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DOES BODY COUNT MATTER? · Relatables

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  Speaker 1: Coming up on Relatables.
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  Speaker 2: We're advocates for having fun into your life and our
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  Speaker 2: old intro was do what you want to do, be
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  Speaker 2: what you want to be, A sleep with who you
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  Speaker 2: want to sleep with?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we would say that bit in our heads.
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  Speaker 2: The Reliables podcast is hosted by myself, Audie Clark aka
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  Speaker 2: Mummy and my partner in crime, mister Jake Craig aka Daddy.
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  Speaker 2: You for joining us once again.
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  Speaker 1: I had to sneak in there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I did realize when I had it it
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  Speaker 2: was a bit dog. When I cut you off last time,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I was. I was asserting my dominance.
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  Speaker 1: Ha, you're proven. Who wears the pants?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, mummies always wear the pants Jake. This week we
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  Speaker 2: haven't really been hanging out that much because I went away,
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  Speaker 2: and I went away to do something that was probably
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  Speaker 2: the most challenging thing in my life.
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  Speaker 1: To this date, I think, and was it being away
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  Speaker 1: from me?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that was an added factor. Sorry, I didn't realize
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  Speaker 2: it could be. It could be, but I did run
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  Speaker 2: a fifty k Ultra marathon, very very very cool. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and for any new listeners about would have been ages
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  Speaker 2: ago six to maybe even nine months ago. It was
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  Speaker 2: close to the start of the year. Yeah, maybe nine
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  Speaker 2: months ago. Ten months ago. I challenged Jake on Patreon
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  Speaker 2: to come to an ultra marathon with me, and we
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  Speaker 2: started the journey together. I initially thought he was going
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  Speaker 2: to register for the thirty, but he did the fifty
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  Speaker 2: as well, and we both started really good.
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  Speaker 1: We were strong words. He did the fifty as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but we both were trying doing our thing. But
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately Jake got injuries because he's so old much a
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  Speaker 2: in the kneecap area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the knee doctor said some people just not built
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  Speaker 1: for running, and I was like, oh really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was a lone soldier now. But I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't phazed because Jake also isn't from like a running background,
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  Speaker 2: where I sort of do have a lot of running
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  Speaker 2: in my backlocker.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, I was getting into it. I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of devote actually, because he said you were enjoying
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  Speaker 1: it. It was like, you can get an xt ray won't
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  Speaker 1: tell me much, or you can get like a cat
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  Speaker 1: scam which is seven hundred bucks. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like running it that much yet. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't quite like it that much.
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  Speaker 2: It's honestly, the sport is quite the commitment too, because
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  Speaker 2: you think in your head, I was just running. I'll
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  Speaker 2: just buy a pair of joggers and I'm good. But
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  Speaker 2: it's like the fuel, what it does to your body joggers.
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  Speaker 2: Then you get an addiction to joggers, then socks, clothes
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  Speaker 2: like for girls. It's all like the different tides and
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  Speaker 2: the good brands LKD like allway, keep that pump whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Actually really builds up on the price. But that's besides
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  Speaker 2: the point.
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  Speaker 1: It's a more expensive thought than you would think going
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, way more expensive. Yeah, because you just think it's
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  Speaker 2: such so simple as running.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So my race was on the Thursday, and then the
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and the one h miler worth the next day,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just a different game in itself. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: thing is wild. But I wanted to bring this up too,
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  Speaker 2: because this is the first time I've experienced like my
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  Speaker 2: body and my brain is telling me I can't do something,
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  Speaker 2: but I still did it. Don't get me wrong. At
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  Speaker 2: the time, I was fucking hating my life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't think of I was thinking why did I do
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  Speaker 2: this to myself? Like, oh, yeah, one hundred percent. I'll
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  Speaker 2: run you through my race a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't asked for the exact reason of wanting to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it on here, because we've seen each other
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to actually say,
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  Speaker 1: so do you say this? You said this was the
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  Speaker 1: first time that it's been your body and your mind
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  Speaker 1: saying I can't do this, and you're pushing it through. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what about when you're trying not to come.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, your body is not like I suppose, it's a
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  Speaker 2: different way of your body is saying like I've got
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  Speaker 2: to do this. Yeah, but it's different, uncomparable. Okay, it's uncomparable.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get myself in the same boat as you
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  Speaker 1: trying to relate.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to relate around here. But okay, okay, put
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  Speaker 2: me off my game. So the race started at seven
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  Speaker 2: am with a little five or six k It was
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  Speaker 2: relatively flat, a little bit uphill and down, just your
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  Speaker 2: average running in like a trail run where like cars
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  Speaker 2: go and stuff, and that's the split everyone up.
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  Speaker 1: At the start.
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  Speaker 2: There was nine hundred people in my race, and I
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  Speaker 2: was in like the second front pack. Yeah, nine hundred people.
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  Speaker 2: So we started the race first six k I'm feeling good.
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  Speaker 1: I knew.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to start really slow because it's
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  Speaker 2: a long race. I was running like five minutes five
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  Speaker 2: minute thirty pace, which is pretty relatively slow for me.
