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Influencer Charged with Sex Trafficking, $300,000,000 ASSETS Found · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Five million dollars a month, five million dollars a month
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Speaker 1: that we know of. And no, I'm not talking about
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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. I'm not talking about some famous star, not
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Speaker 1: even talking about the US President. I'm talking about possibly
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Speaker 1: the most misogynistic person I have ever encountered, discussing tactics
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Speaker 1: on how to lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages
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Speaker 1: and more have now been leaked, and it's all spewing
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Speaker 1: from the empire built by an Tate.
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Speaker 2: I means he grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at foxination and
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Speaker 1: series six one eleven. How is it happening that this
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Speaker 1: guy is not behind bars? We put r Kelly behind bars,
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Speaker 1: we put next him behind bars, we put other sex
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Speaker 1: attackers behind bars.
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Speaker 2: He is not only walking free and posting.
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Speaker 1: Videos of him at extravagant restaurants toasting champagne.
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Speaker 2: He's not only.
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Speaker 1: Walking free, but his business goes on a sex trafficker.
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Speaker 1: According to Elle Law Enforcement, how is that happening? Should
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Speaker 1: we just give up and lay down and let sex
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Speaker 1: traffickers roll right over us? H E double as well
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Speaker 1: in Oh, first of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which
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Speaker 3: has been called misogynistic, but what most people don't know
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Speaker 3: is that he also runs this secret of all male society,
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Speaker 3: the Warm, which he says is a kind of self
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Speaker 3: help society that helps you become better man. It costs
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Speaker 3: six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered is
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Speaker 3: that actually within the Warum, they're actually teaching men methods
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Speaker 3: for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified
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Speaker 3: from the leaked messages you referred to at least forty
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Speaker 3: five potential victims of this grooming method.
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Speaker 4: Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and
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Speaker 4: will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a
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Speaker 4: criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three
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Speaker 4: others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking,
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Speaker 4: including Andrew's brother, Tristan. A spokesperson for the Tate brothers
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Speaker 4: confirm their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations.
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Speaker 4: The two were remanded into custody back into cell before
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Speaker 4: being released under house arrest in March.
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Speaker 1: I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.
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Speaker 2: But I tell you this much, we can stop sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: And what's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret.
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Speaker 2: They're not in the.
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Speaker 1: Back of massage parlors and nail salons with their papers
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Speaker 1: stolen from them unless they have sex with strangers and
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Speaker 1: then they're pimp making the money. This is not some
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Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen year old girl that has been stolen
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Speaker 1: and she's being hidden in some secret apartment somewhere in
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Speaker 1: La far far away from home, being beaten in drug
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Speaker 1: This is right in our face. This is happening right online.
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Speaker 2: I really don't even know where to start. Take a listener,
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Speaker 2: friends at.
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Speaker 5: BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial influence
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Speaker 5: Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The charges
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Speaker 5: include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group,
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Speaker 5: as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence
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Speaker 5: against one of the alleged victims. The indictment taught says
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Speaker 5: that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the four
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Speaker 5: defendants formed an organized criminal group to commit human trafficking
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Speaker 5: in the United States and Britain.
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Speaker 6: We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently
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Speaker 6: allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by
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Speaker 6: the two Tape brothers.
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Speaker 1: Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what
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Speaker 1: this is. This is not about love and marriage. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing from our friends at BBC as well as NBC.
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Speaker 1: This is not about love and marriage at all.
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Speaker 2: Guys.
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Speaker 1: Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dalmail dot com,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker joining us, I want you to hear our
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Speaker 1: cut fifteen from the Dangerous Rye of Andrew Ta BBC.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 7: In the leaked messages that we got access to, were
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Speaker 7: able to see that up to forty five women were
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Speaker 7: recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method
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Speaker 7: without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming
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Speaker 7: specific women, and in the documentary we spoke to two
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Speaker 7: of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one
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Speaker 7: on the West coast of the US, who both alleged
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Speaker 7: that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew
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Speaker 7: Tates warrem.
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Speaker 1: That's not all I'll take us now, a cut Tian
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Speaker 1: Lucia Williamson BBC.
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Speaker 6: The prosecution also says that women were forced by the
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Speaker 6: defendants to make pornographic content online and alleges that some
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Speaker 6: women did not control the money they made and were
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Speaker 6: fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough.
