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Why Kevin Chung Interviews Authors Nobody's Heard Of (On Purpose) · Let's Talk Podcasts from Feminist Podcasters Collective

• Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (00:00) Hello, how are you, Kevin? Kevin Chung (00:01) Hi, I'm doing great. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (00:03) All right, we're gonna try viewing this page and just see. I don't know. Well, we're trying, it looks like we're live on YouTube and hopefully we're live on Substack. And if not, I will release this on Substack separately. But thanks for joining me. I'm doing these conversations with members of the podcast collective to just chat about podcasting and see where they go. I don't know, I just think it'd be interesting to shine a light a little more on what you all do and also on our community. So before we get into anything though, Kevin, can you just complete the sentence? Tell us the reason I podcast. Kevin Chung (00:33) Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me on first and foremost. the reason that I podcast is to talk to amazing creative people, especially those who don't get the spotlight, because anyone can have a podcast and interview somebody who's super famous or has a large audience or any of those sorts of things. But what I like to do is find people that I meet across the internet and see what they do creatively. That is interesting. that is the origins of it. And then I have a podcast now on what authors are doing similar in a similar vein. And then a third one, I'm s sort of in and out of these, is ⁓ reinventing yourself. So I'm writing a book, a memoir about reinventing myself. So I decided why don't I talk to people who have reinvented themselves? you you're part of that as well. We didn't talk about that in that series, but I think almost every creative person I know has reinvented themselves in some way, in some capacity. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (01:31) Yeah. So to perfect. You get to talk to people that it gives you an excuse, really, if nothing else, to have conversations with cool people. And that's one of the reasons I love podcasting as well. So it totally makes sense to me. Can you tell us so you've meant to and mentioned reinventing yourself, is that a podcast name? Kevin Chung (01:47) It's called Standout Reinventions and it's hosted through right now it's just through Substack. It's just live interviews. Or if I interview somebody ⁓ who is not on Substack, I can just post those, but they're all mostly hosted on on Substack at this point. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (01:53) Okay. Cause 'cause you do so you do Standout Creatives, which is its own podcast, and then Standout Authors, which I know you do through Substack. Does it also have a podcast feed? Kevin Chung (02:10) It does not. So I'm putting anything through the main feed and not worrying about creating a bunch of different feeds. I don't want to have to deal with it. And I'm not posting everything to the main feed. I'm posting anybody who is not on Substack on there because otherwise there's no platform to give them. so I I hosts the file on Spotify and then I embed that file onto the Substack. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (02:16) That makes sense. So when did you start with standout creatives? Cause that's where it began, right? So when did you start that show? Kevin Chung (02:37) I actually had a podcast way back in 2016 or 17, I think. And it was called Cracking Creativity. And I was talking to creative people to see what it is that makes them creative, what they've done in their creative space. And we often think of creative people as someone who's a painter or a writer or you know, any of these sorts of traditionally creative fields. But what I found that Anyone has the capacity to be creative, and I wanted to show people what you could do to be creative yourself, even if you don't consider yourself a creative person. that was and then I stopped that after close to 100 episodes, I think. I didn't quite reach it, I don't think. I was very close because I I got burnt out. And in 2024, after the election in the US, my wife and I were talking about. what would it be like to move somewhere, maybe if we want to. And that essentially set up this whole thing of reinvention where I moved to Costa Rica, which I've been here now for just over a year. June 1st of this year was my one year here. and during that same time period of thinking about moving, I decided if I want to leave my job and they do not offer me something like contract work. What can I do to make income for myself that is not attached to anything that is related to that job? And so I restarted the podcast on creativity, but this time I focused on how I can help creative business owners instead of just a general audience with their creative businesses and exploring the way that other creative people have done their business. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (04:08) And that's so then that became standout creatives. Kevin Chung (04:12) Yeah, so I essentially just took over the cracking creativity feed. I'd repurposed it. I moved it from LibSyn, yeah, to to captivate and just started publishing. I just made an announcement. I'm like, I'm restarting. This is the new focus, whatever. And essentially just hijacked it. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (04:16) Rebranded. Yeah. And when did standout authors get added? Kevin Chung (04:31) I believe it was the beginning of this year or the end of last year. I don't remember exactly when the first episode aired, but relatively recently. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (04:35) Like the end of Lash. Yeah. And why separate that out instead of it just being the same thing? Kevin Chung (04:44) because then I can target people more easily. So if I said creatives and I want to target authors to work with, that's the the the people I'm trying to help at this point in my my stage of creative business owning. if I want to do that, I need a more specific show. So I started off wanting to work with many creative people with their their marketing and stuff, but but decided that was very difficult. To message to people like that when you're talking about such a broad bucket. So I just chose one for authors because you don't necessarily need to have video presence or any sort of those sorts of things. There's Substack as a good platform based for authors, and Threads has a lot of authors. So there's a lot of different places where you can find those sorts of people. And I just made the decision. And it actually has encouraged me to write my own book and write fiction as well. So it's just been this whole journey of interesting connections and it's not been a linear path at all. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (05:40) Exciting. Yeah. So to standout creatives, are you still doing it or are you only doing standout authors now? Kevin Chung (05:50) I am doing both. If I meet interesting people who are creatives, they're not authors, I I should still want to interview them and see, especially people in the bookish space who aren't necessarily authors themselves. So they could be an illustrator, they could be like a book coach, they could be any of these sorts of kind of related things and tie them back to authorship in some capacity is the ultimate goal. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (06:12) Mm-hmm. And you're using Substack. And obviously we're doing this. And I checked, it is live on Substack. We're doing this on Substack. Yeah, I know. Yay. Hopefully that's it's all good. because and I host a couple of newsletters there. And you I have conflicted feelings about Substack. I think most people who aren't pro Nazi have some pretty conflicted feelings about Substack. And yet it is a platform, unlike most of what's out there. and so I think for podcasters though specifically, Substack still remains kind of this do I Kevin Chung (06:19) Nice. yeah. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (06:41) Do I go there? Do I not? How do I use that with my with my podcast? So what has you, I know you're targeting writers and a lot of writers are on Substack. So that's part of it, I'm sure, a big part of it. But what is it about the using Substack? Cause you do a lot of live recording like this. I don't. So obviously it's my first one of my first times. but what is it that appeals to you about that versus more of the traditional kind of report, record your podcast, edit it? Kevin Chung (07:01) Mm-hmm. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (07:08) Put it out in the podcast feed. What is it that you like about this approach you're doing now? Kevin Chung (07:12) Yeah. So when I was originally doing that show way back in in 2016, there was there's nothing like Substack around. So I was doing the thing where I posted to the feed. And what I found was that you don't get a lot of feedback when you do that. Like it's very difficult to get people to to visit a page unless you're you're very good at convincing people that you can help them in a very specific way. and that's usually for like people like coaches and stuff where you're Helping them with a specific task. And when you don't get a lot of feedback, it's hard to say what you're doing is making a difference. You can see download numbers, you can see where these people are, but you don't really get a sense of what do people think about this? You can add one of those things like SpeakPipe, where you ask people to submit their questions. But ⁓ if people don't submit, then what are you supposed to do? So one of the great things about Substack is. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (07:55) Yeah. Kevin Chung (08:03) a lot of people will consume in the platform itself and they will interact. So there's a lot of interaction with people. When you do lives, people will jump in and ask questions. You get feedback, people leave comments on the post. If it's all hosted there, you can get all those sorts of things. That's one thing. The second is you get email addresses from people, and that's probably one of the most valuable things that you can get, not only as a podcaster, as a business owner. But just anyone who is trying to build an audience, it's really the best way to keep in touch. Say Substack potentially goes away. You still have those email addresses. Say you want to move to a different platform, you still have those email addresses. So those are probably the two biggest reasons. And three, ⁓ just the people who are on there are amazing. Like the community is being built there, aside from the Nazi stuff, obviously. but if you if we stopped. Going to the places that supported those sorts of people, there would be nowhere left to go. You can literally not go anywhere. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, all of these places, unless you're doing it all yourself on your own platform. there's there's no doubt that those types of people exist there. So the best thing we can do is try to make it the best place that we can together to overcome those voices. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (09:03) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I I'm with you on that. I mean, they're everywhere. And if our country has shown nothing at this point, that's we know that. so yeah, but I always think it's important just to mention the like we we acknowledge and understand there are challenges with this platform, but like you said, there are with all platforms. When you think about using Substack in the way you're using it, like I love that you mentioned email because that's one of those things when marketers, especially, and you're you do marketing, so this makes sense, will talk about podcasting. They're well, it's It's a great platform for nurturing and things like that, but it it's not necessarily your best top-of-funnel marketing technique because you're not capturing emails. Like there's no way to know who you're speaking to or how to engage with them specifically. You want to get people get their emails so that you can