes from the Rams to the Browns, and I don't think the Browns got noticely worse because of it.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's it's a downgrade, but I don't think it's a I think they're still a pretty good team in my opinion.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're the same, but you're also have to keep in mind they are losing.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: what many people consider to be maybe the best player in all the football.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's be real.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Miles Garrett.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, he just brought your retired the sack right there.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I know you're, you know, Julia's peppers is your guy.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But to me, like,
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Garrett is a modern day joyous peppers and then some is everybody's good and some not and then some weird I mean he was Garrett all the family same size same build I mean Bowser Garrett is him let's let's not mistaken this you know he's how many seasons had has he had in a row of 10 10 plus sex but Bowser's Garrett
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: is easily one of the best players of the modern era and he is, you know, that's why most people when they talked about this draft are like, who cares what the Rams gave up.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They got Miles Garrett in return.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's even rumors that Aaron Donald might even be considering
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: to play next to Miles Garrett as he would have done if Michael Parsons had went to the Rams as he was rumored to be last year.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the Rams are really trying to build something special over there.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, one thing about the Jared verse thing, I can't believe, whatever that tweet I saw, maybe it's a recycled tweet that pops up because their names and the news, but I was a apologies on that.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not only 2024 in a field defensive, defensive, rookie of the year, two time pro bowl or 2024, 2025, blocked in Atlanta Falcons, fuel goal, attempts and returned it
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know about the Miles Garrett.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Look, I'm going to tell you a bias, right?
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't think anybody's better than Julius Peppers.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't think they're the same player, but Miles Garrett is certainly an sensational player.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Miles Garrett 6 foot 4272, Pepper 6 7 295.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: How about this is Miles Garrett number 1 overall.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Julius Peppers number 2 overall.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Miles Garrett nine seasons in the NFL.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is where he's got.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's a sack specialist, man.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: He said play the 114 games as 102 sacks.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Peppers played 266 games had 159 and a half sacks.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: 24 fumbles for Miles Garrett, 52 force fumbles forward.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Julius Peppers now that's insane 50 he's not even a close on pace to maybe maybe on pace or to get catch that but here is where things are different and why to use peppers was different.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: 11 career interceptions six defensive touchdowns mascara has never had an interception or defensive touch down.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's strange.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's strange.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Happy to not get to play the year all because he had a four games suspension is rookie year.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was defensive.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, defensive player the year.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's never peptic get that.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: All team pro three times, both three times six, you know, so very, I mean, look, great player, great player.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Cody, I was going to bring this up, though, and he cares.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: How the, how the Rams, with the, what are they doing, man?
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, how do they do all this, this listen to this fart Rams first round picks since 2016.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: They drafted Jared Goff in 2016, who they eventually traded for Matthew Stafford.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: They had no first round pick in 2017 in 2018, nothing, 2019, nothing, 2020, nothing, 2021, nothing, 2022, nothing, 2023, nothing, 2024, Jared verse.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: They just traded 2025 and
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And they're most relevant team in the last decade or one of the most relevant teams.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's insane.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I don't know, it's like, is I guess it's a different model.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one super bowl there also were in the super bowl that they've lost to the Patriots.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like 10 to 13 and, you know, there are perennial container every single year.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Their quarterback at 38 years old is probably playing the best football of his entire career.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: scary you know and considering the Carolina Panthers not only did we beat them last year
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we went toe to toe with them in the playoffs.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's why there is a real and of excitement around this team is that if we make some meaningful strides, we can be every bit of the contenders, hopefully that arams are, but they're just loaded with talent.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's exactly what we're
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe Kyron Williams is a running backs name now you're looking their defense, like they just have dudes all up and down the roster.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like how they have this right now.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: They know they've got a coach, they've got a quarterback and they've got talent.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're now we're now worried about the rest later.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: score update right now that just opened up a minute and a half into the second period tied to two a lot of action lists just in getting the computer set up.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Gocans pull this out.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, where we had next go to.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Tony, I put this in just for you, uh, do a drop this in our chat.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is an exchange on Twitter.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so another, uh, moved by another NFL team.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Edge Nick Herbig in the Pittsburgh Steelers region agreement today.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: On a four year, $100 million extension that includes 42 million guaranteed per
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then Panthers, Devon Lloyd, just some random account.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not Devon Lloyd, I don't believe.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Says, this is the guy that Carolina trained to drink, or traded the pick to draft DJ Johnson.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if it could've had Nick Curry big,
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: But he's a Johnson.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: And on the steamer, he's gone.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's gone.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I saw in the comments, which, thank you for commenting, even if you're making fun of me or not making fun, but in the YouTube comments, somebody said, stop being a Debbie Downer, Tony, and it's a new season, new year.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't think I've been like, and I'm not, I guess I am trying to defend myself here.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is a reason.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to get behind like just be like all these players are automatic.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're locked loaded all the time just because we drafted.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, look at this.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Look how many.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, yeah, DJ Johnson.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Guys, um, how about this Cody?
• 20:16
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• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh no, the dang!
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's Vegas just scored taking a three, two lead lots of work to be done.
• 22:51
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• 22:52
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• 22:57
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• 22:58
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  [SPEAKER_03]: She says keep up the hard work guys with that $10 C3 bomb.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, man, we appreciate who the Hurricanes plan just said the Las Vegas night to have a chance.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think to win the back-to-back Stanley Cups, and they're only a team that's like Las Vegas nights.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those are canes were in the playoffs last year too, right?
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, we didn't make it to we wearing the playoffs.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they have the longest active playoff streak.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think at nine seasons.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: They made the playoffs.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't been to the Stanley Cup, but let me see.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I had it pulled up a second ago.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So are they resistant championship like whoever wins or.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, best.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Best it now.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is the Stanley Cup finals.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is okay.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is it.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is the for the.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: for the big trophy, for all the marbles.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is what they've been chasing for for the last nine years and it's something there's a crazy stat with Robert and the more their coach who was a player for the hurricanes and part of, I believe there.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if he was on the O6.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know if he was on the O6 team or if he were tired.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: But he's been a part as a coach and a player 97%
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: hurricanes play off history as he was a player.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: They were up to nothing.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now they're down to three and Las Vegas nights are nobody to be trifle with as they swept.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: They swept the team that had the most goals like in the play.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was great.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're bad ass.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: So let's go
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, you know, I put this next, you know, we mentioned that the blueprint was aired tonight, and you know, we were just talking about draft picks and how we moved up for DJ Johnson.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We could add Nick Kirby, but on that Morgan, he was pretty excited about Chris Brasel falling to them.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: in the third round, according to him, he says in the video, did we just get crushed by some of the third round?
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, a flabbergasted other player of that caliber was there.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Tony, we talked about this a little bit.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: after the draft that the Carolina Panthers got a ton of value in terms of us picking players later, then they were actually projected to be there, so you can make the case that Carolina got a steal in every single round in this past year's draft and I felt like man,
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: if we hit on a bad ass ride receiver like Chris Brasal.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, DJ Johnson wasn't part of his, his era, right?