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Speaker 6: As spokeswoman for the Tate Brothers said that they vehemently
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Speaker 6: denied the serious allegations against them.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in astar panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now? Why is this guy still walking free,
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Speaker 1: not working free, but tarn authorities seemingly that are useless
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Speaker 1: and stopping sex trafficking? By Andrew Tate straight out to
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Speaker 1: senior investigative reporter for the Dailymail dot Com Caitlin Becker, Caitlyn,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us forty five known alleged victims.
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Speaker 1: There are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway. We
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Speaker 1: were us Not only US, but many other journalists and
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Speaker 1: law enforcement were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba,
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Speaker 1: including the Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been removed from
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Speaker 1: the island for sex trafficking. That is a part of
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking. You remove the victim from their home, from
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Speaker 1: their money, from their cell phone from their driver's license,
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Speaker 1: their ID, and they're stuck with you, nowhere to go,
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Speaker 1: and they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away
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Speaker 1: from their home. The fact that this conspiracy to sex
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Speaker 1: traffic is in many countries, it's hard for some people
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Speaker 1: to believe. But this is the way sex trafficking works.
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Speaker 1: Who is Andrew Tate, Titlan Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: It's the way sex trafficking work. But it's also the
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Speaker 8: way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame
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Speaker 8: is on the Internet. I mean, he had a short
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Speaker 8: lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became
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Speaker 8: known in online circles for being kind of a king
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Speaker 8: of misogyny and teaching men how to be men, which
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Speaker 8: involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses.
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Speaker 8: He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was
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Speaker 8: more of his public one, and then this war room
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Speaker 8: that you been hearing about was his private one. But
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Speaker 8: he also had very popular social media accounts where he
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Speaker 8: propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard,
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Speaker 8: essentially allegedly grooming and he garnered thousands and thousands and
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Speaker 8: thousands of followers, and for war Room particularly, you had
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Speaker 8: to pay the equivalent of what is about eight thousand
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Speaker 8: dollars to join. So he's then profiting off of this
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Speaker 8: and fowling like minded men to listen to the types
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Speaker 8: of sort of vile information that he's viewing. So the
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Speaker 8: conspiracy goes far and wide. You not only have Andrew
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Speaker 8: and Tristan Kate, the brothers who were at the head
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Speaker 8: of this, that's sort of ahead of the stake, but
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Speaker 8: you also have all of those war Room members. You
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Speaker 8: can imagine how far this can go. I mean, we
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Speaker 8: have alleged victims. There are seven in the indictment, and
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Speaker 8: they are from all over the world, several in Europe,
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Speaker 8: at least one in the United States. All of their
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Speaker 8: identities are being protected. We are also hearing potentially forty
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Speaker 8: five others from these leaked telegram messages that the BBC obtained.
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Speaker 8: But Nancy, those messages are only for one year, so
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Speaker 8: you have to imagine in one year if there's forty
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Speaker 8: five potential victims. I can't even fathom how many that
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Speaker 8: could be if we add in all of the other
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Speaker 8: years that we don't have the messages.
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Speaker 1: For guys This isn't just a single instance when assets
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Speaker 1: were saved with this guy. Of course, now all that's
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Speaker 1: over and he's walking free making money again. Over three
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2: US dollars was saved. That is the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: With how many people this guy is controlling and how
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Speaker 1: many women are being subjected to sex trafficking, forced pornography,
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Speaker 1: being read, being beaten. In his chats screenshots purported messages
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Speaker 1: from the quote war Room, Tate describes women as quote
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Speaker 1: targets and assets, and explains how to isolate and manipulate women.
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Speaker 1: In one message, this woman hater describes how he isolated
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Speaker 1: one woman until she quote lost her support networks at home,
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Speaker 1: and he kept her in his compound quote and this
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Speaker 1: takes tastes like a dirt sandwich to me. The real
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Speaker 1: goal is for her to agree to never go anywhere
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Speaker 1: without me, not even her hometown. I need her working.
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Speaker 1: This is from his screenshots. He appears to seek help
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Speaker 1: from his associates to force one woman to post sexually
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Speaker 1: explicit content on only fans. He tells his followers he'll
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Speaker 1: be making the play tonight. Since she moved to his compound,
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Speaker 1: she's been fed, but nothing else. These are his words.
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Speaker 1: She's broke, she can't go home, she can't leave the house. Man,
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Speaker 1: I sound almost evil, Guys, this is such a huge operation.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen at our cut too, Lucy Williamson.
