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The 50 States of Conspiracy: Maryland · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host, Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me as guest co-host this week, Atif Myers is here.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going, man?
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  Speaker 1: What up? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am fantastic. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: We are carrying on with our 50 States of Conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: series in honor of America's 250th birthday. It's our country's
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  Speaker 2: birthday year. We're celebrating all year long. We'll definitely not
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  Speaker 2: have all 50 states covered by the end of this year, so.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: In that sense, we're going to be celebrating America's 250th
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  Speaker 2: birthday probably through the end of America, which I imagine
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  Speaker 2: is coming like mid-2027. November-ish. Yeah, somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 1: Are you getting people from each state to contribute to this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. There are going to be some
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  Speaker 2: states where it's going to be tough. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: a ton of people from Montana, for example.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Fifi Dosh from?
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  Speaker 2: South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which doesn't help me much. I could do the South
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  Speaker 2: Dakota episode on my own.
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  Speaker 1: Did they keep their last name? I hope I didn't just,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to deadname them. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: You're good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of a loose can in that one.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to deadname Fifi.
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  Speaker 1: No. They're training in pro wrestling? Like, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: So, we are covering Maryland this week. You grew up
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  Speaker 2: in Maryland, right?
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  Speaker 1: From PG County, yeah. Love Maryland. No, I don't. It's cold.
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  Speaker 2: What's PG County?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, It's like the blackest county in America. It's
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  Speaker 1: like 96 percent black. It's dope. I remember whenever I
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  Speaker 1: go there, I don't see a white person the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: What does is PG short for something?
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  Speaker 1: Prince George's County. OK. It's weirdly known in like black
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  Speaker 1: culture because like I remember I was talking to this
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  Speaker 1: guy at a convention and. He didn't know if I
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  Speaker 1: was black or not. And then he's like, where are
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  Speaker 1: you from? And I was like, I'm from PG County.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, are you black? And I was like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, once you said PG, I knew you
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  Speaker 1: were black. And I was like, all right. Like, damn. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I consider myself having never been to Maryland, even
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  Speaker 2: though I did a show there. But like, I've done
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  Speaker 2: shows a lot of places where I just went in,
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  Speaker 2: did the show and got the fuck out of there.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The show I did in Baltimore, it was on the
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  Speaker 2: Portugal The Man Tour. It was at a great venue
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  Speaker 2: called Rams Head Live that I.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rams Head is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's closed since then.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Earth, Wind and Fire there.
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  Speaker 2: They had the banginest cherry root beer chicken wings backstage
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  Speaker 2: in the green room. Oh, my God. I love the
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  Speaker 2: venue is great show, but I have a really good
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  Speaker 2: friend in the area who lives in Virginia. So I
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  Speaker 2: just stayed with her and we drove to the show.
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  Speaker 2: I did the show and then we drove back.
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  Speaker 1: What a drive.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was like an hour or so she
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  Speaker 2: was in. I mean, she's basically in D.C.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so she's like, yeah, she's like on the Virginia
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  Speaker 1: side of the DMV government section.
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  Speaker 2: The part that's still basically D.C. Like you could see
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  Speaker 2: Reagan Airport from her apartment and shit. So we just
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  Speaker 2: drove to Baltimore, did the show and drove back. So
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  Speaker 2: I've never really been to Maryland. I've just been there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going back next week. My friend's wedding. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: just cold. It's just cold. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like cold.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to Camden Yard.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard. And I've heard the food is great.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I went there for like a Yankees game.
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  Speaker 1: And at the time I was like a Yankees fan.
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  Speaker 1: It was like my first baseball game. And I caught
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  Speaker 1: the home run ball from like Jorge Posada. Like I
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  Speaker 1: got a Jorge Posada home run ball. But like the
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  Speaker 1: whole time they're telling me to throw it back. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm being like, yo, I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: want to keep it. But I was like negotiating in
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  Speaker 1: a normal voice with like hundreds of people yelling at me,
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  Speaker 1: calling me gay slurs. And it just like, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: throw it back. I'm like, no, I like Jorge Posada.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you?
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  Speaker 1: This was like maybe sophomore year of college.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So like, Oh, I was like, no guys, like I
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  Speaker 1: like Jorge Posada. Like I'm going to keep the ball.
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  Speaker 1: This is great. I was like, this is awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the people trying to buy it off me. Cause
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  Speaker 1: they're like, I've never gotten a home run ball in
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  Speaker 1: a game. And I was like, absolutely not. Like I'm,
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  Speaker 1: This is my first game here. I'm getting I'm keeping
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  Speaker 1: this fucking ball. Like it was opening day. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: That would be I would keep that ball even.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If it was if it was hit against a team
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  Speaker 2: I cared about even like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. It's just cool to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I hope to visit Maryland in a more
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  Speaker 2: substantial manner at. Some point, I guess. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Should I?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been to a music festival there, too.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about that. I went to the Virgin Music Festival.
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  Speaker 1: Was that in Columbia?
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  Speaker 2: It was in Anne Arundel County.
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  Speaker 1: Anne Arundel County, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. But I don't know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what town or city it was in, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I saw ZZ Top open for Jack.
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  Speaker 1: White at that music festival.
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  Speaker 2: And it was... Pretty fucking great. And I saw Nas.
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  Speaker 1: I love ZZ Top.
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  Speaker 2: It was also the first time I ever saw Portugal
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  Speaker 2: the Man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, weird.
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  Speaker 2: It was 2013. But even that, I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: haven't really been to Maryland. I was in a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen everything, though. Like, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've seen The Wire.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, that's what everybody says, but it's also like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it doesn't feel like one
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  Speaker 1: of those states you should go visit. Unless you like
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  Speaker 1: want to go to D.C. and like see like history stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like it's hard to convince
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  Speaker 1: people to go to Baltimore and chill.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of visiting every one of the 50 states
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  Speaker 2: seems up there with like visiting every baseball stadium.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, why?
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  Speaker 2: Even Oakland? Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Camden is weird because like. If you get out of
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  Speaker 1: Camden and you make a right, you're in the hood.
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  Speaker 1: But then if you make a left, you're in downtown Baltimore. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's so hood adjacent. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I don't think I'll ever tell anybody they
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  Speaker 1: should go visit Maryland. Again, I spent most of my
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  Speaker 1: life there, I guess. And I couldn't give you a
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  Speaker 1: good reason to go. Like, I couldn't. I fucking couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: What about the seafood? The seafood's got to be good, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like enough to visit? No. Like, I fucking
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  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, man. I really couldn't tell you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Like seafood enough to make that the reason I visit anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any good tennis tournaments happening.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like football in person. Well, Orioles, though. I
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  Speaker 2: do want to go to Camden Yard.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but like.
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  Speaker 2: Even then, I could still just go to D.C. and
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  Speaker 2: drive up for the Orioles and drive back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like, D.C., at least you get a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of museums. Yeah. That are free at the time. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if Trump is charging people.
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  Speaker 2: Last time I went to DC, I went to the
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  Speaker 2: Spy Museum. They have a little escape room type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And when you walk in, the first thing they do
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  Speaker 2: is show a video that is from your CIA handler.
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  Speaker 2: And the woman in the video, the original Aunt Viv
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  Speaker 2: on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. It's like, holy shit, that's
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  Speaker 2: what happened to her. That's why she disappeared mid-series. She
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  Speaker 2: joined the fucking CIA and got replaced by another Aunt Viv.
