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Dean Dwyer: The World’s Inversion Of Truth · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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My brother from Australia is with us again, pastor, Dean Dwyer, Iser Street, Baptist
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Church into Wumba, Australia.
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And brother, it's so good to see you always, how you doing, man?
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Did I hear from your brother, Dan, I'm David, yeah, so good to see you again, too, brother.
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Yeah, so we've got some good news to report.
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Dean has been, has busy his life has been with working a job, being a pastor, health
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challenges, both you and Elsa, your wife.
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You are going to be a full timer at Iser Street Baptist Church starting in July 1st,
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is that right?
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Correct, amen.
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God start a lot of work in my life since the motorcycle accident six months ago, David.
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So during that time that, you know, I was laid off, he really grabbed hold of my heart
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and he really just put on my heart and convicted me and said, look, I want you to move into
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full time ministry.
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And making is really hard.
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I mean, for anyone who has done or was involved in tent-making, I have to explain what that
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is for those that might not be familiar with the term.
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Yeah, that's right.
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I have to explain to people, I don't make tents, I don't go camping, but tent-making merely
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is that you're deriving your income from a job, but you're also involved in ministry.
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And the emphasis behind that, of course, where it's not to be such a drain on church
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finances so that you're gaining an income and supporting your family through other
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means.
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But with that comes a lot, a lot of challenges, David, and you know, a lot of long days and
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a lot of stress, you know, you're constantly juggling in a ministry and work and you've
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got family there and, you know, you need to look up to yourself as well.
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So it became really difficult, very stressful.
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And I say to people, the irony is, you know, for God to get me to take a walk of faith,
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you had to break my back, you know, in amongst all the pain, there's been a lot of blessing
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there as well.
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Wow.
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Also, we want to just shout out to our friend and brother, Pastor John Penel, Calvert
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Chapel Lakeville, Illinois.
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He broke his neck a year ago, summertime, working during some work outside of his church.
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And I connected you guys because I thought he could be an encouragement to you, just
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briefly just share how that's going.
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Oh, Amen.
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Thank you, David, once again, because he reached out to me and he's been such an encouragement.
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And we stay in touch quite regularly.
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So if for anyone in his area, it seems like a stand-up guy, a solid pastor, please go
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along and support his church in ministry.
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Yes.
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Amen, brother Lakeville, Illinois, that's my brother, John Penel, Calvert Chapel there.
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So Dean, so your church is going to kind of have a little transition there.
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And I'm sure they're blessed to have you full time where you can concentrate and focus
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all your energy and efforts into just equipping the saints and doing the work of ministry
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that we're called to do as you're called to do.
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Very important topic today.
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You wrote an article, it's over at Harbinger's Daily, and it was put up on May 10.
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It's called a problem with truth.
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God and Satan have very different versions of free speech.
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So you sent me some notes in addition to what's on Harbinger's Daily.
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But set this up for us before we dive into some of the bullet points.
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Why did you, what led you into this topic at this point?
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Hmm, sure.
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I think as you talked about your tagline, David, it all comes back to truth.
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And we see a lot of words spoken in the world at the moment.
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We so see a lot of written word as well.
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And in amongst all of that, we've got to try and discern.
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What is the truth of everything that's going on throughout the world?
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And I think this has become increasingly difficult for people to be able to sift through
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and find what is the truth because we have so many voices.
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We've got voices from friends and family, work colleagues, governments, churches.
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What is the truth?
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How can we get to that truth?
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And this is what this article is all about because it examines what does truth look like
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in the modern square?
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And we try and drill down and understand there's really two pathways in terms of how the
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written and spoken word goes.
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And we break that into two halves.
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There's lies and there's truth.
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And obviously we work up from that foundation.
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And I think we know as Christians, you have a biblical worldview, we've got to start
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on the foundation of the truth.
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And then we work upwards from there.
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So you write about, oh, you mentioned Isaiah 520.
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One of the reasons it's so hard nowadays is evil is being called good, good is being
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called evil.
