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Happy belated birthday, Justin. Thank you.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.
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For the audience, in case this becomes the intro, we skipped a
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week because you know, a lot of stuff came up a mugs including
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your birthday. And I think I need to add that
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to my Google Calendar because like I've already forgotten what
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day it was and you don't need to say it.
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You don't need to say it, but for.
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My birthday guys, this is my social.
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Yeah, I. Already have my pseudonym.
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Hello and welcome to Potato Chip Pictures, the movie franchise
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review Podcast. My name is B Sammy Davis.
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Hello, Jenna and Justin. And today we are looking at
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1990s Child's play to Justin. Tell me about this movie.
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I wish I could have never seen it again in my life.
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Now, the director of this movie, based on our extensive research,
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is John Lafayette with Don Mancini.
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Or if we remember that was the one of the original
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screenwriters on Child's Play 1 coming back to screenwrite #2
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and future spoiler, he comes back a lot.
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Producer for this is again David Kirschner with a WOW symmetrical
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budget of $13 million. The return, however, is about 9
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million less than last time, 35.8 million.
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Yeah. And I so I watched a video
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today. I didn't know this, but
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apparently there was like either district distributor or like not
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producer, but there was one of the companies involved in this
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franchise like wanted out of horror at the last minute.
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And so they had like a a majority stake in the franchise.
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And then one of their owners was just like, no, horror is evil.
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We're not going to be spreading evil in the world.
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And and so it almost never happened.
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And frankly, you could have had no sequel and, and I think
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Child's Play would stand on its own, but.
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Yeah. I'm going to go out on a limb
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and say this might be one of those franchises where I end up
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enjoying it a lot more than you, because I love this movie.
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Spoiler I mean, we haven't gotten to the reviews, but no, I
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I mean as a bird's eye view of my rating, I think he dies as
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much in this one as he did in the first one.
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And knowing that this is a several movie franchise, I'm
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like, well, I can imagine in 1990 them assuming that he's
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finally dead and it kind of sticking, but kind of being open
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because he came back after Child's play 1.
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Knowing that he comes back for many more rounds is a bit of a
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spoiler. I think that colours my review
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like this horror icon. I'll give him that isn't going
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to die and he looked super dead in this one.
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Yeah, this, this is going to be a hard one to come back from.
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This is not. This is going to be one of those
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where where I'm interested to see because frankly, I was
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curious how they would bring him back in this one.
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And I think it's then I was satisfied.
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Yeah, I. Think so too, yes?
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I think the teeth were needlessly creepy.
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I don't know about needlessly, but I think they were creepy.
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Yeah, I was just like, would they really put these like these
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steel but browned and. Charred real, like really
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interesting practice at a dentistry office or something.
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But also gross and faded and like they they didn't put new
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teeth in it is the point that I'm making.
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I'm just like, what the heck. But there's really only I'm
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going to just say in the big picture, as I'm thinking about
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this whole movie, there are two moments where I didn't like them
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and well, no, see, you know, that was that was creepy and I
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liked it. I appreciate it.
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But there are two moments and and when we get to them, I'm
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going to be like, this was one of them.
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This this kind of coloured my score.
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But I, you know, I don't mind being like the movie and saying
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this one kind of takes off at a clip.
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They're like, let's get moving, no time to waste, Like let's go.
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I pulled up the wiki to try and be like, OK, what exactly
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happened? Because yes, while the clip is
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faster, I I feel like nothing particularly happens other than
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like, I don't know, I feel like the cop story from the first one
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and going to like, I don't know what you call it, Winnie, when
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Andy gets taken by the police officer and left in the the
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hospital area. This one is at a foster house
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and at the factory. And there's, it's like there's
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two locations in this in this movie and that's it feels weird.
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Well, I guess. I, I kind of feel like this was
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a much better opening then the first one.
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Like the first one had this action opening and then we go to
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boredom for like 15 minutes and this one gives us the exposition
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with the action. So like we're getting the
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rebirth of Chucky. Meanwhile, we're seeing like
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what happened to Andy, His mother got institutionalized.
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And I don't, I guess Detective Norris just kind of changed his
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story and that's why he's not in the movie.
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But that that made some kind of a scumbag to be like, oh, I
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guess I wasn't being killed by a doll.
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Yeah, I was coming back over what happened.
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They see. I didn't I either either.
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I missed the explanation. I felt like this, Whatever his
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name was, Mattson is the main initial lawyer kind of guy.
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I don't know. Oh yeah, the executive.
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Yeah, he I'm either I missed it, but it however we find out that
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it's two years since the events. I'm like why is it reading it?
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I'm like why is it 2 years like this feels like?
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Because it's been 2 years. Oh, in 19. 88 to 1990.
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See, I mean, it's it's a fantastical story, so let's I
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don't need to be that nitpicky, but it didn't feel like 2 years.
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Sure, the kid could have grown two years, but you could have
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told me that this was like 6 months from the first one.
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I'm like, yeah, that's fine. I wouldn't have bought it.
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I wouldn't have bought it if you said six months.
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He's noticeably older. This is to me, this is like the
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Stranger Things actors still being in high school.