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  Speaker 2: Makes perfect sense now.
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  Speaker 1: I guess if you really like baseball, maybe Camden, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Like seafood, you can go to
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  Speaker 1: red lobster, fucking save $ 800.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any cool Edgar Allen Poe shit there? Aside
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  Speaker 2: from the housing projects named after him?
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  Speaker 1: Probably some like weird tour, but like no one really
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  Speaker 1: gives a fuck enough there. Like truly didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: Magoobie's joke house and go to Magoobie's joke house and
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  Speaker 1: do some standup.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've done standup in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: I had a great show.
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  Speaker 1: There are great crowds. I could not fucking tell you.
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  Speaker 2: God, I loved that venue. And the person who booked
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  Speaker 2: it was so fucking cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great fucking place.
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  Speaker 2: I think it shut down during COVID, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I could not. You can go to the strip clubs
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  Speaker 1: by City Hall on Gay Street.
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  Speaker 2: On what street?
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  Speaker 1: Gay Street.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that's what you said.
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  Speaker 1: Legitimately, all the strip clubs. It's called The Blunt. And
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  Speaker 1: it's on Gay Street. And then at the corner of
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  Speaker 1: it is City Hall.
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  Speaker 2: I do like that. I would go check out the
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  Speaker 2: strip clubs on Gay Street. That sounds very fun.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I was 18, they were like, there's
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  Speaker 1: a little person jumping out of a cake. Come on in.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just like, how big is this cake?
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  Speaker 2: So should we talk about some Maryland-related conspiracies? Had you
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  Speaker 2: heard of any of this shit before?
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  Speaker 1: The Cal Ripken one. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That, I think, is probably the only one I had
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  Speaker 2: heard of also. Aside from, now, there's a couple. There's
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  Speaker 2: a couple I'd heard of.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the Ray Lewis one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Copy.
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  Speaker 2: A little spoiler alert for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. The sports ones.
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  Speaker 2: We always start with the old-timey historical stuff. And in
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  Speaker 2: this case, not to be ableist or anything, but I
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  Speaker 2: think we all know Abraham Lincoln was assassinated.
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  Speaker 1: By an actor.
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  Speaker 2: By an actor. Yeah. So was he really assassinated? Or
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  Speaker 2: was the guy just pretending to assassinate him?
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  Speaker 1: He was escaped for like a week, right? He shot
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  Speaker 1: him and ran away. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And ran away to Maryland is where he escaped to
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  Speaker 2: and did a lot of the plotting in Maryland. But
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  Speaker 2: did you know Abraham Lincoln was almost assassinated twice? Threats
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  Speaker 2: against Lincoln started pouring in as soon as he was elected.
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  Speaker 2: Probably well before that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's to be expected with pretty much any president except
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden, it would seem. We did a episode about
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  Speaker 2: all of the attempts on Trump's life and how it
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  Speaker 2: seems like people are just trying to assassinate him all
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  Speaker 2: the time more than any other president. And no, it
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  Speaker 2: turns out he's just the president who publicizes it every
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  Speaker 2: time it happens, whereas most other presidents know not to
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  Speaker 2: make a big deal of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think Biden, the assassin's pride, just thought he would
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  Speaker 1: just take himself out. Yeah. He fell off his bike
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  Speaker 1: and they were like, here it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with Biden, there were not as many attempts on
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  Speaker 2: that dude's life. And yeah, I think you're right. People
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  Speaker 2: were just like, it's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But these threats with Lincoln, back to him, they were
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  Speaker 2: especially intense. It was a heavy time for the country.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if people remember Civil War and all that.
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  Speaker 2: But also Lincoln was a real tough guy.
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  Speaker 1: He was a wrestler. So he was like technically America's
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  Speaker 1: first pro wrestler president.
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  Speaker 2: I heard he had a really high-pitched, whiny voice, which
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't expect looking at him.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you'd expect he'd have a really deep voice, and
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  Speaker 2: I've heard it was not that. Also, I had to
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  Speaker 2: go see the Reagan movie in theaters for work purposes,
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  Speaker 2: and the best part, before the actual trailers started, so
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  Speaker 2: someone had to have bought this as ad time separately
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  Speaker 2: from the regular trailers. Because this played during the commercials
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  Speaker 2: and shit that they show before it's actual trailer time.
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  Speaker 2: There was a trailer for a documentary about the theory
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  Speaker 2: that Abraham Lincoln was secretly gay. And in this theater
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  Speaker 2: full of fucking 70 and 80 year old hardcore Republicans
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  Speaker 2: who were there to celebrate Ronald Reagan, this fucking documentary
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  Speaker 2: trailer pops up and it takes until very near the
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  Speaker 2: end of the trailer for them to drop the bomb that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, this is about the theory that Lincoln
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  Speaker 2: was gay. Man, those old people got so in their
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  Speaker 2: feelings when that part happened, they were booing. It was
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  Speaker 2: so funny.
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting you say you had to go there
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  Speaker 1: for work when you're like your own boss.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was also appearing on someone else's podcast where
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about that movie. So otherwise, yeah, I probably
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  Speaker 2: would not have gone. So Lincoln, he insisted on traveling
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  Speaker 2: to D.C. for his inauguration without any sort of military
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  Speaker 2: escort because he was a real badass.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Because this was 1861, the mode of transport was obviously
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  Speaker 2: going to be the train. And fortunately for Lincoln, there
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  Speaker 2: was this train executive in Philadelphia, Samuel Morse Felton, who
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  Speaker 2: felt like people weren't really taking this threat seriously. He
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  Speaker 2: felt like secessionists were absolutely going to try and capture D.C.
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  Speaker 2: and destroy all routes into it to keep Lincoln from
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  Speaker 2: becoming president. But the twist is he didn't so much
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  Speaker 2: care about Lincoln. He cared about his rail line that led.
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  Speaker 1: In to D.C.
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  Speaker 2: And didn't want it to get destroyed. So he hires
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  Speaker 2: this guy named Alan Pinkerton, who is very famous now.
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  Speaker 2: This was, I learned this on an episode about the
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  Speaker 2: Hatfields and McCoys that I just recorded for the Stupid
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  Speaker 2: Flanders podcast, a podcast about terrible neighbors that I host
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  Speaker 2: with YouTube sensation John Lewis. Check it out wherever podcasts
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  Speaker 2: are at. Back in these days, law and order was
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  Speaker 2: a whole different thing. You really could Kinda just take
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  Speaker 2: shit into your own hands to some extent. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what this Samuel Morris Felton guy did. He was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: if no one's going to investigate it, I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to hire this Pinkerton motherfucker and have him go investigate
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  Speaker 2: it for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a fucking lunatic. Yeah. He was very badass. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a bad guy in Red Dead Redemption 2, or
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  Speaker 1: started the organization of bad guys.
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  Speaker 2: Pinkerton?
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  Speaker 1: The Pinkertons are the bad guys in Red Dead Redemption 2,
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  Speaker 1: because we're playing it. Oh shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they got up to a lot of
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  Speaker 2: unsavory shit over the course of their existence.
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  Speaker 1: Like most cops.
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  Speaker 2: This is actually kind of cool. What they did though,
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  Speaker 2: Pinkerton and an associate, they decide that Baltimore is going
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  Speaker 2: to be where shit's going to go down because any
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  Speaker 2: route Lincoln can possibly take from Springfield has to go
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  Speaker 2: through Baltimore. So Pinkerton and an associate just go to
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  Speaker 2: Baltimore and disguise themselves as Southern investors and stockbrokers and shit.
