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The Bolt Report | 29 January · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: It's the report.
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Speaker 2: Well let's get straight into the breaking news today. How
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Speaker 2: long before someone gets killed in this jew hatred that's
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Speaker 2: exploded under the Albanezi government. I've got to say this
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Speaker 2: news we're hearing late this afternoon is strange. Police in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales have seized the caravan with explosives of
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Speaker 2: the kind that you would get from a mining site.
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Speaker 2: Explosives are insided along with a note with the addresses
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Speaker 2: of Jewish targets, including a synagogue, and also included is
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Speaker 2: a message.
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Speaker 3: F the Jews.
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Speaker 2: And this caravan was on a farm north of Sydney
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Speaker 2: the Dural after a resident founded by the side of
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Speaker 2: a local road and towed it back thought it was
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Speaker 2: a a road hazard. Premier Christmins says this is serious.
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Speaker 4: The threat is serious and ongoing and will be met
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Speaker 4: with full police resources.
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Speaker 3: But please can't figure this out yet.
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Speaker 2: I mean, why was the caravan dumped by the side
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Speaker 2: of a road. Did the people behind this alleged plot panic?
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Speaker 2: Did they change the mind? The only arrests so far
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Speaker 2: are of minor figures not directly involved.
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Speaker 3: We have made arrests on the periphery of this job.
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Speaker 5: We have no information that there are further explosives in
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Speaker 5: our community in relation to conducting anti Semitic attacks anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Now, yes, this could be, This could be very very serious,
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Speaker 2: but it also sounds a bit suss I mean, who
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Speaker 2: does that leave the address of their supposed target right
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Speaker 2: next to the explosives along with a threat this is
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Speaker 2: the motive, and then sticking to the caravan and dump
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Speaker 2: the lot by the side of the road. It's a
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Speaker 2: It makes you wonder was this a stunt, the publicity
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Speaker 2: sort of stunt. I mean that's still very serious, of course,
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Speaker 2: was it something just to create exactly this media sensation.
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Speaker 2: It's also interesting how it came to light a resident
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Speaker 2: finding the caravan, saying hazard, towing it to the farm
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Speaker 2: before looking inside, flying funding the exposures and calling police.
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Speaker 2: Now I don't know, let's say, please Sara at this
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Speaker 2: stage treating this credible terror threat and have actually been
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Speaker 2: investigating for the last week and a half of more
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Speaker 2: than one hundred officers. So that tells you something, honestly,
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Speaker 2: how strange and unsettling and threatening is Australia today. The
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Speaker 2: last start I asked, where is Chris Bowen? Where has
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Speaker 2: our Energy minister been hiding it all? But disappeared from
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Speaker 2: public view after Resolve strategic poll last month rated in
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Speaker 2: the Alberdies government's least popular minister other than the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister himself, of course, but a breakthrough. I have tracked
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Speaker 2: him down and tonight I will show you just where
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Speaker 2: he's been becaution.
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Speaker 3: The I'm going to show you is frightening.
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Speaker 2: It is proof that we have put our economy and
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Speaker 2: our jobs and our savings in the hands of climate
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Speaker 2: lunatics and hysterics. Here is your energy Minister. I found
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Speaker 2: him yesterday in Catherine Dan's kitchen in Canberra, staring at
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Speaker 2: her electric stovetop, reverentially bowing over it like it was
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Speaker 2: a shrine, like it was something you could pray to
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Speaker 2: to save the planet from frying and save humankind from
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Speaker 2: being wiped out.
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Speaker 3: Now you might just think of.
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Speaker 2: Taking the mickey out of bone for thinking that paying
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Speaker 2: Catherine to switch from cooking with gas to cooking with
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Speaker 2: electricity is going to help change the world's climate, stop
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Speaker 2: bush fires.
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Speaker 3: And droughts, spare us floods. But it's in fact more
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Speaker 3: serious than that.
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Speaker 2: See Bowen was so keen on Catherine's stove that he
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Speaker 2: didn't just post that picture. You saw but reminded us
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Speaker 2: he was throwing another five point four million dollars something
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Speaker 2: called the Electrify two thousand, five hundred and fifteen plot
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Speaker 2: or two five one five a pilot, a program in
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Speaker 2: just the two five one five postcode in the Elauora.
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Speaker 2: Now that happens to be money, that five point four
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Speaker 2: million to bribe ten percent of lucky households in that
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Speaker 2: two five one five postcode, about five hundred of them,
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Speaker 2: to go buy their own electric cook tops or air
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Speaker 2: conditioners or hot water systems or whatever, and chuck out
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Speaker 2: their old gas ones, nasty fossil fuel gas ones. This
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Speaker 2: scheme means they will get one thousand dollars fifteen hundred
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Speaker 2: for some to go shopping courtesy the taxpayer. No wonder
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Speaker 2: these two five one five postcoders are happy.
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Speaker 6: We need inter one five.
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Speaker 2: Understand you might be a bit ticked off to see
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Speaker 2: crispone spending your money on other people's appliance has been
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Speaker 2: so many people are doing it tough. But to him,
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Speaker 2: I think five point four million dollars is peanuts.
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Speaker 3: I mean, just last week he tossed another.
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Speaker 2: Two billion dollars billion to the rapacious clean Energy Finance
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Speaker 2: corporation go fund even more of his global warming schemes.
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Speaker 2: But Catherine Stove tells you everything about how Bone does
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Speaker 2: splash your cash on the most absurd schemes. For a start,
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Speaker 2: maths of this one. Now, this post code two five
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Speaker 2: one five scheme was adopted for every one of Australia's
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Speaker 2: two thousand and six hundred and forty four postcodes, it
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Speaker 2: would cost taxos fourteen billion dollars. Now if Bones hand
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Speaker 2: out to the lucky five hundred households in postcod two
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Speaker 2: five one five, if that was given to every one
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Speaker 2: of Australia's more than nine million households, it would cost
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Speaker 2: us one hundred billion dollars and we'd be broke. Even
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Speaker 2: though the two five one five postcoders are so happy,
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Speaker 2: if they could just get the rest of us to.
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Speaker 3: Join them, that is going to be great.
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Speaker 7: Join us us.
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Speaker 2: That's actually an ad for this scheme, believe it. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Bone's not going to give all these goodies to everyone.
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Speaker 2: I mean, even he knows one hundred billion dollars is mad.
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Speaker 2: He'll keep the scheme so small that it's just going
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Speaker 2: to be a gesture, a useless gesture, of course. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's hope that's all he'll do, But there is actually
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Speaker 2: more that makes this scheme stupid. You're gonna ask, why
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Speaker 2: is Chris Bowen pushing us to switch our appliances now
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Speaker 2: from gas to electricity when we were already running out
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Speaker 2: of electricity?
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Speaker 3: I mean, poor Katherine.