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  Speaker 2: Just on the for the flat mate, I was just
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  Speaker 2: for that's get off the stage. On the flat, I
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  Speaker 2: hear mey is quick, hear me, hear me out. But
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  Speaker 2: that's on flat okay, flat flat flat five thirty is
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  Speaker 2: pretty like I'm just like taking it easy. I'm feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: And then I don't know, sort of a drelline takes
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  Speaker 2: over and the next I think it was six six
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  Speaker 2: kilometers to seventeen kilometers, so that twelve kilometers in the
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  Speaker 2: middle was straight downhill down, I don't know what one
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  Speaker 2: of the Koziosco mountains. Yeah, and it's like just down
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  Speaker 2: trails which is like jagged steps and like stones and
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  Speaker 2: it's not like flat ground. And I was feeling great, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, Dragones was taken over too, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, let's go. And I was in
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  Speaker 2: like a little pack, so I sort of had to
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  Speaker 2: run with him because if I slowed down, like people
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  Speaker 2: would have to overtake me. And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got to
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  Speaker 2: seventeen k's I was feeling good and that was the
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  Speaker 2: first checkpoint where I saw my girlfriend who was crawling
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  Speaker 2: meat and I was like, yeah, I'm feeling good. I
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  Speaker 2: was quick on the checkpoint, got some like food and shit,
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  Speaker 2: giving back out there. Yeah, yeah, get me back out there.
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  Speaker 2: The sun was coming out, but and I was feeling
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  Speaker 2: a bit hot because I was wearing I was wearing
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  Speaker 2: black and my black hat just didn't breathe. But feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: Then seventeen to twenty five was still like feeling decent,
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  Speaker 2: and that was more of just rolling hills. And there
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  Speaker 2: was a checkpoint at twenty five and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh fuck, I'm suing to feel like shit. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't fitness wise. It was fatiguing my legs. So
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  Speaker 2: twenty five and then it was twenty six to thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight was the next checkpoint. So how many twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: To thirty eight, So you did so it was a
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  Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty eight. Yeah, technically six to thirty eight, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's over, that's a twelve CA's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that that twelve k's is the hardest twelve
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  Speaker 2: k's I've ever done in my life. WHOA Like I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even run, like, no joke, my legs, my hamstrings
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  Speaker 2: just started to burn, like the sensation was like I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know how to explain. It was like they
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  Speaker 2: were almost falling off. Like literally. It wasn't because it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't from My fitness was fine, ye, but it was
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  Speaker 2: the impact and not very much training in the trails
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  Speaker 2: and the naivety of going downhill so quickly, like my
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  Speaker 2: hamstrings just couldn't cap my weight.
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  Speaker 1: So you think, would you have been in a better
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  Speaker 1: place if you did try to slow down on the downhill? Ye?
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  Speaker 2: One hundre percent? Okay you to Loe, Yeah, one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Would I would have gone so on the downhills?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't going that fast, like
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  Speaker 2: I slowed down a lot, Like it wasn't like I
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  Speaker 2: was still running heaps.
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  Speaker 1: I would have just gone slow because I was scared
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  Speaker 1: of fall.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think adrealine did take over. But honestly, so
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  Speaker 2: that those hills were rolling, I couldn't even like people
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  Speaker 2: were walking. Everyone was walking. Yeah, because they were just
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  Speaker 2: rolling hills. People were walking past me way faster than
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  Speaker 2: I could walk. I was literally going, like you know
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  Speaker 2: that proper after like a big leg day, like the
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  Speaker 2: first thing you wake up in the morning. That's like
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  Speaker 2: how fast I was walking. Really, it was so hard. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of even explained it.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: The sun started coming down. I was like, why did
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  Speaker 2: I do this to myself? And I was hating life.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone was overtaking me, and shit, I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is so hard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm such a loser.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm also thinking to myself, I've got like
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  Speaker 2: but I wasn't even at the checkpoint at that point.
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  Speaker 2: I still had about fifteen k's left to the race,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew there was more elevation. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what if I got myself into mat and I only
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  Speaker 2: just made it to the thirty eight checkpoint? And I
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  Speaker 2: was like so angry at myself and off.
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  Speaker 1: It is the video that you posted in your carousel
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  Speaker 1: where Cassie's like, do you want to sit? Do you
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  Speaker 1: want to say, yeah, is that the thirty eight k
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even I was looking at it and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, you want to sit? You want to stand
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  Speaker 1: and you're just like you just look at her and
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  Speaker 1: you don't even reer why.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, but my body was honestly telling me
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  Speaker 2: like fuck you, like, don't go any further. And then
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  Speaker 2: I was I was contemplating. I was like, fuck shit,
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  Speaker 2: pull out. I was like, no, I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can just walk and finished in like
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  Speaker 2: ten hours if I really want to. But I left
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  Speaker 2: that check point so angry, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it was like a bit of I had a caffeine
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  Speaker 2: drink at as Celsius. I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 2: that would help. But I walked for like maybe probably
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  Speaker 2: one or two k's and I was still feeling bad.
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  Speaker 2: But then I just found myself for some reason, and
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  Speaker 2: I put Hamish and Andy's podcast in just to distract
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  Speaker 2: myself from my own thoughts. Some reason. I was hating music.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to music the whole time I was training,
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  Speaker 2: but I was hating music. As soon as the song
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  Speaker 2: came on, I was just getting like more pissed off.
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  Speaker 2: What yes, I was just I was even nothing or
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  Speaker 2: Hamish and Andy was a good distraction. So the last
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight to fifty was going up Threadbow, which was
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  Speaker 2: like majority of the elevation, which was about a thousand
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  Speaker 2: meters elevated. And have you ever been You've been in
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  Speaker 2: cosiosca Way, Oh you haven't never been.
