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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP03 - Agronomy & Heathenry (w/ special guest Phillip) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Hello everyone and welcome to the random Heathen ramblings
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Well hello everyone. Hello and welcome back to
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However, it is. Thank you so much for your
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support. Again, got a fun guest line for
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for us today. Lined up for us today, actually
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spoke to this gentleman week ago, prior to recording last
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week's episode and You know, not really knowing what last week's
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episode was going to be but knowing what this episode was
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going to be about, just having out, you know, having it all
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line up the way it's lined up subject matter.
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You know, last week talking about the Charming of the plow
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thing and getting the ground prepared and thinking about
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crops and growing. Of crops, today's guest is name
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is Philip a local Heathen, / Pagan in the area.
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We're going to hear more about Phillips back.
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But Phillip is a guy who I talk to me, message me through the
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page through the Facebook page. Once talked about Agronomy and
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bringing that back into paganism, or having it more of
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a, of a role or presence in paganism and what kind of
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brought him to that realization. So I really think it's going to
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be a fun show. I'm looking forward to, you
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know, rambling back and forth with him and putting some
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planting, some seeds and all of our minds.
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Yeah, and maybe thinking about how we can all incorporate this
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into our day-to-day practices in our and maybe even on a larger
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scale. So let's get into it.
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We're going to bring Philippine here to talk about all this
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So, without further Ado, let's go ahead and welcome in Philip
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to the show, longtime viewer, I guess from my understanding, or
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he's been, you know, watching listening for a while.
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But let's go ahead and see what he has to say about Agronomy and
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paganism. All right, folks.
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Will I Am joined here with Philip who is a local he then I
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guess you would say right Philip Hagen.
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So yeah, welcome to Welcome to the podcast.
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Appreciate you taking some time out to come on here and yeah,
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just kind of introduce yourself to the listeners and viewers and
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tell them. Tell everybody who and what
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you're about. Yeah, thanks for having me.
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Some have been some flavor of neo-pagan pretty much my entire
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adult life, but Here in the last, let's say, 7 to 8 years
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been, weighing very heavily into a Norse paganism and very, very
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much consider myself a heathen. And at that, the, and it led me
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to look into a lot of, like, the north ways of life, right
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course. Initially you go through the
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like I do. I was a kid, so there was kind
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of a leaning in that regard. There's that, I guess that idea
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of kind of self-sufficiency that, I think goes a long with
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most most Pagan, most people who have a pagan bent.
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And that, that those two kind of came together when we got, in
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some land and I was like, okay, you know, my wife is pregnant
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with her first kid and, you know, we decided we were going
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to start a farm. Because what could go wrong?
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That's a, that's a big endeavor. What so with everybody that's
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listening and watching here, I mentioned offline a bit kind of
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like as an intro. That what we wanted to talk
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about today with you was because you had reached out to me
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through the Facebook page and said hey you know this Agronomy
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and paganism in the synchronous sinks and cross it eccentricity,
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whatever, the how it how they can be combined or connected and
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what not and I thought. Wow that's you know let's let's
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talk a bit about it and let's get some because you know that
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was like kind of, I knew what I know what it is but that was the
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first Guess time that I'd heard the name put to it, you know?
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But what we're talking about right is, is is going back to
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what you basically said, right? Farming working the land being
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self-sufficient to a degree of of growing, your own food, and
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living a sort of like farming lifestyle, right?
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Hey, yeah, to a certain degree but I mean, I'm I work in
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technology and, you know, very much steeped in the conveniences
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of modern living, but that, that experiment LED Led to a won't
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say a profound, but a very deep kind of reconnection that
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really. I hadn't realized I was missing
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until I found it and it's a, and I think a lot of people that,
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you know, that spend their lives in a more urbanized setting that
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there's a, that's a component that doesn't necessarily gel
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with the, their day-to-day practice of paganism.
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Whatever flavor it is until you kind of get Your hands in it and
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suddenly becomes clear, how? The cyclical nature of well
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nature and you know making food a tagger are so very closely
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tied together. Yeah absolutely.
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And what's really neat is that the the topic of this
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conversation is coming off the coattails of last week's episode
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which I'm not sure if you'd seen it or not but I was talking
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about this time of year and the modern ritual Charming of the
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plow. It's and I kind of went back
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into some of the, you know, the historical Germanic Heathen
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stuff and that there really wasn't anything like that in the
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sense of, you know, upload or a sacrifice.
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But there is absolutely plenty of information that we have that
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that stent that we get this modern version of that, right?
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There's this focus on making sure that the land is, as well
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taken care of, and actually taking it to a spiritual or even
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a religious level. You know, gifting to the land,
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making sure that the land is, is happy and that the spirits that
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dwell in the land that we share space and all that with our, you
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know. Well, well, well, 1:50 to
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provide for a good growing season less, they start messing
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with your stuff. Yeah, yeah.
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That was that was that was definitely a thing you know, and
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I think it's cool that we're having this conversation now
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August a on the coattails of that podcast list last week.
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So you had mentioned, write that You have been in some form or
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fashion, you know, in the old Pagan beliefs for a long time
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and that you've recently found a pull towards like the Norse or
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Germanic model of things. What I guess, what was the, what
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was the profound or maybe, whatever, what was the turning
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point for you to say like that? Was it like that is where you
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wanted to go? Yeah, there was a so always had
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I guess a good way to describe it.
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Was my experience is with kind of looking through the various
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quote-unquote schools and neo-paganism, right?
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You did like a lot of people who start off in the wake up because
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that's the first book that you stumble across right?
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And then because it's the only one to have in high school
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library then you know that but there was always this sense that
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there was a component missing at there's portions of my
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personality or not accurately. Acted in my religion.
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And that was really the thing that kind of kept me looking.
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I always had a view of deity and this I still haven't really
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nailed this one down, but there was a view of deity is like
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this, almost not a pathetic, but kind of a you're on your own
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right? And and that was very contrary
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to the way most of the people that Around me felt about the
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intervention of deity in your day-to-day life as like, yeah,
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no, I don't, I'm not, I don't expect a deity to come, help me
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carry my groceries in the house, right?
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But that, that, that that view of deity, which also came along
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with this visual, love of books is somewhat telling, but like
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this Stark black, monolith on a gray, a great landscape.
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And the I never could quite find a parallel or something that
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even lent itself to that visual, for very long time.
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And it wasn't until I had started reading.
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And coincidentally about the same time, the History Channel
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show show Vikings started so that the availability of
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information just like exploded because there was a lot of
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popular attention, which of course, then led to a lot of
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Only attention right on its coattails.
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So then I think really helped and then it was the that kind of
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corollary between the view of deity as not necessarily
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something you call on every day. But you honor it because it's
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part of existence and you know, and when shit goes really
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sideways, you know, you can reach out.
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Yeah. But the That was, I think the
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thing that kind of pulled me to it the most and then the that
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and I've always I've always been a person who likes the cold,
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which tries my wife, absolutely crazy.
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She's saying that opposite leg with 45 degrees outside.
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I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go build stuff in the backyard.
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Yeah. Like, I'm the same way.
