Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #342 - For Azeroth!: "Midnight at gamescom"
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- 0:00I am just really sad that we're only going to play four of these
- 0:05in the first season and then not see them again.
- 0:08Like think about a dungeon like Stone Vault.
- 0:11Stone Vault was great. We saw it in season 1 and now
- 0:14it's gone. And if you didn't get the
- 0:15Mountain Season 1, you have to wait until midnight.
- 0:18For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria.
- 0:27For calendar. To the burning region.
- 0:31For Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich King.
- 0:37For the. Sindora for the Alliance, for
- 0:41the Horde, For Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
- 0:47another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny.
- 0:51I am joined by Lex and Sean, and I've got to ask you guys,
- 0:55starting with you, Lex, what in the world did you think of the
- 0:58Midnight Cinematic? I thought it was really cool and
- 1:02exciting. I was extremely confused about
- 1:05it until my guildies explained it to me, so thank you.
- 1:08Shout out to them for knowing more.
- 1:10But I like the like good vibes. Right?
- 1:13Big void Walker or void? Yeah, void Walker.
- 1:16That little guy. I think he's not a void Walker
- 1:18because he's not currently being owned by a warlock.
- 1:21He was cool. That was sick.
- 1:24OK, All right, yeah, those like void minions are definitely are
- 1:31definitely something new. Like they I have originally
- 1:34said, oh, they're like fragments of dementias because they've got
- 1:37like they're kind of like simplified dementias armor and
- 1:41they've got the like glowing hole in the in the chest.
- 1:45But like we'll eventually get their their name.
- 1:47But they are definitely pawns of Zalatath.
- 1:52And so you're right. Yeah, it was a thrilling trailer
- 1:54in my, my opinion. But Sean, how did the trailer go
- 1:59for you? What are your first impressions
- 2:01of the Midnight trailer? I teared up when I saw Leadron
- 2:05and then I bawled when that hand came out of the light and
- 2:08touched her shoulder. So my first impressions are I
- 2:13can't wait. I love the blood elves I first
- 2:15swapped to. Like I really I played in
- 2:18vanilla but I didn't really fall in love with Warcraft until the
- 2:21Burning Crusade when I became a blood off ballad.
- 2:24And I love silver Moon, I think it's a great city.
- 2:27I can't wait to go back. Everything about it just, it
- 2:30just filled me with so much hope and then I question why hope
- 2:33makes me cry. You know, like we had this other
- 2:39show that Alexa used to do, which was more about Wellness
- 2:43and in gaming, but that isn't this show.
- 2:46So I got to ask you, whose hand do you think that was?
- 2:50That's a great question. That's the question on
- 2:52everybody's mind right now. So if it has to be, I have two
- 2:58answers. Answer one, it's just generic
- 3:02random paladin from the players, and that's what the Light center
- 3:06was, was paladins from all across Azeroth to help.
- 3:11And then option 2, which I think would be the best, is it's the
- 3:18Arathi coming through and it's somebody that we haven't met
- 3:22yet, maybe the Emperor, maybe you know, somebody, somebody
- 3:26from the Arathi line, but not from the Halo fall Arathi, but
- 3:29somebody from like Aerithor across the ocean and the light
- 3:33descending them to fight and rental ash.
- 3:36OK, I mean that that is that is a guest that I had not heard
- 3:41before actually. Oh really?
- 3:43They literally show an Arathi ballot in in one of the shorts.
- 3:48Nobody has thought that yet. No, I, I mean, I've seen like I
- 3:54have seen images of the concept artwork and I didn't think Arafi
- 4:00and it's but that it's like the artwork that's in the fast
- 4:03discord. Is that an Arafi paladin?
- 4:06Is that what that is? No, but that that's not
- 4:08specifically, but the music is the same music from Halo Fall
- 4:12and it's the I'm pretty sure. And it's like there's one of the
- 4:17shorts where there's show like one of those shorts that
- 4:19released afterwards, the YouTube shorts when they're cutting
- 4:22through and showing different paladins and when one of them
- 4:24front and center is a Colterian woman, which is the the bottle,
- 4:28the body model for Arathi. And they're they are already
- 4:31paladins. So yeah, I just assumed that it
- 4:33was going to be the Arathi coming.
- 4:35Is that really not something that everybody is saying they
- 4:38think it's? Honestly, this is the first time
- 4:41I've I've heard it. I'll take credit then.
- 4:47Lex, what's your guess then? Are you with Sean on his theory?
- 4:51Oh I am not good at like that sort of lore identification.
- 4:54Like I said, I did need my guildies to explain why this
- 4:57like clip was meaningful other than the fact that it looked
- 5:01cool and had like clear deep emotions.
- 5:04So I've definitely heard the Arafi the most.
- 5:06Sorry Manny, you can be part of my lore conversations if you
- 5:09want, but I I thought I fully thought Anaru was going to come
- 5:14out of that soul. Well so or Sun.
- 5:18Well, this is This is why I don't make more predictions.
- 5:22Yeah, no worries, no worries. So wait, there's there's so many
- 5:24wells that we're going to be talking about as we go through
- 5:26this. My thought originally was like,
- 5:30oh, it's like the army, the Army of the Light.
- 5:35Actually, originally I was like, Oh, is it like Anduin and it and
- 5:39him bringing back up, you don't really get to see like the
- 5:42colors and such. So it's like, Oh, maybe it's
- 5:44like a bunch of storm and nights and be like, Hey, we're standing
- 5:46together and like hoarded lion sitting side by side in this
- 5:49moment of need. Then I saw like the concept art
- 5:54that was thrown in the fast escort.
- 5:56I mean, I should say bit dot LY slash fast discord if you want
- 5:59to join those conversations. And so my thought was like, Oh,
- 6:05maybe it's like Terrellian creating a like kids, like the
- 6:11army of the light that came from Argus was put underneath to
- 6:14rally in and therefore underneath Stormwind.
- 6:17Right. And if they do like army of the
- 6:19light paladins that are that are under Trallian control, that
- 6:25would make a lot of sense. He was in he was in Queldonas
- 6:30for the short story before the head of the war within.
- 6:35He was in, he showed up for a little bit, but everybody shows
- 6:42up for a little bit, so that means nothing.
- 6:43And so the other thing is like, later on, we're going to find
- 6:49out something that points to him being a major character in
- 6:52Midnight. And so my, my theory, my
- 6:57standing theory right now is Army of the Light, Taralian
- 7:00hasn't been coasting during this time of peace.
- 7:03He's being militarizing and he and now he's his army's coming
- 7:07to save the day, as it were. There not have been drain iron
- 7:11in the mix, then they should have the army of the light and
- 7:14because that what they showed was all humans, which is why I I
- 7:18I led to air throw because they're very specifically not
- 7:23xenophobic, but one they're like there are.
- 7:25They're just humans. They are xenophobic.
- 7:28And a little bit xenophobic. They are xenophobic.
- 7:30They they're, they're right there with the Red Dawn and the
- 7:34like. Hey, listen, if it didn't, it
- 7:36didn't come from our neck of the world.
- 7:38So we don't like it. Mine.
- 7:40I will say my initial thought was Stormwind just because it
- 7:43was all humans, or at least the only things we saw were human
- 7:48Stormwind desk models. So that leads us to like, again,
- 7:55if you're wondering what in the what in the world are they
- 7:57talking about? What happened, Definitely check
- 8:00out the the show notes. We've got the link to that
- 8:04trailer. It was very emotional.
- 8:07There was like a crisis of faith and everything in there really,
- 8:11really gets you going, but also comes out of it's like
- 8:14definitely in the middle of events that we have not got to
- 8:19yet. And so clearly there's going to
- 8:23be a lot that leads up to what we're going to see in that
- 8:28cinematic. And rather than try and guess
- 8:32that that we've got a lot of information to go through.
- 8:34So let's get right to it. In midnight we are going to be
- 8:42in Queldonas around Silver Moon City.
- 8:45This is a fully rebuilt reimagination from reimagining
- 8:49from the ground up of the the zone.
- 8:53So it is going to be not one for one, not a remaster, not like
- 8:57just HD graphics. They have like pretty much
- 9:00expanded the area. The city of Silver Moon is going
- 9:04to be the like central hub, which means there's going to be
- 9:08both Horde and Alliance in there, but they are going to
- 9:14remember that it is a Horde city and have some Horde only areas
- 9:18so. Here's a question for you guys.
- 9:22Do you think that they're going to do the Drain Eye and Last
- 9:25Titan or do you think they're just going to say screw you
- 9:27guys, Burning Crusade? If you wanted to be relevant,
- 9:29you should have been relevant and only do Silver Moon.
- 9:33I I think they do Azure mistyle this patch.
