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Sublime · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Thirty years ago, Sublime released the album that defined
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  Speaker 1: their career in Southern California's music scene for a generation. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the band is preparing to put out their fourth full length,
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  Speaker 1: and for the first time, Bradley Nole's son, Jacob Nole,
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  Speaker 1: is stepping in as lead singer. Bradley, Sublime's original frontman,
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  Speaker 1: died of a heroin overdose in ninety six, just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of months shy of that breakthrough album coming out.
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  Speaker 1: Jacob was still an infant then, but he grew up
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  Speaker 1: surrounded by the lasting influence of a band that blended ska, punk, reggae,
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  Speaker 1: and hip hop into a sound that dominated the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, after Bradley's passing, bassist Eric Wilson
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  Speaker 1: and drummer Brad Gat launched Long Beach Dub All Stars
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  Speaker 1: and stayed active with different projects. In late twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: they shared the stage with Jacob at a benefit for
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  Speaker 1: Bad Brand and singer Hr and the spark between them
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  Speaker 1: was immediate. Today's episode, I talked with Jacob, Budd and
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  Speaker 1: eventually Eric about how this new chapter of Sublime came together.
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  Speaker 1: We also revisited the band scrapy early days when they
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  Speaker 1: had to beg, borrow, and steal just to keep going,
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  Speaker 1: and we hear their memories of recording the self titled
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  Speaker 1: album at Willie Nelson's studio just outside of Austin, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: This is Broken Record, real musicians, real conversations. Here's my
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  Speaker 1: conversation with Bud God and Jacob Nol of Sublime, and
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  Speaker 1: later in the conversation, Eric Wilson joins us as well.
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  Speaker 1: A big thank you to inter Trend and Creative Class
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  Speaker 1: for allowing us to use the facilities in downtown Long
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  Speaker 1: Beach to record this. To watch the full video version
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  Speaker 1: of this episode, visit YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcast. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to have you guys, third of the band.
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  Speaker 1: We have Eric here shortly, but Bud Jacob, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: doing this, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having us.
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  Speaker 3: Man stuck to be here, Man, Long Beach. It's I
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  Speaker 3: look like twenty minutes. This is super easy.
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  Speaker 1: I know we were talking beforehand like this is I
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  Speaker 1: live here as well, and it's like this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time though I've ever been able to record one
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  Speaker 1: of these episodes here.
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  Speaker 3: We bumped into each other the gym like a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks ago, gym super random. Yeah right, you manifested this.
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  Speaker 1: Moment's absolutely right, absolutely right. Long Beach is such a
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  Speaker 1: great place. You know. I was young though, when Sublime,
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  Speaker 1: like you young, you know, like in the nineties, So
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  Speaker 1: I was aware of Sublime, but didn't get to fully
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  Speaker 1: enjoy or soak in the culture of what Long Beach
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  Speaker 1: was like at that time. I would love to start
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  Speaker 1: with just with you, Bud, taking us back a bit
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  Speaker 1: about like what Long Beach was like when you guys
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  Speaker 1: were first starting out.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you know, Long Long Beach was crazy back then.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you could you could drive from
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  Speaker 2: one side of Long Beach to the other and hear
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  Speaker 2: twenty different styles of music, you know, as you're driving
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  Speaker 2: through the neighbor hoods. You know, it was truly a
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  Speaker 2: melting pot, you know, I mean, you know, different different,
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  Speaker 2: uh different lifestyles, you know, on on every block, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as you're going and and everybody all kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: got along for the most part. You know, skaters, punks,
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  Speaker 2: you know, jocks, everybody pretty much got along. So but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was the nineties. Uh, we were it was hard
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  Speaker 2: for us to find shows in Hollywood, so we would
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  Speaker 2: play anywhere we could, and uh, you know started out
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  Speaker 2: in backyard parties and and uh little warehouses and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what were the.
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  Speaker 1: Places to play in Hollywood at that time? Like where
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  Speaker 1: were you trying to oh.
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  Speaker 2: Just like you know, the the Whiskey or the Marquis,
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  Speaker 2: some of those places.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't they wouldn't let yall in there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was they didn't know where to put us.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the music was it was happening in Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: at the time was all you know, it was all
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  Speaker 2: right and roll. You know, it was hair metal, it
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  Speaker 2: was it was hard metal. You know, it was glam rock.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like you literally, if you didn't have
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  Speaker 2: like fifteen cans of aquin At and some some cover
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  Speaker 2: what do they call it foundation on your rider, then
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're not even to waste our times with
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  Speaker 2: these posers. We just you know, like where are we
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  Speaker 2: going to put these guys?
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  Speaker 1: You know, were you interested in that scene at all?
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  Speaker 3: Like punk sort of like a response to that almost
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  Speaker 3: huh yeah, yeah, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, oh yeah, you can put us with like
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  Speaker 2: the Chili Peppers or Fishbone or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, did you go to like Fishbone shows.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. We used to go to Fenders Ballroom here in
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  Speaker 2: Long Beach and and we'd see the Chili Peppers and
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  Speaker 2: and suicidal tendencies and yeah, all kinds of stuff, that's right, man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Fenders was kind of closed by the time that
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  Speaker 2: that we started playing. I mean, we got a few
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  Speaker 2: shows in early, but it closed up early. There was
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  Speaker 2: other little clubs in Long BEA's like toe Jam and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but it was basically just kind of like a warehouse,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't really a club with a good
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  Speaker 2: sound system.
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  Speaker 1: Did it feel distinct so? I mean obviously like Hot
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  Speaker 1: So Hollywood had like the like you said, like Motley
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  Speaker 1: Crue like glam thing going. Did Long Beach feel distinct
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  Speaker 1: from what was going on in Orange County too? What
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot more similar to Orange County, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We uh, we played a couple of shows with no doubt,
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  Speaker 2: and we immediately found out, oh wow, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like your guys' fan base is the same as ours.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're seeing Long Beach faces over here in
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  Speaker 2: these Orange County shows, and then when you guys are
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  Speaker 2: over here, you're seeing the same thing in Orange County
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  Speaker 2: faces at the Long Beach Show. So you know, why
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  Speaker 2: don't you guys call us when you have a show
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  Speaker 2: and we'll do the same. And so we kind of
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  Speaker 2: partnered up that way, and it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whenever you know, we could, we we would, you know,
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  Speaker 2: work together. So kind of seemed to work out that way,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that was kind of like our solution
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  Speaker 2: you know, to HOLLYO, it is, okay, well let's let's
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  Speaker 2: move south. What a San Diego have to offer, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And then we started venturing, you know, down that way,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, wow, this is this is
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  Speaker 2: a whole different market down here, you know, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is great. Yeah. So we had you know, a
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  Speaker 2: whole a whole new uh set of schools and and
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  Speaker 2: and bars and and stuff to work off of and
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  Speaker 2: feed feed down there.