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Speaker 2: One day the power is going to probably go out,
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Speaker 2: with her dinner uncooked, and she will curse the day
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Speaker 2: she let boone into her kitchen then persuaded to throw
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Speaker 2: out her old trusty gas cooker. You see the austrained
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Speaker 2: energy market operators repeatedly born that Eastern states are so
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Speaker 2: short of electricity for things like Catherine's knew stove that
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Speaker 2: they could face blackouts in a year or two. And
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Speaker 2: already you can see the bits falling off. On a
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Speaker 2: warm day last November, New South Wales Premier Chris Bins
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Speaker 2: beg people to switch off their electric appliances because there
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Speaker 2: was too little electricity and solar power.
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Speaker 3: You can't rely on that.
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Speaker 2: It always starts to come off, as he put it,
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Speaker 2: after three pm.
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Speaker 4: If you can not run your pool filter, not run
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Speaker 4: your dishwasher, not run your washing machine this afternoon between
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Speaker 4: three and eight, you'll help the grid.
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Speaker 2: And just last week the Queensland government did something similar.
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Speaker 2: It sent an email to public servants asking them to
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Speaker 2: close blinds and turn off a second computer screen or
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Speaker 2: extra printers to avoid it said force blackouts during what
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Speaker 2: the media was describing to say heat wave.
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Speaker 3: I mean heat wave. I remember you know when.
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Speaker 2: The temperature had to crack one hundred on the old
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Speaker 2: fahrenheit scale for the newspapers to start running the are
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Speaker 2: you sure what are scorch at headlines? One hundred was
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Speaker 2: the mark this heat wave in Brisbane last week, and
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Speaker 2: the three days it had not one of them was
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Speaker 2: stipped to reach that old century not one. But now
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Speaker 2: I guess I think anything counts as extreme weather to
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Speaker 2: people who are key to panic about global warming. But okay,
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Speaker 2: this memo that the queens government put out, it rescinded
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Speaker 2: it later and said, look there was enough power back up,
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Speaker 2: no need to panic now. But you can see where
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Speaker 2: we're headed. You can see why Chris Bone seems so dangerous.
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Speaker 2: In Catherine's kitchen yesterday, our energy minister was there cooking
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Speaker 2: up more plans to spend billions. We don't have to
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Speaker 2: make us use more of the electricity. We don't have
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Speaker 2: just to pretend to save us from a climate crisis.
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Speaker 2: We don't see. But give me, let me give you
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Speaker 2: the let me give you the government's a little bit
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Speaker 2: of credit. There was underenoably good news today for the government,
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Speaker 2: although I don't think it was the lifesaver that Treasurer
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Speaker 2: of Jim Chalmers was talking up. Today's inflation figures Big
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Speaker 2: four inflation for the year to December dropped to two
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Speaker 2: point four percent, down a lot from the November figure.
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Speaker 3: And when you.
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Speaker 2: Strip out the government handouts, you know, the electricity and
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Speaker 2: housing rebatese so artificially lower that rate, you still get
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Speaker 2: what's called the trim mean inflation, falling from three point
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Speaker 2: five percent.
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Speaker 3: To three point two. That's good now.
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Speaker 2: That trim drate, by the way, is the fear of
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank takes. Seriously, that's the one and three
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Speaker 2: point two is close to the three percent maximum the
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Speaker 2: Bank wants inflation to be. And odds are growing that
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Speaker 2: it might some say it might think, you know, close enough,
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Speaker 2: good enough, and cut interest rates. That it's the next
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Speaker 2: meeting of February eighteen, which will then let the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister call an election off the back of that.
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Speaker 3: You know, good news now an.
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Speaker 2: Election, or the Reserve Bank made ALBANIZI sweat it out
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Speaker 2: until it's April one meeting and cut the rate then
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Speaker 2: when it's also got the latest jobs and wages figures
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Speaker 2: to make sure, which could then mean a May election,
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Speaker 2: which takes it about run up to the latest that
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Speaker 2: Albaniza can actually call one. Whatever the treasure today was chuffed.
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Speaker 5: It means that headline inflation is now at an almost
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Speaker 5: four year low and now sits in the middle of
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Speaker 5: the Reserve Bank's target band, and underlying inflation is now
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Speaker 5: at its lowest in three years. These are very welcome developments.
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Speaker 5: We don't pretend that it's mission accomplished on inflation, but
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Speaker 5: we are making very substantial progress. What we're seeing here
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Speaker 5: is a reminder that the soft landing that we have
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Speaker 5: been planning for and preparing for is looking.
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Speaker 3: More and more likely now.
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Speaker 2: Jim Charmers I must say I wouldn't be boasting that
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Speaker 2: what we see is what I had planned, and the
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Speaker 2: opposition short didn't think so either.
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Speaker 8: Australians are paying more than ten percent extra in what
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Speaker 8: they buy every day compared to when labor came to power. Indeed,
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Speaker 8: for working families that numbers closer to eighteen percent, and
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Speaker 8: that accumulated price increase, that accumulated pain for Australian households
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Speaker 8: is not going away. Indeed, we've seen the biggest collapse
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Speaker 8: in Australian's standard of living in our history.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you look at our disposable income, it's fallen,
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Speaker 2: it's fallen so badly. Have a look at this, that
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Speaker 2: back line at the bottom, that's what we're doing suffering now.
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Speaker 2: And as you can see, that fall is much worse
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Speaker 2: than we saw in the recessions and economic crisis in
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Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy, in the eighties and the nineties. And
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Speaker 2: now we read that Deloitte says it might take until
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty before our living standards are back to where
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Speaker 2: they were before the pandemic.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think.
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Speaker 2: I don't think one interest rate cut by the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank is now going to be enough to save Anthony
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Speaker 2: Abanese's government when it's broken. Almost every big promise that
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Speaker 2: Albanize he made at his campaign launched three years ago,
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Speaker 2: broke every one of these.
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Speaker 9: Vote labor So together we can build a better future.
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Speaker 9: Cheaper childcare, are stronger, more diverse, more self reliant economy,
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Speaker 9: energy security, to implement the Earliery's statement from the Heart
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Speaker 9: in full, a constitutionally enshrined voice to our Parliament to
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Speaker 9: tackle rising costs and cheaper power for homes and businesses.
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Speaker 9: You don't have to worry about petrol bills cheaper electricity.
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Speaker 9: I will bring people together.
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Speaker 3: You didn't get any of that, but do not worry.
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Speaker 2: We could get one intro straight cut after twelve rises.
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Speaker 3: Will you forgive the government?
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Speaker 2: Then joining me is the Political Panel Camera Milner Form
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Speaker 2: which for staff, the Labor Leader Bills Shorten and our
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Speaker 2: director of GXO Strategies and Michael cost the former New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Labor Treasurer and Michael Costa. How important is
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Speaker 2: this fall and inflation first to Australians but second to
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Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I think it's right to say it's good news.
