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- 0:00Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the reading of the
- 0:03Washington Post for this Monday, April twenty eighth. As reminder,
- 0:07Radio I is a reading service intended for people who
- 0:10are blind or have other disabilities that make it difficult
- 0:12to read printed material. Your reader for today is Rod Brotherton,
- 0:18and usually on Monday we start by reading Paul Prather's
- 0:21weekly column from Sunday's Herald Leader. But it looks like
- 0:24Paul had a vacation and he has no article from yesterday,
- 0:28so we'll start with a lead article on the Washington Post.
- 0:33Speaker 2: And our first story today.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Trump is softening his teariff talk, but the damage may
- 0:39already be done within fourteen months remaining before the United
- 0:45States two hundred and fiftieth birthday on July fourth, or
- 0:49twenty twenty six. Stacy Blake should be placing big orders
- 0:54with the Chinese factories that are supply of fireworks company
- 0:58in Saint Joseph, Missouri, but she's not, and she blames
- 1:02President Trump's tariffs. The same president who's making plans for
- 1:07a grand celebration of this nation's milestone has imposed sky
- 1:12high import duties that will make that Star Spangled festival tough.
- 1:17To pull off with trade war, causing US orders to
- 1:21dry up. Chinese firework factories have begun shutting down That
- 1:26threatens to disrupt the industry's production schedule, leading to serious shortages,
- 1:31said Blake, co owner of Schiitner Fireworks and Importing. We've
- 1:37got a huge problem ahead of us going into next year,
- 1:40said Blake, who was also president of the National Fireworks Association.
- 1:47Speaker 2: This season is.
- 1:48Speaker 1: When Chinese manufacturers would be manufacturing our products. Right now
- 1:53for twenty twenty six, for the two hundred and fiftieth,
- 1:57very little production is happening. They have halted it. The
- 2:02fireworks disruption looms. Even though the President spent much of
- 2:06last week so oftening his trade rhetoric, He said that
- 2:10a fair deal with China was possible and insisted that
- 2:14he had spoken with Chinese President Xijenping numerous times, which
- 2:19the Chinese government denied. Trade talks with dozens of other
- 2:24countries are going very well, Trump said, adding that he
- 2:27was very close to a deal with Japan. Yet, even
- 2:31as Trump signaled a willingness to seize his steepest tariffs,
- 2:36there were signs that his change of tone came too late.
- 2:40The economy has been damaged and at the threat to
- 2:44America's birthday celebration next to his shows it could take
- 2:48some time to learn precisely what affects the experiment with
- 2:52import taxes has had. You can't put the toothpaste back
- 2:57in the tube. What's you squeeze that it's out? Said
- 3:01Constance Hunter, chief economist at the Economist Intelligence Unit, a
- 3:06research firm. The delays effect of tariffs hang over the
- 3:12US economy that is powered through numerous issues in the
- 3:15past few years, but many key measures the economy reins strong.
- 3:21Unemployment is low, inflation has fallen dramatically from its post
- 3:25COVID highs and largely remains in check. Growth hastalled somewhat,
- 3:32but economists say it's probable that the nation's gross domestic
- 3:36product increase in the first quarter of this year. These
- 3:40upbeat indicators all have a key shortcoming, though they predate
- 3:45Trump's global tariffs and the disruption they've caused, and evidence
- 3:51is mounting that tariffs have curtailed economic activity and will
- 3:55soon push prices higher, even if the effects will take
- 3:59time to be broadly felt. Crump's tariffs on goods from
- 4:04China has disrupted trans Pacific supply chains. US officials are
- 4:09alarmed by companies dwindling inventories of critical raw earth medals
- 4:15necessary for a wide range of economic activity. Beijing restricted
- 4:20the medals this month. In the three weeks since the
- 4:24tariffs took effect, ocean container bookings from China to the
- 4:28US are down more than sixty percent, said Ryan Peterson,
- 4:33founder and CEO of Flexport, a global shipping company. Cargo
- 4:39carriers that bring Asian goods to the Port of Los Angeles,
- 4:42the nation's main Pacific gateway, have canceled twenty port calls
- 4:47next month, more than three times as many as last month,
- 4:51according to port data. The consequences will be empty shelves
- 4:56in US stores in a few weeks and COVID like
- 4:59shortages for consumers and for firms using Chinese products as
- 5:03intermediate goods, said Storston Slock, chief economists for Apollo Global Management.
- 5:10Fewer goods reaching American shores will mean higher prices on
- 5:14the goods that are in stores, as well as less
- 5:17work for dock workers and truck drivers. Significant layoffs and trucking,
- 5:23logistics and retail are likely as soon as May. Slock said,
- 5:28it feels like this slow motion wave that's coming at US,
- 5:31but not here yet, said Jason Furman, a Harvard University
- 5:36professor who serves as senior economist in the Obama administration.
- 5:41Manufacturers that rely on Chinese imports to make goods domestically
- 5:46are also showing signs of strain. The Philadelphia Fence Manufacturing
- 5:51Survey showed one of the biggest monthly drops on record,
- 5:55surpassed only by the start of the twenty twenty pandemic
- 6:00and the twenty eight Great Recession. Business investments is also
- 6:05cratering in response to the uncertainty caused by the tariffs,
- 6:09say Furman and other economists, the US economy is pointed
- 6:14in a dangerous direction. The further the economy goes down
- 6:18this path, the higher the risk of a recession. Bill Adams,
- 6:23chief economists for Kamerica Bank, wrote in a client note
- 6:26on Friday. In the face of these projections, Trump has
- 6:30signaled a desire to reach an agreement with China to
- 6:34remove drastic economic restrictions. His emphasized that his advisors are
- 6:39negotiating with dozens of other countries too. But while Trump
- 6:44sounds newly eager to strike a deal with z the
- 6:48Chinese leader may be in no hurry to reciprocate. The
- 6:53President often claims to have a personal relationship with z
- 6:57whom he has called a friend. Secretary Scott Descent said
- 7:01last week and told reporters that it was both a
- 7:04blessing and a curse that the strongest relationship between the
- 7:08two nations is at the very top. Indeed, Trump's top
- 7:13down negotiating style, which emerged from his personal handling of
- 7:17real estate transactions, does not match Chinese diplomatic practice. Rather
- 7:23than embark on risky mono a mono bargaining, z MA
- 7:27insist that trade talks start with subordinate officials who can
- 7:31lay a foundation for the leaders eventual agreement. They have
- 7:36a different approach, said Myron Brilliant, a senior counsel at
- 7:40the DGA group their bottom up. Trump likes to work
- 7:44negotiations top down. This stylistic clash may make an early
- 7:50settlement of the US China trade clash unlikely, he said.
