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The Great Muppet Fandom Panel - Fall, 2022 Edition · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Many years ago, tough pigs.com be got a great tradition of
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  arguing about the Muppets on the internet now.
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  Tough pigs has assembled a team of Muppet experts from all over
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  the world for a summit on the state of the Muppets.
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  This is a great Hello and welcome to the fall
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  2022. Hello friends.
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  Thank you. Hello.
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  And welcome to the fall 2022, edition of the great Muppet
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  fandom panel from tough pigs.com.
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  This is a panel discussion show during which you'll hear
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  highlights from the Henson headlines, discussed by a panel
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  of the internet. Stop Muppet experts.
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  It's sort of like we're doing a quarterly report on Jim,
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  Henson's characters and Legacy, except we're not judging
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  anything by how profitable it is.
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  We can only judge quality. And even then, who are we to
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  judge, we can't do that. This is nothing like a quarterly
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  report. How dare you say that?
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  It's just a big picture, overview of what's going on with
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  the Muppets explained. Baited by a panel that changes
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  from episode to episode. Each of our panelists has
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  broader discussion question for us and I prepared one as well.
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  These could be about anything related to Jim Henson to The
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  Muppets, but our main topics will be the Muppets at d23
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  Sesame Street, the musical and Craig Simmons, new book about
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  salmon, friends, appropriately called salmon friends.
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  Let's introduce the panelists from the tough pics.com team,
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  he's the one and only genuine, nobody back guaranteed chain
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  Keating. Just like that, guy said, I
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  don't know his name, but he seems well, next, I just stole
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  her title as the newest member of the tough.
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  Big steam, good grief, the comedian's up, Beth cook.
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  Hey, happy to be here and to pigs co-owner that most popular,
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  and appealing platter of Ryan row.
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  Yep. Hi Ryan.
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  He was correct when he said that, that was my name and I'm
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  JD Hansel. Thank you Beth.
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  As I just mentioned, you're relatively new to tough pigs,
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  but it feels like you've already become such a big part of what
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  tough pigs does. Can you tell us what
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  experiences, you've had since joining that stand out as
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  highlights to you and are you able to talk about what's coming
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  up in 2023 without giving too much away?
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  Well, first, thank you so much. That's so flattering.
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  Honestly, the coolest parts. So far was, when I got to hang
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  out with Joe and Julia in person.
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  Joe and his wife were taking a road trip.
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  And when they swung through Portland, we went out to brunch
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  together. And there was surprisingly
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  little Muppet talk, but there was a lot of talk about TV in
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  general and media analysis and it was fantastic.
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  Yeah, absolutely connecting. NG with all of the other tough
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  pigs spokes on a more professional level has been
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  fantastic. That's so weird.
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  Because tough fix people. Famously hate each other.
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  Can't stand talking to each other.
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  You never would dare speak to one another.
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  There's not a word yet for old friends.
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  Who can't stand each other Ryan on moving right along?
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  You talk about Muppet movies, two minutes at a time, which two
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  minutes of Muppets in a movie are the best two minutes.
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  Who. I mean, I could actually, I
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  could probably narrow it down to Something in the great Muppet.
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  Caper if I really looked at that our list of two-minute Clips
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  because that's my favorite Muppet movie.
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  And there are scenes and that that I just considered to be
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  like such such such a distillation of what the Muppets
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  do. So something in the great
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  Muppet. Caper Ryan, are you telling me
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  that you're a caper boy? Yes, I believe you coined that
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  phrase. Phrase when you ever guest on
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  our podcast recently and yeah I did I'm a capable boy.
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  I'm sticking with it and I'm forcing it upon people whether
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  they like it or not. Hey Shane what's the most Muppet
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  ational shot you've ever tweeted from the one Muppet ational shot
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  account? Oh, that's a good question.
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  Gonzo with his nose. Stuck in the elevator from the
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  great Muppet. Caper baby.
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  Oh, you're capable way too, right?
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  I'm a keeper, man. Oh, oh, oh well, excuse us.
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  Excuse us. It is now, time for the great
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  Muppet. Question panelists, are you
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  ready? Yes, baby.
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  Wait, this episode's. Great Muppet question is what
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  stories and secrets from Muppet history?
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  Do you hope you'll learn more about in the next books by
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  Craig? Hammond, you know, I would like
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  to learn who this, Jim Henson guy is because he, I don't know
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  if you've read this news book, salmon friends, a story of Jim
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  Henson's first television show. Whoo.
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  But this Jim Henson guy. He's on the cover, his name is
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  all in like almost every page of this thing, right?
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  But like I still don't get who this guy is.
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  What did he do? What was his purpose?
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  I don't have a good understanding of who he is, and
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  I hope Craig can elaborate on that, in future installments.
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  I think it's one of those stories that assumes you're
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  going to know why the main character is so important
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  without feeling that they actually have to delve into who
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  they are as a person, or what they did with their lives.
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  It's a very frustrating thing. Exactly.
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  It's like Spider-Man 3 assumed, I saw Spider-Man 1 & 2.
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  Yeah. And Jim Henson, just figures out
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  how to do all these things on his own like, Jim Henson is such
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  a Mary Sue and that book, I don't even know what to say to
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  that. Ryan?
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  What stories and secrets? A muppet history do you?
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  Hope will learn more about in the next books by Craig shamon?
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  Yeah you know there's a lot of information out there.
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  The salmon Friends book, I think is like 600 Pages.
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  It has so much information about the early phase of Jim Henson's
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  career. You know we've heard another
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  books and things about Jim Henson's life and had the
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  careers and lives of his collaborators.
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  But you know what we really haven't heard anything about is
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  how Jim Henson and his collaborators decorated their
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  bathrooms like what what color were gems show?
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  Shower curtains did did Jerry juhl have little decorative
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  soaps next to his sink? What color were done?
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  Celine's hand towels. Did did Frank Oz ever have those
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  little adhesive slip resistant flowers that you stick to the
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  bottom of your bathtub? These are the things that we
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  have always wanted to know but we still don't know.
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  No one is telling the story that they're it hasn't been in a
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  museum exhibition. It hasn't been in a documentary
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  nothing. So really what I want is is like
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  a nine Hundred page book all about the Muppet people and
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  their bathrooms and it should probably come with a download
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  code for like some kind of VR app where you can get a virtual
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  tour of all of their bathrooms and then maybe also just an
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  animal toothbrush because I had one when I was a kid and it was
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  cool and I liked it, I want another one.
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  I agree. Jim Henson's linoleum tiles
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  should be hanging up in the Museum of the moving image.
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  Yeah, yeah. We're style La linoleum Beth.
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  So unlike every other woman in her 30s, apparently I'm really
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  not a fan of True Crime. But here's what I need, I need a
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  true-crime documentary about whoever Designed greenlit and
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  created the specific style of human puppets used in the ghost
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  of Fastener Hall and Jim Henson's Mother Goose stories.
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  These unnerving creatures from Hell have Wreaked havoc on our
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  psyches for decades now and I need to know who are these
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  people that brought these monstrosities to life, and are
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  they currently being held accountable for their crimes?
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  Wow, I want to sing a documentary or like a
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  dramatization. We're very dramatic music plays
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  while you see one of the puppet Workshop people and slow motion
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  sculpting one of these heads definitely both.
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  So like the the documentary style with you know,
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  interspersed little reenactments reenactment Yeah.
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  Yeah, I like it. Well, then back can be only
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  buffets in the building perfect. We'll get Steve Martin back on
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  board, sure. But then tough pigs does
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  actually have to do the True Crime podcast.
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  No no no don't don't, don't worry about that.
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  Part topics doesn't have to handle that.
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  The Muppet mindset has that come?
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  Oh, okay. All right, we're going.
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  Okay, Mabel. I'm I've been assured that they
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  will handle all of that aspect. Yeah, I actually only agreed to
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  join tough pigs on the condition that we didn't have.
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  Handle anything that had to do with ghosts.
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  After Hall that was all on them, up in mindset, it's in your
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  contract, absolutely Beth. Is it not in your contract?
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  You got a contract, never mind, never mind you.
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  There's everyone loves Twizzlers.
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  I got a per diem. I think we did review like four
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  episodes of after Holland. We were considering reviewing
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  all of them and then we realize that nobody really wanted to
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  watch them all and nobody wanted to read about them.
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  Also, I'm sorry we doing exactly that.
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  It's true. You and I did ours together
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  Ryan. Yes yes exactly.
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  We did not enjoy it. No Beth.
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  How far are you into that show? I have gone through episode
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  three so far once you get used to it is not as horrifying as I
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  might have. Thought I think honestly, it's a
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  wasted. Opportunity, because the concept
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  is great. And I love that.
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  It's an entire show just dedicated to music and what it
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  is and how it works and how you make it, and who can make it.
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  The funniest moment was when I was I always have the captions
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  on and in my first watch of episode 1.
