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Ep 480 The Power of Forgiveness: Letting Go of Anger and Resentment · Celeste The Therapist

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wonder why. That sucks. Let
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Oh, you have audio? OK. Wes, that's just you.
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Oh, OK. I'm
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over here troubleshooting. Man.
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It's good here? OK. YouTube is good. All right. I'm going to keep going.
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OK, cool. So you
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blame me? Of course you're going to blame me. No accountability, right? I
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could go into a whole topic about that, but I'm not I'll digress. My
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name is Celeste. I'm a therapist from Boston. I
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come on Wednesdays, 12 PM Eastern Standard Time to talk about things
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that people go through. And in my stories on
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Instagram, I share a lot, and
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I let people pick topics. And this came in number
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one, forgiveness. We're going to talk about forgiveness today. But if you don't know,
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the podcast episodes stream on all
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social media platforms, but also on audio podcasts. So
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last week, we talked about the body keeps the score. And,
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uh, that streaming now and, uh, the week prior
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to that, we talked about, uh, grieving the life of the grieving,
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the loss of the life you thought you'd have. Uh, so that was pretty
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powerful. Those are all streaming on our podcasting platform. So if
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you, um, are an audio listener, then
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you can check those episodes out. But today we're talking about forgiveness. Forgiveness
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is a subject that a lot of
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people struggle with. And before I start talking about that, I just want
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people to know that I'm not telling you you have to forgive because I've seen a
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lot of posts in where people, for them, the
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idea, the concept doesn't work. It doesn't work for them. And that's fine.
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So that means that this episode is 100% not for you. But
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these are for people that feel that they've allowed
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a lot of a huge subject. I know they've allowed a lot of
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their stuff from the past and
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it's still affecting them today. Uh, so my goal is
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to kind of give you another idea or mindset
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around like forgiveness and kind of like what
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that looks like. And I'm a very visual learner. So I always, uh,
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have slides, uh, when I do this podcast. Um, so when I think
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about what forgiveness is, uh, it says it's a con for people that are listening.
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Um, it's a conscious decision to let go of negative feelings
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such as anger, resentment and hostility towards someone
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who has harmed you. It's not just about accepting
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what's happened or stop being angry, but rather a
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voluntary change in your feelings and attitudes and behaviors. So
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when I think about the anger, resentment and hostility that comes up
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for people, It's a hard way to live life, right? Um,
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you know, things could have happened 20 years ago, 10 years
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ago, five years ago. And, uh, if you're finding
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yourself feeling so consumed by it, um, and
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not letting it go, um, that's really hard. And
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when I, I want you to think about why forgiveness is important. Cause I'm talking
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about this for a reason. I've been a therapist for a really long time. I've worked with
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people for a long time. I've had to forgive. I've
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held on to things. So I've realized the power in it. And again, if
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you are somebody that doesn't believe in it, this message isn't for you, clearly.
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But some of the reasons why it's important to work on forgiveness,
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forgiving people can help you heal emotionally and move on from past
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hurts. So when you're holding on to all this anger and
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resentment and other negative emotions, It can lead to
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stress, anxiety, and other physical health problems,
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right? Forgiveness can help release those negative emotions and
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allow you to feel more at peace. And for people listening,
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I got this from TrueMyIdentity.com, a
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blog post. when you are holding on
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to stuff. So when you think about some of the physical stuff you go through
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or people go through, a lot of times we only equate it to
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medical, like, oh, we got diabetes, high blood pressure, high
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cholesterol. We'll name those things, but we'll look
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at it only physically, right? We don't recognize how
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some of the baggage that we're carrying is sitting in
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our heart, is sitting in our bloodstreams. It's creating
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a lot of medical stuff from the fact that
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we're holding on. And when you think about,
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well, why should I forgive? I really want you to think about how
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when you work on releasing that stuff, it'll probably help
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some of the physical stuff that you have going on dismantle. Unforgiveness
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can actually turn into physical, yes, yeah. Literally,
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and I don't think people realize that how when you hold on to
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things, like physically, you can feel it. And if you're not in tune with
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your body, you don't even recognize that it's happening. And
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you're right, Miss Gentee, it's hard to forgive. And
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that's why, as I'm talking about this, it's not an overnight fix. It's
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a thing where, you know, if you listen to me or my podcast or anything I
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talk about, I say the mind believes what you tell it and it
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focuses on the things that's in your head, right? So if in
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your mind, like for instance, you're saying it's hard to forgive, which I agree in
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your mind, if you start focusing on, I want to
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work on releasing this, your mind's going to help you find
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ways to release it. If in your mind you stay, I
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can't believe this happened. I can't believe they did this to me. Your mind's going
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to keep putting, placing you in a victim space. Hey,
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Crystal, I'm so glad you're here. So that's why it's important. When
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you are able to forgive, it can help release a
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lot of the ailments that you are holding on
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to. But why is it so challenging, right? Because
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as you said, it's really challenging. For
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one, fear of getting hurt again, fear of feeling weak or foolish,
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or fear of intimacy from past trauma or emotional wounds,
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right? Sometimes, like, holding onto this has been part
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of your identity. If I forgive, does that mean that
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I'm weak? No, it doesn't mean that you're weak, right? Like, I need to
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hold on to this. Sometimes it's like a badge, right? Anger.