- 7:54Some progress has been made elsewhere. The US is advancing
- 7:59toward a deal within, said s Noir Prasad, a Cornell
- 8:03University professor who served in a senior role at the
- 8:07International Monetary Fund. The administration is pushing India to lower
- 8:12its tariffs on American agricultural products, a measure of the
- 8:16Indian government appears willing to entertain. Prosad said. The sen
- 8:21has projected optimism about reaching quick deals with partners such
- 8:25as South Korea, which could mitigate the economic harm from
- 8:29the tariffs. Trump's defenders say this approach reflects his negotiating
- 8:35style of making maximal demands and then gradually coming back
- 8:40to the table from a position of strength. The Trump technique,
- 8:44if you read his two books on negotiating, is to
- 8:47go way out and then gradually pull back. He never
- 8:51goes small and then pushes out, and he's done that
- 8:55his whole career, said Newt Gingrich, a Trump ally who
- 8:58served as Speaker of the House from nineteen ninety five
- 9:01through nineteen ninety nine. But it's unclear how Trump could
- 9:06pull back from the measures he has imposed before they
- 9:08damaged the economy. The biggest impact stems from the tariffs
- 9:13on imports from China, which are far steeper than even
- 9:17the drastic measures he promised. During his twenty twenty four
- 9:20presidential campaign, Trump ran on tariffs of sixty percent on
- 9:25China when Beijing retaliated against the president's first wave of
- 9:29import duties, the US head back goods from China now
- 9:35faced tariffs of one hundred and forty five percent, and
- 9:39China has retaliated with its own economic restrictions. The combination
- 9:45threatens to effectively choke off bilateral trade. They never wanted
- 9:51tariffs at high on China, said one person briefed on
- 9:53the White House's thinking, who, like some others quoted in
- 9:57this article, spoke on the condition of a nanimity to
- 10:00discuss private deliberations. Trump just went tit for tat with him.
- 10:06That's him as a person.
- 10:07Speaker 2: He wants to.
- 10:08Speaker 1: Treat them as they treat us. Even if Trump eventually
- 10:13does roll back duties on Chinese made goods to sixty percent,
- 10:18the overall US average terifreate would set sixteen percent, a
- 10:22sharp rize from the pre Taied War figure over around
- 10:26two point two percent.
- 10:27Speaker 2: According to a.
- 10:28Speaker 1: JP Morgan Chase analyst, that increase would be more than
- 10:33ten times what the US experienced during Trump's first term,
- 10:38and would represent a tax hike of nearly five hundred
- 10:41billion dollars on American importers. According to the Investment Bank,
- 10:47there also appear to be no easy solutions to Trump's
- 10:50tariffs on goods from the European Union and Japan, two
- 10:54of the United States' biggest trading partners. Japan is expected
- 10:58to resist U s reques quests to limit automobile exports,
- 11:02said two people familiar with the matter, speaking of course
- 11:06on the condition of anonymity, and EU Commissioner Vladis Dombrowski's
- 11:12told The Wall Street Journal the EU won't negotiate changes
- 11:16to its value added tax or agricultural subsidies. Compounding the
- 11:22challenge is the logistical difficulty of simultaneous talks with dozens
- 11:28of governments. Prasad, citing conversations with economic officials in four countries,
- 11:35said US trading partners are largely in the dark about
- 11:39key elements and potential deals, such as whom they are
- 11:42supposed to be talking to and the concessions the administration
- 11:46is seeking. One foreign diplomat, speaking on the condition of anonymity,
- 11:51expressed concern that any deal reached with Treasury or Commerce
- 11:56officials could be later undercut by Trump. Some trading partners
- 12:01are also wary of agreeing to the administration's demands only
- 12:05to see Trump impose additional tariffs on their businesses later
- 12:08this year. Meanwhile, Shiitner Fireworks is hoping the President reverts
- 12:15to his first term trade war stance. Most of all
- 12:18the fireworks that Americans purchase are personal, used and made
- 12:23in China. Three quarters of fire or technics featured in
- 12:27more elaborate community celebrations are Chinese. In twenty nineteen, recognizing
- 12:34the lack of domestic production, Trump exempted the industry from
- 12:38its first China tariffs. This time, however, he has not
- 12:43granted similar waiver, leaving scores of small businesses facing crippling
- 12:48extra costs. Importers who cannot afford one hundred and forty
- 12:53five percent taxes have told their Chinese suppliers to freeze shipments,
- 12:58which could mean some consumer favorites for celebrating the Fourth
- 13:02of July holiday this year will be hard to find,
- 13:04said Blake shiit Er Fireworks co owner. Without immediate relief
- 13:10from Trump's tariffs, American importers will miss their turn in
- 13:15the Chinese production line for twenty twenty six. Fireworks favorites
- 13:20will soon enter their annual summer shutdown, and when they reopen,
- 13:25they are scheduled to fill European orders before producing what
- 13:29China consumers demand. It's very crucial that we start manufacturing
- 13:35in China right now, Blake said. And our next story,
- 13:41how religious public schools went from a long shot to
- 13:45the Supreme Court. The proposal was the most auditious Robert
- 13:51Franklin had ever seen during his four decades in education.