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In other words, protecting life in a mother's womb, that's good and that's biblical.
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But that's being called evil or whatever intolerant and abortion, the murder of preborn babies,
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that's called a right, a blessing, a choice, a good thing.
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So they're flipping language, they're changing words.
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And plus we've got the problem of moral relativism.
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So what is truth anyway, Jesus said, I'm the way the truth in the life.
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No one comes to the Father, but through me.
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And we need to be more discerning now than ever.
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Go ahead and share whatever else you'd like.
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Yeah.
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So Warren Wiesby was a great Bible commentator.
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He said, people love using God's vocabulary, but not their dictionary.
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And as you said, that's a really important point because there's a lot of spoken words
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out there, but people have simply changed their meaning.
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And as I said, 20 as you quoted is a really good example.
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It's not that these terms have changed in their definition.
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It's just that people have called them a different term.
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And most notably, that's when they flip things upside down and we see this inversion of truth
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in the public square.
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Yeah.
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Inversion.
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I like that.
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There's been a flip and in version of truth, I like the way you put that.
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So it's interesting.
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You wrote about just different thing, free speech, the word of God, truth and the papers
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that you sent me.
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This is even before we touch on the article that, again, friends, it's over.
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Dean's got page over at harbingers daily.com.
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We're blessed to have them as one of the sponsors of World View Matters.
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But why is this important, Dean, or maybe I should say, I know it's everybody listening
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and watching probably knows it's important, but why does the world have this issue, this
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problem with truth?
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Is it because they want to live, however they want and they want to deny that there's
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God?
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It's got to be more to it than that.
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Yeah.
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Look, David, I think it's as simple as that and there's two reasons that people can't
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see truth at the moment.
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One is, of course, we have spiritual deception and we know that that comes from the enemy
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himself.
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He has blinded people to the truth.
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But we love John 316, but a few passages over in John 319 to 20, it really gets to the
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crux of mankind's problem because it says, and this is the condemnation that light has
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come into the world and men love darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
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For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds
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should be exposed.
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So if mankind wants to keep his evil deeds hidden from the world, as he said before, he
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needs to start calling evil good so that his actions, his behavior, his moral failings
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are not unveiled as evil because we know people have a problem with the church calling
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our evil and calling our sins.
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So quite simply, they change the definition of terms so that people think it's all okay
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in public square.
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And the notes you sent me, thank you for going back to Romans 1, and we're seeing that
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played out in our world today.
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But Romans 118, earlier you mentioned an inversion of truth, Romans 118 says, for the wrath of
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God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the
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truth and unrighteousness.
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Go ahead and share it.
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Amen.
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And I think if you go further on, because there's a price to be paid for meddling with God's
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truth.
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This is what people don't understand.
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And if you go through Romans 1, he lists out very clearly what are the consequences for
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meddling and disrupting the truth of God?
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And one of them, you get to Romans 131 and listen, this expresses exactly what's going
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on in the heart and mind of people, particularly if you look at those people on university campuses
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which are anti-Jewish in nature, they become understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
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unmerciful.
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Now, that's pretty harsh language.
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These people think they're enlightened thinkers, but really they're just under the judgment
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of God.
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So before we go to the article, Dean, just walk us through some of these comparisons that
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you have, that you sent me, because I thought, wow, this is something, I almost wish we
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had a visual, you know, so people can see the different columns, but go ahead and just
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explain that.
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And then we'll take a break in about two minutes and we'll continue later.
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Absolutely.
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Well, we'll lead that into that by referring back to the Psalms.
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And Psalm 1 is a really good Psalm, so people to read, because it speaks about the two pathways
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available to me and Collins.
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And so what people might have noticed is that in Psalm 1, the very first word is blessed
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and the very last word is perish.
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And that really, really outlines the two parts available.
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You can also be blessed, but those who delight in the Word of God, or you can perish for
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those who don't delight in the Word of God.
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And in Hebrew, that word perish.
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We think of perish as well, that die or they go into the lasting position.
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That word perish really just means that wandered away.