- 9:37It'll happen in midnight. Probably the .5.
- 9:41Something like that. There's no way they overdo 1 and
- 9:44not the other. I'm I've flat out, I think
- 9:48they've, they've said screw it. We're not, we don't care about
- 9:51like trying to make everything even.
- 9:53We're just going to do the story and do the things that we we
- 9:57need to. And like, if you miss out this
- 9:59time, you miss out this this time, which I'm going to get
- 10:02back to you because I think there's a number of things along
- 10:05that line. But what we're seeing is that
- 10:11this entire area has like recovered from the scourge
- 10:16attack that had originally gone after the sun.
- 10:19Well, so they've made everything all pretty and nice again, only
- 10:22to get hit by the void and xylitaph.
- 10:24So man, poor, poor guys. Just when we get that HD remake,
- 10:29they're under assault again, which means that the Eversong
- 10:32Woods are going to be back in as the first zone that we'll it
- 10:37will be in again. That is with this entire rebuilt
- 10:42redone thing. The Ghostlands have recovered
- 10:45from from being all scourgy and they're in a much better
- 10:48position. All of that is now like
- 10:52remastered, and I'm looking forward to that.
- 10:54From there, there are two additional zones that we'll be
- 10:59able to go to. Zola Mountain, previously just a
- 11:03just a small little neck of the woods, has been expanded into
- 11:07its own full-fledged zone and built out.
- 11:11So you're going to see a lot of troll grandeur there, including
- 11:17the Loa of War and a bunch of new Loa.
- 11:20I love that. And then on the other side, the
- 11:26other zone that you can go to 2nd is Harandar.
- 11:31This we know of previously as the root lands.
- 11:36And so there you're going to of course, come across the Harnier
- 11:41and that zone looks kind of like, oh, man, I'm going to say
- 11:50something similar to Dressvar where like all the things are
- 11:57like wrapped up in trees. But this is like a step further,
- 12:01kind of like, oh man, what was the, I think Arden wield?
- 12:07Sorry, Arden wield is what I was thinking of, where everything is
- 12:11naturally in to the zone. This is nothing is constructed,
- 12:16everything is grown or through like a kind of biomancy thing,
- 12:21which is so cool. Go ahead, Lex.
- 12:22I say this with so much love. I'm looking at these screenshots
- 12:25right now. The word you're looking for is
- 12:28Zynga Marsh. It looks like Zynga.
- 12:30Marsh. Zynga Marsh, I will say, and I
- 12:33love Zynga. So I'm like literally, this is
- 12:35on record my favorite zone, so I'm over the moon.
- 12:38But I was looking at it. I was like, well, I'm reading
- 12:39the description and I really would expect it to look more
- 12:41like Zynga Marsh. And I'm looking at it and it's
- 12:43Zynga Marsh. I I would say like they have
- 12:46this like Brontosaurus that it's like got a mushroom thing and
- 12:51that's, that's Zangamarsh, right They.
- 12:53Have mushroom cities, Manny. They have they have some fungi
- 12:59cities and stuff, but like Zangamarsh may maybe it's just
- 13:03too low res and that's why I don't put put it the same.
- 13:06But they've got those roots that are going through and like grow
- 13:09in, grow up into everything and. Maybe I'm literally tripping
- 13:13out. I'm looking at these photos and
- 13:15I think they might have actually copy pasted some zengemarsh.
- 13:18Images like. I'm not even kidding.
- 13:21All right, all right, let's just go in with Zengemarsh.
- 13:23I, I, I can see where you're coming from.
- 13:26I don't think it's a it's a one for one, but you're OK.
- 13:31And then from from what? Let's consider Zengemarsh 6
- 13:36point O. We have the void Storm, and the
- 13:41void storm is like basically Koresh but like a lot more
- 13:49jagged edges on the buildings. You've got the same mana forges
- 13:55that they had in Koresh being repeated there.
- 13:57You've got some things that kind of look like if the void met the
- 14:03cult of Twilight, where it is just twisted metal and jagged
- 14:08edges there. It looks really cool.
- 14:10And that's going to be the final zone of the of the story.
- 14:14So if you go through you can you start off course in ever song.
- 14:18You pick between Zolomon and Karndar, and then once you've
- 14:21completed those two, then you move on to the Void Storm.
- 14:26So Lex, are we, are we going with Hondar as your favorite?
- 14:30Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- 14:31First of all, again, I've always loved Zynga and I just knew that
- 14:34I wasn't supposed to love Zynga. I, I don't remember why to know
- 14:37that everyone tells me I'm not supposed to love Zynga, but I
- 14:38love Zynga. And so the fact that I get to go
- 14:40back to Zynga Marsh, but this time I get to fly easily, like I
- 14:43don't have to like do any the thing and spend $1,000,000 like
- 14:47I did when I was in Burning Crusade.
- 14:49And I, Oh my God, I'm so excited.
- 14:51I'm so excited. I love Vega.
- 14:53This is going to be my favorite expansion.
- 14:54I'm so hype. OK.
- 14:56All right, Sean, what's your favorite zone out of these from
- 15:00those just like the first impressions here?
- 15:02I didn't see any pictures of these.
- 15:04I don't know where you guys saw pictures of these zones.
- 15:08OK, well Lex is going to share, share with you.
- 15:12There was a bunch of pictures that were in the press kit and
- 15:17such. I just went to Blizzard's press
- 15:19kit and there's nothing there for midnight.
- 15:23What? No, no, it's there.
- 15:24It's there. OK, well while I'm going to
- 15:29Passover link to Sean so that he can get some pictures, I do want
- 15:36to talk about the prey system. And Lex, would you be willing to
- 15:40talk about prey? Oh, you bet.
- 15:44I'd be willing to talk about Prey.
- 15:45So some of you may recall that in a few episodes back, this
- 15:49might have been significantly many episodes back we were
- 15:51talking about wouldn't it be great if there was more
- 15:53challenging open world things? And I think somebody, not me,
- 15:56was like, they're never going to do more challenging open world
- 15:58things. That's so silly.
- 16:00But they're doing more challenging open world things.
- 16:02So essentially how it goes is you go chat with a guy forgot
- 16:06his name. I think he's important, but I
- 16:08needed my guildies to explain the cinematic to me so we know
- 16:10I'm not going to remember his name.
- 16:11You say, I think like what zone you're in and you turn on the
- 16:15price system for that zone. And then you go into that zone
- 16:17and you do things and you do like you're usually engaging in
- 16:19your normal life. And while you're engaging in
- 16:21your normal life, you get what the Dungeons and Dragons folks
- 16:24will know as random encounters where suddenly things pop up and
- 16:27you're getting attacked and you have to fight them.
- 16:28And there's going to be increasing.
- 16:31I think there's three, like I don't.
- 16:33Oh gosh, either three people come out and then the big, I
- 16:36think it's 3 encounters and the last one's big boss.
- 16:40I should have written this down but I didn't.
- 16:41It's OK. And so basically you go in, you
- 16:44kill all these encounters and you kill the big boss.
- 16:46You can do them at 3 difficulties, you can do them at
- 16:48normal, hard or nightmare. And so, and this is all opt in
- 16:53by the way. So it's not like you're going to
- 16:54have to worry about just randomly questing and not
- 16:55wanting to do the open world prey system and all of a sudden
- 16:59somebody's whacking on you. Don't worry about that unless
- 17:00you're in PvP, then you do have to worry about that.
- 17:03But from this you can get cosmetics, you can get mounts,
- 17:07you can get titles and you can get housing items.
- 17:08So unfortunately you are not getting gear, but that's OK.
- 17:12You get cute little, cute little things and you get to kill a big
- 17:14boss. And in the Nightmare, the higher
- 17:16level difficulties, the final boss is much harder.
- 17:18I think there was saying in the Nightmare difficulty you
- 17:20actually get like tied in basically and you have to fight
- 17:23him in a very small zone. It's very exciting.
- 17:25So, so we're hype. I'm hype.
- 17:27Are you guys hype? I am honestly, this feels like
- 17:32when you're halfway through a delve and the Nemesis pops up
- 17:35just like expanded the pawn and put into the outside world like
- 17:40that. That's how I see this.
- 17:41And I'm sort of like, huh, I guess they really like delves.
- 17:43So they're like, you know what? Why don't we have delves outside
- 17:46of Delves? And I'm like, OK, all right, I'm
- 17:49glad that this is the outside world.
- 17:51I would hate if I like picked up a prey nemesis thing and then I
- 17:55was in a mythic plus and so I get kanked by my nemesis.
- 17:59That would that would be that was like my nightmare.
- 18:01And then I'm like, I better just double check this.
- 18:03Like, OK, good. It's in a particular zone.