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I like the cold and, you know, my wife is, I'm originally from
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New York. So, my wife's originally from
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Tennessee and that she doesn't like the cold, Whether at all
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yeah doesn't shy well but yeah you know it kind of lined up the
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it even once I kind of made the realization that kind of my
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religious home for lack of a better term was in the Norse
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paganism, the from there. It was probably another five or
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six years before we even really nailed down individual.
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The idea that I had any real like Personal and a half Louis
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is not the word I'm looking for but connection to I guess,
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right? So it was more of a broad like
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hanging out. I like everyone at this party.
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However, I'm still kind of hanging out in the corner by
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myself a little bit. Yeah, Yeah.
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Well, I think that's a, you know, one of the one of the
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things that least I've noticed in the time that I've been
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dabbling in in Heathen, re and paganism, you know, because I
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came Into Heathen re pretty much directly off of being raised in
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a Christian worldview, Christian denomination, non-denominational
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Christian family and Community, which ironically enough was was
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also deeply rooted in homesteading, right?
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We had. We raise beef, cattle.
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Everybody had Gardens. You know, there was a farm that
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I worked on for over a decade, you know.
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So we were largely Like, you know, we were talking about
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earlier being self-sufficient. We pretty much could either grow
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or raise most of what we needed and didn't rely heavily too much
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on the outside. Well, it's not like we never
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went to the grocery stores but, you know, hey, if you know,
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there was something in the garden and you wanted a fresh
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salad, you didn't go to the store and grab a bag of lettuce,
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she went and picked it out of the garden, you know, that sort
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of stuff. So, I came into Heathen re, you
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know, with those worldviews with this, I got to look for some
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sort of sacred or divine. Being or beings.
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I guess you know that that took the place of this one
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monotheistic broke, you know, and and I think what a lot of
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pagans would get is that at least in this model of he
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dramatic even realize that you got to have your own Hearth
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cult. Every every Clan every tribe had
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their own, every family has their own specific Hearth Cults
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and that's where everything was with centralized around.
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It was what was the the customs of the family and what was the
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Traditions that lived on through you know, the The family's
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doings and then everybody came together wet, certain key points
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to connect with the Divine, their Divine figures, their
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deity or deities. But one thing I noticed the
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saying is his how some pagans just omit that they don't even
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come into this with with any understanding or knowledge of
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creating your own Hearth practices.
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Your own Hearth cult your own Traditions.
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Yeah I think sorry. I think a lot of what you're
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talking about doing. You know, and finding a home as
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it were in a spiritual path or in a religious way and and how
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it's so closely connected to living off the land.
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I mean that's That's that's great.
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I think that that really is almost where a lot of things
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should start is is maybe not to the same degree.
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If you don't have the space, if you don't have the property to
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grow and all that, then maybe not to that same degree, but at
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least find something that you can really like sink your teeth
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into an established roots and close to your home, close to
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your yeah, immediate heart, right?
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There's the tear earlier point. I think that's a lot of people
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have a difficulty putting down the idea of dogma, and that's
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that, Someone taught me a ritual.
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So this is the right way to do it and it gives you a sense of
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realness. Because that thing was already
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there. It's like a building, the player
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hand are touch. Yeah.
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But that's, I think it was very much that absence of Dogma that
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put me in the position to be able to, to kind of find what
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was for me, the right path and make that linkage between the
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cyclical nature of doing agricultural stuff.
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And that, that mechanical linkage to the The neo-pagan
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celebrations and the you mentioned earlier the, the bit
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with the plow. I made a really interesting
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connection very early on because I don't know if you're aware or
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not. But here in Tennessee, we have
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fairly nitrogen. Poor soil?
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Yes. Yes.
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You've got a fertilized the shit out of some stuff.
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I mean literally fertilize the shit like it.
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You got to really The edit was funny that that I think it was
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probably the very first one that was like, oh shit, there's like
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a real connection here. But, you know, beyond the,
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where's the Sun in the sky piece was soils that have a very high
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carbon content or typically really low in nitrogen because
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the nitrogen bonds with the carbon to break down and it was
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actually the very likely the the sacrificial rituals that put
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blood into the Earth. That provided a lot of the
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nitrogen in the soil uses because like if you know
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anything about the, like the three numbers on fertilizer,
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nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, right?
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The, the NPK? Yeah.
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You look at blood meals 1200. It's a hundred percent nitrogen
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soil. Look at that was the oh shit.
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That's you know from an agricultural perspective.
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In addition to the the ritualised occasion over were
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starting the process of you know, preparing the soil for
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planting, you know, part of that preparing the soil for planting
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in addition to the ritual of making the sacrifice to deities
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for to gain favour was to, you know, how to throw an extra shoe
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in the ring by adding some nitrogen to the soil.
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Yeah. And I'm leaving, you know, like
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Really, that's a good point because the the science behind
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it is evident, right? But the these people back then,
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didn't maybe we're not giving them as much credit.
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I don't think that they had this that level or that granular of a
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level of an understanding of. This is why we have to do it,
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but as it turns out, you know, the blood that that was leaded
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in shed that that made it into the soil, could very well be the
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thing that helped literally nourish.
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The ground. And give that, that gift.
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That was needed. It's a good point.
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And that's the thing that's lacking today.
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I guess, you know, like, we have these synthetic fertilizers, you
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know, and I've been hearing a lot of people, you know, talk
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about how like you look at the price of things nowadays.
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I mean, eggs and milk and just produce, you know, astronomical
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through the roof. And what are we getting out of
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it, though? When we do get those things, I
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mean, Nutri nutritionally, lacking.
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The products frequently. Yeah you know like there's you
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look at the difference between let's say chickens that are free
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range and you look at like the color and the thickness and of
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the yolk, right? These are different.
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Yeah, it's yeah, it meets is the same way.
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I mean, some of them, the, I don't know, And this is the
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thing that very recently came to my attention over the course of
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this summer. Like a lot of lumber that sold
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my house fast grow with pine. And like, even if it's pressure
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treated as soon as you get, it wet Works.
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Yep. Then it's the, the quality that
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comes from producing at the economy of scale.
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Just, you know, it goes down because a lot of the focus is
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on. How much can you produce, not?
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How good is they meet minimum standard of production quality,
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that's ETA to them by a government agency.
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That basically says, don't poison anyone on purpose on
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purpose, on purpose. They don't have to dot all our
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eyes across all our T's will. Let that one slide.
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But yeah, like, let's not make it too obvious, right?
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But that's the, you know, they're shooting for, you know,
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minimum level of effort, the greatest quantity, because their
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business, and yeah, fault them for that their minute to make
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money. I think it becomes something
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different when you're attending your own farm, and I'm not going
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to suggest You know, hugging a plant, makes it grow and be
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better, but when you, when you're dealing at that small of
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a scale, you tend to pay way more attention to detail and
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that that has a direct effect on how that plant grows for sure.
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Now, what is the degree that you're forming like you said
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you're building a barn? I mean you have are you
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livestock as well? I mean what's your what's little
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scalar? Wait, I can give you the the
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brief history of how this came about and you'll kind of get an
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idea. Idea about where we landed and
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where we are. So we moved out here, December
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of 2019, which was way too late to be trying a farm.
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So we started in 2020 and our first year.
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Yeah. What are you here?
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Right. I'm not going anywhere else,
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right? Yeah, yeah.
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True might as well build a farm. Yeah yeah exactly.