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  I was like, okay, this is the opening song.
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  These are the lyrics to that opening song.
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  Episode two different lyrics, huh?
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  It didn't have anything about like squelching in there.
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  I don't know what you heard, she wasn't watching, stranger
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  things. What you heard was exactly the
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  same, but it was very clear that in episode 1, those lyrics were
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  transcribed by a human being and an episode to those lyrics were
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  transcribed by an AI. So did it get the lyrics totally
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  wrong. Not totally wrong.
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  But every once in a while you'd get a line that was just not a
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  thing that anyone would ever say Yeah, that's always fun.
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  Have you seen the inner tube pilot that eventually led to the
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  Jim Henson? Our, who not yet.
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  I'm also re-watch any demands an hour, okay?
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  Because that's probably the peak of those really weird-looking,
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  sculpted, Muppet heads, because those are very unsettling, those
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  characters are not, I don't think it helps that the only
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  copy of that that's out. There is so like, Poor quality.
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  He has like a copy of a copy. That was leaked from somewhere.
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  Yeah. So I mean best way to see those
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  puppets. If the characters are blurred
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  and pixelated out. Isn't that a mercy?
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  I think that might be kind of. Yeah, maybe it would be worse if
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  we could see them more clearly. No, I want.
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  I want glitch in 1080P full glitches fine because he's just
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  like a fuzzy green. Computer graphic.
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  I want Crasher in 1080P. Yikes.
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  Thanks for playing along. Our real great Muppet question
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  is this should the Muppet company's focus more on,
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  special, in-person events. Like, what they've been doing
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  lately or dedicate their time to Productions?
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  That are more accessible to folks who can't travel to these
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  events. I'm not asking this question
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  with any bias as someone who wasn't able to go to the things
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  were discussing is that a slam at me because I appear to be the
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  only one who went to end. Well, I didn't go to d23 but I'm
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  the one who went to the other ones.
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  It's not a slam, but it is a nudge.
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  So, I am a person who until recently lived in New York City,
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  where a lot of these in person events happen and then I moved
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  away from New York city. So now, I am not.
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  We're all of these in-person events happen and I like I
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  really do miss it because I normally I was like I used to
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  live in Queens. I was seven subway stops away
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  from the Museum of the moving image.
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  So I could get to these things so easily.
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  And now I would have to book a flight on a plane and go to the
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  airport and get on a plane etc etc.
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  But also at the height of the pandemic, when we were all in
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  lockdown, there were a lot of these online virtual events
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  either things that were like live on zoom.
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  And anybody could come in and watch or things that were
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  recorded and streamed later. So I think it would be Good.
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  If there was something kind of in between the two, I understand
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  why they are not streaming an event live from the Museum of
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  the moving image because they want people to come and buy
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  tickets, but I also think it would be great if they would
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  record that and then stream it later.
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  I would even pay to watch that stream at a later date.
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  It could be up temporarily, it could be a permanently whatever.
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  But yeah, I think that would be A compromise.
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  Yeah. Now what kind of events are you
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  pissed? Are you specifically referring
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  to for this topic? Oh, that's a good question.
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  Got a peek behind the curtain. He has a list that we can see.
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  So something like that, Museum of the moving image event about
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  the new, Craig Shemin book. That is sort of somewhat of a
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  different animal than say, Sesame Street.
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  The musical or the d23 Christmas, carol thing that they
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  did, True. It's the Muppets probably do
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  need to keep appearing in these places where characters are
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  expected to appear. I think that we would all be
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  annoyed if the Muppets didn't have enough Presence at d23 and
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  in some respects, they didn't, we'll get to that.
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  Well, and we have been annoyed in past years when they haven't
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  been at d23. And, of course you want some
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  Muppet Presence at Comic-Con, and in theory, you want.
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  Up. It's on a stage in some way.
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  We'll talk about whether or not this is the way in which we
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  wanted it but also when a new book is coming out, I think I
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  agree with Ryan that that is the kind of thing where it's like
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  it's very neat to see that in person and it's really cool that
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  there are events like these that can bring a lot of Muppet fans
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  together in person. But I also really want to have
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  access to some online version of this thing.
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  Yeah. And there are occasionally Lee
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  like there's the traveling Jim Henson Museum exhibition, where
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  sometimes they'll have events in the cities where that travels to
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  but I guess they can always say they probably know for sure that
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  people will always come and buy enough tickets to an event in
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  New York City or Los Angeles. Maybe there's less of a
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  guarantee that people are going to show up in large crowds in I
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  don't know. A Colorado or wherever, right?
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  So all your beads 2010. Her in case.
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  Diane, I love Denver. Yeah, no temper is great.
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  But it's, I have a feeling it's probably not on the radar of the
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  Muppet people or the Sesame people are then some people for
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  Live Events. So I don't know, but it would
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  still be nice. If every once in a while they
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  would do a screening or a panel or something in another major
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  city somewhere other than New York or LA.
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  It's so weird that they don't go to Denver since they did a whole
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  album and two specials about Denver.
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  Oh yeah, they could take a Rocky Mountain holiday.
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  Are the Rocky Mountains in Denver, Colorado?
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  They're a bunch of places. I think that every time there is
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  one of these big Muppet events. I see a lot of folks, online
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  who's responses? Ah, I'll never get to go there.
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  They never come to me but you also want them to be Able to
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  come to someone somewhere because they are puppets, and
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  those are really neat thing to experience in person.
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  Oh yeah, even watching an event streaming on the internet, is
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  not the same as seeing a puppet, but I mean, especially a muppet
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  live in the room in front of you.
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  I since since I feel like my question has been thoroughly
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  dismantled. I am going to start steering
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  this discussion towards Muppet news now, but before I do know,
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  thank you for That that's fine. Chaos is appropriate on a muppet
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  podcast before I do that. I'd like to remind everyone at
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  home that were not covering all the Muppet news on this show.
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  This isn't a weekly updates show so if you're looking for that
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  listen to another podcast. However, if you'd like to stay
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  up-to-date on everything happening in the Muppet world,
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  as it's happening, make sure you're following tough pics.com
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  on Twitter, Facebook, and wherever social networks are
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  sold. I can't believe that we're not
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  talking about that big huge announcement that happened after
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  we recorded this episode. But before it got posted How can
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  we know the thing is? I'm sure that that will happen.
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  Yes, and that's a very stressful thing.
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  I cannot believe that Miss Piggy.
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  Did that on The Masked Singer. Wow.
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  Yeah. That thing slack-jawed.
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  I was, yeah. Yeah, and I think I heard that,
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  that Jenny McCarthy is gonna sue her for that.
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  So, I wouldn't I would not blame her.
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  Yeah, sorry, that was actually, Ali.
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  What I was going to say about that topic is that kind of
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  middling ground between the Muppets doing things that have
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  like digital access for everyone and the Muppets doing in-person
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  events, that only a few people can attend is this?
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  I get that the Muppets have to remain relevant and, you know,
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  appear on current shows whether you're expecting or not.
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  It's great. If it's just like, oh my gosh,
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  there's a muppet on the great, bitter spanking show or whatever
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  it is. Oh my God, that would be
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  amazing. Okay, I'm crossing my fingers
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  for that anyway. I haven't seen a lot of is
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  making really good choices in which shows those are based on
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  who on the show is gonna. Interact with the Muppets.
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  Because just because the show is popular, doesn't mean it works.
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  Well, with Muppet interactions, like, you can tell when the host
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  is, you know, smoother than engaging when they're talking to
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  the regular audience and then all of a sudden they're talking
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  to a muppet and it's awkward and weird and feels We know what
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  scripted, but it feels scripted. Yeah, it's okay Beth.
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  You can say, holy moly, you know what you're talking about.
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  Thank you. I had forgot.
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  You don't have to hide it. You're not gonna know.
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  I think it's not. Sometimes it's the writing
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  though, right? Because that all those holy moly
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  B were scripted right, eye. If they were, they said that
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  seems like they were. That's good.
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  Well, yeah, dramatically changing topics on September
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  24th, Jim Henson's birthday. The Long awaited book, salmon
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  friends, the story of Jim Henson's first television show,
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  by Craig Chemin was finally released.
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  Now to be clear, it was not, it was not that this was the story
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  of Jim Henson's first television show, by Craig Shemin.
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  This is the, the book is never mind.
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  If you've had time to start looking through it, what do you
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  all think about this book? Have you learned anything that's
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  changed? How you think about the history
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  of Jim Henson and the Muppets? The meaning of Jim Henson in The
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  Muppets or just anything interesting.
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  I haven't My hands on the book yet, I read through Anthony's
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  book review, which was great. And yeah, I love that.
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  We get to hear more from Jim's wife, as usually referred to
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  Jane and how much she really had to do with the show, which I
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  didn't know, I knew that she was involved with it.