- 18:05It's an outside world system. This is cool.
- 18:07Worst case scenario, I'm half paying attention, doing some
- 18:10fishing and suddenly I get kanked by my by my nemesis.
- 18:15But all I would do is just be like I'm going to fish somewhere
- 18:19else. While I am dealing with this,
- 18:22this prey system, the the difficulties, the normal hard
- 18:29and nightmare difficulties, I think is great to allow players
- 18:33to engage with it at their own comfort.
- 18:38Again, you're right. This is something that you've
- 18:41been demanding saying like we need harder open world content.
- 18:45So I'm glad for that. I dislike, I dislike that it is
- 18:53random for some. Like it's just like, oh, I'm
- 18:57doing something and it comes out randomly because one, it kind of
- 19:05reminds me of the mall where it's like, OK, we're just adding
- 19:08this like additional affix where suddenly things happen.
- 19:11And two, I would have liked to just be like opt in and I'm
- 19:17going to do this. I would hate if if there's a
- 19:20player out there that's like, oh, I'm going to do I'm going to
- 19:26do a nemesis and then Oh no, my kids calling me or real life is
- 19:30pulling me away. They come back, they forget
- 19:32they've activated this nemesis and then bam.
- 19:36Oh, no, this is not what I opt into.
- 19:38Like maybe there's a way where you're like, OK, let me just
- 19:40resend the contract and nemesis is like, oh, cool, all right,
- 19:43we're we're we're not enemies again.
- 19:45I'll leave you alone, bro. But it just seems like A at
- 19:50least at the very least there should be a reminder when you
- 19:52log in where it's like you have a nemesis active going or sorry
- 19:57pre active. This is going to be like a thing
- 19:59that takes a long time to get through because I was expecting
- 20:02that it would be pretty quick. Like I, I would anticipate it's
- 20:07like. I don't, I don't know, it's
- 20:11multiple times before you deal with the last one.
- 20:14I and like as quick as it may or may not be, I, I could just
- 20:18anticipate somebody who doesn't have the play session that they
- 20:22thought they did gets it, gets interrupted, forgets about it,
- 20:27and then gets that unpleasant surprise.
- 20:29So like in my in my mind, I always want to be able to opt
- 20:33into it. Epidemi, who is a great source
- 20:37of quotes, says that the Diablo Torment system is a great
- 20:42example where you can set those wool tears.
- 20:45They're experimenting with that in the Legion remix, and so
- 20:52maybe that's something that that might come in as well, who
- 20:55knows? I should.
- 20:56I do also want to pause really quickly and say while we were
- 20:59talking I was doing some digging.
- 21:01I do not know where I got the number 3 encounters before the
- 21:04boss. I pulled that entirely out of my
- 21:06butt. Everything is saying that it's
- 21:09just multiple ambushes, so don't quote me on that.
- 21:12That was insane. You'll be cool first thing
- 21:14though if you feel very smart. Three seems like a nice round
- 21:18Number. It could be three.
- 21:19Maybe it increases or with difficulty as well, who knows.
- 21:23That will also depend on whether it's what I'm thinking where
- 21:26it's like, you know, 30 minutes Max.
- 21:29You pick a zone, you go like mostly you're like questing, but
- 21:33you you really going there just to get your ambushes done so you
- 21:35can get to the final boss. Or if it's more of a like, you
- 21:38pick a prey a a week and every time you're in there, for all
- 21:43you know you're going to get ambushed.
- 21:44Which when I say it out loud, sounds significantly cooler.
- 21:48Yeah, depends on how quickly you can cycle through it.
- 21:51Like I, I definitely think that I agree with you being able to
- 21:55pick it for the week and then it's like over the course of
- 21:57like the week I will come across across these encounters and do,
- 22:00it seems to me a cooler system than I pick it, spend 20 minutes
- 22:06in a zone to like go hunt this thing down.
- 22:08That to me just seems like a really zone wide world quest in
- 22:12my mind. And I think that's less
- 22:16exciting. What do you think, Sean?
- 22:19I think that I am really glad that Lex is hyped for this
- 22:24feature today as it's been announced and I desperately hope
- 22:30that two weeks efforts release. We aren't having conversations
- 22:33along the lines of why can't healers do this because it's too
- 22:36hard? Why is this so easy as a group?
- 22:39Why did becoming a group become the way to do praise?
- 22:42Why is the only thing they give cosmetics?
- 22:45Why does this feel like such a chore?
- 22:47I, I personally, I mean, if there's cosmetics tied to it
- 22:52that I want, I'll do it and I will have the level of enjoyment
- 22:56associated with it that I get from farming cosmetics.
- 22:59I just really hope because Lex is genuinely like, she's
- 23:03glowing. She's so excited about this.
- 23:04She's beaming with joy. I don't want two weeks into
- 23:09midnight for Lex to have to say something like I play at at
- 23:13Demon Hunter so it's fine, but all of my friends who plays
- 23:15healers can't do this alone anymore, which is what's what's
- 23:20going to happen because it's what literally happens every
- 23:22time. Oh for sure.
- 23:23And to be fair, I do like the fact that they set this with
- 23:26only like, and I, I know this is a tender thing to say, a
- 23:34sensitive, a sensitive point, but only like optional things.
- 23:39So like cosmetics and mounts and things.
- 23:41So, and I know that for some of you, you're yelling at your, at
- 23:45your computers already. And that's fair.
- 23:47I understand that for some of you that doesn't feel optional.
- 23:50But at least for me, it's like, if it's gear, I feel like I'm
- 23:54being a big jerk if I don't do them every week because I'm
- 23:57letting my team down. If it's mounts, that's for me.
- 24:02And so if I'm like, oh, this actually sucks and I hate it,
- 24:04I'm simply choosing, but I'm not going to get some mounts.
- 24:06That's OK. Nobody else is disappointed.
- 24:09I'm just maybe a little sad. Just a little one less mount for
- 24:12Lex. That gets her one bit 1 mount
- 24:15closer to being a real player. I think that what we could do is
- 24:22tuned. I think what we could do is like
- 24:26have it tuned differently for different roles.
- 24:29So like the same thing that they've done in Visions or when
- 24:33you were doing any of those sort of things where it's like, oh,
- 24:37it does more damage if you're a tank or have a tank in your
- 24:42right, it has less health if you're a healer and and so
- 24:46forth, that sort of that sort of thing.
- 24:49I wonder if it if like it brings friends if you're in a group or
- 24:56if it just goes like, oh, they're in a group.
- 25:00I don't want to ambush them while there's numbers against
- 25:03me. Either one of those would be
- 25:04cool and like make the system feel a lot smarter.
- 25:07If it if like you're, you're Hunter's like, oh crap, she's
- 25:11got friends. Hold off.
- 25:14Or you pick who your nemesis is. So it might like.
- 25:17I don't know exactly how they want to play this but they could
- 25:20make it so like certain nemeses are really hard hitting but
- 25:25don't take as much to DPS down to make them more tank specific.
- 25:28Or certain nemeses are like the depend on a mechanic that
- 25:35requires you to be able to heal up things in the environment.
- 25:37And certain ones are more just like pretty classic take hits do
- 25:42damage more for your DPS. Like they couldn't make it so
- 25:45you can kind of figure out which one you want to select based on
- 25:48your class. And so you don't have to do the
- 25:51like, oh, this one is impossible as a healer.
- 25:55For the game, can other people see them?
- 25:58Can they help you fight them if they see them?
- 25:59If you're in war mode and you're fighting one, can I come kill
- 26:02you and then you lose the contract?
- 26:05I have many questions that I hope Blizzard has thought of
- 26:10before they go live. Because if anybody else can see
- 26:13them, when you're you can be out there fighting this thing and
- 26:15then a group of people walk by and they just bang it out and
- 26:18there's no challenge at all. And then it's just dead.
- 26:22Yeah, I think there's a lot of things that can shift it around,
- 26:25make it way easier, way harder. Definitely PvP open world PvP is
- 26:31a is a question about it. I would hate if I just want to
- 26:35fight in like open world PvP and then my nemesis decides this is
- 26:39the time. Oh, that would that would hurt
- 26:42so much. I hope that also it isn't like
- 26:46limited attempts where it's like, oh, if I miss it on the
- 26:49final challenge, then I don't get it or it gets it's reduced
- 26:52somehow because that will immediately make the knives come
- 26:56out. Yeah, it.
- 26:58Should be once a week. It should be locked to once a
- 27:00week. But they did put out a short
- 27:08with all this information. It is as Lex says, just
- 27:10cosmetic. You are getting cosmetics,
- 27:13mounts, titles, housing items, but you are not getting any
- 27:18gear. So in in any situation it is
- 27:24just for bragging rights and cool stuff to show off next.