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But you know the first year we just kind of jammed seeds into
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the soil. It will see what happened.
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And interestingly enough it was a bumper crop year for squash
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and cucumbers. Hmm, everything else was
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essentially dwarfed right? I mean he had you know, corn
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cobs the size of my pinky and watermelons the size of my
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thumbnail is real cute. If you want to put it on a
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necklace, not if you want to eat it, all right?
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But the it's only been about three years now, this is, this
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is coming up your 3. So the first year we did
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basically just three rows that were about 15 feet long and then
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a couple feet between them. We had set aside a quarter of an
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acre just for Crop Production but I had knowing how little I
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knew. I knew that if I went with my
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normal, over-ambitious impulse and was like, we're going to
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grow all the things I was going to screw it up and the probably
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never touch it again, right? So we started small.
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And then the next year was five rows, and we did paid a little
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more attention to soil, chemistry.
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I engage the help of a local resource who actually teaches
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Agronomy and he kind of gave me some pointers on, you know,
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chemical components and that really started the kind of the
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chemistry portion of okay, plants need something that's not
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in the soil, so I gotta do something about that.
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And then very shortly thereafter.
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The rabbits discovered our garden.
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Yeah, so I went with a okay, turnabout's.
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Fair play, if you're going to eat my food and I'm going to eat
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you, mmm. So we put a trap out caught one
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might have went to Tractor Supply and got a hunch, set it
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up and then my dog knocked it over the rabbit got away.
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But but my son was just devastated because he had been,
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he and I have been getting up in the morning, making sure they
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have food and water and all that fun stuff.
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So I was like, okay well let's see about raising rabbits, it's
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supposedly easy and turns out it is for the most part.
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Because so, we The barn that we're building is a part
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Greenhouse part Rabbit bar, okay.
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And it's the, the part of the cyclical nature was, you know,
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when I started looking at natural sources of fertilizer,
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you know, the among the best you can get our chicken and rabbit.
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Yep. And rabbit is referred to as
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Gordon goals. And, you know, I've tried my
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hand at doing a A compost pile that did not go well at all.
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There's a lot of work to that two people don't realize.
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Like we had, we had compost heaps and I mean, it's not just
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dumping stuff out there and letting it go.
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I mean, you gotta, you gotta turn it, you gotta, you know,
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put forth on the bottom up, top, you got to let Harry to it.
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I mean there's there's again there's there's some science
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behind it. Yeah, you could actually be
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right now. You have to pay attention to
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what goes into it. Versus the Green Screen stuff.
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Yeah. Like, you know, what's a better
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way to turn plant stuff into a fertilizer?
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Feed it to a rabbit. So that's what we do.
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Feed the feed, the rabbits, the scraps, from vegetables, they
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turn into poop, we put it in the garden and then when Wen, we
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process rabbits the nothing gets wasted.
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We use the pelts and we're making stuff from all biggest
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rabbit. Yeah for products, my dogs, get
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the heads in the feet and then Then I take the lower part of
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the internal organs, and those go get dumped into pipes down
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behind my fruit trees. So it's, you know, nitrogen goes
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back in. And that's the kind of where we
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ended up and where we are now. So the livestock currently is
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constrained to just rabbits because they don't go very far
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and it's very difficult for them to get to a get through a fence
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if you smoke enough. Yeah, and your manageable, but
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that's a I got to get better at running.
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I guess that's get some get some more dogs for that, you know?
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Yeah, exactly. That is that is, that is really
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cool. So what are the, what are the
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produce crops that you that you've been successful with the
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most success? With, I know you mentioned that
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one year was like crazy for squash and cucumbers, but yeah,
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we've been able to cucumbers. Go really well around here.
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They'd really do. I had a year that was just going
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to say before you go on there. Like I had too many cucumbers.
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I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do it all these things?
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Yep, we had I had want to take a picture of.
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It was a cucumber. Big and my forearm.
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Oh wow. Whole what about this?
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I had zucchini that when you're yeah yeah and that was the other
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thing. I was like there's got to be a
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contributing factor to this. That why is it squash growing
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Bonkers this year? And not the one following or the
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one before it. What's happening here?
25:30
That is that a cycle of chemical in the soil or, you know, that
25:36
started the Agronomy or down the Agronomy Rabbit Hole as it were,
25:42
but yeah. The we've been always good with
25:46
cucumbers. Okra seems to be very resilient
25:50
the ricotta hit and miss with tomatoes.
25:53
It was until recently the Discover that they have a need
25:57
to do a lot more acidic soil for the, the tomatoes.
26:01
And that started me down the path of wondering if there was a
26:05
linkage between the potash from Fires at the oil.
26:13
So now I have an established one yet, but I've only just started
26:15
their research. Gotcha.
26:18
So, like, just from, like, you know, brush fires or campfires
26:21
or yeah. That's, that's tough.
26:23
Yeah, I would be surprised if someone hadn't made that linkage
26:27
at one point where in, you know, somebody sitting around a
26:31
campfire, eating tomatoes, and obviously seats fault.
26:34
They do it and they're like, look, 12 inches away from this,
26:39
that tomato plants, not growing very well, but that one that
26:42
landed right. Next to the fire, seems to be
26:44
great. Well, the aren't there, I
26:47
remember seeing like some practices where they'll, they'll
26:52
they'll purposely burn Fields. Like there's I've seen him
26:55
around here to like you'll see like a huge smoke in the area.
26:59
They will come find out that the Fire Department of Labor's over
27:01
it, but controlled Burns. Yeah, is definitely a way to
27:07
enrich the ground and kill off some of the bad stuff and bring
27:11
new life to that. That I'm that's the thing.
27:14
Yeah. So but yeah we had a my
27:19
father-in-law he's always growing tomatoes every year and
27:24
you know he has this like maybe you're a couple of like three or
27:27
four plants that he said he'd be gross.
27:31
Nope. Nope.
27:33
Nope. I mean, it's always them and
27:37
some my wife doesn't really care for him but I, you know, I'll
27:40
eat him and it's like, he'll bring all this up.
27:42
You know, it's just like, all right Ronnie I'm dumb to made it
27:46
out right now like where else going to clean, salads and
27:49
sandwiches. And I mean, the neat thing is
27:51
you can can them, right? You can want to go that route,
27:54
you can do it. But so say is a he had a this
27:58
past year, there was a like a tree and in the back would line
28:03
outside of the yard where he grows them and you know all of
28:07
the plants and stuff had been done producing for the for the
28:10
year and he had, you know, uprooted the Stuff cut them all
28:13
down and toss them in the wood line and like growing out of the
28:17
trunk or like one of the limbs of the trees.
28:19
Like one of the main route parts of the tree was a tomato plant
28:23
growing straight out of the wood.
28:25
Yeah I'm like is that he's like look at that.
28:28
I like, is that a tomato? Plant going up there.
28:29
He's like, yeah, I guess a squirrel may have just, you
28:31
know, took a dump or something up there, or drop the seed.
28:34
It's, you know, and it was literally growing out of the
28:37
tree. Yeah.
28:38
It's bonkers. The never seen that before the
28:43
Like if you have like you can take a branch off of most plants
28:49
and if you expose it to soil, like it'll start growing a root
28:54
and the like so that that chemistry component with the,
28:58
the way the plant sends and receives signals in the
29:01
chemicals that it consumes or the minerals that that the key
29:07
parts of the plant to differentiate in a different way
29:11
that I find that. Absolutely.