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You're still feeling anger and wanting to get even. I get
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it 100%. Like, wanting people
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to feel what you felt. Wanted that person to feel what you felt. It
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makes sense. You're human. Like, that's a rational mindset. I'm
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not saying that's irrational to feel that way. My
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point in talking about this is saying, continuing
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to stay in that space, it harms you, not
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the other person. Self-blame, blaming yourself
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for what happened, lack of remorse, this is a big one too.
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If the person who hurts you may not show remorse, that's
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really hard because it feels like some people will be like, oh,
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but they're walking around as if everything's okay. Or
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they seem like they're happy, especially if you still see them or you follow them
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on social media. right? And so you're looking at their highlighted reels
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and you're comparing it to all the pain you're feeling inside. And
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I just think about how you continue to harm
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yourself when you're looking for someone else to take the
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responsibility of where you're at. So what happened wasn't
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your fault, right? But when it comes to where you
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are in healing, it's kind of like you're looking for that person to
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heal you. I want to, um, share this like two minute clip
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from Will Smith. He, uh, I, I seen this a couple, a few years ago
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and I always share it with people. Um, when I'm talking about
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fault and responsibility, and I think it's gonna really help,
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um, you kind of reframe some things and, um,
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How do you start and where to begin? Yes. Yes. They
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are walking around like they did nothing. Yes. So I
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hear you. Right. And I understand. I have these conversations daily,
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so I completely understand where your mind goes. And
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I'm not saying that that person is is
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happy, I'm saying you don't know what is really going on
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in that person's world. Because again, you're only looking at the highlighted
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row. So I want
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to share this clip
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from Will Smith really
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I was just having a debate with a friend of mine, and
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we got stuck on the difference between fault and responsibility, she
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kept talking about how something was somebody's fault somebody's fault, and I was like it
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really don't matter whose fault it is that something is broken.
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not somebody's fault if their father was an abusive alcoholic,
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but it's for damn sure their responsibility to
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figure out how they're going to deal with those traumas and try to make a life out
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of it. It's not your fault if your partner cheated and
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ruined your marriage, but it is for damn sure your
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responsibility to figure out how to take that pain. and
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how to overcome that and build a happy life for
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yourself. Fault and responsibility do
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not go together. It sucks. But they don't. When
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something is somebody's fault, we want them to suffer.
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We want them punished. We want them to pay. We want it
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to be their responsibility to fix it. That's
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not how it works, especially when it's your heart. Your heart,
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your life, your happiness is your responsibility and
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your responsibility alone. As long as we're
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pointing a finger and stuck in
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whose fault something is, We're jammed
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and trapped into victim mode. When you're in victim mode, you
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are stuck in suffering. The road to power is in taking
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responsibility. Your heart, your life,
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your happiness is your responsibility and your
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So you know, when you hear that,
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you know, what he's saying around the fault and
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responsibility, I want to
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be clear that when you are not choosing
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to forgive that person, What's happening with your psyche
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a lot of times is that you start to put
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yourself in a victim mode. And so not just
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with that person or that situation, you're going to
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find yourself feeling like a victim in a lot of situations. You're
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going to find yourself feeling powerless because your mind is framing
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your body and everything around you as if you're a victim. When
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there's moments and situations where you're able to
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take responsibility, But it's hard for you to see that
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because your mind is so hyper focused on you being a victim. There
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are so many people that were victims that were neglected. So
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many things have happened, especially before you turn 18. And
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so your psyche was built around that trauma. and
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you could be 20, 30, 40, 50 years old, something
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happens that's unfortunately similar to what
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happened in the past. And what happens is your mind
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won't show you your responsibility. Your mind won't show you
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how you can change the way you are in that person's life.
