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- 0:03Speaker 1: It was a fourth Thursday in April and Raymond Jones
- 0:07Speaker 1: was three houses into his meter reading route on Sycamore
- 0:10Speaker 1: Terrace when he saw it. A wheelchair upright standing in
- 0:15Speaker 1: the shallow end of a backyard pool. The chrome frame
- 0:18Speaker 1: caught the morning light. The cushion was completely dry. He
- 0:22Speaker 1: had been reading meters on this street for eleven years.
- 0:25Speaker 1: He had never seen anything like it. Raymond called the
- 0:29Speaker 1: non emergency line. Two officers from Hollander Police Department arrived
- 0:34Speaker 1: at ten fifteen in the morning. They walked around the
- 0:37Speaker 1: pool fence, looked at the chair, and then knocked on
- 0:40Speaker 1: the back door of fourteen Sycamore Terrace. The man who
- 0:44Speaker 1: answered was sixty one years old. His name was Jerry Stroud.
- 0:49Speaker 1: The officers described what they had found. Jerry listened. Then
- 0:53Speaker 1: he said something that stopped them cold. He said he
- 0:56Speaker 1: didn't own a wheelchair, but he said it the way
- 0:59Speaker 1: up person says something they are still working out for themselves. Quiet, careful,
- 1:04Speaker 1: and then he added someone had told him he would
- 1:07Speaker 1: eventually need one. That sentence, that single strange sentence, is
- 1:13Speaker 1: where this story begins, because everything that led to a
- 1:16Speaker 1: wheelchair appearing in a retired man's pool on a spring morning.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Had been building for nearly two years, and none of
- 1:24Speaker 1: it was accidental. This is the story of how one
- 1:27Speaker 1: man systematically dismantled another man's sense of his own reality,
- 1:31Speaker 1: peace by peace, decision by decision, until Jerry Stroud could
- 1:36Speaker 1: no longer trust his own judgment about what was real
- 1:40Speaker 1: and what had been arranged for him. Before any of
- 1:43Speaker 1: that happened, Jerry Stroud was a man with a very
- 1:46Speaker 1: ordinary life, and he was learning slowly what to do
- 1:50Speaker 1: with it. He had spent more than two decades as
- 1:54Speaker 1: a purchasing manager, detail work, contracts, vendor relationships. He was
- 2:00Speaker 1: good at reading people across a table, good at knowing
- 2:03Speaker 1: when numbers didn't add up. He retired in the spring
- 2:06Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, eighteen months before everything changed. It was
- 2:11Speaker 1: the kind of retirement that sounds simple and isn't. He
- 2:15Speaker 1: had worked his whole adult life towards something, and then
- 2:19Speaker 1: it arrived, and the days got very quiet. Part of
- 2:22Speaker 1: the quiet was grief. His wife, Connie, had died of
- 2:26Speaker 1: a stroke in twenty fifteen. They had been married long
- 2:29Speaker 1: enough that her absence had rearranged the entire architecture of
- 2:33Speaker 1: his daily life. His son, Patrick lived in Columbus, Ohio,
- 2:37Speaker 1: far enough that visits were planned, not spontaneous. Jerry kept
- 2:41Speaker 1: the house on Sycamore Terrace. He kept his routines. His
- 2:45Speaker 1: longtime financial adviser, Tom, whose last name was omitted from
- 2:50Speaker 1: the public record, later described Jerry as unusually methodical. Tom
- 2:55Speaker 1: had managed Jerry's portfolio for a decade. He knew how
- 2:59Speaker 1: Jerry made decision slowly, with documentation, asking questions until he
- 3:04Speaker 1: understood something completely. He was not the kind of man
- 3:07Speaker 1: who signed things he hadn't read, Tom said. According to
- 3:11Speaker 1: court testimony, his physician, doctor Ellen Marsh, had a similarly
- 3:16Speaker 1: consistent picture of her patient. Jerry came to his appointments,
- 3:20Speaker 1: He managed his health carefully. There was no documented cognitive decline,
- 3:25Speaker 1: no mobility issues, no diagnosis that would remotely suggest he
- 3:30Speaker 1: needed a wheelchair. In February of twenty eighteen, doctor Marsh
- 3:34Speaker 1: did note something new. Jerry came in reporting anxiety, some
- 3:38Speaker 1: cognitive fog. He described feeling unmoored his word. According to
- 3:43Speaker 1: the medical record, she prescribed a low dose anxiolytic and
- 3:48Speaker 1: referred him to a counselor. He attended two sessions. He
- 3:52Speaker 1: did not go back. He would later say that someone
- 3:56Speaker 1: close to him had suggested the counseling was unnecessary, that
- 3:59Speaker 1: talking about his problems was only stirring the pot. That
- 4:03Speaker 1: someone had moved onto the street three houses down in
- 4:06Speaker 1: September of twenty seventeen. His name was James Whitfield. He
- 4:11Speaker 1: was fifty four years old. He told the neighbors he
- 4:14Speaker 1: owned the house. He did not, he was renting it.
