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Wired To Hunt Podcast #186: Rut Radio 11/22/17 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one and
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Speaker 1: tan the show, we are back with a new rut
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Speaker 1: radio episode in which we're checking in with a handful
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Speaker 1: of hunters from all across the nation to get the
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Speaker 1: latest on the white tail rut and the tactics that
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Speaker 1: are working right now. Welcome to this week's episode of
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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunts Radio. Now, if you're not familiar with
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Speaker 1: what Wire to Haunts wrote radio is, what you'll be
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Speaker 1: listening to is me getting deer reports from deer hunters
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Speaker 1: across the nation specific quickly to get a feel for
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Speaker 1: what the buck activity is in their area. Now that
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Speaker 1: sounds different throughout the fall, and so you know, late
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Speaker 1: September we're gonna hear about bucks that are moving out
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Speaker 1: of there summer patterns. And then October is going to
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Speaker 1: be all the signmaking and November is obviously the rut
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Speaker 1: and now we're into another transition here at the end
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Speaker 1: of November, and a lot of that is what we'll
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Speaker 1: touch on in this episode and The idea for this
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Speaker 1: podcast is to help out hunters who maybe haven't been
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Speaker 1: in the woods in a little while. You know, you
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Speaker 1: have a three day weekend coming up here, or I
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Speaker 1: guess a really good example that you have a four
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Speaker 1: day weekend coming up for Thanksgiving and you haven't been
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Speaker 1: in the woods for a while. You haven't checked your
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Speaker 1: trail cameras, so you're not sure how aggressive you should be,
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Speaker 1: if you should focus on mornings or evenings, if you
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Speaker 1: think decoin would work right now, if we are beyond
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Speaker 1: lockdown and on the way down of the road, whatever
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Speaker 1: it might be, in this podcast will hope fully give
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Speaker 1: you some information and help you get another piece of
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Speaker 1: the puzzle in what is pursuing with your white Tails. Now,
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Speaker 1: you'll notice something a little different this week, and that
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Speaker 1: is that we are without our fearless leader, Mark Kenyon.
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Speaker 1: So this intro was going to sound a little different
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Speaker 1: than most of them. Now I'll start out with my
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Speaker 1: salth Dakota report. Um, the real reason that Mark is
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Speaker 1: not on here is because he was jealous that I
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Speaker 1: killed another buck in South Dakota. So I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to go into a lot of detail on that hunt
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Speaker 1: to keep him from being more upset than he already is.
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Speaker 1: But I'll talk a little bit about what the deer
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Speaker 1: we're doing, UM and what I have observed in this
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Speaker 1: last week, And I think the main thing there that
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Speaker 1: I've seen is that most excuse me, not most, all
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Speaker 1: of the mature bucks I've seen have been with does,
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Speaker 1: sometimes one, sometimes two or three. UM. But that has
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Speaker 1: seemed like a really important detail that I'm not seeing
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Speaker 1: these big mature bucks hanging out, you know, in in
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Speaker 1: these groups of deer that exceed five or six, it
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Speaker 1: seems like a handful of dos and then a mature buck.
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Speaker 1: Those doughs have not seem interested in those bucks, and
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Speaker 1: they've seemed interested in the food. So by the transitive
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Speaker 1: property of the does wanting to eat corn and the
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Speaker 1: bucks wanting to be where the does are, it is
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Speaker 1: seemed like the shift has now gone back to food sources.