- 13:55The Catholic Archdiocese of Oklahoma City to create the nation's
- 14:01first religious school, taxpayer funded public charter school. Franklin, who
- 14:09chaired a state board responsible for approving new charter schools,
- 14:13saw the idea as patently illegal and an obvious assault
- 14:18on the separation of church and state. Oklahoma would be
- 14:22directly sponsoring and paying for a school that promises to
- 14:27inject religion into every aspect of its teaching and expects
- 14:32students to adhere to its beliefs. He was sure the
- 14:37idea would quickly die, but this was a proposal aimed
- 14:42well beyond one tiny charter school for rural Oklahoma. It
- 14:47was part of a careful legal and political strategy aimed
- 14:52at affecting public and parochial education coast to coast. During
- 14:57a break in a meeting of the charter school board
- 15:00where the proposal was discussed, Franklin approached a church official
- 15:04who had helped craft the idea. I feel like this
- 15:08is so much bigger than what this board is all about.
- 15:12Franklin told him. Perhaps I'm just a pawn in this process.
- 15:18You are, the official replied, According to Franklin, We're going forward.
- 15:24We will go to the Supreme Court if we have to.
- 15:29Two years later, his prediction has come to pass. The
- 15:34nation's highest court will hear all arguments Wednesday over the
- 15:38constitutionality of Saint Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School, a
- 15:45blockbuster case that could remake modern bedrock constitutional principles. The
- 15:52case was born in Oklahoma, but propelled forward by a
- 15:56religious liberty clinic at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana.
- 16:01The clinic as one of the most connected legal institutions
- 16:04in the country, with extensive financial and personal ties to
- 16:09members of the Supreme Court and a mission to break
- 16:12down barriers between church and state. A Notre Dame law
- 16:17professor had put forward with the idea that denying government
- 16:21funding from parochial charter schools would amount to anti religious discrimination.
- 16:28She based her position on recent decisions by Chief Justice
- 16:32John G. Roberts Jr. And the rest of the Court's
- 16:35conservative majority that boosted the role of religion in public life.
- 16:40A High Court victory for Saint Isidore based on the
- 16:44law Professor's premise would represent a major expansion of the
- 16:49use of taxpayer money for religious education and the clinic's
- 16:52biggest win to date. While school vouchers in some states
- 16:58helped pay for private religon schools, charter schools are full
- 17:03fledged public schools. They get the same funding as traditional
- 17:08public schools and must abide by the same non discrimination rules.
- 17:14Saint Isidor's would not only teach religion, but it would
- 17:18also make faith based hiring and curriculum decisions that have
- 17:23been strictly off limits for public institutions. Justin driver Or,
- 17:29a professor at Yale Law School and an expert on
- 17:33educational law, said it's difficult to overstate the magnitude of
- 17:39the case for our constitutional order. The goal posts in
- 17:44this constitutional area have moved incredibly far, incredibly fast. Driver
- 17:50said even a decade ago, the nation that states would
- 17:54be required to recognize religious charter schools was not at
- 17:58all a mainstream view. There is a certain sense of
- 18:02constitutional whiplash here. A year before the Saint Isidore proposal
- 18:09came before Franklin's board. Notre Dame law professor Nicole Garrett
- 18:15laid out a blueprint for making it a reality. Her
- 18:18name Garnett, a former law clerk That's Justice Clarence Thomas,
- 18:23had worked on the school choice issues since the nineteen
- 18:26nineties and was a prominent voice in the conservative legal movement.
- 18:31In a twenty twenty paper, she argued that the High
- 18:35Court had cracked the door to radically remaking American education
- 18:40by ruling in a Montana case that states may not
- 18:44exclude religious schools when offering subsidies or funding for private education.
- 18:51Garnett made a provocative argument the court's reasoning would ultimately
- 18:56require states to allow public charters schools that are religious
- 19:02in nature. If religious charter schools are constitutionally permissible, then justice,
- 19:09as well as the Constitution, demands that they must be permitted.
- 19:15Garnet wrote. The idea was a legal outlier. The forty
- 19:21five states that allow charter schools, plus the District of
- 19:24Columbia all require them to be non sectarian. Decisions by
- 19:29the Supreme Court since the nineteen sixties had erected a
- 19:33high wall between religion and schools. Garnet herself had doubted
- 19:39the constitutionality of direct public funding for religious charter schools
- 19:43as recently as twenty fourteen, writing that all state laws
- 19:49make clear that charter schools are privately operated public schools,
- 19:54so a religious public charter school could not receive government
- 19:58money without changes to statutes. But in education and other spheres,
- 20:05the Roberts Court has bolstered religious liberty and rulings that
- 20:08have become one of the most significant legacies. First, in
- 20:12twenty seventeen, the Court found that Missouri could not exclude
- 20:18a religious preschool from a playground resurfacing program. Then came
- 20:23the twenty twenty Montana case, requiring states that aid private
- 20:28schools to include some faith based ones in that funding.
- 20:35In twenty twenty two, the Court would require Maine to
- 20:40let parents use vouchers for religious schools, and it would
- 20:44let a high school football coach prey on the school
- 20:47field in a separate case. This term, the Court appears
- 20:51likely decide with a group of parents who want to
- 20:54pull their children from public school lessons with LGBTQ plus
- 20:59theme the books for religious reasons. Each of the rulings
- 21:05recently relied on an expansive view of the First Amendment's
- 21:09free exercise clause, which prohibits the government from interfering with
- 21:14the rights of individuals to practice religion. Critics argue the
- 21:18rulings have dangerously diminished the First Amendment's counterpoint, the establishment Clause,
- 21:25which prohibits the government from establishing an official religion or
- 21:29favoring certain faiths. Garnet's paper set an organization seeking to
- 21:35open a religious charter school might challenge state rules on
- 21:40the same free exercise grounds that had been so successful
- 21:44in the earlier cases. In contrast to her twenty fourteen position,
- 21:50Garnet asserted religious public charter schools should be considered private
- 21:55entities so they could receive public money. It is likely
- 22:01that lawsuits challenging charter school laws will be filed in
- 22:05some states in the near future, she wrote. Officials with
- 22:09the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City also had been following the
- 22:13High Court's jurisprudence. Its general counsel knew Garnet and her scholarship.