- 4:17Speaker 1: The first time Jerry met Whitfield was at a neighborhood
- 4:20Speaker 1: potluck dinner. Whitfield arrived with a store bought cake and
- 4:24Speaker 1: an ability to listen that Jerry, by his own account,
- 4:28Speaker 1: found remarkable. He remembered everything, Jerry told investigators. According to
- 4:34Speaker 1: the case file, You'd say something once and he'd bring
- 4:37Speaker 1: it up three weeks later, like it mattered. It did matter,
- 4:41Speaker 1: just not in the way Jerry understood at the time.
- 4:43Speaker 1: What Whitfield was doing, a forensic psychologist named doctor Karen
- 4:47Speaker 1: Alvey would later explain to a jury was a systematic
- 4:51Speaker 1: process of trust cultivation. Every small act of attention was
- 4:55Speaker 1: data collection. Every conversation was mapping. Whitfield was building a
- 5:00Speaker 1: profile of a man's vulnerabilities, his loneliness, his grief, his
- 5:05Speaker 1: recent loss of professional structure and filing it away for
- 5:09Speaker 1: later use. Jerry didn't see any of that. What he
- 5:13Speaker 1: saw was a neighbor who showed up. The anniversary of
- 5:16Speaker 1: Connie's death fell on a Tuesday in November. Jerry hadn't
- 5:20Speaker 1: mentioned it to anyone on the street. He hadn't mentioned
- 5:23Speaker 1: it to most people at all. Grief for Jerry was
- 5:27Speaker 1: a private calculation he did alone. Whitfield knocked on the
- 5:31Speaker 1: door that evening with a container of food, hot food.
- 5:35Speaker 1: He said he'd been thinking about Jerry. He sat with
- 5:37Speaker 1: him for two hours. Jerry told investigators he couldn't remember
- 5:41Speaker 1: the last time someone had done that. I forgot what
- 5:44Speaker 1: it felt like, he said. According to case documents, what
- 5:47Speaker 1: he didn't know was that Whitfield had written the date down.
- 5:51Speaker 1: He had gone back to something Jerry said weeks earlier
- 5:55Speaker 1: and marked it in a way that would let him
- 5:57Speaker 1: use it at exactly the right moment. Is not friendship,
- 6:01Speaker 1: that is research. Over the following months, the attention intensified.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Whitfield began stopping by several times a week. He suggested errands,
- 6:11Speaker 1: He offered opinions on Jerry's health, mentioning to other neighbors
- 6:15Speaker 1: that Jerry seemed to be having some trouble with his balance.
- 6:19Speaker 1: No doctor had observed any balance problems. Doctor Ellen Marsh's
- 6:23Speaker 1: records for that period show a healthy sixty one year
- 6:26Speaker 1: old man with no mobility concerns whatsoever. But the story
- 6:31Speaker 1: was already being told, just not to Jerry. Here is
- 6:34Speaker 1: the thing about that gap. Whitfield was building a version
- 6:38Speaker 1: of Jerry in the neighborhood's mind that didn't match the
- 6:42Speaker 1: man who was actually living in the house, a man
- 6:44Speaker 1: who was perhaps fragile, perhaps not entirely reliable, perhaps someone
- 6:50Speaker 1: who needed help managing his affairs. That version of Jerry
- 6:53Speaker 1: would become useful later. In February of twenty eighteen, Jerry
- 6:57Speaker 1: came in to see doctor Marsh, reporting anxiety and some
- 7:01Speaker 1: cognitive fog. He used the word unmoored. She prescribed a
- 7:06Speaker 1: low dose angiolytic and referred him to a counselor. He
- 7:10Speaker 1: went twice, then he stopped. Someone had told him that
- 7:13Speaker 1: talking about his problems was only stirring things up unnecessarily.
