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NFL Week 8 TNF Showdown | Vikings @ Chargers | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All system's going clear the leftop.
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  Speaker 2: What's up everyone? Tyler Tamberline here aka TOTEG and Tambo
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  Speaker 2: back for another edition of the Thursday Night Football Showdown
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  Speaker 2: Show here on the YouTube station ship at Nation Baby
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  Speaker 2: a new location. You got title. We're gonna be breaking
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  Speaker 2: down all things for the Thursday night football game. We
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  Speaker 2: got Minnesota at the Chargers.
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  Speaker 3: Hoopster.
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  Speaker 2: You had to get out of the house. Man, you
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  Speaker 2: got NonStop things going against you over there.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a rough stretch at the home front, There's
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  Speaker 3: no doubt about that. And I'm not going to tell
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  Speaker 3: the entire story, but I think I told part of
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  Speaker 3: it where we had the water supply line leak from
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  Speaker 3: the fridge kind of ruined the basement, ruined the hardwood floors.
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  Speaker 3: So they started, I'll give you the quick version. So
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  Speaker 3: they started working last week on the basement. The ceiling
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  Speaker 3: had to be replaced, some other stuff, the floors, and
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  Speaker 3: Missus Hoop was doing dishes on Monday night. It was
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  Speaker 3: right before the Lions game started, and she's like, why
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  Speaker 3: is it the ground all wet down here? And looked
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  Speaker 3: down and the dishwasher was leaking, so there's leak in
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  Speaker 3: the dishwasher that did also make its way down to
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  Speaker 3: the basement. Luckily, they weren't finished with the job in
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  Speaker 3: the basement, so they're able to get that done. The
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  Speaker 3: floors were getting refinished today, and the guy didn't show
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  Speaker 3: up yesterday, supposed to be done yesterday. He came today
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  Speaker 3: and started standing about an hour ago. And the sander
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  Speaker 3: is very very very loud. So down at the neighbor's
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  Speaker 3: house in the basement.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll give you all the information. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of football information. That's acronym FBI. A little more FBI
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  Speaker 2: here that's different than the one showing up on Terry
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  Speaker 2: Rozier's doorstep. But title lots of big news in the
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  Speaker 2: NBA streets today. We're talking football. What's going on, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I talked some NBA on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: I had a couple of NFL references on my mind's
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  Speaker 5: definitely NFL season. I'm blocked in on NFL stuff, so
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  Speaker 5: I love it all the sports. I'm playing college football.
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  Speaker 5: I played some golf in the gall streets, so I'm
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  Speaker 5: playing them all. But yeah, in my opinion, football takes rain.
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  Speaker 5: Of all of these sports, you only get it a
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  Speaker 5: couple times a week. The prizes are massive and there's
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  Speaker 5: nothing better than NFL, so they got the best product.
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  Speaker 5: But it's hey, one sport. It's great, but when you
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  Speaker 5: can win money in a lot of other sports, NHL,
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  Speaker 5: MLB tomorrow, it's a great time of year.
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  Speaker 4: We'd love to have you at the Nation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: NBA teams fired away right away. We got Bellman in there,
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  Speaker 2: we got BG Little Neck and then of course the
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  Speaker 2: regular team with yourself, Rio Ham and everybody. It but
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  Speaker 2: awesome to see our guy brock rock Newsome with one
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  Speaker 2: hundred k first night, just bang right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 2: It was like one hundred and fourteen k actually, but
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  Speaker 2: he definitely shipped the main one. And then last night
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of other winners, a guy scooter had like
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  Speaker 2: six k here and something there. A bunch of ticket
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  Speaker 2: winners are starting to flood the streets. We always crush
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  Speaker 2: in the satellites. But check it out. I can't say
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  Speaker 2: it enough. People know where biased, but Ship nineteen gets
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  Speaker 2: you in for five days. Now is the time to
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  Speaker 2: the college football, the MMA, the NASCAR, the baseball playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, everything else that I missed. It's all in there,
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  Speaker 2: so you guys can check that out. And then as
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Metchin say, I don't know if it'll be you.
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  Speaker 2: I actually do know who it is, but it could
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  Speaker 2: be you. But we will be announcing winners number twenty
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  Speaker 2: we're getting to that halfway point. There is fifty tickets
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  Speaker 2: out there to be one. We already have twenty three
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  Speaker 2: winners that we've seen so far. Hoop did take the
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  Speaker 2: first l and andrews that he'll be the one to
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  Speaker 2: try and hand another. But Hoops, there only one l.
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  Speaker 2: Any any rebuttal on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, mister mister Morehead took me down, So I gotta
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  Speaker 3: I gotta cool the ship talking a little bit. I
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  Speaker 3: will still take my shots at NAID though aids for
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  Speaker 3: week one. Well, we'll continue on that path like he's
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  Speaker 3: still going to be a target any opportunity. I get
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  Speaker 3: that started. That started the community in the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 3: But mister Morehead stepped in and said, hey, I'm getting
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  Speaker 3: us back on track, and he did, but I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to have one thing though about the the NBA stuck.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is important because NBA is the one
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  Speaker 3: sport that if you are grinding, you need a home,
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  Speaker 3: like you need a spot. And it's not just projections,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just ownership, it's not just core plays, it's
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  Speaker 3: not just whatever piece of content you're looking at. You
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  Speaker 3: got to have the community, uh as well. And you
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  Speaker 3: see these these failed contributors that get bounced from the
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  Speaker 3: spot they're working at, and they think they're going to
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  Speaker 3: start up a little mom and pop shop and that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be enough for for NBA DFS season. Not
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  Speaker 3: So don't get tricked into one of these little pop
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what. I need the discord for sure.
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  Speaker 2: We got the golden shit at Winner coming out. Make
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  Speaker 2: sure you guys smash that like. But last night Big
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  Speaker 2: twelve Games, Slate like that or whatever, there was news
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  Speaker 2: popping off left and right. I got a little you know,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I'm mixing my action over onto FanDuel a
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  Speaker 2: little bit with some of these cash back offers. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw fifty lineups in the fifteen dollars forgetting,
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  Speaker 2: like how much this thing comes at you quickly, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, damn. If not for the Discord just constantly
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  Speaker 2: updating with everything, I would be completely lost. And even
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  Speaker 2: then I think I got back like five hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I took a little bit of a loss, but then
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  Speaker 2: FanDuel kicks in the bonus and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually not that bad. You had a shot up there.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Flagg, I forgot guys with two o's in their names,
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  Speaker 2: and those could be zero's. He ended up with a
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  Speaker 2: double double, but it was like a ten to ten
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  Speaker 2: and he started with I think zero points the first half,
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  Speaker 2: which kind of sucked after you see some of those
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  Speaker 2: guys like edgecomb in that. But anyway, we're talking football,
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  Speaker 2: Like Title said, NBA's back, though, it's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: You can check out our guys every day when they
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  Speaker 2: got the shows going for that. So I think it's Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: what is it? Title? Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday?
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  Speaker 4: Correct, yep, every non NFL day right now.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, Title so zoned in all right, Tyler, you're
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  Speaker 2: you're zoned in. I love it. Give us your grand
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  Speaker 2: scheme overview for the Vikings at the Chargers. We just
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  Speaker 2: got the Aaron Jones news before we hopped on. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get started on this Thursday night football sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad we did get the Aaron Jones news
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  Speaker 5: for the show because it was important. Now with him
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  Speaker 5: back in the mix, it looks like Mason is overpriced.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad DraftKings had no choice but to do it.
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  Speaker 5: If they had him two k cheaper and Aaron Jones
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  Speaker 5: didn't play, he would have been mega chalk. But two
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  Speaker 5: guys in Mason and Aaron Jones that should be splitting
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  Speaker 5: the backfield look a little expensive for the role. But
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  Speaker 5: that also will keep both under twenty five percent we
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  Speaker 5: have right now, and if they get in the box
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  Speaker 5: like they clearly both have upside individually. It's just the
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  Speaker 5: opportunity costs went spending up in that range. Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 5: just a little more, Mconkey Keenan in that range. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, two pivots in the upper tier if you
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  Speaker 5: do want to go there captain ownership. I mean it's
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  Speaker 5: pretty spread out. It's been pretty disappointing for my man.
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  Speaker 5: Jefferson Addison always has big play upside. Herbert we know
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  Speaker 5: we can spread the ball around, has some sneaky legs upside.
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  Speaker 5: McConkie Keenan Johnson, Gatson vital like I think Captain is
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  Speaker 5: super difficult. Today I will be spreading it out. But
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  Speaker 5: I like that when you can spread it out a
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  Speaker 5: lot of Captain, you don't need to play like awful plays.