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Speaker 10: You want inflation going in the direction that's currently going,
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Speaker 10: and it is underneath the Reserve Bank forecast. However, as
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Speaker 10: I've said constantly when we've discussed this topic, you're also
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Speaker 10: got to look at the employment figures, and really those
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Speaker 10: employment figures are going to be critical to any rate cut.
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Speaker 10: Last time the employment figures came under what was expected.
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Speaker 10: I'm talking about the unemployment figures by the Reserve banks.
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Speaker 10: They got both sides to look at and that's by design.
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Speaker 10: The Treasure's got a real gaul to claim that he
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Speaker 10: planned for this. I can't forget what he was doing
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Speaker 10: in early December when he was run around attacking the
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Speaker 10: Reserve Band, trying to put pressure on it because it
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Speaker 10: was going to ruin the Australian economy. I mean, you
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Speaker 10: just look at the press clippings from that perioding and
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Speaker 10: see he wasn't planning on this. Certainly it's good news,
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Speaker 10: but it creates a real dilemma for them because if
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Speaker 10: they do cut rates in February, you can almost guarantee
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Speaker 10: there won't be any cut in April. So in terms
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Speaker 10: of an election date, they've got some real dilemmas here
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Speaker 10: and when do you go and twenty five basis points
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Speaker 10: ain't going to cut it on the cost of living
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Speaker 10: because they've got no credibility on that issue.
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Speaker 3: Tara Milner, what's your take? Well, Andrew, we polled this
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Speaker 3: and I showed you the polling. When we did it.
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Speaker 1: We asked the question whether what size of interest rate
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Speaker 1: cut would actually affect people's vote and would it make
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Speaker 1: them vote for labor. So we asked this question and
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Speaker 1: regrettably for Albow even a one percent so four cuts,
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Speaker 1: even a one percent cut wasn't going to shift the
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Speaker 1: dial electorally.
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Speaker 3: So I think there's a.
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Speaker 1: Lot more complex problem for Albanize than just hoping the
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Speaker 1: RBA dropped by point twenty five on the back of
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Speaker 1: these inflation numbers. I mean, the issue is far more complex.
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Speaker 1: Cost of living is there for everyone, and the reality is,
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Speaker 1: even though the rate of inflation has come down, prices
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Speaker 1: are still much higher than it worth three years ago,
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Speaker 1: and that's the critical test electorally for people when they
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Speaker 1: come to vote. So Alberi's might I think this is
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Speaker 1: the silver bullet. I don't think it is. And to
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Speaker 1: Michael's point, the economy is far more complex and voters
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Speaker 1: concerns are far more complex than just one point two
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Speaker 1: five percent interest rate cut before they come to vote.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you both, Michael.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me the government's putting an awful lot
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Speaker 2: of weight on a small cut in interest rates that
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Speaker 2: has yet been delivered by the way after twelve rate
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Speaker 2: rises under Labor, when in fact it doesn't really do
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Speaker 2: much for anyone who's renting or have paid off their
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Speaker 2: homely does badly for people living off the interest on
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Speaker 2: their savings.
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Speaker 10: Look at, a twenty five basis point cut will not
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Speaker 10: make any difference to even people with mortgages, to be
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Speaker 10: brutally honest, given where inflation is at the moment, because
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Speaker 10: clearly inflation figures showed that it's gone up by two
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Speaker 10: percent over the last period. So you know, a twenty
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Speaker 10: five basis points not going to even help them because
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Speaker 10: they're behind the eighth ball. But they're desperate Andrew, they've
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Speaker 10: got no other choice but to sell this as great
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Speaker 10: economic management. The issue for them is, as I said,
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Speaker 10: this political dilemma. How do you sell a cost of
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Speaker 10: living package if there is a rate cut in February
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Speaker 10: that has credibility with the electric I mean, the tax
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Speaker 10: cuts were absorbed and had no real political bounce. I
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Speaker 10: just don't think people believe them. They're not listening to
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Speaker 10: this government and they are in serious trouble, and they've
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Speaker 10: got this dilemma with the budget coming up as well.
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Speaker 2: You know, see this all goes to wyhem spin a
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Speaker 2: bit of time on why they would put so much
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Speaker 2: weight on this small cut if it comes Cameron, is
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Speaker 2: this I said a couple of times last year on
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Speaker 2: this show, why Albaniz he should be going calling for
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Speaker 2: an election before Christmas? Should have had an election before
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Speaker 2: Christmas because the trend was not his friend.
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Speaker 3: It would only get worse.
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Speaker 2: And you saw him, you know, his popularity sinking, sinking, sinking,
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Speaker 2: And since Christmas it has kept sinking and no sign
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Speaker 2: of that's stopping. Why did he do that instead of
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Speaker 2: waiting for this hail Mary pass from the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: that it still hasn't thrown.
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Speaker 1: Oh, because this guy's a great procrastinator. I mean he
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Speaker 1: has feet of clay when it comes to leadership. The
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Speaker 1: only quick decision Albert ever makes is when he's got
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Speaker 1: a retirement villa to buy for four point three million dollars.
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Speaker 1: This guy is so slow to make decisions. I mean
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Speaker 1: he stayed playing tenants while a syndeagogue kept burning. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this guy is not a leader who makes to see quickly.
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Speaker 1: So I'm expecting him to go full term potentially and
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Speaker 1: waste all those opportunities you quite rightly identified. Because the
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Speaker 1: numbers haven't got any better. The numbers aren't going to
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Speaker 1: get any better because everyone sees Albert for what he is,
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Speaker 1: and voters don't like Albanie and they're not voting labor
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Speaker 1: as a consequence. So yes, he should He should have
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Speaker 1: gone last year. He should have gone much sooner. But
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Speaker 1: that's Dutton's advantage and voters will pass their judgment if
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Speaker 1: and when we finally have an election day.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it either, Michael Koster. Meanwhile, and every
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Speaker 2: time I say, look, they've come up with a great idea,
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Speaker 2: you say, no, it's rubbish. So with nervousness, I say, meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has come up with a promise that's almost
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Speaker 2: as popular with labor voters as it is with liberal ones,
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Speaker 2: which is just incredible. A Resolve poll shows that sixty
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Speaker 2: nine percent of voters like Peter Dutton's promise if he
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Speaker 2: becomes Prime Minister, to stop foreign investors buying residential property.
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Speaker 2: Now he says it's the he help local bidders get
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Speaker 2: into the housing market, which is almost impossible if you're
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Speaker 2: poor or young. I also wonder whether for a lot
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Speaker 2: of the people polled it's actually a proxy for saying,
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Speaker 2: do you want immigrants stopped at the border, whether they
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Speaker 2: want to buy a house or not.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of his idea?