- 7:18Speaker 1: That same month, Whitfield began accompanying Jerry to what Jerry
- 7:22Speaker 1: understood as routine financial planning appointments. Jerry had worked with
- 7:27Speaker 1: an advisor named Tom. For a decade. Tom knew his accounts,
- 7:31Speaker 1: his preferences, his long term goals, but Whitfield had introduced
- 7:36Speaker 1: him to an alternative, a firm called Lakeview Capital Partners,
- 7:40Speaker 1: which he described as more sophisticated, more aligned with where
- 7:44Speaker 1: Jerry was in life. Tom tried to locate Lakeview Capital
- 7:49Speaker 1: Partners in state licensing databases. He found nothing. Lakeview Capital
- 7:54Speaker 1: Partners was a single member LLC registered in Kentucky eighteen
- 7:58Speaker 1: months earlier. Its registered agent was a woman named Sandra Pryor.
- 8:03Speaker 1: Sandra Pryor was James Whitfield's former girlfriend. She would later
- 8:08Speaker 1: state in civil proceedings that she had signed the paperwork
- 8:13Speaker 1: as a favor and had no further involvement. That agreement
- 8:17Speaker 1: became part of a separate civil settlement. In the late
- 8:21Speaker 1: months of twenty eighteen, seven months of transfers moved two
- 8:26Speaker 1: hundred fourteen thousand dollars from Jerry's accounts into Lakeview Capital Partners.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Jerry signed each transfer he believed he was investing. In
- 8:36Speaker 1: October of twenty eighteen, Jerry signed a stack of documents
- 8:40Speaker 1: that Whitfield described as financial planning paperwork, standard accounting things.
- 8:47Speaker 1: Jerry didn't read each page carefully. He trusted the man
- 8:50Speaker 1: sitting next to him. Inside that stack was a durable
- 8:54Speaker 1: power of attorney. Also inside that stack was an enrollment
- 8:58Speaker 1: form for a supplemental INN assurance policy Jerry had never
- 9:02Speaker 1: heard of and was never told about. The power of
- 9:05Speaker 1: attorney was not yet operative. It would only activate if
- 9:09Speaker 1: Jerry were ever deemed legally incapacitated. But it existed, signed filed.
- 9:16Speaker 1: Whitfield had what he needed to wait. January of twenty nineteen,
- 9:21Speaker 1: someone placed an order for a wheelchair using Jerry Stroud's name,
- 9:25Speaker 1: his address, and a medical order number supposedly issued by
- 9:29Speaker 1: doctor Ellen Marsh. The order was placed from an Internet
- 9:33Speaker 1: router registered to the house three doors down from Jerry's.
- 9:37Speaker 1: Doctor Marsh later confirmed to investigators that she had never
- 9:40Speaker 1: issued that order. She had never recommended a wheelchair. She
- 9:44Speaker 1: had no record of any such referral in her system.
- 9:47Speaker 1: The wheelchair arrived at Jerry's front door. Jerry received it
- 9:51Speaker 1: without alarm. Whitfield had already told him it was coming.
- 9:56Speaker 1: He had framed it as forward planning, telling Jerry, according
- 9:59Speaker 1: to case documents, that he would eventually need it. Jerry
- 10:03Speaker 1: had accepted that framing he did not question it because
- 10:06Speaker 1: the man who told him had spent more than a
- 10:09Speaker 1: year becoming the person whose judgment Jerry trusted most. This
- 10:14Speaker 1: is where the psychological architecture becomes visible. Doctor Karen Alvi
- 10:19Speaker 1: testified at trial for forty minutes. What she described was
- 10:24Speaker 1: a process called systematic epistemic erosion. The target is not
- 10:29Speaker 1: confused into dependency all at once. Instead, the manipulator removes
- 10:35Speaker 1: one at a time, the external verification systems. The target
- 10:39Speaker 1: normally relies on the financial adviser who might have noticed
- 10:43Speaker 1: the transfers, the therapist who might have helped him examine
- 10:46Speaker 1: his own thinking, the sun in Columbus who called every
- 10:50Speaker 1: other week, but was by now receiving a version of
- 10:54Speaker 1: events filtered through Whitfield's framing. Each layer of independent perspective
- 10:59Speaker 1: was replaced with a single source, and that source was
- 11:02Speaker 1: James Whitfield. Jerry's world had not collapsed, It had quietly narrowed.