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  I knew that she was his Co Puppeteer, but I didn't realize
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  how much she was involved and how much she contributed and
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  that's Great. Yeah, her role has been
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  downplayed in a lot of the history.
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  You know, the retellings of the Muppets wear that like that, the
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  salmon friends era kind of gets glossed over is like Jim Henson
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  had a TV show in Washington DC and it kind of you don't really
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  hear a lot about Jane Hansen, so that is a really good thing
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  about the book. Well, I just like to learning
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  all of these sort of, like, the way that they put the show
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  together and like, yeah, It's about it like that.
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  I don't want to give too much away, but you know, the moment,
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  you know, you hear all about the monitor system that Jim sort of
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  developed during that show, but when they were doing the early
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  Wilkins, coffee commercials, but they were shooting that on film,
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  and the technology didn't exist yet for the film camera to go to
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  an external monitor. So they had to put up a giant
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  mirror under the camera so they could get like an approximation
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  of what this child look like. And like, you never.
• 22:34
  Father, that until reading this book.
• 22:36
  It's amazing that there's we know so much about Jim Henson.
• 22:42
  We have learned so much about Jim Henson and then this book
• 22:45
  comes along that is about 600 pages and it's so much stuff
• 22:48
  that we've never heard before. And I think Al there's a lot of
• 22:53
  overlap between Muppet nerds and people who are just general
• 22:58
  nerds for how entertainment is made, and there's so much stuff
• 23:02
  about it. It says, I think I've maybe said
• 23:05
  this on social media or elsewhere, but it's as much a
• 23:09
  history of how people figured out how to make TV in the early
• 23:15
  days as it is a history of the first Muppet production.
• 23:19
  So like the stuff about their they're in a hotel Auditorium on
• 23:23
  a stage and just they have one camera and they're Wheeling it
• 23:27
  around to different spots on the stage for every show that they
• 23:30
  have like I love that stuff. That's not even specific to The
• 23:33
  Muppets. To see that stuff up.
• 23:36
  So question about that almost 600 pages, is it mostly that
• 23:41
  kind of cool information or is it mostly pretty glossy photos
• 23:46
  or is it a good balance of the two bear?
• 23:50
  Bear? Are they say 150 photos?
• 23:53
  They are very spread out, especially in the second half of
• 23:58
  the book, which is the episode guide because there are only so
• 24:01
  many photos that they can like pinpoint too.
• 24:06
  Specific episodes of that era play the photos.
• 24:09
  They do have are really, really good.
• 24:12
  Can the episode guide is another?
• 24:13
  That's the kind of thing. We never thought we would get
• 24:15
  like yeah. All this stuff that was pretty
• 24:18
  much lost until Craig started. Researching the book from what I
• 24:21
  understand and add to your point before you know Muppet nerds and
• 24:26
  TV. Nerds, this is also white for
• 24:28
  music nerds because it's just like a big list of all these
• 24:33
  songs. Yeah.
• 24:34
  And like novelty track. Acts from the 50s and 60s, like
• 24:38
  they did Alvin and the Chipmunks songs on salmon, friends, who
• 24:42
  would have thought, Shane? Did you see anything exciting at
• 24:46
  the big release event for this book at the Museum of the moving
• 24:49
  image on? Henson day?
• 24:51
  Yes, I was there as was Johannes and various other Matthews,
• 24:55
  Doberman, and other luminaries from the Muppet fan World
• 24:58
  disrespect to everyone, you forgot to mention, wow, it
• 25:04
  really looking on on Twitter. And stuff.
• 25:06
  Like, it seems like a lot of people wear their, I think it
• 25:09
  was every once a very exciting new thing that's coming out.
• 25:15
  And then I think also because there was like at least a year
• 25:18
  when the Museum of the moving image was essentially closed.
• 25:22
  That is seems like yeah, the first really big event that
• 25:25
  they've had their was like at least 100 people like yeah,
• 25:29
  somehow word got out about this one.
• 25:31
  Like because I people from from other states were coming to New
• 25:35
  York Like just like, like planning trips just to go to
• 25:38
  this event. I thought, Bob McGrath was
• 25:41
  there, he was there exciting? Yes, I was somehow, I was one of
• 25:46
  three people who was there with a Kermit, the gorf T-shirt
• 25:49
  somehow, which is highly improbable.
• 25:54
  Well, none of that. Kind of event though, we did get
• 25:57
  to see the world premiere quote-unquote of the long-lost.
• 26:02
  Salmon Friends episode, that's what I was going to ask about.
• 26:04
  That was touted. Hand and it was not something
• 26:08
  you would have expected because it was an animated episode 0.
• 26:11
  So there was no puppets in it at all.
• 26:14
  It was a spoken word like jadus track called Miss cone.
• 26:17
  And it's about this guy sort of describing his love for a woman
• 26:22
  Miss cone and it's all done. And with these cut out shapes,
• 26:26
  it's gonna be like, if you seen any other like, Jim Henson like
• 26:28
  stop motion animation. It's kind of like that lately.
• 26:32
  Really Sesame Street animations? The, yeah, with the, yeah, with
• 26:35
  Like the paint and everything. Right.
• 26:37
  And like, moving cut out shapes. It was like that and I thought
• 26:41
  it was adorable, and I'm so glad that they found it.
• 26:44
  Do you think they were people? When that episode aired who were
• 26:46
  like, what do they do? Like, what is Jim Henson's deal
• 26:50
  with? He should stick to puppets.
• 26:51
  Why is he doing this animation? I think that's in the like that
• 26:55
  the way that they found it was that it got brought up in a
• 26:58
  newspaper. Oh, that's fine.
• 27:00
  After it aired. Yeah, I think they had the film
• 27:03
  and they like new of it. But they didn't realize that it
• 27:07
  was a salmon, friends thing until Craig was researching the
• 27:09
  book and found that newspaper listing, huh?
• 27:12
  There was also a panel for the book.
• 27:15
  Yeah, very, very small panel, it was deputy director, I think is
• 27:19
  her title right now, Barbara Miller, who you might recognize
• 27:22
  from the prop culture, episode on The Muppet Movie.
• 27:26
  She was in, that was so great. Was she just talked after they
• 27:32
  did a compilation of like all the surviving salmon friends
• 27:35
  clips? In between they had like some
• 27:38
  Wilkins coffee ads and it was all in high definition, it
• 27:41
  looked wonderful. And after all that Barbara
• 27:44
  Miller talked with Craig, about the book, they presented Emily.
• 27:48
  Is it Emily angle? Yes, that's the okay.
• 27:52
  I pronounce it right. She made a custom Sam doll that
• 27:55
  they prominently put on stage and it looked adorable.
• 27:58
  Yeah. And basically, the first time
• 28:00
  that's that, that character has ever looked adorable because
• 28:03
  that that puppet is not. Not cute in the traditional
• 28:07
  Muppet way. Oh he's not.
• 28:09
  But would is not cute and I will put that on the record
• 28:13
  Pinocchio. You are not cute, you, okay
• 28:16
  good. But in comparison to latex
• 28:20
  characters in say ghosts of Hafner Hall, I think maybe they
• 28:25
  might as well be 100. Wow, hot would takes coming from
• 28:30
  Shane tonight, who would? When who would win a beauty
• 28:34
  contest between Sam? Sam.
• 28:36
  And Farkas Fastener Sam Sam. Okay?
• 28:40
  Then It's no contest. There was also a panel for the
• 28:45
  book at Comic-Con featuring Craig Chemin along with Henson
• 28:49
  archivist. Susie tofty, Puppeteer Ryan,
• 28:51
  Dillon puppet Builder, Raleigh crewson Muppet fan artist, Dave
• 28:54
  Halton, and some guy named Joe. Can you all tell me what
• 28:58
  happened at this panel? I think I read that Craig.
• 29:02
  Chemin, put Joe and a headlock. Hmm, I'd say that was the big
• 29:06
  highlight. Yeah.
• 29:08
  But he deserved it because of what he did to those puppets.
• 29:11
  It's true. That we are unable to talk about
• 29:16
  that panel at this time due to a scheduling conflict that
• 29:19
  scheduling conflict is that's in the future at the time of this
• 29:22
  recording. However, I should at least
• 29:28
  address that Comic-Con also has a Muppets Mayhem panel of Sesame
• 29:32
  Street. The musical panel, we're all
• 29:34
  very happy to see lots of good Muppet.
• 29:37
  Representation at Comic-Con, there are many things, so many
• 29:40
  years, when there's been nothing at all, uppity, at New York
• 29:44
  Comic Con. So the yeah, having more than
• 29:46
  one, is that? It's a miracle.
• 29:49
  It's great. It's that like, I feels like
• 29:51
  everybody's represented the, The Henson people, the Muppet
• 29:55
  people, the Sesame people. Yeah.
• 29:57
  All at the same event, the same same kind, it's wonderful.
• 30:01
  It's going to use my psychic powers to look into the future
• 30:05
  and see that the salmon friends event went really well.