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Speaker 1: And you'll hear a little bit of that in the
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Speaker 1: episode this week. Now, who we're gonna be talking to
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Speaker 1: as far as guests, we have Clay Forest with Stewart
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Speaker 1: Ranch Outfitters in Oklahoma, Matt Ross in New York with
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Speaker 1: qd M A. We go to Wisconsin and talk to
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Speaker 1: Derrick Nelson from Matthews Archery that we have Josh McDaniel
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Speaker 1: in Indiana with real tree. Now, this is notoriously a
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Speaker 1: tough time of year to hunt. Um. You know, you'll
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Speaker 1: hear people talk about it with disdain as if it
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Speaker 1: were you know, mid October and the October law. Um,
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Speaker 1: mid November seems to have that same reputation. But something
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Speaker 1: really cool about this episode is that there has been
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Speaker 1: a lot of success that we get to hear about, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, starting with myself in South Dakota, and then
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Speaker 1: Clay Forest Guiding at Stewart Ranchild Fitters in Oklahoma. He
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Speaker 1: has put all kinds of clients on deer lately, to
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Speaker 1: the point where like three guys show up in camp
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Speaker 1: and they're tagging out on the first day. And then
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Speaker 1: Derrick Nelson in Wisconsin, I think it was just like
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Speaker 1: last week he tagged out on a good buck there.
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Speaker 1: And then Josh McDaniel in Indiana. Uh, we hear about
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Speaker 1: his successful haunt from just a couple of days ago,
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Speaker 1: and so that that's something really cool that I don't
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Speaker 1: know if we've ever had a batting average this good
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Speaker 1: on RUT Radio for a guest lineup, So the end
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Speaker 1: of November is tough, but it's not impossible. Now. One
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Speaker 1: more thing to look forward listen for in this week's
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Speaker 1: episode is that each one of our guests seems to
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Speaker 1: have a distinct theme in their reports. Clay in Oklahoma's
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Speaker 1: have been talking about how the food sources it played
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Speaker 1: an important role. Right now, Matt, we'll touch on what
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Speaker 1: science says about the end of November, and then Derek,
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Speaker 1: he is going to talk about how a boat hunter
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Speaker 1: can survive gun season in his day like Wisconsin. And
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Speaker 1: then Josh has some great intel and tells us why
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Speaker 1: this time of year, the end of November and round
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is his favorite part of the season to haunt.
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Speaker 1: on the line first is Clay Forced, the manager of
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Speaker 1: Stewart Ranch Outfitters now Clay in Oklahoma. What would you
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Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale
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Speaker 1: of one to ten buck at Kivy for us in
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Speaker 1: the southwest part of the state. Um, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: call it a full ten, but we're really close eight
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Speaker 1: and a half to nine. Uh. Been seeing a lot
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Speaker 1: of activity in the last week to ten days as
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Speaker 1: far as bucks breeding, those bucks chasing, Uh, just all
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Speaker 1: day activity. So it's been a really good time to
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Speaker 1: be in the woods the last week and a half
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Speaker 1: or so. What would you label this phase? Is that
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Speaker 1: brought in Oklahoma? Then? Right now? Um, we are probably
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Speaker 1: just a little pass peak Rutt. Um. I believe peak
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Speaker 1: Rutt was in the last probably three to four days
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Speaker 1: time frame, So we're just on a little downhill swing,
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Speaker 1: but we're right there. As far as being peak, Well,
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Speaker 1: it looks like your clients have had a lot of
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Speaker 1: success lately. What if those setups looked like for you
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Speaker 1: guys to get in any big deer down. Uh. So
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Speaker 1: it's been a little bit of a little bit of everything. Um.
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Speaker 1: In our country, we're fortunate enough to be able to
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Speaker 1: glass from long distances and make moves on beer. Uh.
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Speaker 1: We were able to put about a hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: five intes year down on a on a spot in stock. Uh.
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Speaker 1: We basically bettered in down mid morning when got our
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Speaker 1: client and uh made a stock to him. He was
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Speaker 1: bettered down with his dough and we were able to
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Speaker 1: harvest him that way. Uh. And we're also getting in
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Speaker 1: the way of them basically don't be coming to and
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Speaker 1: from food sources right now does coming in uh to
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Speaker 1: food and basically Bucks following them in and uh so
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Speaker 1: we've we've had some success with that. So uh we
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Speaker 1: we've really kind of been utilizing every uh situation and
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Speaker 1: every tool that we have to to get Bucks down.