- 11:08Speaker 1: There is something almost unbearable about reading that part of
- 11:12Speaker 1: the record. The transfers did not feel like theft because
- 11:16Speaker 1: they arrived dressed as investment. The power of attorney did
- 11:19Speaker 1: not feel like a trap because it arrived buried in
- 11:22Speaker 1: paperwork described as routine. The wheelchair did not feel like
- 11:26Speaker 1: a prop in a fraud because it arrived with an
- 11:28Speaker 1: explanation that Jerry already believed. He believed it because he
- 11:33Speaker 1: had been taught to believe it slowly, carefully, over eighteen months.
- 11:38Speaker 1: The fourth Thursday of April two thousand nineteen, Raymond Jones
- 11:43Speaker 1: walked his meter reading route on Sycamore Terrace, a route
- 11:47Speaker 1: he had walked every fourth Thursday for eleven years. He
- 11:50Speaker 1: came around the back of the property at four fourteen
- 11:53Speaker 1: and stopped. A wheel chair sat upright in the shallow
- 11:56Speaker 1: end of the pool, chrome frame, catching the morning light,
- 12:00Speaker 1: cushion dry, nobody in the water, nobody in the yard.
- 12:05Speaker 1: Jones called it in. Two officers arrived at ten fifteen
- 12:10Speaker 1: in the morning. When they knocked on Jerry's door and
- 12:12Speaker 1: told him what they had found, he said he knew
- 12:16Speaker 1: what the chair was. He said some one had told
- 12:19Speaker 1: him he would eventually need it. That sentence was the
- 12:22Speaker 1: first thread. The wheel chair sitting in that pool was
- 12:25Speaker 1: not where Whitfield's plan was supposed to end. The evidence
- 12:29Speaker 1: record makes that clear. The power of attorney was filed
- 12:32Speaker 1: but dormant. The supplemental insurance policy had been activated without
- 12:37Speaker 1: Jerry's knowledge, two hundred fourteen thousand dollars had moved into
- 12:41Speaker 1: a shell company, and a falsified medical order had been
- 12:45Speaker 1: used to place a mobility device in a sixty one
- 12:48Speaker 1: year old man's home, a man who walked without assistance,
- 12:52Speaker 1: drove himself to appointments, and had no documented physical deterioration
- 12:57Speaker 1: of any kind. Picture what that combination points toward a
- 13:02Speaker 1: man whose independence is being quietly documented as failing a
- 13:06Speaker 1: legal instrument ready to declare him incapable, an insurance policy
- 13:11Speaker 1: whose terms Jerry had never read, and a neighbor who
- 13:14Speaker 1: was apparently the only person managing all of it. The
- 13:18Speaker 1: most direct reading of that architecture point somewhere very specific
- 13:23Speaker 1: toward guardianship or something that functions like it. But here
- 13:27Speaker 1: is where the record takes a turn. Eight days after
- 13:30Speaker 1: Whitfield's arrest, a sixty seven year old woman in terre
- 13:33Speaker 1: Hate picked up a newspaper and saw a name she recognized.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Nancy Pell called the tip line for the Hollander County
- 13:40Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. She spoke to Detective Ageli Feuer. The
- 13:45Speaker 1: call lasted forty seven minutes. Nancy Pell had met James
- 13:49Speaker 1: Whitfield in twenty twelve. In twenty thirteen in Evansville, he
- 13:54Speaker 1: had been a neighbor at her apartment complex. She described
- 13:58Speaker 1: a pattern that was functionally identific to what Jerry experienced.
- 14:02Speaker 1: The attention, the listening, the gradual insertion into her financial decisions,
- 14:07Speaker 1: the slow disappearance of her independent support systems. She had
- 14:11Speaker 1: not reported him at the time, she told Detective Feure.
- 14:15Speaker 1: She hadn't been certain enough of what had happened. She
- 14:18Speaker 1: had doubted her own perception of events. That phrase, doubted
- 14:22Speaker 1: her own perception recontextualizes every detail that came before it.
- 14:27Speaker 1: Whitfield had done this before The Lakeview LLC had been
- 14:31Speaker 1: registered eighteen months before the transfers began. The pattern with
- 14:35Speaker 1: Nancy Pell suggested the methodology was not improvised, it was practiced.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Jerry Stroud was not the origin of the scheme, he
- 14:45Speaker 1: was the iteration of it that got caught. Nancy Pell
- 14:48Speaker 1: testified at trial. The jury deliberated for six hours. They
- 14:53Speaker 1: returned guilty verdicts on all nine counts financial exploitation of
- 14:58Speaker 1: a vulnerable adult, fraud, and identity theft three counts each.