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  Speaker 1: So did it seem feasible going that route that you
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  Speaker 1: guys could like break like get signed or break into
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  Speaker 1: the industry.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we were always just so hopeful. We were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we we didn't know what we wanted,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we just know that we wanted to keep
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  Speaker 2: on playing music and what was the best way that
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  Speaker 2: we could do that. And so it seemed like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we need to get it, We need to get a
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  Speaker 2: record contract, you know. But then it was like, well
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  Speaker 2: it was impossible to do that. So we made our
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  Speaker 2: own recordings and sold them and touring around and so
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  Speaker 2: we were always trying to, you know, get to that
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  Speaker 2: next level. You know, it's like so hard to you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now we got CDs. What do we do with them?
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  Speaker 2: You know, we send them to k Rock. They won't
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  Speaker 2: play our music, you know, they think, uh Jed the
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  Speaker 2: Fish might have done one time, you know, way back
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  Speaker 2: when you know, hey, check out this song, you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: Job won't pay the bills like that, that that era
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  Speaker 1: or forty forty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd sent them massive amounts of CDs back in
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  Speaker 2: the day. And I don't even think the ink was
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  Speaker 2: dry on the on the the Gasoline Alley contract, you
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  Speaker 2: know when we signed that and they were spinning date rape.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was like I think as soon as
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  Speaker 2: we walked out the doors of the the office, you
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  Speaker 2: know there with mister Phillips, that's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool man, you got that's like your whole
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  Speaker 1: radio k Rocks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they totally supported us. They they we loved
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  Speaker 2: k Rock. You know, it's like we we would go
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  Speaker 2: down to Loveline and and some of those shows and
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  Speaker 2: stuff that was that was always a real treat, real
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  Speaker 2: blast for us.
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  Speaker 1: How did hip hop enter the equation too? So, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's like the punk scene, there's like the
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  Speaker 1: SKA thing. How did hip hop enter the equation for
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  Speaker 1: for Sublime.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it was it was just it was
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  Speaker 2: happening at the time, and like I said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as you drive across town, you know, it's like you're
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  Speaker 2: over here and you know you're hearing you're hearing you know,
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  Speaker 2: n w A or or you know, Wu Tang or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like man, you know, so we started
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  Speaker 2: searching this stuff out. We're down there at the reggae
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  Speaker 2: record store and they got hip hop records over here,
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  Speaker 2: and so we're listening to this. You know, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh wow, who's this? You know, uh BDP but you
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  Speaker 2: down productions, Oh wow, this is dope, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: it was just like instant, you know. I took a
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  Speaker 2: little hiatus for a while, and Marshall came in and
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  Speaker 2: and and started playing drums and he was DJ too,
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  Speaker 2: and so he brought that element of hip hop into
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  Speaker 2: the group at that time too as well. Although we
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  Speaker 2: had that influence, you know, like just Ice and so
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  Speaker 2: it was there from from the beginning, but it just
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  Speaker 2: wasn't We didn't. It was like him know it, did
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  Speaker 2: him know how to do it? Yeah? You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so it it took some learning. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, like going
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  Speaker 1: back and listening to the records, the original handful of
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  Speaker 1: records is it's there are very few groups that did
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  Speaker 1: like the reggae scot thing or like the mixing of
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  Speaker 1: rock and hip hop thing as authentically as a blind
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  Speaker 1: Like it didn't feel like a put on. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like just trying to go for something that like
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  Speaker 1: it was just it really felt like authentic to you guys.
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  Speaker 1: And just hearing you've mentioned like those like you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously BDP because of the Karas one, we would know that,
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  Speaker 1: but like just Ice and like, you guys were really
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  Speaker 1: plugged in to wrap into hip hop. Like you it's like,
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  Speaker 1: so it seems like you guys were really digging for
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  Speaker 1: those records.
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  Speaker 2: Actually yeah, yeah, I mean the nineties it was just exploding.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hip hop was was amazing. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was just like this whole brand new sound, but it
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  Speaker 2: was so familiar to you know, R and B, you know,
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  Speaker 2: jazz and blues and and stuff, so it was it
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  Speaker 2: was familiar, yet it was all brand new, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just like this whole new way of making music,
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  Speaker 2: you know, using already created music and so like kind
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  Speaker 2: of fit into our kind of thing where you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was big borrow and steel to get that feeling,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we needed that that that groove, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and so how do we get there? Well, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna make it by you know, listening to some
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  Speaker 2: of our favorite musicians and you know, imitating and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean life imitates art, Art imitates life.
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  Speaker 1: Is that that you have to do? Doing time came about?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's a really weird That was a really weird
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  Speaker 1: thing to take a bite of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like who thinking to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Was? That was Marshall Goodman there you know, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to give that where that is because that was that
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  Speaker 2: was Marshall. Marshall brought that that track in and and
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  Speaker 2: him and Brad worked on that one together like solid.
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  Speaker 2: So when you when you heard the idea or like
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh man, this is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: You're into it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is dope. I mean it
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, Janis Joplin, you know, Billy fucking
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  Speaker 2: you know, just I mean all of them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the greatest people that, you know, our greatest artists have
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  Speaker 2: all redone that song, you know, and homage it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful song. Yeah, the chord structure is pretty pretty magical.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems like you guys, though, brought it back.
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  Speaker 1: Similar way Frank Ocean has sort of brought that standard
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  Speaker 1: Moon River kind of back in the popular consciousness. I
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: feel like Sablon did that with with with Summer Time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Gershwin is Gershwin, you know. But you guys
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  Speaker 1: really did an incredible version. It really lives on through
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  Speaker 1: through you guys in the Lana del Rey doing it
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like a testament too. It stands to like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, the collaborative, you know, nature of that
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: era and all the stuff you guys were doing, the
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  Speaker 3: fact that you know, you take that little part and
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  Speaker 3: then from there of all this whole totally different song
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  Speaker 3: that could have never existed without all the stuff that
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  Speaker 3: came before it, So it's like so inspiring to hear
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  Speaker 3: like the evolution and what you guys were getting down
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  Speaker 3: into and how the stuff comes about, like and I
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  Speaker 3: think that's what makes music like that stand the test
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  Speaker 3: of times. People can see that it's like genuine you know,
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  Speaker 3: they were just like having so much fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what was?
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  Speaker 3: It just blows my mind here, And I love hearing
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  Speaker 3: about the history.
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  Speaker 1: What was growing up in Long Beach Like for you man,
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  Speaker 1: being Bradley knowles On, that had to be kind of heavy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I was born here and then then me and
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  Speaker 3: my mom moved to Hawaii and so I lived there
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  Speaker 3: for a couple of years, and then we moved to
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  Speaker 3: San Diego where I'd go to school and I'd stay
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  Speaker 3: there until I was seventeen and I moved back up here.
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  Speaker 3: But from you know, six to seventeen, the summertimes, I'd
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  Speaker 3: spend all the summer times here in Long Beach. So
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  Speaker 3: I would go to like Junior Lifeguards and I'd kick
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  Speaker 3: at my grandparents' house.