29:12
Fascinating. The fact that, you know, you
29:15
could take a I don't know being right?
29:21
And if you put it on the right part of the tree when you'll
29:25
have an apple bean tree. Yeah, yeah.
29:28
Well, I I'm very fascinated with fungus, right, and mycelium
29:35
Network that exists and how it manifests, through mushrooms.
29:39
And, and I mean, you were talking about how, like, the,
29:43
how the are you that? Says something moment ago, that
29:46
made me think about this. Trees and plants and all these
29:50
things they do. They communicate they speak to
29:52
one another. Not in the ways that we do but
29:54
they have a network, they have this this and you work in Tech
29:59
and I do as well, right. It's how the internet was based
30:02
on, right? All these Yes.
30:07
Yeah. That's why we call it a trunk,
30:09
right? And it fascinates me to no end
30:13
how, like, getting into any sort of nature, based religion.
30:18
So paganism, he even rewrite. These are, these are folk ways
30:22
that are deeply rooted, no pun intended, actually, the pun is
30:25
intended deeply rooted in nature.
30:28
Because again, it was it was at times when, when, if you didn't
30:32
grow your own, Food. And if you didn't raise your own
30:36
livestock or whatever, mean, if you didn't grow it, you didn't
30:38
eat, you know, it was, it was very hard to, you know, you
30:42
know, it wasn't money, wasn't a thing.
30:43
It was, it was, you know, that was for like the rich in the
30:45
nobility and what not? They could just purchase
30:48
whatever they wanted but the people, the common folk needed
30:51
to survive and grow what they needed.
30:54
So that and and and the correlation between how nature
31:00
communicates, you know, how tree Trees and plants the root
31:05
systems and mycelium network with with fungus and everything.
31:08
How there's all this stuff going on?
31:10
Literally beneath our feet, And it's in it's mind-boggling and
31:15
how we can get how we should be reconnecting to that.
31:19
And then in one of the ways, I think that you found is through
31:23
agriculture, Agronomy understanding, all of the the
31:26
scientific chemical parts of all this and then implementing it
31:31
into the day-to-day. Yeah, and I think there's
31:34
anything you you, you know, from a technology perspective, you
31:38
know, when you read about Technologies in a book, You may
31:42
have a cursory understanding and you maybe even be able to
31:45
perform a job function by rote. But once you've had your hands
31:49
on and especially, you know, helpdesk the I did, I did my
31:53
gears but I think that's why a lot of people start.
31:56
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
31:57
It's, it's like when a door with the pathway that starts at all
31:59
with the exactly. Exactly.
32:01
The, the grinder, the weeds out the chaff.
32:04
But, but the, as you as you start to understand the
32:09
mechanical interactions of like information systems, The more
32:14
ephemeral Concepts become easier to understand.
32:17
And I think the same is true. At least once', starting to feel
32:20
that way to me, I'm just great at still, at the very beginning
32:23
of this journey, but the, when you start to understand them,
32:27
the, the more mechanical like the the interactions of stuff
32:32
and what that means on a practical level rightist, see,
32:36
being exposed to a certain mineral and chemical combination
32:39
will differentiate to a route and that will start to grow.
32:42
Grow a new plant, but when you start to understand that some of
32:46
the more ephemeral stuff becomes easier to digest and understand
32:51
and I think the same it becomes true, or at least for me, it's
32:55
becoming true. As I start to reconnect the
33:00
ritualised practice of recognizing the cycle of nature,
33:04
with the practical application of agriculture in Agronomy.
33:10
And then the combination of the The have some of the artifacts
33:16
of those rituals. Like the so the blessing of the
33:20
plow it was a blessing you call this something else.
33:23
The charming will actually dogs getting the same thing, but
33:25
yeah, it's the same. Yeah, but that, that, that
33:28
action had a practical effect on the soil and if you if you can
33:35
make that linkage between like the what our current scientific
33:39
understanding of agronomy is Versed and and Link that to the
33:45
action that became part of a ritual understanding the
33:49
necessity of that ritual as it relates to the cycle of nature
33:53
becomes easier to digest and better and easier to understand.
33:58
Yes Ops being just a thing that you do because it's you know, a
34:01
dogmatic way of doing something, exactly.
34:04
Seems like the right thing at the time, you begin to
34:06
understand all you know the is a purpose behind it.
34:11
Exactly. Right.
34:12
The Don't start sowing seeds. When the the sun immediately
34:18
begins to kick up in the sky right after the the winter
34:22
solstice you. Wait till the cross-quarter day
34:24
because, you know, everything still frozen, especially as it
34:30
right? And I mentioned some of that
34:32
stuff. The, you know, that we're
34:33
getting into more specifically now, I kind of alluded to the
34:38
purpose of why? Because again, so much of I
34:43
think what especially newer newer, heathens newbie, pagans
34:47
right that the new, the young ones that are coming into this.
34:50
They the baggage that they bring from previous religious and
34:56
often dogmatic practices are I've got to do this because
34:59
so-and-so said to or it's written down somewhere and
35:02
that's the way they did it. But why did they do it?
35:04
What was the purpose behind? What they did?
35:06
They had a purpose, it was very purposeful if they didn't, there
35:09
were consequences and that was why?
35:12
And yes. It was the the again, how it how
35:16
it became part of the ritual practice, and how it turned into
35:20
something of a more, you know, where you bring the deity into
35:25
it. All it again.
35:27
Still had the Practical and purpose.
35:30
Practical purpose before, anything else.
35:32
Yeah, and if we're not, if we're not, if we're not figuring that
35:35
part out first, if we're not understanding why we're doing
35:38
what we're doing, then we're just going through the motions.
35:43
With no purpose and what are we going to get out of that?
35:47
I don't think we're going to go look at it.
35:50
Yeah, I don't know about you, but I find that is a somebody
35:55
who works in technology and be somebody driving a farm and see,
35:59
you know, probably more importantly, you know, father or
36:02
two small children. I don't have time for
36:05
triviality. He's a lot of stuff going on at
36:10
the moment, so the stuff that has a practical impact even if
36:17
It is ritualised or you know that Tethered to a religious
36:22
intent especially Tethered to a religious them to.
36:25
Those are the things that get prioritized to stuff that I do.
36:29
The because that's, you know, it's the, the multi-purpose
36:34
action of kind of re-establishing, maintaining the
36:42
the spiritual linkage between what I'm doing on a day-to-day
36:45
basis and of the hesitate to use the term devotion because that's
36:52
not quite accurate. The, the recognition of kind of
36:57
my places are relates to be Deity.
36:59
And you know, the world around me and if it also happened to
37:04
put some nitrogen in the soil. Well, yeah, because again,
37:08
you're looking at it from an approach of, you know, growing
37:14
the garden growing food for your families providing being
37:17
sufficient. You have be again that that
37:19
industriousness the the self-reliance, all these, the
37:21
various things that tend to really, you know, you know
37:26
impress a lot of the Heathen communities now is, you know,
37:28
How can you be self-reliant, how can you be industrious?