- 15:03Speaker 1: The judge sentenced Whitfield to fourteen years. In twenty twenty one,
- 15:08Speaker 1: Whitfield's attorneys appealed, arguing that the Router evidence had been
- 15:12Speaker 1: obtained improperly. The court rejected the argument. In twenty twenty three,
- 15:17Speaker 1: a parole review board denied early release. That same year,
- 15:22Speaker 1: Whitfield spoke to a penitentiary councilor named Ben Okeefort. He
- 15:27Speaker 1: said he had identified Jerry as a target within two
- 15:30Speaker 1: weeks of moving onto Sycamore Terrace. He described the situation
- 15:34Speaker 1: as low friction. He expressed no remorse. Low friction. That
- 15:39Speaker 1: was how he saw a sixty one year old widower
- 15:42Speaker 1: trying to navigate the first years of his life alone.
- 15:46Speaker 1: Jerry Stroud recovered most of his assets through the civil
- 15:49Speaker 1: trial and a separate settlement with Sandra Pryor. He began
- 15:53Speaker 1: seeing a therapist named Louise Grady. Eight months of weekly sessions.
- 15:57Speaker 1: He resumed his bi weekly visits to pay Patrick in Columbus.
- 16:01Speaker 1: The wheelchair was photographed, logged into evidence, and discarded. What
- 16:06Speaker 1: is harder to discard is the knowledge of how far
- 16:09Speaker 1: the process had gone before a meter reader on his
- 16:12Speaker 1: regular Thursday route noticed something wrong in a backyard pool,
- 16:17Speaker 1: not a financial institution, not a family member, not a doctor,
- 16:22Speaker 1: A man doing his job walking a path he had
- 16:25Speaker 1: walked for eleven years, who stopped because a wheelchair was
- 16:28Speaker 1: where a wheelchair should not be. Jerry Stroud did not
- 16:32Speaker 1: call the police the night he pushed that chair into
- 16:34Speaker 1: the water. He would say later that he was not
- 16:37Speaker 1: yet sure he could trust his own judgment. That is
- 16:40Speaker 1: what eighteen months of systematic erosion looks like from the inside.
- 16:45Speaker 1: Whitfield was arrested twelve days after Raymond Jones found the wheelchair.
- 16:49Speaker 1: The charges came quickly once investigators had the Router trace
- 16:54Speaker 1: and the falsified medical order number nine counts in total
- 16:59Speaker 1: financial exploits, dictation of a vulnerable adult, fraud, and identity theft,
- 17:04Speaker 1: three of each. He pleaded not guilty. The trial moved
- 17:08Speaker 1: to the question of intent. That is where doctor Karen
- 17:11Speaker 1: Alvey took the stand. A forensic psychologist, she testified for
- 17:16Speaker 1: forty minutes about how isolation, redirection of trust, and gradual
- 17:20Speaker 1: cognitive load can erode a person's ability to evaluate their
- 17:24Speaker 1: own decisions. She did not use the word manipulation as
- 17:28Speaker 1: a casual term. She described it as a methodology. The
- 17:32Speaker 1: jury listened for six hours before returning verdicts on all
- 17:36Speaker 1: nine counts guilty everyone. The judge sentenced James Whitfield to
- 17:42Speaker 1: fourteen years. His attorneys filed an appeal in twenty twenty one.
- 17:47Speaker 1: The central argument was that the Router evidence had been
- 17:49Speaker 1: obtained improperly and should have been excluded. The court examined
- 17:53Speaker 1: the argument and rejected it. The conviction stood. Two years later,
- 17:58Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, a parole review board considered early release.