- 22:20Catholic school officials had concluded during the pandemic that online
- 22:25learning could be successful for some children. The combination sparked
- 22:31the idea of creating an online only religious public charter
- 22:35school to teach rural Catholics who did not have access
- 22:39to brick and mortar parochial schools, as well as students
- 22:43with special needs. In twenty twenty one, the archdiocese asked
- 22:49Garrett for help. Garnett said the case would be a
- 22:53good fit for the newly created Religious Liberty Clinic at
- 22:56Notre Dame's Law School, established the previous year. The clinic
- 23:01and archdiocese tested the waters for Saint Isidore and a
- 23:05seven page letter to Franklin, the charter school board chairman.
- 23:09He was surprised to see it included thirty two foot notes,
- 23:14citations to recent Supreme Court rulings, and legal arguments about
- 23:18the First Amendment that Garnett had made in her earlier paper. Typically,
- 23:25you get a proposal from a vendor that is a
- 23:28page and a half that says, this is who we are,
- 23:31this is what we want to do, this is why
- 23:33we would like to run a charter school.
- 23:35Speaker 2: He said.
- 23:36Speaker 1: It won't pass legal muster. Franklin told the Catholic officials
- 23:41they asked him to request a legal opinion from Oklahoma
- 23:45Attorney General John M. O'Connor. Franklin agreed, confident that the
- 23:50Attorney general would share his constitutional concerns.
- 23:54Speaker 2: He was wrong.
- 23:58Speaker 1: In December of twenty twenty two, weeks before leaving office,
- 24:03O'Connor back Saint Isodore's arguing in an opinion that Oklahoma's
- 24:07law requiring charter schools be non sectarian was likely to
- 24:13be unconstitutional based on the recent Supreme Court cases. Franklin
- 24:18and Garnett said they were both surprised, but they weren't
- 24:22the only ones. Republican genter Drummond had defeated O'Connor and
- 24:27the GOP primary for Attorney General in twenty twenty two
- 24:31and was preparing to take office when O'Connor's opinion was issued.
- 24:36Both men are religious Christians, but Drummond argued that there
- 24:41was an important difference between the government allowing vouchers to
- 24:45fund religious schools and the state creating a religious school.
- 24:51He feared the latter could open the door to the
- 24:53government imposing rules on parochial schools that run counter to
- 24:58their beliefs and clear the way for schools run by
- 25:01radical Islamists or the Church of Satan, and he thought
- 25:06Oklahoma was being used by outside interest to push an
- 25:10agenda that ran counter state law as well as the
- 25:13state and US constitutions. We're the perfect target where a
- 25:19small state by population were a very bright red state,
- 25:23he said in an interview. They had the perfect trilogy
- 25:28of the governor, the school superintendent, and the attorney general.
- 25:33In February of twenty twenty three, Drummond replaced O'Connor's opinion
- 25:37with his own analysis that the school's application was unconstitutional.
- 25:44Shortly before he sent out his letter, he spoke with
- 25:47Garnett at the archdiocese's request. He recalled her being flummoxed
- 25:53that he would take the step, telling him his legal
- 25:56position was in direct violation of the three cases in
- 25:59which the Supreme Court had steadily opened more and more
- 26:02public funding for religious schools in recent years. Her plea
- 26:07was please readdress this. This is the state of Oklahoma
- 26:11discriminating against Saint Isidore's, Drummond recalled, I said, respectfully, that
- 26:18is not it. They spoke for about thirty minutes, he said,
- 26:21each failing to convince the other. But the Catholic Church
- 26:26and the Legal Clinic had other powerful backers in the state,
- 26:29which has become one of the nation's foremost laboratories for
- 26:33pushing the boundaries of religious and religion and public schools.
- 26:37In deciding to represent Saint Isidor's, Notre Dame had considered
- 26:41the state's politics and what sort of opposition they might
- 26:45run into, According to a person familiar with the church's
- 26:47thinking on the matter, who spoke on the condition of
- 26:51anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case,
- 26:56Republican Governor Kevin Stitt supports the create of the school,
- 27:01as does Ryan Walters, the state school superintendent, who has
- 27:05drawn national attention for trying to put Bibles in classrooms
- 27:08and incorporate the Ten Commandments into school curriculums, among other proposals.
- 27:14In June of twenty twenty three, two days before the
- 27:16Virtual Charter School Board was set to vote on Saint
- 27:19Isidore's application, Oklahoma's Republican House Speaker replaced a charter school
- 27:24board member expected to vote against the proposal to create
- 27:29Saint Isidor's with an Oklahoma City businessman, Brian Bobek. Franklin,
- 27:35the board chair, publicly called for Bobuk to rescue recuse
- 27:39himself from the high profile decision, arguing that his last
- 27:43minute appointment created the appearance of political manipulation, and that
- 27:48Bobek had not been on the board long enough to
- 27:50hear all the arguments about the proposed school. Boebik declined
- 27:55and cast the deciding vote in the three to two
- 27:58decisions ratifying the school, with Franklin in the minority. The
- 28:03following month, the ACLU, the American United for Separations of
- 28:07Church and State, and others issued and sued on behalf
- 28:11of a group of Oklahoma residents asking for Saint Isidore's
- 28:15approval to be rescinded. They argued that their tax dollars
- 28:19should not go to a school that might discriminate against
- 28:22gay students and those of other faiths. In its application,
- 28:26the school had said all students are welcome, but that
- 28:28they were expected to adhere.
- 28:30Speaker 2: To the school's beliefs and religious mission.
- 28:34Speaker 1: Public schools would become Sunday schools, said Rachel Laser, chief
- 28:38executive of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
- 28:42The religious freedom of religious minorities and the non religious
- 28:46would be imperiled. Saint Isidore's backers had expected liberal groups
- 28:51would object to religious charter schools, but what happened next
- 28:54came as a surprise, Drummond filed his own suit against
- 28:58the Virtual Charter Schools Board, arguing the contract it signed
- 29:02with Saint isit Or violated the state's constitution. That is
- 29:05the case being argued Wednesday. That obviously changed everything, said
- 29:10the person familiar with church, thinking everyone expects a right
- 29:14left fight, and suddenly it's a right right fight. The
- 29:18Oklahoma Supreme Court sided with Drummond, ruling the virtual charter
- 29:22school must be rescinded and the Saint Isidore's contract because
- 29:28the school violated the First Amendments Establishment Clause, Oklahoma law
- 29:32and the state Constitution. Are we being used as a
- 29:36test case? It sure looks like it, Oklahoma Justice von
- 29:40Krueger said. During Orgel arguments, She suggested that the dismantling
- 29:45of the wall between church and state would have far
- 29:47reaching consequences. When the wall comes down, it's Katie bar
- 29:51theador everyone would be would be affected. That high stakes
- 29:58proposition now goes before the sup Court. People on both
- 30:02sides of the case say the key question will be
- 30:05whether charter schools are fundamentally private operators are part of
- 30:09the public school system. If private religious practice will probably
- 30:15be viewed as constitutional. If public it would be banned.