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  Speaker 2: So they can start mingling with the business elites in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: thinking that, well, if there's going to be a plot
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  Speaker 2: against the president, it's going to come from people who
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  Speaker 2: have money in slavery. and cotton and shit like that.
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  Speaker 2: And sure enough, they end up getting tipped off about
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  Speaker 2: this plot that is going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I just am imagining just like, just two dudes sounding
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  Speaker 1: like foghorn leghorn, just in terrible Southern accents being like,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I said, who's, do you know who's going
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  Speaker 1: to kill the president? And then it works. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine everyone sounding kind of like that back then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like that.
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  Speaker 1: You see?
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  Speaker 2: Who's looking for the president? See? That's how you sounded
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  Speaker 2: if you weren't from the South.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the associate who someone just confessed to.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was probably drunk or some shit. But
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  Speaker 2: Pinkerton ends up getting a meeting with the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the plot because he was talking to someone else who
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  Speaker 2: was involved in it. And just out of the blue...
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  Speaker 2: hands the guy $ 25 and goes, I'm on your side.
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  Speaker 2: Use this $ 25 for whatever you feel like the South
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  Speaker 2: can use it for. And also be careful when you're
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  Speaker 2: talking to people about this stuff. You never know if
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  Speaker 2: you're talking to an agent. And with that, the guy
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: was like, hell yeah, I trust you and set up
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a meeting. Which, pretty smart. I do like that tactic.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: The leader of this plot was a guy named Captain
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Cipriano Ferrandini. The article I linked to about this is
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: about 55,000 words long, and at no point does it
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: explain what Cipriano Ferrandini was a captain of. Again, completely
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: lawless time.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: You could just call yourself a captain?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he might just call himself captain.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: That's not bad.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: And what's funny about this is remember that Morse Felton
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: guy hired Pinkerton because he was trying to protect his
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: rail line. Despite being this fucking great detective that history
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: has come to revere, at least for his detective skills,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Pinkerton didn't realize anyone was trying to kill the president
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: until this meeting happens. Up to that point, he was
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: sure that they would just destroy the rail lines and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: stop Lincoln from getting to D.C., It took someone straight
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: up saying, no, we're going to kill the president for
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Pinkerton to be like, oh shit, I think they're going
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to kill the president. I think they're going to do that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So fucking funny.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Again, the article is so long. The details of what
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: they did to get Lincoln out of it is almost
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: longer than the details of the plot to kill him.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It involves him. Basically, they just put him on a
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: different train in the middle of the night. So he
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: got to Baltimore earlier. So by the time the plot
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: was supposed to happen, news was already out that he
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: was in D.C., And everyone in Baltimore was like, what
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the fuck? We thought we were going to kill him.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And what's funny about it is because it ended that way,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: at least at the time, Lincoln was kind of looked
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: at as a coward when people found out about this,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: because they were like, what plot? No one got arrested.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: There was no one did anything. And it's like, yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: because they found out it was happening and they thwarted it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Was the dude who paid the Pinkertons to do this,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: was he thwarted or was he still like, hey, but
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: what about my railroads? Like, Fuck.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's all he cared about was
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the railroads. Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't give a fuck about the president.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: What about my railways?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I wonder if the president was at any
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: point like, hey, thanks, bud. I appreciate that. Now I'm
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: going to go on and enjoy a very long and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: robust presidency free of threats from my life. All right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Edgar Allan Poe. Let's talk about him. Are you a
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: fan of Edgar Allan Poe?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Did he write the Telltale Hearts? Is that him?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: He sure did.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I like that one. I never read The Raven, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I know the quote from the wrestler, The Raven.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Poe as far as his writing.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I have never looked into him much as a person.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: As far as his death goes, I've always just known
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: he died young and drunk. He died when he was 40.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So I always assumed it was just that thing where
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes creators... people fucking drink or drug themselves to death
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: At a young age. Turns out it's a little more
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: complicated with Edgar Allan Poe. One of the most enduring
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: theories about his death, because no one is quite sure
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: exactly how he died, but one of the most enduring
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: theories is that he died as part of an election fraud.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: scheme because when he died, he had planned a trip
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: from Richmond, Virginia to New York City by train. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: that train stopped in Baltimore on September 28th, 1849. That's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: when shit gets weird. For the next five days, his
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: whereabouts and actions are unknown. He, for some reason, got
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: off the train in Baltimore without going all the way
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to New York.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Well, he's from Baltimore. He probably went home.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could be. But he was planning a trip to
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: New York, so I don't know if there was like
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a couple days layover or what. But he gets off
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the train in Baltimore. Next five days, no one knows
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: where he is. A guy named Joseph Walker finds him
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: on October 3rd inside or near Gunner's Hall Tavern, appearing
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to be in, quote, great distress. He was super duper
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: drunk and wearing clothes that did not appear to be
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: his own on account of how they fit. That part
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: really important.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Would it be too tight or too big?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Don't think they specify, but they just say it was...
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Huge difference. It was clear that the clothes he was
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: wearing were not his own. He was taken to a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: hospital where he slipped in and out of consciousness, was
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: apparently talking to imaginary objects and shit before finally dying
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: on October 7th, 1849. And it's the location where he
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was found and the weirdness with the clothes that make
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: people think this was an election fraud thing. Because at
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the time... There was a common election fraud tactic known
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: as cooping, where victims were kidnapped, drugged, forced to drink,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and disguised several times so they could go vote for
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the same candidate several times. Gunner's Hall Tavern was a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: common polling location.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And there was an election happening around that time. Cooping
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: would explain why he was in different clothes that were
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: not his own.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it make more sense to get him drunk and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: drunk than have him endorse your candidate? Because he was
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a famous guy, especially in Baltimore.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: One of the pushbacks I've heard is, well, he was famous.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It would be really risky to parade him around like this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: At that time, it's not like people didn't have social
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: media like he was famous. But if you're the kind
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: of criminal who's engaging in this sort of thing, you're
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: probably not a voracious reader. You might not recognize Edgar
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Allan Poe when he stumbles off that train, or maybe
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: he was already drunk and they got him when he
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: was drunk. Who knows?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Again, it goes back to like John Wilkes Booth, where
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: he was like the most famous actor of that era.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: And he was able to lay low for a week
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: after killing the president. This just seems like a lot
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of effort for like eight more votes.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: But it was a very common thing. It's not a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: question as to whether cooping happened. That was absolutely a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: thing that happened at the time. It's just a question
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of whether it happened to Edgar Allan Poe. And the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: problem is no one knows. No one's ever going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: be able... to prove definitively what happened. But I don't know.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I don't hate that explanation. It makes as much sense
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: as anything else.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's a shitty way to go out,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like to vote against your will, I guess. But like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That just could have been utilized better
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of getting more votes. Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if they didn't know it was Edgar
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Allen Poe, then.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Saw some drunk dude and like, all right,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: we can get nine more votes out of him. Let's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: get him a wig.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Also, it was election day. It's not like he was
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: going to go out and film a commercial that they
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: were going to endorse their candidate. Like it was kind of.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: At the wire.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. But also, why not just pay off the polling people?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how cooping worked.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Sorry. It just seems like the hardest way to go
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: about it. It does.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, were they sending them to multiple polling places?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It does seem like a very labor intensive.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You've got to get the booze. You've got to get
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the drugs.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: But it's also the 1850s. Efficiency wasn't our thing yet. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's probably funnier. Their way is definitely funnier.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And like, argue with all that free booze, you know?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's fair.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Do a lot worse. All right. This next one, this
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: whole entire episode could be about Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. Oh,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: if people are unaware, Fort Detrick in Maryland was the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: home base for the CIA's MK Ultra experiments in the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: 50s and 60s.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I never even knew that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Experiments that definitely stopped back then and for sure don't
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: continue to this day in some form or another.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: No, sir.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: If people have ever seen the Wormwood documentary, have you
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: ever seen Wormwood?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know anything about archaeology.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Nothing at all?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: No. It's like government experiments on people to make them
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: do things that the government wants them to do.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It was a decades long mind control effort by the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: US government, like an attempt to figure out how to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: control people's minds. And the claim from the government is that, well,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: we gave up because none of it worked. And also
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: we shredded all the files in 1973. Don't worry about it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But my argument has always been if nothing came of it,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: would they have spent that long? On it, because that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: shit spanned from the 50s deep into the 60s. So
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you're talking almost two-fold decades of them pumping millions and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars into this program that spanned...