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  Speaker 1: That's passage here, Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 3: Junior Guards was. I was great looking back on it,
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  Speaker 3: but at the time, like I love doing the fun
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  Speaker 3: stuff like jumping off the boats, and stuff. But you
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  Speaker 3: what they usually do is you get there at nine
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  Speaker 3: am and then they're like, all right, start running. You're
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  Speaker 3: all right somewhere around the boot Oh I got it's
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  Speaker 3: fucked up, dude. It's like a kid work camp.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You start see you see like like like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like nine year old kids running like it's like like
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  Speaker 1: boot camp.
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  Speaker 3: Or you get out at like noon and then you're
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  Speaker 3: just like, please, can we go get a hamburg or something.
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  Speaker 3: He's just so hungry.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: But it was good man.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of what Bud was saying stayed true. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there was so much uh. But me and my friends
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  Speaker 3: always saw you know, a lot of different genres of
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  Speaker 3: music and people and just this big, cool melting pot
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  Speaker 3: and there was cool stuff happening. But we were like
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  Speaker 3: keenly aware in our like I would say, like high
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  Speaker 3: school age that we started to take notice like, oh man,
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: it feels like we're on the other side of like
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: an era, like kind of how Hunter s Thompson if
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  Speaker 3: you ever you know how he's talking about, like in
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  Speaker 3: Fear and Loathing, It's like you could see the high
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  Speaker 3: watermark where the wave almost broke the wall. It's like
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  Speaker 3: it feels like we're this whole other era now where
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  Speaker 3: where people consume music differently, Like people don't didn't go
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  Speaker 3: outside as much, you know what I mean, they weren't
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  Speaker 3: out having having fun like that, which is a bummer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there was definitely like a period where it
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  Speaker 3: felt like it was maybe harder for stuff to happen.
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  Speaker 3: But I think we're starting to see it happen again.
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  Speaker 3: You know, things go in waves and in cycles and
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  Speaker 3: and people's attention spans. They'll get over even the things
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  Speaker 3: that are distracting them from going outside and having authentic experiences.
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  Speaker 3: So the people that I see at our shows nowadays,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're hungry and craving that that experience again.
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  Speaker 3: So it's kind of you know, we kind of came
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  Speaker 3: back together at like the perfect time.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, right at the time when it
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  Speaker 1: feels like people were wanting that authenticity that you know,
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  Speaker 1: you guys really brought, you know, were you did you?
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  Speaker 1: But so I mean obviously what you're saying, in high school,
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  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of kids were maybe into things
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  Speaker 1: other than music, but you were you a music had
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  Speaker 1: grown up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, And even if they were into music.
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  Speaker 3: It was just sort of different, like you would go
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  Speaker 3: out to shows and stuff like that, but were kind
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  Speaker 3: of putting there in their boxes, you know what I mean, Like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: it almost felt like going to a show was was
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  Speaker 3: sort of like it wasn't just something you did. It
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  Speaker 3: was like this weird relic of the past kind of thing,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, like, oh, look, I went to a show.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's like yeah, and no, I don't think anyone
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  Speaker 3: thought about it like that, or even we did at
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  Speaker 3: the time. But I mean, the internet just takes up
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  Speaker 3: a lot of your time and energy and imagination unfortunately.
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  Speaker 3: Like and uh, and I think now we're seeing it
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: to be not so much of a bad thing. There's
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: ways to utilize that creatively. But when I was coming up,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was obviously a fan of all the
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: music my mom showed me, which of course was all
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: the same stuff the guys were listening to. So I
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: ended up being influenced by those same artists and stuff,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: you know, like men and Men, butthole surfers and Johnny
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Osbourne and you know a bunch of cool hip hop
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: stuff too.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: But your mom was feeding you that stuff.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but uh, and not so much like homework,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: sit down and listen to this that would come later,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Like Miguel would tell me to do my homeworks, like
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you need to listen to these records, otherwise you won't
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: understand music.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I was like said, Miguel's the dude who like big
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: part of Sublime's history. Obviously recorded your first recorded some
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of your first recordings.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's not very first.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: We still see him all the time. He's our buddy. Yeah,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: he's I'm really grateful for that for sure. And but
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: at the time, I think what made me really excited
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: was like Queens of the Stone Age, tool masted on.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: These were all I mean, coincidentally, I get maybe or
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: not coincidentally, but just matter of factly, they were just
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: bands that were releasing music. And you know, two thousand
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: and two, two thousand and six, nine ten, you know
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: they they had. That was what my friends liked growing up,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and it's what we were enthusiastic about. And sure we
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: go out to a show every now and again, but
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: it didn't feel like belonging to a scene. I think,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: like how when we look back and view the scenes
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: and clicks of like the nineties, you know, those the
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: way that people were starting to consume music was changing
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: like a little bit.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: See that's that's the weird that is. That's that's what
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get at. Is where you put
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: so succinctly is like the nineties, eighties nine, I mean
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: like kind of like most of you know, the twentieth century,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: like music was really segmented into like and scenes were
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: segmented as the punk kids and the rock and the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Glans and the ring you know, like or whatever. And
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys managed to like escape
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: that trap of just being like, you know, like it's
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: it's really wild that you guys because.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: We liked it all. I mean, you know, it's like
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: sometimes I think one of the best quotes that I
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: can take from Brad was, you know, what, what kind
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of music do you like? Good music? Yeah? You know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: if it's good, if it makes you feel something mad, sad, glad,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: angry or afraid, you know, then then it's doing its job.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It made you feel, you know, So yeah, you know
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: it's good music. It's good music, doesn't matter what kind
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: or style it is. Yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you When did you start h ingesting
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the work of Bud and Eric and your dad I.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Mean, you know, it was definitely always present when I
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: was a kid. You know, my mom was always playing
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: it and stuff and h But I think when I got.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Remember the first starry But do you remember the first time,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: like you do you remember like the first time your
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Mom's like, hey, that's your.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Oh no, because it was happening since I was in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the cradle, you know what I mean, it was so uh,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: it just seeped into my life. I always had known.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even think back or point to a time
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: like it's kind of a little bit a tear jerker.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: But I remember being very little, maybe like two or three,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: like over in Hawaii, and like my mom's saying saying
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that your dad is alive. He's alive in your heart,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you know, And so that was kind of a cool way.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I always had felt that she said he was alive
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: in the music and stuff. So that always tied this
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: huge emotional component to the songs and the work. But
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you know, like most kids, though, I mean that since
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it was so emotional, it kind of just was in
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the background. I never gave too much crazy thought to
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: it until like my teenage years. I think everybody's teenage years.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Music is such an important, such an important tool because
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: you know who doesn't have a weird you know, teenage saga.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: You know that when you're that age, everything's so intense
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and crazy that if you if you have music that
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: can make you feel like, oh maybe I'm not the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: only one who thinks this way, like or any kind
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: of art, that's your escape, right, So I was. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: was at that point like learning and interacting with all
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: these different sounds and artists, and of course just naturally
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: because Sublime's dope and awesome, Like I would listen to
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: it like any other fifteen year old smoking we would
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean, And you could do it.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Like objectively and just be like, yeah, this is just
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: great to smoke weed too, Yeah, I remember.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I mean I definitely listened to all the records I
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: was taught by, like my older friends, Like if they
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: caught you listening to because in our in our day