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Your mind will keep you in the victim mentality and you'll find
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yourself feeling like you're on a rollercoaster wheel. And
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you'll find yourself always feeling down or
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always feeling like things are happening to you. That's a
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really hard way to live life. And so as you're thinking
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about this idea of forgiveness and you find yourself holding
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on to a lot of things, I want you to understand the fact that
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you're holding on to all of these things, it's causing
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you to look at life and look at people and look at
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situations in a way where you are not the
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person in power. And so if
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you want to change that, this is an area to work
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on. Now, another reason
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why we struggle with forgiveness, if you dwell on
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hurtful events or situation, grudges filled with resentment and hostility can
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take root. If you allow negative feelings
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to crowd out positive feelings, you might find yourself swallowed
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by bitterness or a sense of injustice. Some people
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are naturally more forgiving. So if you're not
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releasing the stuff that's happened, what's happening is like the root
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of your foundation is turning into a victim kind
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of mentality. Now, how to practice forgiveness, right?
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That was a question somebody had. And again, it's a daily practice
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and I want you to be mindful that it's not an overnight thing and that's okay. But
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when you're thinking about like, how can I practice forgiveness? One
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is acknowledging the situation. and naming your feelings
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and practicing self-compassion. A lot of times we're not
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naming our feelings. And when I talk about emotions, I'm going to just
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pull up this emotion chart. Uh, this is an emotion chart. You
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can Google emotion wheels. This is from beam. It's a black organization,
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um, that, um, has these emotions on a will. Um,
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if you Google, uh, feelings will, you'll find different variations of
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feelings will, We only know angry or happy,
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right? Our emotions are so complex. And
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if you have better language to talk about, like, you know what?
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I feel frustrated by what happened, or I feel jealous
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by X, Y, and Z. If you're actually naming these
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things and getting more specific with yourself, what
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you're allowing to happen is that you're allowing for your system
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to have more clarity on what's going on. I'll say like,
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if I start bleeding, I always use this example, if I start bleeding
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and my hands, and it's just like blood just starts coming, I'm
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going to be nervous because I don't know what's going on. If
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I got a paper cut, if I cut myself by accident and I start
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bleeding, yeah, it hurts, the pain is there, but I'm not freaking
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out because I know what's going on. When it comes to our emotions,
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because we haven't been taught how to work through them or how to
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work on them, what happens is all of
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us are feeling all these emotions, we're getting triggered,
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and we're responding off of that. So when you're
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able to name what you're feeling, name what happened, it
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releases it from you. If you're not naming that you feel jealous, if
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you're not naming that you feel frustrated, if you're not naming
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these things, you're gonna allow those emotions to have power
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over you and that you're not being fair to yourself. So
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letting it out is important. Again, holding onto things keeps
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you in a space of feeling like you're in pain
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all the time. Establishing clear boundaries.
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Sometimes some of the relationships around healing and
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forgiveness are people that you still have to work with, or maybe people
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you still have to see at family functions, or
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a parent, or a child, right? And
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so it would be, you know, some situations you
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could just be like, I'm all set with that person. I never want to see them again. And some
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situations, unfortunately, you have to still be in the same space
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with them. And so in those moments, you have to
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be mindful of establishing boundaries
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with that person. The boundaries are to protect you. And
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boundaries are really hard to do. But they're important. And
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so really being mindful, what's my boundary with this person? What am I
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going to allow and not allow because I'm no longer a victim, right? I
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have power over my situation. Leaning into
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empathy, if it's appropriate, right? Communicate
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to create closure if that's possible. And seeking support
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is always a great part. And
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then finding the lesson in reclaiming your power. And
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so when I talk about reclaiming your power, where
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you have power over your situation, but when I say finding
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the lesson in it, what does that mean? Forgiving is
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empowering. It allows you to release the power the
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offender holds over you, emotions, enabling you to regain control over
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your feelings and your life. So by forgiving, you're
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choosing peace over pain. Right? When
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I think about choosing peace over pain, you know, some people think you got to
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have the last word, or if they say this, I'm going to say that. Right? They're
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talking about me. I'm going to talk about them. Why engage in
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that energy? Energy is transferable. I don't think people realize this, the
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way you engage or the way you feel like you have to win. Right?
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So I'm holding on to this because it's really messed up what happened, and they shouldn't
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have did it. And you're talking about it. Years are going by. You're still
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talking about it. But also what's happening, is
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that you're finding yourself in stagnation. So
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when you're not choosing to forgive or let things go, you
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see the growth over stagnation, you can either grow from it,
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or you can stay in the same place. And also you can
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free yourself from resentment being
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resentful doesn't feel good. It ages you, right?
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It creates this thing in you where not only like physically
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it ages you, but inside it ages you because you're
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so constricted. If you're holding onto all this resentment and
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pain, how do you allow positivity in? If you're holding
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onto all this darkness and pain, How in the world do
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you allow the light in? How do you see the beauty in
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life? You don't see it. Everything feels dark. And
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then when the dark things happen and come, it just impacts you
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more. Your relationships, not forget the person that harm you,
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your relationships with other people are going to suffer because you're
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never going to see your role in the situation. You're always going to find yourself feeling like
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a victim. I want
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to show one more clip, right? Because sometimes
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analogies are helpful for us to, well,
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I know for me, and I know I'm not the only one, but I have
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a hard time conceptualizing things sometimes when I first learn it.
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And analogies really help me. I'll be like, OK, break it down like this.
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And it really helps me. I'm a slower learner. People would never
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know. But it takes me a while to grasp new information. So
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my friend Sean Marshall, I'm going to share a clip. where
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he gave this analogy. And then the last, before we, after
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that clip, I wanna just talk about the impact of forgiveness, like what it
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will do for you, because I think it's powerful. Like I'm
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asking you to do these things. And I think
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that when things are hard to do, if you keep the goal
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in mind, it helps you do it, right? If you want
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to work on losing weight
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because you're healthy, you don't wanna be on medication, When
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it's hard to get up and go take a walk, if you can
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think about, I'm doing this because I want to be able to move better,
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I want to be there for my grandchildren or my child, whatever it
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is, you hold that goal in mind. It keeps you in
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a position to keep pushing forward. So if you understand, like,
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Maybe you need to reframe your idea on what forgiveness is.
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Or maybe I need to think about me forgiving this
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person or the thing that happened is going to allow me
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to be free. It's going to allow me to experience life differently.
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Maybe that will allow me to keep pushing forward, even when it
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feels hard. So I'm going to share this clip really
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Share. All right. Where
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is it? Oh, okay. All
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Years old, I remember crossing the street to get to the ice
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cream truck. Remember those? And there was a limousine coming
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down the street. And I didn't see the limousine. I was trying to get to
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the ice cream truck. I got hit by the limousine. I lay
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there on the ground, mostly shocked by what was happening.
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I didn't get hit that hard. But the limousine driver immediately got
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out of the car, came over to check on me, offered to take me
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and my mother to the hospital, sat there. in the
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emergency room while I was evaluated, waited
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until I was checked out and sent home, took us back
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home and offered to do anything he possibly
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could to make sure that I was okay. The
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blessing of that situation is that the person who hurt
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me took responsibility and walked with me to
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make sure that I was okay. The reality is
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life doesn't always go that way. Many of us have been hurt by
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people who kept it moving. And you know what? We
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still are laying in the middle of the street. We're
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still stuck wherever we got hit, wherever we got hurt,
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waiting for the person who hurt us to come
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back and help us heal. I got a question for you. What if they're not coming? What
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if the person who hurt you, what if the person who harmed you, isn't
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coming back to help you. So many times we wait for
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people to come and apologize, for them to come and repent, and
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for them to come and help take responsibility for
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the ways in which they hurt us. But there are people who've hurt us who don't
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even know that they've hurt us. There are people who have hurt us who cannot, they
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don't have the capacity to take responsibility for
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the ways in which they hurt us. Guess what? I got some tough news
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for you. Even if they don't take responsibility for
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hurting you, you still have to take responsibility for
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So the analogy, you know,
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I thought it was powerful. He got hit by a limousine and
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the limousine driver stayed with them and made sure they were OK. And
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I use that analogy. You know, it wasn't
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his fault he got hit by the limousine. Right. The limousine driver could have drove
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off. Does he just sit there and wait for somebody
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to come save him? Um, if somebody
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comes and he says, no, no, no, I went the limousine driver because they're the
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one who harmed me. Literally, that's what happens when
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you are in the same space, you're stuck. Um,
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and you're missing out on life when that happens. And so
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the last slide I want to share is the impact of forgiveness, like how
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Is it going to help me if I work through this and start like kind of
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reframing the way I'm looking at it? So mental
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health, forgiveness can help reduce anxiety, depression
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and symptoms of trauma and improve your self-esteem. It
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can also help you feel more satisfied with your life. less
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hostile and angry. A lot of the anger and hostility
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that you may always find yourself feeling, you know, this, this
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people that, you know, people have come to me for anger management or
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people, they say, people say I'm an angry person. Excuse
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me. And as I work with them, I'm
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like, they're a hurt person, right? The anger
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and the hostility, they're masking it. The
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kindness and the person that they are is being masked
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by all the hostility and anger because they've been hurt. And
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so every relationship they have, not just intimate, but
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friendships, family, there's always this anger
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undertone or hostility that is coming out because Um,
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there's this mindset for your system. Your system is
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doing what it's designed to do. I've been hurt in the past. And so
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let me put up my guard because you're going to hurt me again.
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That's what my mind tells me, but my mind is designed to
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help me with life, but I have to work on navigating it.
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And if I'm not telling my mind that this is not the same situation, if
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I'm not releasing what's happening, all of my relationships are
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going to struggle. I'm going to find myself always feeling angry, always feeling
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hostile. So the hostility
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and being angry can improve your relationships. can
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improve stress. Stress is a killer. I don't know
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if people know this, you know, it's not by accident. If you look
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at zip codes and a lower socioeconomic status, meaning people, um,
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that, uh, you know, don't have a lot of money, health concerns, the
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death rate is, uh, lower. I mean, it's your, your
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age when you pass away is lower. than people in a higher socioeconomic
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status. The stress of, how am I going to pay my bills? The
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stress of being Black in America, especially
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for Black men, right? Or Black in the workplace. The
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stress really ages you. It keeps your system in
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high alert. And working on releasing things can allow
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for your stress to be really dismantled. So
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forgiveness can help relieve stress. A study found that increased forgiveness was
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associated with decreased stress. And then the
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biggest one is physical health, right? Lower blood pressure,
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stronger immune system, improved heart health.
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Those are just some of the ways that if you can work on
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forgiveness, you can find yourself feeling
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different overall. So I hope this was helpful. Understand
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that whether we're talking about today's topic
27:24
or any topic, there may be some things I talk about that doesn't sit
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with you or Like, you're like, nah, I'm all set with that. That's totally
27:30
fine. I'm not here. My message isn't for everyone. But
27:35
this is for someone. I know that. And the reason why
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the messages and the things that I talk about always hits
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home is because I've been doing this work for over 20 years.
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I work with people, all socioeconomic
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status, race. And the reality is,
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it's like, regardless of where we come from or our
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money situation, the issues and
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the things that we need to heal and to have peace
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are the same. Like I find myself saying things in
28:09
different ways, but the theme of it is the same. And
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so a lot of the topics that I talk about is because, you
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know, a lot of people are struggling in the same way. Um,
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this was amazing. I need to hear this. Yes. I'm glad. I'm glad it was helpful.
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Um, so understand forgiveness takes time. Don't
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beat yourself up, have compassion with yourself. Um, whether
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we're talking about forgiveness or any other subject, be mindful
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that, um, If you put your mind
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to something, it's not like people say, oh, I manifested it. When you put your
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mind to something, your mind is going to help you get the answers, right?
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I'm starting a group practice, never had people working under
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me before, and it feels scary. And if
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I sat in the fear, which is true, like things cannot work
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out, that's true. If I sit in that, my mind is
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going to keep showing me ways that it's not going to work out. But
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if I say, OK, it may not work out, but then we never
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explore the other side. We'll say, what if this doesn't work out?
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And then we sit, and there's a period. We never say comma, but
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what if it does? And so for me, with anything that
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I do, what if it does is the thing that I dwell on.
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And so because I'm dwelling on it, I can control where my
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mind goes. Because I'm dwelling on it, my mind is showing me
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the possibilities. And so that's so important to understand.
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Hey, LaDonna. All right. Bye, Crystal. Hey, Carolyn. Hey,
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Chad. So I will see you guys next Wednesday, 12 p.m.
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Eastern Standard Time. And this episode will be streaming on
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