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I'm like, why are these college graduates still seniors in high
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school? Like, I just feel like at least
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this franchise was kind enough to be like, hey, our child actor
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has gotten older because that's how time works.
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So the story is going to jump way ahead.
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Now, I am going to say it's a little weird that for two years,
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Andy was never placed with a foster family.
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He was essentially institutionalized, just like his
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mother. Yeah, I can.
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I can agree with that. But yeah, I do think the
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executives are sufficiently sleazy.
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Oh yeah. Everybody's going to forget
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about it like it's been 2 years. I would imagine they would
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forget about it if you just, you know, got rid of the doll.
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The reconstruction for analysis is kind of a throw away, OK.
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We got to reconstitute him for some reason, yeah.
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I guess I had kind of blocked that from my mind.
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So there are three things that are kind of weak in this movie.
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And the reconstruction of Chucky, while I'm glad it's
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happening and it gets us into the movie quickly, at the same
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time, when I was watching it, I was like, why would they do
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that? Like, why would that make sense
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at all? Why don't you just grab the
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black box from it? Why do you have to build the
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whole thing out of new parts with the same head?
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I guess And it. Seems like they they have a
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little bit of trust in the credibility of the story and
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then it kills one of the workers once it gets rebuilt.
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It's like. Well.
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If this could be an evil doll, you know, guys, yeah, let's
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let's go throw it away because we're going to dispose of the
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doll that we reconstructed for analysis.
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Like, I don't know. If I were the executive, so
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accepting that we are now going to destroy the thing that killed
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another person and we don't want to actually analyze it.
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If I were the executive and I saw it now sitting upright next
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to the door, I think I'd be pretty freaked out.
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We'd be like, screw this noise. We're done.
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We're done here, everybody. I am quitting, it's my last day
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and I don't call me. You guys deal with the doll, I'm
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out of here. That's surely what he should
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have done. Well the guy that takes him to
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dispose of him gets strangled in his car.
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The only issue I have with this whole thing is that the wiki
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says he was pulling over to get vodka for his wife and I.
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In the phone call it sounds like he says like happy two week
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anniversary or? Something, Yeah, can't be his
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wife, I. Was like who is what is this
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phone call? Is he supposed to be more sleazy
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or what? I don't know that I'd watch it
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again just to figure that out, but I might watch it again just
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to figure that out. I, I clearly remember the two
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week anniversary because I was thinking like, OK, this is a
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nerdy yuppie. Yeah.
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And he's bought himself a new girlfriend.
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And so he's got to, he's got to keep her drunk in order to keep
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her there. And that's.
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What it felt like, yes. Yeah.
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So I think that was just a a misprint on whichever Wikipedia
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editor decided to write that, because I'm looking at the the
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horror dot fandom page. And what?
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Is it? Saying I'm looking for it and
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I'm not seeing anything about Mattson's.
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Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. Here we are.
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Here we are. Mattson attempts to put Chucky
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into his trunk. Then he goes, let's see.
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Stops at the liquor store for the vodka for his anniversary
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while the liquor store he they don't say anything.
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They don't say anything about the phone call.
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They just say he stopped at the the liquor store.
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They don't even talk about his gold card getting denied because
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they only take cash. Cash only man, I mean that did a
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good job as placing him as a yuppie or something.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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So, you know, scene setting, I think it's pretty good.
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And I love that it we're we've got a living doll right away and
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we've got Oh my God, I can't believe I've forgotten his name.
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Brad Dorff's voice right away. There's very little of the movie
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where we're pretending that Chucky is a doll like, so to the
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credit of this franchise, they're like Chucky's back baby,
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and I like that. Yeah, I mean, I don't based on
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the introduction, yes, Andy is at a foster home, but man, it
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just feels so like, well, this really sucks, doesn't it now?
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Like. Yeah.
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They might try to be good foster parents, but man, just.
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The foster dad sucks. Yeah.
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Phil. That's his name it feels like.
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Sure. Yeah, well, and I feel like they
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they wrote it to feel like the bad stepfather, like someone who
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just married the mom and and he's some jerk, but he's a
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foster dad like he shouldn't. I don't know.
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I'm I'm spoiled by Shazam the DC movie where?
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It's. Such a wholesome foster family.
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I'm just like, why couldn't this be wholesome?
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Just believe Andy and all. This kind of resolves too
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quickly I guess. True I.
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Appreciated the older foster sister being oh, I feel like
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she's she's too cool to be actually still in this house
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with this foster people if they're like get Andy out of
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here. But Kyle, yeah, she's fine.
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Yeah, like, sure, she smokes and she comes in late and she
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probably gets arrested a few times, but we're.
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Andy thinks his doll is trying to kill him.
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Get him out of here. He's too much.
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Yeah. And why?
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I'm. Well, OK, fine.
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It's a popular doll. These are people with money.
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They bought the doll for another kid.
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So there's a Tommy in the house, but it, you know, triggers Andy
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and we get some pretty great child acting from a kid who was
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freaked out by this doll. Oh, I liked it.
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I like that. I really got to say, there are
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moments of this foster family where I'm like, great touch.
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I like that. I just really don't like Phil.
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That's my beef. Phil gets to be the sacrifice.
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Nice, but not yet. Much later.