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  Speaker 5: In my opinion, the one percenters or whatever salary isn't
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  Speaker 5: nearly as tight as it was for that Falcons game.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's enough value on this late you can
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  Speaker 5: leave money. Really, whoever you like most you can play
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  Speaker 5: and get way overweight at them at Captain if you
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  Speaker 5: want diversifying the flex. I think this is a great,
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  Speaker 5: great showdown game with so many options on both sides.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go to hoop here in a second. But
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  Speaker 2: just of note title one thing the stone shows as
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  Speaker 2: we always have the captain optimal on it. We always
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  Speaker 2: talk about the stone, we get it, but it is
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  Speaker 2: really the best tool. You have everything you need in
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  Speaker 2: one place. And I like slates like this where there's
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  Speaker 2: so many spread out captain optimals because it just it
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  Speaker 2: shows like there's a bunch of different ways the slate
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  Speaker 2: can go, and you kind of want that when you're
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  Speaker 2: looking for unique lineup, so you're looking to ship it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with a lesser crew. Shout out to my
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  Speaker 2: guy Sheets and Ranger. On Monday we had a little
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  Speaker 2: three way. It was an eight way chop, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: but I got lucky enough to be involved in that
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  Speaker 2: with Sheets with Ranger. Wake up to all the loves,
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  Speaker 2: So shout up to everybody there, but that I had
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  Speaker 2: a unique in twelfth and that's like, these are the
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  Speaker 2: types of slates you can find that We've had plenty
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  Speaker 2: of them to start the season. So hoop, I'll kick
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  Speaker 2: it to you there, get your grand scheme overview. But
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  Speaker 2: there is a lot of captains you can use on
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  Speaker 2: this slate, and there's a lot of ways just to
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  Speaker 2: make it work without needing to find these needles in
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  Speaker 2: a haystack in some cases.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I usually like to narrow it down
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  Speaker 3: a little bit at captain. I mean I've gone all
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  Speaker 3: in on captains in the past multiple times, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: played two or three captains, so that's what I usually
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  Speaker 3: like to do. I'm struggling with that though today because
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  Speaker 3: there just seems like so many viable options. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit of a struggle just because
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  Speaker 3: I know everyone's going to be spreading it out like
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  Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. And I think even the
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  Speaker 3: ownership that we're showing, I think gets spread out a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more. Let me pull this up real quick.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm used to having the two monitors here
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  Speaker 3: down to one. So it's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: struggle navigating through this. But you know, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: showing Jefferson Captain seventeen. I think it's I think everyone's
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  Speaker 3: fifteen and below, right. I don't think anyone's gonna get like,
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  Speaker 3: well above fifteen. So like, even if I think the
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  Speaker 3: one thing I would recommend, even if you are spreading
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  Speaker 3: it out and you're gonna play a bunch of captains,
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  Speaker 3: make a stand on a couple, like get over on
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe two or three that you like the best,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to be easy to get over on
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  Speaker 3: the ones you like the best because the ownership should
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  Speaker 3: be pretty low everywhere you look like we're showing it.
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  Speaker 3: Herbert Jefferson, Videll, McConkie Carson, Wentz, Allen ed Addison, Quinin Johnson,
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  Speaker 3: like in that order. So like, if your favorite is
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  Speaker 3: Quintin Johnson, we're showing five percent. You know you play
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  Speaker 3: ten percent Quintin Johnson the captain, You're double the field.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess the one thing I would recommend if
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  Speaker 3: you are spreading it out, which if people are building
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  Speaker 3: a lot of line and I'm try anticipate most people
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  Speaker 3: spreading it out, make sure to take a couple stands
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  Speaker 3: within within spreading it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, another thing I'll say too, and then title, I'll
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  Speaker 2: kick it to you to start on your captain thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: just the setup of being able to sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting the leverage on the captains, like shrinking your pool,
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  Speaker 2: Like who was talking about there is one way, but
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  Speaker 2: the chat talked about it a little. I'll hit on
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  Speaker 2: a little further. But sometimes the other way you can
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  Speaker 2: go is to zone in on a build type and
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  Speaker 2: that's what can help you condense down, Like if you say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's no magic number, like I'm gonna only play five
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  Speaker 2: captains tonight. I think if you're working on a certain
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  Speaker 2: portion of your game, like twenty max, you should be
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  Speaker 2: thinking about like Okay, if I had to choose x
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  Speaker 2: amount of captains, I can do it that way. You
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  Speaker 2: can spread out teach their own. But my point would
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  Speaker 2: be if you like the balance build tonight, well then
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  Speaker 2: you can. You're not gonna be able to put every
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  Speaker 2: version of that with all the different captains. Some of
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  Speaker 2: those guys are more expensive at captain and are gonna
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  Speaker 2: need some scrubs or some lower owned or some sorry,
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  Speaker 2: lower price guys in there. So I think another way
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  Speaker 2: to do it title would be to go to if
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  Speaker 2: you're on you know, Addison, Alan, Johnston, Gadson, you know,
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in that range, maybe you end up leaving out
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  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and Jefferson. That could be tragic because those
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  Speaker 2: could be the three that are needed. But I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: at least then you'd have a different style of build well,
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  Speaker 2: getting good leverage on those types of captains. Thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: that and then everything else you want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: a captain.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's so many ways to go about this,
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  Speaker 5: like a pretty close spread with three a lot of
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  Speaker 5: options on both sides.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be spreading it out.
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  Speaker 5: I do know that I do know my favorite to
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  Speaker 5: come to no one's surprise.
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  Speaker 4: The dude keeps burning me. It's Jefferson.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think he's one of the best receivers
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  Speaker 5: in football, receiving prop eighty three and a half, the
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  Speaker 5: next highest fifty six and a half. In this game,
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  Speaker 5: we know DraftKings full point PPR dominates that stuff as well.
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  Speaker 5: He gets one hundred and the touchdown. I think more
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  Speaker 5: than likely he's probably optimal with how much it's spread
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  Speaker 5: spread out on the other side. So he's my favorite.
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  Speaker 5: Addison at ownership too, I think it's my second favorite.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be betting on this Vikings pass game.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, man, Addison, both these guys are just so good,
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  Speaker 5: make each other so much better. And they have that
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  Speaker 5: one place sixty touchdown or sixty yard touchdown upside, and
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  Speaker 5: he's showing to be very low owned two or pretty
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  Speaker 5: low owned six percent in the Captain and it gets
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  Speaker 5: you on a little different I guess not really, but
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  Speaker 5: like Jefferson at eleven eight, Herbert at ten to four,
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  Speaker 5: two guys that will get ownership up top. It's lad
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  Speaker 5: seven six, Keenan seven eight, Johnson eight, k Addison seven
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  Speaker 5: to four. All of them gonna get some ownership. Addison's
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  Speaker 5: my favorite of that range, and then I think I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna just keep going back to QJ. Johnston just hope
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  Speaker 5: I think he has the most upside. I don't feel
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  Speaker 5: confident though keen than those last week. Mcconkeie ran pretty
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  Speaker 5: bad too. He could have easily had another touchdown an
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  Speaker 5: extra eight points. I'm hoping it's Johnston, but again I
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  Speaker 5: prefer Addison, I prefer Herbert, and I prefer Jefferson overpicking
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  Speaker 5: those other guys, just because I'm I'm not sure it
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  Speaker 5: could be one touchdown to all three of them, or
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  Speaker 5: Gatson or Vidal can catch it, which I think has
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  Speaker 5: to put Herbert in play, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: his legs. I think he's a really good captain too,
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  Speaker 5: So Herbert are in order, Jefferson, Addison, Herbert looking at
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  Speaker 5: ownership at captain. Those are my favorites. I will be
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  Speaker 5: mixing all the like the pass catchers, McConkie, even Gadson Keenan.
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  Speaker 5: When I'm playing seventy five plus teams, I think probably
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  Speaker 5: would be a mistake to exhum.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll see how the running back ownership
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  Speaker 2: goes tonight. But you know, even though people are seeing
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones come back, maybe that scares them a little
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  Speaker 2: bit off of Jordan Mason. And then the other thing
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  Speaker 2: is like Vidal, well, you know, he's obviously in what
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  Speaker 2: looks like a pretty good spot. It's also you know
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  Speaker 2: with no Haskins know everything. But the other spot is
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  Speaker 2: he's or the other thing is he's also ten to
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  Speaker 2: five up top. Again, it's not like it's super expensive,
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  Speaker 2: but it's kind of people who are like, eh, do
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  Speaker 2: I want to spend that? Or I can go to
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  Speaker 2: guys for just a little bit more like Mconkeye Allen.
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  Speaker 2: You know, on the other side, Addison's only eleven to one,
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  Speaker 2: like you can get to these other guys pretty easily.
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  Speaker 2: So whop Where does that leave you at the captain spot?
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  Speaker 2: You talked a little bit about it earlier maybe being
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  Speaker 2: tighter up top, but do you you know, having a
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  Speaker 2: struggle of trying to figure that out where you're at
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  Speaker 2: with it right now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I got a few options. Where's the three oh five?
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm curious on that, do you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Know mister Miami?
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  Speaker 3: Where is it? Miami? Okay?
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And also do you know that is that's Gary
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  Speaker 2: with five whys with the live file.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah on Sunday, Yeah, yeah, he had he had a
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  Speaker 3: good good day Miami. Okay. I wasn't one hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: sure on that, but I thought that was the case.