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Speaker 1: You just touch on food sources there. What are those
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Speaker 1: food sources you're talking about? Uh. In our part of
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Speaker 1: the world in Oklahoma, we uh we really rely on
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Speaker 1: winter weeek winter week goes in and mid step timber
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Speaker 1: and then really starts coming up about now. So we
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Speaker 1: had our first freeze about the week before Halloween, and
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Speaker 1: so dear have really been concentrating on our winter wheat
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Speaker 1: fields and we've been utilizing those a lot the last
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Speaker 1: about two weeks as far as our hunters coming in
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Speaker 1: and out, and uh, that's that's really where we put
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Speaker 1: a lot of our efforts to to find deer. So
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Speaker 1: are you looking at those winter wheat fields in the
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Speaker 1: mornings as well, or what are the mornings set ups
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Speaker 1: look like? Uh, yes, sir, So mornings set up for
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Speaker 1: more travel corridors coming to and from those fields. Um,
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Speaker 1: and kind of like I mentioned before, we're able to
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Speaker 1: glass a lot of our fields from from long range
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Speaker 1: distances and so we're getting a really good idea where
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Speaker 1: we're bucks, are deer are traveling to and from our fields,
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Speaker 1: And so those are our morning set ups for the
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Speaker 1: most part um, and then the afternoons we'll get in
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Speaker 1: pretty early one two o'clock or noon, you know, just
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Speaker 1: kind of whenever a guy wants to go out, and
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Speaker 1: then getting those fields and let them come back to
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Speaker 1: us in the in the evenings. As we get beyond
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Speaker 1: the best days of hunting here, how do you think
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Speaker 1: the weather affects the deer patterns down there in Oklahoma. Uh,
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Speaker 1: at least um, in the next ten days. According our forecast,
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Speaker 1: everything's supposed to say, pretty consistent. We're gonna be a
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Speaker 1: little warm for us, which isn't too bad um over
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Speaker 1: the years, at least at least for us. Consistent with
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Speaker 1: weather patterns keep dear active. It seems like if we
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Speaker 1: go from extreme cold extreme hot, you know, big big
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Speaker 1: temperature swings, our dear movement, our dear activity really declines
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Speaker 1: for a day or two. Um. So I'm pretty hopeful
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Speaker 1: with a consistent weather pattern, I think we're supposed to
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Speaker 1: be in the mid sixties, low seventies for highs and
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Speaker 1: in the fifth mid forties too or so for lows,
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Speaker 1: pretty consistent for the next ten days. I think our
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Speaker 1: our dear activity will stay stay pretty active, even though
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little warm. But that consistent weather
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Speaker 1: pattern for us really keeps deer on their feet and
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Speaker 1: kind of keeps them to their patterns. So our activity
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Speaker 1: should should stay pretty consistent going forward. Then in the
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Speaker 1: next week or so, what do you think that's going
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Speaker 1: to look like on a scale of one to ten
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Speaker 1: for the bucket activity uh Um, I think it's gonna
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Speaker 1: come down just a little bit from the like I said,
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Speaker 1: the peak the last week or ten days, but I
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Speaker 1: still think it's gonna be really good time to be
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Speaker 1: in the woods. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just call
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Speaker 1: it a seven. Um. I think that, uh, we should
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Speaker 1: be pretty accurate for the next next week or so. Alright, Clay,
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Speaker 1: we'll congrats to you and your clients. If anybody wants
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Speaker 1: to see the successes they've had, you can check them
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Speaker 1: on Instagram at s R Outfitters. Thanks for joining me,
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Speaker 1: all right, Thanks bench sure appreciate it alright and joining
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Speaker 1: me on the line. Next is Matt Ross out of
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Speaker 1: New York, the assistant director of Conservation for q dm A.