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I think it was close to 140 colleges and hospitals
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: across the United States and Canada. They did it in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: prisons and they were doing it to people without their knowledge.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: They were just doing human experiments on people. One of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the main doctors behind MKUltra, a guy named Cameron Ewan,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: he eventually became The first head of the American Psychiatric Association,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the Canadian Psychiatric Association and the World Psychiatric Association.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: What?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And he was an MK ultra doctor who specialized in
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a thing called psychic driving, where he would literally put
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: people in drug induced comas. sometimes for as long as
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a month and just play loops of suggestions and thoughts
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that he wanted to plant in their heads just to
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: see if that shit worked. And the shit carried on
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: for ever for such a long time.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And Fort Dietrich is where one of the main people
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: behind it, a guy named Sidney Gottlieb operated out of.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And I brought up Wormwood.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Because we did an episode about the Wormwood documentary. So
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to repost that to celebrate this episode. But
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Wormwood is about a former CIA employee named Frank Olson, who,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as the story goes, the CIA gave him a bunch
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of LSD without his knowledge. It freaked him out, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: he jumped out a window to his death.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That is the story the CIA wants you to believe.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: In the Wormwood documentary, the theory they push is that, yes,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they gave him LSD, but what it did was give
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: him a conscience about all the things that the CIA
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: had been doing. And what he wanted to do was
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: go public with the fact that we used chemical weapons
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: in the Korean War. And so what the Wormwood documentary
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: suggests is that he did not jump out that window.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: He was thrown out that window because they could not
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: talk him out of the idea of going public with
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: this information about us using chemical weapons in Korea. That
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: guy worked at Fort Detrick.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I have.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: some followup episodes about another MK ultra thing I reposted
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: recently coming. So lots of MK ultra fun to round
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: out the year, but Fort Detrick still exists today. It's
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: still the army's principal base for completely cool and normal
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and ethical biological research, nearly 600 buildings on 13,000 acres
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: during COVID. There was a, apparently a Chinese disinformation campaign
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: that tried to make it seem like COVID was created by,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and released by the army at Fort Detrick, which no,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: but also you just got to expect rumors like that
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: when you have this kind of history.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I honestly didn't even know it existed in Frederick.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I feel like people sometimes comfort
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: themselves when it comes to conspiracy theories with the idea that, oh, well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: we would know. If that thing you're talking about existed,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: if the government really had that, we would know. It's like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: why do you think.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We would know?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think they would tell us?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we wouldn't know.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They're not going to put a sign up at Fort
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Detrick that's like, you're not going to believe what we
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: do here.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not. I mean, it's just weird because they will
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: advertise like, get off this exit for X fort. You
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Especially in DC, but it's like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen one for Fort Detrick.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It's in Frederick. How close is that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It's like 20 miles above DC.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, even if you're going up that way,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it's never like here for Detrick. And maybe it might
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: be mistaken, might be on a different highway, but that's crazy.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And it really was the home of, MKUltra. Sidney Gottlieb,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: like I mentioned, worked out of Camp Dietrich. And Sidney
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Gottlieb is a if-you-know-you-know kind of name. He was kind
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: of the main guy behind MKUltra. His whole thing was
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: finding a way to completely erase a human mind and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: replace it with a new one. That was his ultimate goal.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And he did a lot of extreme shit to try
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and make that happen. Again, off and on unsuspecting prisoners,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: people in mental hospitals. In one case, seven prisoners in Lexington,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Kentucky were given multiple doses of LSD for 77 days straight.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: In another case, captured North Koreans were given depressant drugs,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: then dosed with stimulants.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And in the.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Period where their body was adjusting, going from being depressed
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: to stimulated, they were exposed to intense heat and electroshock,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you know, just to see what would happen.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: See, minus the heat and electroshock is like my morning
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: routine between antidepressants and like pre-workout.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mine is mostly just stimulants in the morning, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: otherwise same.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, maybe like that's a good start
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: so far. The heat and electroshock. I'm like, oh, fuck. OK,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that's where it gets kind of dicey.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Because most of the records pertaining to MKUltra were destroyed
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in 73, the exact number of victims and deaths that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: resulted from this is not known. But we do know
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that most of the drugs and concoctions... that were tested
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: on people were created at Fort Detrick. Wow. MKUltra allegedly
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: ended in the 60s, like I mentioned. But Sidney Gottlieb
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: kept fucking with chemical experiments there for a long time.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I wrote a Substack article a while back about how
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: obsessed the CIA used to be with shellfish toxin. They
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: had a weapon. called the shellfish toxin gun. It was
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: just a rumor for a long time. And then in 1974,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the church committee hearings were the series of hearings meant
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: to bring the U.S. intelligence community to task for all
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the crazy shit they'd been doing. And in those church
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: committee hearings, someone asking questions to the CIA director brings
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: up the shellfish toxin gun, And the director just pulls
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: it out of his jacket and is like this. Yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it's real. It's it's a fucking real thing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: What does it do?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: It sounds like the absolute best way to get assassinated
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: because it just hits you with this dart filled with
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: shellfish toxin that's so small that you barely feel it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And then it kills you painlessly. Oh, you just die.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: They called it the heart attack gun. Because it would just, like,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: stop your heart and kill you almost instantly. And it's like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna get offed by the state, at least
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: let them be gentle about it. Sidney Gottlieb was especially
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: obsessed with shellfish toxin, even after Nixon, who more and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: more seems like maybe our last actual good president, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that's for another episode. He ordered the CIA to destroy
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: its stockpile of biological weapons and whatnot. But two containers
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of shellfish toxin, which was enough to kill 55,000 people,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: made their way to Gottlieb's depot at Fort Detrick before
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: being moved to a CIA warehouse elsewhere. That was in 1970.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: By the time that stash of toxin was discovered and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: destroyed in 1975, Gottlieb had retired and just lived the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: rest of his days in peace.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: What an evil motherfucker.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no bringing the CIA to justice. That's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: just not a fucking thing. Recently, there was a CIA
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: guy who got arrested for having all those gold bars.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But I think he was just like scamming the CIA.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was an actual CIA agent. So yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Fort Detrick, if you're over there, get me a t-shirt.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I had a relative who worked at the Pentagon and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he got me some Pentagon merch. They have the softest t-shirts.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: It's like absurdly soft where it's like, I'll never wear this,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ, this is great material.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I would ironically wear a Pentagon t-shirt, I think. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: ordered merch from Bohemian Grove once.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: What is that? It's a.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Compound in California. I think it's kind of close to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: San Francisco. That rich people go to and do all
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: sorts of weird like ritual type shit. I have a
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: refrigerator magnet and a flyer from one of George W.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Bush's appearances at Bohemian Grove.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Yeah. I thought it was like a Tommy Bahamas,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: but that's way more sinister.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tommy Bahamas where they do weird sex cult stuff