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  Speaker 3: So hey, congrats on the wind and you're in Miami,
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  Speaker 3: so you're doing well. Uh. The Herbert stuff is definitely
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  Speaker 3: interesting to me, just because now it's like so many
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: of these pass catchers. I mean, it could be Keenan,
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: it could be lad, it could be quint and it
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: could be the running back, it could be his new
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: tight end Gadson. So like so many different ways that
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: he can, so many different guys he can throw the
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: ball to. I think you have to consider him for
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: that reason. But a couple that I like and title
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: mentioned him. Definitely wanted Quinton Johnson for sure. Like two
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: weeks ago this was you know, this would be a
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: slate where everyone's just playing Quinton Johnson up top because
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: he was kind of going off. Now that they have
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: so many different guys, like, seems like people don't want
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to play him. We're showing five percent up top. He
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: can break the slates. We've seen it, so I do
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: like him. And then on the Viking side, I really
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: like Jordan Addison up top, like coming off a twelve
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: target game. You know, obviously I don't know if he
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: had a suspension or something to start the year, but
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: nine for one twenty eight last week, scored you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: twenty five Fantasy points and didn't find the end zone,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: so he can obviously go off. I'm good with Jefferson,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I'm good with Keenan Allen, I'm good with lad I'm
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: good with the tight end Videll. There's so many different
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: guys to play, so like, who are the guys that
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I want? It does no good just naming off all
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: the guys I want to play, because there's a lot
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: of them. So who do I want to get a
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: little overweight on? Quintin Johnson's definitely won, especially if that
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: five percent holds, which I think think it will. Jordan
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Addison right there, five six percent, like easy to get
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: overweight on Addison. I think he's a really good play.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: And then Herbert I want to be in on as well,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: more than the field, and that that one could be
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: a little challenging because it does look like, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: he's going to be maybe the highest done. We're showing
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: seventeen Saber has fifteen and that kind of looks like
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: the industry standard somewhere in between like fifteen and seventeen.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be more on the fifteen range,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: more on the fifteen percent side, just because there's so
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: many different guys to play. You could even you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: we haven't really talked about it, but like if you
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: wanted to play Hockinson, if you wanted to go, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: like Jordan Mason's going to be way down there. You know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Aaron Jones is probably gonna be And the one I
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: will say that's getting ownership that I will not be
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: playing is Carson Wentz and I feel fine with that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Herbert one's got to be the
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: cash game spot there, doesn't it title like the you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: that's not really give anything away. It's pretty obvious. He's
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: got a million guys he can pass to. He's very
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: affordable for a quarterback at fifteen six. We just saw
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: him get made fun of plenty actually in the discord
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on Sunday that he was horrible and Mahomes was doing it,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: and then no he was not. It was actually Herbert
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and it was actually b Nicks in the end and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: guys like that. But Herbert did not even need a
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: full game either and still came through and got thirty
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: something points because he can just hit these guys. And
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you you mentioned it too, like lad that you know
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: threw his arms in the end zone near the end
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of the game for like another opportunity. It just would
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: have got even more extended. So that's the thing. But
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: at the same time, when you know that makes sense
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: because there's so much value, you can play with it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting for picking your spot is
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: if you want to say, it's not gonna get us
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: spread out this time, so therefore I'm gonna go with
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: more lads, more Keenan's, more Quintin's, and do it that way.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: The other thing is, like the Gadson stuff, he's not
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: getting that many, so he's not getting that again most likely.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: But people forget he doesn't need to get that game again,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind when you're going to him.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: You's horrible or chasing whatever. It could feel that way.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But just like we saw with them, who was it,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Oh get the total Rico Rico Daubtle, It's like, oh,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: he's not getting two hundred again, but he doesn't need
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to get two hundred again. Oh wait, but he is
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: getting two hundred again, and then they decided to sit
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: his ass and watch at one point eight yards for Kerry.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Looks like with Chewba Hubbard. But either way, title, I'll
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: go back to you. I don't have too much else
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: to add. I guess my thing is like the Mason
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Vadal stuff. Vidal to me is squeezed like it just
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: has to be. And I know he's showing at around
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: ten eleven's like somewhere in that range. But lots of
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: people are gonna love Herbert and then it will get
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: spread out. But I think people are much more likely
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to go to lad and Allen at least if not
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Quintin right there with Vidal because it just sort of
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: builds it out the same way, and you feel good
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: about those guys. I don't know where do you think
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Vidal lands, because he's a guy I've got interested in
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: as of right now as someone who's different. It's not
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: being fully mentioned.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, both those running backs I was curious and interested
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: in because they leverage off so much stuff like the
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: passing game. If it's Jordan Mason rushing in too, that's Jefferson,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: that's some Wentz ownership. That's Addison like, that's so much
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: captain ownership that is not getting that those six points
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: or double And same with the Vidal side Herberts like
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: the rush. If there's two rushing touchdowns on either side, man,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: then you could be looking at a unique build. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: I just think for that reason alone, like if Vidal
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: doesn't have much competition at all behind he leads the
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: game with the plus one thirty TV prop, Mason's number
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: two at plus one forty five, vid all can catch
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: them passes out of the backfield. Mason not so much,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: which is why it's a little tougher and with the price,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: but I think that'll make his ownership even lower. Like
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: fifty two and a half rushing prop plus one forty five,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: he probably needs to get in the box twice, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: if he does to forty four and a half total,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: that's not very big. I think I'm talking to myself
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: more and more on some of these running backs just
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: for the sheer fact of it gets you on a complete,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: completely different roster construction.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw our man Gary down in Miami's and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: now Oliver knows a good joke here live in le
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Vidal Loca like that one and you know what rhymes
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: with six seven Club eleven, and that's in Miami as well.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: If you've never been. It's a good spot, I can
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: tell you that much, but I can get you into
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of trouble as well, So just noting that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: But there's six to seven options I'll say at the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Captain tonight easily, if not more so. Lots of different
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: ways you can go. But the Vidal thing stands out
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to me. The other thing is this is always interesting
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to me, is like the projection, the median projection is
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: gonna come in lower because it's split amongst everybody and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the you know, the market shares and all that. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: his ceiling is pretty solid. And again you can kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of build really easily with him at ten to five
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: at the Captain and then be able to fit a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: lot of different options in and around him. And I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: know the chat mentioned it earlier. We're gonna get to
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: running back here shortly. But like Naim Hines is two
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks on this slate if you want to go
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that route, you know, but you could easily play Vidal
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and Nahim Heines. It's seventy two hundred in the flex,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: it's ten five, what is it ten to seven? If
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you go vid aal captain and Hinz the flex, Like
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: whatever you however you want to look at it, there's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: definitely ways that you can do that. So I think
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of different ways you can go title
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: anything else to add a quarterback. Then outside of the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: captain coverage, we went through an anything just in general
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: at quarterback.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: No, I'm kind of with Hoop, Like, it's really hard
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: for me to see Carson Wentz. It's not impossible, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: we saw Flack Owan Rodgers absolutely throw it back and
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, you needed Jamar Chase on that slate, but like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Herbert just has way more options to spread it around
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: unless Josh Oliver is catching one in Hockinson and like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: it's really hard for me to see it, so it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: hard for me to get to one second.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jordan said this shout out to Jordan joined
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: us on the Takedown breakdown on Monday. It was awesome
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to hear from him and see him been with the
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: community since day one. Awesome guy, says, how's did also alone?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He's the only guy yet. The thing is, though he's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: not being thought of as the only guy they have.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You're you're talking from a running back perspective right now.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: That feels that way, yes, but everybody else sees Gadson's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: big game to go with McConkey, alan QJ. And also
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: many are saying it is Trey Paris Knight, which we'll
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: get to him we go to wide receiver.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: What's the ownership though, like, what what's so low about
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: the ownership?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I guess, well, well, I mean if he does stand around,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the most places in US have him a ten to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: eleven percent at captain captain, Yeah, ninety is not really
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: on him. And like you said, if it spreads out
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: even further, like if Herbert.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Comes, so many guys though, I mean, that's just gonna happen,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Like there's no way anyone's going to be massively owned.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: So I don't know that that that number wasn't too
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Why were you surprised by that number? I wasn't very
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I thought that's kind of where it would be.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he's talking overall like I'm just
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: saying to me, I just if you put everybody in
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the chat right now and said, list your top five captains,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know how high he shows up on that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: list when you've got Herbert, Jefferson, Addison all I've seen
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the chat talk about his past catchers and yeah, so
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it's like not the and the Mason thing got dumped
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: water on because of the Aaron Jones news and pricing
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and everything. So the doll I think may come in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: as like the fifth highest oone captain by the end
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of it. We'll see, but I still truly feel like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: people will pay eleven four or eleven seven for Ladd
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and Allen before they pay ten to five for Vidal.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It's all gonna be, but it's all gonna be like
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: within a couple percentage points most likely. Like it's all
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: gonna like there's gonna be a lot like that group
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: of guys is gonna be between like five to ten
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: they can I think Jefferson and Herbert outside of that
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: group above all those guys, and then everyone else, the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: past catchers, they're all going to be in that range
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: like some way shape or forming. Like you said, if
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you ask people at list their top five, it's gonna
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: be some variation of those guys.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I My take is more like
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: if you put a rating system on it. I think
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: he's gotting just naturally. I just think people think more.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I think he's a phenomenal play. Yeah, I mean I agree,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I think he's a great I think he he's a
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: great play on this late. I mean they have nobody else.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, is that the same nahem Hines?