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  Speaker 1: The hill.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how to explain today is the biggest,
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  Speaker 2: most annoying thing you could ever look at in your life.
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  Speaker 2: I got pissed. I was like, I've got to go
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  Speaker 2: up that.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just you're at the bottom and you look
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  Speaker 1: at it and you're like fuck. And then you start
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  Speaker 1: and does it feel like it's like I haven't made
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  Speaker 1: any I've been running forever.
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  Speaker 2: And you physically can't run. And it was very beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like a sort of like the Hobbit, you
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  Speaker 2: know that scene where they're running away from the.
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  Speaker 1: Yorks and the elves help them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I say, It sort of looked like that.
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  Speaker 2: So it was very beautiful. And then that went for ages,
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  Speaker 2: I think. So I did the first seven and k's
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  Speaker 2: in an hour and a half and then the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my race was like four and a half hours. Wow, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So it was so insane and you got to the
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  Speaker 2: top and I was like, thank god, there's five k's downhill,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gombe cheer and I can go downhill again. And
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  Speaker 2: the downhill was literally like straight down. You couldn't run it.
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  Speaker 2: I had to walk and it was fucked my joints again.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck man.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I finished, I was like, yes, I've
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  Speaker 2: done and I was like I'm never doing that ever again.
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  Speaker 2: But finishing it, I felt like I was like I
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  Speaker 2: never want to do this again. But like, reflecting on
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  Speaker 2: it now, it was so cool to do something that
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  Speaker 2: my body and brain thought like don't do this or
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  Speaker 2: like why are you doing this? Like pushing yourself past
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  Speaker 2: that limit, And it's the first time I've actually like
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  Speaker 2: felt that limit of like I don't know, your body's
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  Speaker 2: like it's just saying no to yourself. And it was
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  Speaker 2: pretty It was pretty cool and overall like I'm so
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  Speaker 2: happy I did it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Ay, that's fucking hectic, I expanded.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone out there is thinking like, oh, maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: too hard or I've got a lot of people in
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  Speaker 2: my post saying like how do you train for that?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly I didn't do enough training. No, But honestly, just
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  Speaker 2: chuck yourself on the deep end and figure it out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's the best advice. Yeah, because you're surprised how like
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  Speaker 2: human nature tells you no. But if you just push
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  Speaker 2: yourself past there, you'll be so proud of yourself.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good Like I don't think what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: like the experience you're saying that you've experienced, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I've ever experienced it because I got a six
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  Speaker 1: k run and like stop for a break because I'm tired,
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  Speaker 1: but like I could push through that you should keep going.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been in plenty of situations like grand finals,
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  Speaker 2: like back to back soccer games. I'm getting cramps, like
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  Speaker 2: my body's saying, no, they're and it's not comparable. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's a completely different like beasts, And I see you.
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  Speaker 2: I do see why people get like addicted to the
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  Speaker 2: sport in a sense.
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  Speaker 1: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we watched the one hundred k and one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty whatever it is the next day, and
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  Speaker 2: that's a different beast than itself. And there's some weapons
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  Speaker 2: there who were just like doesn't even look like they
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  Speaker 2: run one hundred klometers?
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  Speaker 1: I reckon, Oh wait, you mean like they finish? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they just kind of like look like they're chilling.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the guy won. I did my race in six
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  Speaker 2: hours and fifty three minutes, and I wanted to die
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  Speaker 2: after it. Yeah, the guy won, I think did in
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  Speaker 2: like four hours thirty which is like I think he
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  Speaker 2: did like four minute twenty k's what something like that,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe four minute forty k's And it was four
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  Speaker 2: hours and forty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: What.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's up a thousand, three hundred meters of elevation.
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  Speaker 2: What there's different breeds in the world. Ey, it's so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I said to Cassis before we started, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: take a picture of him. He better look like a
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  Speaker 2: praying man.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck? And our friend Riley did the thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our friend Riley did the thirty. He was going good.
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  Speaker 2: He heard his ankle at like ten or twelve k's
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  Speaker 2: in and walked a bit after that, but he still
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  Speaker 2: said it was the same experience for his thirty. And
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  Speaker 2: he was coming from running absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So he was coming for he was coming through from
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  Speaker 1: a phase in his life where like he had gone
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  Speaker 1: through a breakup a couple of years ago, like maybe
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  Speaker 1: a year or two ago, a little bit less, and
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  Speaker 1: then kind of through a phase where he just was
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  Speaker 1: like working having fun and wasn't focusing on fitness.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember when we started training, he was doing
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  Speaker 1: the thirty and so he was training. I went for
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  Speaker 1: one run with him and he was in the process
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  Speaker 1: of quitting smoking while he was training.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he didn't quit at all, he said, because I
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  Speaker 2: was saying, my thoughts were about like Ned Brockman's like
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  Speaker 2: a beast. I can't be sad about myself. He was saying,
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  Speaker 2: like I shouldn't have smoked that one cigarette. He was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about all the cigarettes he should have smoked.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if him doing the race is going to
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  Speaker 1: make him quit.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he loved it though. He was so inspired and
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  Speaker 2: he's signed up for a marathon and he wants to
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  Speaker 2: do another ultar and stuff, and like it sort of
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  Speaker 2: gives you like motivation and makes you scratch an itch.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't know your ad I guess fucking hell.