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Speaker 6: The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and
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Speaker 6: within that there are several counts against each of the
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Speaker 6: four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized
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Speaker 6: crime unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars,
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Speaker 6: luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US
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Speaker 6: dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate
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Speaker 6: charges that are still under investigation that may be the
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Speaker 6: subject of a separate indictment in the future.
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Speaker 1: Think about it. How many times have I told a
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Speaker 1: jury don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you.
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Speaker 1: Think about these facts, young women being forced into.
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Speaker 2: Sex rate Think about it.
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Speaker 1: Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister, Think
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Speaker 1: about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family.
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Speaker 1: To the tin of this guy making at least three
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, Man, I hear someone jumping in. Who is it, Nancy?
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Speaker 9: This is Don Shiller.
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller.
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Speaker 1: And joining us training director for the La County Project
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Speaker 1: with Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best
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Speaker 1: selling author of the Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes.
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Speaker 2: Dawn, please jump in, go.
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Speaker 9: Ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call myself a
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Speaker 9: lives experience expert in and that's what we do when
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Speaker 9: we go out and teach and train around human trafficking.
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Speaker 9: So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what
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Speaker 9: really applies to is is the recruitment. Grooming is recruitment
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Speaker 9: under the umbrella of what is human trafficking. I'm luring
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Speaker 9: somebody in on their vulnerabilities based off of needs for
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Speaker 9: love and attention whatever that is, because they didn't have
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Speaker 9: it at home. Is really a classic form of recruitment
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Speaker 9: into where the victim is then now kept in by force.
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Speaker 9: Fraud and coersion and coersion is all types of things.
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Speaker 9: The fraud is this promise of love that never turns
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Speaker 9: into love. Is always like having to force you into
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Speaker 9: doing something. But all of that is really really familiar.
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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Take's leaked text. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in
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Speaker 1: the business. If we all agree on that, I'll give
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Speaker 1: you a play by play of what I try.
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Speaker 2: I do this for every girl I get to work.
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Speaker 1: If you guys see the value, you guys can use
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Speaker 1: your bottom bit to do whatever g is doing. You
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Speaker 1: are never going back to your hometown, even to visit
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Speaker 1: without me. You understand that is part of his technique.
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Speaker 1: These are his words, not mine.
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Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 1: One definitive accused of raping one woman twice using intimidation,
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Speaker 1: constant surveillance and claims in the victims were in dept.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight from BBC.
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Speaker 6: Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Taate.
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Speaker 6: It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear
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Speaker 6: to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and
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Speaker 6: the apparent coersion, control and abuse of women by mister
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Speaker 6: Tate and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew
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Speaker 6: Tate appears to coerce and alleged victim into group sex
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Speaker 6: using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in
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Speaker 6: prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to
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Speaker 6: twelve hours a day.
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Speaker 1: Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day. Okay
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Speaker 1: to doctor Joni Johnstone, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author
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Speaker 1: of serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime
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Speaker 1: fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Explain what's happening here?
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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think the scale, or on the
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Speaker 10: potential scale of what is going on is mind boggling.
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Speaker 10: But the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean,
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Speaker 10: how many times do we heard these Nancy, you know,
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Speaker 10: just isolating people from their loves, lines, from people they
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Speaker 10: care about, the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've
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Speaker 10: heard this in a million different ways. It's the way
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Speaker 10: to isolate and control your victims, and it's, you know,
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Speaker 10: it's something we've heard over and over again.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so
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Speaker 1: many times before sex cults, and it's always women and
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Speaker 1: children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized,
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Speaker 1: who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take
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Speaker 1: a list to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 11: Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges
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Speaker 11: after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women
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Speaker 11: as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an
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Speaker 11: organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac
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Speaker 11: gave a testimonial for the group.
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Speaker 8: When I first came, I had on the surface something
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Speaker 8: that seems to be like the perfect life for a
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Speaker 8: pretty good life.
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Speaker 11: Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including
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Speaker 11: sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me, founder and director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US
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Speaker 1: based sex cult where people were actually allowed being branded
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Speaker 1: and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The
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Speaker 1: only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing
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Speaker 1: our face in it. It's right here on the internet.
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Speaker 1: He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can
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Speaker 1: and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on
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Speaker 1: this Nancy.