- 27:31From there we talked about them bringing Dells into the outside
- 27:35world, but they're not done with Dells in general.
- 27:38I'm once again going to pass this off to Lex because we've
- 27:40got 11 new Dells in the next expansion.
- 27:46Yes, at this time we have her name for new companion, which if
- 27:49they make me do Bran, like if they pull the vlog out from
- 27:51under me and they're like actually it's Branigan, I'm
- 27:53literally going to lose my mind. I will have an entire episode
- 27:55that will just be me saying swears, I'm sorry Manny.
- 27:58So new delves, an entire new set of delves.
- 28:01You're going with the legendary bledelf rogue Velira Sanguinar.
- 28:05And I did. I will admit that when I read
- 28:06that the first time, I was like, wow, they really like the third
- 28:11wind runner Sister has really dropped in the ranks of the
- 28:13lore. But no, apparently not.
- 28:17Sean's making a face that makes me think that I'm supposed to
- 28:18know this woman. Yeah, Valera Sanguener is one of
- 28:21the most famous rogues in the game.
- 28:23At one point she was in the gladiator pits with Varian Ren
- 28:27back in before he when he was lost his memory when he had been
- 28:31kidnapped. Yeah, Valera is amazing.
- 28:34She wears that red outfit and has the blonde hair.
- 28:36Does that help? She's.
- 28:37Like the blood elf with red outfit and blonde hair.
- 28:39I literally you. Now I know.
- 28:41You're welcome. No, not welcome.
- 28:43Think Burning Crusade, Right. Like tight, tight like titular
- 28:49rogue Burning Crusade. They wanted to show blood Elves
- 28:53and they showed her they had a Maraud as the the Exodars
- 29:00champion. That's the dry knife poster boy.
- 29:04And they had our Sanguinar Rogue.
- 29:07And then she was also in the Rogue Legion Order hall.
- 29:12Order hall. She's been back and forth a
- 29:14bunch of times. She predates World of Warcraft
- 29:16entirely because she was in the Warcraft series before.
- 29:20She's got pedigree. I.
- 29:23Did think I when I googled her, I immediately recognized her.
- 29:26I did think this was kind of like generic Blood Elf, which is
- 29:29why I was making fun of Sean, but OK, the fact that this that
- 29:32she has a name, I'm now caught up.
- 29:33This is really cool. It's really.
- 29:34I would like you to recognize how excellent my description of
- 29:39the red outfit was. It was.
- 29:41This was like, again, again, the reason that I mocked you was
- 29:44because I was like, oh, yeah. The blonde blood elf in red.
- 29:49Yeah, I know that one, Sean. Yeah, but you did.
- 29:53I did, in fact. Yeah, that's cool.
- 29:57I might actually do some delves. No.
- 30:00No, I I'm I'm actually it's funny that I feel like her being
- 30:05the delve companion feels like a downgrade for her.
- 30:09And then but I'm just sort of like, you know what, whatever.
- 30:12Like it's just like I think raising delves to have like big
- 30:17characters like this. And I don't want to say that
- 30:20Bran, he is a smaller character, but he's always been the like,
- 30:24quite short hero's companion. I hate him, he's so annoying I
- 30:28want him to shut up. He's.
- 30:30Always been the hero's companion.
- 30:32He's like from his from the get go.
- 30:34He's just like, oh champion, I'll I'll run along beside you
- 30:36and give exposition. So like him being the Delft
- 30:39companion was like, oh, OK, yeah, sure.
- 30:41Those webs will summon the Rubian.
- 30:44Next time, let's pull out some hotter hitting moves.
- 30:46Wow, I really I didn't. I really should not have tried
- 30:49the accent there. It did not.
- 30:50Go all out. I'm to go all out.
- 30:55Before we start a start a swearing episode, I do think
- 30:59it's going to be fun to see a healing rogue in action.
- 31:03Or like the tanking rogue. Sure, evasion tank and all day
- 31:08healing rogue. I I'm tired of people throwing
- 31:10potions in my vicinity. Let's I don't know what she's
- 31:13going to do. That's a good.
- 31:14Well, because the other thing about Bran that I think is less
- 31:17true for Valera, maybe. I don't know.
- 31:19I didn't really know she existed as a core character until now.
- 31:24Is it? Bran is inherently kind of
- 31:26silly, right? That's always.
- 31:27Yeah, like you said, he's like the hero's companion, but also
- 31:29he's he has that kind of dwarf silliness.
- 31:32And I don't know that that's the vibe.
- 31:34I'd say they I had to give her. And so I'm really curious how
- 31:38they're going to go about this, like whether they're going to be
- 31:40like, well, now she's a silly character because she's the
- 31:42Delve companion. Or if they're going to play this
- 31:44a little bit more straight, which does mean that they're
- 31:46going to have to figure out how she's going to be healing and
- 31:49things without just like, oh, dwarven medicine guys throwing
- 31:52the things out. I hope instead of healing that
- 31:55she just stabs us to death. She's like, you're too weak.
- 31:59She's like, switches her daggers for syringes and she's like, get
- 32:02up, get up, get up. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's going to
- 32:07be weird. I'm assuming that that means
- 32:10Dells are going to be just generally more serious, as you
- 32:13said, we're not going to have somebody stealing her hat in
- 32:16Season 2 or whatever. We'll see where it goes from
- 32:19there. Yeah, I wouldn't mind.
- 32:23What, like seeing how they bounce, the tone, seeing how
- 32:27they balance, like the various, various parts of it.
- 32:31Now, we did say that there are 11 Dells.
- 32:36They are all over the place. They are in all of the zones.
- 32:40We have the Shadow Enclave, the Collegiate Calamity.
- 32:45Oh, sorry, Collegiate. Can I just say which Blizzard
- 32:50dev had a really tough time in college?
- 32:53Like it was one thing they used to say like one dungeon that was
- 32:57like, Oh no, the school's going crazy.
- 32:59And now it's like every other patch they're like and what if
- 33:02the school goes crazy? Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
- 33:08You know, it could be like a general sort of like shared
- 33:13trauma that every so often they get the interns in and they're
- 33:16like, let me tell you about what it took to get this internship.
- 33:20And they're like, we should turn that into a dungeon now.
- 33:22We've done that before. Let's turn that into a delve
- 33:24this time. Perfect.
- 33:28The Parhelion Plaza. That's all I ever saw in woods.
- 33:31Zolaman has the Dark way, Twilight Crypts and a Talaman.
- 33:38The in Harndar we've got the Grudge Pit and the Gulf of
- 33:43Memory. I'm telling you right now, the
- 33:44Gulf of Memory is the coolest one out of these in terms of
- 33:48name so far. And then the Void Storm has
- 33:52another two, which is Sun Killer Sanctum and Shadow Guard point.
- 34:01Then our torments rise is the Nemesis Delve for season 1.
- 34:06Obviously that will change in season 2, but we had 10 delves
- 34:12with a with the 11th being a the the Nemesis Delve.
- 34:18Is that the same that they had in the War Within when it
- 34:22launched? I think so.
- 34:23Roughly, yeah. Three and Three and Dorn in the
- 34:29Isle of Dorn, 2 in the Ringing Deeps. 3IN hallow fall. 2IN
- 34:35Oscar hat plus Zach Fear. Yeah.
- 34:39So there you go. We're we're back at it again.
- 34:45Then we go into you dungeons and Sean as the dungeoneer, he in
- 34:51this, I'll give this to you. Yeah, pretty excited.
- 34:55And sad I the more the further away we get from we only play
- 35:01the in the expansion dungeons in season, the more I wanted to
- 35:04come back. But anyway, we're getting.
- 35:09Every song Woods are going to have three.
- 35:10Wind Runner Spire is being turned into a dungeon, so the
- 35:13historic home of the Wind Runners will be a dungeon.
- 35:16Magisters Terrace is making a return as a dungeon Magistrate's
- 35:20Terrace the first time was merely a set back and they're
- 35:23going to be trying to unleash some some void magic here.
- 35:26And then murder Row, which is happening in Silver Moon itself.
- 35:31It's one of the areas in Silver Moon murder Row and it's blood
- 35:33elves that are smuggling some fell relics and demons that are
- 35:36leftover from the Burning Crusade.
- 35:37That is Zola Mom. We've got 2 coming in with the
- 35:40Den of Nalarak, which is and Imani bearish.
- 35:43It's the money bear Loa, and he does have some challenges to
- 35:46test test before he will join us.
- 35:48So we have to prove that we're worthy, which means that the
- 35:51Soleimani won't bear the Imani trolls won't just be one note
- 35:56villains throughout this. So that's nice and the Mysara
- 36:01caverns also there we're going to save the weather bar who've
- 36:04been abducted abducted by the vow branch.