- 30:21The state has enlisted private entities to run schools and
- 30:25given public funds to them, Garnett said in an interview,
- 30:28referring to the private organizations that run most charter schools,
- 30:33and it has said the only kind of pluralism that
- 30:37is off the table is religious pluralism. Opponents will argue
- 30:43the opposite. Our founders believed that when the state acts,
- 30:48it starts picking winners and losers in a religious area.
- 30:52Our religious liberties are compromised, said Drummond, who will be
- 30:56the second chair for the Oklahoma on Wednesday. For us
- 31:00to have the liberty to freely exercise religion or not,
- 31:04we must maintain a separation between the state action and religion.
- 31:09To go down this road jeopardizes religious liberty. Seven of
- 31:14the nine justices were raised Catholic and six attended Catholic
- 31:21high schools. The courts tied Notre Dame in Garnet's law
- 31:25clinic or substantial, prompting court watchdogs to call for some
- 31:29of the justices not to.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Hear the case.
- 31:33Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Notre Dame President paid Justice Clarence
- 31:38Thomas almost twenty thousand dollars to give a speech. In
- 31:41twenty twenty two, an affiliate of the clinic flew Justice
- 31:45Samuel A. Alito Junior to Rome for a four day
- 31:48trip to give a speech. In twenty twenty two and
- 31:51twenty three, Notre Dame's Law school paid Justice Bridam Kavanaugh
- 31:56to speak and teach.
- 31:57Speaker 2: In Rome and London.
- 32:00Speaker 1: The Court's ethics Code allows justices to accept these opportunities
- 32:04from universities, which are seen as helping spread knowledge about
- 32:07the law and the Court. Many other prestigious schools have
- 32:11similarly paid the justices for educational engagements and campuses and abroad,
- 32:17although by one measure Notre Dame has spent the most.
- 32:22The only justice planning to set out the case is
- 32:25Amy Coney Barrett, a former Notre Dame law professor who
- 32:30is close friends with Garnett. In twenty twenty, as Barrett
- 32:34was leaving her job at the university to join the
- 32:36High Court, a staffer from the Religious Liberties Clinic purchased
- 32:41Barrett's Indiana home. Barrett's recusal means only eight justices will
- 32:47vote on the legality of Saint Isidore's The three Liberals
- 32:51are widely expected to see the court as unconstitutional. A
- 32:55four to four tie would keep the state's Supreme court
- 32:59rejection of the school in place. Church officials say they
- 33:04are excited about the opening and their new virtual school
- 33:07in the fall of twenty twenty six. That has always
- 33:10been their goal, they say, But for opponents like Robert Franklin,
- 33:15it was clear from the start that far more is
- 33:19at state. This was never really about two or three
- 33:23hundred children in the state of Oklahoma in a far
- 33:26flung rural setting who wanted a virtual Catholic education. He said,
- 33:32this is a test case from the beginning and the
- 33:38next story. Many Jews say Trump is politicizing the fight
- 33:41against anti Semitism. The Trump administration declared April fourteenth that
- 33:49the harassment of Jewish students isn't untolerable, as it suspended
- 33:54two point two billion dollars in grants to Harvard University.
- 33:59Thesident Alan Garber fired back Monday that as a Jew
- 34:04and as an American, he is well aware of rising
- 34:07anti semitism, but the defunding Harvard there is no solution.
- 34:12The Trump administration has frequently cited anti semitism to justify
- 34:17its decisions to slash funding for elite universities, deport foreign
- 34:21students and accuses of anti Jewish sentiment, and seek more
- 34:25control over what American schools and universities teach. Some Jewish
- 34:30leaders welcome President Trump's efforts as the most aggressive fight
- 34:34against anti Jewish bigotry in American history, but others worry
- 34:40that Trump is politicizing the fight against anti Semitism by
- 34:44using it to promote his agenda, potentially hurting Jews in
- 34:48the long run, especially as Trump dismantles other anti discrimination efforts.
- 34:55On the state level, Legislators, mostly Republicans, are also pressing
- 35:01ahead with bills that include a much debated definition of
- 35:04anti Semitism, one that critics say chills legitimate criticism of Israel.
- 35:11The dispute has exacerbated long running tensions between liberal and
- 35:16conservative Jews, who increasingly diverge in their views of the
- 35:20Israeli government, in some cases, Israel itself, as well as
- 35:25which side of the political divide best represents their values
- 35:29and interests. Anti Semitism is real, and it requires robust,
- 35:35constructive solutions, said Amy Spittelnik, CEO of the Jewish Council.
- 35:42Speaker 2: Of Public Affairs.
- 35:43Speaker 1: What's happening now, though, is exploiting the Jewish communities legitimate
- 35:47and real concerns about anti Semitism to undermine the rule
- 35:51of law, new process, educational institutions, and our democracy. Morton Klein,
- 36:00national president of the Zionist Organization of America, a conservative group, disagreed,
- 36:06saying Trump is enforcing federal anti discrimination law as presidents
- 36:11before him should have done. We are deeply grateful to
- 36:16President Trump, Klein said, I assure you these groups that
- 36:19opposed Trump here, if those demonstrators were condemning blacks and
- 36:24calling them horrific names, are calling Muslims or gay people
- 36:27terrible names, those same people would say we have to
- 36:31protect the lives of targeted minorities and would be supporting
- 36:35Trump's work, he said. The turmoil began on October seventh,
- 36:41twenty twenty three, when Hamas militants surged across the guys
- 36:46of border and murdered about twelve hundred people, taking an
- 36:50additional two hundred and fifty one hostage. Israel responded with
- 36:55a punishing military offensive that has killed more than fifty
- 36:58thousand Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and prompted major protests in.