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Speaker 10: Look, I think the idea is good politics, but bad
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Speaker 10: economics and finance are to be honest with you, but
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Speaker 10: I agree with you. I think you're absolutely on the
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Speaker 10: money with this. It's a dog whistle for immigration. Unfortunately
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Speaker 10: that's where it's at because it's really not going to
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Speaker 10: make any impact. A two year suspension of foreign buyers
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Speaker 10: in the Australian housing market, where they are a very
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Speaker 10: small percentage. They might be a visible percentage, but they're
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Speaker 10: very small percentage is not going to deal with the
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Speaker 10: supply problems, and either will a twenty five basis point
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Speaker 10: decreasing mortgage increase people's ability to buy. So look, good politics,
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Speaker 10: you know, troublesome economics if you ask me, Cameron.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, I've been struck.
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Speaker 2: We had Albanez, he come back very early from his
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Speaker 2: holidays to start campaigning a week before Peter Dutton got
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Speaker 2: out of his bed, and it hasn't worked. Now I'm
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Speaker 2: just wondering looking at Peter Dutton. Labour said a couple
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Speaker 2: of years ago quite openly, it was unelectable. He looked
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Speaker 2: too scary, it looked too mean, all blah.
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Speaker 3: Blahlah.
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Speaker 2: And yet he's come his neck and neck with the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister in the popularity and all the polls now
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Speaker 2: say the Liberals are ahead of Labor two party preferred.
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Speaker 3: Is any of this really due to.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton? What has Peter Dutton done to make himself electable?
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Speaker 3: Do you think?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 1: I think he picked the mood, right. I mean, even
21:49
Speaker 1: when you know the Age and the ABC were to
21:51
Speaker 1: crying how terribly he was on the voice, he picked
21:53
Speaker 1: the mood. He said no to the voice, and sixty
21:56
Speaker 1: percent of Queenslanders and across Australia, I should say sixty
21:58
Speaker 1: percent of Australia said no to the voice, So he
22:01
Speaker 1: picked it right there. He's also kept the government honest
22:04
Speaker 1: with all the broken promises. I mean he's actually done
22:06
Speaker 1: what the opposition leader should do, which is actually point
22:08
Speaker 1: out where elbows failed on a regular basis. But I
22:11
Speaker 1: don't think there's any more help that Peter Dutton's needed
22:14
Speaker 1: than Albo himself. I mean, the Conics upgrades, the freebie tickets,
22:18
Speaker 1: the retirement villa. I mean, this guy is so tone
22:20
Speaker 1: deaf to what is happening out there with the cost
22:22
Speaker 1: of living. He's helped Peter Dutton every single day of
22:25
Speaker 1: the campaign. But that's not to give credit to Peter Dutton,
22:27
Speaker 1: who I think has been a strong opposition leader, has
22:29
Speaker 1: got some good ideas out there, has had the courage
22:32
Speaker 1: to put nuclear on the agenda, which you should be given.
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Speaker 3: Before marks for.
22:36
Speaker 1: And I think the election campaign is going to be
22:37
Speaker 1: far more competitive than even the polling saying it will be.
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Speaker 2: I think his decision to promote nuclear was a very
22:45
Speaker 2: clever way to look positive rather than negative, because otherwise
22:49
Speaker 2: he would have had to fight on global warming, which
22:52
Speaker 2: would have made him being much stickier for him, much
22:56
Speaker 2: better to argue about nuclear as the solution. Michael coslack
23:00
Speaker 2: Amoray Milner, thank you very much to you both. Later
23:03
Speaker 2: in the show, the Queensland government has halted purty blockers
23:07
Speaker 2: for children. But I'll talk to a psychiatrist who was
23:10
Speaker 2: dumped after raising the alarm in the first place. But
23:13
Speaker 2: after the break, Donald Trump's new White House spokeswoman, the
23:18
Speaker 2: youngest ever, gives journalists their extra sass in a first
23:24
Speaker 2: media conference. I'll discuss that with Rondine after this. No
23:31
Speaker 2: more good news today. Remember Oscar Jenkins. Two weeks ago,
23:36
Speaker 2: there was a lot of Talk that had been killed
23:40
Speaker 2: murdered by Russian soldiers after being captured fighting in Ukrainian
23:45
Speaker 2: uniform for the Ukrainian Army in its war of resistance
23:49
Speaker 2: against the Russian invaders. He was seen being slapped and taunted,
23:54
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, and then there was the stories
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Speaker 2: he'd been killed. In fact, Russia has he's alive and normal,
24:03
Speaker 2: whatever that means, but they can't say where, and they
24:06
Speaker 2: can't say whatever. We understand it's probably on Russian territory,
24:11
Speaker 2: not on Ukrainian territory. That Russia is invaded. The government
24:16
Speaker 2: is saying, Penny Wong is saying, Russia's got to surrender
24:19
Speaker 2: him or at least give us access to him. But
24:21
Speaker 2: so far we've got either of that, So we shall
24:23
Speaker 2: see where that goes. That is at least good news.
24:26
Speaker 2: Oscar Jenkins alive. Meanwhile, Donald Trump, you see.
24:33
Speaker 3: The gift that keeps giving.
24:35
Speaker 2: He's causing a social and political revolution that's a sweeping
24:38
Speaker 2: Australia too, and some people simply can't take it. I
24:41
Speaker 2: mean like staff at the Melbourne restaurants and killed her
24:44
Speaker 2: who kicked out Angelo not for wearing some Trump merch
24:49
Speaker 2: is make America great again hat.
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Speaker 11: Yesterday, all of a sudden, I get told to take
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Speaker 11: it off otherwise I'll be evicted out of the venue,
24:58
Speaker 11: and I I was embarrassed. Yeah, well, I was told
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Speaker 11: it was a political incitement, which I think is completely nonsense.
25:07
Speaker 11: It wasn't.
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Speaker 12: It was actually just.
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Speaker 11: Having a bad hair day and I liked the hat
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Speaker 11: and I wanted to wear it.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Ron Dean, editor in chief of the
25:16
Speaker 2: Brilliant Spectator Australia. I subscribe to it. Do yourself a
25:19
Speaker 2: favor and do the same. He's also a host of
25:22
Speaker 2: Outsiders every Sunday at nine am plus, host of the
25:25
Speaker 2: new show He'll tell you about in a minute, Rowan, great.
25:28
Speaker 7: To see you.
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Speaker 2: Look, you know, I'm wondering what's sort of excitement they
25:33
Speaker 2: talk about? What money insight by wearing that hat in
25:36
Speaker 2: their restaurant, you know, a war, a full out riot,
25:40
Speaker 2: or just the fact, you know, some staff thinking we
25:43
Speaker 2: don't like Trump?
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Speaker 11: What is it?