- 36:06Then we have a dungeon in Herinder with the Blinding veil
- 36:10and then two in the void storm, one that says it's an arena
- 36:14battle for the amusement of a powerful void entity.
- 36:17And I'm getting shades of Trial of the Champion, which I hope is
- 36:21true because then it means we possibly have a trial of the
- 36:24Crusader style raid in the next year.
- 36:27Which would mean no trash. Which would make me overjoyed.
- 36:32And then the next is point. Zenus excited.
- 36:35I'm excited. I love Eversong Woods.
- 36:36I love the blood elf themes. I'm looking forward to it.
- 36:41Zola Mom was a top tier raid when it came out.
- 36:44Going back there's going to be great.
- 36:46I am just really sad that we're only going to play four of these
- 36:51in the first season and then not see them again.
- 36:54Like think about a dungeon like Stone Vault.
- 36:57Stone Vault was great. We saw the season 1 and now it's
- 37:00gone. And if you didn't get the
- 37:01mountain season 1, you have to wait until midnight because it
- 37:05never came back as a mythic dungeon.
- 37:08That was another one that we got in Season 1 that never came back
- 37:11that we enjoyed is. That it?
- 37:14Is it just? Stone vault?
- 37:15I mean, I would have said Dawn. Dawnbreaker, but that's came
- 37:19back, yeah. Right.
- 37:21Cinderme Brewery was. Not anybody's favorite, so we
- 37:23just left threads I. Like Cinderme, you don't do.
- 37:26Dungeons I. Did during Cinder and you.
- 37:32Thread wasn't playing. Either.
- 37:35Yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't.
- 37:36Love I don't I get it, people get bored running the same
- 37:40dungeon over again farming the same piece of loop but just in a
- 37:43higher up higher item level isn't super thrilling.
- 37:47But for me that that I don't know I just I'm playing the
- 37:50expansion. I would like to be immersed in
- 37:53that expansions content for the duration of it.
- 37:55Especially since they're cycling is these through so fast now at
- 37:59an 18 month click like it does I think also.
- 38:03Just to add 1 cute little complaint, it does make me feel
- 38:06even more set back as a newer mythic pluser because it feels
- 38:11like there's more of an expectation of those.
- 38:13Like, Oh well, of course we all remember Mother Lode, we don't
- 38:17need to worry about that. Yeah, exactly.
- 38:21I think that. The part that you're talking
- 38:26about, Lex was kind of worse when you would come in season 3
- 38:32and everybody had been playing the same dungeons for 12 months
- 38:37straight. So like, and in recent memory,
- 38:40it wasn't like, do you remember this dungeon and oh, what
- 38:42changes have they made? It was we've done this dungeon
- 38:45for a year now. Get with it on week 1, so.
- 38:51I didn't really play back then. I you're correct that I I
- 38:56didn't, I wouldn't really know what I'm talking about.
- 39:00I I do agree with all the points Sean said though.
- 39:05Like it sucks that you're not immersed in the current story,
- 39:09the current events and everything.
- 39:11Delve stayed current by like refreshing the affixes, which is
- 39:17what they used to do with mythic mythic plus in order to keep it,
- 39:22keep it fresh. But I think this when we got to
- 39:26Dragonflight, they, they didn't, they're, they didn't know how to
- 39:30keep the creating new affixes. And they're like, though what
- 39:34we're can do is just refresh the dungeon pool.
- 39:36So I I want to say it's more a issue of keeping that design
- 39:42train running at that speed helped push this.
- 39:46And they had a number of other reasons that they considered
- 39:50pros for it. Yeah.
- 39:55All I can say is you've got more designers.
- 39:58I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it if they did.
- 40:01Like here's the first, here's the first dungeons and two
- 40:07returning. And then in the next season,
- 40:09it's like, here's another two dungeons plus this mega dungeon
- 40:12that we split into two parts and.
- 40:15And some returning ones. And then in season 3 of us
- 40:18having the like OG dungeons back was like what they did in
- 40:23Dragonflight, but they also didn't have mythic zeros being
- 40:27utterly shut out as well. So like the rotation is much
- 40:31harder drawn in in the war Within.
- 40:35And supposedly we'll see what, what the adjustments they do, if
- 40:40any, in midnight. But yeah, I'd, I'd, I'd like to
- 40:44be able to remember why stone core was a thing.
- 40:47Remember why these dungeons that like I maybe struggled against
- 40:52in season 1 have been like adjusted and they're fun in
- 40:56season 3. Oh well, yeah.
- 41:01Hey, why is Thrall on the War Within artwork?
- 41:06We should have an episode. Where are we talk about that,
- 41:10but it will not be this episode. I just because.
- 41:13That's my background for my teleprompters, that key art
- 41:15where it's like Xalatas standing behind the heroes and almost
- 41:18looks like a Star Wars poster. And I'm like, no, throw us
- 41:20there. The hell is he?
- 41:23At the game. Anyway, sorry, I I just, I
- 41:26normally have my camera there when I'm looking, I'm only
- 41:28looking at you guys, but I have you on a different monitor.
- 41:30So I'm just like staring at this right now.
- 41:32I'm like, that's really gorgeous.
- 41:34Why do we have him here? Because stories.
- 41:37Changed as they turned into the old soul saga.
- 41:40I will say though, when we're looking at the description of
- 41:42these, these dungeons, I and we're talking about like, oh,
- 41:47like you're challenging the bear load to get the support of the
- 41:50of the trolls Nexus point is zenith or where it's like you're
- 41:56the tension between our allies escalated and this is the
- 41:58beginning of the climax of the story.
- 42:00I'm hoping that this is pointing to a legion like zone setup
- 42:06where you have the story of the zone which culminates in the
- 42:09dungeon so that you have like that climax.
- 42:11You have that like, hey, this is this is what we've done.
- 42:15They did a similar thing in BFA, less so, but like that to me, it
- 42:22made each zone really have like a good story that was that was
- 42:25building up towards something. And it it felt like when we had
- 42:30the the story on tracks that we did in the war within and it's
- 42:37in shadow lands it it's made some of the zones feel like they
- 42:41didn't really get their proper conclusion.
- 42:44Looking at Arden wield and the trust.
- 42:46I'm looking at like Volt Volt Vulcan story in BFA, like stuff
- 42:55like that. So I'm hoping that that this,
- 42:58this is a change. We've got story, not story mode.
- 43:02What do they call it for dungeons, follower dungeons, so
- 43:06that everybody has access to this, whether you're playing
- 43:09alone and maybe have like a bit of anxiety playing in Group
- 43:12content, or if you, if you want to push us on like heroic as
- 43:17soon as you can, like that's all available to them.
- 43:20So I'm hoping that now they're going to use dungeons again for
- 43:23story with less RPS just for Sean's sake.
- 43:29I don't mind them. In the levelling, put them in
- 43:31for levelling, put them in for mythic 0, but just cut it out
- 43:34for mythic plus. We don't need that, I think.
- 43:37Kills my flow. Up faster they did, my poor God.
- 43:40King dirty. I'll never hear his soliloquy
- 43:42again. I am God.
- 43:45King Scovald fight. OK, Then of course, once you're
- 43:53done through dungeons, you've done all of the the story
- 43:57campaign, that's when you hit the raid.
- 44:00And so I'm going to pass this one to you, Lex, as somebody who
- 44:04loves rating with like blind and experiencing it, experiencing
- 44:08for the first time. Tell us a little bit about what
- 44:11you're not going to be learning about before a raid.
- 44:14Yeah, so. Raiding is interesting this
- 44:17year. This at least the first patch of
- 44:20the expansion. Because there's actually 3
- 44:23raids. One of them is 1/6 boss raid,
- 44:25one of them is a one boss raid, and one of those two boss raid.
- 44:29So there's the Void Spire which is the 6th boss raid that.
- 44:34Sounds to me more like. The standard rate that you're
- 44:36kind of expecting where you're fighting the void, you're
- 44:40dealing with the formidable foes and cosmic horrors, as they say,
- 44:44that's your sixth boss rate. Then there's the dream Rift,
- 44:47which sounds to me like it's more like the Heronier Heronier.
- 44:55That's your one boss rate, so you're only fighting one boy.
- 44:58Very curious how that one's going to go.
- 45:01And then you have March on Caldanis.
- 45:05Caldanis, I know how to speak. That's your two boss raid, which
- 45:09I think is technically a spoiler if you talk about it too much.
- 45:11So I'm not going to talk about it too much, but 3 raves and I'm
- 45:16a little, I might have missed an announcement.
- 45:19I don't know that they've necessarily told us if you have
- 45:22to go through them in this order, right?