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Speaker 12: I think some terminology here is going to be important.
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Speaker 1: Terminology h rear end how is terminology going to put
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Speaker 1: this guy behind bars?
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Speaker 2: Terminology? What does that matter to me?
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Speaker 12: Because they need to understand who he is. They keep
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Speaker 12: using words like that, gurney, who's they today? On the show?
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Speaker 12: People have said grooming that implies over time. Listen to
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Speaker 12: me very carefully. There are three types of pimps. There's
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Speaker 12: the ceo pimp, there's a robo pimp, and there's the
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Speaker 12: gorilla pimp. The Ceo pimp is all about money. He
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Speaker 12: only cares about money. She's an object. He's going to
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Speaker 12: make money.
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Speaker 13: He owns her.
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Speaker 12: The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife,
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Speaker 12: you're my woman, put his name on her neck, tattoo
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Speaker 12: her as property, but she believes they're together. Then you've
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Speaker 12: got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in
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Speaker 12: your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are
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Speaker 12: a six slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing.
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Speaker 12: The gentleman that is doing all of this, he can
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Speaker 12: go from a ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or
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Speaker 12: a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what
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Speaker 12: you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and
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Speaker 12: the next thing they know they're beaten, laying on the
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Speaker 12: cement floor, working eight hours a day with no brain.
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Speaker 1: And when you say working eight hours a day, what
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Speaker 1: you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after
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Speaker 1: rape after rape, and the.
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Speaker 2: Pimp gets the money. I hear somebody jumping in, who
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Speaker 2: is it?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and this is Dawn again, And I want to
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Speaker 9: just kind of push back a little bit on those
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Speaker 9: three categories of what a pimp looks like, because an
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Speaker 9: exploiter can be anybody. It can be a professional, It
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Speaker 9: could be a family member, it could be anybody. All right,
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Speaker 9: It depends on the situation, and it depends on their opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I hear you don you say potato,
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Speaker 1: I say potato.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 1: You and Cheryl and everybody else. You're all right, but
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Speaker 1: you can use whatever names you want. This guy needs
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Speaker 1: to be behind bars. He does not need to be
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Speaker 1: out at an Italian restaurant toasting crystal. He is rubbing
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Speaker 1: our noses in the fat that he has a sex
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Speaker 1: traffkey organization to you, Caitlin Beck Her senior investigator reporter
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Speaker 1: Jalenmeil dot com, could you please explain, obviously I'm not
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Speaker 1: doing a good job, and I accept that you can
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Speaker 1: do much better than me. Explaining what kind of hate
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Speaker 1: and vitriol Andrew tait spews, what does he say?
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Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost, Nancy, just to sort of put
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Speaker 8: the pimp question to bed, he sorry for the really
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Speaker 8: poorly timed pun there too. He himself had a course
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Speaker 8: called PhD in the war room. This is where the
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Speaker 8: conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands
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Speaker 8: for pimpin hoose degree. So he was doing this very
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Speaker 8: much in plain sight.
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Speaker 1: You know what, you are so polite, I am not PhD.
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Speaker 1: Pimpin hoose degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores,
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Speaker 1: pamping whores degree. Now, if he were just those are
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Speaker 1: just words. I can't proscy somebody for words un lesser
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Speaker 1: terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. Where do you
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Speaker 1: think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus more women
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Speaker 1: are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of Andrew
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Speaker 1: Tate's cult like members that he creates.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, please, Taitlin Becker.
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Speaker 8: Well, on top of that, Nancy, with the money, he
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Speaker 8: essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his hustlers University that
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Speaker 8: was his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month,
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Speaker 8: and they he essentially gave people advice on how to
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Speaker 8: be a better man and how to get wealthy, and
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Speaker 8: how to control women, and then he would have those
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Speaker 8: members go and recruit other members. So he's running this
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Speaker 8: sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think
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Speaker 8: at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers.