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For now, he's just a jerk. Yeah, because they, let's see,
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Chucky used the phone in the car to figure out where Andy is
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because he's still set on changing into a human because he
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doesn't want to be a doll. I don't know if he started
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bleeding out of his nose yet, but the sign that he turned into
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a person is that he could bleed. So he shows up, ties up Andy
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with Kyle's gone like that first night, right?
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Like. Yeah, it's so quick.
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I was shocked at how fast Chucky got into the house and started
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doing hijinks. Like he buries Tommy, he breaks
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the priceless thing, he ties up Andy and no one.
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Well, of course, no, that's that's one of the brilliant
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things about this franchise, at least in these first two movies.
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Of course, no one believes that a doll is doing this.
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It's got to be the kids. Like Andy's the new person in
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the house. People are what break things.
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It's got to be Andy, so. It works that way.
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Yeah, it I, I felt like I was really deep in the movie, and it
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really was because there was no pretense of surprise.
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They were just like, let's have Chucky be evil, let's let him do
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it for the whole movie. Step 1.
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So he goes to sleep, apparently not not disturbed enough to not
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fall asleep before the next day going to school.
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Like I don't know if Chucky says why he's not gonna try it again.
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I mean, maybe I guess it's Kyle's home, but I don't think
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Andy shares the room with Kyle. But no, she just came in through
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his bedroom window cuz. Yep.
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That's not her bedroom window. Or maybe, I mean, they don't say
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anything about it, maybe they do and I missed it, but it's nice
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that she does. She saves him.
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That's good. She, she.
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I have no problems with Kyle. I like, maybe I'll think of
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something, but I think for most of the part I think it was a
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welcome character. Yeah, I'm, I'm a big fan of
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Kyle. I kind of hope we get to see
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more Kyle. Like I'm sure we're going to get
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more Andy because we've had two movies of Andy, and Andy is the
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one that in theory, Chucky needs to transfer to his body.
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But then again, thanks to the end of this movie, we know
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that's no longer the case. So maybe we're going to be done
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with Andy. Maybe we follow Kyle.
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I genuinely don't know. I'm sure I have seen the third
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one once in my life. I just don't remember it.
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We will see it again. Yeah, but yeah, I I like Kyle.
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I thought Kyle was a great character and I'll admit, a
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little too 80s for me at the beginning.
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I was like, OK, we got a girl smoking and saying I'm a big
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girl. I'm a, I'm a woman now I'm 17
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and that's that's just going to be kids forever.
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That's the way they are. I'm, I'm as I'm aging, I am
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realizing, yeah, man, once a kid hits 1617, they're like, I'm
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ready, give me the world. I can take it.
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I'm I'm ready to take on everything and.
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It's be fine. Yeah, so in that way, Kyle is
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kind of realistic. It just came off a little two
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80s for me 'cause really, the 80s aren't going to end until
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Nirvana tells us about Teen Spirit.
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With this one is the 1990. Yeah, but I don't think, I don't
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think the 90s begins until what, 9293?
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Is that when grunge begins? Feels like it the school.
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Yes, let's get to my first big thumbs down.
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Sure, he wakes up after being tied up the night before, no
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problem going back to sleep. They go to school and we see
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Chucky's legs hitch a ride on the bottom of the bus and so
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obviously Chucky is also at school.
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I. Don't even know what happens
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before Chucky writes stuff on Andy's paper because I feel like
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something must have happened, like he introduced himself to
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the class or something. And I remember, yeah, it's like
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either nothing happens or it was so bland.
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I don't recall for that reason. Because Chucky kind of just gets
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gets Andy in trouble but then gets locked in the closet so
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Andy runs away. But.
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Oh, yeah, OK. Everything you just said sounds
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great. We've got Chucky causing mayhem,
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making Andy out to be really this little hellion.
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Like, he is bad at home, he's bad at school.
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Like maybe Phil's right. Maybe Andy's not ready for human
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society. And and then Chucky gets locked
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in that closet, which is not the plan.
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And he tries to get out, but he can't.
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So he begs Andy to let him out. Andy runs away.
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And like, this should be a great setup.
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I just, I don't care. I don't know.
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I don't like that he kills the teacher because there's no
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consequence. And I just don't know the
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teacher well enough to be like, scared that he's going to kill
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her, you know? She she's mean to Andy.
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And it's like, well, is Chucky just, you know, taking care of
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the people that hurt Andy? You can make it a slight
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argument for that, but. A guardian Angel, right?
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Yeah, I think the he stabs her with like an error.
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Yeah, like a bike. In the closet and then
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apparently beats her to death with the yardstick.
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But. Mm hmm.
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I think did you say there's like no consequence it just.
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I don't know if we ever hear about it.
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The teacher's dead. The.
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Parents Kettlewell calls while she's alive to say that Andy was
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kept after school and no one calls them to be like the
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teacher is dead. Like I to my knowledge, I think
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it's a it's an inconsequential death.
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Yes, maybe I would agree because I was trying to rack my brain
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and say, well, yeah, the school calls to tell him that, oh, the
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teacher's dead and and he's implicated in that.
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It's like that would kind of make sense.
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I'll. But Nope, we just end up back at
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the foster home. Yeah.
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It's like, why did he have to go to school to kill his teacher?