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and worship a giant wooden owl. All right, this next
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: one is a weird one, mostly because it almost exactly
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: mimics another famous vaccine theory.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Short version, RFK Jr., And a bunch of his cohorts
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: believe that RSV, the virus that gives you the sniffles
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: if you're young and healthy or might kill you if
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you're over 60, actually passed to humans by way of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: a botched experiment involving the polio vaccine carried out at
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Walter Reed Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Makes sense.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But RSV? You're just giving people the cold?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, NHS, the place where, like, a lot of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: our diseases are stored, and, like, we do a lot
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of science-y things for pharmaceuticals, is, like, literally, like, right
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: across the street from Walter Reed. So, like.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I think, like, America's, like... It's like smallpox is stored there.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And it's, like, one of the two places in the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: world where smallpox exists. It's not, like, NHS and somewhere else.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also a theory that Lyme disease escaped from
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: a government facility. And when I say this mimics another
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: famous theory, it actually mimics two, because the pushback you
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: get in the Lyme disease theory is that, well, Lyme
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: disease actually was around way before this alleged leak. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: kind of the same argument. But this theory is sort
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of based in some truth. RSV was discovered in October
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: 1955 when 14 chimps at a research annex at Walter
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Reed all came down with what seemed to be a cold.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Scientists managed to isolate the virus that made them all
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: sick and then intentionally infected a second set of chimps
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: with it. you know, just to see what happens. It's science.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: What happened is a lab worker who had contact with
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: that second group of chimps also got sick, but science
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: noted that he and the chimp seemed to have the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: same illness. And this is where the lab leak theory starts.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: The thinking is that from there, that one worker spread
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: RSV to the world and an epidemic was underway.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: But again, again, Later research, which anti-vaxxers just dismiss as
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: not real, showed that RSV was present in humans way
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: before that discovery.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Makes sense.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And that it likely passed from humans to chimps and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: not the other way around. Around the time it was discovered,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: doctors in that area tested RSV. A bunch of kids
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and like 80% of them already had antibodies against RSV,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: which means it had been present already. We just didn't
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: know what it was. Also in 2007, preserved lung tissue
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: from a child who died in 1931 showed the presence
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: of RSV.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: What a weird thing to say. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And it's stuff like that where I know I've even
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: done it with some conspiracy theories, but I know the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: anti-vaxxers are going to be like, oh, that's convenient. You
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: just happen to have a spare kid's lung from 1931
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: laying around that you happen to test.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just in some formaldehyde where it's like safe for
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: later use. They're keeping Ted Williams frozen. So, I mean,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: it makes sense.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Didn't they fall and break his head, though?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I think the whole thing, like, They didn't get power
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: or some shit. Like, I don't think he can come back.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I think they broke his head, though. I feel like
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: someone dropped it or something.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: His head was severed in a body, liquid nitrogen. It's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: frozen in two pieces.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: When's that going up for auction on Golden?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Put that in one of your fucking slab packs arena club.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I would, you know, they would probably like put it
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in a card. They just skin it like the fucking
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: garlic from Goodfellas. Ted Williams cards.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Relic card.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of 100 Ted Williams brain.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd buy it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I'd buy it. Yeah. Buy the shit out of that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And so there's another slight variation on this theory spread
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: by a researcher named Lynn Redwood, who suggests that the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: virus made its way into the polio vaccine and into
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: humans that way. And what's weird is how perfectly this
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: theory mirrors the theory that claims AIDS is was accidentally
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: spread via the polio vaccine in Africa. Lynn Redwood even
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: makes the same mistake that the guy who broke that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: theory in the 90s made, in that she ties all
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: of her theory to scientists doing research on monkeys. when
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: they actually used chimps. I don't know how two different
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: people make that same mistake. It's just weird to me
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: how much this theory mirrors the AIDS theory, which there's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: like an 800 page book about the AIDS theory. That
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I have sitting downstairs. I just have not read it yet.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I need to read it.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: No. That's so many pages.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: It's apparently pretty fucking fascinating.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have to be for 800 pages.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Gotta grab me somehow.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know. I sometimes still believe the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: AIDS thing. I don't believe the RSV thing. Mostly because
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: it sounds so much like The AIDS theory, it feels
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: like an op. It feels like someone just showed up
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and presented this idea to RFK Jr. to fuck with him.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And he is so fucking dumb, he just took it
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and ran with it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in the monkey sex part of AIDS, though.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's been debunked.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think the theory is actually monkey sex. I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: think it's more like a hunting thing. I think you
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: could have gotten scratched by a fucking monkey. I think
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the monkey sex thing was just some racist shit, probably.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Right? Right. I think so.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Feels like it. You know, like AIDS itself. Some racist shit.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the collapse of the Francis Scott
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Key Bridge in Baltimore.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: This was fucking crazy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: This might sound bad. I felt like it was a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: long overdue. That was a very sketchy bridge.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: How so?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It was always rusty and just fucking sketchy as shit.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: It was... I don't know. For some reason, it always
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: felt like whenever you drove over that bridge, there was
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: just a cloud over it and like bad shit would happen.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't even the bridge that failed. It just
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: got hit by a fucking ship.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But it's like, I felt like
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I could go at any moment. Like, I know it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: not the thing to say, but it's.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I've never been on that bridge. I had been on
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the 35W bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed a few years back.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I think that was quite a while ago.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's the bridge from The Wire, in case
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you need to know how fucking shady of a bridge
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: that is. Where they're just like, let's include everything shady
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore in the intro. And it's that fucking bridge.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It's so shady. It was bad, bro.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It was a crazy fucking thing that happened. I remember,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all saw the videos from it. It
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: would have been less tragic if there wasn't that construction
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: crew working because otherwise it's a borderline miracle because none
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of the cars that were driving over the bridge got stuck.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: They managed to either shut it down on one end
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: before people got on in time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: To fall in, or the cars that didn't get shut
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: in made it across without being impacted. So it was
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: just that construction crew, which that sucks for them, obviously.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: There were obviously also a lot of conspiracy theories around this.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: They were all pretty insane, but I think the record
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: for the insanest of them goes to the one that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: claims the Obamas did it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: They are a fun group of people to blame for things.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the article we linked to about this points
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: out now that George Soros is getting older and like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: he's just not going to be physically capable of the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: kind of shit that the globalist conspiracy theory types like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to blame him for. Now it's getting shifted to people
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: like Obama, Biden, things like that. Like they're becoming the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: new George Soros.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You do have to find someone with a fun name
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to yell.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Obama is.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Soros! Oh, yeah, Obama!