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Speaker 8: In addition to this, the War Room, which was certainly
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Speaker 8: more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages
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Speaker 8: that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms,
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Speaker 8: and they spoke about actions with women, about how they
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Speaker 8: wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to
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Speaker 8: not have any control, like you said, very cult like,
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Speaker 8: very much cult like, not to have any control over
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Speaker 8: their finances, not be able to control what they did,
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Speaker 8: what they wore, what they eat, who they saw, and
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Speaker 8: also separate them from their families. So those are sort
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Speaker 8: of the actionable things that he's accused of doing. But
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Speaker 8: what it comes down to is he had a lot
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Speaker 8: of these women allegedly performing online on something like Only Fans,
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Speaker 8: which is another subscription based service and different kinds of
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Speaker 8: pornography sites which are other subscription based services, so he
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Speaker 8: would allegedly get the money in from that while forcing
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Speaker 8: these women for ten twelve hours a day to perform
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Speaker 8: these sex acts against their will. And these can be
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Speaker 8: done anywhere because everything is online.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me
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Speaker 1: explain that I'm going to go to our other all
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Speaker 1: star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is
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Speaker 1: joining us, greg Algrin and Lee Reeber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need
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Speaker 1: you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this
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Speaker 1: room or everyone listening right now to understand the outrage
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Speaker 1: that I'm feeling. I think you have to go, and
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Speaker 1: you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself,
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Speaker 1: which guess what you'd be really surprised about the people
23:44
Speaker 1: you know that are sex assault victims that have never
23:50
Speaker 1: mentioned it. You'd be very surprised unless you are a
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Speaker 1: sex assault victim or have worked with sex assault victims,
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Speaker 1: or you have gone and you have seen for yourself
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Speaker 1: the lives of these women in the back of the
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Speaker 1: nel salon, in the back of the massage parlors, in
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Speaker 1: the apartments, the houses where they are beaten and drugged
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Speaker 1: and raped by multiple men a day, and their lives
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Speaker 1: are torn apart and they are never the same. The beatings,
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Speaker 1: the humiliations, these women, these girls just go numb. And
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Speaker 1: while I often say yeah, you can go on, you
24:36
Speaker 1: can go forward in their life, yeah you can, but
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Speaker 1: they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up.
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Speaker 1: Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stench, the smell,
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Speaker 1: the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through
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Speaker 1: right now. While we're talking about which word to you,
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Speaker 1: they're being raped and sodomized and being right now, Cheryl Antey.
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Speaker 12: I think you're doing a beautiful job. But I know
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Speaker 12: for us on the street level and law enforcement, it
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Speaker 12: is so difficult. When you find a location and you
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Speaker 12: kick that door in and you see somebody that's about
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Speaker 12: twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come
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Speaker 12: to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will
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Speaker 12: not give the person's name up, they will not tell
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Speaker 12: what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with
25:28
Speaker 12: their families. Everything in their life is upside down, and
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Speaker 12: when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know,
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Speaker 12: bring them back home and get them to a place
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Speaker 12: where they can maybe even go back to school, it's
25:43
Speaker 12: almost impossible.
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Speaker 1: Now, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,
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Speaker 1: and yes, everything you just said was right, But these women,
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Speaker 1: it's like the ladies that I work with at the
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Speaker 1: Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and
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Speaker 1: rugged and it's horrible.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about it.
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Speaker 12: It's not much different for us. If she's twenty one
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Speaker 12: or thirty five. Everything has been flipped for her. The
26:12
Speaker 12: paranoia is real. The drugs they were giving them is real.
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Speaker 12: The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to
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Speaker 12: go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in
26:22
Speaker 12: law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says. You
26:25
Speaker 12: believe this person that's been beaten you, there's been drugging you,
26:29
Speaker 12: that's been sexually assaulting you, is still in control of you,
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Speaker 12: even if they've been taken to jail.
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Speaker 2: I think I hear Lee Reeber joining me. Lee? Is
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Speaker 2: that you? Who am I hearing?
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Speaker 9: This? Is Don Schilder again. I don't think I am
26:43
Speaker 9: a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what
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Speaker 9: I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.
26:48
Speaker 9: I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,
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Speaker 9: being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution,
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Speaker 9: being forced into crime.
26:58
Speaker 8: I did all of that.
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Speaker 9: I know that is a life sentence. So I feel
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Speaker 9: you and I hear you on that on a big level,
27:04
Speaker 9: on a big level, and I do care about these
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Speaker 9: women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing,
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Speaker 9: I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious.
27:13
Speaker 9: That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even
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Speaker 9: more insulting to survivors and the victims who are still
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Speaker 9: out there scared to death to speak up. I want
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Speaker 9: to speak for them, and I do speak for them.
27:23
Speaker 9: I lived that. I know exactly what it feels like.