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That's I feel like yes I guess this is 1/3 location but nothing
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consequential really happens. It's just another kill.
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Yeah, that's really all it is. Is just a kill scene.
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No consequence, no future reference, No one cares.
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We're never going to go back to school anyway, So what does it
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matter? Yep.
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That solidifies it for me. I mean, that's just one of my
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two big thumbs down because when we go home, I, I don't know, I'm
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really into the murder night that comes because on our second
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night is when really everything goes down.
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This movie does not give us a week.
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It doesn't give us a few days. It's like 2 days. +2 years, yes.
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But we didn't get to see those two years.
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It's just the story itself happens in I think just the.
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Course of two days yeah Yep, I and I feel like that's where
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it's I'm thankful that it's fast but also I guess I don't know
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how long the first movie took because he has his birthday gets
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Chucky. I think it was like 3 days.
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Maybe, maybe takes takes Chucky out on the town, you know, and
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they blow up the house. Yeah, and he goes to the mental,
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the psychological hospital. It might also just be two days.
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Maybe this whole franchise is a 2 day affair.
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Things that happen over 2 days. Just the factory, Foster house,
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school, foster house, factory like.
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Well, there is a location in between.
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There's the orphanage. Orphanage.
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So I'll give you the quick of it, unless you want me to slow
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down for things, but I can't. Remember it?
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They go back home. Chucky or Andy tries to confront
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Chucky. Chucky kills Phil, the mom.
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I've already forgotten her name. She calls foster care to say you
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got to take him. He's taken back to the orphanage
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and Kyle discovers that Chucky is alive and Chucky kidnaps
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Kyle. So there's also the road that's
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another extended location. The road that's right next to
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the. Yeah, this orphanage that's
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right next to a toy factory. Yeah, I guess not right next to
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it. The you know, there was that
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news truck that drove them around for a while.
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It just feels that way. Feels so sparse, I think it's my
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main complaint. See, I'm going to recommend a
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movie to everybody. It's called Hush, and I think
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that's genuinely only one location.
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Like I think they show up to the cabin in the woods, the
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neighbors come over once, and then the rest of the movie just
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happens in that cabin. And it's one of my favorite
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thrillers. It's very, very good.
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You can't even say anything more about it.
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I mean, I'll, I'll say the big gimmick about the movie is that
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there, I think there's only four characters in the whole movie.
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The main character is a deaf woman.
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The killer is just some masked man who shows up, and he's
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trying to terrorize her, but he discovers that she doesn't hear
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him. So then he decides to terrorize
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her in other ways. We meet the two neighbors.
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They show up maybe once or twice in the whole movie, but it's so
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limited and so powerful. Like, it's such an incredible
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movie. And I think it primed me for
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movies that are, you know, limited in what they're going to
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show us. I'll have to give it a try.
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Yeah. Orphanage because Phil's dead.
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Yeah, I, I do want to say I'm, I'm on the fence about Phil's
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death. It's, I don't know it, it does
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make me flinch when he falls and breaks his neck.
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But like the hook and the house that hang and fail, Like there's
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just some Chucky moments that don't work for me.
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But the tension, the build up to it while Andy is hunting Chucky,
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like, that's a very tense scene. And I just didn't feel the
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payoff of Phil getting murdered at the end of that scene.
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I don't know. But then other times I think
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about it and I'm like, everything came to a head, and
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it was a third party who took the beating for it, you know?
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Yeah, I don't know. Do you have any thoughts about
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this night, this murder? Just trying to go back to it.
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I think it's in the first movie. Andy doesn't really go after
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Chucky to kill him, does he? No, he is so scared.
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I think Chucky, it's a nice it's a nice growth from that.
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He gets the Turkey knife electrical gadget and protects
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himself. But he's he's looking for Chucky
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to take the fight to him at like, that's something.
30:01
It's commendable. It's and like you said, it's
30:05
character growth. Thumbs up.
30:08
I don't know. That's why I feel like Phil's
30:10
death doesn't work for me because leading up to it is a
30:14
genuinely great moment for Andy. Like, yeah, he's just a kid.
30:18
He doesn't know how to defend himself, but he knows it's going
30:23
to be him or Chucky, and he has to make it him.
30:27
Like no one's going to believe him.
30:29
No one's going to back him up. He has to beat Chucky tonight,
30:35
and I like that. It's good.
30:39
I think some of the like, oh, he's going to be in the washing
30:43
or the dryer and he goes and checks it.
30:47
It's kind of a little silly to me, but I'm not too concerned
30:53
about it. Phil dying, It kind of feels
30:59
like what you call it, justice for not believing Andy.
31:04
Like just listen to the kid. He sounds terrified.
31:08
Like, is it? How bad is it to say, oh, you're
31:13
really terrified right now? Maybe we should figure out what
31:17
you're talking about. Yeah, the best dad in this whole
31:20
movie is Kyle after Phil is dead and they're they're both in the
31:25
backyard and and he's just like, I didn't kill him.
31:29
Like I am just telling you that doll is alive.
31:34
It is going to try to kill me. And frankly, if you don't get
31:39
out of here, it's probably going to kill you too.
31:41
Like oh man, I love Kyle and Andy in this movie together.