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and age was like the iTunes era and LimeWire live
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: wire stuff, and if you listen to just singles, they
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: would like shame you ruthlessly, like what you can't just
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: listen to a single, You gotta listen to a whole
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: record or the song won't make sense, dude, Like come on,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: like okay, okay, I'll listen, but but then you'd find
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: your favorites and you'd put you'd make your own little
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: playlists or whatever. And Uh, for me, I'd always listen
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: to pawn Shop, uh Boss DJ. And I'm trying to remember.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: There was definitely a few more. Uh definitely All You
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Need That still one of my favorites. Uh, but I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: don't know. It just it just fit very perfect into
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the teenage experience, I guess, or the youthful experience. And
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I think that's why we see so many of our
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: fans still to this day are all ages.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you? I mean over the years, I mean
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you kept playing music, you kept going you and Eric,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: did you did you recognize that like it's successive generations
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a teenagers kept having that same experience with your music.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild. I was just like, man, this
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: is like the gift that just keeps on giving. It's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: just like it's it's never ending, you know, this is
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: this is an awesome ride that we're on here. You know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: there's all these other bands that have kind of you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: taken to our sound and and it's started its own
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of little sub genre of music and
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: in a way, and it was just like it was
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like wow. You know, at first, I was it was
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: kind of you know angering you know, it's like we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: didn't get to do that, you know, and and it's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like you know, right, your own style, you know, do
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: something ridge and you know. But then it was like wow,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: these people they really truly like loved our band, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like just like what we were doing.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: You know, imitation is a purest form of flattery, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: it was like wow, man, whoa, this is even greater
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: awesome feeling. You know, It's like, holy cow, It's like
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: what did we do? Wow? Yeah, it was a trip.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: There was a part of you that maybe initially saw
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: other people doing a version of Sublime.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Lie. You know, it's like, man, that was part of it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You know, we're on this We're on this magic carpet
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: ride where you know, ten thousand feet in the air
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and then the carpet gets ripped out from underneath us.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You know, we we were just on that launching pad.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: All this stuff that we were working for, those childhood
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: dreams when me and Eric were in the coliseum watching
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you know, the clash and the who going.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: We're gonna be up there someday.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: You know, when we're this big. It was like all
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that stuff was like, yeah, we're finally yeah, yeah, damn,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you know. And it wasn't a soft landing. You know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of drugs and alcohol came into play and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and uh, you know, pushing the feelings away, and there
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was a lot of emotional damage, you know, internally to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you know, ourselves and others around us. And typically the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: ones we love the most to seem to catch a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: lot of the flat because they're right there hugging you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: went your bomb explodes, you know. Yeah, So it's yeah, man,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: been a lot of uh, a lot of uh, you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: reparations along the way, you know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Son, It's one of the heaviest stories because like you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: could point to some people in music history that you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like maybe like Otis Redding, you know, maybe a Randy
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Roads just thinking about Ozzie's just passed Randy Roads, who
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was just like you know, they kind of you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: gone too soon. But it's like the riots really like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's never happened, and the way that it uniquely happened
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to you guys, losing it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Is totally unique story completely from start to finish, from
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: from high school to present day. You know, from eighty
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: nine to twenty five, there's nothing quite exactly like the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: story of Sublime, and it's it's stayed pretty like underground
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: in a cool way, you know what I mean. It's big,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: obviously bigger than anybody ever thought it'd be.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But it's obviously very big, but it's it's a countercultural thing.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: It's almost like its own subgenre. Not subgenre you trying
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: to say, is that I.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Was going to figure out too. It's like a subgenre
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that gets just a culture. Maybe it's a subculture that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: gets adopted kind of everywhere around everyone has their own
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: little personal experience. I mean, like it's just it was
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: so funny to hear you explain your teenage years with it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: because it was like the same thing with my teenage
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: years of like people smoking joints and listening to like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you know, ruka or like what you know. It's like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that was like what we did, and then that's how
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and then going back and then finding like Barrington Levy
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or find you know, like just like how hip hop
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: helped me go back and find new records, like you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: sublime help me go back and really rediscover what was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: going on in Jamaica and the islands. And then it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: covering people like Gershwin and you're like it's a whole
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: musical education. And then like you know, digging deeper into
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: caras One, you know, like it's like that was what
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: what you guys did. But yeah, but it's just it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just unfathomable that you guys were right there with this
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: album with the self title Low and it just sounds
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like as perfect as any album that's ever classic record.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: That was like the sound that we were attempting to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: achieve from the beginning. You know when when we when
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: we had the rough tracks done in in uh at
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Willie's place there and they had the rough at it,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: it was like, that's it. This is the sound that
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we had been trying to make this entire time, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: from John Won't Pay the Bills all the way through.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You know what were you guys going for on Robin
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the Hood?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So that sounds like a funny story there. Well, we
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: were talking with Brett Gurwitz, uh, mister Brett from from
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Bad Religion and and uh yeah he had had uh
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: expressed some interests and signing us to Epitaph Records, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: so he said, well, come on down to the studio.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Donelle is going to record you guys and just just uh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you know, have some fun, you know, do what you
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: guys do. And so we go down to the studio
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: expecting to see mister Brett there and everything, and he's like, oh,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: well he's he's in Uh, he's in New York. He's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: signing a deal with Atlantic for Bad Religion right now,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: so he's not going to be able to be here.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So we stayed there, we knocked out a bunch of tracks,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and the engineer went to go get some food pick up,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: food delivery or something like that, and so we hit
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: rewind on the tape machine, boxed up the two inch
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: tape and took it with us left to nose. Have
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: mister Brett call us when he returns. And uh, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Brett was pretty upset, you know, he'd just given us
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: all this time. And I was like, well, Brett, this
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: is our this is our intellectual property. You know, we
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: owe you for the tape. Okay, you said you were
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: giving us the recording time, but we owe you the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: two hundred fifty bucks for the for the tape. You
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: want to sign us, we can go see it all
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: This later's got lost in the shuffle, and so now
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: here we got this. We have half a record, well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: probably a full record if we looked at it like
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a regular band, but we like to fill up all
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the plastic on the CD. So we had half a
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: record in material. What are we going to do with it? Well,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: we have to make another record. So it was demo
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: days and we had some friends that had found this
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: community down in South County that had some homes that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: were damaged and and so you know, it was it
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: was free, free studio time. We set up our equipment
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and in the abandoned homes and squatted away living rooms across. Yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Kathy Cornwall's living room was part part of it. Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: there was a couple of other people who donated the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: their rooms and and but yeah, a lot, a lot
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of uh, a lot of debauchery went into that album.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: That's why it's called Robin the Hood because we were
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: stealing time.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: That's insane. We'll be back with more from Jacob and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Bud of Sublime after the break. So you had the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean the stolen but not really stolen because to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: your point, was your actual property those dates. It was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: from epitaph.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, eccentrically borrowed.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, repurposed and recommandeered.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Have you heard that? Have you heard the story before?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: You were bits and pieces, but hearing it all together