37:31
How can you be? You know, how can you persevere
37:33
through hard times? Like, all these things that were
37:35
just inherently a part of an ancient Society.
37:37
Almost anywhere doesn't have to even to be, you know, the
37:40
Germanic peoples of Northern Europe.
37:42
But just anywhere, I mean, you go far enough back in any
37:44
cultures. It's this was the way of the
37:47
world at the time. The common people were farmers
37:50
and workers of the land. It really just have to skip back
37:53
before the refrigerator. Yeah, and even that far back.
37:57
Exactly. I mean it's not even that long
37:58
Ago. I mean, just a couple
38:01
Generations back, you know, it's I mean, my my wife, she loves
38:04
this show, Little House on the Prairie, you know.
38:07
Oh yeah. And I was like, I remember
38:08
watching that growing up as a kid and then having a different
38:11
perspective on it now, like watching watching it the other
38:14
day. Because, you know, she watches
38:15
our nice throughout the week and she's getting her to watch it
38:19
too. So she's, you know, really
38:21
absorbed into it all and just hearing the dialogue, you know,
38:24
and thinking about the timeframe of when that was, I mean we're
38:27
talking like a couple hundred years.
38:28
Go. Maybe the most.
38:30
Yeah, and no, not really, not not not in the grand scheme of
38:34
things. I mean, that's like, you know,
38:35
last week in our frame of mind, you know, like it's in terms of
38:38
the age of the world and everything else, you know?
38:40
And just some of the things that they talked about in realize
38:42
that you know I can't do this right now because it's winter or
38:47
I'm not going to be able to you know get you that new pair of
38:51
glasses until the summer. When I'm able to you know, sell
38:55
some of these crops are do whatever.
38:56
And it's like, wow man, you know.
38:59
Again, not even all that long ago and now here we are, it's
39:01
you know what, you can, what you can get right?
39:04
Then right now, how can we quickly turn around things how,
39:08
you know, against not about quality?
39:10
It's about quantity because again, it's all about the money,
39:12
it's a business. Now, everything's a business and
39:16
it's wild just how quickly the world changed in such a
39:20
relatively short period of time. And I think it's great, that
39:22
there's people like you that are wanting to put these types of
39:26
plant, these types of seeds again, pun intended.
39:28
Had to put stuff like this in people's minds and get to
39:31
thinking about how can we get back to?
39:36
A time where we're because again, man, like I've worked on
39:40
a farm. I know what it means to to work,
39:42
the land to grow your own things and the satisfaction that you
39:46
get from reaping those, those rewards, you know.
39:50
I mean, it's such a good feeling to know that the hard work that
39:54
you put into whatever it is growing the crops raising the
39:58
livestock, whatever, you know, and you get to enjoy the reward
40:02
of that. It's it's unlike anything else.
40:05
Else, it's so rewarding. Yeah, I could absolutely see
40:08
where, you know, our culture, that in any culture, right?
40:15
That our civilization, that, that his food was very cyclical,
40:20
right? It would be very easy to see the
40:22
touch of divinity when you transition from having to drink
40:26
beer, and eating salt, pork for getting that first, cucumber off
40:29
the bar. Hmm.
40:31
Yeah, you know, for all the listeners, if you've never done
40:35
it, The distinction between a to Comer 15 feet away from a
40:39
cucumber plant versus the one that you get in the grocery
40:41
store is Miles. Yeah, League's two leagues Leaps
40:47
and Bounds, right? I mean cucumber, a taste in his
40:49
cucumber. You will ever have in your
40:51
entire life Tomatoes, the same way, I mean, just anything like
40:55
I borne fruit, so much more sugar content and fruit wanted.
41:01
You've gotten it very recently off of the plant when it's
41:04
right. Right, that's tough breaks down,
41:06
very quickly. Sure.
41:08
Yeah, you got to think, like time it sits on the shelves,
41:11
plus the time it took to get there from the field to the
41:15
truck to the processing plant to the truck that brought it there
41:18
to, you know, all that stuff. Look again you lose has all the
41:21
nutrients and again it goes back to what I was saying earlier
41:24
about you know, the convenience of being able to just run to the
41:28
store and grab something that you need, what are we getting
41:32
out of it? I mean, versus having it.
41:35
And growing it ourselves. It's, you know, we're not we're
41:39
not really. Doing anything we're not doing
41:43
ourselves any good. By just having this ezo empty
41:49
nutrient lacking stuff. I'm sure there's a you know, the
41:55
nominal amount of nutrition in your average orange and a
41:57
grocery store. Yeah sure.
41:59
I'll ever be able to grow oranges in Tennessee, but the
42:05
tear point right, the nutrient content is just by virtue of it.
42:09
Having been on the plant going to be higher that and You know,
42:15
you probably still do get a, you know, a decent amount of, you
42:19
know, protein carbohydrates and vitamins and minerals but
42:23
comparatively, the nutrient density of stuff that you grown
42:26
in your backyard tended to and add that attention to detail.
42:31
Yes. He's going to be more, you know,
42:33
what's going into it? Yeah.
42:35
All right. You've literally work the soil,
42:37
your rabbits produce, the fertilizer that gives those
42:42
plants its nutrients that you're now.
42:45
Absorbing, you know. So what the hell is going into
42:48
all this mass-produced stuff chemicals, right?
42:51
Hormones audit lot of things that kill even say nothing of
42:56
disease. Yeah, exactly.
42:58
Yeah. I don't have time to play,
43:05
right, but when you operate at a smaller scale or even a moderate
43:10
scale, the you can have that attention to detail, do things
43:13
like that. Have Crop clots because you're
43:16
not harvesting it with a combine and have to, you know, send 900
43:21
bushels of corn to one place and you know, they're going to get
43:25
pissed off if there's three okra in there, right?
43:29
So what would you mean you've been doing this?
43:32
Now for a few years you've got you can you know, you got that
43:36
level of experience and what not for anybody that's like, you
43:40
know, listening and watching this and whatnot debtor may be
43:44
thinking about Exploring what to do and how to go about it.
43:48
Where do you where would you say?
43:49
Is a good place to start, is a start small, the the best thing
43:55
I could recommend and the easiest way to do it, you know,
44:00
go to Home Depot or another store or somewhere or go to the
44:04
grocery store, get some tomato tomato, all the seeds out, and
44:07
plant them in a pot. And then you know, I hesitate to
44:13
use the term just kind of see how It goes, but the as a good
44:18
first step, you'll, you'll immediately start to see the
44:22
connection between the life cycle that plant and the cycle
44:27
of the seasons. And then I have to admit, it
44:33
does become a little bit addictive.
44:34
You're like, oh, well I had fresh, you know, Tomatoes.
44:38
Can I do? Strawberries know, and then it
44:40
becomes a fan. Yeah, the same is true for.
44:44
You know, smaller plants, right? The you'll taste a world of
44:51
difference between basil or Rosemary and that just came off
44:56
a plant versus the stuff, you'll get in a jar of the grocery
44:58
store. Oh yeah, my friend of mines, mom
45:02
has a, you know, herbs that she grows in their yard a little
45:07
herb, gardens out there like in Lewisburg.
45:10
And so he even grew up, it's like, you know, whenever mom was
45:13
making the sauce or Anything, you know it was you know you
45:16
need this that of the other thing or, you know, rosemary
45:18
thyme basil, you know, Lemon Grass, whatever.