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  Speaker 1: And now I've got the itch. And I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: short runs like six k runs but on grass. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and my knee hasn't been hurting.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon if you go to a physio, when you
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  Speaker 2: get the proper rehab and stuff, you could.
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  Speaker 1: Get through it. Like maybe this seven hundred bus could
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  Speaker 1: be worth it, and like train at the gym in
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  Speaker 1: a proper way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you need to spend seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: bucks if you go to a physio first, true, and
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  Speaker 2: then you can get referral.
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  Speaker 1: Want to be cheaper, I could do. The first thing
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  Speaker 1: I should try is just the free YouTube videos of
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  Speaker 1: that knees overtow guy and see if that helps. I've
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  Speaker 1: started holding his knees. I've started walking backwards.
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  Speaker 2: On a treadmill just to help with my like hip
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  Speaker 2: mobility and stuff, which is the knee of a tow guy.
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  Speaker 2: But overall was a sick experience and.
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  Speaker 1: Like how was did you add? Was there any any
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: point in time where you kind of got to chill?
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: What usually were there for what? Three four nights?
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: Four nights? Was there any point in time? It was
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, this is like a nice relaxing place,
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean kept out Becauseosco it's beautiful.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, like during the race, I had a
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: few moments when I was at the top there was
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: like a nice like I think it was limestone steps
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: and water was flying through them and I stopped and
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: put some water on my face. It was so hot,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is this is beautiful.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: There's no way I wouldn't have really just tried to
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: be so main character and imagined I was like, fucking
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: what was his name? In the Last of Us show?
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is the main Curriss Pedro main characters name.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: He's just like been out for days running from zombies.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: He's got the girl, and then he just finds like
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: this river and he just goes that's his shower for
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: the week. There's no way I wouldn't have imagined myself
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: just being like so many It was so.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Nice, so like it was like I need water, Like
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: it's like you've been in the desert for a week,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to take it all in, but I
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: was just like I'll take it in for like two seconds,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: and you look away from your feet and then you
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: just like you're you might fall over, and then then
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: you feel like, shit, yeah, I can't take this in.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: True while you're running, you can't take it.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: You're like, I hate this. You ever stop like properly
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: look around And I didn't stop. Oh, and I'll finish
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: it on. You know you're gonna laugh. You know how
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: we often talk about when you gotta.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Go, you got to go. I was so waiting to
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: ask if you needed to shit.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So after that thirty eight K where I died, I
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: was in that two little K spot where I was
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: finding myself again. I had to take a piss. Yeah,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: And I just stopped warning the bush show boom and
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: pans down, took a piss, and like as I was pissing,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: like I had no control of my like behind, and
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, if I keep pissing, I'm
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: gonna shit. And I just had to stop pissing and
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: then and I couldn't. Like I honestly, it was weird.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: My body was like going into like I don't know
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: how to function. So I didn't shit myself. But if
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I kept pissing one hundred percent would have what one
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: hundred percent?
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Wait what?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: It was so weird. It was like I had to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: like clench my butt cheeks and then like just stop.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It was so weird, like he'd had an epidural or
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: some shit. It's what's it called when you like lose
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: control of like your bodily functions.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, getting old.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't know it felt like that. Just you know
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: how sometimes when you're taking a piss and like fight
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: comes out and you can't help it. Oh yeah, pissed
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: with out A fart's like a dance without music. Like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: it felt like that, but like I knew, I knew,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't a fart. Oh yeah, you know
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: when a fart's not a fart. Yeah, But I couldn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: stop it. Like so I was like, I'm just stopping pissing,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and I didn't. It was like pissing wasn't like nice.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: It was like green and sort of hurt a little bit.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Sold he kept running. I remember seeing the thing David Goggins.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: He used to be like a big, big fella, right,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and now he's obviously real skinny and like, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: run until you die whatever. But he said the first
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: ever like one hundred mile thing he did was I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: think it was a round a track and he did
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: it to raise money for because you know that, what's
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the movie called where Mark Warburg plays the guy that's
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: like falls down a mountain and shit as an army dude.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know exactly the movie talking about fuck it's
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a good movie.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But basically, there was a helicopter that was about to
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: go rescue Mark Warburg. It's all true story. And David
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Goggins knew some guys in that helicopter that fucking crash, right,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: they all died, And so he went to do this
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: run for someone he knew. And he said that in
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: this he had barely ever ran. He was massive, he
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: was fat, and he goes and he runs a hundred
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: miles and he said that he was just like while
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he was running, he was just straight up oozing shit
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: out of his asshole. Blood was coming out of his asshole.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: He said, he just like lost all control. Hundred percent.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Agree, if you got to like one hundred hundred and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: sixty K, I don't reckon you have any control of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: your bodily functions. Oh my god, Well you obviously do
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: if you train like a lot. Yeah, but like if
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: he's coming from nothing, and I didn't do nearly as
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: much training as I should have known.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Right, But well, shit, man, you should be proud of yourself.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: That's a fucking pretty big feat.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks. And I saw one very nice fan was working there. Yeah,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: so shout out to you. I don't know, I don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: know your name. She said high a couple of times,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and I saw her after the race and she did
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the fifties. Well finished in about ten hours. You know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: did fifty Yeah, legend, So props to you, Props to you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Fan shout out actually, if we're talking about fan interaction,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: shout out to the girl that said hi to me
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: at the beach a couple of weeks ago. That was
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: really nice. It's like super nice. Henry went in her
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: bag and tried to steal some food, so she's like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I know you. And then the other day, the other day,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I was taking Beth, her best friend, Casey, and Henry
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: back to Sydney and we pulled, you know, the McDonald's
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: at Gosford. If you're a very very long time listener.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: In one of the first episodes, ODDI prank called that