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that was a double-eat pair.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, that was a double-eat pair.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was absolutely a juror of her opinion.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: That is one of those things is they needed
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it probably and the in theory wasn't the worst idea of a pick because the Panthers didn't have a lot of top in the picks that they were going to give to a defensive end.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: What does that forget we would have gotten in those years where but they needed it was it was a sign that they knew that they needed defensive pass rush.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And while it didn't work, it was a signal that that was a part of the missing component of this defense, and they've been working to rectify this in the years sense in a way now, they've just committed in free agency a lot more to expedite that and hopefully we'll see.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: So Bobby Brown, the third was back on the field, but we're not sure what capacity.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, the Chuck Wharton injury with the next surgery and his question of a questionfulness about if he's going to play this season or when or what capacity is that a lot of people are making, you know, like, oh, this is easing, Panthers, fans, whatever, concerns.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: TK, I thought that you, when I read, I think of you when I read stuff like this because you're like, what's going on with this and it's like, you know, what people are making giants to where's that enough?
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: What maybe not giants to where's there's nothing really to talk about so they're like,
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bobby's around the third is returned and Panthers fans hope to restore it.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like now is like uh we just want him to get back out there Cody go ahead and lead us through the next thing because I do have I might be the one person I won't say concern but uh yeah it's the player that's on the sidelines that I don't like to hear is on the sidelines.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so real quick this was the Dan
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was like, it's almost like, I just hit all the picks on my underdog part of it.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no kidding.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: The brassal speed alone is something.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, it's kind of wild that his size and speed alone that he wasn't somebody that kind of just catapulted up the board.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think it would have been?
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: something that's, I don't know, I think a lot of people are willing to take gambles on on traits.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: Then you then, you know, many other things that people draft based on and the fact that he did make it that far as well.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now the the blueprint, the entire thing and it
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: I get it.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: It is kind of propaganda, right?
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: The whole thing.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll take with a grain of salt.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: But like they're seemed to be a genuine feeling like they got everything they wanted out of this draft, which is really cool because like it feels like since Dan Morgan's taken over, that's been a common thread in this front office.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: If that isn't fact, something that it's it's real if that's not just again propaganda,
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, one thing quick note and addition Rob Brendan Moore was the captain of that 2006 Stanley Cup team and I think he was on the team where they went at 99 as well.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to find this stat, which is just so insane about how involved he is.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, Cody, where are we going because do we have anything about Ted or I will make Millen in this show at any points?
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: We do.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: But then keep walking me down this panter road.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can go to that now, but the next thing I had up was some movement along the defensive backfield.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, last year was such a big topic of discussion.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and I know you remember this, we went back and forth on this too.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then the Jero Vero would just never move around Jason to hold, you know, we have one guy at one spot and they do not move.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm wondering if maybe this is a sign of maybe a very row evolving or doing something different or maybe Can now this time to do something different but looking at the over today is The panthers are taking a lot of looks at all their different options at nickel
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: the there's the incumbent chalice met Wade, second year man Corey Thornton and one to job last year before he was injured, a handful of new comers, they even spent some time with proble jacy horn inside on Tuesday alongside, uh, will lead the third.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: to work the perimeter with my Jackson Thornton continues to stand out and had an interception in Tuesday's practice.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Dave Canalis speaking.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of guys that can help us there.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: As you know, Trevon Morg can also play in the necrospop in a certain package.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: JC can go in there sometimes.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cory's done a great job.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: One to die by the certain point and child Smith Wade knows our system like nobody else
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple of other younger guys to that they'll be competing in there and that's the thing for us.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to make sure they know those are opportunities to compete and help our team and we're open to whoever wants to do that by doing things right, showing up and making plays.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you might say, okay, this is just some innocuous over to the age interval, but
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you did get JC horn moving around a little bit, putting him at nickel, now obviously we know that JC horn is not going to be a starting nickel, I mean, he is the definition of an outside corner.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you is able to move around a little bit and even go into the slot position when some of these teams move their best receivers to that position, I think that would be a great thing.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really hoping that this is a sign of a narrow difference of coordinator to evolve and I can only hope that that's what's happening.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'll believe it.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm right there with Tony here.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, from my Jim Tony back at it again.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, I, I still want people to, you know, we got to get actually this will be a great if we get the the get that we get.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: right or the the thing that we are hoping comes to manifestation of the great person to ask because they will have a unique insight in in history in NFL defense.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: And the question is this is for someone who is not an X and O footballer, but you know this is watches football a lot.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: is that why can't you run the same scheme, but it's just like flip the zone, essentially, by having, you kind of fake trail the receiver.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: So J.C. Horn goes and starts on the side of whoever the receiver is that you want him to match up with the most, but you're still playing zone defense.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I was like, is it too complicated?
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, is it like, is it like,
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a left zone specialist only or right like is why can't you just still play some, but you just flip the players on the side and maybe we can get some insight into that.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I know there's ways to look, we've heard the comments is like, oh, when you do that, then they're just going to run routes that drag them over to the side.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, they're doing that anyway.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I just want to know if that's the case.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that whenever you this, I'm not being a cramogen is I think it's like.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Almost I don't know if they're just trying to get other guys less about putting JC horn on the slot and more about giving this guy some reps on the outside.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the way I read it.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also will say this, you know, I know when we're excited about Lily when we drafted him, but dude, let's not forget that Corey Thornton is a doll he continues to impress.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was impressive last year and I mean, we could really have a steal.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And Corey don't, you know, you got to have some of these players come up, come up and evolve into become players, right, is that I think is Cam Jackson defensive tackle right fifth round to saw him training like is like there's going to be some moments that when the Panthers are going to elevate their team is not just by doing everything right by the books and making these picks and making this is that when one of those picks that's not supposed to be.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: like somehow you get a third round or a fifth round that becomes a star.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, but it comes a starting guy or something like that.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you're gonna need something like a Corey Thornton.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Who's the safety that we mentioned?
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: To Trifon Lord?
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, the one we drafted last year.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Later, Latham Ranson, like with, when one of these guys comes about and then it's gonna accelerate
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: the hits that you're making in rounds one and two, right?
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: You got to hit, you out of win rounds one and two, but then when drafts turn great, Kayla, okay, he's just tied it up way to go.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is when something happens, surprise comes about that that that that brings this momentum to it, right?