31:47
Like they do feel like brother and sister and this is a really
31:54
good scene for the two of them. Yeah, I think it's a good, it's
31:58
a good pair, but they take Andy away, but we stay at the house.
32:07
Yeah, because Kyle's going to go swinging in the backyard.
32:12
She uncovers the disturbed dirt because, of course, Chucky
32:16
buried the doll under. A Tommy doll.
32:20
Like for narrative purposes, it had to be there so that she
32:24
could swing and uncover it accidentally.
32:27
But I'm also thinking, well, I, I don't know the full layout of
32:32
the garden, but it seemed like everything else was very grassy.
32:37
Yeah. And so I think people would
32:38
notice. So I think the swing was a good
32:41
call because it's already where no grass is.
32:46
Sure. OK.
32:50
But I don't know if there were other spots.
32:52
I'm sitting here thinking about it and I'm like, weren't there
32:54
also bushes nearby like or a a thick wooded area?
33:00
Like couldn't you also dig there?
33:02
Like I just don't remember the backyard well enough.
33:05
I remember being satisfied by the placement at the time, but
33:10
now I'm thinking about it and maybe I'm just rewriting the
33:14
scene in my head, like misremembering.
33:17
Just a doll. It's not an actual dead body, so
33:20
it's not like. Yeah, but it still feels pretty
33:22
horrifying. But Kyle tries to tell what is
33:31
her name. Joanne, I just saw it.
33:35
About the doll. But she's already dead because
33:38
Chucky's been here the whole time.
33:42
And he tries to get Kyle, but he chooses not to kill her.
33:49
Like he chooses to kidnap her and force her to take him to the
33:55
orphanage. And I'm sitting here thinking,
33:56
why don't you do that with Joanne?
33:59
Like, or did he just. I don't know.
34:02
I don't, I don't understand a psychopath reasoning for what
34:05
they do. Yeah.
34:09
But it also seems like he's he's genuinely trying to kill Kyle.
34:15
I wouldn't trust him to let her go, so yeah.
34:19
It's just weird that that he ends up kidnapping her, but
34:24
she's going to drive. We're going to get some scenes
34:27
on the road, some pretty good scenes on the road.
34:31
If I'm honest. I really, I don't know, I'm
34:37
finding just like, so in the last movie I said I really liked
34:40
everything with Andy and Chucky. Well, now I'm liking everything
34:45
with Andy, Chucky and Kyle. Like, those are the three double
34:51
thumbs up characters for me. Yeah.
34:56
You know, except for the teacher kill.
34:58
That's my thumbs down. Yeah, I like Kyle and most of
35:04
what she has to do in this trying to keep Andy safe.
35:10
She's she feels like a character in on the horror.
35:16
She I mean, she gets kidnapped, so like forced to go driving,
35:23
but like the mom and the dad and the orphanage and the felt like
35:28
even the executives didn't really treat the doll as, oh,
35:34
actually this thing could be alive.
35:38
Yeah, everybody has heard this story and nobody believes it.
35:44
Everybody keeps hearing this kid is convinced that a doll is
35:48
trying to kill him, and then the doll shows up and there's some
35:51
mysterious murders. No one thinks it could be the
35:56
doll. Impossible.
36:00
Just have a bunch of really, if you mean to go back to the first
36:05
movie, all the aftermath of that, yeah.
36:10
I've got one more beef. It's not a full thumbs down,
36:13
it's just something that I realized I was misremembering
36:17
because it doesn't make sense that it happens in the order
36:21
that it happens. In my head.
36:24
They go to the orphanage first and then Kyle crashes the car
36:28
and tries to run over Chucky. But no, she crashes the car like
36:36
right next to the orphanage. Yeah, I was trying to, Oh yeah,
36:42
'cause he goes there first. I thought the same.
36:46
Yeah, like in my head, that's what it had to be with.
36:48
The wiki is saying that she crashes, they have their fight.
36:53
We one thing I liked is we're watching Kyle's feet thinking
36:58
that he's going to go for the ankles and then he's on the hood
37:00
of the car and he's got his knife to her throat where he's
37:05
like, no, you're going to take me there.
37:08
Oh, and I so I guess they get back in the car and they drive
37:11
the car to the orphanage. Seeing I was trying to remember
37:16
what happens in the orphanage because Chucky gets another kill
37:20
because the orphanage director picks him up.
37:26
Apparently he's able to hide. Oh, I don't know, a knife on
37:30
him? Yeah, and she falls on the
37:34
copier. Oh, I do like the copier.
37:37
Oh boy, once you reminded me of the copier, I was like, you know
37:40
what? Screw everything you just said.
37:43
This was a brilliant kill. I'm like, I keep on, we keep
37:51
hitting the beats that throw your score upwards and my score
37:57
downwards. Like I said, I think this is
38:02
going to be a franchise where I'm going to come away saying
38:05
brilliant, this was the best. I'm here like I I I can't have
38:14
any refund for watching. This show.
38:17
Now in my defense, this is not like Double O 7.
38:21
This was your idea. I mean, it's fair.
38:24
It's fair. I admit that I I do want to hit
38:30
franchises that maybe I didn't see the original go around.
38:36
I hear that it gets better, so I'm excited for a better.