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Speaker 9: You don't know you're a victim when you are coming
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Speaker 9: out of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that
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Speaker 9: you did it to yourself if you consented to all
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Speaker 9: of that. That's part of the tactics that they use.
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Speaker 9: That's part of the way that these women are trapped.
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Speaker 9: I do care for them, and I thank you for
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Speaker 9: caring for them as well, I think that's important to hear.
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Speaker 9: But I also wanted to let you know because I
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Speaker 9: didn't think it was heard before that I am a
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Speaker 9: survivor of all of these atrocities and more.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody like you, like me, like Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: like all of us on this panel can sit back,
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Speaker 1: and I mean it could drive you crazy, because while
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Speaker 1: you're having your morning coffee or your tea, or driving
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Speaker 1: your children to school, this is happening to these ladies.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear. Everybody on the panel. Greg
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Speaker 1: Algrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber. Greg
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Speaker 1: high profile international lawyer with the US dash Inmax Law Group.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this more of the messages and the misogynistic
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Speaker 1: hate spewed.
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Speaker 2: By this alleged sex trafficker.
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Speaker 1: This is in his wor room instructs members to quote
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Speaker 1: punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having
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Speaker 1: her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader,
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Speaker 1: called a general, describes how he hit a woman in
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Speaker 1: the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something.
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Speaker 1: The woman who worked for him then went in the
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Speaker 1: room and were seven hours without a break. It goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on about how to beat and
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Speaker 1: control women to perform pornographic acts group sex, many online,
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Speaker 1: many on screen.
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Speaker 2: Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg.
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Speaker 1: A lot of what I know from these alleged messages
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Speaker 1: of Andrew Tates I can't bring myself to repeat on
29:30
Speaker 1: the air.
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Speaker 2: But let me ask you, what can the US do
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Speaker 2: about it?
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Speaker 1: Because there are so many victims here, I believe, including
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Speaker 1: one victim whose name has somehow been linked, and all
29:44
Speaker 1: these a holes working for Tait or working under Tait
29:50
Speaker 1: have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what are we going to do about it?
29:57
Speaker 2: And what can we do about it?
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Speaker 13: Sure, the situation is just it's it's so outrageous that
30:03
Speaker 13: it cries out for legal accountability. And I think, you know,
30:10
Speaker 13: eventually it has to catch up with all of them
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Speaker 13: in a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen
30:20
Speaker 13: by birth of the United States, and so he can
30:23
Speaker 13: flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship.
30:27
Speaker 13: And that means the US, with his network of mutual
30:32
Speaker 13: legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps,
30:38
Speaker 13: you know, it's a question of sort of capturing the
30:40
Speaker 13: attentional law enforcement. But the US has the means to
30:44
Speaker 13: catch up with it wherever he is and ensure there's
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Speaker 13: some legal accountability. So it needs to happen a lot
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Speaker 13: of times. It's very, very slow, it's bureaucratic, but it's
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Speaker 13: a process that is it can be virtually impossible to
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Speaker 13: escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll see
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Speaker 13: sooner rather than later, that legal accountability. There's a structure
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Speaker 13: for it. It just needs to be engaged.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand while the US is sitting on its thumbs,
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Speaker 1: got any insight into that, Greg.
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Speaker 13: No, I don't. But you know, a lot of times
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Speaker 13: there's a great deal of legal work that's going on
31:23
Speaker 13: that is, you know, it's sealed, it's off the record,
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Speaker 13: it's not public, and you know, perhaps one's arrest warrants
31:31
Speaker 13: are issued, one's arrests are made, or initial please are
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Speaker 13: made the stuff becomes public. I would think that there's
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Speaker 13: stuff going on behind the scenes. For example, the US
31:42
Speaker 13: in Romania have a mutual legal assistance treaty that goes
31:46
Speaker 13: about nearly twenty years. I think the machinery has probably
31:50
Speaker 13: been engaged, and there's stuff it works that just simply
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Speaker 13: isn't public yet.
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Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I pray that you're right. Time
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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is joining US guys renowned international attorney. I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear this. Caitlin Becker joining US senior
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Speaker 1: porterdalon maail dot com Andrew take Quote told rape victim
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Speaker 1: he would get her pregnant, lock her away, allegedly find
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Speaker 1: webcam workers that started crying during sex acts on webcam
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Speaker 1: and tried to coerce them into group sex and then
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Speaker 1: they started crying, and so he punished them. This is
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Speaker 1: his business that is making five million dollars a month.