25:45
Speaker 7: Well, the reality is and I was going to put
25:47
Speaker 7: my Maga hat on. Unfortunately I didn't want it. Being
25:51
Speaker 7: a sky host, I didn't want to mess up my
25:53
Speaker 7: perfectly you know head within a lynch. So we'll have
25:58
Speaker 7: to wait to wear that some other time. But I
26:00
Speaker 7: have several Maga hats and they're fantastic. But the reality is,
26:04
Speaker 7: and this bloke is found out that there are still,
26:07
Speaker 7: believe it or not, after eight years, there are still people.
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Speaker 7: I'm sure there are in the States, far less so,
26:14
Speaker 7: but certainly here in Australia who are repelled and appalled
26:18
Speaker 7: by the Maga hat. They've kind of missed the election
26:21
Speaker 7: that went on. They've missed the fact that Donald Trump
26:23
Speaker 7: is not the devil, he's not Hitler, he's not all
26:25
Speaker 7: the things that we were told he was. He is,
26:28
Speaker 7: in fact, in my opinion, going to be the best
26:31
Speaker 7: president certainly of our lifetimes. And we should be proud
26:37
Speaker 7: to wear and display our loyalty to the American leader
26:43
Speaker 7: as a kind of fun thing to do and a
26:45
Speaker 7: fun thing to wear without upsetting people. But this guy
26:48
Speaker 7: found out there are still Australians who are mired in
26:51
Speaker 7: this vile prompt derangement syndrome, who refuse to accept the
26:56
Speaker 7: reality that it's a new world that we're living in.
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Speaker 2: I noticed I haven't heard a single story yet of
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Speaker 2: someone being chucked out of a Melbourne restaurant for wearing
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Speaker 2: a Palestinian scarf that's apparently a Trump hat.
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Speaker 3: Now, that is what crosses the line.
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Speaker 2: What I actually appreciated most about your answer, by the way, Rowan,
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Speaker 2: is that viewers will now know that, like Boris Johnson,
27:19
Speaker 2: that wild disorder of that great mane of hair is
27:23
Speaker 2: actually carefully quaffed and cannot be disturbed even by a hat.
27:27
Speaker 3: So we admire that.
27:31
Speaker 2: But speaking of Donald Trump, I'm stunned amazed by his
27:35
Speaker 2: new White House spokeswoman today. She's actually the youngest ever
27:39
Speaker 2: in that job, Caroline Leavitt. She's just twenty seven years old.
27:43
Speaker 2: But boy was she giving her to the Trump haters
27:46
Speaker 2: in her first White House briefing. It was such sass,
27:49
Speaker 2: like this answer about the illegal immigrants that Trump is
27:53
Speaker 2: now getting kicked out of the country.
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Speaker 4: How many have a criminal record versus those who are
27:59
Speaker 4: just in the country illegally.
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Speaker 12: All of them because they illegally broke our nation's laws,
28:03
Speaker 12: and therefore they are criminals as far as this administration goes.
28:05
Speaker 12: I know the last administration didn't see it that way.
28:08
Speaker 12: So it's a big culture shift in our nation to
28:10
Speaker 12: view someone who breaks our immigration laws as a criminal.
28:12
Speaker 12: But that's exactly what they are.
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Speaker 2: Rowan couldn't do that at twenty seven No nonsense, straight
28:19
Speaker 2: to the point, courage detail. By the way, I think
28:23
Speaker 2: the way that she answered it's a lesson that many
28:25
Speaker 2: liberal MPs could.
28:27
Speaker 3: Learn faced by ABC journalist or whatever.
28:29
Speaker 2: Orthough I have to give Peter Dutton huge credit he
28:32
Speaker 2: does give it right back as well.
28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:35
Speaker 7: I think this is the new era of political leaders
28:39
Speaker 7: being honest, the days of spin, of all those advisors
28:44
Speaker 7: telling our politicians, oh, don't say this, you'll offend so
28:47
Speaker 7: and so. Make sure you mentioned this point. That's your
28:49
Speaker 7: talking points. There used to be, and there probably still are,
28:53
Speaker 7: these dreadful talking points that were handed around, certainly by
28:56
Speaker 7: labor politicians and by liberal politicians back in the of
29:00
Speaker 7: Turnbull and Morrison days. I don't know if they're still
29:03
Speaker 7: being handed around, but the reality is they shouldn't need
29:06
Speaker 7: to be, because if you are the political leader, if
29:08
Speaker 7: you are a senior politician, or any politician, you should
29:11
Speaker 7: be able to answer any question instantly, straight from the heart,
29:15
Speaker 7: on your fundamental basic principles. Maybe you need to fill
29:19
Speaker 7: in some of the specific detail at a later point,
29:21
Speaker 7: but you should be able to tell the truth on
29:24
Speaker 7: any single issue and this is what drives me absolutely
29:27
Speaker 7: bonkers about all our politicians in Australia, less so the coalition,
29:31
Speaker 7: but they are still part of it. This kind of
29:35
Speaker 7: constant we mustn't say this, because that's the right thing
29:37
Speaker 7: to do. Strategically. The focus group said this or whatever,
29:42
Speaker 7: speak from the heart, be truthful and be honest, and
29:44
Speaker 7: the public will follow you and believe in you and
29:49
Speaker 7: listen to what you have to say. Now, this is
29:52
Speaker 7: the template that Donald Trump has set, and he has
29:55
Speaker 7: surrounded himself by people who are following this to the t.
29:59
Speaker 7: There's no filter, there's no kind of oh, I better
30:01
Speaker 7: not say this. And we saw this in the nomination hearings.
30:05
Speaker 7: We saw this during his signing of the executive Walkers.
30:10
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, this is a big one. This is a
30:11
Speaker 7: good one. All this sort of stuff. Be honest, tell
30:14
Speaker 7: the truth, be straight with the public. You talk to
30:17
Speaker 7: the public as if you're talking to your best mate
30:19
Speaker 7: or a close friend, and you'll go places. And this
30:22
Speaker 7: is what the Donald Trump White House is doing. What
30:24
Speaker 7: a change. Andrew from that ghastly Kareem Jean Pierre, who
30:29
Speaker 7: was a DEI pick, who stumbled around, who lied, lied repeatedly.
30:34
Speaker 7: The American people know what a liar she was because
30:36
Speaker 7: they saw the decrepit Joe Biden, and yet there she
30:39
Speaker 7: was every day fronting up saying, Oh no, this guy's great,
30:41
Speaker 7: he's fit, he's.
30:43
Speaker 3: Doing Oh my god, I just saw him show jumping and.
30:52
Speaker 7: Man running the mind.
30:56
Speaker 3: I think you've just embarrassed me.
30:58
Speaker 2: By the way, Rome, because I actually remember being paid
31:02
Speaker 2: by tax pays the right talking points for Labor Party
31:05
Speaker 2: and Peace on an election campaign.