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: When did you add the Miller in?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Don't even want to really, I don't know there's a story. No,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that. I know what you're thinking, and I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, like, when did he change his name?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: That's all I'm not thinking. I'm just curious, like because
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: he was there. No, it wasn't was it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It was just on Google when you type it in.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was always just Nahem Heines. Now he's I
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: thought it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Was sometimes goes by the name the Miller is part
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: of his full name, which sometimes is used in official sources.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: So when I first looked today, I thought it was
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a different dude. I did the content, I was like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: who is this Miller? Heines? Guy at two hundred. I
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: didn't like it his first day? Yeah, okay, interesting. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I mean I guess you.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Can't even find it by the way it's like so secretive.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's like you google it. His name change, it's like
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the Miller Heines version is a less common variation that
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: has appeared lately causing confusion, but his official name remains
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the same. And then it's like it's been used in
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: some articles, but it is widely recognized as his official name.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Just Naike definitely definitely confused me today because I started,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I started doing the slave plan. I was like, who
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: is this dude? He's two hundred bucks? Like he's in
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: plays the backup?
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: This guy on Twitter two months ago before the season.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure what's more shocking than name change or
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: that he's still playing in the NFL.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: That's that actually could be the more surprising part. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing like when these guys just adding
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: like Deebo Samuel is no Deebo Samuel Senior, Like like okay.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Chosen, yeah, yeah exactly, but he is a touchdown. He
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: did he did. He almost came back to our lives.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but yeah, the name changed stuff. That
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: one definitely threw me off. But I didn't click on
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: his name to see what the first name was. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: just was went with n Miller hines, and now I
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: know it's our boy from the.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Colts, respect on his actual full name tonight now he Miller,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: DA give him some credit.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: It's Miller time, Miller time, Miller hid Actually that is
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: actually okay, this could be a little something because I'm
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: in the you know, my my neighbor's basement and his
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: fridge in the basement is I'm staring right at it,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: and me and him like to, you know, hammer back
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the beers. He goes, maybe there'll be a Miller time
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: for the show. So hey, we're onto something. Now, go
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: on to something, all right.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It could be could be a sign for tonight of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: what's to come. But maybe it's an opportunity.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We'll see May off to crack a couple Miller lights
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: here during the show to get it get things started
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: for us.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think, whop anything else at quarterback you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: want to add? If not, you can start on more
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: running back talk. We already added vital in there. But
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: anything else you you forgot about a quarterback?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, just definitely, you know, as much Herbert as
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I can get. And then like once, I don't know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: it's just not going to be a priority for me.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Like you know on Justin Jefferson captain teams. You know
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: once makes sense. Addison captain teams. I think WINZ makes sense.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: But I'm just I don't know. You can't play every
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: we can't get overweight on everyone. And whatever I get
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: of once, I'm fine with running back is you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: pretty tough, I'd say, well, not tough. I mean, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: you have Vidal who seems like a very very strong
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: play they have nobody else. He'll catch passes like I imagine
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: if they're going to give it to a running back
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: at the two yard line, it's going to be him.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I think he is a very he does have a
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: very secure role. I mean, the dude, the backup guy
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: had to change his name to stay relevant like that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: That should should go to show you the status of
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the Chargers running backs today. So in on him, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of shitting on mister Miller Hines a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: little bit. But two hundred bucks potential backup running back.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: If Bedal goes down, he's now a primary running back
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: at two hundred dollars, So you know, it's definitely those
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: two guys, the Aaron Jones Jordan Mason thing. It's definitely tough.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's tough. I mean, I think Title
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: talked about it well, like they're gonna be, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: much lower on than if one of them was out, obviously,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but if you're expecting a high scoring game, I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: it's probably tough to pay eight to six for Jordan Mason.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Aaron Jones at six six. We really haven't got any
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: true indication in regards to what sort of role he's
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: going to have. He wasn't very productive to start the season,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: win healthy, so a lot of concern. But these are
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: game theory plays, Like if you're looking to build a
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: roster that's going to look a little bit different, I
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: think you got to look at like some of these
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: guys versus the wide receivers, Like you know, Jordan Mason
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: is in the same range, you know, within a thousand
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: of lad within a thousand of Keenan right there with
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Quintin Johnston, you know, twelve hundred within Jordan Edison. All
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: those guys are going to be now much higher owned
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: than than Jordan Mason. And you know, I haven't built teams.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know for sure what I'm gonna do, Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I could end up fading Jordan Mason just not playing
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: him at all, and same can be said with with
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Aaron Jones. I don't necessarily love playing any of those guys,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: but they are game theory sort of plays. Like the
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: ownership is definitely going to be lower on these guys
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: than all those wide receivers priced around them. If you
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: have a team that kind of makes sense, you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: plugging those guys in instead of the pass catchers, you're
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: going to be going to be very different. And again
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what I'll do. I could fade
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: both of them and just roll with it that way
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: because they're still going to get some ownership. We're showing,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: hopefully it's updated yet it is. We're showing twenty four
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: percent Jordan Mason and then Aaron Jones right around twenty.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably pretty fair. I think they're both
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: probably in that range between twenty and twenty five. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: if you don't play them, you're making a legitimate fade,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and if you do play them, you're probably gonna be
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit different. So I think you can do
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: it either way.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go to you in a SEC title and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you can take this thought process. I'm going to give
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and go with it and then do your stuff at
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: running back. But I'll say this, and I didn't if
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I wasn't clearing it up top, I'm actually still interested
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in Jordan Mason. You kind of said it after I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: said it. Now I remember you mentioning like it kind
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of works for both those guys so much leverage in it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: But the chats talking about it's already a great matchup
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: for Minnesota. They're only three point underdogs. I mean, can
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: have some bad games, and that's a long term sample
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of regardless of who's the coach, who's the team, who's whatever.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: It's like definitely a possibility, especially in a Thursday football
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: game where we've seen these things go crazy. But I
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: will say, to Hoop's point, he nailed it there, Like
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it's not like Jones with some crusher to start the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: season and what wasn't coming out strong and why do
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: they just come back and ramp him right back up?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So when it comes to that thought process, I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: think he's a guy. If we're unsure on Vidal, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: can be damn sure on Mason that nobody's playing his
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: ass and captain like five percent or under up top.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: So I like Mason and Captain definitely in the flex. Still,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: there's other things you can do. I haven't built teams
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: yet to know where everything lands, but I will be
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: clear on the fact that I'm definitely in on Mason
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: tonight as an option and we'll go from there. I mean,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: see what else happens, But what's your thoughts on Mason
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: any further and than anything else you want to add
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: at the running back position.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I prefer both the more expensive like what feels like
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: they're starting running backs and the ve Doll versus Hines,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Like I get Hines as two hundred, but I mean,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: we haven't seen this dude like on the field at all.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Like I want third bound roll at best, and I
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: don't even think like crucial third down like spots in
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: this game. I'm not confident that he's running on the
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: field for Vidal when it's all said and done. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: I get he's two hundred, but we have enough value
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: on this slate, like three points at two hundred. I
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: don't think it's on the winner today. I don't think
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: it's one of those slates. Whereas, like again that Falcons
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: one is coming to mind whenever that was that like
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: that slate was or Sunday night, that slate was super
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: tough against the Niners. The value, yeah, the value was
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: terrible where two was on the winner. I believe Charlie
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Kohler like this late just doesn't feel like one of
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: those spots. So I don't love nine or Hines. Yes,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: he's two hundred. He might get a couple snaps, play
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: a little bit. He'll be on my pool. Clearly like vidalmore,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: and I clearly like Mason more, even though he's more expensive.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Like you said, it's not like Aaron Jones was really
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: great when he was playing. I think Mason has been
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: very good for him. Will be the early down back,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: will be the goal line back, which means Jones has
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: to probably catch I don't know, three four, maybe get
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: in the box to really get there. Because he has
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: a real price tag. He's around the the Conkeys, he's
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: around the Vodals, Keenan Allen, Kinda Johnson, Gadson's right there.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Addison like he has to have a real score in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: this one, and I just really don't like it, so
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: i'd other overspend Mason. I think Vidal's really strong, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're playing sixty plus teams, I do
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: think having Hines and Jones unless you're like, who I mean,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: who makes a lot more strong stands?