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Speaker 1: One victor claims Tate tried to force her to have
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Speaker 1: group sex and said shut up horror when she tried
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Speaker 1: to object. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages of
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Speaker 1: reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women. One
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Speaker 1: woman tells prosecutors Tate, now thirty six, would rape her
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Speaker 1: while holding her head so as she couldn't move, and
33:27
Speaker 1: threatened to get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. He would take her clothes and
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Speaker 1: shoes away from her and continue to beat her. Shut
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Speaker 1: up horror, you will do as I say. I mean,
33:43
Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, and I'm reading
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Speaker 1: you only portions of what I know. Caitlin Becker, there
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Speaker 1: are US victims. What is wrong with US prosecutors? What
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Speaker 1: are the FEDS doing?
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Speaker 8: As you just heard, I don't know, As you just heard,
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Speaker 8: I don't know what they're doing. And we don't see
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Speaker 8: what's going on behind closed doors. But from where I'm
34:08
Speaker 8: sitting and from the investigative work that we have done,
34:10
Speaker 8: because we have covered this a lot, it doesn't look
34:12
Speaker 8: like they are doing anything to necessarily protect these US victims.
34:19
Speaker 8: And at least one of the victims has been docked
34:23
Speaker 8: online and docting is the act of having your personal
34:27
Speaker 8: information revealed. And this is happening to these women who
34:32
Speaker 8: were already allegedly victimized repeatedly by Andrew Tate and his brother.
34:38
Speaker 8: They're now being harassed by the followers, by the sort
34:44
Speaker 8: of cadre of toxic masculinity that has followed Andrew Kate
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Speaker 8: around for years. They are now getting together and essentially
34:53
Speaker 8: trolling and bullying these victims. And certainly, we from our perspective,
34:58
Speaker 8: have tried everything we can to protect their identities when
35:01
Speaker 8: we're reporting on this. But you can't stop these men
35:06
Speaker 8: who are in this for pay for play group where
35:10
Speaker 8: they are given access to this information. And the things
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Speaker 8: Andrew Kat has said to these women in these messages,
35:17
Speaker 8: these alleged horrific things that you just read, they don't
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Speaker 8: surprise me and they don't shock me because what he
35:23
Speaker 8: said publicly isn't much better. That's the type of person
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Speaker 8: he is. He created this multi million dollar business off
35:32
Speaker 8: of bullying women. So the fact that his followers are
35:36
Speaker 8: now bullying the victims and the fact that these are
35:38
Speaker 8: the things that he said aren't surprising. I feel like
35:41
Speaker 8: we should have gone after the Andrew Kates of the
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Speaker 8: world when they were just saying these things, and maybe
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Speaker 8: we wouldn't have gotten to this point. I mean, you
35:49
Speaker 8: don't want to stop someone.
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Speaker 1: Many of these women, apparently Caitlin Our, promise love a marriage,
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Speaker 1: and then they are transported, many of them to Romania
35:59
Speaker 1: where they are gang rape, sex exploited, and subjected to
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Speaker 1: physical violence. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
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Speaker 1: pages of reported violence to Lee Reaber, a forensic expert,
36:14
Speaker 1: CEO of Oxygen Forensics, author of Mobile Forensics investigations and
36:19
Speaker 1: podcast Forensic Happy Hour and you can find them at
36:22
Speaker 1: oxygen Forensic dot com. Lee, how can the US get
36:27
Speaker 1: involved since apparently the other countries are spineless? Hey, but
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Speaker 1: at lea's Romania got an indictment. We've done nothing. Even
36:36
Speaker 1: Romania is doing a better job than we are.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I think it might come down to
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Speaker 14: what they don't want to find. But it's relatively easy
36:44
Speaker 14: well to extract that entire channel. To note that Telegram
36:50
Speaker 14: channel still open as of today. To note yesterday September sixth,
36:55
Speaker 14: they had like nine hundred and thirty nine people subscribed
36:58
Speaker 14: and today looking at that channe know there's nine hundred
37:00
Speaker 14: and forty seven people subscribe, So quite interesting that it
37:05
Speaker 14: want it's still open. However, the federal law enforcement would
37:09
Speaker 14: be able to one seize that channel really and begin
37:14
Speaker 14: the investigation by collecting the digital data. However, using Telegram,
37:20
Speaker 14: Telegram you can have your messages delete after three days
37:27
Speaker 14: one day immediately after being read, and that makes it
37:30
Speaker 14: difficult as well. It also makes it difficult the jurisdiction
37:34
Speaker 14: being Telegram is a Russian owned company and communication is
37:39
Speaker 14: done there, and you now have that issue with trying
37:41
Speaker 14: to obtain it. However, it's there are various means to
37:45
Speaker 14: collect information from any cloud service having specific information, and
37:50
Speaker 14: it seems as though the release of the twelve thousand
37:52
Speaker 14: pages that they either have someone on the inside that
37:56
Speaker 14: can gives them access and gives them potentials.