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Speaker 1: Now Matt in New York, what would you say the
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Speaker 1: buck activity is been lately on a scale of one
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Speaker 1: to ten, probably about a six on a scale of
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Speaker 1: one to ten. We are still seeing a little bit
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Speaker 1: of bucks pushing those around and and and getting out
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Speaker 1: and looking for those, but for the most part we
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Speaker 1: are passed the peak of the real seek and chase
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Speaker 1: sink phase. I think a lot of deer are still
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Speaker 1: are in a phase of lockdown or paired up um as.
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Speaker 1: For example, I actually just got out of the field
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Speaker 1: and I saw three bucks tonight in a in a
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Speaker 1: live field. Two yelling bucks were kind of playing around
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Speaker 1: it and uh sparring, and there was a three year
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Speaker 1: old now on the field and he was walking the
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Speaker 1: edge leaving some scrapes and just kind of went back
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Speaker 1: into the woods. But for the most part, the deer
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Speaker 1: that I'm used to seeing in that space, um, they're
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Speaker 1: not coming out. There weren't as many deals in the
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Speaker 1: field as there usually are. And uh, just based on
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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing from trail camras and other observations, I
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Speaker 1: think a deer are pretty locked down right now. Well,
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Speaker 1: New York just had their gun opener on last Saturday.
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Speaker 1: How do you think that's changed things for you guys?
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Speaker 1: As far as buck movement, it always impacts it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it definitely will reduce it, um, at least where I
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Speaker 1: live in New York. I'm on the eastern end of
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Speaker 1: New York near the Vermont border. I actually think we
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Speaker 1: peaked with fuck activity kind of right before that happened
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Speaker 1: four or five days before that, and I was starting
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Speaker 1: to see it come down, and then with all the
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Speaker 1: hunters in the woods, I think it pushed it even further.
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Speaker 1: Well before we jumped on the line, Matt had just
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Speaker 1: told me that he's starting to lose his voice. And Matt,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that's from all the grunting and snore
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Speaker 1: wheezing you've been doing. Are you doing any calling right
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Speaker 1: now in New York? No? Actually, I tried to rattle
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Speaker 1: this this morning. Didn't work, didn't bring any deer. And
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Speaker 1: but I've I've learned through UM some of the literature
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Speaker 1: that we've seen that some of the best times to
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Speaker 1: rattle is actually after the peak of the rut, when
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Speaker 1: things are a little bit past lockdown, mostly because those
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Speaker 1: deer that are breaking off of the dose that they
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Speaker 1: initially bred might respond at a higher rate. Um. I
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Speaker 1: actually did not try to call today, not because my voice.
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Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know I was losing my voice
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Speaker 1: until we got on the phone, because I didn't speak
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Speaker 1: to anybody all day. I had all day. Said well, Matt,
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Speaker 1: do you favor right now haunting mornings versus evenings? Not
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Speaker 1: mornings over evenings. I think, if anything, right now, I'm
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Speaker 1: feeling on the properties that I have access to, evenings
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Speaker 1: are still pretty good, just based on being able to
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Speaker 1: access those places. Um, not necessarily because of rud activity though. Well,
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Speaker 1: you did just reference on all day, said, have you
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Speaker 1: been seeing any movement at midday or have your trail
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Speaker 1: cameras been telling you about any Yeah, some of it
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Speaker 1: not me personally, but my cameras have been showing that
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Speaker 1: there's I actually I'm on Instagram. I posted a video
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Speaker 1: earlier today of four pointer that was making a scrape
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Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago. Um. I have other
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Speaker 1: cameras that aren't on video mode that I've got a
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Speaker 1: lot of good activity. In the middle of the day,
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Speaker 1: I did an all day sit. Partly because of my availability.