38:41
And I'm already on board. I am already like, we let's go
38:47
on another ride. Oh.
38:52
Well, I I was about the cup machine.
38:57
And I was thumbs up about the coffee machine Which.
39:01
You think of any of the other ones?
39:03
Oh, I mean, my Brutal 1 is in the factory that we'll have to
39:09
get there, yeah. I was going to say there's not a
39:12
whole lot to come. There's a car chase that's
39:14
pretty good because Andy and Chucky get into a newspaper
39:22
delivery truck that just drives around with the back open, I
39:26
guess. And the 80s were different, man.
39:29
Even though this is 1990, I'm still going to say the 80s were
39:32
different. And Kyle has to pull up next to
39:38
him and get him to pull over. But they're gone, and it turns
39:41
out we're at the factory, and this is my thumbs down.
39:48
The assembly line has its moments, especially towards the
39:52
end, but the doll area, the maze, the labyrinths, I hate
40:00
that so much. Thumbs down on the lab.
40:03
I love it. I love it.
40:04
Never mind. No, I hate it too.
40:09
It's it looking at it backwards, it just does a pad for time.
40:17
Like they, they run away and then suddenly they find the area
40:21
that's clear for them. Like, yeah.
40:25
They get lost and they're scared.
40:27
It looks like they're running in a circle like two or three
40:30
times. I think they take several right
40:34
hand turns and then like 1 left hand turn at one point.
40:38
And I'm just like, why would anyone set up a factory where
40:41
you could get lost like this warehouse makes no sense.
40:47
And so just the storage area, like, I get it.
40:52
I don't get it at all. I'm I'm about to say I get it
40:55
because we need Chucky to to discover that he can no longer
40:59
change back or transfer bodies, But he could do that anywhere.
41:06
He could do that on the factory floor.
41:08
We don't need the warehouse maze.
41:12
I agree. It's the worst part of this
41:15
whole movie. I think I liked when they were
41:18
scrambling up a conveyor belt to get away a little bit.
41:23
See, and I, I, that's what I was about to say, is like, I'm so
41:27
angry at the labyrinth that it kind of makes me forget that I,
41:31
I really do like the factory. It sticks in my head.
41:36
I know I had seen it before because once it started
41:39
happening I was like, holy crap, I've seen this.
41:42
I had not seen the rest of the movie, but I have seen this
41:45
factory and I had a lot of fun watching it again.
41:52
There's 11 kill that is similar to the teacher kill.
41:59
It's just like we got to kill someone else.
42:02
Who is it? Let's find out the.
42:04
Technician. Factory worker?
42:06
Yep, and it is the same technician.
42:10
It's the other guy who was assembling Chucky.
42:14
Man, that's just that's just bad luck, yeah.
42:18
He got them both. But yeah, that one's pretty
42:22
brutal. I wouldn't say it's my favorite
42:27
because the whole setup was like, oh, Andy and Kyle have to
42:30
get through this machine that's putting eyes in the dolls, but
42:33
it doesn't put eyes in every doll.
42:35
It doesn't come down all the time of the same.
42:38
But we're going to, they're going to break it so the
42:40
technician can fix it so that Chucky can kill somebody with it
42:43
and then he can dangle from a thing like it's a bit contrived.
42:50
Sure it's it's not great and I'm already angry at the maze so
42:58
like that part didn't work as well for me.
43:01
But when when the technician gets doll eyes plugged into his
43:05
head, that was pretty cool. Like I like the corpse.
43:09
After I was like, OK I'm I'm back in.
43:13
It's a very gruesome looking dead corpse.
43:16
Yep, Yep. I I just imagine what it would
43:19
be like the next morning when everybody showed up to work.
43:24
Yeah well we get the maiming and re killing and explosion of
43:34
Chucky to. There are three kills of Chucky.
43:39
I think there were two kills of Chucky last time.
43:43
He caught on fire and they shot him.
43:48
There are three kills last time 'cause they shot him to bits and
43:52
then they shot him again and then this time, so our first
43:57
one, they get them on the well, We're kind of skipping over a
44:02
lot. There's a lot of pretty good
44:05
horror in this, you know, Tim Burton esque factory, like it's
44:12
such a horrifying location, but it's it it looks good and it's
44:18
kind of spooky. And I I did get a little tense
44:21
where I was like, is Kyle going to die?
44:23
Like who's going to who are we going to lose?
44:26
Who's going to be the one who doesn't make it through this
44:29
movie? And then we finally get to the
44:32
conveyor belt. They trap Chucky on this
44:35
machine. He loses him for they send him
44:39
backwards and yeah, like the mangled mess that comes out,
44:44
that's all arms and legs. Like I at the moment, I was
44:48
like, that's so gross to look at.
44:51
But I did kind of think there'd be more blood.
44:54
And of course there would have been more blood because Chucky
44:57
made it out. His legs are all messed up now,
45:00
but he made it out. Yeah, that's.
45:07
At some point he lost his hand and I don't remember.
45:11
It was in between the the maze and then they ran away and they
45:15
slammed the door on his. That's right, And he ripped it
45:19
while he's. Screaming.