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And that really describes our current state of affairs, doesn't it?
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For those who do not delight in the Lord of God, the teaching of God, then they wander
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away and they're on a path to their own destruction, because they don't hold the word of God in
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their hearts.
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So I think before we dive into some more of this, I think let's take a brief pause and
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Dean, we're just barely scratched the surface.
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I think we've got to pick up the pace a little bit here, brother.
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It's pretty extensive.
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I know people can go to Harbinger's and read the article.
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But go ahead and take us to the next phase of this.
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Why the world has such a problem with truth?
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I'm going to tell you something profound, David, that Psalm 1, after that comes Psalm 2.
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I know that's profound, but Psalm 2 is important.
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In Psalm 1, it talks about those who delight in the law of God, and in Psalm 2, it talks
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about those who defy the law of God.
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This is really what we see play out, and this is why we can break society into two halves,
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because you've got people who delight in the Word of God, you've got people who defy
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the Word of God.
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There's consequences for that.
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There's consequences in terms of how we think, because we know as believers we have the
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mind of Christ, but unbelievers they don't.
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They set themselves up in opposition to the truth of God, and from this flows, as we
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talked about, a redefinition of terms.
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People look at that terms very differently.
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In our current vernacular, we talk about free speech and your reference at article.
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In that article, we talk about the concept of parasia, which is an old grip term, which
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refers to speaking freely, confidently, openly, boldly.
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You might say, well, that describes that characterised as unbelievers at the moment
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as well, but the difference with parasia we're used in the Bible is that it's always connected
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to God's truth.
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This is the anchor point for the Christian who has the biblical worldview, because what
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we say is connected to God's truth.
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In the public square, for those who defy God's Word, we know that they only relish free
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speech when they're able to say things that are in hatred, or in anger, or things that
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support a particular bias in terms of their argument.
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So, free speech, we see people using that to say death to America, death to the Jews.
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Well, there's no fixed truth in that.
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So they may say, well, we have free speech and we're entitled to free speech.
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The problem is that when God connects that back to the concept of parasia in the Greek,
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there has to be connected to truth.
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And this is the plan of Satan.
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He wants to divide people from the truth, because we know that what God ordained Satan
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opposes.
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So he uses free speech in the mind of the unbeliever to really then start opposing what God had
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ordained.
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What have God ordained?
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We know he ordained family, church, we know that he called out Israel.
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So we know that because Satan is the father of lies, anything he says, he's not connected
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to the truth.
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And I often say to people, because Satan can't create, he corrupts.
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And that's exactly what he's done in relation to speech.
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He can't create speech, but he's corrupted speech for his own evil purposes and plans.
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Wow.
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That's good.
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What he cannot create, so he corrupts.
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I think of the LGBTQ movement.
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They cannot reproduce, so they have to recruit.
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Satan is the father of lies, the author of confusion.
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And I want to go back briefly to Psalm 2, because you brought that up.
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And it talks about why do the nations rage in the people plot a vain thing?
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The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together against
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the Lord and his anointed.
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And then it goes on.
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But verse four, I love it.
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And there's where we can get a good picture.
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He who sits in the heavens shall laugh.
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The Lord shall hold them in derision.
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And then he shall speak to them in his wrath and distress them in his deep displeasure.
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And then it goes on.
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But yeah, the nations are raging and plotting against Jesus, against God, the father,
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the creator.
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And we see that.
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One of the ways they do that, they reject the truth.
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And as you said, they invert the truth.
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So it's so important.
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So tell us more.
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You've talked about Parisa.
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Is that the right word?
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Parisa.
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Parisa, yeah.
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Parisa.
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And you brought up an important point, David, because at the moment, there are unbelievers
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who are speaking against God.
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And they don't believe that God speaks against them, but he very clearly does.
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He does that in Romans 1.
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He does that throughout, as you say, Psalm 2.
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What is speaking to these people?
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It's just that they're not listening.
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And unfortunately, there are going to be a lot of people that suffer eternal punishment
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because they are not listening to what God has outlined in his work, particularly in
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terms of the gospel.