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Obama is a very fun name to yell.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Barack and Michelle Obama have a production company, and apparently
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: they're making regular-ass movies, not even just documentaries. I remember
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: they did the documentary for their first thing, and it
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: was pretty good. It was about a car plant closing,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I weirdly... I almost got an internship or no, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: almost got like a P.A. job with one with one
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of their productions where they produce like a kid's cooking
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: show alongside like Sesame Street. It's like Sesame Street branded,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: but like the Obamas produce it. So, yeah, they do
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: just regular shit. It's like a kids cooking show, puppets
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: teaching kids how to cook, celebrities cook with the puppet.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Apparently among the regular ass shit they do is the
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: 2023 disaster film Leave the World Behind, which the Obama's
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: executive produced. Apparently it's a Netflix movie, I think. Oh.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: In that movie, A Tiff, there's a scene where an
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: oil tanker named the White Lion wrecks on account of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a cyber attack. And then just a short year or
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: so later, A ship in Baltimore runs into the Francis
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Scott Key Bridge. Coincidence?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It's probably just coincidence. But that is kind of the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: basis of the theory is, well, the Obamas did this
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: movie that depicted this thing and then this thing happened. So.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But like, why wouldn't they just blame like speed to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: cruise control where they're on a boat and the boat
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: runs into the land?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And also, how does. Taking out the Francis Scott Key
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Bridge further your globalist agenda.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: No, it's literally like. The one bridge that needed to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: be repaired. I guess now we got to build a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: new bridge. Yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know to what end the Obamas would have
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: done this. There was also, there were fake images circulating
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that claimed to show the exact same ship that hit
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the bridge, the MV Dolly, in the movie. And those
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: were not real. That was a doctored image. So that's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of fake bullshit. But this next one, oof.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the death of Baltimore homicide detective Sean Suter.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: You heard anything about this?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I have not heard anything about this.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: He was an 18-year veteran of the Baltimore PD, U.S.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Army veteran who served in the Iraq War. Colleagues described
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: him as, quote, an honest and beloved cop, end quote.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: That's what they always say, though.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: But it seems like the honest part might be where
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the trouble starts, because he was due to testify before
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a grand jury. in a corruption case tied to something
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: within the Baltimore Police Department called the Gun Trace Task Force.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: But the day before he was set to testify, he
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and another detective were investigating an unrelated homicide. At one point,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: it's claimed Souter ran into an empty lot between two
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: vacant homes. Something happened there, and he was shot at
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: close range with his own weapon.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Now, Quick question. If you are essentially going to trial
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: against the company, let's say, why would you keep working
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: for that fucking company? Like, why wouldn't he take a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: day off the day before he's about to testify?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Cops, though, like especially if you're willing to take this
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: kind of risk and testify, you're probably like, this is
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: my fucking lifeblood. This is all I want to do.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I guess if I like lay low.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it seems like that was not an option. Also,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: it seems like this guy might have been a dirty cop.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Let me keep going.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: So almost everyone involved believes he was murdered, including his family.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: But an outside review board... released a 207-page report that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: concluded that Souter killed himself but staged it to look
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: like a murder so his family could still collect death
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in the line of duty benefits. And it's claimed he
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: did that because his testimony at that grand jury hearing
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: was going to implicate him and that he was going
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: to end up being fired from the force.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Oh. Now, quick, what year was this? Maybe like 2017? Yeah, 2017.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That was before Baltimore got cleaned up a little bit.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You could have gotten murdered at Baltimore pretty easily. You
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: didn't have to off yourself.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: So there's that. There's that report that says, no, he
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: committed suicide. The Baltimore Sun... Apparently also wrote a big
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: editorial saying that they find the idea that he was
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: murdered implausible. But the city medical examiner ruled his death
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a homicide.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: And the city awarded his widow, Nicole, a nine hundred
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: thousand dollar workers compensation payment. which she took as an
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: admission by the city that her husband was murdered because,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: in her words, you do not win workers' compensation cases
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: unless you are injured, hurt, or killed on the job.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Note it's true. Yeah, they would do everything they can
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: to not pay you. Right.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Also, Kevin Davis, the Baltimore police commissioner at the time,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: believed Souter was murdered and asked the FBI to investigate.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They declined.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Turns out the Gun Trace Task Force, which is the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: thing he was due to testify about, was turned into
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: an HBO miniseries by the guy who made The Wire.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: It's called We Own the City. And I will watch
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the shit out of that. Apparently, it depicts this incident
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: as the report depicts it, with Souter taking his life
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: but staging it to look like a murder.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: How do you make it seem like a murder?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: That, I don't know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: No, in the case of Gary Webb, the guy that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: broke the story about the CIA selling crack in Los Angeles.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: he eventually committed suicide. And I do think he tried
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to stage that to make it look like a murder.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because he shot
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: himself twice. But the first time was just through his cheek,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: which I think almost anyone would expect that if you
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: open your mouth and shoot yourself through the cheek, it's
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: going to just go out the other side and you're
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: not going to die. So he shot himself in the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: cheek and then in the head. And I think he
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: might've been trying to make it look like the CIA
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: killed him because by the time he died, the CIA
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: had no reason to kill him. They had effectively killed him.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: He was just still alive, but his life was fucking over.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause you can't like, you can't murk yourself in
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the head and then like throw the gun 20 feet.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I don't, Maybe I might be too dumb. I might
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: be too dumb to fucking.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It was one of the first episodes we ever did
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of this podcast covered the story of a guy named
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Terry Yiki, who was a cop who was one of
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the first people on the scene at the Oklahoma City bombing.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And he maintained forever that what they were saying happened
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that day is not what happened, that it was a
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: completely different thing. He was eventually found dead. They ruled
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: it a suicide, but here's how he died. He apparently
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: pulled his car over to the side of the road,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: cut himself up a bunch with like a knife or something,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and then got out of his car, walked through a
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: field about a mile into the woods. He would have
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: had to climb a fence to get to where he
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: was at. Eventually shoots himself in the head and but
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: they don't find the gun until the FBI shows up
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: in a helicopter and they find the gun 50 feet
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: away from him. And that has always been ruled a
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: fucking suicide.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: It's like sometimes people get murdered by the government and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: it doesn't even have to be the government. Like, no,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: we don't know what happened at Oklahoma city. It could
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: have been white supremacists who fucking murdered him. But the
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: fact that it was so quickly ruled a suicide when
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the It's clearly pretty sketchy. I don't know. And so, yeah,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Sean Suter did to stage it
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: to look like homicide.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: But no, it's a dark question. Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: David Simon, the guy who created the wire seems pretty
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: set in stone that that's what happened though. When the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: family came out publicly about his depiction of it in,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: we own the city, he published a rebuttal and was like, no, this,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: this is what happened though.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I really want to watch that show now.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, The Wire was pretty good.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It was pretty good. And like I heard, that show
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is pretty good, but I just don't. I don't. It's fine.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: All right. This next one's weird. Death of Ray Rivera.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: They've all been weird.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is true. I think we might have
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: done an episode of Pretty Scary about this. I'm not sure.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: There's an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about it, but like
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: the reboot without Robert Stack, so it's not as good.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Ray Rivera, he worked as a writer and videographer for
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: a company called Stansberry and Associates. Stansberry & Associates Investment Research,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: which was a subsidiary of a company called Agora Publishing.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: He went missing the evening of May 16th, 2006. He'd
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: apparently been acting weird the week leading up to his disappearance.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: His wife mentioned that their home alarm system had gone