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: is just like, blow my mind every time.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You just don't hear like stories like that anymore.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Man, it's not too late. You guys can steal. You
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: guys have from tapes, you can steal from these sessions.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You guys, let's go right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Now, let's.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Let's go to John Joseph.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So when you guys put that together, I mean just
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to get back and obviously well we'll start talking about
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Sonatas and the new stuff, but it's just it's we
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: got both two generations of the band going here. So
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it's like an embarrassment of riches. But
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the self title album and it's like this
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: perfect sound and even you said it's the sound you
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: heard Robin Hood was definitely the exact opposite of that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But you guys knew that putting it out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You just wanted to experimental album, you know, at the time,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you know, you had albums like Paul's Boutique coming out.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna mention all of this, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: really great wild stuff, and so you know, we're we're
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: pushing the limits with the hip hop and you know
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: element and in our music and really trying to find
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that next sound, you know. And and so, like I said,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we had we had this half of an album that
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was you know, it was professionally recorded, and then the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: other half was not so professionally recorded. And then we
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: all put it together and produced it on our own.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You know. That was Miguel and Brad and you know
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: mine and Eric's two cents in there when needed. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you know, it was, uh, that's how we put that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: album together. And it was like all right, now we
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: got something new, let's get it out there, you know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And it was we always looked at at our records
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: like a finished product, a piece of art, but it
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was also a business card. You know, this is what
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to hand people. This is going to get
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: their attention, you know. And so it was like we
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: got something new to pass out, we have something new
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to sell. Well, it was just putting gas in the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: vand so we can get to the next show.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: What was the reception when you're passing that around fifty
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to fifty people?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Some people loved it, some people hated it. You know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I couldn't understand, Raleigh, what the fuck did you put
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: that guy on the album for? It's like, you don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: get it, Okay.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: This one doesn't get it?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Fifty fifty description of that record, Like it's it's pretty abrasive.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's definitely you know, like if
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you hear that, you're gonna get it, or you're just.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know, it's for the seasoned listener.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Odds are good, but the goods are odd so good.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So then once you finally get out to Willie's place
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and outside of Willie Nelson, outside of Austin, just outside
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of Austin, Texas, and you guys are recording and self titled,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: did you just like, was it an accident that you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: got that sound?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Did it just I mean, I'd assume not, but like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You know, it was just the years and years of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: working together, you know, playing playing shows out on the road,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean there there's times when you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Eric and I were lockstep from from a Jump, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's partly because you know, being trained by
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: his father and stuff, both of us.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So so father was a drummer, right, His.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Father was a drummer and also played piano and vibes
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff too. But but you know, being playing shows
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: out on the road, you know, for for as long
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: as we did, we developed like this kind of third
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: eye between us. You know, we all knew what we
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: were going to do. When you know, it's like all
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it took was just like Brad turning around and looking
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: at me and going like watch this hold on, you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and I was like I knew a change was coming,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I know what he's gonna do.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I remember the music we were listening to on the way here,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and so so you know, things would
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: change up and we had improvised it, and you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it was it was just developing that that musicianship you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: really played into the recording. And you know a lot
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of times we were you know, the other recordings, we
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: were pressed for time and money, you know, because it
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: costs money to be in the studio, and we didn't
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: go into the studio without a purpose. You know, there
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: was we had ten or fifteen songs and we're going
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to bust out as many as we can. And we
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: went in there bing bang bing bang bing bang boom,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you know, because it was costing us money and we
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: were broke. So we're going out to Willie's place and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the record company's paying for it. And I remember flying
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: out there asking Eric what the fuck are we gonna do?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: We got maybe two or three songs, you know, I mean,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't know, but we're figuring out
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: when we get there.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So uh, you know, every day it was just something new,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and it was part of that that jam, that improv
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: kind of feel, you know, and it was just it
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: was just wild, you know, and just things came to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: us every day, and some days nothing came to us.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: We'd sit there and try as hard as we could,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and Paul would be like, why don't you guys go
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: play golf or something.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: They actually had that set up there.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: There was a little golf Willie's studio was a it
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: was on a golf course. It was a it was
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: an old golf club. It was a country club, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the country club for the golf course was the actual studio,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and there was homes around the golf course. And I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: think that like all of the touring families lived out there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know, so all of his roadies and such, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: they all kind of add their their community out there.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: It was Willie World, you know, it was pretty really
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: cool thing, you.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Know, was any of Willie's Like, like, so Willie's some
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of Willie's entourage must have been around to see, right, Yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: yeah you meet you got to meet him.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: You didn't get to meet Willie. He was out on
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the road at the time, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So a lot of that was jamming. You guys got
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: in hit record, see what happens, and then you would
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: just shape it from there, like yeah, listen back to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the tay here something.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So, for instance, caress me down. I had an electronic
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: drum kit. I think it was a Rolling TD seven
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and there was this one pre programmed drum kit on
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: there that had like reverse cymbals and drums, and I'm
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: just messing around with it. I got like the headphones on,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: you know, and and I'm just playing around on this thing.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And then and I didn't realize that it was in
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the monitors too, and Brad was like, wait, wait, wait,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: play that again, play that again, you know, And that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: was like the first part for Caress Me Down, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that's how that and he was like I got something,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I got something, and he just grabbed a microphone. Paul
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: hit play and record and it was the drums and
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Brad and Brad was like kind of directing me as
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: he's singing lyrics, you know, And so the scratch lyrics
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: on there, I'm sure he'd be like, no, bring it down,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: bring it down, okay, you know. So it's it was
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: pretty cool, like wild, like on the spot, like live creation.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You do that, and then he might he might be scratching,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he might redo it, read it. Yeah, that's pretty insane though, Yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that's pretty nuts. How much of that I mean? You
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: can't like obviously, like the sound of en Sonata, which
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is like the first fully original song that you guys
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: have done with with with Jacob, it sounds like a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: bit like logically what you would think comes next after
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that album, But you can't recreate the magic that might
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: have happened at Willie's studio, no, totally. So how do
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you guys think about going in the studio once you
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: decide to do this together?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Like basically everything Bud said, I kind of wanted that
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to be the case too, and so yeah, it's kind
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of exactly the vibe. I mean, there was some basic
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: ideas here and there from various sources, and then we
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: just go in there and jam it out. And that's
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: exactly what you're hearing on this recording and Sonata and
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: all the recordings of the record, like and same thing
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: we had, like the mike and me and John would
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: be us into the drum doing the or Bud doing
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the drum takes and uh, Eric on bass are on
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: the keys and uh, I mean that's just like how
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: good music is made, you know. And we're smiling the