31:08
Speaker 3: Sorry about that. There was an interesting.
31:12
Speaker 7: Labour getting Andrew Bolt to write their talking points.
31:14
Speaker 3: If they did that, they would probably win. Would I
31:20
Speaker 3: love that job?
31:21
Speaker 4: Right now?
31:26
Speaker 3: There was a really interesting change. I think that the
31:28
Speaker 3: levit announced for.
31:31
Speaker 2: Who could get into the White House briefings now which
31:34
Speaker 2: journalists and whatever, and who got to ask questions? The
31:38
Speaker 2: mainstream media there is now going to be joined by
31:41
Speaker 2: the new media, including the kind of podcasts and influencers
31:45
Speaker 2: who actually helped get Donald Trump elected have listened to.
31:47
Speaker 12: Her, and in keeping with this revolutionary media approach that
31:52
Speaker 12: President Trump deployed during the campaign, the Trump White House
31:56
Speaker 12: will speak to all media outlets and personalities, not just
32:00
Speaker 12: the legacy media who are seated in this room. Because
32:04
Speaker 12: according to recent polling from Gallup Americans, trust in mass
32:08
Speaker 12: media has fallen to a record low.
32:12
Speaker 2: That's going to break the pair of the mainstream media,
32:14
Speaker 2: which has largely been hijacked by the left to act
32:17
Speaker 2: as a gatekeeper to the information, isn't it Yeah?
32:21
Speaker 7: And it's their own fault. Let's be honest. The public
32:24
Speaker 7: have been educated since COVID. Much of what the mainstream
32:28
Speaker 7: media told them repeatedly and insistently during COVID they now
32:32
Speaker 7: know to be false. There are a few people who
32:34
Speaker 7: like myself and people in Sky News and elsewhere in
32:38
Speaker 7: the mainstream media, who refused to buckle to that intimidation,
32:41
Speaker 7: but by and large, the majority of the mainstream media
32:44
Speaker 7: in the West towed the government line. And we're worse
32:47
Speaker 7: than Pravda, just spouting government policy and refusing to countenance
32:52
Speaker 7: any alternative. The public saw that, the public turned to
32:55
Speaker 7: social media. They then had, as I said, the Koreem
32:58
Speaker 7: Jean Pierre, Joe Biden face go where they were being
33:01
Speaker 7: lied to for four years. So the public aren't fools
33:04
Speaker 7: if the mainstream media. I used to love those white
33:07
Speaker 7: house you know, white house meetings. Achi's at now we're
33:11
Speaker 7: the only person who made any sense with Pete Doucci
33:13
Speaker 7: from Fox. The rest of them were just literally repeating
33:16
Speaker 7: the Biden talking points. The public have moved, The public
33:20
Speaker 7: have come to distrust much of the mainstream media. I'm
33:23
Speaker 7: glad to say I'm part of Sky, which the public trusts,
33:27
Speaker 7: but much of the mainstream media is not trusted.
33:29
Speaker 3: By Oh look, you put your finger on it.
33:32
Speaker 2: That is, in fact, despite all the attempts to bury
33:36
Speaker 2: us in scorn and Boycott's the Victorian government for instance,
33:41
Speaker 2: that's why Sky has taken off, because people are sick
33:44
Speaker 2: of what they've been getting. Are the alternatives? Rowan, speaking
33:48
Speaker 2: of Sky and offering alternatives. You have a new show,
33:51
Speaker 2: tell us when, tell us what? Tell us how to
33:55
Speaker 2: catch up?
33:55
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33:59
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34:01
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34:03
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34:33
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34:42
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34:44
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Speaker 2: The poor people, they won't last long. They'll get sick
34:49
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34:53
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34:56
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Row and talk to you next
34:58
Speaker 2: week after the break. Queensland's new government has canceled puty
35:02
Speaker 2: blockers for children after a scandal about how these things
35:06
Speaker 2: are being handed out. But I'm going to talk to
35:08
Speaker 2: a psychiatrist has actually dumped after raising her concerns. Finally
35:13
Speaker 2: the truth is getting out, I said last night. The
35:18
Speaker 2: Queensland government has now banned giving purity blockers the children
35:22
Speaker 2: who think they're transgender until he is from an inquiry
35:25
Speaker 2: into how they're given out, because there's been a bit
35:27
Speaker 2: of a scandal about that. Meanwhile, overnight, US President Donald
35:33
Speaker 2: Trump signed another executive order, and this time banning gender
35:37
Speaker 2: transitions for people in the United States under the age
35:41
Speaker 2: of nineteen. He says, it is the policy of the
35:47
Speaker 2: United States that it will not fund, sponsor promoter, assist,
35:51
Speaker 2: or support the so called transition of a child from
35:53
Speaker 2: one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all
35:57
Speaker 2: laws that prohibit or limit the destructive and life altering procedures. Now,
36:04
Speaker 2: what's banned in his case of puberty blockers, the use
36:07
Speaker 2: of hormones such as estrogen to sorcerone, and surgery to
36:11
Speaker 2: supposedly change a child's sex. Now, this whole transgender industry,
36:17
Speaker 2: it's really on the back foot. It's under the spotlight
36:20
Speaker 2: like never before. We saw it with the Cass inquiry
36:22
Speaker 2: in Britain last year warning that many children who were
36:26
Speaker 2: diagnosed as supposedly, you know, transgender in the wrong body
36:31
Speaker 2: seemed in fact of other things which could explain that
36:35
Speaker 2: feeling autism was a big one, or a same sex attraction,
36:41
Speaker 2: or they were from broken home, something like that. Well,
36:44
Speaker 2: joining me is Gillian Spencer, who tried to raise her
36:47
Speaker 2: concerns with how Queensland's Children's Gender Service was dealing with
36:52
Speaker 2: so called transgender children and was stood down as a
36:56
Speaker 2: senior child psychologist at the Queensland Children's Hospital. Jillian, great
37:01
Speaker 2: to see you, thanks for coming on. The new Queensland
37:06
Speaker 2: government has now stopped giving puberty blockers to children claiming
37:09
Speaker 2: who claim the transgender until it he is from an
37:12
Speaker 2: inquiry into this. Do you feel vindicated in some way?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 6: I feel relieved.
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Speaker 13: I'm very relieved about the Queensland L ANDP government's decision yesterday,
37:25
Speaker 13: but it gives me hope because finally we seem to
37:28
Speaker 13: have some politicians who have the courage to do what
37:31
Speaker 13: is right and to stare down any ridiculous allegations of transphobia,
37:36
Speaker 13: because this really is a child protection issue and all
37:40
Speaker 13: we want is for the services for children with gendertor
37:42
Speaker 13: stress to be evidence based and to not cause the
37:46
Speaker 13: serious lifelong harms that we know that puberty blockers, cross
37:50
Speaker 13: sex hormones and gender surgeries do. And I'm super relieved
37:54
Speaker 13: that the government has taken charge because one of the
37:57
Speaker 13: most disturbing things I've seen in recent years is the
38:00
Speaker 13: lack of courage of people occupying senior roles in the hospital,
38:05
Speaker 13: and it really isn't right how many people kept quiet
38:10
Speaker 13: about the harms being done to children in the gender clinic.