- 45:25If it has to be Void Spire, Dream Rift March or if they kind
- 45:29of leave that up to you. I know they've said that they're
- 45:31all active upon launch, but I'm really excited.
- 45:35I am on record. I know this is Lex's bad take
- 45:38podcast. I'm on record saying that I love
- 45:40Crucible of Storms. So I like the mini raids.
- 45:43I think they're fun. I think they're cute.
- 45:44I think they're a good way to like experience things with, you
- 45:46know, energy and and they get to try different mechanics and try
- 45:49things that are a little bit more complicated, a little bit
- 45:52weird. So I'm very excited about this.
- 45:54How are we feeling about the raids?
- 45:56Let's pass this to Sean. Go ahead.
- 46:00I yeah, I I mean, it's. Just I'm I'm sure it'll be
- 46:05great. It's just one raid tier with
- 46:09three locations. So instead of a single 9 bus
- 46:12raid, it's just a. 9 bus raid broken.
- 46:15Up into three locations, especially if they're all
- 46:19dropping loot on the same like item level track, then that's
- 46:22how that will play out. You'll have your raid night
- 46:25where you'll go and do you know whichever 1 is considered
- 46:28easiest and then you'll go into the next one and the next one.
- 46:30I think the six box raid is intended to be the last one
- 46:33because it is says it's where I thought there was a thing about
- 46:39finding Salitaf. Or yeah, I can't find that
- 46:42anymore, but I do remember somebody saying it.
- 46:44Yeah, I read it somewhere that. It was hold on, here we go. 3
- 46:48raids, new bosses. Void Spire 6 boss raid within
- 46:51the Void Storm that serves as Alitat Stronghold.
- 46:54The Dream Rift, A single boss raid that takes players to a
- 46:57place where the fail between primordial dreams and brutal
- 46:59reality is thin and March on Queldonas 2 bus raid with large
- 47:03story spoilers. More details on this raid to
- 47:06come later. I suspect March on Keldonas will
- 47:10be the first one because it will probably be what we used to
- 47:13unlock silver moon or something like that in the story and then
- 47:17the rest of them following after.
- 47:18But yeah, it's I mean, I'm looking forward to I think 99
- 47:23bus raid is good. It's a little.
- 47:24It's probably the cap for the number I would want and this.
- 47:29Potentially opens it up. For some people to try some
- 47:31mythic bosses who maybe they wouldn't, it's a lot easier to
- 47:33get people together to try one mythic boss than it is to get
- 47:36them to lock in for 8:00. So that's nice.
- 47:40But I don't see this as like any groundbreaking change to rating
- 47:44or the race to world first. It's it's just a nine boss raid
- 47:47broken up into three locations, which is fine I.
- 47:51Think that they have to be very careful about how they put this
- 47:56forward if you OK, So looking at the current raid where we
- 48:00assisted the straight track, well, I mean there's like an
- 48:03option of which boss you take on 2nd, but like it's basically a
- 48:08straight straight track through through the raid.
- 48:11And so the difficulty ramping up is pretty linear when you have
- 48:16three entry points, 3 if the if the 6th boss raid is utterly
- 48:22linear, 3 bosses that can be approached as like anywhere
- 48:26between 2nd and 6th boss, right? Or sorry, 2nd and 4th boss
- 48:31rather you. I think that like how they tune
- 48:36these is going to be weird. There might be like where you're
- 48:39in that 2 boss raid and it's like first boss, fairly entry
- 48:42second boss. What the hell, we got to go farm
- 48:44something else. There's going to be that like as
- 48:47you said, there's going to be a accept, accepted, widely
- 48:52accepted, widely adopted path through this where, yes, it's
- 48:57going to become nine bosses in a very particular order just in
- 49:01three different locations. And I'm not going to like when
- 49:05it's like, OK, we're going to clear through this and then
- 49:07we're going to walk out of here. We're going to all pour it over
- 49:09here and then we're going to clear, clear this one.
- 49:11And then we'll go over here. Like that to me is hella
- 49:15annoying and is going to ruin some people's raid nights just
- 49:18because of the time lost going back and forth in between.
- 49:21I mean, I'm pretty convinced. Story wise, it's Void Spire
- 49:25March and then Dream Rift is kind of its own little thing
- 49:28just based on the like little bits of information we have
- 49:30about the story. So I guess I would guess that
- 49:33it's less going to be you're popping around a million
- 49:34different places and more you do Void Spire and like you do the
- 49:40six bosses together, then you pop over.
- 49:43I guess one thing I'm forgetting is that you guys tend to finish
- 49:46normal on like Night 1. So we might be a little
- 49:50different. I know as I'm speaking, I
- 49:52understand the issue a little bit more clearly.
- 49:54Yeah, but also Lex. If your team hits a wall going
- 50:00through the six boss raid and you haven't attempted the other
- 50:03ones, don't you think there's a point where we're like, oh,
- 50:06we're really not working on this.
- 50:08Let's go deal with like the other raid to go get some gear.
- 50:12Like I think all teams are going to have that kind of discussion,
- 50:15even if like they don't do it all the time.
- 50:18That's fair. And I do, actually, I'm really.
- 50:19Interested, as a raid leader, how we're going to approach
- 50:21this, Because I think you guys are right.
- 50:22There's going to be kind of a path that people take.
- 50:24But I'm guessing that we are going to have some degree of
- 50:26conversation about how we're going to go about this and then
- 50:28how we want to make it work. Because, yeah, you know, if you
- 50:31have a rough night, you can do March and get involved.
- 50:35Yeah, I don't think you're going to be.
- 50:36Able to, though I think the difficulty will be tuned like
- 50:40the way I'm reading this. So six boss raid, 2 boss raid, 1
- 50:44bus raid is you would do the first six bosses of the current
- 50:50raid and then after boss 6 you would leave and then the next
- 50:55two boss raid would be the next two bosses.
- 50:57So bosses 6:00 and 7:00. So Fractalis and Nexus King and
- 51:03then the one bus raid would be De Bencia.
- 51:04Seen that example like that. I don't think you're going to
- 51:06have the, I don't think if you get on boss four of the six boss
- 51:09raid and you get stuck. I don't anticipate this is
- 51:12assuming that the difficulty curve goes 6 bus raid, 2 bus
- 51:15raid, 1 bus raid. I don't think you're going to
- 51:17have the option to go to another raid and get Lube because I
- 51:20think it's going to be tuned to expect that you had cleared that
- 51:22six boss raid or vice versa. If you if you start on the 2
- 51:26boss raid and you struggle on the second like I I expect that
- 51:28there there's if I. Will be very.
- 51:32Frustrated if they tune it so that the first boss of the two
- 51:35boss raid is easy and the second boss of the two boss raid
- 51:38requires that you've cleared the six boss raid first, but you
- 51:41can't clear the six boss raid until you click if.
- 51:44If that is the difficulty curve, that'll be brutal.
- 51:47That'll that'll suck. It's going to be clear through
- 51:501, clear through 1, clear through 1.
- 51:51So any rate team that clears all of normal, all of heroic in a
- 51:54single night or even when you're in farm.
- 51:56So when you're far, it's every rate team basically.
- 51:59It will. I agree with that.
- 51:59You don't get annoying. You'll lose time because of
- 52:01travel. But I don't think this is like I
- 52:04don't, I don't think this is going to be like some novel idea
- 52:07that changes rating. I just think it's a nine bus
- 52:09tier that includes more travel time than usual.
- 52:12Were you guys playing? During Mr. Pandaria raiding in
- 52:15during Mr. Pandaria. No, no.
- 52:17OK, so Mr. Pandaria is the last time this this happened, but the
- 52:20raids weren't released all at the same time.
- 52:23You had Mogashon vaults. You cleared through Mogashon
- 52:26vaults. You went into heart affair.
- 52:27You cleared through heart affair.
- 52:28You went to terrorists of the endless.
- 52:30Sorry, terrorists of everlasting Spring or something.
- 52:35It's it was just called toes. I apologize.
- 52:37I don't recall exactly what that stood for.
- 52:40So you remember toes? Though.
- 52:43I mean, it's Alotaph season. Everybody remembers toes.
- 52:45We're all thinking about the toes.
- 52:47So. Like there was a very clear
- 52:50path, but there was a point where it's like, OK, maybe you
- 52:53were having issues in a later boss of the first the first one.
- 53:01So you would clear through some of the bosses in Heart of an
- 53:06Sorry Heart of fear. And thank you Epidemi who
- 53:10reminded me that it is Terrace of Endless Spring.