45:21
That is a gruesome. Scene that we did skip over,
45:24
yes. Well, and then when he replaces
45:27
his hand with with an upgrade, oh man, like I'm watching a doll
45:33
and I flinched. Brad Duriff is so good.
45:38
And the puppeteers were so good. Like I for a moment I thought
45:43
Chucky was a living thing, feeling all that pain.
45:47
So bit like, oh, 10 out of 10. Great puppet and voice
45:53
performance. I agree.
45:58
But then the next two kills of Chucky are.
46:01
The first one was so satisfying and good.
46:04
Kyle remembered that there was some kind of like super heated
46:08
plastic that was dripping loose in the fatty feet.
46:14
It could have really injured Andy, but she saved him.
46:18
But Andy knows about it now, and he lures Chucky there and opens
46:23
it up to melt him away. And that is a genuinely gruesome
46:29
and definitely final kill for Chucky.
46:33
He's been melted. What's he going to do?
46:38
No, he's got to be exploded. We got to make sure.
46:41
Yeah, he. Still comes back and he's not
46:44
even a threat because what's he going to do?
46:46
He's now fused to the rest of the, you know, molten plastic.
46:51
He's just stuck where he is, isn't he?
46:54
Or does he continue to roll? I feel like he looks covered in
47:00
plastic but I don't remember if he's moving because it they just
47:05
jammed the air thing in him and that ends him.
47:10
I think he's moving because they say he makes one last try for
47:14
Andy, so I think he's still got the rollers and he's trying to
47:18
drag himself to Andy. And Kyle's the one with the air
47:22
hose. And I loved the explosion of
47:26
Chucky. Oh my gosh, I loved the
47:28
explosion of Chucky. Oh yeah, I I think it having
47:38
their Chucky 3 in my mind, I'm like, this doesn't make sense.
47:45
How does he come back? He's coming back and he's coming
47:49
back and now he's for sure dead. Except I know he comes back.
47:54
I also know he comes back, but I'm living in this movie and I'm
47:59
so satisfied at the death. Like this is another aside, but
48:05
it feels similar to how I grew up with both Godzilla and Jason
48:11
Voorhees, where I would just watch whatever was on and it
48:16
didn't matter that he came back. It didn't matter how he died in
48:20
the last one. Like, he's back and he's going
48:22
to kill again, and then we're going to kill him at the end and
48:26
it doesn't matter that he's going to come back again.
48:29
It's a franchise baby. I mean, I guess.
48:37
So so to me, I was just like, wow, what an incredible and
48:41
final kill of Chucky. And I'm like, in my head I'm
48:46
like, there's not a Child's Play 3.
48:49
I know there's a Child's Play 3 but I just don't while I'm
48:53
watching it. I'll have to see if I can raise
48:56
my my critique critique again next movie 'cause like, I'd seen
49:04
him die six Times Now, exactly 9 at the end of the other one, and
49:09
yet he comes back for a four. We'll see.
49:12
Yeah, well, let's get right to those critiques.
49:16
On this podcast, we do ratings or we.
49:20
Yeah, that's what I say. I'm going to get it wrong 100%
49:23
of the time. Even when I get it right.
49:25
On this podcast, we do ratings, not grades.
49:28
The primary difference is where you find the average in a grade.
49:31
The average is a 7 out of 10. And so if something does really
49:35
bad, you kind of raise it up. So it's maybe closer to A50 or a
49:39
60 because you just don't want it to feel bad about failing
49:43
grade. But we say movies don't have
49:46
feelings. We say the average is 5 out of
49:50
10. The middle.
49:51
That's where the average should lie.
49:54
Don't be offended if you hear your movie is a 5 out of 10.
49:58
It just means we thought it was an average movie.
50:00
So with that said, Justin, what would you give Child's Play to
50:07
do? You think they lost anything?
50:10
Like I feel like this one used only animatronics for Chucky.
50:16
Do you think they did use any challenge?
50:18
Because I feel like that added just a better sense of him being
50:24
alive. You know, now that you say that,
50:28
I'm pretty sure that that was mentioned in the making or not
50:32
the making of. But the the little thing that I
50:34
watched where they said that the actor, the body actor for Chucky
50:38
did not come back for this movie because whoever it was in charge
50:44
of the money was like, we don't need we don't need him to run
50:47
around like just use a puppet. So see.
50:50
I loved that. Thinking back, I enjoyed that
50:54
little clip where they had him crawling up the fire escape.
50:59
Like, yeah, where? He sat down on the the counter.
51:04
Like there's so many nice and they were just tiny, like half
51:09
second clips, but they were good.
51:13
I say that because I don't think I like this one as much as the
51:19
first one. Yes, we know Chucky is already a
51:23
killer doll and we see him moving around and his
51:26
animatronics are really good. I think that's same for one and
51:29
two. Feels nitpicky, but I the, the
51:36
sparse locations, the contrived problems, I guess.
51:44
I mean, they're sure they're they're they're part of a horror
51:48
movie, but it just felt not too much above average animatronics,
51:57
A+ locations and using the locations, I think the basement
52:04
kind of was nice. There's like multiple things
52:08
happen in the basement and the factory was like, there's no
52:14
reason to go through this spot that puts eyeballs in.