45:21
It's run out in the yard and grab it.
45:22
Don't go to The Pantry, it's we have it right here.
45:25
Yeah, you know, and everybody I mean we got listeners from all
45:29
over the country all over the world, you know.
45:31
So I guess you know, just know your area do a little bit of
45:35
research is to know what is going to grow good in your
45:37
climates and when but start on a smaller scale, I think, right?
45:41
Because you're going to know what you can manage if you Start
45:45
small and to see, you know, don't dig up a 15 by 20.
45:48
Yeah, that's why I can say that march to because, like, you
45:55
know, I had a garden in the back of our house here and it was
45:59
like, you know, maybe 10 feet, it's like maybe an 8 by 10 10 by
46:06
10, something like that, you know, relatively small.
46:09
But I mean, that's no Small Potatoes either.
46:11
I mean, we had, we had a couple of rows of ochre.
46:13
We had a thing of Of zucchini, and tomatoes, and peppers, and
46:18
cucumbers. And at that one year I'm like
46:21
holy shit. This is a lot of work, just
46:22
leaving this much. You know, like it's relatively
46:25
speaking not a lot. But man you talking about just
46:27
watering the land and weeding it, right?
46:30
Because stuff, obviously grows up that you don't want.
46:32
So, you gotta. Yeah, I'd be glad to take care
46:35
of that for years back that the idea of spontaneous generation,
46:43
but they used to think that rats, Came out of old Fabrics or
46:47
old rags. I don't think that came from
46:51
rats and Barnes, I'm pretty sure it came from wheat.
46:54
Yeah, was it because it I swear no matter what you do, a weed
46:58
will find a way to germinate in your soil, doing it on top of
47:02
the, you know, the the 15th story with a little potting
47:07
potty trained on the balcony and New York and a weed, will find a
47:11
way to germinate in that soil life.
47:14
Life finds a way to work, right? Yeah, it does.
47:20
And it's a it, but I think to, you know, looking back on it.
47:23
It's like if, if anything is to take up our time, right?
47:27
It, we all lead busy lives. But if we were to put anything
47:30
else in our life that takes up additional, yeah, time.
47:35
What better time could we be spending than to give put, put,
47:38
put that time and effort back into ourselves and into our
47:41
families and into the well-being of our lives.
47:43
Right? To have a More meaningful life
47:45
and more purposeful life and live a version of ourselves as
47:49
best as we possibly can. Yeah definitely and the the idea
47:56
when you mentioned, you know, about family the one of our
47:58
original intense for this was to be able to not only kind of give
48:03
our kids, some honest-to-goodness chores, but
48:04
also for them to understand like where food comes from and the
48:08
the amount of work that goes into producing those calories.
48:12
The same is true for even at the smallest.
48:14
Mahler scale, right? Having you know children small
48:18
an older, you know, participate in the production of that and
48:23
they will see that linkage the first time, you know, they get
48:27
to partake of something that they produced.
48:30
Absolutely. I mean, like I said, for me,
48:32
growing up on the farm that I did and, and understand, and
48:36
being given that degree because I mean, I grew up on Long
48:39
Island, in New York and then we moved to like the off of the
48:42
Island close to Of the lower foothills of the Catskill.
48:46
So we weren't quite like far Upstate in the state of New
48:49
York. But we were, you know, we had a
48:51
good bit of land and even when I was on Long Island, growing up,
48:55
as a kid, you know, my mom had a small vegetable garden in our
48:57
backyard and, you know, so even at that age, I remember, you
49:02
know, she'd go, you know, go out and get some lettuce for the
49:05
guard for the salad tonight. Deaf or pick peas.
49:09
You know, she to do a lot of beans and legumes and things
49:12
like that, too. And just whatever.
49:14
It was you know, go out and pick it and honestly don't think I
49:18
would have turned out. I was you know it's influential
49:21
and it shapes you into the type of person that you become later
49:24
on. So having that kind of a
49:27
lifestyle to whatever degree even if it's a small plant that
49:30
you have to take care of a small potted plant, I think really
49:33
instill some good. Like you say, honest-to-goodness
49:37
work, you know, chores values, you know, and puts a perspective
49:42
on things that you won't learn elsewhere.
49:45
You know, you don't just download it and stream it.
49:48
It's you got to work for it and that, you know, being able to
49:54
peel away some of the expectation around Instagram,
49:57
defecation the and understand the length of time that it takes
50:03
for nature to do what it's going to do.
50:05
Think it's beneficial, you know, in it teaches us patience,
50:10
right? Knowing like you say that things
50:13
just don't come when you Really want it, you gotta wait.
50:16
You got to allow it to do its thing and you gotta work.
50:19
You got to live through that process along side of it.
50:22
And yeah, there's no cheat code for an apple tree now.
50:28
And yeah, no. I mean not if you're doing it
50:30
right, right, right. Even if you're not doing it
50:33
right, you're waiting three years, whether you want to or
50:35
not strawberries. I think are the same way to
50:37
write because I remember my parents growing strawberries,
50:39
she's my mom thought that she was going to get strawberries
50:42
after the first year. It's like, Getting that you got
50:45
to grow them like, five years, at least or something crazy
50:48
before you even get the crops return because of the, that's
50:53
how they Grows, Right? Want to reproduce itself.
50:59
That's all really fun stuff to learn.
51:01
And again, you know, puts those values which again for folks
51:03
like ourselves who have a lifestyle or a way of practicing
51:08
our spirituality and the connection between all that
51:11
again, it fits it just it lines up why?
51:14
Because that's just how it was done for you know, for so long.
51:19
And one of the things you know, I see from time to time is, you
51:22
know, paganism is making a comeback or he even raised
51:26
making a comeback. Are the old gods are returned.
51:28
Saying, you know, I see that phrase a lot too.
51:31
And I go man, you know They've always been here and all these
51:42
modern things that put people's minds away from all of that
51:46
stuff. I mean, they've been there
51:48
they've always been here, you know, they aint gone anywhere
51:50
and so where did we go? We you know, we the ones that
51:54
left I think so. Yeah, we went off the deep end
52:00
there for a while. Man.
52:01
That's some of us still are. I think this there's some of us
52:03
out I hear that. But listen and watch my stuff
52:06
that are, you know, you know, the Universalist BS is back or
52:11
the larper is back again, just because of what I wear or, you
52:14
know, the the symbols and things that I have.
52:16
Well, you know, that's not really Heathen, right?
52:18
But what does it matter? I mean, I know it's not but
52:20
it's, you know, just Have you have you gotten your hands dirty
52:25
lately? You know, I mean have you worked
52:26
the land? Have you have, you known what it
52:28
is to go through the ordeal to earn your next meal.
52:32
Are you, are you just sitting behind a keyboard?
52:34
You know, bitching at me, for no reason.
52:38
Yeah. There's some benefit to, you
52:40
know, historical relevance or sure is the sort of novelty to,
52:47
you know, the idea of like, oh, well, this is the same tool that
52:50
they used and you can recreate that thing.
52:52
Or whatever. But you know conversely if it
52:55
makes you feel good and right and what you're doing as long as
52:58
it's not hurting somebody else, no one cares.