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: So the Panthers are going to need and I think this draft, if we talk, we talk about like,
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: how they, you know, got this value, you know, the center that they got was projected third round.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: They got them fifth.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like this is a draft where maybe that happens.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: where you get somebody.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Brasal in the third and I saw Brad look, I don't want to get overexcited just because I see somebody tall and fast running.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: But when I like about Brasal is every time I see him catcher, he's hands catching.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's hands catching it boom, boom, boom, not letting the ball come to him, you know, it's like it's it's the not body, you know, it looks.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: it looks good.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: The eye test is working right there.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And that's just creating pressure right now on some past draft picks that are being talked about as well.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's keep rocking, Cody.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, you've said, uh, tall and fast.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I need.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my finish.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I need.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just tall and fast.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's what does it for me.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually moved ahead a little bit because I know you were interested in it.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this is from Panthers.com, injury updates, the Panthers were without without a few big pieces for Thursdays, open home today, but Canalis said most of it was a matter of load management and being careful right in guard Robert Hunt was held out with what Canalis described as some sortness, with should it Charles plugging in with the first group next
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: canal is said the last two days we bought him down just a little bit and we're getting back out there on Thursday.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Canal is said, but there's been doing an excellent job in there, Luke's doing a great job at the center spot, he's getting things coordinated in there and I'm sure he really enjoys having due, lo and rob playing right next to him as you can imagine, so we'll get them back pretty soon.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, the Panthers also helped back running back Jonathan Brooks out of team drills and outside linebackers, Jalen Phillips and Patrick Jones were giving rest days after what can now us describe as an intense day on.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Monday, even in this time of year, it's a lot of movement and a lot of the speed out there can now let's say we just wanted to try and be smart with certain guys and make sure that the rhythm is right This doesn't mention it, but also teamwork was still not out there.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is what I want to talk about
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, T-Mac has some foot solvers and there's not one.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: He missed this week.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: You've got the offensive rookie of the year, the Carolina Panthers, the player that is kind of brought excitement into this offense, who are you really counting on to be a leader of this group.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I hear, I don't, I'm trying to think historically, I know this is that we had a
• 39:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a long time ago before you guys were even your babes still, but Jeff Ota was, I think we had traded up for Jeff Ota, which didn't let us still not have a first round pick the following year.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: Jeff Ota was a beast of a guard like I mean, he was like, you know, could have been a perennial pro bowler.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, but a lot of people questioned that they think it's kind of a bus pick.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was a great player when he was available.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: What he was he was a giant man who had a foot injury and giant man and foot injuries no bueno, but I got to think I'm trying to think of uh, receivers like position groups and certain injuries are problematic to me and foot and receiver.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't like to hear.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't like to hear this with foot receiver.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Might as well be the kind of crazy hand, the hamstrings and other when you don't love to hear, but like to me, I'm not like, look, it's not the end of the world.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's early, it's OTA's, protect your players, this and that.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: full strength and that this is something that's secretly bothering me more than the warden or the bobby brown not being in there or the robber hunt where is this young buck at and what is wrong with your foot tell me allow me to play the all-commudian
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I could not give less of a fuck.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good, good.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I could not give less of a fuck.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is still so early.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, this is over today's.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're about to fuck off for the rest of the stuff.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're about to do a whole bunch of nothing.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: To me, if he has a little bit of foot soreness, what that tells me is he's been active.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been working out.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even if he treats something just a little bit,
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hawaiian Polynesian Ask, whatever it is, take some time off, chill, and enjoy the summer, and get ready to come back with the vengeance when the season starts back up.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, this is just way too far out for me to even consider worrying about it.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Tony, if we're talking about this mid-August,
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we can have a different conversation, but now as we start June, to me it's a big old nothing.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I agree.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're absolutely right.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: The thing is is like it's not in this story.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody's mentioning it.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, this is just like, oh my gosh, I don't want to make that.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: this is the old hat like I've been doing this a long time as you focus all on this this this and this and it's this secret thing that comes out of nowhere that gets you.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you're talking about oh Jonathan everybody's and by the way now guess what everybody's doing now.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: Celebrate and Jonathan Brooks.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Celebrate and Jonathan Brooks welcome to the party pal.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome to the party.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've been doing it the whole time, ready to see that happen.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: CK, obviously, these small, you're protecting your players, protect your players.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just can think it gets tense so young.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I get Robert Hunt and this is, I want to know where that sword is is, is it Bicep Swordis?
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Please don't say it's BICEP sort of so isn't that what he was a guy with a torn BICEP last year.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if then he came back for the wildcard.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was a, and I certainly hope it's not BICEP again.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm unfortunate, especially with the, with I think the fact that between him and Damian Lewis, there's been kind of alternating injuries if I'm not mistaken.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, not with Damian Lewis.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Damian Lewis has been healthy as can be.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just been Robert Hunt who was had, who was dealt with some stuff in Robert Hunt.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's Damian Lewis is secretly turned out.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: You don't like it.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look, we want both guys to be great.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, Robert Hunt was a giant money sign and he was pro bowl right out the gate.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Damian Lewis placed, has started, played 33 out of 35 games.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's like a secret quiet.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: wonderful player for the Carolina Panthers.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it was somebody that was telling me about the like, have some optimism is that somebody else said, you're not talking enough about Robert Hunt coming back is that you could, if Luke Fortner or this rookie workout, you really have an opportunity with this offensive line.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: to create a wall that can really allow price young potentially in this run and take prosper.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: So excited about that, but again, not freaking out, man, but I just don't like the young guy.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: And we might be an old commodity and say there's nothing to worry about, but
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: How about this is that if one team act big over the whatever touchdown pass and everybody would be over the moon and we'd be watching those videos a million times throughout, but not no worry, but I don't want that to be problem.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's keep going.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You are correct.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Time will tell.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, if we're talking about it in the late August,
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then it's a little different conversation on Tony you bought it up so let's bring it up 25 on the fly Jonathan Brooks continues to be impressive.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Continue.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need this.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need this.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you, Boschfully, I might add, go to Twitter and say
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tony said this was going to be, and you know you're serious when you refer to yourself in the third person.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, Tony.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Give it up for your boy.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't get on the braggadoshes too much, but I have been like, I saw, I see it, I see it.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: I know it can be, you know?
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: The thing that I saw in poor Ricky, not poor Ricky Rains, but Ricky Rains, I guess didn't know what I was talking about so much, or maybe like the angle I was coming from, but he put something up about,
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: All the Panther fans that have freaked out over Jonathan Brooks being a bus pick and that it was you know, not going to work out.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: We shouldn't do something else.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: And now you're seeing this.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he said something like, I'm not a receipt guy, but you know, I was like, man, I got receipts right here.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've been telling you this.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: And look, is how quickly will the tides turn?
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: They went from
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: under damn Morgan.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And guess what now, now everybody is gushing because look, if he can get it, if he plays, if he plays two seasons for the Carolina Panthers at the level that he's going to that he can as capable of playing, it will be a worth to pick.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: The question is, is what C. K. brought up is do you want that grinding knees later?
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that you're going to actually have a problem if he does ball out this year?
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because you're going
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do we pay him?
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He, you know, so welcome to that, but that's probably what I have if it isn't important to have and one of the things that I've mentioned before is that we only really have two more years of Jonathan Brooks to figure out who he is in this offense.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have him for 26 and we have him for 27 and then we either have to pay him or let him go and test the market somewhere else.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's why I hope he just figured it goes like runs for like 1,300 yards this year, 1,500 yards next year, and then you say, we're going to trade you or not, I mean, not trade you, but I don't know is I think is, you know, we've talked about that running back conundrum and is, are you pay, you got to pay over the player, they're going to be not the player they are today, but Jonathan Brooks is bringing speed and competition to the Panthers,
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: OTAs, what have we got here and I've got a clip from Dave Canalis on both the Brooks Rest and how he's doing.