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You know, it's interesting, and we look at the world who has primarily rejected God.
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Some have never heard the gospel.
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They're not living necessarily in rebellion, like something that knows that God.
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They never heard the gospel.
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They don't know any better.
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But others are there purposely hating the God they don't believe in, right?
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You've heard that.
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That's exactly right, yeah.
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I don't believe in God, and I hate him.
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But it's interesting, Christians, too, we've got to be listening.
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We've got to read the Word and be diligent about listening God speak to us.
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We can be so busy that we're not hearing the truth and we're not hearing God speak.
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So I'll continue to go through your article in the next point, whatever you'd like to share
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Dean.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Look about God's Word because we know that as believers, we uphold God's Word as infallible.
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We know it's in Aaron authoritative.
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We know it's reliable and sufficient to meet our needs.
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And let me read this list to you, David, is that the Word of God is a vital part of the
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believers' walk of faith.
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It upholds.
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It produces joy.
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It strengthens.
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It gives hope.
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It gives light.
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It gives understanding.
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It shows God's will.
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It builds up.
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It produces fruit.
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It convicts.
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It's a sin.
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It comforts the heart.
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It corrects the wrong and confirms the right.
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That's to the believer, but to the unbeliever.
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They look at the Bible and they see that this is full of hate speech in their words.
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They see it as unreliable, uninspired.
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They see it written by people that they believe were unenlightened.
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And so it's set aside as a word of truth.
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Some people might call it a literary work, but a lot of people call it fable, but can't
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give us anything in terms of fulfilling our life.
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Now I took this from your American Humanist website, listen to this quote, David.
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If the humanist view of the Bible is correct, millions of Bible believers and church goers
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are wasting much time, money and energy.
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Humanity's condition could be greatly improved if those resources were used for solving
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the world's problems instead of worshipping a non-existent God.
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Now sad is that the God who loved them so much, he sent his son to die for their sins,
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they just completely, as you said before, completely and utterly reject his love for them.
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What an interesting thought from the humanist perspective, that worldview,
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and that we are wasting our time worshipping a quote non-existent God.
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And I'm thinking, man, if I hope they hear the gospel from somebody,
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I hope before it's too late, before they die, because they are in for a rude awakening
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is too kind of a way to put it, but these people are in for their God's wrath and judgment.
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Go ahead, Dean.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And look, it all connects back to truth, as we said.
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And we know that truth flows from the Word of God.
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John 17, 17, this is a passage that I love, sanctified in by your truth.
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Your word is truth.
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So we upholds, you know, the church should be the pillar and foundation of truth.
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That means that we know with the foundation, when we build our house,
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the foundation doesn't move.
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And unfortunately, what we see in the church today is that they've moved the foundation of truth
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by moving away from a biblical doctrine, a biblical worldview in the church,
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and what happens then, the pillars come down.
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So the church is no longer ground and the pillar of truth.
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And that's why the enemy attacks truth so much, because that's the foundation of our faith.
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So if you can attack the foundation, then of course we know that they hold house crumbles.
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The problem and the concern is that we see some in the church grabbing a sledgehammer
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and attacking their foundations as well.
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So not only are we here allowing the enemy to do this,
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then unfortunately, there are some Christians who are attacking the foundation of their own faith as well.
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And all that's going to do is exacerbate that problem with the foundation coming down.
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I like what Philips Brooks, he wrote one of my favorite Christmas songs,
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a little town of Bethlehem.
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He wrote this,
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truth is always strong, no matter how weak it looks.
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And falsehood is always weak, no matter how strong it looks.
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And that's what we see play out in the public square.
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They give the impression, particularly on university campuses,
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that's this free Palestine movement, is a strong movement,
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but it's based on falsehood.
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So it's utterly weak.
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And that's why we as believers need to continue to speak up against anti-Semitism
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that we see in our societies.
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Unfortunately, that movement has come to Australia.
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So there are some universities in Australia, sadly,
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who have started to do these protests as well.