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Speaker 13: So yes, I think that senior hospital executives' heads should
38:17
Speaker 13: roll over this issue.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I know a problement doctor who told me over the
38:23
Speaker 2: break how he was going around his hospital saying, listen, guys,
38:27
Speaker 2: you're going to get sued one day, this sex changing business.
38:31
Speaker 3: It's not right.
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Speaker 2: You were suspended after questioning the use of puberty blockers
38:37
Speaker 2: at the Queensland Children's Gender Service, challenging what's called the
38:40
Speaker 2: affirmation model, which.
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Speaker 3: Means essentially agreeing to child's gender is what they think
38:45
Speaker 3: it is.
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Speaker 13: What happened, Oh well, my concerns were dismissed and I
38:53
Speaker 13: was marginalized. I've actually been suspended now for twenty one months,
38:58
Speaker 13: but going back to two and a half years to
39:02
Speaker 13: mid twenty twenty two, I had meetings with my bosses
39:05
Speaker 13: where I disclosed to them about the harms being done
39:09
Speaker 13: to children through the gender clinic. And with the Queensland
39:14
Speaker 13: Public Interest Disclosure process, the hospital gets three opportunities to
39:18
Speaker 13: decide whether someone is providing information about a danger and
39:23
Speaker 13: if they are then they qualify as a whistleblower and
39:25
Speaker 13: their own protection. But with my three hospital appeals, each
39:29
Speaker 13: time the hospital said that I hadn't made a public
39:31
Speaker 13: interest disclosure and the reason they gave was that they
39:34
Speaker 13: thought that the harms that I disclosed, which were infertility,
39:39
Speaker 13: lack of sexual function and long term physical health problems,
39:42
Speaker 13: weren't serious or specific enough to qualify as a public
39:46
Speaker 13: interest disclosure. So yep, I think heads should roll because
39:50
Speaker 13: this hospital has behaved appallingly and not just to me,
39:55
Speaker 13: this is to the parents and children of Queensland. So yes,
39:59
Speaker 13: I've heald that decision through the Industrial Relations Commission and
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Speaker 13: I'm awaiting a judgment.
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Speaker 3: Were good on you.
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Speaker 2: We did ask the hospital for their side of the story.
40:08
Speaker 2: They haven't responded, so that's that. Jillian Spencer, thank you
40:12
Speaker 2: so much for fighting on this very very important issue.
40:17
Speaker 2: After the break is the Diversity and Equity Agenda a racket.
40:22
Speaker 2: Amazing evidence from two state governments. If you're wondering where
40:25
Speaker 2: your money goes, don't you ever wonder how much money
40:33
Speaker 2: would save if politicians and counselors just did their basic
40:38
Speaker 2: job and dropped all the woo woo politics. Now you
40:40
Speaker 2: take Sydney's Northern Beaches Council, it's gone through money like
40:44
Speaker 2: nobody's business.
40:45
Speaker 3: And now residents are outrage.
40:47
Speaker 2: The council wants the high rates, but nearly forty percent,
40:51
Speaker 2: that's about nearly seven hundred dollars for each household. This
40:55
Speaker 2: council has had money for diversity programs, money for a
41:00
Speaker 2: new Climate Indigenous Heritage Office, money for a climate change
41:06
Speaker 2: strategy of course, which council doesn't have that, you know,
41:10
Speaker 2: and environmental education, money for a Sustainable Living Action plan
41:16
Speaker 2: and more of that same tarresome tarasome. I'd be angry
41:20
Speaker 2: if I were a taxpayer too, But the higher up
41:22
Speaker 2: you go in government, it's the worst it gets. Today
41:26
Speaker 2: News New Southwest government, its Treasury Department is checking projects
41:30
Speaker 2: for their gender impact before funding them, analyzing how an
41:35
Speaker 2: issue might affect women, men, or gender diverse people differently.
41:41
Speaker 2: Joining me and Daniel Wild, Deputy Executive director of the
41:43
Speaker 2: Insitute of Public Affas Germonini, founder of GT Communications, columnists,
41:48
Speaker 2: the sage so much more genis. Since you're a sage,
41:53
Speaker 2: I'll start with you. This whole diversity and equality industry
41:58
Speaker 2: does it actually do any good.
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Speaker 14: I think that back in the day it possibly did,
42:06
Speaker 14: and I want to put some context around that.
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Speaker 6: I think there has always been a time where change
42:12
Speaker 6: needed a little bit of a niggle and a little
42:14
Speaker 6: bit of a help around that, And I mean I
42:16
Speaker 6: grew up.
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Speaker 14: I'll give you an example, Andrew, when I was a young,
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Speaker 14: much younger person, I applied for a job at the
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Speaker 14: ABC as a young journalist and the cadet ship that
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Speaker 14: I applied for was called an NESP cadetship someone with
42:28
Speaker 14: a non English speaking background, and I obviously half Italian.
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Speaker 6: We spoke Italian at how I'm fluent in Italian.
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Speaker 14: So I didn't get the job spoiler alert. But that
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Speaker 14: sort of initiative I think can be helpful. The problem
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Speaker 14: is rarely the thing. It's usually how it's applied, and
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Speaker 14: when certain sectors of the community, or let's be honest,
42:51
Speaker 14: certain sections of politics get hold of it and take
42:54
Speaker 14: it to the nth degree, that renders it useless, expensive, ineffective.
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Speaker 6: And has a reverse effect. So I think that perhaps
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Speaker 6: in its initial stages it may have been useful.
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Speaker 14: And I think I can think that, you know, as
43:08
Speaker 14: a woman, I can also say that there have been
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Speaker 14: times where you know, it hasn't been fair and it
43:13
Speaker 14: hasn't been equable. I'm fifty one years old and I'm
43:15
Speaker 14: old enough to remember what that was like. So but
43:18
Speaker 14: I think where we sit today in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 14: it's out of control and it absolutely needs to have
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Speaker 14: the you know, the tree shaken, so to speak.
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Speaker 2: I get your point, but the problem I see with
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Speaker 2: this tribalism is that once you start favoring one tribe,
43:37
Speaker 2: other tribes will still go at the trough and it's
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Speaker 2: a zero sum game. Certainly, you know, Males, Christians, Whites, Asians, Jews,
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Speaker 2: they don't really get there, but almost everyone else does. Example,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Victoria, you know our rarest state has now got
43:54
Speaker 2: has beaten you South Wales. It's now got a law
43:57
Speaker 2: requiring the government to take what it calls an intersectional
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Speaker 2: approach to gender impact assessment, but considering the compounding effect
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Speaker 2: of other factors such as aboriginality, race, age, disability, religion,
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Speaker 2: gender identity, ethnicity and sexuality on gender inequality.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Daniel, just writing.