actually speak directly with people. And then you can use the podcast, sort of that next level down, to point them to a place where they get to know you more, have that longer-term relationship with you. But Substack does offer that unique way of sort of making that top of funnel where it's got the discoverability and you're able to capture those leads onto your email list and then also nurture. So it's kind of handling all of that, which is really exciting. But are there things about it that maybe because I know they're still working on the podcast part of what they do? It's not their primary function, I don't think they would say. I think it's, you know, first and foremost for writers doing writing. But they are working on trying to really make podcasting a bigger piece of what they do. Are there things that you still wish that it could do or things that you're like, mm, I do think when I think about the way I used to podcast, maybe this part was a little better or anything like that. Like is it leave anything to the that's not quite good enough yet? Kevin Chung (10:53) Yeah, since I'm not actually hosting the podcast, I'm really just embedding and or hosting the live videos. there's not a whole lot on the podcast side of Substack, like the subscription fee and all that, the RSS where you upload your RSS link into and it automatically pulls. Since I'm not doing that, there's not a whole lot. I can kind of tailor the recording or whatever it is that I'm doing to fit the needs of whatever the post is. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (10:58) Mm. Kevin Chung (11:20) In the way that I'm doing it right now is I'm just pulling a bunch of I'm pulling the transcript and like some notes and having ⁓ Claude help me decide what the main talking points are because I don't want to have to either re-listen to the thing or read the whole transcript and figure out what to say. So it really just helps streamline that. And one that was one of the biggest issues when I had my first podcast. I was manually editing from scratch. So I was listening to the whole thing. I was manually writing down. transcript quotes to put into my show notes. And I was writing notes as I did it. So it was just like a such a long process that didn't seem to provide the results that you would expect for that much work. so having something help you with those sorts of things is definitely something I advocate for. especially if you do some tailoring and have it match your voice. You can do as much or as little as you want to help you ⁓ do that. So it's up to each podcaster, I guess, to decide whether or not it makes sense. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (12:17) I mean, I started podcasting around the same time as you, 2016, 2017, somewhere in there. And I, you know, recording on Zoom, then taking it into I use instead of GarageBand, I use iMovie, but either way, taking into a platform there where you then had to go through this really arduous editing process and then pay some service like rev.com or something for transcripts and then having to go through all of that, pulling out the quotes, writing the show notes. Like it was a really long process pre-AI tools that are now integrated into things like I'm using we're using Riverside to record this and then also can easily push it out live in a couple of places. It's gonna generate a transcript for me. It it creates some clips I can use. Like so much of that is reduced now, whether you're doing it through Substack or somewhere else, that friction point is gone. And I'm bringing all that like Kevin Chung (12:44) Mm. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (13:10) reiterating what you're saying because one of the things you said early on that I wanted to talk about was burnout. That the reason you sort of that first iteration of your podcast, you were like, I gotta push the brakes here was burnout. Was it because of all of that stuff? Or is there something else that has made it easier for you as you've been going on and doing podcasting long? Kevin Chung (13:28) yeah, all of that was definitely I was like doing all of that and I wasn't I was actually at that point in time trying to help artists with their marketing and what I found in that journey, that was kind of why I started the podcast to help those people discover what you can learn from other creatives. And this was something I've talked about before, but I I tried to launch a course because everyone did at in those days, and it did not work at all. I got like crickets and like I did all of this like just to set up this way that I can help people and I got nothing. I'm just gonna I'm gonna stop and see if I want to come back at any point, right? And it was only ⁓ I think I stopped in twenty nineteen. So it took until twenty twenty four to really decide, yeah, this is something I wanna attempt to do again. So there's so much work that goes into podcasting. Back then. And now that Riverside is here and some of these other things that you can use, it makes it like infinitely easier to release a podcast. And I think we can overlook the fact that AI is like this evil thing that is used to steal. And it can be, right? Obviously it can be. And there are some environmental concerns. But is it always on the consumer to decide? We have to stop this ourselves. Is there not a way for us as a society to make the people who are in charge of helping society run better? Get those people to make the changes that we want versus on and every single individual deciding collectively, because it's very hard to get a bunch of people to agree on anything, especially on something like this, where some people use it, some people don't use it. Is it good? Is it bad? Is it good for environment? Is it Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (15:04) Right. Kevin Chung (15:11) Destroying us is our way to mitigate all that. So there's like so much that goes into all these things. But you have the decision to to make on whether or not you want to use the tools that are available to you. And at this point, I think by default, almost everything is using AI in some capacity. So there's no way around it. It's just how much do you want to take on in addition to what companies are essentially forcing you to do. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (15:33) Yeah. Well, we can't even as humans all agree that the earth is in fact round. So like there's no way we're gonna agree on all of this. And and we don't need to go too far down this rabbit hole either, in the same way that you know there are many people for whom Substack is a no-go because of the platforming of Nazis, and I also a hundred percent agree and understand. And am you in the same thing with AI, many people who are saying I'm completely abstaining for all of the reasons that it's bad, and I also completely understand that. But I'm like you, or it's sort of this middle ground of how do we each individually come up with our own ethical codes around those things, finding ways to operate within systems that are broken, knowing that when the systems are broken, it's not up to individuals or that not even not up to, but individuals can't change or fix the systems. It's about collective action, and that's more about. Who we are voting into power and all of those sorts of things. But this is the I mean, and and I love that we're yeah, it is probably probably for some of my other podcasts where we love to have those conversations, but I do think it's great that you're mentioning it because one thing it does sort of come to is the podcast collective. So feminist podcast collective, which you're a member of and you're one of the only men, which and I love the fact that you're like, Yeah, I sign me up for something that's called feminists because men should be feminists. Kevin Chung (16:27) Whole whole different giant discussion around all of that. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (16:50) And so we could talk about that if you want, but it's more about the fact that we are all folks who are navigating these conversations in the podcasting space, whether it's about Substack and those ethics, AI and those ethics and other things, knowing that we all have a shared value set around humanity, humans, the planet, all of that. And also knowing that we're operating inside of broken systems and what do we do with that information. So for people who are also, you know. wrestling with those things. What has being part of a community that shares that value set? Like what does that do for you personally and then just in your podcasting journey? Kevin Chung (17:27) Yeah. I mean, the community has been incredible. I think. There's so many communities that you can join and you can just be like a person in a giant group. We're both part of one of those where it's like very hard to to build like actual community. It feels like when you're in bigger communities, everyone has less of a voice. And it's very hard to to really build those sorts of relationships unless you make the active choice to do that. But I love the way that you've Built this community in order for everyone to get to know each other. We actually know for the most part most of the people who come in. We've usually talked to each other outside of the collective as well. And there's so many things built to help people overcome something that is and can be a very individual endeavor. Even though you have hosts, you you can have a co-host or you can have guests. It's still if you're the person that's like in charge of upkeeping the thing. There's so much that goes into it and there's so much that we can learn from everybody. Whether you've been doing it for like fifteen, twenty years since the beginning, or if you just started and you're you're trying to learn it from scratch. I think everybody can learn something from everyone. And I think the types of people that you encourage to join are amazing because of the shared values and all the things that have been set in place, which is one of those great things that When you say things up front, you detract the people who shouldn't belong there anyways because they're not gonna like it, you're not gonna like it, it's hard to manage all of this stuff. So I think you've built a beautiful space for people to really learn and grow together as podcasters. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (19:01) Thanks. Okay. So we'll thank you. And I what wanted to share about the community because part of this conversation is to make sure people know about the amazing kinds of folks that are inside the podcast collective. So if you're a podcaster and looking for a community space, but a space with a shared value set around, you know, trying to create a more equitable, just world, then check out Feminist Podcast Collective. Now I want to go back. I just put that in there because I felt like it was a right time to talk about it. But something else that I wanted to explore quickly with you too is around perfectionism because you're Kevin Chung (19:24) Perfect. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (19:29) Doing almost all of your podcast recording at this point. Almost all of them are done live. Like you're doing Substack Lives for probably, I would guess like ninety percent or more of your podcast interviews at this point, am I right? Kevin Chung (19:40) It's it's probably like seventy-five percent of my podcasts are being done live. I Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (19:42) Yeah. Yeah. And then so that that for at least those who show up live to the recordings, I'm assuming if you wanted to, maybe you could then edit after. But it's raw, it's real. This is what it looks like, right? Because you're showing up just saying, come watch me record. And if I want to clean it up later, I can. Maybe you do or maybe you don't. But for some people that can be scary. Cause I think one of the things that sometimes keeps people from podcasting or that may leads to some of the burnout is that need for the podcast to seem so perfect. Cause they're watching the many other celebrity podcasts that have the fancy studios and the lights and the producers