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: exact McDonald's and we just like went through the drive
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: through and the girl serving she looked at me, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: we can tell now like she like looked in she
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: saw Beth and she Henry and I was I just
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: feel like this is all confirming it for her. She
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything, but when we left, Beth was like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: she definitely knew wo you were. And she was like
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and we're in the gets. I was like, yeah, she's
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: probably thinking to herself, Fuck, they're struggling your tiny car. Alrighty, guys,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we a couple of weeks ago, actually were we kept
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: on body count topics come up and a reoccurring thing. Yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it can't be super real. It was reoccurring. It kept happening,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and so we were talking about and we kept giving
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a pinion, and then one day I was like, fuck it,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Like any dudes listening, I know that you're the minority
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in our listeners, but and we love you, and any
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: dudes listening. If you do care about body count, because
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it's always men that care, tell us why and we
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: will read it, give our opinions. Everyone's entitled to my opinion.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Should we say where we stand first? Just the recap and.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Easy thing of where I stand is, I just don't care.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I care about my girlfriend, but you know, one hundred.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. Yeah, we both haven't asked
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: our partners what their body count is. I don't care,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and I think it's all about having fun and you
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: need to do all those things to find yourself exactly.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but we got an email from a female listener.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Also, it wasn't a guy.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it, it says, hey, guys love
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the pod was listening to the latest step where you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: guys just start, discussed how body counts shouldn't matter and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: asked for any men listening who disagree to write in. Well,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: my boyfriend, whilst he isn't a listener, is one of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: these men. When we first started dating, I told him
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: very early that my body count was high, around one hundred,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and he told me his was around twenty to twenty five.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: While I've always been openly comfortable with my past, sorry
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: with my past promiscuity, and I believe BodyCount shouldn't matter,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: he admitted this is slightly off putting. His reason is
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that it is more difficult for a man to sleep
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: with a woman than vice versa, meaning if a man
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: has a higher body count, he put in the work
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to get to know the girl and in quotes riz
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: her enough to get her to bed, whereas women are
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: basically able to snap their fingers and a man will
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: sleep with them. With this reasoning, it implies a higher
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: body count for a girl means she gives it away
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: easier and therefore is less of a prize slash, it's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: less special. Whilst I've vocalized my disagreement. I can't deny
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I see merit in his argument. Keen to hear your thoughts.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I won't say her name. Interesting, Yeah, shit, I remember
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: when I first read it. I was I've had time
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to obviously read I've read it, and I've had time
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to think about it and stuff. So I was kind
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of interested obviously to see what you had to think
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: about his I think it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Really plays on you mentioned it on Patreon that there's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: like this I don't know what it is, this crypto
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: guy minority of people who love like Donald Trump Andrew
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Tate and have this mindset that like being an alpha
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: male is the way to go.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just very recently watched this well editing and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: this was my analogy. I was like, so Donald Trump
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: got in, and as soon as Donald Trump got in,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Crypto loved it. Crypto went up. So everyone's jumping on
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: ball with done. All the crypto or bros are starting
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to make videos and I was like, so it's like
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: crypto and then they meet them. As Crypto goes up,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have a bike high body count.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Up's my analogy, and it goes off like all those
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: guys who are on like that pyramid scheme, who like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: watched all the gym videos and take steroids and everything,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and like oupha blokes we said something about like the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: god complex or something. Yeah, it's a god complex. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I definitely see like playing Devil's Advocate, I see where
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: his brain is coming from. Yeah, and I do think
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to a certain extent, girls can get sex more easier
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: than guys. But it's also very personalized. A good looking
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: guy can snap his fingers as well.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So here here's what I was saying. So I've showed
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Beth this. Yeah, I've showed I've showed Harry this, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I think what I came to after, Like, we spoke
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: about it for quite a while, Harry and I actually,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and you could make an argument right that, let's say
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: girls do get it easier, and so if she's got
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a really high body count, maybe she doesn't think of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: sex as something all that special, whereas, like, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: we lost our virginity with a girlfriend and it was special,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: so from the start we thought it was special. So
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: she doesn't think of it as all that special. It's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: not like a connection thing. And I was thinking about it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I was thinking like maybe at one point in her life,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: she didn't maybe she has a BodyCount of three hundred,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: maybe she has a BodyCount of one hundred, maybe fifties
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: high in your opinion, And maybe she didn't think of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: sex as all that special. But what if, like, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: who's to say that she didn't have a boyfriend, went
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: through a nally heartbreak and then also she's like, oh, well, fuck,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like I want to have some fun now, right, And
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so she goes and she has some fun, but then
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you know what, this doesn't feel very good.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I feel a bit empty inside, like I want sex
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to mean something. So then she's the next guy she
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: starts seeing she really likes him and sex means something.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But then he finds out she has a high BodyCount,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh fuck, you don't value sex, like
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, Like who's to say she
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: can't change on you can't?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So I think that's the thing. It's like there's so
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: many different like arguments and before actually before I forget,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Beth had a really really good point and she knows
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this is like a fact. Actually I didn't know this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: until she told us this. She told Harry and I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: So sometimes a girl can go through a traumatic experience
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with sexual assault or something along those lines, and because
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in that moment she had zero control, right, she was
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: terrified and a man did something to her and she
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: had zero control of it. After that, it's not an
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: uncommon thing for a female to go hyper sexual, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: so she thinks, like she can actively think it or
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: even subconsciously think like, well, I'm never letting that happen again.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I will be having one hundred percent control of my body,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and so they actively make the decision like it's like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a thing of they become hyper sexual because they are