53:01
Like I've got good. You know, the this guy is
53:05
perfect example. The my Soundwave.
53:11
It was the reproduction. Yeah, it did right.
53:14
When I was a kid, I always wanted to sound wave.
53:16
It never got one and no, it's not an original sound wave, but
53:20
it looks like it. It makes me feel good.
53:22
Shut up, right. And then let people have some
53:24
fun, you know? But let people enjoy their life,
53:27
which short life we have, as, you know, and it gets, you say,
53:31
if you're not hurting, anybody, leave, well enough alone.
53:34
And I have to, I have to remind myself that a lot of times too.
53:36
Because I mean, it's hard not to especially with Social media and
53:41
being a content creator myself on social media, saying it's
53:45
hard to not. Take the bike or take the bait
53:50
at times when you see things in just want to run away with with
53:55
conversations and things. I got to keep telling myself
53:59
that, you know, and sometimes I'm like well maybe I'll
54:01
actually give him something to think about and they'll learn
54:03
something or event and then I go.
54:04
Nope, not again. Nope.
54:07
Out this time didn't I didn't work the last time and and you
54:10
know, but I still, I fall victim to it.
54:12
I'm even more recently. Now I guess it's trying to Help,
54:19
you know what I mean? Like when you see, when you see,
54:21
people just doing things that are detrimental to not just
54:24
themselves, but to others and people being Miss fed
54:27
information and it's hard not to it is, it's hard not to just go
54:32
in there and be like, but stop just stop.
54:36
Here's why you should stop correcting dangerous, right?
54:40
Right. I mean, it's, you know, I mean,
54:42
I'm all for people, you know, like you were saying before, if
54:44
it's not hurting anybody else. But quite literally, the things
54:46
that people Bowlers are talking about and pushing or as fact or
54:50
whatever. I mean this is dangerous stuff.
54:52
Like you are you are propagating hatred and things of people and
54:57
that's like, I don't like that and I don't want to see people
54:59
being misinformed and thinking that it has to do with, you
55:04
know, Heathen or your paganism. But you know you're not going to
55:08
you're not going to get through to everybody and That's just the
55:11
way it is. So I then, you know, I got go
55:13
through those spells or those Cycles sometimes and then I
55:16
realized that's why I like the woods so much.
55:19
That's why I like walking in the river so much because I don't
55:21
get that shit out here man. Like, I can get myself lost in
55:24
the woods, or in the trees, and in the river.
55:26
And it's like, ah yeah. So now this is this is it trees.
55:29
Don't care where you're from with that Bobcat will eat you,
55:32
no matter what color, right? Right.
55:34
You know, the rivers going to carry you, I was I don't know if
55:38
you're a Lord of the Rings. It's fan Tolkien fan, but like,
55:43
kind of you seen the dam has on prying rings of power.
55:46
I started watching it and then I got that, I find that I do this
55:52
thing, where I'll start watching the show, and then I'll get
55:56
essentially distracted, I'll have something else that comes
55:58
up and let me go show them. Oh yeah, Lord of the Rings of
56:03
power. Then, of course, House of
56:04
dragons, came along, came along with it.
56:08
Yeah, there was a there was like a there was some In in that
56:11
series, The Rings of power because it made me think, and
56:16
I'm and I'm blanking on the exact terminology but the
56:20
númenóreans, you know, they, they were, they were an Island
56:23
City. The new numenor in the Tolkien
56:26
Laura, right? That it was an Island City.
56:27
So I all the people that were there.
56:29
It was, you know, the sea was a very prominent part of their
56:33
life. And there was like, this, this
56:36
line or something talking about how, you know, the see just the
56:40
See rules basically was was the line and I'm forgetting the
56:43
exact verbiage behind it, but the singer talking about, yeah.
56:47
Where they're like, sitting standing on that boat and they
56:49
all say it together but it's like it's a, it sounds cool.
56:52
And it's a mantra but like it, that's the wild, the woods, the
56:55
river, the mountains, I mean it's the regulars on the for the
57:00
Bobcat don't care what color your skin is, I mean your food
57:04
your prey, right? Like in so it doesn't matter.
57:07
Nature is unforgiving in nature is just that Unbiased, you know
57:12
what I'm saying? Like, there's no experience that
57:14
sometime in a way. That's not dangerous.
57:17
Don't eat breakfast. Don't know what you're doing.
57:20
Go for a four-hour. Walk in the forest and then when
57:25
you get hungry, try to find something to eat.
57:28
Yeah. Because nature does not give a
57:30
shit, right? Yep.
57:33
That's that. We have.
57:34
We as a species have carved out. Of nature of how we live.
57:42
We live our lives. It's connected because of the
57:46
nature of the way, everything develops.
57:47
But the nature is Relentless. And I don't want to say
57:54
uncaring, but that's probably accurate, right?
57:57
Life feeds on life and as far as most of the things are
58:00
concerned. It doesn't care which life it
58:02
is. If you've got the teeth to eat
58:03
it drop. Yeah.
58:06
It's, you know, in And if you look at it from a cultural way
58:12
like how the how the northern European tribes and the Germanic
58:16
tribes realized it was you know the outside anything that was
58:21
outside of the sanctuary of the inner yard, right?
58:25
The The Village okay the tribe the Clans and all that like that
58:29
was safe. That was there was lawful Miss
58:31
there was order. There was protection.
58:33
What happened outside? The the the you can guard the
58:36
outer layer, the outer world, right?
58:38
Outer yard. There was no law, it's outlawry.
58:41
It's the what the law of the Jungle basically, right?
58:44
Like it, just whatever happens happens.
58:45
And when you put yourself into that situation, your subject to
58:50
its rules, that's the, you know, the the we versus they the human
58:57
the, the too kind of critical biggest points.
59:01
There's it, you know, the saying about how we carved out?
59:08
Our, our existence out of nature, right?
59:10
We did so because we are such an aggressively social species and
59:17
the the way that we carved our, our civilization out of the
59:22
Wilds is twofold. One through that aggressive
59:26
socialization. We tend to band together and
59:29
will generally want to help one another because we understand it
59:33
like, you know, basic lizard, brain that we fare better when
59:37
there's more. Us.
59:38
And then the second component there and it goes back to, I
59:43
guess the kind of the core of this conversation and that is
59:46
that the, our understanding of the, how we carved our
59:53
civilization out, this is our ability to, you know, not have
59:58
to go chase down food and we're able to devote more of our time
1:00:03
to intellectual and Leisure Pursuits because of our ability.
1:00:08
T to produce food, right? And do it in quantities.
1:00:11
That mean that we don't have to go rooting through the forest to
1:00:14
find a plan to eat. We've got it in our backyard and
1:00:18
it's that that understanding of a cycles of Nature and the
1:00:22
ritual ization of the actions that you have to take to, to
1:00:29
grow that food in the backyard that became part of, you know,
1:00:33
the religion and then the linkage to deity, I think.
1:00:38
Is, you know, our search for something greater than ourselves
1:00:42
and where do you find it? So up to the individual but
1:00:45
acknowledging that the science behind, you know kind of the
1:00:51
foundations of our very civilization is our ability to
1:00:55
make food and the The way that pre-industrial civilizations
1:01:05
maintained that knowledge was through ritual.