- 37:03Speaker 2: The United States.
- 37:05Speaker 1: Anti Semitic acts surged in the US as well, and
- 37:09the White House said Trump is responding appropriately to that.
- 37:13If combating anti Semitism is controversial to President Trump's critics,
- 37:20their derangement has reached new lows, said the White House
- 37:25spokesman Harrison Fields. No leader has been a stronger ally
- 37:30to the Jewish people than President Trump. His administration is
- 37:34fully committed to enforcing law and order, protecting civil rights,
- 37:39and ensuring pro Hamas radicals face the full weight of
- 37:42the law in our unwavering fight against anti Semitism. The
- 37:48Trump Harvard dispute has received much of the attention, but
- 37:52the broader battle shows no signs of slowing. The administration
- 37:57is targeted of the universities from Princeton to Northwestern the
- 38:01same way, and is continuing its crackdown on immigrants suspected
- 38:06of anti Semitic statements. While Trump and his adversaries fighted
- 38:12out on the national level, a quieter debate is playing
- 38:15out in half a dozen conservative states, where bills against
- 38:19anti Semitism have been offered in recent months. This state
- 38:24level push has been underway for years, but it accelerated
- 38:29after the October seventh attacks and has been turbocharged by
- 38:33Trump's presidency, said Jeremy ben Ami, president of J Street,
- 38:38a liberal pro Israeli group. In Missouri, Republican state Representative
- 38:46George Jrusa has sponsored a measure requiring public schools and
- 38:50universities to adopt policies against anti Semitism. The issue is
- 38:56personal for Rusa, whose mother survived the Holocaust and who
- 39:01had two grandparents killed at Auschwitz. When I grew up
- 39:06in Czechoslovakia, my mother suppressed our Jewish heritage. She continued
- 39:11suffering from nightmares of being in a concentration camp. Erusa
- 39:16said those nightmares stopped. She moved to the US because
- 39:20it had so little anti semitism, he said, and his
- 39:23bill is intended to help keep it that way. A
- 39:27flash point, as so often these days, and especially since
- 39:31October seventh, is the question of when criticism of Israel
- 39:36becomes anti semitism. Jerusa's bill adopts the definition of anti
- 39:41semitism that includes such examples as applying double standards to
- 39:46Israel or calling it racist. Missouri State Representative Elizabeth Fuchs,
- 39:51a Democrat, said such language risk chilling free speech and
- 39:56punishing legitimate criticism of Israel. It changed is how college
- 40:01campuses are interpreting speech.
- 40:03Speaker 2: Fuchs said.
- 40:04Speaker 1: It shifts and changes the definition of anti semitism, conflating
- 40:09the real concerns about anti Semitism with conversation about the
- 40:14war and what has been happening in Palestine. After the
- 40:18October seventh massacre, Roses bill passed the GOP dominated Missouri
- 40:24House one hundred and eight to ten. The vote was bipartisan,
- 40:29but most of the opposition came from Democrats. It now
- 40:33moves to the state Senate. Rusa said he is a
- 40:37big proponent of free speech and that his bill is
- 40:39designed to distinguish between rhetoric at least at a rally,
- 40:43and assaults aimed at an individual. When it's Jewish students
- 40:48get attacked verbally or physically because they are Jewish. That
- 40:54is what we're driving at, he said, it's telling a
- 40:57Jewish student you should go back to Poland. The definition
- 41:03of anti Semitism in Rusa's bill, originally crafted in twenty
- 41:07sixteen by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, is widely used
- 41:12and increasingly controversial. Israel can be criticized like any other
- 41:18country its is, but targeting it as a Jewish collectively
- 41:23is anti submitic. The definition proves examples of language that
- 41:27crosses the line, such as comparing Israel to the Nazis
- 41:31or blaming all Jews for Israel's actions. Those examples are
- 41:36being incorporated into many of the new state laws. Kenneth Stern,
- 41:41the lead drafter of the IHRIA definition, strongly opposes codifying
- 41:47the examples in this way, saying they were intended only
- 41:51as guidance and that enshrining them in law violates the
- 41:55First Amendment by penalizing opinions on Israel. I think it's
- 42:00bad policy, and as a lawyer, I think it's an
- 42:04unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination, sirn said. He added, I am a
- 42:09Zionist and Israel is important to me, but there are
- 42:13young Jews whose Judaism leads them to a different point
- 42:16of view. The IHR definition has many defenders who say
- 42:22it pierces the armor of bigots who have taken to
- 42:25attacking Israel as an acceptable way to go after Jews.
- 42:31Criticizing Israel legitimately is not anti Semitism under its definition.
- 42:36Za's client said, but if you start comparing Israel to
- 42:42Nazis and saying they are penetrating genocide and perpetuating it
- 42:47in massacres, then you are crossing the line into anti semitism.
- 42:52Congress has not written THEHR definition into US law, despite
- 42:57repeated proposals to do so, but Trump signed an executive
- 43:02order in twenty nineteen during his first term, ordering government
- 43:05agencies to consider adopting it. Seven states have recently considered
- 43:11or adopted measures like Missouris, all of them with conservative
- 43:15and Republican dominated legislatures, though some have democratic governors. The
- 43:20dissenters are usually Democrats, but the bills tend to have
- 43:24bipartisan support. A group called the Combat Anti Semitism Movement
- 43:30has been encouraging state legislatures to pass anti semitism bills,
- 43:35working with legislators testifying the bill's favor, touting them on
- 43:39its website.
- 43:40Speaker 2: KAM was founded in.