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so next Gordon got up there and was able to speak a little bit about them.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And next Gordon, you know, he goes to went to Texas A&M, Jonathan Brooks went to Texas.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a little bit of a rivalry there, it's this is from Panthers.com.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Next Gordon tried to evade the question first, being in Texas A&M man, born and bred.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has a certain version to prison, anyone.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: who has worn Texas long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kidding, I love JB.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He continued his super quick.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's getting in and out of these cars, it's ridiculous.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: For many who have allowed the last year and half to wipe their mind of Brooks capability or for a guy like Scott and who is now on the field with the speedy back for the first time, it doesn't seem ridiculous.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the subsequent recoveries haven't slowed down Jonathan Brooks who was flashed on screens, pitches, and straight up the middle.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is from Canalis, so you want to play your clip?
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you right here.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, JB's looked great, you know, in the run game certainly, but also in the past game, you know, half of this highlights when he was coming out or screen passes, why it's things down the field is a great ability to catch the ball, track it and transition once he catches it.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so just finding different packages and ways to get him involved in the offense and he's looked great so far.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: is Robert Hunt also have a date today.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Rob's got it.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: So that's him on Jonathan Brooks in look is just he's he has the opportunity to be as exciting player.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: I get with Panther for any fans that we want everything right now and yeah.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you know what I mean, if and but if and buts and you know what will happen is that your aunts and uncles will be reversed, but
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Look at just these, you didn't come out.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, as the injury has, as hampered is, is ability to contribute to the Carolina Panthers, but I think this is that not only are the fans returning to like, oh, now they're getting excited about it.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you remember that time?
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if Cody was on or wait, it's like, that Dave can now is like barely new Jonathan Brooks, like he's like, uh, he's working hard at the facility and like it just didn't feel like.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: But now I think.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: And now look is the Panthers.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think staff is like, all right.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: They've really committed to Brooks.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, and here I got one more clip that they've committed to Brooks this season.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Should I say, because here is another question about the running back room right here.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you see if I just make sure to misinate thing we see nope take that down our move that wrong one share.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: leverages to play, showing up and making his plays.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: You've been pretty consistent about using a two-back rotation, Trevor really didn't get consistent playing time last year on offense.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't need to see from him over the next few weeks and months.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe grow his role on offense.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: Did you hear?
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a great question.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: continue to build on on all the information for the whole offense and and building that trust which he has and he's been working really hard.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: He looks great.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: He looks fast.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: We certainly trust him back there returning the ball and the way that he's grown in that in that phase and doing punt return for the first time and really owning that role so he can help the team in a lot of ways that'll help him too but I am excited to see him touch the ball you know when we get to the
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: That'll be that's going to be exciting that whole room really there's it's well rounded and there's some talent all the way down through you know trade ties in miles Davis their fantastic prospects big guys with nice hands out of the backfield so it's an exciting group to watch.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: So the reason I bring this up and talk about the Jonathan Brooks and committing to them is, you know, you had Rico Dado, who left him free agency.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Panthers did not make any additions in the draft and and that's out of some like just small acquisitions, whether it's AJ Dillon or the Miles Sander or not, Miles, what was it, Miles?
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: whatever the other guy, not the guy that our old Miles Sanders is that the Panthers I feel like went into this season in the running Miles Sanders.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Miles Sanders.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Same with what we got to.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that the last guy?
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Miles Sanders was the guy that we got from Philadelphia.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: My head said just go.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: No, no Tony, I think lost connection.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, he was about to say something about Miles Sanders.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: What was that?
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, one of those is Brandon all the running backs that we've that we've been through.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, oh, Miles, uh, yeah, Miles Sanders, uh, yeah, Miles Sanders, um, you've been just talking about.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was saying is this week's been another Miles guy or whatever.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: He just mentioned him in the clip, but he's like a, it's just a prospect, but the Panthers, but they did, is they kind of sat, pat like they did with the tight ends in this off season, right?
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think that that leans to the idea that they really,
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: are leaning into or hoping for or Jonathan Brooks to really be the two like the one to combo and maybe Trevor at the end becomes part of it.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe even Jeff Brooks just to sense the number one.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I was like, I mean, listen, Tony, I've said this to you a long time that you're running back is truly only as good as your offensive line in front of both.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, for example, we bring up Miles Sanders.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Miles Sanders was a thousand yard back in Philadelphia.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: What was he in Carolina?
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't shit.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: So he was, yeah, he was awful.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was, he was, he wasn't shit.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He sucked.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if the Panthers can put together a really good off into line during this year, like I'm hoping we have.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if we can open up any of the holes that we were opening up for a record down the last year, Jonathan Brooks could be poised for a big time breakout.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not just us being
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, panther home, like this is an opportunity for Jonathan Brooks to do something major in this offense and, you know, he really, this is and just needs to just pound those holes in the middle.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast, uh, where we got next.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's keep rockin' and rolling.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, I'm talking about pounding my holes.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's do it.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this?
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's listen to the fans.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to do that?
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, let's rock.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, let's, we'll take some calls here and get in the cat calls, uh, the number's
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: So what do you thought it's on cat calling?
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's pretty f***ing shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: And how did that make you feel?
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, very uncomfortable.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, how do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels good, like,
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tony Duh, Cody Lack, the C3 Legion, oh no.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be so thrilled to check in there real quick.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Happy Tuesday.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I've been here with us from some of the pundits and some fans that we have adopted defense coming up this fall.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: When the words of the great Lee Corso, not so fast, my friends, pump the brakes, fill up some more.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Great players.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Derek Brown, J.C. My Jack.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: OK, we work with something.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: But we're good.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're not at least yet.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Remember, as you all ever owe a still my defense of coordinator.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, in my opinion, as the hope dillah, what will help this defense this fall more than anything else?
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even more than acquisitions is our offense,
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: through great time of possession and actually score in touchdowns.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I believe our defense will be better.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I even predict they might be top 15.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: But top 5?
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: No way.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: No way.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Give me all thoughts on this.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've been hearing this a lot when it comes to the defense.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But real quick, Amen.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to shout out my man Harvey London on this first call and last week, man.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Great call, Harvey.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's my friend right there, man.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sick, baby.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go fish.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go fish.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is an enormous fish.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, this the hope that little man, I've just got everybody stay hopeful about y'all.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Keep counting.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep down there.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you love that solidarity between C3 Panther fans?
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's good stuff, man.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I do, I do, and the colors are great, and thank you.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: You make sure much, so much better, and so helpful, and really valuable in this time of the year.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: His question about the Panthers defense, and I'm about to look up some of the stats, ascendant, you know, because you think of what two years ago being the worst defense in the league, historically the worst, I want to say, giving up by a defense in an
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I want to say or you're like, yeah, they were ranked.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was, it was a totally bad stat, right?
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: And there, there was the year before that where the defense had these good stats, but CK and I have continued to argue that it was a full-sgold.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know that the defense wasn't terribly bad in a sense, but it was not as good as people made it out to be.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: But how do you go from 32?
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I want to see if I think we went and we cracked the top 7 top 20 last year, you know, is that can you go from like say 17 to a top 10 defense, right?