• 30:09
  That was the, the panel of the entire convention.
• 30:12
  Everyone was talking about it, absolutely.
• 30:15
  One of the things we look for at these sorts of events is things,
• 30:18
  you can buy with Muppets on them, which are sometimes easier
• 30:22
  to find it cons than in other places sometimes, Maybe.
• 30:26
  I don't know, at least when there are Muppet fan artist
• 30:28
  there, two of you brought questions, related to Muppet
• 30:32
  merch for your discussion questions.
• 30:34
  And I'd like to shift to that topic.
• 30:36
  Right now, I'm going to have Shane go first and then before
• 30:43
  we get too far and answering Shane's question.
• 30:46
  That's question, is actually relevant to contextualizing
• 30:49
  chains, question in a way. So one right after another,
• 30:52
  starting with chain what discussion question have you
• 30:54
  brought for us? Well, you used so many big
• 30:57
  words, right? Then I I know and comprehended
• 31:01
  you I know I'm rambling. I'm sorry, I'll read it.
• 31:04
  Come the script. Exactly what is a shame?
• 31:09
  Okay, so well my question is what is a piece of Muppet
• 31:13
  merchandise that does not exist that you think should exist?
• 31:18
  And I don't, I'm excluding things like, oh, Musicians of
• 31:22
  Bremen should be on Blu-ray. Nothing, nothing like home
• 31:24
  video. What?
• 31:26
  What is a next? Another kind of piece of
• 31:28
  merchandise that doesn't exist that you think should exist.
• 31:31
  Well, I have an answer which is kind of cheating because we just
• 31:33
  talked about this and moving right along, but the first thing
• 31:36
  that comes to mind is inspired by Muppet Christmas Carol, there
• 31:40
  should be an officially licensed Statler.
• 31:44
  As Jacob Marley door knocker, that actually works as a door
• 31:49
  knocker. Apparently, somebody on Etsy is
• 31:52
  has made some that look really good.
• 31:53
  Like they look exactly like Statler as as Jacob Marley as a
• 31:57
  door knocker but they do not actually work as door knockers.
• 32:00
  So they should make a real one that you can put on your front
• 32:04
  door and hopefully nobody will seal it.
• 32:07
  Well or at least. Have you seen those, you know,
• 32:12
  the door knockers and Labyrinth? Yeah.
• 32:15
  Yeah they became earrings with the little o rings.
• 32:20
  Oh that's so at the very least you could do that with Jacob
• 32:23
  Marley. Yeah, well we'll have whale it.
• 32:26
  You or is it just a functional door down?
• 32:32
  Yeah. It how much more could it
• 32:33
  possibly cost to make a Jacob Marley door knocker, that goes
• 32:37
  loose. Oh yeah, they should do that.
• 32:40
  Good. Well he says screwed.
• 32:43
  So maybe you would have to record your own so that it says
• 32:45
  your voice in a creepy tone when someone brings for you could
• 32:48
  wear it to your ring, doorbell camera.
• 32:51
  So you can see who's approaching To ring your doorbell or knock
• 32:56
  on your door and then you can see their name perfectly or
• 33:00
  Peter Lynn's, has to record every single game on the planet
• 33:04
  Earth. Yeah, so that it can say do it.
• 33:10
  There was like there was a talking Elmo doll that said
• 33:12
  everybody's name, right? So there's a precedent.
• 33:15
  I think they need to merchandize what we don't see which is on
• 33:19
  the opposite side of the door. Is the Waldorf knocker.
• 33:23
  Yeah, poor Although if he didn't get to be a door knocker, and
• 33:26
  this is the kind of thing that merge can fix.
• 33:29
  Yeah, I was thinking that he could be the door handle because
• 33:33
  his face is a little rounder. Yes.
• 33:36
  And then you could just grab it when you're feeling angry.
• 33:38
  Have a mean? Haven't we all wanted to grab
• 33:41
  waldorf's face your time to time?
• 33:43
  I mean he does have a salad salad tongs Waldorf salad,
• 33:48
  tongs. Yeah, Statler, and Waldorf salad
• 33:51
  tongs where one side is Statler and one side as well.
• 33:54
  Perfect. Disney.
• 33:55
  Are you listening? All right, they're not
• 33:57
  listening. Since you mentioned the
• 34:00
  Labyrinth door knockers has everyone seen the T-shirt?
• 34:03
  Oh, I've seen there's a million t-shirts, be more specific.
• 34:06
  Everybody in my t-shirts, the t-shirts that are officially
• 34:11
  licensed merchandise that are the door knockers from
• 34:15
  Labyrinth. Placed on the t-shirts.
• 34:18
  It's a knockers t-shirt. It's I right?
• 34:22
  It's this is the thing that officially Licensed.
• 34:24
  It's a thing that really exists. I'm pretty darn sure.
• 34:27
  It's officially like so weird that they would use a labyrinth
• 34:30
  characters for a Young Frankenstein t-shirt.
• 34:32
  Right? Does it say anything or it's
• 34:36
  just images of the it's just images.
• 34:39
  You figure out the pun on your own.
• 34:41
  Yeah I know that with your intelligence.
• 34:43
  It's very surrender grow like what Yahoo and eventually.
• 34:52
  If you're smart enough eventually after Staring at the
• 34:54
  shirt long enough, you realize that it is, in fact, a joke.
• 34:57
  Well, and then you realize that you've been staring at a little
• 35:00
  too long stop staring at it. So.
• 35:04
  So speaking of shirts, my thing that should exist that there's
• 35:09
  not is Ernie and Bert sweaters. Yeah.
• 35:12
  Why are there? No officially licensed Bert and
• 35:15
  Ernie sweaters. Oh yeah seems so obvious like
• 35:20
  you can get sort of approximations on my Halloween
• 35:23
  costume. This but there's Is no, like
• 35:25
  like a sweater swap practical sweater, that looks like one
• 35:28
  that Ernie and Bert would wear. I mean, that is every gay,
• 35:33
  couples, Halloween costume goals right there, it would be make it
• 35:36
  so easy for them. Are you listening Sesame
• 35:39
  Workshop? Yeah, that feels like it could
• 35:42
  be within our grasp some day. It's the kind of thing like 20
• 35:46
  years ago, we would just sit around and go man.
• 35:48
  They should really make something like that, but it
• 35:50
  would never get made, you would have to, you would have to make
• 35:53
  your own at home. If And something like that.
• 35:55
  But I do think that companies I know I hate using words like IP
• 36:02
  and brand, but I think companies who own characters like this
• 36:06
  have more of an awareness now of how much people love the
• 36:11
  characters out and how much they love these little details and
• 36:14
  how much money they might be willing to pay to own things
• 36:19
  like Bert and Ernie's Waters. Yeah, Beth the discussion
• 36:25
  question. You brought is relevant to these
• 36:27
  things. Yeah.
• 36:29
  So I had I started with the similar question about, you know
• 36:32
  what do we want out of Muppet merchandise?
• 36:35
  And then of course, because I'm the fragonard.
• 36:38
  I was specifically thinking about the figurines that we've
• 36:46
  seen some images from boss, fight Studios coming out about.
• 36:51
  They're going to Of Gobo and red and I think flange doozer, one
• 37:00
  of these days may I jump in, please do.
• 37:05
  It's what I was reading said something about Red Gobo Uncle
• 37:12
  traveling, Matt and a doozer to pack my.
• 37:15
  But the merch that they've already released from this, so
• 37:19
  far, is just a flange, doozer, action figure.
• 37:24
  It doesn't just say character, it doesn't offend doozer, and if
• 37:27
  you look at it you go. Oh they used flanges the model.
• 37:30
  No it's specifically branded to this specific doozer which I I
• 37:37
  don't even know how to process that I'm very happy and Just for
• 37:41
  cotter pin. Yeah.
• 37:42
  I like think there are very there will probably be a lot of
• 37:45
  people though who who vaguely remember having fun memories of
• 37:51
  Fraggle Rock and they'll be like oh yeah flange doozer.
• 37:54
  That guy. Like they they want to just
• 37:57
  seemed like they remember Fraggle Rock him better than
• 38:00
  they actually do. I just feel like the way men
• 38:03
  would not know who flanged user is but they know Doozers like to
• 38:07
  work. Yeah.
• 38:08
  And flange is like hard. And we're sounding name so they
• 38:13
  would think oh how cute. His name is planche doozer.
• 38:18
  Something like that. Kind of, Yeah, the more specific
• 38:22
  question that I wanted to dive into with, I mean, Muppet
• 38:26
  merchandise in general, but specifically, Fraggle Rock.
• 38:30
  Is that a lot of the merchandising that gets made
• 38:34
  for, you know, fandoms is plastic figurines and t-shirts.