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I guess than I do.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: When I play more teams, I tell myself I'm playing
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: more teams so I can get more stuff in my
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: portfolio the last teams I play that I do it
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: that way. But if you make a big stand with
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of teams and you get it right, you
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: can just say they're paying the rake. So there's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: lot of different So I DFS is great. Everyone has
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: their own their own strategy and stuff. But Heines or
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Vidal Mason clearly my favorite two running backs.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shut out to my man, Michael. I got a
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: two second rant on this one that you know, certainly
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: appreciate you your supporting and we do try and take
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: our stands and do what we say. The good good
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: news is you can find us in the lobby's playing.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And I want to spend two seconds on that is.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Most of the DFS content creators you're watching are doing
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of talking, not a lot of walking, not
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of playing, not actually putting their money where
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: their mouth is. So we do take a lot of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: pride in that. I know I'm pretty vulnerable where my
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: heart on my sleeve when I talk about this stuff,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: but it matters to us. We especially think when people
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: are signing up to ship a nation, they know that guy.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: You know, we get players that are in the streets.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Rio is playing full time, our guy Bellman who we
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: just signed is playing full time. Title Me and Hoop
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: are always playing tons each week, and the rest of
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: our team too. It's just noting it. We want to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: make sure that we're still teaching you how to play
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and not just who to play, and then let the
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: content help you guide that. Because it's your money, right,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you're putting your money in. You want to make sure
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that you're getting it in the way you want, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: then playing it in a way that can be profitable
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: and with proven process and a way to make it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: your own. So really appreciate you supporting everybody that thinks that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: We appreciate all the support of you guys coming through.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: But definitely wanted to say that Hoop. I know, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: we talk about it at times. There's a lot of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: people that do a lot of talking, not a lot
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of walking, not a lot of playing.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree with all that and like just
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: not not being not willing to say you're wrong when
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: you're wrong. Like, I think that's one thing that we
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: kind of pride ourselves on. If you if we get
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: something wrong and it's you know, we took a big
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: stand on it, made a big, big fuss about it
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: on a show, you can usually count on the fact
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of what we'll come on here and take the l
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: rather quickly. It's one thing I definitely pride myself on,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and I know you guys do as well, Like not
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a you know, nobody's right every single time they make
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: a stand, like that's just not the not the reality
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: of the situation. And you know, this industry is the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: integrity for a lot of guys is really low at
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: this point, and you know, people barely hanging on by
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: a thread in terms of playing and you know, doing
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the content to go along with it. So yeah, just
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: as I kind of said in the opening, be careful
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: what what you're signing up for, because a lot of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: it is is false. Hope.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, title took a Spaghetti's trap l immediately and then
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Homie jams three TVs. Very Yeah, that's that's pretty crazy
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, Judges, we had that talk the other
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: day though. I think that was a lot of fun.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That's that's what makes it great. I love working with
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: these guys every day and being in business with them
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and just talking in friends. It's always a good fun
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and titles the men. He paid that off right away immediately.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, never again, no crop top.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: That's again, well you can do it, but just don't
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: give me the options. Just come in with a little
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, you gave me the spaghetti strap thing. Of course,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I gotta go a spaghetti strap as soon as that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: offering up.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: That was good man, Ryan's the man. That was funny.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, let's uh, let's keep a moving hoop.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Do you do you have any more running back takes?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I mean I added the Mason stuff in there. If
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: you want anything with that. If not, you can take
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: us to these wide receivers.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Just add on to the uh Miller Hines conversation. The
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Miller Heines conversation. It's like, all right, what sort of ownership?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Because I do think it's important, Like he's a two
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars guy and he's getting substantial ownership. I think
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: it's it's fine to like not necessarily go there, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: it's looking low. It could end up, it could come up,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: but we're showing six percent. I think that's pretty reasonable,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: and these cheap guys have kind of been held in check.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: There hasn't been many slates where those cheap guys got
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: like way up there in terms of ownership. So probably
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: is still a low own play. But you need to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: be careful I guess with how you build them, because
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of the builds could look pretty similar.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: So what do you want. Let's touch on that quick, because.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Well, you need it's fun. The setup for sure on
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: one of these guys is like, you know, what can
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you do? Like what's the what's the ceiling in terms
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: realistic ceiling? In terms of fantasy points. I think today
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: you're looking for maybe like uh, I don't know, like ten,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: maybe twelve. You know, maybe he gets a fluke touchdown
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: or he racks up four to five catches, which I
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: think is possible, and then what do you need to
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: go along with that? You need five guys to have
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: a big night, but not absolutely nuke the slate. So
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: that's kind of what you're looking for. Him to probably
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: have around ten and five guys to be between twenty
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and twenty five.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, he's plus twelve hundred a score and
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: he doesn't even have a rushing or receiving. This dude
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: might legit get like six naps.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: It's my worry.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So were you gonna go here with it? Though? Because
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I want to interject because I think that's important to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: people to realize it's a slate dynamic, right, it's if
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: he even if he does that eight points or something
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: like that. I know that seems amazing for two hundred bucks,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: but you just do you still need all the other things,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Like the build has to go that way. We talked
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: earlier how there's like five to ten builds that could
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: start in the mid range that end up getting still
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like a twelve pointer out of another mid range guy.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But it lets you get five other dudes in there
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that are not that and so it could get over
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: over roaded by that type of stuff, couldn't it potentially?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I mean what sort of work. I mean, they'd have
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: two running backs. I mean that's like the.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: They might call someone up. I'd be on the lookout
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: for that too.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, so last week, I don't know when
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Haskins got hurt, but he had two catches in one
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: rushing temp and I don't know when he went out
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: of that game, but they legit have two guys. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm more on the side which is this
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: is what the fun of all this stuff? You can
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: we can talk through it and have different opinions. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: think he just has the chance for more work. Like
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: v Dalla's already a backup, Like there's no way he gets.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: All of it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: So I think Hin's gonna have a bigger role than them.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: We're thinking Andy ketches passes as well, so he has
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: that out. He has the two minute drill out, you
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: know where if they have the ball at the end
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of the half and he's out there, he could be
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: out there the entire drive and v Dallas sitting on
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: the sideline. So I'm more in on it, especially if
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the ownership remains pretty low.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing for me is just saying
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it again is like, okay, but the chat's already said
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: it up one. You know what's gonna happen if you're
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: playing him in the flex, who do you think your
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: captain is? It's most likely going to be Herbert or Jefferson,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And then it's like most likely the next two to
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: three guys are the same guys. It's like, congrats, you
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: back yourself into a corner and you have a one
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: v one. So I'll be if I'm I'm definitely gonna
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: have this on me Stoner Bucks. I'm saying when I'm
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: playing him, be more clear. When I'm playing him, it's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: more likely to be like, leave a bunch of money
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: on the table or build differently on purpose, because most
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that are building with him are going to have automatic
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Those one of those dumb builds though. I mean, you
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: know what the obvious build is if you play him
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: in flex, I mean, just to go through.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Million, you get him with Jefferson up top. Most people
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: will want to put Wentz Herbert. You still have almost
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: sixty five hundred. It's like whatever, It's like you got five.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got him with five Studds essentially and someone
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: off top, and yeah, you can basically zero it out
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: with Jefferson some of those guys. So it's like you
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: need to Yeah, I mean, if you're handbuilding, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: leave money on the table and make it all makes sense.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: But I'm more more in on him, and I think
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: you guys are.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be look at you, I'm gonna just if
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: they don't call up any backup running back, then I
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: think I'm I'll probably be a little more on hoops.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Still don't love it as much. If they call up
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: someone else, I'm getting even more worried. And if they
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: don't call someone else up, then I bump both of them,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: and I think the doll is even a stronger play
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: if he's not going to lose any early down work.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the opposite. Like the other thing to consider with
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: this when you start looking at these options is there's like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like eight to nine guys that can
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: realistically get eighteen and above Fantasy points on the slate,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So like there's there's probably like again, who knows how
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: this game plays out. I mean, we could have one
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: of these just you know, dud Thursday games, Like it's
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: definitely possible. But the argument against playing Miller Hines is
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the fact that there's just so many guys that can
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: get to eighteen nineteen twenty Fantasy points and it's gonna
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: look like, you know, a star studded optimal team at
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the end. That seems like it could be this sort
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: of slate.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the cash lineup's gonna come together just nicely for
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you tonight's title. I can tell you that much from
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: just plugging in some stuff there. It's very very easy
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: if you just do that and you basically land on
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the nuts. There's like two variations of it. So yeah,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it's the nuts for cash maybe, but for tournaments, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: think worth thinking about those other factors, so at least
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: makes it someone interesting. Let's keep it moving. Let's go
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to wide receiver. Hoop I'll stay with you, and after
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, we will announce who is going to be
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: playing against Hoopster in the head to head this week.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: The Golden Ship at winner number twenty four will be
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: announced after we break down the wide receiver position, So
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: make sure to smash the like subscribe to the channel. Hoop,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I'll kick it to you for wide receiver.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get back on track in the head to head.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: So I feel bad for whoever. I don't feel bad
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: because they're automatically in the final, but I feel bad
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: that they're not going to get two hundred and fifty
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: extra dollars. We talked about all these wide receivers for
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the most part, Like you know, Jefferson, great play if
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: you have the money. I really like Jordan Addison, I know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you know, Title kind of opened up talking about him
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: and Quinton Johnson. Those are two guys I definitely have
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: my eye on tonight and Captain and Flex specifically Captain,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm good with these guys in Flex as well.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I think they're they're both strong options. Lad McConkie Keenan Allen,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: you know, both fine options. Like these top five wide
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: receivers are all very viable options. It's just it's tough,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: especially in the showdown format, to really poke holes into
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: you know, why you want to play them. So I
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: think they're all fine, all good And uh is that
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: is that? Is he back? Joe? That is pretty big?