- 43:41Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, and its advisory board is chaired by Natan Sharansky,
- 43:46a former Soviet Refusenik and hardline Israeli politician. Sacho Reichmann,
- 43:53kam's chief executive said anti Jewish acts must be countered
- 43:57at every level of government. The threat is real, it
- 44:01is happening, It is happening every day, and it's happening
- 44:04in schools and synagogues. He said, every level of society
- 44:08has its responsibility. Rosa, the Missouri legislator, said he tweaked
- 44:13the bill's language to stress that it was not aimed
- 44:17at squelching free expression. We wanted to make sure it
- 44:21was about behavior and make sure people understood that in
- 44:24no way did we want to interfere with free speech,
- 44:27rus said ben Ami. The j Street presidents concerned about
- 44:31the free speech ramifications of many of the proposals. There
- 44:36is a troubling, very troubling pattern to codify and a
- 44:39state law and local law, as well as an attempt
- 44:41at the federal level the definition of anti semitism that
- 44:44includes criticism of Israeli government actions and policies that would
- 44:49have the effect of not simply chilling speech, but criminalizing it.
- 44:53Minami said the bill's opponents are not solely level Democrats.
- 44:58In Oklahoma, Senative state Senator Dusty Devers, a Christian pastor,
- 45:04objected that the examples of anti Semitism cited in his
- 45:08state's legislation include asserting that Jews killed Jesus. The Jews
- 45:15of the time did play a role in Jesus's death.
- 45:17Divers asserted citing scriptures, and he said pastors should be
- 45:22able to say so while discouraging anti Semitism is a
- 45:26worthy cause. The definition would instruct state entities to treat
- 45:30as bigoted the historical facts and biblical teachings surrounding the
- 45:35death of Jesus.
- 45:36Speaker 2: Devers said in the floor speech.
- 45:39Speaker 1: To Fuchs, Missouri legislator, the state debates are part of
- 45:43a pattern unfolding on the national level, broad or reckless
- 45:47attacks on anti Semitism that target legitimate criticism of Israel.
- 45:52There is a connection between what is happening at the
- 45:55federal level with Trump's executive orders and what's happening here
- 45:58in Missouri. Fuchs said, you want to see what's happening
- 46:02in the new your state, We're going to show you first.
- 46:06Many Jewish groups are struggling to find the right message
- 46:08for the movement. Julie Raymond, Managing director of Policy and
- 46:13political Affairs at the American Jewish Committee, said Trump deserves
- 46:17credit for spotlighting anti Semitism, but the AJAC also criticized
- 46:23the broad, sweeping, and devastating cuts universities are facing as
- 46:27a result of his actions. Republicans and Democrats, Raymond said,
- 46:33are each quick to see anti Semitism in their opponents,
- 46:38but slow to see it and their supporters. Ideally, she
- 46:41said the administration can find a way to target not
- 46:44just the left anti Zionist anti semitism that has become
- 46:49this new dangerous reality, but also recognized the dangers of
- 46:53neo Nazi fascist anti semitism. Trump has a Jewish son
- 46:58in law, Jared Kushner, and his daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism,
- 47:04but critics say he has a history of anti Semitic
- 47:07comments associations that cast doubt on the sincerity of his
- 47:12anti semitism campaign. In September, Trump told the gathering of
- 47:17Conservative Jews, if I don't win this election, the Jewish
- 47:21people would have a lot to do with the loss.
- 47:24In twenty seventeen, he said there were very fine people
- 47:27on both sides of a Virginia rally that included an
- 47:30anti Semitic chance. In November of twenty twenty two, Trump
- 47:34had dinner with Rapper Yee formerly known as Kanye West,
- 47:39who has made anti Jewish remarks, and Nick Fuentes, an
- 47:44anti semit and white nationalist. Trump later said he did
- 47:49not know Fuente's background. Ed Martin Trump's interim us attorney
- 47:54in the District of Columbia has praised a Nazi sympaviser.
- 47:59I take no comfort and their so called concerned about
- 48:02anti Semitism, said Wesleyan University President Michael Roth. I find
- 48:07it shocking that so many of my co religionists are
- 48:11happy to see enemies of Israel punished, even if the
- 48:15ways they're punished are extra legal. For the Trump allies,
- 48:19many of whom are vicious, proud anti Semites, this sudden
- 48:24Judeophilia will be short lived. Representative Jerry Nadler, Democrat of
- 48:30New York, agreed that schools such as Columbia University may
- 48:34have seen anti semitism on campus as the gas of
- 48:37war has unfolded, but he said slashing their research funds
- 48:42makes little sense. As a response. Let's assume there is
- 48:47anti semitism. How does taking hundreds of millions of dollars
- 48:51from medical research help that, Nadler said, because there is
- 48:55anti semitism at Columbia, we're going to say more people
- 48:59should die of camp answer, more people should get Alzheimer's.
- 49:03Muslim and Arab leaders too, say they're deeply concerned about
- 49:08Trump's campaign, while as Alazat, CEO of Emerge, a group
- 49:14that mobilizes Muslim voters, said the President is falsely equating
- 49:18support for Palestinians with anti Semitism. It's protected by First
- 49:24Amendment and it's not anti semitism. At said, we strongly
- 49:29stand against the anti semitism in all forms of hate,
- 49:32but this is not doing the Jewish community any favors.
- 49:36It is miscueuing and misusing a very important fight to
- 49:40achieve other objectives. Nihada Whi, executive director of the Council
- 49:46of American Islamic Relations, added that it doesn't take a
- 49:49genius to see that anti Semitism is a real problem,
- 49:53but that Trump is using it as a pretext to
- 49:56target Muslims. You cannot use bigotry to fight bigotry, a
- 50:00Wide said, the tactic of using Islamophobia to fight anti
- 50:04Semitism as a non starter. Anti Semitism and Islamophobia are
- 50:09two faces of the same coin. In my view, the
- 50:13US Jewish community has rarely faced the level of internal
- 50:18turmoil it is now confronting. Even before the October seventh attacks,
- 50:23American Jews were increasingly divided over Israel. As Prime Minister
- 50:27Benjamin Netanyahu preserved pursued hard right policies that fitted many
- 50:32Jews traditional liberalism against their attachment to the world's only
- 50:37Jewish state. That tension escalated after the Hermas murderous attacks
- 50:43in Israel's fierce response, as some younger Jews cited openly
- 50:47with Palestinian activists. Trump's victory added more fuel as he
- 50:52proclaimed his determination to protect the Jewish community that supported
- 50:56his opponent, Vice President Harris seventy eight percent twenty two.