• 38:40
  Like those are two of the really big ones and plastic is not A
• 38:47
  sustainable product. And, you know, we hear a lot
• 38:50
  about fast fashion and I'm wondering if these kind of
• 38:53
  merchandise that we really want to spans is that antithetical to
• 39:00
  Not just fraggle rocks messages of environmentalism but you know
• 39:06
  all of the Henson stuff had that theme running through it.
• 39:11
  So, if they answer this question with that seeming, like a
• 39:14
  hypocrite racist, I don't know how to either.
• 39:21
  So maybe the answer is, they move away from physical products
• 39:25
  to digital products, like n ftes, which are great for the
• 39:28
  environment, right? No, I'm just crossing my fingers
• 39:37
  and hoping that the fact that we haven't heard anything else, Out
• 39:40
  the Labyrinth and Dark Crystal and ft since they were
• 39:44
  originally, announced means that they're not gonna happen.
• 39:48
  That's what I'm hoping. It's not better way home.
• 39:50
  Yeah, It's the I didn't think that most of the things, well,
• 39:55
  stuffed animals. Those are those environmentally
• 39:58
  friendly plus really not. It's almost always like nylon
• 40:03
  that's made out of plastic. Yeah.
• 40:06
  Wow. So we should just like all of
• 40:08
  our Muppet stuff should be made out of paper biodegradable.
• 40:14
  The mean it's not generally products, right?
• 40:20
  Exactly. So when you think about the, you
• 40:25
  know, the largest companies that are responsible for, you know,
• 40:29
  it's something like ten companies that are responsible
• 40:31
  for some huge percentage of CO2 emissions.
• 40:36
  I don't think. Merchandise manufacturers are
• 40:41
  one of those companies like I don't think it's One of the
• 40:44
  biggest contributors to the problem but that doesn't mean
• 40:48
  that it's necessarily a good thing.
• 40:53
  So I'm just wondering. Yeah.
• 40:54
  Is there potential for you know, more sustainable materials or
• 41:05
  You know, a fan made products, like I was searching on Etsy and
• 41:10
  you see a lot of merchandise from the 80s, but you don't see
• 41:16
  a lot of current like, fan-made art.
• 41:21
  I'll say this, my new favorite piece of Muppet merchandise is a
• 41:26
  magnet that I want on hubba-wha. That was made from paper and a
• 41:32
  magnet. And I think that's Half bad and
• 41:36
  I don't think Becca petunia is one of the biggest contributors
• 41:40
  to to climate change but I could be wrong.
• 41:44
  I don't know. She's got a lot of surprises up
• 41:47
  her sleeve mmm but yeah, no, those are fantastic because ours
• 41:51
  are unique. They're one-of-a-kind.
• 41:53
  Yeah, yeah they're like nft is about better.
• 41:57
  So there you go all you fans out there who want no more to you
• 42:00
  just got to come on Hubble one win.
• 42:02
  And when yeah we all have one, right?
• 42:04
  Yeah, all right. We really is this is this a
• 42:08
  winners only group. I think that that might be what
• 42:12
  a happy accident. All right, we're smart, no
• 42:15
  losers. Here I do.
• 42:18
  Like Shane's idea though of imaginary, mother merchandise,
• 42:21
  like that's Deck. There's all kinds of
• 42:22
  possibilities with that. Like, this is my imaginary
• 42:26
  action figure of Crasher, from inner tube.
• 42:30
  This is my imaginary full-body sweet.
• 42:35
  Outfit. Wow looks great thanks.
• 42:38
  I do think that a Marjorie the trash Heap merchandise that
• 42:44
  would be biodegradable, right? Who have to be if ya like an
• 42:47
  actual like compostable replica of Marjorie the trash heap, if
• 42:52
  we all get a Marjorie replica that's made of stuff from real
• 42:58
  trash heaps, like we're getting things out of landfills and Main
• 43:01
  into our own Marjorie, the trash heaps.
• 43:04
  And then that does that help me. I don't know if that helps
• 43:10
  sounds better. It sounds more to get things out
• 43:13
  of landfills. It sounds more feasible than
• 43:15
  shooting it all into space. True.
• 43:18
  Yes. And then adorable, it's, it can
• 43:22
  all be recycled into the stuff on your back if you need a junk
• 43:27
  lady costume. Perfect true.
• 43:30
  So and if you are at a loss for information, you can just Go to
• 43:35
  your own personal trash Heap, like a Magic 8 Ball and she'll
• 43:39
  give you the answers. There's also the possibility of
• 43:44
  turning that into your own miniature Grouchland.
• 43:49
  Wow, the possibilities for garbage are endless.
• 43:52
  Yeah, there's a lot of trash and muppet Productions.
• 43:54
  A lot of truth, but I was done talking about Elmo and
• 43:57
  Grouchland. But now that you mention it, I
• 43:59
  am absolutely convinced that the piles of trash that we see.
• 44:04
  In Elmo and Grouchland and in Labyrinth where the junk ladies
• 44:09
  lift, and in the episode of back to the rock, where we see boober
• 44:16
  go into the trash, those are all connected, right?
• 44:20
  This sounds like a tough pigs article in the anything it's
• 44:24
  been absolutely on my list of Articles through.
• 44:26
  Okay, great. And it can't be my Fraggle, Rock
• 44:29
  is already that everything is connected.
• 44:31
  So Bingo there's a you can bet everyone's trash Everyone is
• 44:35
  trash. Guess it's the it's the KD Lang
• 44:38
  garbage Universe. Oh yeah more trash.
• 44:41
  Wow gosh. Wow.
• 44:43
  Well done. Okay, don't get that one.
• 44:46
  Keep watching the Jim Henson our you will The Muppets have had a
• 44:49
  lot of say I was trying to come up with a joke like something
• 44:53
  about the Muppets making a lot of trash over the years.
• 45:00
  I think I do the new trash line can be introduced by Statler and
• 45:04
  Waldorf. Yeah.
• 45:06
  Oh wait, I just figured out. Yeah, the Muppets have made a
• 45:08
  lot of trash over the years like those appearances on holy moly,
• 45:11
  that he brought it back little late on that one.
• 45:16
  Wow, wow. We're going to take a short
• 45:18
  commercial break right now. Then we'll talk some more about
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  People working under very difficult circumstances to bring
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  you some. Facsimile of all your favorite
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  The first person not quite Ernie.
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  Not quite bird my Staples collection a freaky hybrid of
• 45:57
  Grover and Cookie Monster. Oh man.
• 46:00
  I'm so adorable. And the face of Rosita, deep
• 46:03
  faked on the golden globe-winning actor, James Mason
• 46:06
  Rosita but you know, if you like watching, talented, people
• 46:09
  working under tricky circumstances to bring you new
• 46:11
  and interesting ways to appreciate the Muppets.
• 46:13
  You don't have to go all the way to not quite Broadway.
• 46:16
  This is the tough Pig store. Auntie public for some not quite
• 46:19
  Muppet, merchandise, Muppet fans.
• 46:21
  Love are not quite The Monster. At the End of This Book.
• 46:23
  T-shirt that says, be the monster.
• 46:25
  You wish to see at the End of This Book.
• 46:27
  Yes, this is a real shirt that you can buy.
• 46:29
  It's not exactly the same as the real thing so we probably won't
• 46:33
  get sued. I must now clarify that nothing
• 46:36
  that's been said in this commercial or advertise on our
• 46:37
  stories in any way license, by endorsed by approved, by or
• 46:40
  affiliated with Sesame Workshop. You can probably already tell
• 46:43
  without me saying so, but I fear lawyers, so go buy our stuff
• 46:46
  today. And remember kids visiting our
• 46:47
  stores. The only way to keep the Grobe
• 46:50
  monster away and me. I'm cute too.
• 46:54
  No, you're not. Yeah, I don't think you are.
• 47:04
  Hey, Ryan. What question have you brought
• 47:06
  for us today? Well, I'm glad you asked.
• 47:10
  I've written about this on tough pigs.
• 47:13
  That on the website before probably more than once.
• 47:16
  I don't know if I've heard everyone's take from this group
• 47:22
  but pretty much Much. Every time, a new Muppet project
• 47:26
  as announced a special, or a TV series, or a movie or whatever.
• 47:31
  There are people online saying, why don't you just do the Muppet
• 47:35
  Show again? Come on, just do the Muppet Show
• 47:38
  but again, and for a long time, I was on record as just being
• 47:46
  like, no, it will not work. The the variety show in a
• 47:50
  Vaudeville theater, nobody would watch.
• 47:53
  At in the 2020s nobody wants to watch that.
• 47:57
  The networks have tried many times periodically to bring back
• 48:02
  the variety show. Like, does anybody remember the
• 48:05
  Maya and Marty show with Maya, Rudolph?
• 48:08
  Martin Short, I didn't see like, much of it, but I do remember
• 48:13
  that day. Yeah, two of them.
• 48:15
  Most beloved and talented comedy entertainers.