52:17
There's no reason to go up this little plastic contraption
52:21
that's going to catch Chucky. It just felt worse on that, on
52:28
those points. It's in the fives for me.
52:32
I will, I'll be OK with a 5.6. OK, OK.
52:43
You know, I, when you brought up the basement, it kind of made me
52:49
remember that it does feel a little bit like this weirdly
52:57
large basement. And I almost feel like they made
53:00
it look like that because of how much smaller Andy is compared to
53:06
the rest of the world. And so when you're, when you're
53:09
little, things are huge. And so the basement felt huge
53:16
and a lot of these things feel larger than life.
53:19
But for me, the really strong aspects of it, or the fact that
53:25
we get right into Chucky, like he's there, he is killing
53:30
things. There's only really one moment
53:34
at the very beginning where we've got the mystery of is he
53:39
alive? Like, yeah, that guy got
53:41
electrocuted, but I don't know, this is 1990.
53:45
Maybe they have faulty equipment because nobody cares about
53:49
worker safety. I don't know.
53:52
I know it's magic, but maybe, maybe it's not.
53:55
And then the dolls just sitting next to the door.
53:57
Maybe somebody kicked it. Like maybe, maybe not.
54:01
But then in the car, he's fully alive.
54:04
He's ready to go. You mentioned the animatronic
54:08
and one of the most famous shots from this movie is my least
54:14
favorite animatronic and that is the teacher kill when Chucky is
54:20
walking forward with the yardstick.
54:22
I don't think it looks good. I think his hands look huge,
54:26
like Wreck it Ralph's hands. And I like, yes, he looks
54:33
creepy, but in this uncanny valley kind of way, which is
54:38
weird because he's a doll. Like he's not computer
54:42
generated. It just there's something about
54:45
it that just doesn't work in context with the rest of the
54:49
movie. Yeah, I think you do lose
54:54
something by not having an actual actor running around as
54:58
Chucky. And the puppet does fine, but I
55:05
oh boy, oh boy do I hate the labyrinth in the warehouse.
55:11
I'm fine with the factory, but oh, that, that maze really kind
55:18
of made me angry for the end of the movie and kind of took me a
55:22
minute to to get back into it. But all of that said, I like
55:28
this just as much as the last 1. I loved both of these movies.
55:34
I'm at a 7 out of 10. I am enamored with this
55:39
franchise. I am shocked at how good these
55:42
movies are. Well.
55:49
That's and if you're still on the spreadsheet, you can tell us
55:51
the show average. Show average with that is 6.3.
55:59
It's just less than the first one.
56:01
I I mean, I feel like that of course that vindicates my rating
56:06
more than yours, but it's fine. I think it's it's sure it's on
56:11
the same level as the first one. I think it just something is
56:17
weird and maybe I don't have the words for it of the locations
56:23
feeling it's. Just not clicking for you.
56:26
Like the factory is just so odd. Like it.
56:29
Yeah, there's a place where you can remake a doll and aside to a
56:35
mat, there's a place that puts the eyes in the dolls.
56:39
I can't remember what the actual purpose of that big pyramid
56:44
conveyor belt is. That was to put the arms and
56:47
legs on the doll and melt them on I guess because like but the
56:53
the doll has to have its arms and legs moved so why are they
56:57
melting it on it's? Just a weird feeling factory
57:02
location I don't know. It's it's a fun house.
57:09
It's not practical by any means. I do not believe actual Chucky
57:15
dolls are being made at a factory that looks like this, or
57:19
any toy for that matter. But in context, I liked it.
57:25
And yeah, so I'm skewing the average on this one.
57:29
I'm the one who is bringing everything up that might change
57:35
for the next one. I know I have seen Child's Play
57:38
3, but I really only remember 1 scene from the whole thing.
57:45
And I don't want to spoil it because I don't think you've
57:47
watched it. So yeah.
57:50
So I, I want you to be surprised by what's coming and and what's
57:54
in store because like 20 plus years later from watching it on
57:59
television, 1 scene sticks in my head pretty pretty well.
58:08
And I'm excited to see it again to see if it lives up.
58:11
This may take a turn for the worse future movies.
58:15
I might be going like, wow, this sucked and you know, giving them
58:19
bad scores. But right now I'm sitting here
58:23
thinking these were two incredible horror movies.
58:27
They're not perfect, but I'm putting them in my list of top
58:34
horror franchises. Like I really am surprised at
58:39
how much I'm having fun with these movies.
58:44
That's interesting. I mean, I haven't watched very
58:46
many of the other like Nineties, 80s, Friday the 13th or
58:50
Halloween series. So I don't.
58:52
I don't know if this is better than most of those, but.
58:57
Yeah, eventually we'll get to those and we'll see how they
59:01
stack up. I've seen more Friday the
59:04
Thirteenths than I have seen Halloweens, and I think I've
59:09
seen as many Halloweens as I have seen Nightmare on Elm
59:13
Streets. So yeah, those are the the big
59:18
top dollar, the big hitters when it comes to horror franchises.
59:24
But Child's Play, like it was late to the game because those
59:28
other 3 came out earlier in the 80s and they were putting out
59:33
more movies. And then Child's Play comes
59:36
along and I don't know, it's special.
59:40
I like it. It's all right.
59:50
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