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: in control when they are like that. So it's kind
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of also like if someone has a high body count
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, you're a like sorr. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, but oh you're you know, value it
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, like you never know what
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they've been through.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: No, And also taking it back one step from that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: obviously doesn't go into it as much detail as that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: But even if you have a breakup, it's sort of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the same effect, like you've got your heart completely broken
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and you're like it's out of your control. It was
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: out of your control. You don't really know how to feel.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So you're just like, I'm going to have some sex
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to be in a complete control of
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: everyone know who I have sex with. And I think,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: going back to what we said at the start, I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: stand by no matter how many people she or he
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: slept with, they did all that for a reason to
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: get to the beautiful person they are now. One person,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: two people, one hundred people, doesn't.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Matter, not really.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: In the end, she's now dating this guy, and this
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: guy probably frosts her because she has such a good
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: open mindset, loves the sex with her boyfriend because she's
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: experienced sex before, it knows what she likes. She's confident
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in herself because she put herself out there so often
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and she had to do all that to become this
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: beautiful girl. And this guy is just saying like, no,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: it's just easy for you.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like funny it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Also, I'm being relatable. When I was Adeena used to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: think that exactly thing.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would have too.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I see the argument from guys. I don't
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: agree with it. And if their mindset still is in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that mindset, it's completely naive. But I'm not going to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: say it's the wrong mindset. You'd entitled your own opinion
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we got a comment on a video from
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: someone he was on the Spotify episode where we're talking
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: about body count, and I think we may have also
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: at the end of it been like, are you sleep
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: with whoever you want? Yeah?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because we're advocates for having fun and it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: your life, and our old intro was do what you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: want to do, be what you want to be, sleep
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with who you want to sleep with.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we would say that bit in our head.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but his background was obviously a religious one, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in his eyes, there's no gender role or playing it
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that differentiates whether or not a high body count changes
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the value of a person. And he just said in religion,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: anyone with a high BodyCount is seen as less valuable
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: or less Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we didn't want to go out there. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: think I just wanted to point out, like we don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: religion isn't something we are professionals. It's not a factor
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in our lives and it's not a factor in our lives,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and so yeah, don't take if you're religious, I wouldn't
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: take anything. We say, Yeah, well, that's seriously it was
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: interesting to see that side of things because he was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: coming at it from an equal point of view. Yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: because he said this whole thing about bodycounts and then
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but he was like it go. He was like for
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: men and women. Yeah, He's like, it's and he was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: implying like if I had a friend that had a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: high body count, I would look He's like, I would
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: look him different. Yeah, I'd be like, you're impure. Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, fair enough, Like if that's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: how you're raised, and like that's your genuine belief system,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: like that is obviously you're fully entitled.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: To that completely fine.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, it's your choice in that matter.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: It's interesting we're also finding out like even our point
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of view, we obviously believe it, but it's not that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like black and white, like going into the assault or
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: heartbreak or like whatever the alpha fucking crypto guy or
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the religion like mindset. None of it's right or wrong.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: It's just like not really.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I guess it's very personalized, individualized, and I guess it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: good to for us to say that. I feel like
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of our friends as well get caught in
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: that out for bloke mentality. I'm glad when we were
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: turning to these podcasts ort to change down mindsets a lot.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But if we voiced a bit more that it's just
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: normal to have sex. Yeah, like okay talking about not
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: black and white. I was just kind of before I
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: knew we were going to talk about this today, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I just was like, fucking, I'm just going to go
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: look out. I just typed into YouTube.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I was like the body count argument, and a bunch
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of stuff came up, and I was watching a few
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: videos and I watched one and it was with a
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It was Chris Williamson, and he was interviewing a female
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: who was of assuming a doctor and something. Can't confirm
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: nor deny, but I think she was. She sounded like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: she what she was talking about, and he asked. He
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: was like, he said, I have an interest in He
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: called it part of history jealousy or something like that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So it's like you get jealous of something in their
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: history even though you didn't exist in to them yet
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: what they call it. I think he called it history jealousy.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Oh that's cool.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's so toxic and.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So he yeah, yeah, he's like having an interest in that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He's like he's just a Guys really suffer with it, right,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And so he asked her, like, what is it with
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: mainly men? Some women really caring about a body count?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And she said that this, she said, with men, right,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it's like sometimes men have a pre ah, It's like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: what's it called when you have like something that you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: feel a predisposition, a predisposition like where you feel it
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: deep down. Basically, so they have a predisposition that their
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: partner's going to hurt them, even though they have shown
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: no reason that they would hurt them because of this
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: history thing. So no, no, no, Basically, like some guys
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: are just like insecure, right, and they go into a relationship.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: There's that he could be insecure thinking maybe he's not
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: good enough, maybe well maybe she's not good enough, blah
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: blah blah. But like it's quite often men that care.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And so it's like they'll go into it with a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: predisposition that the way that this is going to end
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is that their partner's going to hurt them. And so
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: if they've shown no reason during the relationship and no
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: evidence that that's going to happen, what they look for
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: is something in the past. So if they have a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: high body count, they'll turn that into something where it's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like it matters. They do it all subconsciously, and with women,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: they don't actually really care about a high body count.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: They more care about past partners. What worries them more