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's possible.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to say that the Panthers defense is about to be historically good, but if you can add the one thing you're missing and that is
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: actual sex right getting after that quarterback.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: That could move the needle significantly.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I want to see how did the Panthers as he how has the Panthers defense ranked in the NFL.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Over the last five years.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see when that's Jim and I this.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go ahead.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Your thoughts on the Panther's defense ascending.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's trying to be optimistic, but yeah, jumping that gun here.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, telling you, I'm going to go a little bit of a different route.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: If our defense is going to take the next step, it is completely, and I know it's a team sport.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Football is the truest of team sports.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if the Panthers defense is going to take the next step, it is completely dependent on the kind of season that Jalen Phillips has.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wanna put something in the context that I don't feel we've set enough on this podcast.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Carolina Panthers have never, ever, and their entire history, given a player,
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: more money than they have given Jalen Phillips right here's the biggest contract and panther history and I think it's to the point that if if Jalen Phillips does not become the player that we specifically bought him into B to be our designated satin gator
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: the guy that's going to get after the quarterback and get all the pressures and be that end pressure of the future.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not only is it going to permanently affect our defense, not permanently, but for the rest of the season rather, but it's really going to put a very damper sour note on Dan Morgan as a general manager.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been very good so far.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: but if you gave a contract to a player who has been injury prone, that's just a part of his reality, and he has yet to have a season of more than 10 sacks.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you're believing that you have not seen the best out of Jason Phillips.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Jalen Phillips turned out to be the player that we think him to be and you add their brown and you add JC horn, we can absolutely be a top five defense.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Kevin Lloyd and completely depends on in my opinion, maybe you disagree.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It completely depends on Jalen Phillips being on absolute
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it was the weakness, right, CK?
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is that no matter how, here's the way the stats went at a 2025 or a 16th total defense in yards, defensive yards allow 2024, 30 second, 2023, fourth, which we, again, we think that that's because teams didn't have to score against this team.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: they drugged games out, um, oh, but like, so the Panthers, you know, the what was the thing that was has been missing from them, and what has been allowed these teams to dank and dunk and do this and move down the field at the end, whether it be the offense, you know, leaving the defense out on the field a lot is because there's just hasn't been that one impact play that sets them back.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you get the moving it's first in it's first and 10 then it's second and six and then it's second and then it's third and one and What they need is to make a big stop on first down and then have a sack that puts them in a precarious position that then gives the offense and an adventation position So yes, it does rely on Jalen Phillips, but CK I think that the Jalen Phillips signing
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's saying this is what we need and the money and the risk is worth it because we can't just keep sitting here and doing the same thing and hoping that somebody is going to come to be a good player on this defensive front that can get after the quarterback.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think that is the
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: This was absolutely the move of the entire off season where we're like, okay, we're all in, right?
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: If this doesn't
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: play out the way that we're expecting that does, it does pretty hard.
• 1:04:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, I will say that I think that if he doesn't necessarily live up to the contract next year, I'm not as concerned, but, you know, I think I think it's the long term.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like if he can show that he's progressing, and he can show at least, you know, that the continued promise that he did
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: Then I still think, even if it isn't necessarily a ten-sac season, but you're seeing him start to become a force on the field, I think once he's getting used to the players around him, he's kind of getting established in a system.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think, you know, you're going to see that guy turn it up.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I do agree.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think we need to see this team take a step forward on the defense, because they were talking about in the blueprint.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: This was the number one free agent, and we got him.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: And if you're making a move like that and you're paying him money that no other defensive player had gotten up to that point, or maybe just this position, we set records of some sort, like with with that time.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, with that contract if if he doesn't come in and show immediately that he belongs in the starting lineup, then that's the problem.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like this comment here in 2001.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: The defense was 31st in the next year in 2002.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: They were second defense.
• 1:05:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's always a chance that can turn around and dress the way.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I too believe that much of that is going to be on the defense of front and getting relentless pressure and that Jalen Phillips is the guy that they brought in here to do it.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, yes, you can cite the risk, the numbers in the contract, the past history with injuries,
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: But Cody, what I like is about Jalen Phillips is that you're not paying for the player.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was, you're paying for the player.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: He will be over the next five years.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what you're hoping.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now it has to work.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: But instead of a max cross be a trade hindricks in the guy that's arguably, you're paying for who they were or who they aren't right now is I think that they believe that Jalen's.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Phillips is ascending into that player and that's the kind of contract that if it if he does do it then that contract will seem like pennies.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the market continues to go up so much that you know even though it seems crazy to say I'll loud in no time flat that amount of money is going to
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, let's go to, maybe we got Anthony and Charlotte next.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yo, yo, what's going on C3?
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's Anthony from Charlotte.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: I hope your boys are going to get Tuesday.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: What up, Matt?
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, just wanted to call and saw the blueprint today.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Give some of my thoughts.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, before I do that, OTAs is up.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, you know, happening right now.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, like what I see from some of these players.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: Jonathan Brooks, I think I'm really excited about, but obviously it's hard to even see what really goes on, right, just because, you know, it's so out of context and they're just playing in shorts and stuff.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: But the blueprint was awesome, you know, another great blueprint.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: The first one of the summer.
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, like shout out to the producers of all these things and then giving us the Indian outs and actually like in the scenes dialogue and video of,
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: brand in Dan talking and Dave can out through all these scenarios.
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it really seemed like what they said, what Brandon said, like they have the tackles in the draft class rated the highest position group out of anyone else.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: So to them that was BPA, I had no problem with it.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: I said before, like you can never go wrong with an offensive lineman.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: I personally thought they would have been fine with machine for this one year, but like getting solving this position for the future.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and like I brought up to I never thought Monroe was a guy we were going to be able to take just because I didn't think he was going to fall.
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: So kind of like them, um, you know, I'll be shocked as well.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, the whole process of everything man, like just how they've navigated this, this, um,
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, for free agency like we thought we got the best player in for agency and it's like it's just times you're on the rise man in Carolina.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: We were trending up.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I also noticed how, you know, today.
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Sheen of inches that Jacy orders taken snaps in nickel and will use playing outside.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, hopefully that's a guy that can give him the rotation fast.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: They seem very excited about Chris Brazil being able to drop to them.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what happens with the wide receiver.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: room this year outside of, you know, Teterola and then poker.
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone else is kind of up for grabs.
• 1:09:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see what happens there.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I did find an interesting note what they said about Sam Heck, like Dave can also, like, this is a guy that can come in and start from day one.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, if he's saying that man, Dave, you better give him the chance to compete with the job right away.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: I have no problem with him starting if he beats out Luke day one because he's kind of a backup in itself.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, those are my thoughts.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: Overall, another great blueprint,
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: very exciting.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Anthony from Charlotte, give me your thoughts, give me a motherfuckin' pain.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep pounding.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anthony, I hope that it's a sign that Rivera was gonna move some defenders around, you know, and again, I understand telling you saying I'll believe it when I see it, because, you know, that's not something that's been in Rivera as real house, but if we get some real linemen on defense to keep these offenses
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would absolutely love that out to me.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be something that could really take our defense to the next level this year, you know.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had VR talking about us being a top five defense.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: keeping this offensive, this offense is casting to me could be a very big step in doing that.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I just don't think this is, I don't think that we should read this into a signal of you know, whatever is going to do with J.C. Horn and this is, I think it's more about look is this is the time for willily to get some action on the outside
• 1:10:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: that they can then talk about and study between now and training camp because as you move into training camp, while you are going to have continued moments to do this is that you are going to be putting reps and reps for the best players together, right?