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: whole time. And then we break for lunch and go
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: take a little walk sunny Sampedro and it was just
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: like such a cool experience there for a couple of weeks,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I think, and they're like, yeah, how.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Many songs do you guys recorded in Pedro for the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: for the news shoot?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It was like sixteen or something.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I think about sixteen we did, and we did even
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: more if you count the jams, because sometimes he just
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: turned it on to be like all right, start jamming.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You guys must say like what did you guys. First jam.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Honestly, the very very first time was it was it
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Doug's birthday party.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, we have a common employer. We both
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: worked at Billings Hardware growing up in Long Beach.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Right down the street from here on Second Street.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Shoutout Doug.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Doug had his fiftieth birthday party and he had invited me.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Doug got me into jeeping. He's he's really big and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: driving jeeps off roading. Yeah, yeah, cool enough, you're good.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And uh so he was like, yeah, We're having a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: little party out of my house in the desert and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I have a bunch of jeeps out there, and you know, like, oh,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: cave in and cave exploring. Because he's a spilunker. He's actually
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: an underground cartographer.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Dude. I don't know how he does that. That stuff
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: gives me nightmares, Like I brave.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: He like maps, like underground cave systems for foreign governments
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: and stuff too. It's on the side what.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, draining cartography. It's nuts, dude, and it's dangerous if
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: you have you're the first dude in the cave mapping
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It was one thing to be like adventures, like I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: going to just go for it and try it out,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and like that's like a hobby. But to do that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: for form got.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Like carry's canary in his pocket, see that sweety bird. Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: So it went out to his fiftieth birthday and he
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: said there was going to be a band out there.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh yeah, probably a Z man will probably
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: be out here or something like that. He was, And
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I show up and Jake was out there with his band,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: like a right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: We were playing some punk tunes or whatever. It was
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: very early in my in my musical learning. I think
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I was like eighteen, what year like maybe? Oh man,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: if I was eighteen, no, no, this would have been
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: more like twenty fifteen maybe.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right fourteen maybe yeah, right around there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So you saw Jacob out there with his band.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just jumped up on the drums and played
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: a couple of songs.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just kicked it. It was fun.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And then the next day we did some caving and uh,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: very very light because you know, because Doug's a real deal.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: And then I totally blew it. I'm taking I had
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: think I had a Forerunner at No, it wasn't a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: four runner. It was an FJ Cruiser. And I got
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: it caught in the dirt, and then Bud and Doug
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: came in and winched it out of the out of
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: the sand.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Got him unstuck. Oh yeah, oh, put.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: A bunch of brush underneath the tire and stuff and
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: got unstuck.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I was about to ask, was Eric there that day?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: He washed it?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Was not there that day. But he's from Doug too.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Eric's Eric's good friends.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: With Dun from from as On Billions.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Talking about Doug Billions.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Doug Buildings.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Set you up here with the great to meet you man.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: How's you going?
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: When Eric still lived down here when I started working there,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: he would still come into the shop all the time.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you guys? When did you guys first jam?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Then with Eric?
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all three of us together kind of same thing.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: So me and Bud, you know, we see each other's show,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: jam a little bit. Me and Eric, we saw each
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: other the show would hop up, jam a little bit
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that happened like with his band, spray aling and stuff.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: And then the three of us jam for the very
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: first time to prepare for the hr benefit show, to
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: see if we dug it and it made sense? H yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: and uh, the terogram tetragram ballroom.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like what was uh, how did it
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: feel like to do like actual, dude, it was cool
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: show these songs.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely felt right. There was a lot of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: healing going on in the room that night all definitely. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: yeah it was. It was a pretty magical moment.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: My favorite is when I pick like some old obscure
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: favorite that I love, and they'll look at each other like, man,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've played that for like twenty five years.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: They wrote it, so they remember it perfectly. At least
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: to me, it sounds perfect.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah you are you? What's the process of learning the songs?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Like are you do? I mean I imagine you can
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: get most of them, but then to do occasionally have
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to ask them like.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I've been invited to be uh,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I've been invited to projects before to sing or to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: fill in and stuff for pre established materials. So I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: just go in and just try to listen all the material,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: watch a bunch of live sets the best of my ability,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: And then there have been some parts when I'm like, wait,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it does it here on this recording? But is that
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: how you guys? Did it live? So you know, there's
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: sometimes there's differences about how we want to portray things,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: or sometimes just just cuz we'll switch things up a
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, has your voice always sounded similar to your dads,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: like that close to your dads when you sing, or.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I mean in the same way that like sometimes kids
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: look like their parents and stuff like that. I think
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: there's definitely like similarities, and people definitely tell me they
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: hear it. I hear it more more times than others.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: But I mean, you can't, you know, you can't go
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: and try to emulate something you're not all the time,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Like I would try to get it as close as
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I can. Yeah, I'm never trying to insert my own
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: interpretation of the material because that doesn't seem like if anything,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be like, Okay, let's see how this
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: type of singer my dad would would approach things and
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: how he would deliver things and when to use vibroad
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: and when not to. And I was much worse at it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I think a year ago when we started, I think
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: it was still, you know, fun show for people to
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: co see. But all the time I'm trying to improve,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: And so recently I actually started listening to the iso vocals.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: There's people up there who put it on YouTube where
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they isolate you know, drums based vocals, and so that
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: helps a lot for me to hear hear the inflections
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and where things are supposed to go. But ultimately, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: no plans to survive contact with the enemy. You know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: when we're up there playing, it's all about just having
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: fun and chaos. Yeah, that's all just to prepare.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Well, Na's break and we'll be back with Sublime. But
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the studying has got to be a trip because like
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Bradley made some really weird choices. Like see, I don't
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: know if there were conscious choices. It might have just
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: been who he was and just come naturally.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: But like this is so cool, man, Like it's so cool.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: There's some parts where like musically, I'm like what were
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: they thinking? Like no, who comes up with it? It's
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: so rad just certain progressions or like, I don't know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: it just it had the vibe of like kind of
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: like budd was. We were talking earlier about like a
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: self titled record and you guys just like nailing that
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: sound you've been working up towards for so many years.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: And I think a big part of that component correct
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: me I from wrong. But it's just like you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: just that that jam element and just almost turning your
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: brain off, you know.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's helped a lot for sure.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for you, Like the healing part of it, was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that expected or did that feel? Was that a surprise?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Just how right it felt? And so the weight of it,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the gravity of it, the healing of it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess no one expects something intense to happen,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: but uh, yeah, it felt right and it continues to.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Was there a part of you that felt before green
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to do it, before doing it, that felt like maybe
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: like maybe it's just too much, maybe it's too for me?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I didn't want to like you know, it's
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's tricky because I think especially fans, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: they they get attached to what the fuck the band is?