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Speaker 1: I got a young family and I had a day,
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Speaker 1: so I went and said all day um, but also
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Speaker 1: partly because the gun season just ended, or not ended,
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Speaker 1: it just started. And today's Tuesday. Dear typically respond to
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Speaker 1: hunting pressure by about two or three days after the
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Speaker 1: pressures initiated by returning back to normalcy. UM. So basically
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Speaker 1: today would still be a little bit on the low point,
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Speaker 1: but tomorrow deal would start getting back to the normal routine.
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Speaker 1: Today it was the day I got out, and I
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Speaker 1: was saying, thinking my muzzle just pulling all day, said,
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Speaker 1: just to see what I could find now this qutm
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Speaker 1: A have any literature or you know, speak about rubs
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Speaker 1: and scrapes at the end of November. Do you know
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Speaker 1: anything is as far as what science says about that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: scrapes peak prior to the rut peaks, So scrapes should
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Speaker 1: be going down if your if your rut is already heat,
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Speaker 1: you're going to see a down take a pretty big
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Speaker 1: one in scrapes. Robs will continue to increase in prevalence
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Speaker 1: throughout the rut, even going into the beginning of the
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Speaker 1: late rut. So what people out there that are are
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Speaker 1: scouting and hunting. If you're seeing scrapes drop off and
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Speaker 1: basically get covered up by leaves and just disappear, we're
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Speaker 1: starting to look like they're just not being hit at all.
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Speaker 1: You're pretty sure that you're past the peak of the rut. Um.
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Speaker 1: We have a great guy to the white Tail raw
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Speaker 1: on our website as links uh to a lot of
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Speaker 1: different attributes to the rut on our website. We're going
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Speaker 1: forward then, in this next week or so, what do
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Speaker 1: you think that buck ACTV is going to be on
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Speaker 1: a scale of one to tending New York. I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: it's going down on my prediction, it's going to be
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Speaker 1: closer to a four or five, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: see a lot less or or considerably less than than
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Speaker 1: what we saw last week. All right, Matt Well, I
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Speaker 1: hope your voice comes back to you you able to
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Speaker 1: find a deer uh in this coming week. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me, Thanks Bets, sorry for the voice. Before we
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17:22
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17:48
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17:56
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17:59
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18:02
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18:31
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18:38
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Speaker 1: S alright and joining us on the line. Next is
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Speaker 1: the content manager from Matthews, Derrick Nelson, now Derek in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: What would you say the buck activity is ben lately?
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Speaker 1: On a skill of one to ten, Um, I'd put
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Speaker 1: it right around a five right now. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think we're definitely past the the peak here actually
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Speaker 1: seemed to kick off a little earlier than normal this year,
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Speaker 1: but um, starting to starting to chill back out now
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Speaker 1: and as gun season opened this last week, it's gonna
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Speaker 1: slow those slow that buck movement down a little bit
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Speaker 1: more even. But I put it right around right around
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Speaker 1: a five probably. Now are you basing that on a
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Speaker 1: lack of sightings or have you seen some bucks indas
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Speaker 1: breeding lately? Um, haven't seen bucks and nose breeding lately. Um.
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Speaker 1: I I killed I filled my archery tag up here
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Speaker 1: actually in the twelve and a couple of days after that,
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Speaker 1: had one of my good buddies, you know, have a
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Speaker 1: one of his one of his hit list bucks come
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Speaker 1: chasing does right past this tree. Actually just couldn't get
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Speaker 1: a shot off. But um, you know, it really seems
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Speaker 1: like a lot of the the does are starting to
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Speaker 1: bunch back up and deer focusing on on food pretty hard.
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Speaker 1: Um in this last week especially, Um. But you know
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Speaker 1: it's it's been one of those deals where you know,
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Speaker 1: we we had you know, Bucks Star Chase in the
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Speaker 1: last you know week in October, and it felt like
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Speaker 1: it was in full swing before Noe November even hit here. Um.