1:01:08
Sure. And, and I guess the, the Crux
1:01:13
of it is, right? If you and find that linkage
1:01:17
between the practical application in the ritual, then
1:01:20
the ritual becomes much more meaningful and it stops being
1:01:23
something. Esoteric.
1:01:24
And ephemeral? Yeah, you say like, it's almost
1:01:28
like putting a face to the name. Name.
1:01:29
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
1:01:33
And so much of that has, you know, I was thinking the other
1:01:36
day, how, you know, all of these gods and goddesses that we read
1:01:39
about in the mythology and the lore and how people want to
1:01:43
begin put so much focus on that aspect of it.
1:01:46
But why right? What was, you know, that the
1:01:49
common people at the time? You know, worship.
1:01:52
Odin, not really. That was the for the nobility,
1:01:56
for the aristocracy aristocracy, you know, the royalty, you know,
1:02:01
get the golden was a god of Kings.
1:02:02
Spray-tanned, whereas Freire and Thor, where the god of gods of
1:02:07
the Common People, the working class, the people who, you know,
1:02:11
again didn't have the Royal courts and all that stuff, the
1:02:15
nobility the royalty to fall, back on.
1:02:18
They had to appeal to those gods for good crops and things.
1:02:24
And they, they put the work in. And then again connected what
1:02:27
they were doing and how good it was versus how bad it was to
1:02:31
whether or not. Not they made their gods happy
1:02:34
or the spirits of the land happy.
1:02:36
And again, working in that ritual aspect to, to ensure that
1:02:40
they could survive the winter. Yeah, that's the, you know, the
1:02:47
I don't know what the deity of cow dung in the soil is but make
1:02:53
sure you make that guy happen. Yeah, it's probably fair but
1:02:59
that's probably Fair. I'll get you know that the whole
1:03:01
like fertility thing. Ng.
1:03:04
That, you know. Yes, it was, you know, that one
1:03:07
of the things that we always see in and says, is imagery was, you
1:03:10
know, very phallic very, you know, rock hard kind of thing.
1:03:14
But, you know, he's probably taking some rich dumps to, to
1:03:17
get the to keep the ground. Well, don't, you know?
1:03:22
Yeah, yeah. And I doubt the North Hill whole
1:03:26
lot of septic systems. No, probably just, you know, a
1:03:30
hole that you had a dig somewhere outside of the
1:03:32
village, you know, you just squatted over us.
1:03:34
Stump or something, man. You know and just Man wild times
1:03:38
but I'm really glad that we got a chance to talk more about this
1:03:41
and I hope that you know, conversations like this can
1:03:45
spark some conversations with other people as well because it
1:03:48
doesn't end here it's a conversation starter and people
1:03:52
that listen and watch, you know, wherever you are wherever you
1:03:55
guys are, you know, we hope that if you're able to and find a
1:04:01
purpose in and again, I want to go back to the finding of a
1:04:04
purpose. I mean if you don't find purpose
1:04:06
in it in, You know, not everybody has to be everything,
1:04:09
you know, but this is one of those things where I think if
1:04:12
everybody was more like, this than you would probably find a
1:04:16
richer quality of life, a better quality of life.
1:04:19
So if you find purpose behind what Phillip and I are talking
1:04:22
about here today than, you know, look to implement it into your
1:04:27
Lifestyles and see how your Relationship with the gods
1:04:32
Blossom and flourish as well. You know, so many things that I
1:04:36
think pagans get get, they get they get like find they find
1:04:42
themselves in this rut or at a dead end of, you know I feel
1:04:45
like I'm disconnected with the gods or I don't feel like I'm as
1:04:47
connected with the gods anymore. Well man, you know, the gods are
1:04:51
way too heck out here in the sacred Realms, right?
1:04:56
What are you doing to get connected back to the things
1:04:58
that are literally right under your feet.
1:05:01
And when you do that, Watch What Happens, watch how you just
1:05:04
inherently become. You those feelings of closeness
1:05:09
return? Yeah, because they're right, you
1:05:15
know, even if you're not I've talked about this a lot to even
1:05:18
if you're not toiling, the landing and growing things.
1:05:21
Just getting your body connected to the ground, right?
1:05:25
Barefoot anchored into the ground walking through the
1:05:27
grass. Walking through the river, just
1:05:30
getting your bare skin. Back to that you'll be you'll
1:05:35
feel charge. You'll fear, you'll feel Sized
1:05:38
when I was working, excuse me, I was working on the farm, it's
1:05:41
hard work, it's laborious, it's but it's rewarding, and it's
1:05:47
enriching. And when at the end of the day,
1:05:48
when you're done, doing that kind of work.
1:05:50
Yes, you're tired. But it's, you don't feel like
1:05:53
mentally drained. You feel just fulfilled and
1:05:56
ready to rest and regroup and start that cycle?
1:05:59
Again, it's a good feeling and it can be cathartic.
1:06:05
The yes, go go. I'm from a, you know, walking
1:06:10
into a patch of land, especially, you know, with these
1:06:15
weeds everywhere, right? Spend three hours on your hands
1:06:17
and knees pulling those things up.
1:06:18
And you turn around you. Look at it at the end.
1:06:20
Yeah, your shoulders are sore but you're like, damn, that
1:06:22
looks so much better. So much better.
1:06:25
And for guys like us, dude, I don't know about you, but like,
1:06:27
specially when you're looking at a computer screen all day and oh
1:06:30
yeah, I mean youkai height. Like my wife is like, you know,
1:06:33
what do you want to go to? I'm like, I just want to get out
1:06:35
of the house. I want to go walk.
1:06:37
I just want to breathe fresh air.
1:06:39
Not look at any sort of Technology.
1:06:42
Yeah, you know and pull ourselves away from because it's
1:06:45
around us all the time, it's everywhere.
1:06:46
It's in our pockets man. It's just all over us.
1:06:49
We've got to give ourselves that time to just disconnect And then
1:06:55
reconnect to what what what's meaningful it is.
1:06:59
And I think that goes you know kind of links back to Port
1:07:01
earlier part of the conversation, right?
1:07:03
The with the easy access to food, we can get your can can
1:07:09
commit to much more. You know, intellectual Pursuits
1:07:11
and that people end up with them.
1:07:14
A lot of jobs that are very cerebrally focused and you do
1:07:18
you get at the end of that, you're just like I'm tired of
1:07:21
thinking about these complex abstract thoughts It's about you
1:07:26
know the this technology and you know that governance framework
1:07:29
these compliance things that, you know, ticketing system,
1:07:33
whatever that if they get out and do something physical, mind
1:07:38
your brain and your body is there.
1:07:40
I like that. Remind your brain that your body
1:07:43
is there. That's a good way of putting it.
1:07:45
Yeah, I think that's a great. No sir.
1:07:47
Yeah. And and trademark that will sell
1:07:50
thousands. I'll be here.
1:07:53
Yeah, I like that. I think that's a good note to
1:07:58
wrap this up on so if you don't mind just hang out for a second.
1:08:01
So I can just, you know, bid you farewell.
1:08:04
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1:08:32
time out of your busy life to come.
1:08:34
And talk. It was really, really fun and
1:08:35
educational for me. So thank you for, for all of
1:08:37
that skull, the viewers. Absolutely, yes.
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