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: off twice, and he was way more sketched out about
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it than usual. A house guest claims that on the
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: night he disappeared, he got a phone call and left
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the house in a hurry, then just goes missing. A
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: few days later, his family eventually finds his car parked
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: in a lot near Stansbury and Associates, where he worked,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and the Belvedere Hotel.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I've been there. It's a decent hotel.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: From the top of a nearby parking garage, they could
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: see a hole in a lower roof of the hotel.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Police investigated and found his decomposing body underneath the hole.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So that was ruled a suicide almost immediately. Which, I mean,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: that makes sense if he jumped from the parking deck
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: and landed on a Roof way lower. Maybe he would
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: have gone.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: OK, yeah, that's what they're getting at there. But there
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: was one detective guy named Michael Byer who thought the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: scene looked staged and thought it should be investigated as
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a homicide. He started doing that investigation and was reassigned
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: three weeks later for reasons that are unclear. Weirdly, Ray
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Rivera's phone and glasses were found undamaged on top of
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the Belvedere Hotel.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: So for some reason he took his glasses off before
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: he committed suicide? That's strange.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: They are weirdly expensive.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: True. Phone records showed the last call he received came
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: from Agora Publishing, but there's no word on who the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: call came from. It gets weirder. After his death, his
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: wife found a note behind his computer that included the
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: names of prominent Hollywood figures, movie titles, Freemasonry quotations, and
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: other assorted ramblings. It was taped to the back of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: his computer monitor and had been shrunk down and folded
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to the point that it was only a few inches wide.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: She says she knows he wrote it the day he
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: disappeared because there were scraps of the note in the
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: trash in his office.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Opening line of the note, brothers and sisters right now
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: around the world, volcanoes are erupting. What an awesome site
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: whom virtue unites. Death will not separate.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: End quote.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: It also included the names of people he knew personally
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: with requests that they all be made five years younger.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly what it sounds like. He wanted. The people listed
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: to become five years younger. You know, as one does.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, but like, is five years that huge of
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a difference?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Apparently for whatever he was planning.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, if I go back to being
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like 33, I'm not going to, I don't think I'll
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: notice a big difference to where I'm at now.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you're not plotting what this guy was plotting.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right. I'm sorry. I'm lazy. All right. I'm sorry.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I've been a lazy piece of shit for the last
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: So this note also includes a bunch of stuff about Wi-Fi, Bluetooth,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: genetic engineering, airbags. One reporter thinks it was maybe written
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: in code. His wife Googled that opening line and found
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that it's the translation of a phrase that's found on
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: rings worn by Freemasons. And he'd apparently become fascinated with
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Freemasons recently, bought a bunch of books, hauled up a lodge,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: asked how to join Freemasons. The whole bit, whatever the case,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: the FBI examined the note and determined it wasn't a
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: suicide note. But here's the thing. This guy was a videographer.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: He was a writer. His wife even has brought up,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: he might've been writing a screenplay.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: He might've been researching Freemasonry for that. And it's completely
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: unrelated to his death. Who knows? But that note is
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: fucking weird.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Another investigation, I think this comes up in the Unsolved
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Mysteries episode, for him to have landed where he did,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: he would have had to run and jump off of
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the roof, which people don't normally do when they commit suicide.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: No, because there's so many times where you could just bail.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: You can bail during the run-up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Stansberry and Associates put a gag order on all employees
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: regarding the case. And Porter Stansberry, the guy who gives
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: the company its name, apparently he's sort of famous. He's
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: got a Wikipedia page, if nothing else.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: He was a personal friend of Rivera's. He's never commented
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: on the case. I could see this one going either way, though.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Like one of the things that I saw mentioned is
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: getting to the roof he jumped from. Would take like
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: inside help or it would take like like hotel staff
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: would have to help you get up there. And I
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: need more details on stuff like that. Do you remember
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the girl who was found in that water tank at
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the Cecil Hotel in downtown L.A.? The weirdest detail about
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that forever was the fact that the door to that
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: water tank was shut. Behind her, which if you've seen
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: the tank, that would be impossible because once you're in it,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: there's no way to get up there. So that's why
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: people were like, oh, well, she was obviously murdered. It
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: turns out that was just misreporting. The door to that
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: tank was open. There was a documentary a few years
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: ago where they talked to the maintenance guy who was like, what? No,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I took a picture of it. The door was open.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: It wasn't closed. So that blows that whole fucking theory apart.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Now it just seems like she had a mental health
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: incident and ended up in that fucking water tank and died.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: What do they mean when they say it's really hard
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: to get to this roof?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: But like, why would who would take him out, though?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing. Like, why would he be
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: killed as opposed to? I mean, if assuming all of
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that erratic behavior and Freemasonry stuff wasn't him writing a screenplay,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: if he was really having some sort of mental health incident,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: who knows what he thought when he got up on
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: that roof? Maybe he got up there and thought he
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: could fucking fly.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: And that's why he landed where he did. Who knows?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I could I could see this
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: one going either way. There's enough weirdness that I could
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: see that this guy just broke and fucking jumped off
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: a building in the most dramatic way possible.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who knows?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's talk about a sports thing.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Yay.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Cal Ripken Jr. Seems like this guy might have been
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: a huge piece.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Of shit you shut your fucking mouth when i.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Was researching this i found a bunch of talk about
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: him being a wife.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Beater yeah i know yeah it was yeah yeah for sure.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: So there's that whatever the case There is a fantastic
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: rumor about one of his greatest achievements on the field.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: On September 6, 1995, he broke the record for most
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: consecutive games played with 2,131. Broke the record set by
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Lou Gehrig back in 1939. He eventually destroyed that record.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: He played 2,632 straight games. I didn't know any of this.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: He started every one of those games.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't pinch running, pitch hitting. Any of that?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: No, he was the man. Shortstop.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Only voluntarily left a game before the seventh inning four
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: times in his career. Only ejected by umpires early twice.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: And at one point played every single inning of every
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: game for a span of more than five years.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Goddamn.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Iron Man.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: But there's also a really tasty rumor about that streak.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: As it goes, at one point, Ripken was letting his
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: good friend, Kevin Costner... Stay at his home. This was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: shortly after filming of The Postman, apparently. One day, Ripken
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: leaves home for a game, but shortly into the trip
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: realizes he'd forgotten something. Returns home and, uh-oh, found his
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: wife in bed getting boned by the Dances with Wolves guy.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: It's claimed Cal Ripken promptly beat the shit out of him.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Out of Kevin Costner. Forcing Costner to bow out of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: any promotional appearances for the next few weeks. That's probably
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: why the Postman bombed.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: A Postman underrated movie. It was pretty good.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. He just drives a horse across America
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to deliver mail. Like, it's fucking... I don't know. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: think Lorenz Tate might be in it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: That sounds about right. Timing works.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: So Ripken was allegedly so bent out of shape by
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: all this, he called the Orioles and told him he
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't playing that day, at which point the team owner
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: reminded him of the streak. And Ripken was like, fuck
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: your streak. I'm not going to play. The streak can
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: come to an end. It's fine.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, the streak was like the only
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: good thing happening to the Orioles. That's it.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were bad for a long, long time.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool merch, though.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always loved their team colors.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fucking, I used to have this satin, like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: starter jacket with the Orioles across. Yeah, dude, it was
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: fucking fire.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid and super into, I was way, way,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: way into baseball when I was a kid, Eddie Murray
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: was always one of my favorite players. I fucking loved
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Eddie Murray, just because he always looked so cool on