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Speaker 1: After talking to you know a lot of the guys
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Speaker 1: at the office and and you know what I had
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Speaker 1: been experiencing out there, um, and it just kind of
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Speaker 1: seems like, you know, by the you know, by the
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Speaker 1: fift or sixteenth or so kind of um, right in
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Speaker 1: that date ranges when it kind of started to chill
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Speaker 1: out and you know, it wasn't feeling like you know,
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Speaker 1: full slinging rut anymore as a bull hunter, Derek, how
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Speaker 1: does your strategy change once gun season opens and it's
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Speaker 1: underwigh in Wisconsin? Um, you know, gun season kind of
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Speaker 1: always marks the time where you know, I mean a
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Speaker 1: lot of your deer, you know, after they've kind of
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Speaker 1: come out to the point where you know, rust and
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Speaker 1: full swing and you're right counting on not being nocturnal anymore.
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Speaker 1: With the second that the the guns kinda they come
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Speaker 1: out in the um, the wood starts getting lit up.
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Speaker 1: It seems like they flip right back to being way
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Speaker 1: more cautious again. So, um, I know for a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, UM, you know, it becomes right to the
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Speaker 1: stage where you're thinking about food. Um. It seems like
21:45
Speaker 1: right when gun season hits is kind of when our
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Speaker 1: attempts really start to drop off and deer start focusing
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Speaker 1: on food sources. The bulk up from winter. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we we don't yet, but I'm guessing we're gonna start
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Speaker 1: having some snow on the ground here soon and that'll
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Speaker 1: definitely kick that in the overdrive. But you know, a weeker,
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Speaker 1: just about a week and a half ago, I was
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Speaker 1: sitting out there and I had, you know, on a
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Speaker 1: on a bean field that had you know, thirty deer
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Speaker 1: feeding out there at four o'clock in the afternoon, you know,
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours before before dark, just filling up
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Speaker 1: with lots of bucks, you know, all out there at
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Speaker 1: the same time. A couple of them pretty mature here,
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Speaker 1: and they kind of didn't seem to care that there
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Speaker 1: was those out there, you know, other bucks. They were
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Speaker 1: just out there feeding the whole time. So Um, it
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Speaker 1: kind of becomes a lot about food sources. If you've
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Speaker 1: got food this time of year, you're still in good shape.
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Speaker 1: Will you continue hunting any mornings then or will you
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Speaker 1: switch the evenings about this time of the year. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I won't say that I wouldn't go out
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Speaker 1: in the morning. Definitely, evenings are are easier to hunt
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Speaker 1: at least for a lot of um the setups that
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Speaker 1: that I've got around here. Um, it's it's definitely gonna
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Speaker 1: be start, you know, definitely gonna start being about evenings primarily. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a couple of morning hunts here or there,
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Speaker 1: but you know, for for most purposes, evening hunts are
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Speaker 1: gonna be. Um what it's about from here on out
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Speaker 1: going forward. Then in this next week or so, Derek,
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Speaker 1: what do you think that bulk activity is going to
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Speaker 1: be in Wisconsin on the skill of one to ten,
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Speaker 1: I would expect to drop off even more. I think
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Speaker 1: probably going on from a you know five to a
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Speaker 1: four ish. Um, you know, I say, you're still gonna
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Speaker 1: see buck activity is just gonna be based around around
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Speaker 1: food and less around does um you know, sitting food
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Speaker 1: sources this time of years still really good as those
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Speaker 1: temperatures drop off, but also this this gun pressure could
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Speaker 1: could push a lot of that movement even later in
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Speaker 1: the evenings and stuff like that too, So I expect
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Speaker 1: to drop down to, you know, in the four range.