- 53:13Anyways, there was also an example if you guys remember BFA
- 53:18where we had the battle for Tsar lore and then the Crucible of
- 53:21Storms came out right after. Crucible of storms was really
- 53:2413, boss 13 and boss 14. You needed to be geared from
- 53:29from one raid to really have a good chance in the other.
- 53:33And I think like if they do that, if they stagger the
- 53:36releases so that it kind of telegraphs that it would be
- 53:41best. But like right now what we're
- 53:43hearing is that they're all released at the same time and
- 53:46you guys got to figure it out. And I, I feel that is a man.
- 53:54Am I asking for time gating? Is that what's happening here?
- 53:56I think I'm asking for time gating.
- 53:58Come at me, friends. Oh, that would be that.
- 54:01Would be worse. Do not time gate this.
- 54:03That would be horrible. This Well, I I this.
- 54:05Is why I I don't anticipate that they are going to make it so
- 54:09that like you go like I my guess is that the first boss.
- 54:15I I I'm guessing. That Dream Rift and March are
- 54:17going to be more complex because they're smaller, the same way
- 54:20the Crucible was more complex because it was smaller.
- 54:22But I, I guess I don't know, I'm really curious how they're going
- 54:27to do this and I'm really excited.
- 54:28I think that this could be really fun and, and give us a
- 54:31lot of ways to move around in, in ways we don't usually have to
- 54:34move around. For example, I'm really curious
- 54:35how this is going to affect race the world 1st and whether there
- 54:39might be something where like one thing I was really excited
- 54:42about when they announced this actually is, I think I was
- 54:43complaining a few episodes back that there's really no space for
- 54:46other teams to be anything other than like first boss players.
- 54:50But I can imagine a world where it's set in such a way that the
- 54:52big teams hit voidspeer Voidspire immediately to try to
- 54:56get the biggest, the most impressive race to world first.
- 54:59But you can. There are smaller teams that are
- 55:01competing dream rift in March. That said, as I say this, that
- 55:04also means that you're splitting attention a lot.
- 55:05So like who knows if anyone cares, But I I, I I can see a
- 55:08lot of I can totally agree with you guys.
- 55:10I can see a lot of ways this is going to suck, but I can also
- 55:12see a lot of ways where this can be really cool.
- 55:14And it's going to open up rating in in such a way that it's, it's
- 55:16easier to plug in and teams getting more creative, right?
- 55:20Teams that maybe struggle, struggle in, in certain aspects,
- 55:23like teams that have like weaker DPS might have different ones
- 55:26that they go on or teams that struggle with healing might have
- 55:28things that they work on. And anyway, I, I'm, I'm excited
- 55:33about this. I think this is really cool and
- 55:35I think this has the opportunity to be really exciting.
- 55:38I'm going to say it's all about the loot.
- 55:39Where's the tear? People are going to stack those
- 55:42raids real quick if they if it's within shooting distance and you
- 55:46can sort of skip the final boss of the sixth boss one and then
- 55:51get tear from the other ones. People will jump around for the
- 55:55loot, even if the difficulty isn't quite that way.
- 55:59So there's a lot of things that will affect race to world first
- 56:02progress and like what they what they hit or not.
- 56:04Like the quote UN quote optional boss has like boots that
- 56:08everybody wants. So it's it's something that
- 56:12people will hit. But like with this reset that
- 56:14happened, did the teams go back and do do that or did they go
- 56:18straight to try and like get Prague?
- 56:21Sean, you be casting everybody. Re cleared, Yeah, everybody do
- 56:24the full re clear. OK, yeah.
- 56:25And they one shot every. Boss on the re clear because of
- 56:27the nerves. Oh, wow.
- 56:29OK, OK, so yeah, this is this will be interesting for for
- 56:36rating progress both at the at home level and the race world
- 56:40first. It'll be, it'll be cool to see
- 56:42how that goes, but we've been talking about the Harandar and
- 56:48where the here and there come from.
- 56:49So it should be no surprise to anybody that we are getting the
- 56:54here and there as a playable race.
- 56:56After vanishing from the face of the earth at the start of
- 57:02Undermine, they are back in a big way.
- 57:04They can be Horde or Alliance. They are able to roll as a
- 57:09druid, a warrior or hunter, a rogue, a priest, a mage, A
- 57:13warlock, A monk or shaman. Obviously so many people are
- 57:18looking at those druid forms and saying Druid, druid.
- 57:21That means that you know you cannot be a death knight, you
- 57:23cannot be a paladin, you cannot be an evoker, nor can you be a
- 57:27Demon Hunter. Why you would want to be a
- 57:30paladin clearly that's just somebody being masochistic, but
- 57:36what what do you guys say here and are interesting you let's
- 57:42start with you Lex I'm. Boycotting it because I still
- 57:46haven't gotten murlocs. I will not be playing a hard
- 57:48here. Mostly there.
- 57:50There's other reasons that we're playing a hard here, but we're
- 57:52going to talk about that in a hot sack.
- 57:53So I'll we'll put a pin in that 10.
- 57:56OK, OK, I like. That they don't wear shoes like
- 58:02trolls and I like that they have feet like night owls so.
- 58:08There you go, Blizzard. Blizzard was like catching in
- 58:10the Lasala toes or like now you can play a race that you see the
- 58:13toes all the time. Yeah, yeah.
- 58:15I mean, I'm in different. I'm, I'm glad we're getting
- 58:17another race. I guess people like them.
- 58:19I'm going to play the same 2 races I've always played So
- 58:22cool. I'm happy for Pete.
- 58:24Like, you know, I know there's a lot of people who are really
- 58:27upset that the hair and hair weren't over every aspect of
- 58:30Undermine and or Koresh because they don't understand that you
- 58:33can start a story, beat and then set it down for a minute and
- 58:36then pick it back up later. Media literacy is really tough.
- 58:39And so they thought, well, they're not immediately talking
- 58:42with them right now. They must not exist anymore.
- 58:44Did Blizzard delete them? And they'll go to.
- 58:47Their back, weird, yeah, a lot of a lot of appearance changes,
- 58:52though. They look pretty cool.
- 58:53Happy for folks to get a class that they wanted, the player
- 58:56race that they wanted to play. You know, anybody who looks at
- 58:59the Heron air and think, oh man, that's me.
- 59:00I'm glad you can play as them. I think this is the.
- 59:03First time that we are repeating a rate like a a race in the
- 59:07allied races though, am I correct?
- 59:09Because this is the second troll ish is that they're not really a
- 59:13troll. Well, I mean, they're I want to
- 59:16get an halfway step. Between.
- 59:17Troll and and elves and night elves, yeah, and I'm.
- 59:21Also being an idiot. Because dark eye we have dark
- 59:23iron dwarfs and we also have earthen.
- 59:25So I immediately am proven wrong interaction OK, but I mean like.
- 59:30The Urban got deleted after undermine, so there you go,
- 59:34deleted. But yeah, now we've got the hair
- 59:38and R who have avoided that same fate and I'm interested in
- 59:45seeing them. I think they did a good job when
- 59:47they introduced the urban with their like local stories and
- 59:50stuff, making them, making them seem really cool that I but I
- 59:54haven't touched an Urban since the Harn air.
- 59:57I think it's going to be pretty similar where it's like, Oh,
- 59:59that's cool. And that's like a really cool
- 1:00:01story. And then they're just going to
- 1:00:02be like, OK. I think when Blizzard was
- 1:00:04introducing races before they really made the expansion all
- 1:00:08about that race, like burning Crusade was so blood elves, so
- 1:00:14so deny and so and so forth. Like you had Morgan all over the
- 1:00:18place and and goblins all over the place.
- 1:00:21Now it's just sort of like a, OK, this is a a feature and
- 1:00:24like, maybe I like the aesthetic or maybe I don't.
- 1:00:27These guys I I don't like open feet like this not my not my
- 1:00:32thing. Sorry.
- 1:00:33I do moving right along. Can you talk about the new spec
- 1:00:40coming? I think, oh man, I don't even
- 1:00:43know who to throw this to because you guys, did you want
- 1:00:45me to? Did you want me to?
- 1:00:46Do this one you do over it. I'm going to get water did.
- 1:00:48You want? Go ahead, legs.
- 1:00:50OK, so. You all thought we were crazy.
- 1:00:53You all thought we were ridiculous and silly.
- 1:00:55We are getting a third Demon Hunter spec and it's void themed
- 1:00:59and it's range and it's called devour.
- 1:01:01It's mid range. Sorry, it's mid range.
- 1:01:03It's called devourer. You're so again, it's it's
- 1:01:07focused on soul harvesting techniques.
- 1:01:09So presumably it's a build and burn thing.
- 1:01:11I'm think I'm using words correctly.
- 1:01:13You're doing some range, some meat and some melee.
- 1:01:16You're kind of popping all in and out.