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: his cards. Like, Eddie Murray looked like someone I wanted
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: to fucking hang out with. He looked like one of
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: my friend's dads. So I always loved Eddie Murray.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was a cool looking motherfucker.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Eddie Murray looked like he smoked. I like that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at his Orioles picture. He looks high
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: as fuck.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eddie Murray was the shit. Fucking love that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Steady Eddie.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: So Ripken, he calls and says, I can't do it.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Caught my wife banging the cost too emotionally out of shape.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: And the owner's like, all right, don't worry, kid. We
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: got a plan. And that is when the Orioles orchestrated
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: an electrical power outage just at the stadium. So they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: could cancel the game and keep Cal Ripken's streak intact.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Sure enough, there was a 1997 game that was canceled
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: because of lighting issues.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Sure. But.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: It was canceled at the last minute and Cal Ripken
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: was there and suited up and ready to play. The
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: article we linked to about it goes into more detail.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: They ended up canceling it because the bank of lights
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that still did not work after they got everything else
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: working was on the same side as Randy Johnson's pitching arm.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: And Randy Johnson was pitching that night.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: And they were like, we're not going to make people.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: hit against Randy Johnson in darkness. So they fucking canceled
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: the game. But Cal Ripken was there and was going
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: to play otherwise.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's fucking hilarious.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: It's like any other pitcher, sure. But that guy killed
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: a goose, didn't he?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's so funny because Randy Johnson is like, I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: am a Hall of Famer, arguably the second greatest pitcher
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: of all time, yet I'm most famous for killing a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: bird during a pitch. Yeah. Yeah. That shit exploded.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: It was cool to watch.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: And it has happened again since. I think it happened
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: recently in Major League Baseball.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Not as good as the Randy Johnson one. Be like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: what the fuck?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's not as good as Randy Johnson. Like,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: imagine being a bird and you go back and you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: got that story and they're like, who was the pitcher?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, not Randy Johnson. Well, fuck you.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care. He wasn't the Big Hurt. No, Big
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Hurt is Frank Thomas. Excuse me.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frank Thomas, who almost got killed by
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Jose Canseco in a Lamborghini in Chicago. Check out the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: You Don't Even Like Sports podcast. Cal Ripken, aside from
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: that rumor not being true, he's got some weird shit
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: in his past that I did not know about. Did
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: you know his fucking mom got kidnapped in 2012?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Got kidnapped and returned after, like, 24 hours. And there's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: a Deadspin article that we'll link to about it that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: is long as shit.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: It's a interesting story. One of the rumors is that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: it happened because Billy Ripken had a ton of gambling
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: debts and they kidnapped his mom to recoup on those debts.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: And Cal Ripken presumably paid it off. There's also a
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: theory that maybe it didn't happen at all. and that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: she was faking it. But either way, Cal Ripken's mom
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: got kidnapped in 2012. And that was just nine short
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: years after another incident where a guy in Baltimore got
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: kidnapped and the people who kidnapped him let him go
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: but when they let him go they shot at him
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: and hit him but he didn't die so he ends
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: up fleeing into this neighborhood and ends up on someone's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: porch rings the doorbell and asks him to call 9-1-1
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: who answers the door cal ripken ended up being the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: person who called 9-1-1 for this guy so kidnapping just
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: follows cal ripken around apparently.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Feel bad I've never met him now. It seems like
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to meet Cal Ripken. Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: All you got to do is get kidnapped.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also apparently in 2001, they said that they
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: grooved his baseball bet to hit a home run during
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the 2001 All-Star game. What? Yeah. And that like Shanho
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Park just gave him like an easy pitch as a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: retirement gift because that was like the last year.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, that wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: He was a psycho.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the 30 for 30 documentary about
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: the New York sack exchange? No, they were the New
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: York jets defense in the eighties was called the New
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: York sack exchange.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: It's a good name.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: And Mark Gastineau was one of the best players on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: that defense. He held the NFL sack record for a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: And Michael Strahan eventually broke that record.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: With Brett Favre.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brett Favre just laid down and let him do it.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Mark Gastineau, to this day, is so fucking mad about that.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: To the point that he actually confronts Brett Favre in
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: this documentary. But he's actually got a good point. Because
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: he's like, man, Michael Strahan... went on to host the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: fucking Today Show. He's got this whole career. All I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: had was that I was the sack leader. I could
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: take that to sports conventions and sign autographs. Like, that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: had me set up for life. And then you just
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: fucking lay down so Michael Strahan can break the record.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: He's like, that legitimately ruined my fucking life. And Brett
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Favre was just like, shit, bud. And then gets the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: fuck out of there.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And then goes and steals money from Mississippi.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. God, what a fucking scandal that was.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, check out the New York SAC Exchange documentary.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. All right, last thing. I'm not going
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: to go into detail about this because we did an
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: episode about this also on the You Don't Even Like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Sports podcast. And I'm going to drop it in the feed.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: So people can get all the deets. But as someone
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: who used to live in Baltimore or used to live
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: in Maryland, Atif, how do you feel about the theory
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: that Ray Lewis maybe killed a guy after the 2000
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: He absolutely did it. He did it or at least
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he knows who did it.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, too.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wasn't the dude in like his limo or something?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's people will have to listen to the episode
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: when I say we would have to do a full
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: other episode. I mean, there are so many twists and turns,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: including a stop at Cabela's, I think, or like a
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: pro shop or something where they bought the knife. But yeah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing is his clothes from that night have
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: never been found.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: He was wearing a cream colored suit and just all
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: of a sudden that suit went missing. It's also known
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: that at one point when he was leaving the scene,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the car he's in stops and someone gets out and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: throws a bag into a dumpster at a fast food place.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: And then they just keep driving. And people think that's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: maybe where he got rid of the suit. But a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: lot of weirdness around Ray Lewis in the 2000 Super Bowl.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: It seems like someone in his entourage. if nothing else,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: stabbed and killed a guy and everyone got away with it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But listen to the episode. Decide for yourself, everybody. I'm
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: not directly accusing Ray Lewis of murder. I'm not trying
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: No, you don't want you don't want that on.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to get fucking scary guy. clotheslined
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: by Ray Lewis. Although, I mean, as long as I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: didn't die, it'd be a fun story to have.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If there's like a pros versus Joes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: No, I just even did kind of all right. That'd
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: be amazing. So give that a listen if you're bored.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: And I think that's it. We covered every conspiracy theory
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: to ever come from the state of Maryland. Crazy, huh?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah. There's a lot of them.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: There's nothing else. Atif, thank you so much for doing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the pod. As always.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Of course. Wait, are there states that like don't have many?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, probably. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't researched every state yet. I'm just
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: doing them.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right. I'm sorry. Sorry to give you credit.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: As we get to them. But yeah, I'm sure. I'm
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: sure there's probably quite a few.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: I was going to say Idaho, but. Everyone up there
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: is a fucking white supremacist. So probably not. But yeah,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what state we'll cover next. I keep
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: joking about how no one knows anyone from Connecticut, but
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I do know a comedian from Connecticut now that I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: think about it. Maybe we'll get her on this pod.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: But until then, Atif, thank you so much for doing
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: the pod.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Of course. No, thank you.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: What do you have to plug before we get out
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: of here?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Just check out Sus Stories podcast on this network. I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: review weird comic books. We're in Halloween month where I
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: review Halloween comics.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Very nice. And I think that's it. I don't have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: anything to plug right now. I will soon, though. But
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: until then, let's get the fuck out of here. Atif,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: say goodbye.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Peace.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Goodbye, everybody. We love you.