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Speaker 2: That stuff would have cost them a motza, you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to understand that rubbish as well actually doing programs
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Speaker 2: to check for all that.
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, no one of the Victorian government's primary voters
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Speaker 15: in the twenties, when you're going on with this, when
44:36
Speaker 15: you've got two hundred billion dollars in debt and they
44:38
Speaker 15: paid a billion dollars remember not to build a road.
44:40
Speaker 15: They don't even have an airport link, a train link
44:43
Speaker 15: to the airport, and then they're talking about this. The
44:45
Speaker 15: infrastructure is crumbling. You've got this massive population growth that
44:48
Speaker 15: hasn't been planned for. So you know a lot of
44:50
Speaker 15: people look at this and they just can't believe that
44:52
Speaker 15: our tax paid dollars are being spent on it. You know,
44:55
Speaker 15: when you talk about New South Wales as well, I
44:56
Speaker 15: was quite surprised to see that from Victoria. You sort
44:58
Speaker 15: of roll your eyes that struggrh Old doesn't go here
45:00
Speaker 15: we go again. But you know, the New South Wales
45:03
Speaker 15: Treasurer Daniel Mookie, I think he's tuting to look a
45:06
Speaker 15: little bit kooky if he's going to go down this
45:09
Speaker 15: Victorian path of wokism and DEI I don't know whether
45:14
Speaker 15: this is sort of the department putting the you know,
45:16
Speaker 15: the cart before the horses they sometimes want to do.
45:19
Speaker 15: But you know, at the end of the day, the
45:21
Speaker 15: government's got to take responsibility for this, and I would
45:23
Speaker 15: have expected a lot more from the Men's government, which
45:26
Speaker 15: has been pretty sensible. It's going to be said on
45:27
Speaker 15: a lot of economic matters. They kept the cold fire
45:29
Speaker 15: power station going, for example.
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Speaker 6: So let's see.
45:32
Speaker 15: But I just think Australian's had a gup full of this,
45:34
Speaker 15: and that is one service is provided on an equal basis.
45:37
Speaker 15: It's pretty simple.
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Speaker 14: Andrew, Can I just jump in with one more thought
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Speaker 14: on that, if that's okay, because I also think when
45:44
Speaker 14: it comes to these initiatives, it's really specific around the issues,
45:47
Speaker 14: right or sorry, around the sector.
45:48
Speaker 6: I'll give you an example. A couple of years ago, I.
45:51
Speaker 14: Had to have emergency surgery for a condition and I'm
45:54
Speaker 14: lying in bed looking up at the surgeon.
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Speaker 6: I wasn't interested in his gender.
45:58
Speaker 14: Race, sexuality, or intersectionality anything. Was he a well trained surgeon,
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Speaker 14: Yes he was. These initiatives tend to be imposed was
46:05
Speaker 14: about to say inflicted.
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Speaker 6: That's not untrue.
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Speaker 14: Imposed on sectors and on parts of the workforce where
46:13
Speaker 14: you know a person is not going to die necessarily
46:16
Speaker 14: if the person performing that operation is unqualified. It's very,
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Speaker 14: very selective where these initiatives get pushed.
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Speaker 2: And I must say I've worked for two female bosses
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Speaker 2: in my career, both wonderful women. I've learned a lot
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Speaker 2: from both. Know there was a DEI hire, Daniel.
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Speaker 6: No woman wants to be one. I can tell you.
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Speaker 6: No woman wants to.
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Speaker 3: Well, I know that, Jemma.
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Speaker 2: Well they say that, but I also know it's like
46:48
Speaker 2: actresses say, oh, I hate the way the industry doesn't
46:51
Speaker 2: hire people like me of a certain age when these
46:54
Speaker 2: are women you know, started their career because they were
46:57
Speaker 2: young and pretty.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know about that.
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Speaker 2: Women gets and then say how dare you I've.
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Speaker 14: Turned down I've turned down roles because I was offered
47:08
Speaker 14: it only because I was a woman.
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Speaker 6: That's just mayor. I can't speak for other women, but
47:11
Speaker 6: I have one hundred percent done.
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Speaker 3: Jemma, you were out of the box. You were out
47:15
Speaker 3: of the box. Daniel, what do you make of it? Well?
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Speaker 15: I think Andrew is spot on in a lot of
47:23
Speaker 15: these issues.
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Speaker 6: It's gone too far.
47:25
Speaker 15: And I don't think anybody wants to think that they've
47:28
Speaker 15: been in a place simply because of how they look
47:30
Speaker 15: or what the color of their skin is. And most
47:32
Speaker 15: people want to be dignified with the idea that they've
47:35
Speaker 15: made it because of their capacity to make a contribution
47:37
Speaker 15: to the community on whatever role it is, or their
47:39
Speaker 15: skills or qualifications. So look, I'm sure that there's some
47:43
Speaker 15: you know, maybe some women or other minority groups who
47:46
Speaker 15: seek it out, but I think most people, most Australians
47:48
Speaker 15: certainly want to be treated equally and they just want
47:50
Speaker 15: to have a crack at whatever job it is. I'm
47:52
Speaker 15: certainly a favor of equality of opportunity and removing barriers
47:55
Speaker 15: to people from getting a fair start at life, but
47:58
Speaker 15: beyond that, it really should be supporting people their aspirations
48:00
Speaker 15: rather than knocking people out on the basis of how
48:03
Speaker 15: they look. And I think that's a pretty common sense
48:06
Speaker 15: value that most Australians would hold.
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget that we live in a country where
48:11
Speaker 2: the Governor General seems to be a diversity in equity appointee.
48:15
Speaker 2: So we can't be too proud. Just quickly, Jemma, very
48:19
Speaker 2: quickly talk about no nonsense. Georgie of Maloney, nobody's affirmative
48:22
Speaker 2: action are Prime Minister of Italy visited Saudi Arabia this
48:26
Speaker 2: week to say deals with ten billion dollars, but even
48:29
Speaker 2: the fear of losing that money wasn't enough to persuade
48:32
Speaker 2: her to wear a headscarf for a Muslim host. Can
48:36
Speaker 2: you just give us a Brava in the two seconds.
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Speaker 14: I've left Brava Georgia Meloni, Forte Corrajo.
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Speaker 6: All I can say, don't underestimate a rhyming woman.
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Speaker 3: Germatoni, Daniel Wild. Thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 3: That's it from me, Sherry Markson. Now a good note