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Speaker 1: One victim reports a take coworker, a henchman threatens to
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Speaker 1: quote break her teeth that she would end up in
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Speaker 1: the morgue. The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam
38:17
Speaker 1: business allege their income is controlled by the Tates. They
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Speaker 1: are fined or punished if they start crying during a
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Speaker 1: sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take
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Speaker 1: too long on a break. One victim claims she was
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Speaker 1: told she was loved and promised marriage, then was coerced
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Speaker 1: into having group sex.
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Speaker 2: She refused. It just goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: I'm deeply disappointed the FEDS have not acted on behalf
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Speaker 1: of the US victims.
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Speaker 2: At the very least.
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Speaker 12: I'm really shocked that irins it involved. I mean, they
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Speaker 12: can get in without invitation.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, that's a good idea, Cheryl McCollum.
39:04
Speaker 1: I mean, when the fens can't get you the irs can,
39:07
Speaker 1: which is a note to all regarding tax season.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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Speaker 12: But you know we've got the electronic means, we've got
39:14
Speaker 12: live victims, we've got patterns of abuse, we've got social
39:18
Speaker 12: medium videos. He's not hiding. Plus we have the money trail.
39:23
Speaker 12: So there's about eight different ways to go with this
39:25
Speaker 12: person to shut the whole thing down. And you know
39:29
Speaker 12: that includes people that have used debit cards and credit
39:32
Speaker 12: cards to join this membership. To me, let's pull the
39:34
Speaker 12: whole file. Let's start reaching out to these people saying, hey,
39:37
Speaker 12: we know who you are.
39:38
Speaker 1: Hey, I forgot to tell you something, Cheryl McCollum. Andrew
39:41
Speaker 1: Tate is now suing his accusers in the human trafficking case,
39:48
Speaker 1: including a Florida woman. This is another tool in his
39:53
Speaker 1: arsenal to sue the women that are accusing them, that
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Speaker 1: are accusing the Tates, the Tate brothers and all of
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Speaker 1: his Hinch people. For somebody that doesn't understand the legal system,
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Speaker 1: Greg Algren, that's a huge threat to get a lawsuit
40:13
Speaker 1: filed against you. And you think you're going to lose
40:16
Speaker 1: the little bit you've saved, your car, your house, everything
40:19
Speaker 1: you say for your children.
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Speaker 13: So Yeah, that's that's a major threat. Again, we have
40:25
Speaker 13: to wonder what's going on behind the scenes. The US
40:29
Speaker 13: and Romania have a usual legal assistance treaty, but you know,
40:33
Speaker 13: maybe the larger contacts here is influencing. Romania is a
40:39
Speaker 13: NATO member, you know, so perhaps on the government of
40:42
Speaker 13: the government level.
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Speaker 1: You know, did you really just say nay time member
40:46
Speaker 1: when women are getting riped right now?
40:48
Speaker 13: It's terrible, But I mean, maybe that explains the Maybe
40:51
Speaker 13: that explains the inaction on the part of the apparent
40:54
Speaker 13: in action on the on the part of US law enforcement.
40:58
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just Andrew Tate and his brothers and
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Speaker 1: all the defendants have insisted that they are innocent and
41:06
Speaker 1: have not done anything wrong.
41:08
Speaker 2: Some of them say they're being.
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Speaker 1: Targeted because they're so wildly popular and profitable that it's
41:13
Speaker 1: really I guess we're all just jealous, that that's why
41:17
Speaker 1: we're going after them.
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Speaker 2: They all say they're innocent.
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Speaker 1: They have not been proven guilty in a court of law,
41:24
Speaker 1: and under our constitution they are presumed innocent until proven
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Speaker 1: otherwise in court. We wait as justice and false tick talk.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye to