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Normally Podcast: The Double Standards in Political Commentary · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys. Here we are back on normally the show
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  Speaker 1: with normalist takes for when the news gets weird, and
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  Speaker 1: it's really weird because we're a week before election day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mary Katherine Ham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going, MK, It's good.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I do not work on a campaign, so I
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  Speaker 1: have the luxury of being able to sort of take
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  Speaker 1: a moment with my family. Election. Yeah, so thank you
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  Speaker 1: to all those doing the work out there that is
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  Speaker 1: not the work that I'm doing. I got to goof
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  Speaker 1: off and hang out with the Travis Mannon Foundation for
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  Speaker 1: the Marine Corps Marathon dinner. I did not run, though
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  Speaker 1: those crazy people are trying to talk to me in
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  Speaker 1: it for next year. And the kids were off with dad,
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  Speaker 1: riding around in like little baby ATVs and meeting ducks
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  Speaker 1: and goofing off outside building fires. We got to teach
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  Speaker 1: them to do that nice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they seem like they were having a really good time.
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  Speaker 1: They were having a very good time. He put them in.
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  Speaker 1: He put the babies in overalls with no shirts, which
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  Speaker 1: I thought was really a look that's the look.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody didn't know I was right of center. They
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  Speaker 1: could look at the kids in the overalls with these
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  Speaker 1: shirts and be like, Okay, yeah, we got it.
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  Speaker 2: We know where this family stands.
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  Speaker 1: What about you.
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  Speaker 5: I was in Texas with my family. We were in
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  Speaker 5: San Antonio and then briefly in Austin. It was fantastic
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  Speaker 5: and we were there to see Billy Joel. But I
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  Speaker 5: have a history buff Son, so got to see the
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  Speaker 5: Alamo and that was really interesting, really cool. Davy Crockett
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  Speaker 5: all about it. Learned a lot, and yeah, it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. Political season in Florida and political
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  Speaker 5: season in Texas should be pretty similar. But I was
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  Speaker 5: in kind of left leaning areas, so you did see
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  Speaker 5: quite a few Harris Wall signs. But in the center
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  Speaker 5: of Austin like this house is just asking to be
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  Speaker 5: egged or something.
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  Speaker 2: There's like, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, noa Kamala with the K being a hammer and sickle,
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  Speaker 5: and then like make America Healthy Again sign, which is
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  Speaker 5: you know, the Robert F. Kennedy version of MAGA, and
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  Speaker 5: they were They're just doing it loud and proud.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I like to see that on both sides. I like
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  Speaker 1: to see that in areas where you are the minority,
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  Speaker 1: because we should live in a country where you should
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing that in my old But did I
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  Speaker 1: ever do it in my old neighborhood where was very
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  Speaker 1: little I'm not sure. I Look, I was very outspoken publicly,
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  Speaker 1: but not not in my lot lawn where my property
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  Speaker 1: was so right.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, brave evil out there. It's interesting because so I'm
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  Speaker 1: in Virginia. I'm actually in a competitive district of Virginia
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  Speaker 1: this weekend, so there's a lot of activity here. You're
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  Speaker 1: in Texas. These are not two places that are considered
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  Speaker 1: battleground states. Nonetheless, they are places that are getting visits
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  Speaker 1: from presidential candidates in the last week of an election.
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  Speaker 2: Do I think it's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it used to be that that would tell you
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  Speaker 1: a lot of information. Right now, some campaigns are feeling
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  Speaker 1: themselves a little too much, right and they're like, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to go George Bush. I can't remember it was
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  Speaker 1: at two thousand, went to California right at the end,
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  Speaker 1: to be like, look, we're putting down a steak California.
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  Speaker 1: We're feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: When did he win California?
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  Speaker 1: And did he win California. No, he did. Likelihood is
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  Speaker 1: that's not happening. So this is probably what's happening with
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  Speaker 1: say Trump going to Virginia. But there is some polling
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  Speaker 1: in Virginia that looks closer than it should be, right,
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  Speaker 1: And also Governor Younkin, the competent Republican governor of the state,
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  Speaker 1: has a good operation here that has turned out rural
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  Speaker 1: voters at huge numbers and is turning out Republicans in
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  Speaker 1: large numbers for early voting, So that may be the
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  Speaker 1: reason for that. On the other hand, Kamala is in Texas.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and we saw a lot of all read ads
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  Speaker 5: in Texas. I mean, he's definitely trying for Ted Cruz
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  Speaker 5: a seat, and I guess that's the motivation there maybe
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  Speaker 5: some house seats well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I was trying to figure out this
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  Speaker 1: Houston rally for Kamala Harris, like what's going on here
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  Speaker 1: A couple things. I think there is some thought that
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  Speaker 1: eventually Texas could be an emerging purplish blue state right
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  Speaker 1: or at least purplish right, and so they want to
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  Speaker 1: kind of reinforce that. I think they needed somewhere. They
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  Speaker 1: wanted somewhere that they could do abortion messaging. Texas is
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  Speaker 1: a heartbeat built state, and it's like Beyonce's hometown.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's really it.
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  Speaker 4: They just wanted Beyonce to show up, and so.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So what's interesting is she did show up your you know,
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  Speaker 5: the whole she doesn't really show up, but then she
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  Speaker 5: didn't perform, which angered a lot of attendees.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I almost wondered if that is that better or
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  Speaker 1: worse not showing up at all. I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: better than lying to people and telling them she's going
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  Speaker 1: to show up and then she doesn't show up. But
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  Speaker 1: she did. You know, a lot of the media hype
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  Speaker 1: again was that she was coming to perform, so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people thought they were going to a mini
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  Speaker 1: Beyonce concert, right, And they didn't get a mini Beyonce concert.
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  Speaker 1: They got a short speech from Kelly Roland, who, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, story of her life. People even talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she spoke there right overshadowed for far
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  Speaker 1: too long. Yeah, and then Beyonce takes the stage and
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  Speaker 1: gives a three minute speech. She says, I'm not here's
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity, here's a mom. I don't have any issue
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  Speaker 1: with the speech per se. It's like a pretty rote
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  Speaker 1: political speech, but it does seem like you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: letting people down a bit.
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  Speaker 4: At that moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 5: And look, you know, it's funny because over the weekend,
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  Speaker 5: of course we'll talk about it. But Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 5: his rally in Madison Square Garden and they're not tricking
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  Speaker 5: any into coming to Madison Square Gardens.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have hul Kogan there.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's not there's no you know, come here
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  Speaker 5: to hear Kid Rock play, none of that, Right, it's
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  Speaker 5: very much come here to hear the candidate. And he's
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  Speaker 5: able to fill Medisine Square Garden that way. And she
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  Speaker 5: has to say that Beyonce will be there in order
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  Speaker 5: to get people to come down to her rally in Houston,
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  Speaker 5: And it's really a tell.
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  Speaker 1: I have a theory, by the way, about Beyonce and
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  Speaker 1: not performing, which is that so Taylor Swift and Beyonce
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  Speaker 1: are the two top performers in the world basically at
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  Speaker 1: this point, right, Yeah, but the news cycle and the
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  Speaker 1: Eras tour has certainly favored Taylor as the top woman
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  Speaker 1: in this ranking for the past year and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I think Beyonce is like Taylor endorsed Harris, but she's
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  Speaker 1: not coming anywhere near this. I get paid a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money to perform. I'm not going to be performing
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  Speaker 1: for free or for a cut rate for Corobla Harris
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  Speaker 1: when Taylor ain't going.
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  Speaker 2: To do that, right, And there's a lot you know
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 5: Also, Beyonce's in a questionable news cycle right now with
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  Speaker 5: the P Diddy stuff. I think that she's getting a
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  Speaker 5: lot of unfair criticism because you know, she's not the
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  Speaker 5: one having the parties. But there's a lot of like
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  Speaker 5: Beyonce New Beyonce is involved Beyonce, you know all of that.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of like you have to bow before
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  Speaker 5: Beyonce in order to survive in the music industry. She's
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  Speaker 5: just she's getting a lot of negativity and I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe she agreed to endorse before this news cycle began
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  Speaker 5: because it actually doesn't fit with what's going on right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's laying low in a lot of ways
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  Speaker 5: because again of the P Didty stuff, which again I
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  Speaker 5: find unfair, But is that that is what's going on
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  Speaker 5: with her right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been a shift that she used to
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  Speaker 1: be a person you basically weren't allowed to have negative
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  Speaker 1: feelings about or say anything enough, And I think that
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  Speaker 1: has shifted a bit, as it should not to be
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  Speaker 1: unfair to her, but just like people should be able
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  Speaker 1: to express that like, maybe a Beyonce album is not
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  Speaker 1: the revelation that everyone else thinks it is.
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  Speaker 2: Without didn't love the Country album, did you?
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  Speaker 1: I actually did. I was not a hater on the
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  Speaker 1: country album, although that on that single was so catchy
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  Speaker 1: as to be obnoxious after a little while.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love Beyonce's music. I am a big
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  Speaker 5: Beyonce fan. I've gotten into country in the last few years.
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  Speaker 5: I did not love the country album. I you know,
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  Speaker 5: I love her other music, but the country album did
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  Speaker 5: not do it for me as a new country fan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sort of obnoxiously middle of the road on
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  Speaker 1: both Taylor Swift and Beyonce, like I like them most
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  Speaker 1: of the time. I don't have big feelings.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Taylor's grown on me. Having a fourteen year old daughter,
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  Speaker 5: it's hard not to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the beginning of that road, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: I'll be in my feelings guys as we move forward. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Trump's weekend. Trump held a rally
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  Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden, as you noted, and a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things so that it's an interesting lineup. It's Dana White,
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  Speaker 1: head of the UFC, It's doctor Phil, It's Lee Greenwood
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  Speaker 1: is of course singing, and they all come together Tucker
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  Speaker 1: Carlson speaking. Like you said, it's all sort of campaign affiliated.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as many celebrity types, although Paul Kokin is
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  Speaker 1: certainly an icon in his zone.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They fill the place. And let's first talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it's classified in media in this way. So
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  Speaker 1: here's an MSNBC chiron. Trump's Madison Square Garden rally comes
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  Speaker 1: eighty five years after pro Nazi rally at famed venue. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and here's Larry Sabato, who used to be a pretty
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  Speaker 1: well respected University of Virginia political science professor who could
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  Speaker 1: be trusted on election issues. But I'll let you judge
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  Speaker 1: whether you should trust him. Further, I love historical documentaries.
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  Speaker 1: I'm currently watching one about the nineteen thirty nine pro
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  Speaker 1: Nazi rally Madison Square Garden. Oh wait, it's a live
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  Speaker 1: Trump rally. My bad.
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: That is a crazy thing to say, and I think
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  Speaker 5: they need to be called out on it, you know. Actually, So,
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  Speaker 5: I saw Billy Joel over the weekend in Texas and
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  Speaker 5: Ilia Shapiro was there as well. But Ilia tweeted he said,
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  Speaker 5: those who like in Trump to Hitler and the MSG
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  Speaker 5: rally to the Nazi rally isn't just smearing Trump but
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  Speaker 5: minimizing Hitler Nazis, which, given the antisemitic nature of the
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  Speaker 5: progressive left, may well be the point. He also tweeted,
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  Speaker 5: so what the Nazis had a rally there, Billy Joel
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  Speaker 5: had concerts there.
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  Speaker 2: What's your point?
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  Speaker 1: Basically right, I'm so surprised that Billy Joel did one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Nazi reenacts at Madison Square Garden.
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  Speaker 4: A nice Jewish boy from Long Island.
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  Speaker 1: Silly, crazy, No, I think these are insane people thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I really do, and I try to generally understand the
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  Speaker 1: takes of those in opposition to me in politics, but
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  Speaker 1: I do think this one is really off the wall.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, just to nitpick, I don't think Madison
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  Speaker 1: Square Garden building is even the same building as the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, or maybe that you with your facts.
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  Speaker 2: Mary cassutation, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the idea that this is invoking that instead
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  Speaker 1: of is oh I don't know, entire life lived in
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  Speaker 1: New York City.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: It could be that. It could be that that he
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  Speaker 1: was here.
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  Speaker 2: It might be that angle not the Nazi.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, you know, there's also the point that there were
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  Speaker 5: a lot of pro Israel comments made that you know,
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  Speaker 5: at the rally. I saw Jews rapping to fill in,
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  Speaker 5: which is a religious practice, and Israeli flags.
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  Speaker 2: It was a very welcoming event for Jews.
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  Speaker 5: And it's kind of absurd that that, again, that minimization
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  Speaker 5: that Elias talking about is acceptable.
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  Speaker 2: It really shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and we've been watching for more than a year now,
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  Speaker 1: crowds gather with terrorist organization flags, with chants that literally
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  Speaker 1: for the elimination of Jews, things projected on buildings calling
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  Speaker 1: for martyrdom, checkpoints for Jewish students at UCLA, right, and
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  Speaker 1: those things, somehow are not called Nazi rallies. They're not
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  Speaker 1: even called Charlottesville, which I think is a fair comparison. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but this has become the thing that is a Nazi event.
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  Speaker 1: While you see actual Israel flags in the crowd, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: This is just crazy talk to me, right.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like permitted, You're allowed to say these insane things.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that that really only happens on the left.
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  Speaker 5: Only the left allowed to say outlandish, insane things and
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  Speaker 5: not have their careers ruined, you know, like Alarry Sabato
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  Speaker 5: of the right would be shun I actually buy people
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  Speaker 5: on the right too, right, it would be like think
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  Speaker 5: pieces by moderate rightists.
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  Speaker 4: I was saying, like, I don't stand with this, and
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  Speaker 4: this is unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: Where where is that from the left?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Well?
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  Speaker 1: And in addition to the so that's one story coming
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  Speaker 1: out of this right and this was basically, I think
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  Speaker 1: an attempt to do sort of a mini RNC event
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  Speaker 1: in New York City towards the end of this campaign. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I think that it looked like maybe the people who
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  Speaker 1: planned the extraordinarily successful RNC should have been more involved
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  Speaker 1: in this one. Yeah, because you had some things that
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  Speaker 1: did not hit the right notes, including a roast comic
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  Speaker 1: from Texans who told some mean jokes about as roast
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  Speaker 1: comics do about Puerto Rico, Puerto Rican's hispanics, right, And
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  Speaker 1: I believe there was some kind of joke about Puerto
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  Speaker 1: Rico being an island of trash right and okay, so
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  Speaker 1: a mitigating that he's a comic, like that's like, let's
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  Speaker 1: just put that out there. He's not saying this stuff
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  Speaker 1: with a like means it sincerely. But I think when
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  Speaker 1: you have the happy vibes going on, as they did
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  Speaker 1: for several weeks, putting mean comic on stage, who makes
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  Speaker 1: me joke?
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  Speaker 4: Miss?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that doesn't work for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was a miss.
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  Speaker 5: But of course the hysteria from the left is I mean,
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  Speaker 5: come on, like, you're not that offended by that joke.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's something to grab onto. It's when you're
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  Speaker 5: on campaigns, they call it the magic bullet. You're always
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  Speaker 5: looking for the magic bullet that will take out the
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  Speaker 5: other candidate. Bad joke for the Trump you know, in
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  Speaker 5: the Trump era with the two assassination attempts, but that
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  Speaker 5: is what it's called in campaign and they seem to
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  Speaker 5: think that this joke is the magic bullet.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they are suffering with Hispanic and Latino voters. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, hey, don't take off Hispanic
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  Speaker 1: voters a week before the election with dumb jokes. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: I also think that people who are inclined to vote
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  Speaker 1: for Trump probably aren't the kind of people who change
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  Speaker 1: their minds over that's right, bad jokes, because part of
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  Speaker 1: the allure of Trump is to be in a different
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  Speaker 1: place where we don't take offense to every single joke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I could be wrong about this. I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 4: It could be new voters who would take a second look.
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  Speaker 5: But I agree with you largely is that Trump is
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  Speaker 5: the candidate of joking.
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  Speaker 2: Is okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, even at the expense of different groups, even at
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  Speaker 5: the expense of different you know, territories and states.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this is all okay. And I know I hate
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  Speaker 4: the whole this is racist, Like, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe it's anti Puerto Rican, but to anti Puerto Rico,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not racist. This joke could be made about
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  Speaker 5: Australia and that would be the same and there's nothing
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  Speaker 5: race based about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it's worth noting that George Lopez on the
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  Speaker 1: trail made a joke about I'm going to laugh at
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  Speaker 1: it because importantly it was a better joke. It is
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  Speaker 1: a better cast.
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  Speaker 2: That is important.
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  Speaker 1: Ye Es, if you're funny, you're gonna get away with
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  Speaker 1: more that's it, Lopez said, when Trump was talking about
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  Speaker 1: building the wall, He's on the trail for Harris Walls.
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  Speaker 1: When you're talking about building the wall, he said, you'd
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  Speaker 1: better build that in one day because the immigrants are
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  Speaker 1: going to come steal your construction supplies.
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  Speaker 2: So canceled. We'll be right back on normally.
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  Speaker 1: I hate the environment where it's fine for them to
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  Speaker 1: have these rallies at Columbia that actually do call for
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  Speaker 1: the elimination of Jews. But this gathering of Jews and
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  Speaker 1: Hispanics and black voters and all types in Madison Square
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  Speaker 1: Garden is a Nazi rally. And telling a joke, a
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  Speaker 1: bad joke that offends people on the right is bad,
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  Speaker 1: But telling a bad joke or a mean joke on
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  Speaker 1: the left is fine.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's you know, that's the way it goes, the double standard.
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  Speaker 1: Shall we hear a little bit about from doctor phil
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  Speaker 1: who was at the rally. I was surprised that he
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  Speaker 1: gave the speech. Millennia also spoke as well, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a surprise.
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  Speaker 6: Tell you what the critics are going to say when
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: they hear me talking about this, They're going to say, well, now,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: wait a minute, come on, is it Trump a bully
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: and let me tell you why. The answer to that
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: question is no, because to be a bully, there has
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: to be an imbalance of power, and when there's not,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: it's just called a debate. And he's just better at
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: it than anybody else.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: He also said at one point, he's like, I know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood, if you come out and do this all
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're gonna have no job. But for me,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't need one.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It's good for him.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I often think that these people
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: in safe positions like adoptor Phil type should be more outspoken.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: You have nothing to worry about, just say what you think.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Uncancellable people are very important to our society.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta have.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: You gotta have Elon Musk too much, you sure? Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle's who talented to be canceled Doctor Phil got
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: his Oprah money and ran with it and made the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: best that he could out of it, and he didn't
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: need j all anymore. Dave Ramsey is another good example.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: He's not going to lose his giant audience. He's never
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: been part of the mainstream to begin with.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Joe Rogan, I mean obviously.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of shall we play a clip from that?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Trump sat down for three hours with Joe Rogan. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: have listened not to all three hours of it, but
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I have listened to it, and I thought he came
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: across interesting, a little like pretty low key. He was conversational.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Trump and Rogan seemed to enjoy him. I do think
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that if Kamala were asked to do a three hour
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: conversation that probably wouldn't go well. I listened to her
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: on Brene Brown, which is kind of the these are
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the mirrored existences of these campaigns. She's going on BRENEI.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Brown talking to women, He's going on Joe Rogan talking
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to men. She went on Brene Brown, and I will
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: say she finally found an interviewer who will hear her
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: word souad and say that is so powerful. Right, But
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really change that it's word salad. But you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Trump and Rogan went down some weird roads though.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: That's the Rogan show, right, that is the Rogan experience.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I kind of liked they talked about, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he talked about getting to the White House and how
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: it actually did impact him, sort of the view from
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the outside is, Oh, this guy's been everywhere, all these
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: luxurious places. He comes to the White House. What does
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that mean to him? And he talked about sort of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: being it's so beautiful. He kept going on about how
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: beautiful it is and the Lincoln bedroom and how long
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Lincoln's bed was, and then he went into some history
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: about he said. He talked about how they lost their son, Tat,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: his name was Tat, and they both suffered from They
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: didn't call it depression, they suffered from melancholy. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and he kept saying it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, it definitely affected him.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what's so interesting is that Donald Trump
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: does have another gear and he got to show it
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: on Rogan. And that's what Rogan is all about. That
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: is what people go on Rogan to do. They go
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: on it to be like, you know me, but here's
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: three hours of me and this is where my mind
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: goes and this is what I get into, and this
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: is the random knowledge I have.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I think Trump did it, and good for him. You know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: we talked about it before on here, but Kamala should
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: do it. She should do it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: And the fact that she, you know, kept flirting with
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: the idea. But now it looks like she's definitely not
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: doing it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Rogan even said he would be fair to her. He
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: wants to have a conversation. It's interesting that she doesn't think.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: She has to. Well, Rogan is not a mean interviewer. Sure,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: yeah'll ask some probing questions, but he's not coming at you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: That's rights probably high.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You know, my people are nice, right right.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think look, and I also just like
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: long form in general because it lets people air out
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: their thoughts and you learned interesting things. One of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: things I think that's a reason they shouldn't have had
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: this comic, by the way, is because you've had so
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: many of these humanizing moments from Trump where he has
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: been a better version of himself in the last couple
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of weeks, and to have him have to take responsibility
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for something that wasn't him going rogue is not what
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you want. Here is Rogan and Trump going down one
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of the strange paths that they went down about whales
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and windmills.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: How about in New Jersey. Off the coast of New Jersey,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: they want to build that people are going crazy, not
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to build them.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: But we have them.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: The whales are washing up on shore right, So in
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: fifty years they had one whale come ashore, now they
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: had like eighteen come into last year.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: What is the what is happening with the whales? I've
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: read about this.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: it's a vibration because you have those you know those
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: things that fifty story buildings, some of them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: Right, and they're super sensitive to vibration.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: They have those.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: You know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know what
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: it is. I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: drives the whales freakin crazy, and something happens with them.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shure
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and you know, and yet the environment, the environments, they
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: don't talk about it. I think there's nothing uglier. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: see it in Scotland, I see it all.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: Over the world.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: You have this beautiful valley, it's been there for you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: in civilization thousands of years, but millions of years, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: He cares about this issue this is like a Trump
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: core issue, like we all have them. The odd thing
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: that we really really care about windmills is Trump's think.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I love uh. I think he hates them because they're ugly. Right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: He's like, I build buildings. This is nonsense. You're using
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: all this material and building this iy sore.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: But the whale thing, he seems to really care about
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: these whales too. He's like, you're bothering the whales.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: He wants to work on their mental health with them, right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he wants to be the Brene Brown of Wales.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, in retirement, George W. Bush became a painter Donald
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Trump whale psychologist.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So that like this was picked out of the interview
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to sort of my opponents sort of act like he
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: was way crazy. But no, this is great. It's a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: real thing that's happening. It's a funny way to talk
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: about it. They're talking about the downsides of environmental policies,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: which they're correct never get talked about in mainstream sources.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think if that's the worst
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: clip from that that you have had a bad day,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You've had a good day.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Fully.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Also, there's no AI images of a whale on the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: couch sitting from now and I like that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: And you know, we talked about this in a previous episode,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: but Elon Musk had to prove that his rockets weren't
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: hitting whales, and that is somehow seen as okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But wanting to protect.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Whales from you know, the vibrations of windmills, that's not.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Who knew how much whale content there would be in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the last two weeks of this selection.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Who knew that this would be a hot topic.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: On the on the topic of both new media and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: mental health issues. AOC and Tim Walls were doing a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: sort of a Twitch stream of them playing Madden. Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and I want to say that I think this is
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a cute idea. I like it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, go ahead.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I was to say, I don't know if they pulled
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it off, but I do think the idea of people
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: playing Madden and chatting about politics sure is something that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: content that I would consume. Yes, who is the audience this?
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: So they're trying to reach men, right, and they're like
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: men play video games.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They use Twitch.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I know AOC actually does use Twitch, so it's cool.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: But they're trying to reach like the especially.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Like blue collar men, it's not AOC. He should have
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: played Twitch with I don't even know Fetterman, John Fetterman.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He should have gotten on there and played twitch with him.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: But Fetterman's been sort of absent from this campaign. I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: he does speak out for Kamala, but I think him
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: being so pro Israel, they've sort of put him by
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: the wayside.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: A long time ago, I saw John Fetterman one night
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I was splipping channels, way before he was well known.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I saw him give an interview and I was like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: this guy is going to be trouble. He was a
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: hardcore socialist, but he was extremely smart, extremely well spoken,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: and I was like, ooh, this is someone the right
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: should fear.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And then of course he goes on to become a
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: US Senator.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And now, of course I think he's awesome on his
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Israel support, but he is still very of the LFE.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: He should have maybe done a video game twitch with
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: somebody more masculine.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the I think AOC is a is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: an entree into new media spaces because she is quite
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: good at knowing what the tone should be in these areas.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were just like AOC's hot and is on
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Twitch and knows how to play man.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: So yeah, young, I'm trying to understand.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't make any sense to me that they
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: would do it with her, like, especially as they're trying
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: to kind of say we're not this far left thing,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: and AOC is known for being pretty far left.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And to that point, let's hear a clip of AOC
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: talking to Tim Walls about her concerns about the twenty
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election and moving forward.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I do not want to do four more years of
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: resistance nonsense under Donald Trump?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, like, good god, Like, do we remember.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: What it was like waking up every day and it
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: was some shit going on?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we do.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I remember that. I would say a lot of that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: was self inflicted.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Nonsense, is very much how I think about it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually on the same page, AOC. So if
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you could contain yourself while taking in information during a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Trump presidency and not make up, say Russiagate, that would
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: keep you a little bit more sane in the he
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: becomes president.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, if if the media can maybe
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: relax a little bit and the Washington Post change their
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: tagline to democracy dies in darkness, and then it did
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: die right is dead.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: This is this is of not only is AOC concerned
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: about what will happen to her, but already the Washington
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Post in La Times newsrooms are losing it. Because the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Washington Post and LA Times decided not to endorse a candidate.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: This will now. I think presidential endorsements by newspapers are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: relics of the past, as newspapers are basically relics of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the past. At this point, it does not offend except
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in your post.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Let's just get that out there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, it does not surprise me or offend me
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that they would endorse Kamala Harris. I expected to see that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I think if they were going to make this decision,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: they probably should have done it a year ago and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: announced it because it looks weird right before the election.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But the newsrooms are not taking it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they're they're in a bit of a huff
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: about it. It is interesting the non endorsement, right, So
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: you're right. I don't think an endorsement matters. It only
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: matters when, and even then it doesn't really matter. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: if they endorse the other candidate, that would be crazy. Obviously,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: if any of these people endorsed Trump, it would be
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: a gigantic story. It's interesting that the La Times came
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: out with its reasoning and said that basically Kamala is
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: not anti Israel enough, but the Washington Post hasn't really
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: said anything. Jen Ruben hardest hit because she was She's
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: a columnist at the Washington Post, and she was applauding
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: the La Times people resigning when the La Times hadn't endorsed.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: But of course she still is working at the Washington
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Post despite USA they didn't endorse Kamala. And it's interesting
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: because she's also you know, she's supposed to be the
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: conservative and she's like as far left as anybody there.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's where we are.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I believe she called Kamala Harris one of the greatest
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: speakers of all time. I'm not really even paraprage, but yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a bunch of employees are quitting, a bunch of liberals
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: are canceling their subscriptions, and I think that energy could
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: be better used for like knocking doors and doing phone
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: banking if you're going to do activism this week, I'm
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sort of surprised at how mental everybody went over it,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it serves anyone. I think their
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: concern is these guys, the owners of the places, are
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: rich guys who are bending to Trump in anticipation of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: being punished by Trump. One I would say, if you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to like appease Trump in some way, you could
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: just make your reporters be fairer and not crazy crazy
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and like not things like comparing his events to Nazi rallies.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So that would be a more effective way to do
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that too. I feel like the people who canceled over
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the La Times thing once they found out that he subscribed,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Like what when they found out that the reason that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: La Times didn't endorse is because, oh, Kamala was too supportive,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, scramble, what do we do now? Virtue signal?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: So I know, I wish them all luck. The Washington
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Post on their Instagram this week seemed to be preparing
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: its readership for uh, the possibility of a loss in
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the near future.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Is that right? You know?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: They were like, look into you know, spiritual practices.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Religion is good again.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, So best of luck to everyone as we get
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: through this week.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: One more thing about non endorsements. You know, I was
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: thinking about this, Taylor Swift and Beyonce endorse Travis Kelcey
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: and jay Z have not. And it's interesting because Kamala
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Harris needs these you know, the men vote right, that's
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: where she's weakest, and they couldn't get those two to
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: issue endorsements, especially jay Z. I think that he would
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: be a natural Kamala Harris voter. He seems pretty on
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: the left with Beyonce, I don't think, maybe not Travis Kelcey.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: But it's interesting that they didn't lock down those endorsements.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: What do you think it is interesting? I do think
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: there is a general sort of lack of enthusiasm for
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a person who hasn't proven that she's good at this.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That's it, and like, so you're not going to get
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: those extra.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Ones, right, We're going to take a short break and
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: come right back with normally.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I think we have one more story or in case
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: you missed it, and I do not want to miss
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it because it is an important one.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Casts So, there was a study done through the National
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Institute of Health, and I'm going to read you a
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: little bit from the New York Times on the study.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: The doctor Johanna Olsen Kennedy began the study in twenty fifteen,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: as part of a broader, multi million dollar federal.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Project on transgender youth. She and her colleagues recruited ninety
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: five children from across the country and gave them puberty blockers,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: which stave off the permanent physical changes like press or
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: a deepening voice that could exacerbate their gender distress known
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: as dysphoria. In the nine years since the study was
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: founded by the National Institute of Health, and as medical
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: care for the small group of adolescents became a searing
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: issue in American politics, doctor Olsen's Kennedy's.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Team has not published the data.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Asked why, she said the findings might fuel the kind
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: of political attacks that have led to the bands of
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: the youth gender treatments in more than twenty states, which
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: will be soon considered by the Supreme Court, she said,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I do not want our work to be weaponized, which
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: to me just means only we can weaponize our work.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is a giant story.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: It's the fact that New York Times even covered it
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: is kind of a plus. It's insane that she got
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: all this funding and doesn't want to release the research
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: because it doesn't say what she should would say this.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Is not science.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: We saw a lot of this during COVID, of course,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: and it's a big deal that giving kids these hormones
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: has some really bad outcomes that people don't know about.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people think that it's harmless,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: largely harmless. And of course the conversation has moved in
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the last few years, and the conservative side has managed
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: to penetrate some of this bubble. But when you hold
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: back scientific studies that don't prove what you hope it
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: would prove, that is not science.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, I would go even further and say
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it's the opposite of science. Right. You're doing an experiment,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you're finding out the results of that experiment. And when
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the results of that experiment are what are not these
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: sort of like ridiculously policed point of view that you've
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: been enforcing, you withhold those results by the way that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: we paid for right, We paid a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: for this. And the thing is, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the revolt against experts, the lack of public trust,
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  Speaker 1: particularly in health experts. At this point, again, some of
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the allure of Trump is yeah, he does not always
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  Speaker 1: now I will I'll take some hits at him for
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  Speaker 1: trusting Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic. But he
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  Speaker 1: is more willing to listen to more voices than the
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  Speaker 1: sort of these doctors of the world, right, because those
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  Speaker 1: doctors of the world and those experts end up being
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  Speaker 1: propaganda to find out, end up being people who aren't
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  Speaker 1: interested in finding out whether the thing they're doing is
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  Speaker 1: literally harming children. Yeah, a lot of Americans look at
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the idea of pubity blockers and go instinctively that seems
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  Speaker 1: like not a great idea, right, but they installed.
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  Speaker 4: This idea, right that it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: I think that I would say that even ten years ago,
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  Speaker 5: I probably believed that they were harmless.
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  Speaker 2: That was the line. The line was they were harmless.
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  Speaker 2: And back then I believed what health officials told me.
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  Speaker 2: So that's changed.
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  Speaker 1: We've been on a journey, we really have. But I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a lot of a lot of sort
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  Speaker 1: of the undertone of the campaigns, these two campaigns fighting
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  Speaker 1: each other, is about a lack of trust in the establishment,
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  Speaker 1: a lack of trust in the experts. And I was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: listening to Kamala on Brene Brown actually, and the two
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  Speaker 1: of them were bemoaning the idea that Trump would turn
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  Speaker 1: to non experts, that they did not approve of people
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  Speaker 1: who would have power who are not of the established
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  Speaker 1: expert elite class, to which many Americans respond fantastic, good, fantastic.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And I do think they have this incredible blind spot
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  Speaker 1: despite the fact that this is in the New York
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  Speaker 1: Times and they should read that because that's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing they read. That this is a problem.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Right, this will be largely ignored, though obviously I think
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: some people on the left, the usual kind of people
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  Speaker 5: who touch on this kind of stuff, will pick it up.
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  Speaker 5: I actually first saw it on Jesse Single's Yeah Twitter.
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  Speaker 4: But in general the left will ignore.
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  Speaker 1: This, which was as a detriment to the children who
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: are being treated. Because when you want to make drastic
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: this is all I'm saying with the pandemic with this,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: When you want to make drastic changes, when you want
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to do things that might not be able to be
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  Speaker 1: clawed back, you need to have some data for me,
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  Speaker 1: and convincing data.
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  Speaker 2: Data. Let's let's get some and let's follow it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, crazy crazy ideas.
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