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, they're.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Because they definitely have struggled to protect. So yeah, all
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: those past pass catchers are fine. You want to add
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: in Naylor, Trey Harris, fine with that. I don't really
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: think there's anything else. Adam feeling probably not for me,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: especially with Addison back, like I don't really love that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I don't love Trey Harris, Like, yeah, I'd probably just
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: be rolling these these main dudes and then probably Naylor,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I guess, is the one I'll add in there, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: it's pretty clear position. And like I said, like Quinton
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and Jordan Addison are the ones that are kind of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: standing up because I think their ownership is a little
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: bit lower than those other guys.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, title, what are you thinking?
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not really much more to add Like the other
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: outside of the clear guys, the mcconkee's, Keenan's whatever, Like
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: it's Trey Harris's wide receiver four on the Chargers a
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: rookie and he has They have been getting more involved
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: at the expense of Keenan for the most part, since
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: they run so much eleven personnel. If you want to
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: mix someone in that has some upside, one play could
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: be low ownership.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Sure, like Naylor looks like the better play if you're
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: going to go that route.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Naylor's thirty six, Trey Harris is three K Like it's
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: clearly Naylor's wide receiver three over Thielan.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: The problem is it's just so concentrated. When they do
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: drop back, it's either Jefferson is the one like his
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: first look and then Addison second or vice versa. But
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: like the receiving props are double pretty much Naylor to
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Trey Harris, Trey Harris eight and a half, Naylor's sixteen
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and a half touched on prop Naylor plus five fIF
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: fifty Trey Harris plus one thousand. So I do prefer
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Naylor if choosing, since he's on the field more and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: the props are better, But neither of those got like.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I don't love him too much. It's just a way
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: to get different. Down below.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: All of the other receivers are good, Like I love Addison,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: I love Jefferson, and QJ is my favorite if picking,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: but I don't feel strongly on the Charger side. I mean,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I said QJ was my favorite last week and he
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: was the worst one. You need a Keaton at the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: end of the day, and then we go to gaps
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: and at tight end you could say he's a receiver
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: almost at this point. So I do like the Addison
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Jefferson most at receiver because I think it's the most concentrated.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys kind of covered this. The Nailer thing
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I think was maybe like last game, we were seeing
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: him mix into the bunch. You know, he's still getting
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: a ton of the snaps and all that, and he
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: seems to like him, so he's a way to get different.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: But you know, you have Josh Oliver when we get
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: there in a second, my backup tight end option. Every
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: showdown slate, he seems to get there, and then you've
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: got Hawkinson, Addison, Jefferson for pass catchers in general, So
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it feels harder for him to break through and break
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: in than some of the other spots. And Trey Harris
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: on the other side would really crush, you know, the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: spots of Mconkie Allen, like if he gets going or
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: does anything, that would be more hurtful because that side's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: gonna have a bunch more ownership outside of just the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: two guys on Minnesota in Jefferson and Addison. So interesting
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to see shake. So going back to running back for
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: a second, did you see anything on this Amar Johnson
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: guy title?
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Who's a yeah, it's.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Just the other guy that is behind them. But I
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: was I was just reading about it, and it was
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: like in the preseason he turned twenty two carries into
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen yards, two touchdowns, five point two
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: yards per attempt, and it looks like, I don't know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: we'll have to see if he can get into the mix.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It was talking about I think he was on with
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Green Bay and then came over to the Chargers. But
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: this would be the spot that it would be, they said,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And so don't I don't know if they will call anybod.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I think it'll just be him. This is a more
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: recent article, so maybe it is just going to be
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: him behind And we got him there on the stone
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: as well, So yeah, I mean for the same two
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks, but obviously Hines would be the guy people land on.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: So just just to note.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, i'lle like point zero two.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I just I don't think I'm really gonna mess with
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: with too much of that stuff. And then I think
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: it makes me like Vidal even more. It really depends
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: on just how you see the snapshare, Like who thinks
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: he'll get more work if he does he's tone.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Askin's usage wasn't super crazy anyway, So that was the
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: other It was awful.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I mean he was I don't know what when did
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: he go out of the game though, When did he
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: get injured?
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Twenty five snaps and he had one rush in two catches.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Like so, but he did he played twenty five snaps?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he didn't get much work.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: They were to be fair like they were trailed, like
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: the game script was as bad as it could have
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: got for Haskins.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Stuff like that game script.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: If they get like Heines is the pass catching back,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: but mid All can catch passes too. It's I don't know.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: They just have so many studs out there. Is it
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: really going to be your your Miller Hines guy of
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Keenan McConkey gats In? This is it Heines doing it?
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe when you're right, you'll get paid off to.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Pay off that name change today boys.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Put some respect on the name.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Which one keep laughing? Got you though, right?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I mean you gotta go with the official name.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What what do you think of tight end hoop?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: We've got the the Gadson conversation in the chat, I
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: mean certainly a starting point. I think somebody posted it
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: here earlier here, Yeah, shut shut there a man Allen
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Allen Kutz. Is anyone thinking that people will chase gads
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: In this week? And he comes in very chocky, perfect
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: set up the Will Disley back up touchdown game. What
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: do you what do you think about that thought?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I don't hate that. I mean people took notice of
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: gats In. I mean literally just like last week for
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: the most part. And then of course you got all
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: these fucking Best Ball people that are gonna victory. Oh,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I told you he was the late round fire that
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: you needed this year in Best Ball, Like he's the
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: one I've been saying it since Jude on July. You
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: should have been following me and drafting him. Like anytime
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: a random dude goes off, like these Best Ball guys
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: cannot resist. They like literally can't resist. I told you
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: this is the guy to take in around thirty eight
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of the Best Ball draft, like I knew it was him, Like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: just sit this one out. Guys, we get it. Anytime
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: someone goes off, this is who you were pumping, Like
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I totally understand it. You don't have to do it
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: every fucking time, but they do. But in regards to
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: today's slate, like, yeah, people obviously took notice of the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: big game. I mean he scored what thirty two Fantasy points? Yes,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: that is going to increase his ownership. Today we are
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: showing let's see, we're showing like thirty percent. Yeah, it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: probably right around there. So like you know, if people
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: are looking at tight ends like TJ. Hockinson's ownership is
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: probably lower and I get it's just a flex thing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: It's not like you have to play a tight end
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But TJ. Howkinson's ownership is probably lower because
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: of what gets and did you know Will Disley, Like
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll necessarily get there, just because
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they still have so many dudes. They have all the
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: wide receivers, they have the running backs that catch passes,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: including our boy Miller Hines, like they got they got
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: all these guys that can throw the ball to over
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: a backup tight end. So, like you know, with the
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Gatson thing, I think he's a strong play. Like he's
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: higher owned than than I'd like him to be. But
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: it is tough to ignore, especially in like Herbert Captain
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: teams where you kind of think he spreads it out
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna play Herbert with two pass catchers, Like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: totally fine playing him there. But he's despite my rant,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: you know, he's a very strong player. There's nothing to
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: do with Gatson. I think he's fine. You know TJ.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Howkinson fine. Then you know Josh Oliver, they always mix in.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I don't mind getting a little bit of him.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Oliver man the backup guy for these showdown
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: sites title. What do you think in the tight end?
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Gadson he's a lead. I mean, ever
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: since week three, his snaps have continued to go up.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: He's dominated the tight end room. I think it was
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: last week will this Ley early like one with the
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: face of his helmet like it's awful. I believe it
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: was a third down drop. He stinks like they just
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: got No.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: One.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: And Hawkinson, I think he stinks too.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: And I'm the last time I said that these old
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: dusty tight ends it was a goddard day and he
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: absolutely buried me, like I'm I'm not gonna take it
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: that far, but it clearly give me the young, spry
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: guy over this old dusty Hawkinson. It was like the
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: fourth three to every play. It seems like he needs
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: to get in the box now. Yeah, I'll have some
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: in the flex. I think Gadson's elite play captain flex
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: anything you can easily leave money, like, Gadson is cheaper
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: than Johnston, Keenan McConkie Vea doll, Addison, Aaron Jones, Mason, Like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: would I be shocked if he outscored almost all of them?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I think he's a
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: big part of this passing game for Herbert, so I
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: think he's a great play in both flex and captain
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: an I man, these Oliver's, these fists, all these other
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: dudes that they beat me, they beat me.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I think I don't know if I want that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Just getting my Hawkinson captain lineups in right now?
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Smart, You're absolutely smart.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Isn't it tight end week or something?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: You're coming up last year?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Last week's starting on Sunday? Not today?