- 51:01It put Jews in a very difficult position, said Jeff Sovereign,
- 51:05whose father Michael Sovereign, was Columbia's first Jewish president in
- 51:09the nineteen eighties.
- 51:11Speaker 2: It's divisive among Jews.
- 51:13Speaker 1: It also makes it somewhat harder to defend action against
- 51:15anti Semitism when your troubled by what is being done
- 51:19to attack anti Semitism. Some liberals, including Jay Streets Ben Amy,
- 51:25contend that leading Jewish groups have been too slow to
- 51:28condemned Trump's repressive actions taken in their name. There have
- 51:32been a few voices and an occasional murmur, but like
- 51:37too many other segments of our society, like corporate America
- 51:40and media companies or law firms, in some cases university presidents.
- 51:45Too many people bending at the knee rather than standing
- 51:49up and fighting back, than Amy said. On April first,
- 51:53Washington Post columnist met By took aim at the Anti
- 51:56Defamation League, a leading group combating anti Senmatism, and its
- 52:00leader Jonathan Greenblatt, for remaining silent during the Trump administration's
- 52:05thuggish roundup of pro Palestinian activists. Two days later, green
- 52:10Blatt wrote a piece denouncing the mid administration's practice, as
- 52:14part of its anti Semitism campaign, of targeting foreign nationals
- 52:18without due process. It was shocking to see the images
- 52:21of plain clothes officers stealing people off the streets, an
- 52:25active rendition that seemed straight out of a movie, he wrote.
- 52:29Green BLAT's police appeared in an opinion column on the
- 52:32e Jewish Philanthropy website rather than as an official statement
- 52:37of the ADL. Efforts to reach green Blat through the
- 52:41ADL were unsuccessful. A growing number of Jewish organizations are
- 52:45now public opposing Trump's tactics taken in the name of
- 52:49protecting their rights. On April fifteenth, a coalition of ten
- 52:53organizations representing three of Judaism's for denominations, issued a statement
- 53:00saying that while anti Semitism is an urgent problem, these
- 53:04actions do not make Jews or any community safer. Rather,
- 53:09they only make us less safe. Any other groups say
- 53:14Trump's focus on anti Semitism is long overdue. In the
- 53:18Biden administration, second Gentleman Doug M. Hoff spirated a campaign
- 53:24against anti Jewish discrimination, but Trump has made a bigger
- 53:28made it a bigger part of his presidency. It is
- 53:31fair to say this is a three thousand year old
- 53:34problem and we don't.
- 53:36Speaker 2: Know what the solutions are.
- 53:37Speaker 1: Raymond said, it's easy to identify something as not a
- 53:41silver bullet, but until we find whatever the silver bullet is,
- 53:46we have to keep trying. And finally, today, Africa was
- 53:51vital to Francis's papacy and will shape the church's future.
- 53:57Both Frances ministered to the poor in Kenya, and he
- 54:00kissed the feet of South Sudan's feuding rulers and a
- 54:02flea for peace. He urged Christians and Muslims to reconcile
- 54:07in the Central African Republic and condemn the exploitation of
- 54:11natural resources and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and he
- 54:15elevated African church leaders who will help choose his successor
- 54:20shape the future of the church. During Francis' twelve year papacy,
- 54:25the number of African Catholics jumped from about one hundred
- 54:28and seventy six million to two hundred and eighty one million,
- 54:32according to Vatican statistics, even his church attended stagnated or
- 54:37declined in other parts of the world. Today, one in
- 54:42five of the world's Catholics live on the continent. Africa
- 54:46is now the hope of the Church. The seat of
- 54:49faith is sprouting here, far more than in the western world,
- 54:52said Stephen Aidou, a parish priest in northwest Nigeria. We
- 54:57used to have white Western missionaries coming here to teach
- 54:59us about religion. Now Africans are going to evangelize the world.
- 55:06Congo has the highest number of baptized Catholics globally and
- 55:10nearly fifty five million, followed by Nigeria with thirty five million.
- 55:14Africa and Asia are the only regions where the number
- 55:18of priests is increasing the Vatican, says Johnstone Kippelaka, a
- 55:24twenty five year old writer and practicing Catholic in the
- 55:26Nigerian city of Jos, say that young Africans are already
- 55:30actively shaping the future of the church, sometimes in unexpected ways.
- 55:36He said. Hundreds of Nigerians gathered daily on x to
- 55:40pray the Rosary together. Totholicism and Nigeria, he said, is
- 55:44characterized by its intensity. A Georgetown University study found ninety
- 55:49four percent of the country's Catholics attend Mass at least
- 55:52once a week. This is the direction the church is headed,
- 55:56Kippelaka said, a one way relationship for Apple receives, but
- 56:01a reciprocal one where Africa contributes spiritually, intellectually and prophetically.
- 56:08In a reflection of the church's demographic shifts, Francis nominated
- 56:12a historically diverse pool of cardinals. Eighteen of the one
- 56:16hundred and thirty five eligible vote in the upcoming conclave
- 56:19are from Africa, prompting speculation there could be an African
- 56:25pontiff for the first time in modern history. No matter
- 56:29who is selected, this region will be pivotal in determining
- 56:33the direction of the faith. The church here tends to
- 56:36be substantially more conservative than other parts of the world,
- 56:40and leaders from the continent clashed to openly with France's
- 56:43in recent years, particularly after he had issued guidance in
- 56:47late twenty twenty three that priests could offer blessings to
- 56:51same sex couples. Regional cathol leaders released to public letters
- 56:56saying there would be no blessings for same sex couples
- 56:59in Africa's church is because such unions are contrary to
- 57:02the will of God and intrinsically disordered. The letter was
- 57:07a spearhead by Cardinal Friederland Ambungo. Vesungu was the Archbishop
- 57:12of Kinshasa, the capital of the Democratic Republic of the Congo,
- 57:16among those who could possibly succeed Francis. And this concludes
- 57:22the reading of the Washington Post for today, Monday, April
- 57:25twenty eight. Your reader for today has been Rod Brotherton.
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