- 18:04Speaker 1: They denied it. That same year, Whitfield sat down with
- 18:07Speaker 1: a penitentiary counselor named Ben Okafor. What he said in
- 18:11Speaker 1: that session has since become part of the record. He
- 18:14Speaker 1: told okafor that he had identified Jerry Stroud as a
- 18:17Speaker 1: target within two weeks of moving onto Sycamore Terrace. He
- 18:21Speaker 1: described the arrangement as low friction. He expressed no remorse.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Two weeks. That is how long it took him to
- 18:29Speaker 1: see a grieving sixty one year old widower and decide
- 18:32Speaker 1: he was the right person to take a part. On
- 18:35Speaker 1: the civil side, Jerry recovered the majority of his assets
- 18:39Speaker 1: through litigation and a separate settlement reached with Sandra Pryor,
- 18:43Speaker 1: the registered agent for Lakeview Capital partners. The two hundred
- 18:47Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars that had moved through that LLC did
- 18:51Speaker 1: not all come back, but most of it did. What
- 18:55Speaker 1: the civil process could not restore was something harder to quantify.
- 18:59Speaker 1: Jerry Mary had spent eighteen months questioning his own memory,
- 19:03Speaker 1: his own preferences, his own sense of what was reasonable.
- 19:06Speaker 1: He had watched a man systematically replace his judgment with
- 19:09Speaker 1: aversion Whitfield had built from scratch. That kind of damage
- 19:13Speaker 1: does not appear on a financial statement. Jerry Stroud began
- 19:17Speaker 1: seeing a therapist named Louise Grady shortly after the trial,
- 19:21Speaker 1: eight months of weekly sessions. He also resumed his bi
- 19:25Speaker 1: weekly trips to Columbus to visit his son Patrick. Those
- 19:29Speaker 1: visits had slowed during the years Whitfield was in his life,
- 19:33Speaker 1: they started again. The wheel chair was photographed, logged into
- 19:37Speaker 1: evidence and discarded. That image. A chrome frame standing upright
- 19:42Speaker 1: in the shallow end of a back yard pool, cushion
- 19:45Speaker 1: dry catching the morning light is where this story begins
- 19:49Speaker 1: and ends, not because it is dramatic, because of what
- 19:52Speaker 1: it represents. Whitfield had ordered that chair from his own router,
- 19:57Speaker 1: using a falsified medical order in a man's name for
- 20:01Speaker 1: a condition that man did not have. He had told
- 20:04Speaker 1: people in the neighborhood that Jerry's balance was failing. He
- 20:08Speaker 1: had been building the story of a man who needed
- 20:10Speaker 1: to be managed. The chair was not the crime. It
- 20:13Speaker 1: was the blueprint for what came next. Jerry Stroud pushed
- 20:17Speaker 1: it into the water the night he found it. He
- 20:20Speaker 1: did not call the police, he said later he was
- 20:22Speaker 1: not yet sure he could trust his own judgment. That
- 20:26Speaker 1: sentence carries everything. This case is actually about, not the money,
- 20:30Speaker 1: not the legal machinery that eventually caught up with Whitfield.
- 20:34Speaker 1: The moment a man stood at the edge of his
- 20:36Speaker 1: own pool, looked at a chair some one else had
- 20:39Speaker 1: ordered in his name, and could not decide whether his
- 20:42Speaker 1: instincts were reliable. That is what systematic erosion looks like
- 20:46Speaker 1: from the inside. Not confusion about a stranger, confusion about yourself.
- 20:52Speaker 1: There is a question that does not have a clean answer.
- 20:55Speaker 1: How many people in Jerry Stroud's position never get a
- 20:58Speaker 1: Raymond Jones? How many never get that fourth Thursday, that
- 21:02Speaker 1: eleven year route, that one moment when someone whose job
- 21:06Speaker 1: is simply to read a number stops and looks at
- 21:09Speaker 1: something wrong. The systems designed to catch financial exploitation of
- 21:13Speaker 1: older adults are underfunded and reactive. They catch cases after
- 21:18Speaker 1: the money has moved. Raymond Jones caught this one before
- 21:22Speaker 1: the blueprint was finished. Jerry Stroud knows that. He said
- 21:26Speaker 1: as much to Brian Chambers, the victim advocate who worked
- 21:29Speaker 1: his case. He was not grateful in the abstract. He
- 21:33Speaker 1: was specific a stranger on a regular route. That was
- 21:37Speaker 1: the margin. He is sixty one years old. His wife, Connie,
- 21:41Speaker 1: died in two thousand fifteen. He retired after a long
- 21:44Speaker 1: career and expected the next chapter to be quiet. It
- 21:48Speaker 1: almost wasn't. James Whitfield called it low friction. Jerry Stroud
- 21:53Speaker 1: called it a friendship. Only one of them was telling
- 21:56Speaker 1: the truth. This show is made by Oboe Media.