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: That was that was real? So that's it, you know
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: what I mean. I'm no surrogate or replacement or whatever.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's fun for people to see and we
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: love jamming and writing music and continue that's what the
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: three of us know how to do and work like families,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: so it makes sense for us. Can you to do it.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: But for a while, like understandably, I was like, well,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I'm you know, replacing
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: or stepping out of line or whatever or misutilizing uh
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: you know, legs up or any any of that stuff.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: So all that factored in for sure, and still does.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's like, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: we're not fucking caring cancer here, We're making rock music.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: We're having fun.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think I think that it's the way
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: that we approached it. You know. It was like we
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: did this, you know, for for you know, a friend.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It was a benefit show, and yeah, that's that's where
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: where it was. It wasn't like we're going to put
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: this together. We're going to go do this, We're going
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: on tour and we're going to make a record. Okay,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: get ready.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no plan.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't like that, and you know, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: so it was like, you know, there for me, there
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: was thoughts, you know, because you know, I mean, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: we tried to do this before with Rome, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and and uh, you know, at the time, it seemed
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: like the right thing to do, but then after I
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: got into it, a couple of years later, it just
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: it wasn't right for me. It didn't feel right for me,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and so I had to step back. And then so
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: when we were approached, you know, to do this thing,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it was like, well, okay, it's just a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: one off kind of thing, you know, and so it
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, talk about it, you know with
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: other friends, were like, you know, you guys could probably
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: really do this, and it's like, well, you know, like
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Eric said, let's see if we can even jam together.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they start there, yeah, you know, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: then so once it once it kind of happened, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: at that show, it was just like the feeling, you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: it was so incredibly real and felt so right that
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, this is this is what needs
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And it did kind of snowball naturally, like it was
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: just that show and we jammed out and practiced for that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: And then it's like our buddy Joe's friend with Paul Toillette,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and he's just a big you know, skopunk fan, you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: in that year, he had like no doubt and stuff.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, why do you guys do this?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Coello Paul who puts on Coachello. Yeah, he started out
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: as like a just a punk promoter.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So it's just one thing after another kind of led
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: lead fell in together, and I remember it was so
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: like not thought. Like one time we were jamming and
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'll be honest, like I'm
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: not I don't see myself as much a guitar player
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: like my dad shredded, like Jimmy Hendrix is just not
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: My fourte can be serviceable here and there, but I'm like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: who should we get to is like a Shredder? And
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: then Eric's like, I think he's just like called Trey
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and he was like, hey, Trey, Derek, do you want
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: to come play with them? It's just like so natural,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: And I was like we got some tracks and DJ stuff.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: And then I just called Dougie because I see him
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: all the time at Ho Dads. When I go down
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: to San Diego, which he still works at that Who Dads,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: he still curls up burgers really yeah, because he's just
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: that's his Dougie man. He rocks and the five of
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: us all go up there and play. And then you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I got a bunch of friends who were young musicians,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm always trying to hook up and stuff. So
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: my buddies A and O, who's just an insanely gifted
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: guitar player, I'm always like, dude, you play the song,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I hand him my guitar is my guitar tech. And
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: it's just or if our buddy Gobbo's in town, he's
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you know, fluent Spanish speaker, I'm like, they'll probably rather
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: listen to you do that part, you know what I mean. Like,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and so it's just that's like the fun of it, dude.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Like I grew up actually listened to a lot of
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the og Long Beach Dub stuff too. My mom it's
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: always said it's like our favorite band. So like to me,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: it was just this fun collaborative like I don't know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: everyone's just just adding in their part and stuff like that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: So that's always been an element that's made these this
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: last year really exciting and fun to me.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that that spirit comes through because like you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: when the song got sent to me and I put
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it on, I was like, before I put it on,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I was little like you alow like, oh man, like
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: its gonna be you just hope it's good because you're like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: oh man, like it's like otherwise it might be a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: little awkward. It's like and you put on you like
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: not and it's like not just that, it's good, it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: like the spirit the original, Like I saying like that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: The there's just a vibe to it that feels very
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: authentic and natural and it feels quite frankly, it feels
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: like a lot like Long Beach too.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: You know, we actually switched. The first few songs were
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: glam metal. We were gonna make a huge shift and
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: see we got this great foundation hook up with this
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: makeup company.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Metal with show tunes, with.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Show tunes combined.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Is that's what we did with the rock and reggae.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's show tunes and and butt rock.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and we're just gonna merge these two genres.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I would have love I would have loved to I
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: would like to hear those I'd like to hear those tapes.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But I know, I know the feeling to talk about you,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: you're never sure when people you know beloved bands from
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: another era, it's like, oh, here's some more music. It's
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: always kind of a coin toss. But so far, the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: reaction from all our fans and from new fans too.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: We're getting new fans now from It's just it's been
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: so cool, dude.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many how many songs are on the new
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the new album?
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Well, we're still piecing it all together. But like but said,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I think we did like sixteen tracks and then maybe
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: we'll do some interludes in there and then some jams
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: and stuff. It'll probably like probably like an eighteen track record.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And is Travis Barker and volved.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: No, me, me and my buddy did some writing sessions
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: with him. But the songs that we did, which are
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: really cool, they're just they were made separately from what
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: we did over in Sam Pedro. So I think in
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: the future be cool to get all three of us
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: over there. At first, it was just like write and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: get some ideas. So if the three of us went in,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's what makes it like actual sublime. You know,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: we would have to all do it together. But Travl's cool, man,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was this a epitaph situation.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You just went to try.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: No, actually, I think took some stuff up and just
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: friends of friends who were just like, yeah, they want
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: to do this, they want to link up and so,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: but it was very informal you know, it's not like
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: there's a contract sign. It was mainly just hanging out. Yeah, yeah, no.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And it feels it feels I mean, it's just like
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: two from like the outsider perspective, the fan perspective, the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: thing that seems so cool about it too, and then
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: why I'm so happy also that it works and that
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it all came together so organically. It's like, you know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: like to a point earlier, like getting the rug pulled
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: out from under you guys, the way that you did,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and then and then for you too, man, like you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: like just you know, kind of in a more profound way,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: you know, losing your pop.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: So no, yeah, we were talking earlier about how this
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: whole history of Sublime is is so unique and truly
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: what we're doing right now is is interesting because you
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: have this perspective from multiple generations about how music is
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: involved in people's lives. I feel like, sort of like
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the little thesis statement for this whole discussion here, you
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, or just some some stuff for
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: people to chew on out there, I guess, is how
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: we you know, how we absorb music, how we consume it,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: and then how we use it to affect other people's
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: lives and stuff like that, And like we've been saying too,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: when you come out to the shows, all generations are
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: present in attendance and smiling and having fun and creating
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: those new memories. So yeah, I think the unique perspectives
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: that we all bring to the table is super present
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: in the record and in our performances.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys, do you guys think about Bradley
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: much when you're playing with Jacob?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, it's a feeling.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. It's good evidence because I was always
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: thought my dad was like the Maleman because my beard's red.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: It's definitive proof.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Told my grandpa the other day, He's like, well, I
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: guess we finally got proof.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: How is your family? Is your family happy you're doing it?