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: So then we'll lead the third is not going to be able to have he will have opportunities, but they will be limited.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: So
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: many camps that they one of the things that Dave can now just talk about is like we we basically I want to say overload then we load them with a bunch of information and things and teaching and lessons and then when they come back to OTAs they're looking at these guys and see and how they retain that.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Are they applying that?
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Are they growing from that?
• 1:11:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that this is saying something more about like how we're trying to cultivate those other players that are going to be able to step into roles in the future when Mike Jackson's not there or if an injury happens or something.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: So Hey, maybe it's a sign right away.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they're given away the play, but the defense playbook right now and I don't necessarily know if you want JC horn playing in the slot
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I don't know what the right thing is.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes some of the best receivers are in the slot.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it shows a versatility in that defensive game plan and evolution in of Evarra, but my intuition says this is more about will Lee and a young player and getting him some action that they can then build and talk about and discuss later on.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: But that's it.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just saw this tweet.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, this is, uh, you know, um, Dr. Clinton just got paid.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Big money by the Atlanta Falcons.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Adam Shefters said the highest paid receivers in the NFL on a per year basis, JSN 42 million, Jamar Chase 40 million Drake London 32 and a quarter.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: and then brand at Panthers fan brand on X posted how much each Panthers receiver is making this year.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: 6.3 million for tech 3.3 for XL 1.9 for John Matchy 1.2 for Chris Brasal 1.2 for David
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is crazy.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: He makes a jailing coke or only makes $28,000 more than Jimmy Horn Jr. Basically, we are paying our entire receiving room $20 million and a year this year.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: And Drickland is getting $32 next.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think the Panthers are on to this.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they want to go into free agency for receivers.
• 1:13:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think they're just as expensive as a damn left tackle and a damn defensive end.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, dude, these receiver prices are just going crazy all the time.
• 1:13:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So is he the highest paid now?
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, he is the third highest paid.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: But still, I mean, 35, $35.2 million.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you just signed a big deal.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's getting paid.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: But the Panthers do not have a lot of money locked up in that.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're the Falcons, you know, you really don't know who your quarterback is.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's in your Pax or two.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's two, all right.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Two lefties.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I'm not sure that they're prepared to argue
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's, you get to keep in mind.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, like, to a granite again, he, I think he took the deal is like an F U to the dolphins because they're still paying him such a large amount of money, but the, the dudes getting paid a vet minimum for the, yeah, from the falcons, like, I don't think that the falcons are prepared to just give the job to to a mainly because I think panic says actually, I think.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's premature to throw him under the bus and say that he's done because I mean he has shown a great deal of promise and he's only got he hasn't even got a full season under his belt in the NFL yet.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I mean, and you drafted him in the first round like early in the first round.
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: like you've got to give that dude another opportunity.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm I'm not saying that I think he's going to be that guy.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that to a is the is the starter week one outside of an injury holding back uh panic from being the starter.
• 1:15:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Las Vegas nice.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Just took a four three lead in the third period just a minute and a half in.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, okay,
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Thank you guys, John Beacon can call them with your weekly alternative football league update and watching hockey with my son right now and currently it is the first period in remission and I needed to get this call in.
• 1:15:56
  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to share some football with you guys because the Ozark lockers.
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: So clear, excellent, and I can't remember where and clear is, I don't know, might be a Missouri somewhere.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'll get back to you on that.
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_10]: But anyway, I actually enjoyed watching the game.
• 1:16:22
  [SPEAKER_10]: You can watch all the games in full on YouTube of the Arena League or the TAL.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: WestConson.
• 1:16:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: And then another game I wanted to share with you real quick is the UFL game that I watched.
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_10]: featuring the Columbus 80 years.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_10]: They didn't end up winning the game, but oh my god, they made a hell of a comeback.
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_10]: They tried their best to make a hell of a comeback, but they're quarterback, Jalen Morton.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_10]: If I'm getting a guy's name right, Jalen Morton, I watched this guy, and maybe it's because he was wearing a number two, and I know Camel wore number one with us, but he wore number two at Auburn.
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: But the way this guy threw the ball and the way he just contorted his body when he threw on the run, this guy is big, he's running quarterback.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_10]: It was exciting to watch him.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_10]: He just reminded him, I don't think the aviators have not made the playoffs for the UFL.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_10]: It is cool that Louisville Kings have made the playoffs.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: And it will be a fun weekend of football this weekend
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, but uh, yeah, just wanted to share that game with you guys.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_10]: I was watching that game and almost sent a call in during that game because it was just such an exciting game.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, and reminded me so much to come and I thought you guys would all appreciate that.
• 1:17:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: But anyway, that's that's really all I got right now.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't watch this hockey.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I moved to your 20 years ago guys, I moved to your on January 6th of 2020 or 2006.
• 1:18:03
  [SPEAKER_10]: Till six a new den with my den, girl friend who would become my wife who is still my wife and Watch in this game 20 years later with my very own hockey play and son and I'm a guy about the cry And I love you guys love if you're my pants is love you guys and let me some hockey Go Hillsboro hogs and Go Carolina Hurricanes
• 1:18:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, it's okay.
• 1:18:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen the video of the guy who was talking about it, it does, it has had a lot of shades of chemistry.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, those are the cat calls.
• 1:18:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for your time.
• 1:18:43
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• 1:18:49
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• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: We still got a few more things to take care of tonight.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man, Xavier the get we've talked about this a little bit before this is head live from cat grave.
• 1:19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, more and more insiders are talking about the potential of us trading Xavier the get telling you want to take this one and cover me real quick.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, as this is from cat grave and look is and no knock to cat grave, but this is the time of the season and the time of the year that you're looking and searching for anything to talk and write about Excel has become a
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I guess a disappointment in some cases to many Panther fans, some people have given up on it and he's taking a lot of flack and then there are a few holding out that the Carolina Panthers in Excel can make something happen this season.
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: So much so that any time there's a picture of Excel or something now we're talking about is how you can see his forms changes.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: body size or weight or whatever it may be, but that has still not let up on the criticism and the hesitancy of fans and outsider, outside insiders, I guess, or analysts to see this as a continued storyline, Cat Crave as this up what leaves will get.
• 1:20:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: What that leaves the get remains to be seen, head coach canalases not giving up on them yet, but if he drops to why receiver four on the depth chart, mode, Morton of the Bleacher report thought, that might be a good time for General Manager Dan Morgan to explore offers, quotes from Morton,
• 1:20:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: In two years, Xavier Leggett can fall to wide receiver number four on the Carolina Panthers Dept in a low volume passing attack.
• 1:20:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Leggett is unlikely to see significant growth behind Macmillan.