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, No, it is.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: I think I think you're right. It is this week.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: It is. It starts officially starts tonight.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's gonna. It's gonna Gatson will lead it off.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: You're right, get the Gats and disleyt Gats and Disley
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: double dip with the Herbert up top Herbert. Let's see,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: you know, three hundred four touchdowns to two to each
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: of those dudes.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: If you have like a Herbert tight end running back
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: line up, even with Herbert a captain, no pass, no
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: wide receivers. Sorry, that right?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gats or Gatson and uh uh Miller Hines.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Miller Hines.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Withines, you got to get a Jersey Miller Hines
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: for sure, that's.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: But it would have to be like the It has
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: to be like the ship money. Yeah, it has to
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: be the homemade version, though, it's got to be like
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: you gotta get one of the old name heinz Jerseys
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: and just like ad Miller to the top. Somehow you're safe, that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Ain't He needed to change his last name to Hines,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: like the catch up and go get the sponsorship that way,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: as opposed to Adam Miller. I can't get it with
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: this last name. Let me get this one instead.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: May see if I can get beer and catch up combo.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: One of the two will bite.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Coach Savs said, pivot to Oliver and then got to
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: shut at our man. Respondent said, not a bad idea,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: But that is Brock Newsome, the one hundred K man
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: from night one in the NBA. Shout at the Brock
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: getting them all set up with the Winner Circle. He
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: got everything done with that, and so appreciate him, uh
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: being with us, and yeah he's been. He's been there
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: since day one. So congrats to him, founding family member,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: winning one hundred k plus another one for the Winter Circle.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Love to see it all, right, defense and kickers, this
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: is the the best kicker Yo, dick Er the kicker man.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: We got the spot here. And then the chat was
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: talking about Will Will Rashard as you could call him,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: but I don't even know how to actually say Riker
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: think is his real name. But Will Richard man duct
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: tape part of a Miller.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Light box, right, so get the Miller Lite version and
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: then put it right above the hinds. And now we're
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: talking now, and now we're making and get them wear
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: sporting that out at the campsite campgrounds fit right.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: In chips before.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: By the way, catch up lays now.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Have you had?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: It's a bit. It's a big popular thing in Canada.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I know we know who takes at the very end,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: but I'm curious have you ever had? Because I think
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: it's only well, it's at least popular in Canada. I
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: don't like you see them everywhere, but you guys have these.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: No sounds awful.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I tried it once or I've
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: seen it. So many flavors makes them, yeah, they have
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: so many flavors.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Title title, title eats too healthy, He doesn't title doesn't
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: eat chips.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: No man, title needs some snacks man, He'll.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really one day a week when he decides he's
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: gonna cheat.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Man says, legit for users like me, kids like them.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: But the problem is they make your fingers so red,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and then they walk around trying to touch everything, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, man, you can't around them.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Let's just get rid of them completely.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let them get in your office and have those chips.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: No, all right, I had to check it in Kickers
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and kickers and D's Kickers and D's. We'll get off
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the chips.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Don't don't get involved in that Chauncey Billups game and entitled.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: From these these these home games there. Yeah, you never know, scary.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: That is crazy. We didn't really talk about, but it
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: is absolutely wild that like the stories around this game.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: But they said people were like streaming about it like
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: years ago, like knowing to stay away from these games.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean they're it's just how much money,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Like I don't know, like addiction I get and stuff.
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: You have all the money of all everything you need.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: What is getting in this game or like helping to
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: get more hot?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Do you want to know what?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: As man look at its addiction that he had like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: forty three million, Oh, way like these guys. The thing
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: is they don't know what money is because they have
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: so much of it. So when it's like five hundred
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: k for a bet, it just feels like, oh, so
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I got I got millions, what's five hundred k. It's like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: that's insanity to be betting, even like the best poker
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: players you're talking to the poker analogies and stuff. I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: remember the old high stakes cash games. You'd see it
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: on some of their faces when they're in that game
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and they're probably backed in the first place, and then
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, shit, now I got five hundred k
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: in makeup because I just tried to go against Phil
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Ivy and got dusted and his bank role is I'll
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: tell you what it's it's not. I mean, Goop was
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: in this game for a long time, in the cash
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: streets and the high stakes stuff, playing these big three way.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Like you want to take on these names and talk
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: shit to them, go ahead, but they're they all the
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: money they're playing with is people like you that they've
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: taken it from for years, and so you better.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Hope you better hope that's a real thing too. I mean,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: you could go Empire threw some tweets out.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: You just really that was all legit, I mean empire. Yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: that stuff was very very legit, and a ton of
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: money too. But it's like I got I got scammed
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: out of a lot of money in those three Mans.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: But it's like, what's what's my recourse? How can I
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: truly prove it? There's no way I can prove it
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: in the court of law what happened. There's there's literally
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: no way. You have to be in the gambling space
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: to space. Yeah, you got to to understand the ins
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: and outs of what these guys were doing in these
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: high stakes three mans. Empire was very right. I mean
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I would lost probably somewhere in the range of six
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: figures in those games, and he probably lost seven figures,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: maybe eight figures in those games. And you know what's
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: his recourse? That really is none. So it sucks and
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna find You're gonna find cheaters and scammers and
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: all walks of life. Unfortunately, It's just that's how things go.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: People do any people do a lot of things for money, man,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. So you got to remember that,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and it's tough. You can't trust a lot of those games.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: So just the point being is like it's always, you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a risk. But I think that's what it is, sidle.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I think people just play outside their means. I know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: we get you know, people a bank roll manager in
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: contest selection, I get it, let me just load up,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: But sometimes those same people are just firing away. Let
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: me just go post again, deposit again, like everything.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: The goalpost never ends for some it's I mean, you
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: can have millions of dollars and you can blow millions
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: of dollars in DFS. Trust me, you can look at
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: all those contests they put up and they got daily
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: in all these sports. It's I'm not gonna say it's not. Yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Jackson Will, I mean, I I like that guy. He's
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: takes out of my high stakes on the name.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: He offset some of the scam money I got in
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: the in the those high stakes three mans. He definitely
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: offset some of it. But yeah, it's uh, it's it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: a wild world out there.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah the right way.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I think we we might as just might as well
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: ended it on that because we were talking kickers and d's,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: but I think it's kind of spread out tonight. Is
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: there anything you have to add on that hoop or want.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: To go through. I mean two very viable kickers. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: mean kicker the dicker or kick Dick or the kicker
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: and then wilvershow I mean both these guys are solid
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: DFS kickers. I want exposure to both. I'll do the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: same thing. I hate. I hate saying I hate even
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: talking about defense because it's very rare where you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: my strategy changes on it. Just like whatever I get,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I get, And that's kind of what I'll be doing tonight.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I just I almost got the unique the other night
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: with two defenses, same lineup.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: That is one way. There's definitely one way to get unique.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: That's definitely one way to get unique.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: It just got to oh my gosh, Seahawks should have
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: had the safety. There was that fumble. You might have
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: been in bed by this time. Oh my gosh. If
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: you saw a picture, a snapshot, it was a fumble
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: by Stroud. Literally the ball was on like the five
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: yard line and there was four Seahawks going and somehow
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: nothing happened. It was a five yard penalty. Second, the
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: craziest you'll have to look up the craziest situation.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I want to know that night, how ship would have
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: had nobody told me that all week. I just knew
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: that I had.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: It was earlier in the game, could have changed so
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: much like effect, yes, that way. But the craziest thing
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: wasn't a safe. He was a five yard penalty like
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: a touchback. I don't even know what I was watching,
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: but yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the I was gonna say, you just reminded me
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: of something else, the rosier thing. I don't know. Keep going,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: you're good kickers, Kickers and d's anything else you want
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: to add.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: No, not, not really.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I mean if I had a picker defense, I think
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: I prefer Chargers Carson Wentz more of a statue, but
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: so much randomized random stuff. It helps you get different
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: quick thing at FanDuel, I just noticed the one big difference,
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Like Gadson is eight K, so they priced him up
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: a lot more on FanDuel, Like he's more expensive than
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: the Conkey right in that same range I guess of
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: Addison Vidal stuff. So just looking at that, Kickers I
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: think will be even more popular, Like they offer a
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: lot of value over there, and then you do have
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Hines mid price at one K. If people do go
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: down below, it feels like a lot more of a
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: dead range from like the three five K to the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Mint Price, which I do think has a little more
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: ownership on him.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: So I will say Tesla one hundred times, but not
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: say Miller Hines and put some respect on his new name.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta put some respect on that name.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: If that dude gets out there more than more than
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: four points, I'll call him Miller Hines from deal.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is personal. But did Maddie change her name?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So what if someone came in calling her a maiden?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: You'd be getting on that right, You'd be like, hey,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that's not technically this. Now you got to put this
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: guy changed his maiden up. You got to give him
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: respect title.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah maybe I probably wouldn't care.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be telling you, man, but I gotta put
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: some respect on this guy's name. When Jersey.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Another thing on FanDuel, there's one other was McConkie's like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: really cheap over there, cheaper than Gatson. Yeah, seventy eight
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: hundred for McConkie. Yeah, it's like way way cheaper than
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: some mccon.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: He's basically his DraftKings price Unfanduel, which come on, yeah,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: what are we doing over there? But anyway, that tells