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is a past relationship and not a past just like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: one night stand, you know what I mean. So that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: was one argument, and then to go even further away
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: from black and white, she's like, if you think about it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you've got to look at it in a way of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: like if someone has like, instead of looking at their
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: body count, what's their rejection rate? This part, I don't know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You could question this part a lot, but it was like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: let's say there's a female that's fucking Victoria's secrets, supermodel.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: She's got a body count of one hundred, but she's
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: rejected a thousand her rejection rates for obviously, you're not
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: going to go to someone and be like, what's your
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: rejection rate? But you know, or you've got a girl
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that is beautiful but hasn't had heaps of attention from men.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: She got a BodyCount of five, but she'sn't even approach
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: five times a rejection rates zero. Like there's so many
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: different avenues and that one you can really pick apart.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But also going that sort of disputes the out the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: bloke's mentality because if a girl's if it's so easy
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: for a girl to have sex to the one who's
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: sent in that email, she's had has had sex with
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: one hundred people. Imagine a thousand people have come up
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to her, she's rejected nine hundred and where these the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: guy's had twenty.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Five has he's had twenty five chances, and he's taken
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: twenty five chances. Yeah, you know, it's a funny, funny thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And then I watched another one other video of this
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: dude talking. He's a psych it's called like psychics or something,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, well, imagine imagine your your
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: partner has had a BodyCount of twenty five and you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: consider that high. Okay, But each one of those twenty
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: five guys, they made them wait a month to two
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: months to get to know them before they slept with them.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: They had to make sure they had a connection all
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that stuff because they valued the action of sex. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: then she tells you all those rules while you're dating
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on the first few dates. But then she's so attracted
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to you. She's so she's so infatuated by you that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: she throws away all those rules that you know about,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and she wants to sleep with you on the second
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: or third day. And you're like, you'd be like, wow,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't give a shit. He's like, guys won't give
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a shit about the twenty five number because he knows
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that they all those dudes had to work for it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm so attractive that I don't have to work
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: for it, So guys like get quite shallow in their mindset.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And then he was like, but if you look at
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it this way, what if she has just one past relationship, right,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: so she's only had one person she's ever slept with,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: but he's a famous athlete, and she's told you stories,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and those stories sound amazing. They had the best time.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You'd think she was a porn star blah blah blah
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: blah blah. But then with you, it's different. You know
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: her past relationship with what it was like with this
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: d one famous athlete that you probably know his name,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you've seen him on TV. But with you, she made
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you wait, and with you, the sex is vanilla. That
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: number one doesn't matter because you know what she's done.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Like you could just pick apart every single thing. Yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and so in the end, it's like doesn't matter.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Well, in the end, all anyone should ever do is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: try and get to know the person in front of them,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: no matter their past.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's also it's so dumb, like imagine like it's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: judging someone like you said when you didn't know the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: imagine if they had something traumatic in their past and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like something that's way more important than BodyCount and you're
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: just like like, oh, so you went through that now
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so shallow, and I think, yeah, I don't know.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I think I'm still intrigued to get I would like
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: more emails with like with arguments of towyet matters, because
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: again I want to point out it's everyone's entitled to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: their own opinion, and I don't want anyone to take
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what we're saying and be like, oh, my boyfriends like
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the complete opposite, I need to break up with them,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's not what we want. I think like there's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: some guys that maybe haven't heard the arguments that we
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: could put out there, and if they were to hear it,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like they could change their mind. I know my mind's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: been changed, but with multiple things same.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think especially in like American media,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: they're a lot worse than Australia. And that's what we
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: consume especially is whatever route your boyfriend or any guys
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: have ended up on TikTok YouTube or anything like that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I saw a video of like have you seen Kysonat's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: blowing up with like getting celebrities on his streams and stuff.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He got one of his people who when he goes
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to sleep, he shouts out everyone and they do like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a motivational thing. Kevin Hart's done it, Drewsky has done it,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: John Cen has done it, and this guy did it
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and he was completely delusional in himself thinking that like
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he was trying to motivate people. And obviously Kevin Hard
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: did stuff about like finding intrinsic motivation and being finding
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: yourself before you find money and yeah yeah, but this
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: guy was he's a young guy and he was completely
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: delusion on himself, and he said, work on your money
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: because that's all girls care about, and then you get sex.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: He said, he said it in a way and everyone
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was like the whole comments were like this guy believes that,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: oh he said it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: With pure belief.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: He said, you've been trying to motivate, but he wasn't
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: taking the piss, and then Kayson was looking at him
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like what the hell and he's like He's like, props
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the ki for making me get earned money, and like
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: now I'm getting girls because of that. But that's what
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the guys fall into. They fall into, like I'm gonna
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: make a Pyramids game. I'm gonna make money. That's gonna
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: get me girls. I'm going to have heaps of sex.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: That's all that many like eighteen to twenty four year
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: old guys, that's what they care about. They get in
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: this little realm of TikTok out for fucking that little
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I don't even bubble on the internet that you shouldn't
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: be on. That's all they consume and they think it's normal.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's going back to like that pack mentality we talk
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: about with men, whereas like it's not right, it's not on,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: but they think it's right because there's some many people
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: doing the same thing as them. It's like we've talked
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: about like cat calling and stuff. It's obviously become normal.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Is completely wrong because a group of guys do it
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and no one says anything, and they all like back