- 1:01:18You can get void elf demon hunters now, which is super
- 1:01:21exciting. And I, I, I, OK, I'm actually
- 1:01:26going to spend a couple seconds. I'm going to appeal directly to
- 1:01:28FAS dev FAS dev. I'm never going to ask this of
- 1:01:31you again. I've never asked of it of you
- 1:01:33before. I just need this one thing.
- 1:01:35I need you to get me alpha access.
- 1:01:37I need, I need this so much. This is the only time in my
- 1:01:39entire life that I'm ever going to play alpha.
- 1:01:42This I. I need to play.
- 1:01:43Devour I'm so excited and if it sucks I'm going to be devastated
- 1:01:46but Oh my God I've 'cause I OK OK OK here's the thing.
- 1:01:51I'm not really a melee girl. I play melee because I enjoy the
- 1:01:56Demon Hunter mobility and the way that it it moves like
- 1:02:00movement is so part of the the spec.
- 1:02:03Unclear if that's going to be true of our but I kind of can't
- 1:02:06imagine a Demon Hunter speck that isn't mobile.
- 1:02:08Like that would just be such a departure from a Demon Hunter.
- 1:02:10I'm like why would you even make that a Demon Hunter speck?
- 1:02:12Just make a new class, Not that I have any feelings on that.
- 1:02:14So I'm hoping, guessing knock on wood, that this will also be
- 1:02:17mobile and if I could have a mobile range class my life would
- 1:02:21be set. Do you have any idea how happy
- 1:02:23I'd be? This would be the greatest thing
- 1:02:25that ever happened to me so I'm really excited about the power.
- 1:02:27How does anyone have thoughts? I.
- 1:02:30I want to introduce you to Hunter, which is a mobile range
- 1:02:35spec that often can just keep moving around and do damage not
- 1:02:41caring. But I do think that the mid
- 1:02:45range part of this is pretty interesting.
- 1:02:49This is them kind of doubling down on the evoker thing where
- 1:02:55it's like OK, 25 yard range, not that 40 yard range.
- 1:02:59Also making a Demon Hunter have an option where it's not in the
- 1:03:04puddle of melee is is also pretty interesting.
- 1:03:10I think that I, I, I think that this is definitely something
- 1:03:17that could shake up stuff. It's going to be a question of
- 1:03:22do you play Havoc or do you play Devourer?
- 1:03:28Like which one plays safer in the mechanics?
- 1:03:31You're getting that same buff. They're fighting over that, that
- 1:03:33same spot. I don't know, like it.
- 1:03:35It might just be in terms of like tuning what?
- 1:03:40What's the utility that Demon Hunter brings?
- 1:03:43Usually it's just that 5% magic damage buff and bringing its own
- 1:03:50damage. Well, first of all, yeah.
- 1:03:53The 5% would be pretty chunky if I'm also doing magic damage in
- 1:03:56this case. I guess maybe I'm not.
- 1:03:58I don't know how damage works. It doesn't matter.
- 1:03:59I mean, darkness is always. Great in terms of like a a nice
- 1:04:04little defensive utility? Well, I'd like to be sure, I
- 1:04:07don't think. Maybe I'm about to look like an
- 1:04:09idiot. I don't think every class has
- 1:04:10like unique utility right? Like there are certain ones that
- 1:04:14do really exciting things, but not everyone if you're.
- 1:04:18Talking from a mythic bus perspective, demon hunters bring
- 1:04:22Casanova so it's an ALE stun. They bring darkness as you
- 1:04:25mentioned. They bring an immunity and
- 1:04:26another walk. They bring in prison which is
- 1:04:30nice for skips if they're a night elf.
- 1:04:33And if you're playing and you're not a night elf Demon Hunter,
- 1:04:35you're not playing seriously. They bring shadows or they bring
- 1:04:38shadow meld. That everybody should know.
- 1:04:41My Demon Hunter is a blood elf so I am in the non serious club.
- 1:04:47So that's they bring those things and then yeah, from a
- 1:04:51raid perspective, it's the you're looking at darkness,
- 1:04:53you're looking at a potential nether walk immunity, good
- 1:04:55damage, good self sustainability, high mobility.
- 1:04:59Also many those fun and. They bring, they bring fun and
- 1:05:02fun and it's. Fun to make fun of you when you
- 1:05:04backflip off. The off the arena and that's
- 1:05:07really good for. You to noom, Noom all.
- 1:05:10Over the place, you literally knew.
- 1:05:11It's so exciting. Oh my God, you guys.
- 1:05:13I the problem is Devourer is going to come out and it's going
- 1:05:17to be a like stop and cast like nothing like other demon
- 1:05:21hunters, and I'm going to be the most disappointed I've ever been
- 1:05:23in my life. But as of right now, it's going
- 1:05:25to be so slow over the moon. So slow.
- 1:05:30It's going to be awesome. You're going to be playing your
- 1:05:31devoured Demon Hunter cursing that they can't do pray
- 1:05:34correctly I because the tuning is off.
- 1:05:36I did end up playing. Void Elf for like simply because
- 1:05:41I got so committed when they announced void elf to being
- 1:05:44excited about void elf that when it came out I was like, well, I
- 1:05:46guess I'm playing Void elf until I switch to Demon Hunter.
- 1:05:48So first of all, I'm going back to void elf.
- 1:05:50But also the fact that I'm saying publicly that I'm really
- 1:05:53excited about this means when it comes out I will feel obligated
- 1:05:57to love it. Like I'm going to be like, well,
- 1:06:00I'm determined to enjoy devourer, so I'm going to be the
- 1:06:03biggest devourer since you've ever seen.
- 1:06:07I mean, like you, you get to enjoy it on the alpha and then
- 1:06:09you, you can ditch it when it goes live.
- 1:06:11You're like, I had my fun. And then they made those changes
- 1:06:14and oh, I, I gave it, I gave it a fair shot.
- 1:06:17That's basically how you can't have trouble.
- 1:06:19So. That is true.
- 1:06:20I have to be fair. I'm saying I want alpha so bad,
- 1:06:23but previously when I got alpha I like obsessively told everyone
- 1:06:26how much they needed to play this game because it's the best
- 1:06:28thing that ever came out. And then once it became big, I
- 1:06:30was like, oh, I don't really like this boy.
- 1:06:35OK, All right, festive, ignore that last comment.
- 1:06:39We'll see if you can get alpha. But yeah, all of this is is
- 1:06:43there. There was also a lot of talk
- 1:06:46about housing, but unfortunately we are already at an hour here,
- 1:06:50so we're really going to have to cut this short.
- 1:06:53There's so much info out there. There's more info that's coming
- 1:06:56on out later this week, so we will be going going through that
- 1:07:01as well in the next episode. Before we run though, I have one
- 1:07:06more thing. That's what I was about to ask.
- 1:07:08Do you have anything? You want to add?
- 1:07:09Yeah, one more thing. Transmog is going to be cheaper
- 1:07:13and it no not free cheaper. The headlines on every single
- 1:07:20website that said that transmogging will be free are a
- 1:07:23gross misrepresentation of what the actual reality is for
- 1:07:28transmogging. So they're switching to a slot
- 1:07:30based transmog instead of right now.
- 1:07:32The way transmog works is you transmog the specific item
- 1:07:36you're wearing to look like something else.
- 1:07:38The transition they're making is you will be, so you have to pay
- 1:07:42every time you get a new piece of armor to transmog it.
- 1:07:44The transition they're making is you'll be transmogging to the
- 1:07:47slot itself, so you'll make your shoulders look a certain way.
- 1:07:52That will still cost you gold, but it remains that look
- 1:07:56forever. You pay once for the for
- 1:07:59creating the outfit and then you can change the outfits for free,
- 1:08:02but you still will have to pay for that initial outfit that you
- 1:08:06set up. So not free, but much cheaper,
- 1:08:09which is nice. But every you're right, Manny,
- 1:08:11literally every single news aggregate website said
- 1:08:16transmogging will be free in the war within in mid in midnight.
- 1:08:21And they're all liars. They're all click baity liars.
- 1:08:27I'm looking at you in chat. You know who you are, you click
- 1:08:30baiter. I'm blaming him.
- 1:08:34I know he didn't do it well, OK. I I I'm looking forward to my
- 1:08:40almost free trans blog in midnight and I am looking
- 1:08:44forward to the next episode because we have a lot more
- 1:08:46information that is going to be coming out through Gamescon and
- 1:08:49we will be going through that as well.
- 1:08:52So make sure you are back here or jump into the discord bit dot
- 1:08:56LY flat slash fast discord so that you can join in the
- 1:09:02conversations. Until next time, though, may all
- 1:09:05your hits be quits.