• 48:20
  They can, they can both sing and they're funny and And they had a
• 48:25
  variety series on NBC, I think and it was it lasted for a few
• 48:30
  episodes. And then it was very quickly,
• 48:32
  canceled and did not come back for another season because
• 48:34
  nobody watches variety shows. Was it any good?
• 48:37
  Can you still watch it anywhere? It was fine.
• 48:42
  Oh I don't know. I've never looked for it since
• 48:44
  it was on TV. But yeah so but people just
• 48:50
  always say like what they should do the Muppet Show.
• 48:52
  Again they should do the Muppet. Against.
• 48:54
  So I've softened somewhat in recent years like all right, I
• 48:59
  don't know, maybe they should just try it.
• 49:01
  If only to prove me right. Like, right when it gets cancel
• 49:04
  quickly, I can tell everyone, I told you so.
• 49:07
  But so yes. My question is just what do you
• 49:12
  all think of bringing back the Muppet Show?
• 49:14
  Like just the original format, the original setting, and do you
• 49:18
  think it would work? Okay, so my take is that That
• 49:24
  maybe not as a series because people are going to make unfair
• 49:28
  comparisons for the original. Yeah.
• 49:30
  But now here is a hot date. Perhaps you know what was the
• 49:34
  best part of? It's a very merry snow time,
• 49:37
  winter, Jamboree Muppet movie. Well, done to say it was the
• 49:43
  Christmas variety show. Yes.
• 49:45
  The part where they are doing their Christmas show, as I love
• 49:49
  the idea of the buckets, like being like the Radio City Music
• 49:53
  Hall, Of wherever they are and putting on like an annual
• 49:56
  Christmas Spectacular. And that makes me think you
• 50:00
  could easily do the Muppet Show, as a holiday, special format.
• 50:06
  As, especially could see it working, because that would be
• 50:09
  like a one-time thing that people, they could advertise it
• 50:13
  a lot. And people would be like, oh,
• 50:14
  here's this one. Cool thing that I want to watch
• 50:16
  on Disney plus that's yeah that that might work.
• 50:20
  Yeah, and like if the Muppets go to the movies was ostensibly a
• 50:23
  Muppet Show. Actual, what about movies and
• 50:26
  they can that work very well. They could easily translate that
• 50:29
  similar idea to a different concept but keep the Muppet Show
• 50:35
  base to it. You know, that similar Trend
• 50:39
  where you see, you know, take an existing movie, keep one actor,
• 50:44
  replace the rest with Muppets and you know us Die Hard fans.
• 50:49
  Start picking apart all the reasons why that's not going to
• 50:52
  work. Realistically speaking love.
• 50:53
  Those those tweets like every single time that gets tweeted
• 50:57
  there. It's just.
• 50:58
  Yep. And we get trapped in it
• 50:59
  inevitably. Yeah, I would love to see a
• 51:03
  special where The Muppets go meta and try to incorporate all
• 51:10
  of this. Here's what the Muppets should
• 51:11
  do from casual fans and we see it fall apart in hilarious ways
• 51:16
  because it doesn't work. Yeah.
• 51:19
  That would be funny. Oh my gosh.
• 51:21
  That is, that's the best idea I've heard for a muppet
• 51:25
  production yet. Like the Muppets do empty on
• 51:29
  hire me to write it. The Muppets do whatever Muppet
• 51:32
  fans, say, and it all goes wrong.
• 51:36
  Like scooter is sitting there watching what people are saying
• 51:39
  about the Muppets on Twitter and just, yep.
• 51:42
  And constantly telling Kermit like, okay, this is what we have
• 51:44
  to do. We have to do this and stuff.
• 51:45
  Oh my God, it'll be just like that one episode of the Jim
• 51:48
  Henson. Our yeah, pretty much.
• 51:50
  Whoa waiting. Oh, so there's a pattern
• 51:54
  emerging in this conversation in which things keep unexpectedly
• 52:01
  being Jim Henson our episodes. Hmm.
• 52:04
  I'm getting very scared. Are we in the chair to another
• 52:08
  episode of we just don't know. Did you make a Jim Henson our
• 52:14
  podcast without meaning to? We've all know.
• 52:19
  Oh, that's my worst nightmare. Wait, I forget there, are people
• 52:22
  on this call, who? Really, like the Jim Henson.
• 52:25
  Our, I forget that I can't just assume that everyone comes on it
• 52:28
  as much as I do. There are cursing, there are
• 52:30
  person on this call who really like Jim Henson out people.
• 52:34
  There are people. There are people on this island
• 52:38
  who really like the Jim Henson. Okay, well, I like it, too.
• 52:42
  I don't love it, but I like, wow.
• 52:44
  Okay, fine fine. You know what?
• 52:50
  Sort of like a Muppet Show when the Muppets perform at d23.
• 52:55
  I was thinking the same exact statement really.
• 52:59
  Wow. No.
• 53:00
  Okay, speaking of Muppets doing a Christmas show, though, we got
• 53:04
  to see Muppets. Performing a Christmas song and
• 53:08
  doing fun, Christmas things at a Muppet Christmas, Carol panel,
• 53:12
  at d23, I wasn't expecting that. I assume this was mostly just a
• 53:17
  way for them to make a big deal out of the cut of Muppet
• 53:23
  Christmas Carol that they're putting on Disney plus soon,
• 53:25
  which has when love is gone restored.
• 53:28
  I don't know if there's anything else in this cut that's going to
• 53:32
  be restored. Like if there's anything else
• 53:33
  new to it or if it's just That when love is gone is fired,
• 53:38
  okay. All right, I mean, I won once
• 53:41
  that has been done. I want people to start
• 53:43
  campaigning for the full Marley and Marley song to go back in
• 53:47
  the movie. Oh yeah.
• 53:49
  They should do that too. Because that footage has does
• 53:53
  exist and it has been used in TV broadcasts, and you can find a,
• 53:57
  not even talks about that. Yeah, but maybe it's real, maybe
• 54:01
  they could do a promo video. Where they shoot Bunsen and
• 54:07
  Beaker singing their song that was only on the soundtrack.
• 54:11
  That would have been fun. They could do it.
• 54:12
  They could, they could just rebuild like a version of
• 54:15
  Scrooge's office set or just like, do it on a green screen or
• 54:19
  something. He was that a our wall.
• 54:23
  Yeah. It's haunted mansion.
• 54:25
  Yeah, I guess that's what everything is going to be from
• 54:27
  now on, right? No more sets.
• 54:30
  So I've never seen these missing minutes but do they include the
• 54:34
  Waldorf? Door knocker.
• 54:38
  They do not unfortunately and do they include the knockers
• 54:42
  t-shirt, oddly enough? They do.
• 54:44
  Oh, all right thoughts of the d23 stuff.
• 54:48
  Oh yeah. Nina West was great.
• 54:50
  Yeah. Yeah people were obviously
• 54:53
  thrilled to see live Muppets in the room with them as we were
• 54:57
  discussing earlier that's always.
• 55:00
  That's always very exciting. And yeah I think it was a good
• 55:05
  way to bring attention. Sent to the 30th anniversary and
• 55:08
  the new, the new version and all that.
• 55:12
  Yeah. I mean if you're just going to
• 55:13
  if you're going to promote hey we're adding this new cut tooth
• 55:16
  of the movie to the streaming service.
• 55:19
  I mean they went all out like they had special guests that
• 55:24
  behind the scenes pictures and stuff they had new musical
• 55:27
  performances. Yeah.
• 55:29
  And they were all in their their, their costumes.
• 55:32
  They work. We had singing Foods, he.
• 55:36
  Yeah, he saw that coming the audience.
• 55:38
  Loved the singing foods from all the videos I've seen, and thank
• 55:41
  you Shan, for collecting as much stuff about this, as you did,
• 55:44
  all the videos and things. I tried my best.
• 55:47
  I really liked that they didn't just stick to the main puppets
• 55:52
  that people to the main characters, that people knew.
• 55:55
  But we're interested in bringing in food and Penguins and such.
• 56:00
  And I'm really glad that the audience responded.
• 56:02
  That so well because in that kind of live setting you can see
• 56:06
  what's coming. Like you don't have the
• 56:09
  advantage of what's outside, the frame being totally invisible on
• 56:13
  the main unless they're seated far enough back but people can
• 56:16
  see what's coming and yet when all these other puppets pop into
• 56:20
  frame, everyone gets really excited.
• 56:23
  And yeah, this further proves my point that the Muppets are not
• 56:28
  just about the main characters or even about characters, we
• 56:32
  know, But are about puppets doing Muppet, e things.
• 56:36
  And when puppets Doom uppity things and they're cute, people
• 56:39
  will react positively. Oh yeah.
• 56:41
  And it's the thing that I lose sight of some times where, like,
• 56:45
  people who aren't us, who aren't thinking about the Muppets every
• 56:48
  day, they might not even remember that.
• 56:51
  There's Muppet singing, food, and muppet Penguins.