• 1:20:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Panthers may be able to find a trade partner for Leggett because of the wide-outs draft pedigree.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: The compensation won't be much because the wide out has fallen short of expectations hauling and 84 receptions for 860 yards and 7 touchdowns.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I would say, I don't think that the Panthers have any desire to trade Xavier look at.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Nor do I think that they're going to cut them.
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that they're going to ride this out, ride that horse, what's his name of his horse?
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: or was it of something dollar bill or was it that's it that's it
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: dollar bill.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're going to stretch that dollar bill as long as they can.
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that look is I think there's two issues here.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is one is that inflated expectations could be problematic.
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And store it like is that we, you know, we just want everybody to hit right out the gate.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I tell you, I mean, showed some moments in his rookie season.
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: But look, is that this
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh, just prolific in any means.
• 1:21:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And he had some, he's just been under, it was underwhelming last year.
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: I, I think for XL, I think the other thing is this is another, when you overfallen love, uh, with a player and the person, and then they don't meet the expectations that it makes it harsher because like,
• 1:22:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: dialect to is, you know, attitude to this and the E. I mean, it's just like over blue up.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then that made, I think, soft pressure on the expectations.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, okay.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: soft pressure, but I think also we add the fact that we traded up form in the first round.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, that that is not just added pressure that's that it's absolute pressure.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's the same pressure, but maybe not to the same level at that price probably felt.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, and, and, you know, rightfully so I mean, you're you're you're you're having a team put a tremendous amount of faith in you by moving up.
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: And
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: expectation on you naturally that you it's it's there's nobody to get argue that that's not reasonable and so yeah, I mean it did not help him that that he did come in with such high hopes nobody nobody was expecting and we just and Jefferson right at the gate and and even after that first year while there might be people who are
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: maybe chirping a little bit.
• 1:23:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: I would say for the most part, the majority of Panthers nation was like, all right, year two, this is his opportunity.
• 1:23:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, he's got a tech McMillan there to help him out.
• 1:23:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, if this isn't it, then what else is there?
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: And now we're going into year three saying, do we, is this the guy or is it another, you know, like something I love the Tony says is throwing the baby out with the bath water, right?
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think you're three the it's it's about time to go ahead and empty the tub.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think we need to see a little polish from them now, you know, is that where it's brown running's improved.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's making, he's made some plays, but it needs to look like he's improved all around.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: Here's the issue.
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: You can't be surpassed by three different
• 1:24:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: In the back end of a career, you can't have feeling outplay you, and then all of a sudden you have a new rookie come in.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jail on cloaker and have to have to have free agent that's outplaying you.
• 1:24:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's, I mean, I hate to say it.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, like, there's a certain level of this and it's just like,
• 1:24:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, he's in in can have I know it's probably his argument is going to be hit the connection with a brace and him, you know, and it's just not there, right, he just needs a quarterback that can connect with him and everything, but I still think I don't know it's there's not much about his game that makes you feel like so far that he's going to be able to be anything I want him to I so badly want it to work out because.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: I can't tell you how great it would be to sit there and say, at the end of this season, we have superstar Jalen Coker, superstar Brasal, superstar, technique milling, superstar Xavier Ligat, and an up and coming Jimmy Horn, right?
• 1:25:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: That would be a fantastic thing to be able to say.
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: But right now, I don't think anybody would put their chips in on Xavier Ligat, having to break out season.
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, he's just has to have, he can't get washed away, right?
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I mean, as maybe it doesn't be a breakout, but if he's getting, if other guys are getting more time, more attention, more success, then it doesn't matter if he's improving or not, he's getting washed out in the conversation.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, what's left in the show, Cody?
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Where are we at?
• 1:25:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: that's it.
• 1:25:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: That is it.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're good.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: That is it.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 1:25:57
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• 1:26:00
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• 1:26:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: The Carolina Panthers are now on a power play.
• 1:26:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: So important moment for the Panthers right now down a goal in this first game of the Stanley Cup finals really needs to be great to have that cup here and bring in a sense of winning to this state.
• 1:26:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe the
• 1:26:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: can build on that culture of winning that might be a game on game one game one still some a lot of hockey to be played this power plays important the band and the can't have not been particularly great on the power play at least in the last.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: series, so they have been awesome, but they got to get some shots, man.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think they had a five on three in the last series that they didn't even get a single shot on net.
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: So come on right now.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go, Caine's Cody got one final segment on the longest run in Panthers podcast that is the ice up segment where we tell someone to ice up tough enough to get it together.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's drop that ice.
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: it's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up toughen up to get it together where everybody is fair games family friends inside or outside the bounds of football let's ice some fools up Cody what you got for me
• 1:27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, you won't go first.
• 1:27:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to find the video that I saved.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're going to enjoy it.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 1:27:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I am going to, um, first of my ice up the Carolina Panthers, uh, power play right now.
• 1:27:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And the last series, now they're of over two on the power play.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even think they got shots on go.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: come on guys get it together.
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe they just play better at five and five right now.
• 1:27:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: So ice in up the icy game of power play hockey in Carolina right now.
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: My second ice up pick is a straight as quick and it's just
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think Nvidia stock popped really big yesterday or significantly Nvidia was the largest company, maybe they are still a largest company capitalized company who are making all these crazy processors that are important for these A-I data centers.
• 1:28:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now what's funny about this is that there was a
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Adarth a lack of processors back to you remember when the Bitcoin mining thing went crazy where they were building these mining Centers for Bitcoin and then it was these these chips where starting to get Scare even then to where the prices were going up were gamers were having problems because they're important for you know In video makes the best and we can see cake and probably chime on that the best processors for gaming and high speed computing
• 1:28:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's, where am I seeing this up is, is that the data center build out if you're watching any of the stocks in me and like is the economy is not necessarily strong in America.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've had high gas prices.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've had inflation, but the stock more, the economy has been growing.
• 1:29:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: and it's been growing because of this AI boom, this data-seller build out and it has druged, it kept the market up and it's helped businesses that aren't doing as well, not lose as much in a sense when it comes to the stock market.
• 1:29:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: But,
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: over the last month or two there's been some other companies that have just rocket shipped one being micron who by the way David Tepper was a big investor in them.
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Micron stock is at like close to $1,000 now and in 2018 it was at 52 bucks I think when Tepper was involved in it right when he's buying the panthers
• 1:29:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I had my cron stop back then I think I got rid of it at some point, but in video popped yesterday and with the idea is this is that look you can look at sand disc, you can look at AMD, you can look at my cron and all these companies that are just blossoming right now because of this.
• 1:30:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: But they basically came out and said their ships don't got nothing on anybody.
• 1:30:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're talking about just RAM and data.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: We got the mega store.
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: So in video and those high-end GPU ships right there, man, that cup it look is I think that this AI wave is not going anywhere when it comes to the finances and shame on you for not thinking
• 1:30:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm going to make a ice up pick.
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's no video or anything along those lines.
• 1:30:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to start.
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Part of this is going to be an ice up pick for myself if I'm being honest.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was.