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And that just greets my heart, David.
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It's just a terrible, terrible thing.
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Well, it's ignorance on steroids.
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And part of the problem is the redefinition of truth
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or the suppression of truth,
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because they don't know true world history,
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let alone the Bible and the truth and the Old Testament
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and about the land and about God's promises.
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And so much more.
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But Dean, let's go over to Ephesians 6.19,
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which you share with Paul writes,
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for me, he prays that utterance may be given to me
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that I may open my mouth boldly
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to make known the mystery of the gospel.
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And so you say parisia is used there as well.
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And it talks about free speech connected to truth,
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confident free speech.
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So in the last four minutes, Dean,
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let's just talk about that in our responsibility.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And we do have a responsibility.
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I mean, this is what Christians sometimes neglect or forget.
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We talk about the concept of pastors
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and people like yourself and others who are in front line ministry.
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That they are the ones that should really be out there
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and be outspoken.
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But this is the task of every believer.
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And I think we need to focus and concentrate more
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on equipping each believer in order to be outspoken
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in public square.
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Because as we know from the scriptures,
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we are all part of the royal priesthood,
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which means that we all have a role to play.
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Some are gifted in some areas and God uses that.
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But we can all speak to friends, family,
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workmates, particularly about the concept of truth.
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Now, when it comes back to Parasia, as I said,
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this is speaking boldly, confidently, openly,
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because it connects back to God's truth.
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And I love, there's a passage in Acts 431.
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And it says, and when they had prayed,
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the place where they were assembled together was shaken.
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And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit
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and they spoke the word of God with bolts.
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And that's that Greek word Parasia.
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That was filled with the Holy Spirit.
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Remember how the disciples were at the point
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of the crucifixion and then look at them now
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as they filled with the Holy Spirit.
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And to that for us, as believers,
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we have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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We have that same boldness, confidence, and power
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if we're willing to use it and allow God to use us.
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That's a great point.
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Their transformation must have been really astounding
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from these many of them.
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We're uneducated fishermen.
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In fact, what gospel is it, Dean, oh wait a minute,
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no, it's the book of Acts where it talks about the Pharisees,
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the religious leaders warned them,
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they're threatening them not to speak in Jesus' name.
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Peter was preaching boldly.
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And one thing that they observed is they had been
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with Jesus.
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Amen.
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So that's a good example for us to be in God's word,
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spend time in his presence.
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And we will get the word of God in us.
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And hopefully that will produce some natural Lord,
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I trust you.
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I'm led by the Holy Spirit,
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some little boldness of ourselves.
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Close us out here in the last minute and a half.
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Amen.
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I was reading a bit of Australia's history the other day.
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And you know on our coat of arms,
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people might realize and people in Australia as well,
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that on our coat of arms is a kangaroo and an emu.
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And people might wonder why they chose those animals.
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But did you know that kangaroo and the emu,
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they cannot move backwards.
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They are two animals that cannot move backwards.
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And so I think Australia chose that
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because of its progressive nature
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that always wanted to move forward as a nation.
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But unfortunately what we see is that Australia
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is moving backwards.
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So I mean, unfortunately we have joined in this UN vote
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recently where they want to propel this concept
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of the Palestinian state.
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And so unfortunately what I see is Australia has gone
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backwards spiritually.
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There's a spiritual decline in Australia.
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And that grieves us.
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There's a number of really good pastors in Australia.
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I know there's a concept that particularly amongst
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Aussie believers that there's no good churches here.
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There are good Brendan believers here.
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There are good Brendan pastors here.
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Go out and look for them, support them, pray for them
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because they really need your help.
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That's a good point.
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So many nations have moved backwards spiritually.
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America, I mean, I see our decline.
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I don't know if we're moving backwards.
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It feels like it from where we should be going
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from our founding and what we were so blessed with.
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But Dean, I always go by so fast
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where I was good to connect with you.
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We'll see you in the near future.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, brother.
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All right, guys, what a blessing.
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And thank you for supporting the show
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and sharing the podcast.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.