• 56:54
  So when they are suddenly reminded of that, it's so like,
• 56:58
  oh yeah, wow, love it Penguins, that's hilarious.
• 57:01
  I mean I don't, A note that it is that hilarious.
• 57:04
  And yet I'm glad other people think so it, I mean to to the
• 57:08
  average person, I think it is very funny to see a muppet
• 57:11
  penguin where the Penguins were enclosed on this.
• 57:13
  I don't remember, I think they were just wearing scarves little
• 57:16
  scarf. Okay.
• 57:17
  Yeah. Muppet penguin, wearing a scarf
• 57:19
  singing and dancing. I mean that's to the average
• 57:22
  person that's comedy gold. If you don't live where penguins
• 57:25
  are penguins, are just objectively funny, right?
• 57:28
  And then, if you turn that into a muppet, Extra delay Muppet
• 57:32
  fans at the South Pole were not as amused by that everyone else.
• 57:36
  Jared Faircloth was very bored in Australia and southern Chile
• 57:42
  and Argentina. I think I think the format that
• 57:47
  they used for celebrating, you know, this big anniversary of a
• 57:54
  Muppet Christmas. Carol could easily be replicated
• 57:57
  when other big anniversaries come by of, Beloved Muppet stuff
• 58:03
  but I'll pick Treasure Island. Yes.
• 58:05
  Just a few years away that 30th anniversary from space.
• 58:10
  Everyone will be that excited about that anniversary but they
• 58:13
  can get Rob Schneider back. No they can't but I think it was
• 58:22
  a good balance of celebrating the old stuff and introducing
• 58:26
  the new stuff because that panel on Muppet Mayhem was good.
• 58:31
  Like, it made me feel optimistic about the show.
• 58:34
  Yeah, I'm so cautiously optimistic about Muppets Mayhem.
• 58:38
  I have faith in the system now that now that they are sort of
• 58:45
  having performers or involved not.
• 58:48
  Not necessarily like they are the ones writing, but they are
• 58:51
  getting more input creatively from the performers that they
• 58:58
  have like, they have more knowledge of these characters.
• 59:00
  So they'll be able All to say more, oh, this is something
• 59:04
  Floyd when we do. So they won't build a void sort
• 59:07
  of making a bad show about what. Yeah.
• 59:11
  Right. And you can really tell when
• 59:13
  something is written by people who have experience in
• 59:20
  screenwriting but not experience in writing for the Muppets.
• 59:24
  It's a different Monster for lack of a better term.
• 59:29
  Yeah, yeah. No.
• 59:30
  It's a very specific thing at this time.
• 59:34
  I'd like to remind everyone early-mid episode that you
• 59:39
  should rate review, subscribe, all that stuff, do all of the
• 59:43
  good podcast things and there will come a time, not maybe not
• 59:47
  right now, but at some point in your life listener, when you are
• 59:51
  standing in a line with nothing to do It might only be for a
• 59:55
  minute but you'll be standing in a line with nothing to do and
• 59:58
  you'll be thinking there was something I was supposed to do
• 1:00:01
  when I'm standing in a line with nothing to do something.
• 1:00:04
  I was supposed to remember that they said on a podcast and what
• 1:00:07
  it is is take that opportunity when you're not doing anything
• 1:00:09
  else to open up your podcasts app.
• 1:00:11
  And just make sure that you say something nice or throw a few
• 1:00:16
  stars at Muppet fan podcasts from tough pigs.com.
• 1:00:20
  That's all, that's all you need to do and now you're going to
• 1:00:23
  remember it. They go buy something from
• 1:00:25
  Brooklyn and I'm pretty sure I heard that on a podcast to know.
• 1:00:29
  No one's. No one's ever said anything
• 1:00:31
  about that on a podcast. I thought I heard something
• 1:00:33
  about buying an Easter egg for Christmas.
• 1:00:36
  Okay. We're referencing too many Elmo
• 1:00:39
  things. I haven't seen since I was a kid
• 1:00:41
  that I can't remember. Speaking of Elmo things that I
• 1:00:44
  like a, you problem? Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  That's not our fault. Yes.
• 1:00:48
  Speaking of Elmo things that I won't remember.
• 1:00:51
  Let's talk a little bit about Sesame Street.
• 1:00:53
  The musical I'm confused about what happened here.
• 1:00:58
  So there, I don't know how many listeners have heard the Test
• 1:01:01
  episode for this show, but I talked a lot with my friends,
• 1:01:06
  Jared and Becca and have a fan are distorted by, they might
• 1:01:10
  hear the pilot episode of this show.
• 1:01:12
  It's on the patreon. It's on the tough pigs patreon.
• 1:01:16
  So, if you become one of the tough pigs patrons, then you
• 1:01:19
  sometimes get exclusive content, like that episode.
• 1:01:21
  Which now is dated? Because we know more Now than we
• 1:01:24
  knew then but it was a lot of fun.
• 1:01:26
  And one of the things we speculated about is, how are
• 1:01:28
  they going to approach the Sesame Street musical?
• 1:01:31
  How's that even going to work? Is it going to be the real
• 1:01:33
  performers? Is it going to be puppets?
• 1:01:35
  Is it going to be costumes? And what we got?
• 1:01:39
  It seems was yes, puppets, that look, kind of like the official
• 1:01:44
  puppets, pretty close. But if you're picky about Muppet
• 1:01:47
  design, and if you're looking at close up pictures of them, they
• 1:01:52
  look a little bit different and And it is not the regular
• 1:01:55
  puppeteers. It is talented puppeteers, who
• 1:01:57
  are doing a good job, but they are lip-syncing to official
• 1:02:00
  audio as I understand it. Only one of the three of us was
• 1:02:03
  there. We're relying on you a lot for
• 1:02:05
  this stuff tonight. Shane, but Shane, what can you
• 1:02:08
  tell us about Sesame Street? The Musical on Broadway
• 1:02:24
  When are we gonna get the Jim Henson?
• 1:02:26
  Our, the musical. Oh, it's that spin-off that they
• 1:02:29
  did from, don't eat the pictures.
• 1:02:31
  Life has its own musical number. I would never agree that.
• 1:02:35
  So Stephanie 15 musical, it's about perception of your
• 1:02:38
  puppets. But now the musical they have
• 1:02:41
  songs some new like fruit. Now, there's three new songs and
• 1:02:44
  then a whole bunch of Standards. What else do you want to know?
• 1:02:47
  So, in the the puppeteers are hidden from view the whole time.
• 1:02:50
  Is that right? Yes.
• 1:02:51
  So the set is, there's a Big wall across the entire stage.
• 1:02:56
  And that's where the puppeteers are hidden behind.
• 1:02:59
  If you are going to go, see the show, the front row seats, are
• 1:03:02
  the cheapest ones. And that was where I sat in
• 1:03:04
  that, is a apparently obstructed view.
• 1:03:07
  No, no, because anything happening and going on in the
• 1:03:10
  middle of the stage, genuinely cannot see.
• 1:03:13
  So I heard Ernie singing rubber ducky in a bathtub but I
• 1:03:17
  couldn't see it. And you can always hear, Ernie
• 1:03:19
  singing, rubber ducky in a bathtub, you can bring up that
• 1:03:22
  audio whenever you want. Yes.
• 1:03:24
  But in the theater when Ernie does it they pour bubbles down
• 1:03:27
  from the ceiling. Does that happen?
• 1:03:29
  When you listen to rubber ducky every time because I blow the
• 1:03:33
  bubbles, I get out of the bubble soap and I blow the bubbles.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah. All you need.
• 1:03:38
  I applaud your gumption to make to the bit.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah, you're making it a 4D experience.
• 1:03:44
  This, this is how I make up for not getting to go to in-person
• 1:03:47
  Muppet events. This is what you do.
• 1:03:51
  So are the puppeteers lip-synching to just the songs?
• 1:03:55
  Are they literally the whole time they are lip-synching.
• 1:03:59
  The entire time there is one character, the stage manager
• 1:04:04
  sheep who was a new character for the show.
• 1:04:06
  He's just a standard Sesame, she loved it with a little headset
• 1:04:10
  on. They are speaking wife the whole
• 1:04:12
  time because they are the one that are primarily interacting
• 1:04:17
  with the one human. Person in the show.
• 1:04:21
  Okay. Oh yeah, there's a human person
• 1:04:23
  in the show. That was my other question.
• 1:04:25
  What it said that, you know, pulling an audience member up to
• 1:04:29
  be part of the show, is that a plant who's actually an actor or
• 1:04:34
  is that a genuine audience member?
• 1:04:36
  It is an actor. It is not it's not a plant in
• 1:04:39
  that they are sitting out in the audience.
• 1:04:41
  They are on stage the entire time but they like Wonder in on
• 1:04:45
  the set as if they are a lost audience member and then they
• 1:04:48
  get roped into this Show. So they're not even trying to
• 1:04:51
  pretend that this is a real audience member.