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: obviously super fond of watching this new Michael film, just because it's so like it's it's got a lot of really I don't know it just looks like it's a really good movie and you know it tells a really interesting story when it comes to Michael Jackson and so you know it's it's I don't know just it allows you to kind of enjoy that the again it's biopic right well it became clear to me
• 1:31:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: have just decided to know what happened and how problematic his history was when it came to children.
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: And so I know a lot of people have defended.
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: his behavior or, you know, as being like, oh, it's just innocent, you know, and all that stuff.
• 1:31:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: But then, with you, actually dig into the things that they found in his, in his, in his home and, and, you know, in some of the evidence that comes along with that, it's like, all of a sudden, you're like, why was that, like, why did all of a sudden did I forget?
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: that this was what this dude was.
• 1:32:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, the fact that when police first went to his house and they found two books that had
• 1:32:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: you know, pedophilia, you know, type of material on it in it.
• 1:32:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, it, but in then it had his, you know, had two boys of even two minors, fingerprints on these books, which means that, you know, indicates that allegedly he would have been sending or letting these kids read these books, which again is a problem in and of itself.
• 1:32:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, like, I just, it became, I don't know, it's,
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and stuff all it was, it's no big deal and it was a lot easier just to pretend like it was not really anything to write home about that it was more innocent than anything and I don't know, it just I'm ice myself up because I had kind of lulled myself into that same level of like,
• 1:33:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: feeling is though he wasn't a bad guy so that I could, you know, still enjoy what he brought the world.
• 1:33:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I just want to, I guess I'm icing up people who let time slip the or allow your memory to slip and maybe start to idolize somebody who doesn't really arguably deserve it.
• 1:33:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Cain's a kill a power play and tie the game up four four and the third eight minutes and thirty seconds left Okay, so you can't think the only thing with
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Michael Jackson is I mean sure people don't want to think about those things.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think there is maybe a sympathy a little bit for Michael Jackson because like he got trapped.
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Some people basically you just got trapped as a child himself.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
• 1:34:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean I think there is some sympathy.
• 1:34:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's part that report is that the idea is like you know he had his issues weren't just like
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of that cultivated them.
• 1:34:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, they weren't, but they rarely are for any person.
• 1:34:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's a great point.
• 1:34:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: There's nobody that's sitting there saying that Jeffrey Dommer deserves sympathy because of his childhood being what it was or, you know, any of these other, you know, pedophiles who are, you know, a lot of times grow up to pedophiles because they themselves were molested as children.
• 1:34:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 1:34:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's.
• 1:34:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: I understand the idea of like trying to take the responsibility off of them and putting it on their childhood, but I don't know about you and I understand again I've never gone through that level of trauma.
• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I have gone through things in my life and I had to make a choice about what I wanted to be when I became an adult.
• 1:34:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, did I want to continue to follow in my father's footsteps?
• 1:35:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Or did I want to learn from his mistakes?
• 1:35:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: Or did the trauma that I felt like at some point they're making the decision to create that same trauma that they're saying that they suffered from?
• 1:35:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: I have very little sympathy for somebody who's willing to let somebody else suffer the same thing you're
• 1:35:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 1:35:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I was to have told the only thing about Michael Jackson and this is why he will always and forever be such a controversial finger is when he was never found guilty of
• 1:35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: basically, and that was ever brought against them, right?
• 1:35:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And also, we live in the age of conspiracies, and, you know, shout out to Pantheon, you know, if like if you're someone who believes that the entire music industry had it out for Michael, you know, they could very easily
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: have been a scenario where there would do anything and everything possible to even frame my projects and I do not see here telling you I have the answer either way and I agree with you is that is, you know,
• 1:36:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: anything to do with harming a child is the worst kind of vehicle that a person can commit.
• 1:36:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: But again, I think it's always just going to be so controversial because one, the biggest pop star to ever live and then do.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know that there are absolutely, even if it did things, two things can be true.
• 1:36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: There are absolutely people and parents who would be willing to put their child in harm's way to make up a story to get a mega payday for the rest of their lives.
• 1:36:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do believe a couple of those parents were basically found guilty as having done.
• 1:36:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'm no expert in everything that happened with Michael Jackson, but yeah, it's always going to be a two-way street with that guy.
• 1:37:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And a fine Jason Carrack.
• 1:37:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go watch Corey Feldman versus the world.
• 1:37:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Please for the love not watch that and you will Corey Feldman is a fucking nutjob But he loves Michael Jackson because he was hanging out with him, but he thinks he's Michael Jackson that mess is the most also documentary Whenever ever Cory Feldman versus the world like now I just peek in occasionally just Google what's going on with Corey Feldman
• 1:37:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, Cody, hit us up with your eyes.
• 1:37:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, Tony, I feel like I've been failing you in recent weeks.
• 1:37:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't been providing you enough just unhinged.
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
• 1:37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is a really vital app.
• 1:37:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to make up for that tonight.
• 1:37:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And dude, I don't know, just just like nightmare fuel.
• 1:37:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if anyone's seeing this.
• 1:38:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But imagine you're just walking.
• 1:38:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, and then just up here's like it didn't exist.
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hits are in the midsection, and then she just plummeted all the way down into a sewer.
• 1:38:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this was in Brazil.
• 1:38:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I wish you the best of luck to see if we could get paid.
• 1:38:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this moment did survive thankfully, uh, but it was funny to be coming out in front of you.
• 1:38:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But to be expired to this, also in Brazil, an elderly woman fell through a manhole and she actually
• 1:38:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And God, this woman was incredibly lucky.
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's like, they need to put the red side up.
• 1:38:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it is up.
• 1:38:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:38:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's not.
• 1:38:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, I need to flip those manual covers.
• 1:38:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was upside down.
• 1:38:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was.
• 1:38:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:39:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Out.
• 1:39:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: What a face.
• 1:39:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
• 1:39:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe that provincial from,
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, don't walk under ladders on purpose.
• 1:39:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't test the test it.
• 1:39:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, another one for me.
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is my final one.
• 1:39:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, people most of my family is from Louisiana.
• 1:39:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I understand that this is commonplace that people think the dick and just sitting out in here and figure the dick on the right and build them up and it never works out.
• 1:39:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So on the side of the freeway, oh, buddy, thanks.
• 1:39:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got this, I can create a bro.
• 1:39:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, oh, it's getting to my legs and stuff.
• 1:39:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're in a lot of dude.
• 1:39:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thankfully, the stuff before I post in your brother.
• 1:39:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's around it, find out.
• 1:39:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Andrews, I want to be strong as Biden forces and look, he's got an open up his mouth dude.
• 1:40:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they can't open, like the powers and the, like so if you can rap, I'm actually, I'm not fucking with it, man.
• 1:40:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not messing with that.
• 1:40:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: What a dummy.
• 1:40:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you got with, you get what you get.
• 1:40:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: For though, he raises his hand to him.
• 1:40:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like trying to imitate them.
• 1:40:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to fuck you up.
• 1:40:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know you're not homeboy.
• 1:40:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So to to to man home covers in Brazil.
• 1:40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, Eddie.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna have to send a little bit to the end.
• 1:40:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:40:37
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• 1:41:02
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• 1:41:03
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• 1:41:06
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• 1:41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep powering it.