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: you right away, just you can leave a bunch of money.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people will try and make
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that bump up everywhere else. Just use him as the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: guy and just leave build like your best Keenan Allen
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: lineup and just bang, put mconkey in it and leave
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: all that money. That's what we've seen. Actually a bunch
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: of solo shippers too over on FanDuel this year with
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: the new structure of course, but I'll tell you what,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: when I look at them, it's almost always just four
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: grand on the table or three grand. It's it's it's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: like amazing, it's an amazing lineup. You're like, what, how
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: the hell is that the the one? But then you
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: do the math and you're like, oh, there it is.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: It's like fifty two nine or fifty six or something
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: like that instead of the sixty k. So that's what
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: does it. And this is a prime example where you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: could do it and stead most are going to use
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: McConkey to bulk up everywhere else, build your best keenan
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Allen and then just drop it down to McConkie. It's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: just one example of how you can get different. And
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I'm calling that kicker. I know his name is Will Riiker,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: but I'm calling him will Ship a Nation Rocket, like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: who's at Rashard the Rocket Rashard today. He's gonna be
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: a good option, I think, and I think most people
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: like Dick or the Kicker home favorite, similar price point.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: If you're not on gad Center, if you don't have
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the money for Gadson, I'll just plug in Dicker instead.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: He kicks a bunch, He's great, he makes perfect sense.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the opposite side for five k flat,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I think is interesting as well. And I don't think
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be like some huge ownership discount. But there's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: definitely thoughts of people going to Gadson there and then
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: if not being on Gadson, landing on Dicker. So I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: think that's definitely a possibility going to Will Rocket Rashard
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: on the other side. Title any final thoughts from you man,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: No fun show.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, we got some NBA tonight, only two games,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: but we got some football, we got baseball tomorrow, we
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: got college football, NHL, we got everything going on. So yeah,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: we talk bankroll management. If there is any time of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: the year to have bankroll management, it is no doubt
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: this time but yeah, find where your edge is. Are
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: you better at Showdown, you better at Mainslider, you better
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: at two games? Are you better at six games? Like,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: really find your niche. There's so much going on and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: allocate your bankroll accordingly. So yeah, good luck, stay in
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: the game. It's a lot of people watch it. I mean,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: we do it professionally, we do it all that, but
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: you have to have fun with it at the end
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: of the day too. Once you start stressing over the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: daily losses or it gets to a mental game or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: affects when you wake up your fan like that, then
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: you really got to dial it back a bit.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: So yeah, just enjoy it. It's a fun game we play.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent advice. And I think the like pick a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: lane thing, Like we talk about it all the time,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: but it is so true and like some people don't
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: again it's not for it's not a replace full times
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: they're not thinking about it from that perspective. But oftentimes,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: like you know, I was saying in the discord to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: someone the other day, they said, oh, I've done much
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: better on Showdown and on short slates. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: it's correlated or PGA Showdown. Yeah, it's smaller player pool
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: sizes to start with, you're already dealing with a smaller
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: player pool. Then once you cut it down so you
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: feel better about it, what gets overwhelming is like an
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: NBA slate like last night. Why the commune is so
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: important to Hoop's perspective of you need that sort of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: angle of everyone letting you know these things. When there's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: a ton of value plays and a ton of different
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: options and a full main slate. Sometimes it is a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: way that you can still get action, get volume, and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: then play it in an afternoon only slate with four
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: games and it's less decisions to be made. It's better
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: to work with. Then you can use that as foundation
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: to build out from, which will make you a better
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: player for those bigger slates and be able to take
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: them all. You don't have to skip it. You could
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: throw a line up into the main slate still and
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: work on your game. But it's just part of it, right.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: You always want to be working on something. I love
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: that advice from title whop Any final thoughts from you,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: my man?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice from you guys for sure. It's like,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're stronger at showdown, stronger at shorter slates,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: focus on that, like you like, don't be ashamed to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: sit out the main slate because the prize pools are
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: so big. I mean, stay in your lanes, stick with
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: what's been working, and don't feel obligated to play certain contests.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: It's very you know, important, like long term. You know,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: if you're good at Showdown, play Showdown. Like you don't
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: have to grind every single slate every single day. If
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: you're better at three game NBA slates instead of the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: full twelve, play the late slates, or play the Thursday
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: slates or the other day that's slow, usually on Tuesdays. Like,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: you know, stick with what works and play to your strengths.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, aask questions that the discord's all about. Even with
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: the five day trial you get with Chip nineteen, you
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: can get into the discord, check it all out, ask questions.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Be around people that are grinding towards the same goals,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: like minded individuals. It's a lot of fun. Speaking of fun,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: we got and if hopefully you're good at head to heads,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: if you're because you're not, you're going up against one
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: of the best six and one record on the line.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: This we Hoopster, the Golden ship at winner of Golden
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Ship at number twenty four. For the head to head
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: against Hoopster, the winner is Jesse Sammic Nice. Jesse samic
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Is winner number twenty four of fifty, so twenty six
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: tickets to remain. We'll have the next one in just
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: a second, and then we got the others playing that.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: The name looks familiar to.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Me, you know.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: The unfortunate part for him is like twenty four is
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: my number. That was like my baseball basketball number, Like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: twenty four is my number. So it's, uh, I'm gonna
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put in a little extra work this week
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: on the head to head.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Longer than this.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you God, perfect perfect segue right.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: In week one, who put in about ten seconds to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: beat our guy Naids in a head to head. So
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: just want to make sure we remind you.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: The worst part, the worst part about that whole bit
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: is Maid tried following it up saying like he built
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: his team on the shitter, like get out of here.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Like as soon as I say it took me ten seconds,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: you just back down and just let it be. You
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: can't try to one up me on the amount of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: effort you put into the team Like. That's not how
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: that argument works, all.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Right, Jesse, Good for you. Congrats. It's you know, gonna
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: be a battle with Hoopster. But either way, you are
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: in the Round one of the Ship of Games, first
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: ever NFL Ship of Games, where you're in the finals
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: where you will play down from the top fifty. You
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: already get a min cash prize. You already get a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: guaranteed month of Ultimate at the end of the season
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: for Sabersim with with ship a Nation connection, you get
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: a bunch from that. We're trying to grow the pool
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: as much as we can. But the Round one will
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: be featured Week seventeen. None of the Week eighteen extra bullshit.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: There's always something even Week seventeen, but at least it's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: a better slate. The top ten of the fifty Golden
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: ship At winners will move on to Week one of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: the NFL Playoffs for whatever the main slate is that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: week and play for what's currently a twenty thousand dollars
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: cash first prize plus a forty eight hundred dollars annual
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: one year ship It Ultimate Slash Sabersim pass. Second gets
• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: five grand and the prize is down. From there, you
• 1:07:46
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• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and just click the banner up top or ship at
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  Speaker 2: games dot com and see all the breakdown there. So
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: congrats to Jesse winner number twenty four, winner number twenty
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: five and this is a share him. This last week
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: was my number twenty two. We talked about who yours
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: is twenty four. This week we're on number twenty five.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: The winner of the share ship that will build a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: lineup this week I think it's the three thirty three
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: is back with two hundred k up top. So the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: winner is Joel Nichols. Joel Nichols, congrats to you. You
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: are the winner number twenty five Golden Ship a ticket
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: and number twenty six will be decided you guys, if
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: you're a member, make sure you check your email for
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: this week's version where you get the Golden Shipper contest.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I think I saw one hundred and three of the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: two hundred spots filled already, but there's one hundred and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: ninety nine get into it and then myself. That's how
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be. But the other setup is one more
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: note is last week Hoop I got the Golden Ship,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: but I can't win my core lineup and everything that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: That was what I used. I use what I say,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: I say what I play, and that was part of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: it and it won that. But our man Robert j
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: ended up being the second place, so he actually got
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: the golden Ship. But it's still fun to saga I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: won one, I don't get to keep it.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that is interest and the other thing. I'm a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: little bit disappointed because you know, you're you're a guy
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: with all the sayings and rhymes and all that. I mean,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: there's got to be something there turning Nickels into Like,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: there's something there. I'm just not smart enough to put
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: it together. I thought you were gonna be on something
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: No, a lot more than whatever rhymes with nickels.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: That's that's the problem. I couldn't find it. I was
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: gonna say something, I couldn't come up with anything that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: rhymes with nickels. But there's got to be something there.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe someone in the chat will get us something on
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the way out. We're gonna turn nickels into something. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: we don't have it this week.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: But I appreciate that you're always looking for those one liners.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: We still have.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right now, who's.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Looking for them? So it's perfect. Rock said he's running hot.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Not only did he win the one hundred and fourteen
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: K and NBA on Night one, but he says he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: got his email, so it feels like I'm kind of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: feels like I'm running hot now. Well that's what I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: was the coach sav got it. But like, what are
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: you doing with pickles?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we need something more than pickles.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we will have to come up with it. Maybe,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: well think about it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: For the weekend.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: We got where we'll be back. We got a lot
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: of shows. We've got the Cash Game Show, MMA Show
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: coming up. I think it's tonight, right title you guys
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: will have that. We've got college football, We've got the
• 1:10:10
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• 1:10:13
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• 1:10:15
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