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: each other. And then the young person who's thinking, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know where I want to do it be
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: in my life thinks that's normal, or thinks objectifying women
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: or thinking the caring about BodyCount is normal. There's that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: pack mentality that boys fine, and obviously it comes down
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: stems back to like some deeper thing that underlies from
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: us fucking hunting back in the day with men and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: just being.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Boys, but which is weird. Like also if you think
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: about it, and a good example you said it yesterday
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is like even completely off topic, just more onto the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: topic of comparing yourself. It's like when you do the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: way the internet works is tricky because when you do
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: get caught in a bubble, like the algorithm really knows
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: who you are, Like the algorithm knows you better than
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you really know yourself, Like you don't know what you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: want because you don't know how many milliseconds you're looking
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: at something longer than the last thing, But the algorithm
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: does because it's all fucking genius, you know, and so
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like us for instance, like my algorithm is quite a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: bit of currently it's a lot of planes, and I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: love it, but my algorithm is it's a lot of
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of podcasts, say in my podcast, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of podcasts. And also but it's a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: lot of really big podcasts, right, And we've been told
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: time and time again, you guys are doing great, you're
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: doing great, Like you guys are pretty big voweling you've
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: been in it, and we're like, thank you so much,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, And like, I don't think it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that we don't believe it, but it's that I'm comparing
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: myself to this up top whereas like we actually have
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: done pretty good on the scheme of things, but like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: we don't feel it because of the yeah, and it's
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: because that's the world we're in. If we took a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: step back and like we weren't in that world, there's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a chance we might feel fucking really like we might
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: be like we are the top, fucking.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with broad spectrm. We talk about it, like he's
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: saying on Instagram and TikTok, it's the best way to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: compare yourself to people who you shouldn't compare yourself to exactly,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Like you get stuck in the realm of if you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: doing six or eight change and you've lost five kilos
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: and you're obviously still looking like any normal human. You
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: don't have a six back, and you're a bit fluffy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And then you see fucking the most ripped girl or
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: guy who has the skinniest waist in the biggest shoulders.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It edits their photo and then you see that and
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you think, fuck, like that wasn't really worth it. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: still look fluffy like that, I'm just going to go
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: back to my old ways. Why would I fuck have
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: even wasted? But in reality, you just lost fucking five
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: kilos in eight weeks and you're doing great, very proud
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: of yourself. Yeah, they should put like a disclaimer like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: they're trying to ban in Australia like sixteen year old kids.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever going to work, like going
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: on social media you have to be sixteen.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: They should be like there should be some type of
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: disclaimer on social media, but saying like just have fun on.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It'll tell you what. It'd be one of those things
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: there where it's like do you agree to term terms
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and conditions and I'm just like, yep, I didn't read them. Yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: don't tell me about no disclaimer, get out of my face.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I want to go scroll.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think anything or anyone ever's going to work
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: because unconsciously we never want to know that. But when
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you consciously sit down and think about your kid's future
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, that's when you do care.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's funny BodyCount social media navigating that
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: as we get older, and.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very funny.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell you what we need to do from here
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: is go on to like one of those blokey podcasts.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You obviously don't talk about their feelings. They probably haven't
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: mentioned bodycout before, but they don't go in depth about it,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and like have a little rebuttal or get some of
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: their fans to send in their rebuttals about BodyCount. Yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and we'll be like, well, we honestly want to come
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: from a I want to keep getting email.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want more email.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Open minded mindset, and then like see where people come from.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you agree, send us an email. If you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: don't agree, send us an email.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I want to know.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like relatable sixty nine at gmail dot com, send
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: us a fucking email title at body count rebuttal. Yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: let's go. If you've made it this far. You really
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: are a real one, and you want to know who's
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: not a real one. The person to my left, he
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: may have said something before we started recording a couple
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of days ago when I got it, but I got
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a haircut, guys, and he hasn't said a single as
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: soon as you got it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: That's bullshit.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't count if it wasn't on camera. We
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: know this.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I said it, and you sent me a photo of
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: yourself and I picked it up. On photo I said,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: nice haircut and your mustache is out of shape. That
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: is a good friend. First photo I saw you with
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the new haircut. Yeah, take it back right now.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I can't take it back because you didn't do it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: on camera. We have no proof of that transaction.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: You know why. I'm also a good friend. I've got
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: you a scrub daddy and a scrub mummy m waiting
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Got used, No, you got new ones.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Cassie's parents, my girlfriend's parents bought you a mafter listening
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: sitting at a bag at home. I've got to give
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: him to you. You can have these. You're a present
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for you, man, so you can have them, right.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I'man titled to them.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Just beak you Cassie's parents are be grateful, and your
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: mustache is still out of shape.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. I fucking looked at I trimmed it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I looked at Beth in the face. I said, it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in your shape. She said, yes, it's because this side's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit blonde and this sid's dark.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Do you reckon? It's because his face is lopsided.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You know what's actually crazy? And went to the chiropractice
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: today and I said to him. I was like, dude,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, before I leave, my jaw clicks and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, one side is really tight, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's so weird. Ever since I started
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the podcast, like an editing, I've noticed my face is asymmetrical.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Always been like that, mate, That's why it has always
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: been like that. But I think he's going to fix it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's hope. Well, everybody Patre and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: five Stars five Stars at the end of the year,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: we love. Yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: He was like, mass.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: That's how to get someone back. I'm going to fix
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: your face, mate,