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Speaker 1: All right, Derek Will congrats on the great season you've
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Speaker 1: already had and good luck with what's left of it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks are joining me, Yeah, I appreciate it. Spencible all
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Speaker 1: right and joining me on the line. Last is Josh
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Speaker 1: McDaniel with Real Tree in Indiana. Now, Josh and Indiana,
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Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately
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Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. Uh, this last
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Speaker 1: few days, it's probably right up there again with with
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Speaker 1: as long as the weather is good, we're looking at
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Speaker 1: upon an eight or a nine right now. Well, Josh,
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Speaker 1: you just had a successful hunting. Why don't you tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit about that setup in that buck? Uh? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So I tagged out in Indiana on the morning of
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Speaker 1: nobert py uh again weather, it was amazing, very high
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Speaker 1: pressure morning, expected blue bird sky day. I expected a
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Speaker 1: lot of activity that day, you know this time of year.
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Speaker 1: Um My, my focus is trying to catch these bucks.
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Speaker 1: Now they've been locked down pretty hard for the last
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, and now we're on the back
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Speaker 1: end of this rut and a lot of these uh
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Speaker 1: bucks are breaking loose and trying to find really g
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Speaker 1: under feet and covering from ground again. UM, so they're
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Speaker 1: trying to catch the back end here of some of
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Speaker 1: these big mature bucks. And that's exactly what happened uh
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Speaker 1: here in Indiana. UM. My wife wasn't able to go
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Speaker 1: that morning, so I went in sulf filled myself and
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Speaker 1: end up about about eight thirty UM had a two
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Speaker 1: and a half year old chased a doe by me,
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Speaker 1: and then in the buck parade began after that, and
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Speaker 1: I end up with UH. Since the first year on
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Speaker 1: this lease, I'm figuring this uh our number two hitlister.
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Speaker 1: He's a four and a half five and a half.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure five and a half, but I just
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Speaker 1: don't have previous history to know for sure. UH five
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Speaker 1: and a half a buck we called double douce. He's
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Speaker 1: got mash, he's split G two's on both sides. He
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Speaker 1: uh come by within fifteen yards. Pretty chaotic, end up
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Speaker 1: getting the shot, got got it all on video, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there doing a hero and about fifteen minutes later,
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Speaker 1: look over and here comes number one hit lister of
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Speaker 1: the year. He comes in on the same hot dough.
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Speaker 1: He gets within oh, fifteen yards as well, and he
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Speaker 1: sees my buck laying there and ends up attacking. I
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Speaker 1: had to scream at him to get him to break loose,
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Speaker 1: But it was pretty crazy to get all the videos.
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Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things. But anyway, um, so
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Speaker 1: at that time of the year where it could almost
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Speaker 1: be like the pre rep stuff again, where you're starting
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Speaker 1: to see calling could be a little bit effective again,
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Speaker 1: bucks are starting to get um, they're still wanting to breed,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of these does are about done. So
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Speaker 1: and exactly what happened that day number one and number
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Speaker 1: two hit listeners, which we've not seen, I've not seen
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Speaker 1: all year, um daylight we're gotting pictures of and I
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Speaker 1: had both of the fifteen yards um just like that.
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Speaker 1: So well, Josh, what's really cool about that story to
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Speaker 1: me is I just wrote an article about six months
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Speaker 1: ago where I talked to some white tail enthusiasts about
26:41
Speaker 1: their favorite date to hunt the rut. And when I
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Speaker 1: talked to you, you told me it was like November
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Speaker 1: twenty four or something like that. And for most guys,
26:49
Speaker 1: that's you know, a down time for them, and that's
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Speaker 1: when they would rather be at home than in a
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Speaker 1: try stand. And so tell me a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about this time of year, you know why you like it,
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Speaker 1: so mutching and go to a little more specifics about
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Speaker 1: your favorite setups as far as mornings looking for doughs,
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Speaker 1: looking for food, whatever it might be. Yeah, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: typically this time of year is tough just because it's
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Speaker 1: it's you're grinding at this point. You've been already been
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Speaker 1: hunting hard for all days since for you know, to
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Speaker 1: to three weeks now, so your focus is is, you know,
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Speaker 1: pretty tough. That's why I stuffered a lot of guys.