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Are they?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Are they?
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Is it totally dude?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, they're so happy. Like it's you know, they
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: all grew up cruising over to my grandparents. It's just
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: like like you said, it's like healing.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: They're my grandpa, doesn't you know. He's he's very very
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: old now, so he just kind of chills on his
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: patio these days, and he's just very mellow and chilled
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: out and stuff, but he hears about it, and then
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: my grandma sees like all our faces in the newspaper
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: and stuff, and they just see us doing good and thriving.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: So I think for them it's a it's a special
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: experience for sure.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what was for you guys? I was always
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: used what was like when the album came out and
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: with such a success the Sublime album, we kind of
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: had to go sell the record still, which is kind
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of crazy and deal with the label and you now.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: It was like a bittersweet because you know, yeah, there's
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: a wold bunch of albums, but we just lost our
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: just friendly business partner alone.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I remember we uh turned down a interview on the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Howard Stern Show right after, So there was there was
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of press, you know, and stuff like you said,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I have to sell the record and and
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: so interviews and and things like that, but we had
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: to kind of be selective. At first, it was like, oh, yeah,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this, this stuff is real,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: But then we started realizing that certain people were just
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: using our our emotional torment to better their personal situation.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: So it was like, all right, well, we definitely don't
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: want to go on the Stren Show. I hit below
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the Belt, he might get hit back home. Arn. So yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: we uh but yeah it was you know, it was wild,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: but we you know, we took our We took our time.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: You know. The record label wanted us to to find
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: a fill in, you know, and immediately it was just
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: shut down. And it's along came the Long Beast of
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: All Stars, which was a group of our friends. You know.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: It was Opie, our artists that Drew the Sun, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Marshall Goodman, Miguel you know, and other other neighborhood friends.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Jack Manus, He's sang Rivers of Babylon, you know, he
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: was always around. I went to school with them to
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: so you know, it was just a group of neighborhood friends.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Once again, just keeping true to our roots and sticking,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: you know, to our recipe.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But we uh, we realized that that the record label
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: had the rights of first refusal to our next project.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Eric and I all of a sudden we
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: weren't seeing it. Well. We found we had an attorney
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: look into the contract and found that the record label
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: had to provide a recording. They had to pay for
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the recording for us, and so all of a, Sudd
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and Eric and I were no longer seeing eye to
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: eye creatively. So we had two different projects that we
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: were going to present to them because they had to
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: provide each one of us individually with a recording. So
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: we recorded our first punk rock band, Juice Bros. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: put out a vinyl record on that, because we knew
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: they weren't going to accept that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no one.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So we're just trying to get out of our contract.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So we basically handed them two shoe boxes full of
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: dog shit and said, and uh, but we got we
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: got two solid recordings out of that, or two of
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: our side projects that we had worked on, and then
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: we were free to do the longbie stub All Stars.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And that turned out to be a real treat as well,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: because now here after, you know, the record comes out
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and we're now having to share publishing with all these
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: great Jamaican artists, you know, like Half Pint, Barrington, Lee Vy,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and amongst others. The way we approached paying
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that that debt back was by recording songs for them.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: So we got to go into the studio and record
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: with pipes and bread from Whaling Souls with Barrington with
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Half Pint, you know, they came out on tour with us,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: so you know, it was just it was it was
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: amazing gift being able to play with our mentors, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: and record with them. So it was just you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: and once again an amazing experience. I don't I don't
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: know any other band that they has shared those kinds
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: of experiences on the way that we have.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to be surreal to get to play
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: with like the Actually, I mean I was asking it too,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: like to be able to share a stage with those guys.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean, turn back to clocks.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: It could have been Bob Marley, you know, like holy.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like you know, I guess
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: maybe the closest would be like the Stones, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: getting to play like Muddy Waters or something, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: like bearn to be like a Half Pint. It's like
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: your guys is you know, yeah, Howling Wolf and Waters
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and uh and Long Beach of
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: All Stars had such a great run. You guys had
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: an incredible run. You know, people loved going out and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it was such a cool. It was just it was
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: it was you know, getting to you know, bringing the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: whole sublime sort of the larger family together was Ah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It seemed like that was kept people fans going for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: for a long time. You know.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: It was a good way for us to heal too
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: at the same time.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys are doing warped tow tomorrow.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, warped to her bright and early. We're excited. Six am,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: six am set, six am set, yep, yep. Because you
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: know once Kevin, you know Limon, he still likes to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: mess with the set times on the board. So the
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: rumor is he's gonna put us right at six am
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: before doors open. It's like Hendricks, that would stock you
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: guys just gonna should probably just start staying up now,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: you know, drop acid now you time Actually, if you
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: time it, that's perfect. You'll be plateauing by their first.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he got to open with you go now
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you gotta think about that because you got a whole
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: whole crowd of people. Plats on. Man, Well, it's so
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: great to meet you guys, and it's like a great
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: talk dude.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: This is fun as hell.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stoked. I'm stoke. We're all here in LBC.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And it's a real honor man, you know, because it's
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like you guys are, like I said, we like you
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: mentioned the top. We work at the same gym. I
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: go outside.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: How low cool is this?
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: It's so cool to see a blind wall. I see,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I see you guys up there with Bradley and lou
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Dog and Dude.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I was parked out in front of their earlier day
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: because I had to do this this phone interview or whatever.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I'm on the camera and he was talking about He's like, oh, yeah,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I really like this one picture of you and your dad.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh you do. And I just like drove home,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: like hear it is it's my Floyd's barber shop. Yeah yeah,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And he's like, no way, it's so cool. Yeah, it's
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: everywhere you look here. Man, it feels nice. It's home.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna keep your other band because you have
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: other you guys, you know, other projects going. Are you gonna, Oh.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all got time to do the various projects
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: that we do in the side and stuff like that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still active. And I think it's very much
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: adjacent to and inspired by, uh, that amazing era in
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: the nineties Sublime and all the contemporaries and just the
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: spirit of musicians that like to mix together genres that
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: seem like they don't mix. Yeah, you know, maybe not
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: glam metal and show tunes, but you never know it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: You're a man out there.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: That's mixing those genres. And you got a cool demo.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Send it, bro, We want to hear it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Release the glam metal, show tunes tapes and the Juice Boys. Yes, yes,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the contract. That's what the people want. Man. Yeah, well, great, great, great,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: talk to you guys man, Good luck tomorrow, and you
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: can't wait to listen to the rest album.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I Care time to be cool Man.
• 58:46
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• 58:48
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• 58:50
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• 58:53
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• 59:04
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