and the, you know, amazing mics and and sound quality and everything. And they're comparing themselves against that. And I think that's holding a lot of people back. And so just talk to me a little bit about like the experience of going live and how you've been adjusting to that, like having to just sort of let it be what it is. Kevin Chung (20:36) Yeah. It's just so funny because I think the first live that I did was with one of the other members, Heather Vickery. And then my second one was with Nicole Havelka. And that was like right before I moved, which was around somewhere between April and June of 2025. And I didn't I had no plans to go live or do anything live at that point in time. It was just like Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (20:55) Mm-hmm. Kevin Chung (21:01) Okay, this this was kind of fun. There was people that may or may not have joined. But it was, I think, towards the end of last year or the beginning of this year, I decided there's so many cool people. They have audiences here that are built and they can bring in my audience. There's a lot of people in my audience that show up consistently. And it's not a lot of people, but I see the same handful of four or five people that show up. For some of them or if I if they don't show up live, they they will comment on the recording. So I think lives are a great way to be connected with people, especially if your person has an audience that wants to know more from them, but they don't want to necessarily do something like a QA, because it's very weird I've found to do live QAs where you're just talking into the the thing, like the the camera. I've tried to do like solo episodes and they're just like too weird for me. I need somebody to look at and talk to. So I think ⁓ having people there is to encourage you and then they you see the little hearts pop up and you don't never expect it because why would anybody be watching me at like 12 o'clock on a Monday to talk about this? So it's I think lives are a great raw format. And for the most part, I don't do anything with the live. As far as editing goes, I've let the life speak for itself and just allow people to to see it as it happened. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (22:23) Yeah. I think it's a I I honestly think it's such a wonderful challenge and a great idea for particularly new people to podcasting who are like, I don't know if I want to do podcasting. I don't know if I want to take on the work. I don't whatever. Like just to try setting a sub sub setting up a sub stack and doing some lives and just see how you even feel. Like do a live interview and see, do I like this? Because it it feels like a really low stakes way to try out podcasting without Having to go through all the other pieces of set, you know, getting your podcast set up somebody with a host and getting it all set to go distribute to all the places. So I love that you're just like, yeah, let's let's just have a real conversation and let that be good enough. Because I just think I, you know, we love so many of the celebrity podcasts, and I think that the polish and stuff that they're bringing is can be harmful or can really hold back some marginalized voices. That are comparing themselves and their resourcing and and we need those voices. And I know you know that because your standout authors is really focused on highlighting the voices that are underrecognized, that aren't getting heard. So I just want to before I go into the last like two short things, what's important to you about highlighting those voices? Instead of using your platform, like you said, to be able to speak to big giant authors, you know, getting, I don't even know any big giant authors, John Grisham, whatever. Kevin Chung (23:43) Yeah. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (23:44) For you to say, no, I want to highlight these voices of people whose books don't get the attention that they should. What's so important about that to you? Kevin Chung (23:51) I think ⁓ it stems from myself. Like no one has giv ever given me a platform or said, here, come talk about your thing here. So I decided first I'm gonna create it for myself, just to give myself a platform to talk to people, and second to give those who also don't get a chance to do it that often a chance. Because every I think we can take the resources for granted. So some people have access to things. That other people don't, and that's not because they're better people or whatever. It's probably because they're luckier or they the it's usually luck. I think most almost everything successful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think those are tied together, luck and privilege, because you're lucky to have privilege. So I think that's like kind of the deal there. your luck was built on the fact that you had Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (24:27) Luck and privilege. There you go. Kevin Chung (24:40) resources or the access to these people or that you're not discriminated against. So I think everyone should be given some sort of platform to to really talk about the work that they're doing because no one's work is inherently better or worse than anybody else's. Obviously some can have bigger audiences, some can be more polished, some can you know, gain traction because of certain factors. But I think anyone who's trying to do creative work knows that it's very difficult not only to do the work, but to get seen doing the work. So I wanted to give authors that platform to be able to do that. And if I'm like their first interview to practice on their way to to success, that that would be a great honor. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (25:22) I love that. And just quickly, I know we have a couple of people watching live, and anyone who catches this before Wednesday. So today's Monday, the 15th, if you're watching this of June, if you host a podcast, you do not have to be a member of the Feminist Podcasters Collective to come to our pitch event on Wednesday. It's it's our Juneteenth annual Pitch Fest, where we just feature black women. So we invite only black women to come in and to pitch themselves to host podcasts to say, I would love to be a guest on your show. Because these are the folks whose voices are the least likely to be allowed onto shows, invited onto shows, welcomed onto shows. And we want to have them have more voices hearing. And because of that, to really honor saying we want to amplify these voices, it's the one time a year feminist podcasters collective invites non-members to participate in an event. So if you host a podcast and you notice that your lineup doesn't look too diverse. Please let us know because we love to have you come. You can just send me your email. You can reach out to me on Substack and I will send you the invite and you can come. It's free. You can come and just sit quietly. You don't have to be on current camera or anything. You just get to be a fly on the wall, listen to these 20 plus incredible black women pitch and hopefully have them on your shows. So definitely let me know if that's something that's of interest. Okay, Kevin, to finish up and our bestie Stephanie just logged in. So hi Steph. ⁓ Kevin Chung (26:40) ⁓ hi stuff. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (26:42) To finish up, I want to get your b the best and worst podcast advice you've ever gotten. So let's start with the worst. What's the worst podcast advice somebody's either given you or that you've just heard out there that you think that's not great advice? Kevin Chung (26:53) geez, there's so much so much bad advice out there. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (26:55) I know. It's a lot harder to come up with a good advice, I think. But go ahead, let's start with bad. There's so much. Kevin Chung (27:00) The worst podcast advice is That you probably need to share all of it on social media everywhere and to do all the things in order to get it seen and heard and around. Obviously you can do that, but ⁓ a lot of that has to do with your capacity, your willingness, your ability to do that. And most people don't. And I don't know that it has as big of an impact as people would guess. It is definitely a good way if you're comfortable. Doing that and you have enough people in your audience to benefit from it. But if you think releasing something on social media is going to build your audience for you, I don't think you know how audience building works. So that would probably be one of the biggest things is that you need to share everywhere, anywhere, ⁓ as much as you can. Obviously, the more that you do it, the the better your odds of getting found are, but it's not necessarily going to grow your audience or your business or anything like that. Inherent. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (27:57) Yeah. Definitely no guarantees and a potential recipe for burnout. So good one. And then what is the best podcast advice either that you've heard or that you would want to share just based on your own experience? Kevin Chung (28:02) Exactly. the best advice I would give is to do what you're comfortable with. What I was doing before in 2016-17 was so much. And there's a reason I stopped. So I actually now just do a standard intro outro. I used to do like customized intros and outros. And I didn't notice that it made any sort of difference at all. I don't think people care. They're just gonna jump to the conversation and see what happens. Unless you're like a big celebrity that has something interesting to say, or you do something like topics outside of the actual interview itself. So you can set up the podcast anywhere you want. That's another thing. Just do what you want. You're not bound by any rules. You don't have to interview people. You don't have to do solo episodes. You can experiment. You could do whatever you want. It's your decision to decide what your podcast is, what it should be. And you can change your formats. You can you can do all sorts of things with your podcast, which is One of the beautiful things about it is just to use it as a way to experiment, to have fun, obviously. If you're not having any fun, you're also gonna resent it. So do it how you want, have fun with it, and don't let people dictate what you do because you're the only one that's gonna decide whether or not it continues. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (29:16) I love that. And Kevin, obviously Substack's probably one of the best places to find you, but tell people where they can learn about you and your shows. Kevin Chung (29:23) Yeah, you can go to standout creative business.substack dot com. you can search for standout creatives on any of the podcast platforms, minus YouTube, I think. Standout Authors is mostly hosted on Substack and Standout Reinventions is also currently on Substack. That doesn't mean I can't spin them off at any point, but currently that's where everything is. So if you are looking for anything that I'm doing, it's gonna be found. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (29:48) I love that. I think it makes sense just keeping it in one feed instead of I think I sometimes tend to water things down by starting new feeds. And every once in a while I'm like, I shouldn't have done that. So I think keep it there. It's great. And thank you for your time today. And if you're interested in Feminist Podcasters Collective, you can go to feminist podcasters collective.com or feminist pods dot com. You can find our newsletter here, Amplify on Substack. And thank you so much for doing this, Kevin. Thanks for being part of the community and for having the conversation with me. Kevin Chung (30:13) Yeah, thanks for everything that you do. This was a lot of fun and hopefully we'll we'll grow the membership some more through these sorts of conversations because I love them. Becky Mollenkamp (she/they) (30:22) I hope so. I hope you people who are looking for a community. We are we don't bite, we're really nice people. We have great members. We've gotten a couple of new members in the last cup in the last like weeks. So very excited about that. All right. Thanks, Kevin.