• 1:04:54
  It depends on how you look at that.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah, and on that sounds like they're they're not committing
• 1:04:59
  to the bit as much as JD blowing bubbles when he sings Rubber
• 1:05:02
  Ducky it sounds like a six-year-old.
• 1:05:07
  Now will in the future have a realization that he wasn't a
• 1:05:11
  real audience member. Well, that's true.
• 1:05:13
  We I do have to keep reminding myself that like oh yeah this
• 1:05:17
  isn't for grownups who have been to the theater before.
• 1:05:20
  This is for two-year-olds, and this is going to be their first
• 1:05:23
  theater experience and they will probably think, oh, well, this
• 1:05:25
  guy just wandered in off the street and they pulled him into
• 1:05:28
  the show. And when they announced the
• 1:05:31
  show, they said they were going to have all these special guests
• 1:05:33
  from the world of Broadway and stuff.
• 1:05:36
  And I think that was supposed to be what happens in the show,
• 1:05:40
  what that person would be some different kind of like oh hello.
• 1:05:45
  Where they had. They would have a different
• 1:05:47
  famous Broadway person, playing that character, every
• 1:05:50
  performance. I don't know if it would have
• 1:05:52
  been to every performer or rotating and yeah rotating said
• 1:05:55
  because there are a number of jokes quote-unquote jokes where
• 1:06:01
  they'll the person will perform something.
• 1:06:03
  And that one of the characters of, oh, wow, I don't know about
• 1:06:06
  your future and Broadway, but I think you're going to be a big
• 1:06:09
  star lin-manuel. Whoever you are like that kind
• 1:06:13
  of thing. But the person in this show is
• 1:06:16
  always the same actor as it is. Yes.
• 1:06:19
  And he is not, he is he has some stage credits but he is not not
• 1:06:24
  a star. Yeah, you would say that that
• 1:06:26
  joke just doesn't yeah exist in this country.
• 1:06:29
  Really landed. Well, as it could.
• 1:06:31
  Wow. Is this not similar to the Gene
• 1:06:36
  Kelly episode of The Muppet Show in which a celebrity?
• 1:06:39
  Thanks he's just an audience member for a show and then gets
• 1:06:42
  roped into its Looks like that in the show.
• 1:06:46
  The person in the show is much more enthusiastic about being in
• 1:06:50
  the show. Then Gene Kelly was, but it is
• 1:06:54
  the end of the world. That is Trevor Journey.
• 1:06:57
  Filled whole musical number about the Earth opening up and
• 1:07:01
  swallowing them all up. Hope yes.
• 1:07:03
  And when the show finishes its run to that's it, that existence
• 1:07:07
  is over. We'll all be gone.
• 1:07:09
  Yep. I've heard that the Obscured 90s
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  character and I'm probably going to even get the name wrong, baby
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  tooth and the fuzzy funk, you got it right?
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  Is in the show or group of characters.
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  Hey, you know, the to like a larger ones.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  They are in it and if it is they just come out and dance.
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  It was so weird. I was gobsmacked to the entire
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  time but I enjoyed it so much. So after the count does the
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  number of They dance, the introduces, the Sesame Street
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  dances and they built new versions of those puppets.
• 1:07:51
  Yeah, that's great. Yeah, the colors are wildly
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  different. They look like kind of more like
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  like pocket lint. Wow maybe they're made out of
• 1:08:01
  pocket limit. They could be with a budget of
• 1:08:04
  the show was and they're just the two of them and they just do
• 1:08:08
  a dance. And it's boom, Raku style.
• 1:08:11
  So the performers are in black and they're just they just do a
• 1:08:14
  little dance and I loved it. So, does this mean that the most
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  environmentally friendly version of Muppet merchandise is Muppets
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  made out of pocket lint because I feel like we've all got access
• 1:08:29
  to lint. This, this is what boober has
• 1:08:33
  been trying to tell us this whole time to make things and
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  dryer. Lot of lint.
• 1:08:38
  Because Fraggle Rock is the Environmental show, so it all it
• 1:08:42
  all makes sense. Fraggles have pockets though.
• 1:08:45
  I don't have pants. Oh, you can have pockets
• 1:08:47
  insurance and of cardigan sweaters.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, but how often how often do so do those get one thing?
• 1:08:53
  You'd have to ask boober. Boober doesn't even wear a shirt
• 1:08:57
  into just has to have you don't? There's no there.
• 1:09:00
  Absolutely is depends on the hat.
• 1:09:03
  Hmm. On that gross thought Shane.
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  You can find my things on tough pics.com.
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  Where can people find you on the internet?
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  You can also find me writing now and then on tough pigs.com and
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  Where can people find you in person right now?
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  Oh, right here in this chair. Perfect Ryan row where People
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  find you on the internet. Well believe it or not,
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  strangely enough also on tough Pigs.com and the various
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  Associated things on the periphery of that.
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  My podcast that I co-host with Anthony strand is moving right
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  along a Muppet movie podcast, where we were watching all the
• 1:10:19
  Muppet movies, 2 minutes at a time and talking about them a
• 1:10:21
  lot. We are well, by the time this
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  comes out will probably be about halfway through Muppet
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  Christmas. Carol So that's fun to listen to
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  and I'm on Twitter at me, Ryan row.
• 1:10:35
  And on letterboxed at movies are neat.
• 1:10:38
  And I love it when people like my letterbox reviews, because
• 1:10:43
  then it makes me feel like I'm not just shouting into the void.
• 1:10:46
  You're just saying that because I'm the one who like them.
• 1:10:49
  Yes, you do, you do occasionally like my letterbox reviews and I
• 1:10:52
  always appreciate it. I was recently a guest on moving
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  right along. Thank you very much for having
• 1:10:57
  me and on, thank you for having me.
• 1:10:59
  Hello, Danny horn because I can't I can't compete with that.
• 1:11:05
  That's just not fair. It's not a competition though.
• 1:11:09
  I know young in it. Yeah, that's funny.
• 1:11:11
  Follow everybody. It's true.
• 1:11:13
  I just there should have been a buffer.
• 1:11:15
  I just like do Danny horn, then do Jared, then do me.
• 1:11:20
  And then I saw a person of normal intelligence.
• 1:11:23
  Explain that what's your logic there?
• 1:11:26
  No, I'm just saying like that would be a palate cleanser
• 1:11:28
  because Jarrod would come On and just be like, I don't see Miss
• 1:11:31
  the curly twirly in this episode so I don't like it and then my
• 1:11:35
  episode comes in and I'd have all these tanks and thoughts and
• 1:11:39
  Analysis and then I'd feel really good about myself.
• 1:11:42
  Now, I'm just listening to that Danny horn episode going on.
• 1:11:45
  Ah, why, why do I even bother anyway?
• 1:11:50
  If you in time your episode is posted, it will have been an
• 1:11:53
  entire week since the Danny episode so maybe you should have
• 1:11:58
  upped your game. Yeah.
• 1:11:59
  No, it's really on me, Shane. I know I'm, well, aware if any
• 1:12:06
  of you listeners would like to come at me.
• 1:12:09
  I'm at JD 11, PC on Twitter and on letterbox.
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• 1:12:15
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  Pigs.com. This is JD Hansel.
• 1:12:43
  Reminding you as I always do. You'll never get out of the
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  cube, goodbye. And I keep saying what they
• 1:12:56
  should really do is bring back granny fanny nesselrode little
• 1:13:00
  kids are already watching Sesame Street, but what about the
• 1:13:03
  senior citizen demographic? They can bring back granny,
• 1:13:06
  fanny nesselrode on the show on Sesame Street and then then they
• 1:13:10
  could add a giant, robot granny finding nesselrode to that.
• 1:13:13
  Mecca Builder show like just think about all the all the toys
• 1:13:17
  they could sell two old, ladies old men me I told you it's For
• 1:13:24
  the granny fanny Nestle science. okay, so the thing about Elmo's
• 1:13:31
  adventures in Grouchland is that it's a truly underrated piece of
• 1:13:36
  anti-capitalism and I did not expect that going in, but the
• 1:13:42
  piece de resistance at the end is when Elmo realizes that he
• 1:13:45
  has something in common with the villain.
• 1:13:49
  Not like, oh we have something in common that we can Bond over
• 1:13:52
  but rather, oh my gosh, I have a villainous trait Within Myself,
• 1:13:57
  That Could could turn villainous.
• 1:13:58
  If I don't face this problem, honestly, he doesn't get enough
• 1:14:04
  credit for that. Say, have you ever noticed how
• 1:14:08
  we Drive on a parkway, but park in a parking lot.
• 1:14:13
  I mean, what is the deal with that?
• 1:14:16
  I've never understood it. Am I right?
• 1:14:19
  Am I left? I will be here all.
• 1:14:23
  We could somebody please help me.
• 1:14:25
  I want to go home so bad. And scene.