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Speaker 1: It's not you're not seeing a ton of bucks as
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Speaker 1: much as you were, you know, the seven through the eleventh.
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Speaker 1: But this is the time of year. I feel like
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Speaker 1: that why it's my favorite, because this is when we
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Speaker 1: kill our biggest bucks, our oldest, more mature bucks, just
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Speaker 1: because like I explained there that you catch them on
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Speaker 1: the back side. Now they've you know, this one time
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Speaker 1: of the year they're gonna do this, so they're not
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Speaker 1: ready to give it up yet and they're trying to
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Speaker 1: find that last though, So now they're really getting out
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Speaker 1: of their area. Uh sometimes you can. And even this
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Speaker 1: time of year, I like because even if I've not
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Speaker 1: had a whole lot of big shooters, um, I try
27:59
Speaker 1: to stay positive just because now is the time you'll
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Speaker 1: catch a big shooter from somebody else's uh neck of
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Speaker 1: the woods. They could travel up to you know, a
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Speaker 1: mile or two just searching for that last note, depending
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Speaker 1: on what you're obviously your bucketo ra SiO is. But
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Speaker 1: um so that's why this this time of years my favorite.
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Speaker 1: Usually I like to say three to four days before Thanksgiving,
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Speaker 1: in three to four days after my favorite, um my
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Speaker 1: favorite time for those great big your biggest most mature
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Speaker 1: dear in your your neck of the woods. Earlier, you
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Speaker 1: reference that the weather has been really good lately. What
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Speaker 1: are you looking for in weather conditions as far as cold, frants, rain, wind? Uh? Yeah,
28:33
Speaker 1: this time of year, man, I'm I mean, it's you know, weather,
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Speaker 1: Trump's everything. I always say that, uh really, at least
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Speaker 1: at least here in Indiana. It just it makes all
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Speaker 1: the difference a lot of times. But this time of year,
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Speaker 1: I'm really looking for a good high pressure morning, Um,
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Speaker 1: especially with my thermal's rise, and I love that you
28:49
Speaker 1: can get away with a little bit more. But in
28:51
Speaker 1: anything thirty thirty point two this time of year and
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Speaker 1: up and higher on the pressure scale, Absolutely love. Uh
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Speaker 1: like you know, any kind of goods you know, I
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Speaker 1: like especially like if we've had a couple two three
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Speaker 1: days of the south, a little warm weather, and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get that first north or
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Speaker 1: vice versa, that we've got a few days of north
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Speaker 1: hold and all of a sudden that first warm day
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Speaker 1: after the front of the south. Um, those are all
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Speaker 1: good triggers. I like to uh, good frosty morning, good
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Speaker 1: hard frost with bluebird skies, UM, sunny day with you know,
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Speaker 1: optimal would be ten to fifteen our winds. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's ideal for me this time of year. Obviously you
29:34
Speaker 1: go all the time, Um, but those days you go
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Speaker 1: to your special spots that you've been dying to get
29:39
Speaker 1: into that you can't really hunt but to three times
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Speaker 1: a year, That's what I'm looking for this time of
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Speaker 1: year for sure. Going forward, then it Thanks week or so, Josh,
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Speaker 1: what do you think the bucket TV is going to
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Speaker 1: be in Indiana on a skill of one to ten,
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Speaker 1: one to ten again. UM. As long as weather is good, um,
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Speaker 1: and it's looking like it's gonna be all right, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say nine again, nine to ten uh and nine
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Speaker 1: for sure uh ten at the weather's right, all right, Josh, Well,
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Speaker 1: great Intel, and thanks for joining me. All right, Thanks guys,
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Speaker 1: have a good one, and that concludes this week's episode
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Speaker 1: of Wired Haunts Wrought Radio. As always, we thank you
30:17
Speaker 1: guys for listening, and we hope that you'll have a
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Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving. Hopefully this year you're thankful for a big buck.
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Speaker 1: hard at it at the end of November.