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Who was Aileen Wuornos? & Baba Yaga · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey, everyone. In serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian
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  winner. And this is when Killers, get
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  caught a podcast devoted to deep dives, into the lives of
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  killers. We love to learn about every
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  week. Brian and I will discuss two
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  true crime stories that resonated with us from this week
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  in, then will lead you down the darker path of learning about
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  who a serial killer was how they grew up, how they killed and
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  most importantly how they got caught, then Brian will slow
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  things down for us. Give us a walkthrough the
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  creepier Of life with the discussion of the Paranormal or
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  Cryptids and this week in True Crime, it's another cold case
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  solved. Oh yay, I love these.
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  Yeah, San Diego. Jury convicts.
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  A man for a murder that happened in. 1969, this past week in City
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  Heights, they were able to use DNA evidence and forensic G and
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  genealogy the way that they are finding these killers these
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  days. Yeah.
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  It is the way. Yep to find.
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  John suppose in a November 1969. Rape and murder of a woman named
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  Mary Scott, the Final deliberation was last Thursday
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  and he is 76 year-old but you know what?
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  Seventy six year olds can still get convicted of first-degree
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  murder. This is true.
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  Yeah, at the time Mary was 23 years old.
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  She was a go-go dancer, she had two kids, and they found her in
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  her apartment in Cal. Listen, Sandy, is it City?
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  It's in San Diego. On 39th Street near University
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  Avenue. He raped and strangled her and
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  he actually kicked in her door. He left behind loads of DNA
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  evidence which now and, you know, the 2020s we've been able
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  to link back to him so it's always nice when people actually
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  think about desserts. Yeah.
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  Eventually they get it. Yeah, his sentencing is
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  scheduled for April 22nd and then he's expected to get a
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  seven-year to life term sentence, but, honestly, seven
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  years might be All he has left. So yeah, especially with David
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  still going around and a red nose.
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  Really got a lot of covid in the beginning so who knows but yeah
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  hope that her family feels some Solace.
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  You know she does have two children who are still alive.
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  It was reopened in 2018. Once they use the same forensic
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  genealogy to find the Golden State.
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  Killer Pretty much California was like, oh, we on his, this is
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  good. Let's do this.
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  Let's keep going this nice. They they keep going through
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  their old files and honestly, you know, getting more close
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  cases. The guy cipo was arrested in
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  2020 and Mary, Scott's youngest daughter, Donna weibull, just
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  never expected that they would find the Killer.
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  Her and I and when she was completely in shock
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  unfortunately her older sister died in 1983 in a car crash so
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  the only one left alive is the youngest know.
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  There's some closure right there.
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  Then for her though. All you good love that.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so remember your old
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  apartment and how you used to live when I taste for.
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  Mmm. Okay, so I'm not going to ask.
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  What would happen if you do have out of there, but right before I
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  moved out, like a couple months, A man jumped from the top like
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  the open area. Yeah, he was a Vietnam, vet.
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  Sad. Oh goodness.
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  Okay so it happened in that building which was 13.
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  Stories high. Hmm.
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  Okay well in Washington d.c., there's a woman who jumped out
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  of her a floor, our eighth floor of her apartment building and to
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  get away from an attacker. Did she live.
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  She lived Ice, did she hit things on the way down?
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  I'm not sure because that seems how you slow the acceleration.
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  Yeah. But there's some Physics
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  happening here. Y'all know, I don't know.
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  Science and give once you get some like a assume that once you
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  get to like a maximum speed and then if you hit something that
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  would hurt but then it would slow it down.
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  Definitely was slow you down a little bit and then it just, you
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  know. Yeah, we'll pick right back up
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  after if you haven't gotten to the The bottom floor yet.
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  Actually, you know, one thing I heard it was well, because it
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  was this kid who didn't like feel any pain when she got hit
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  by a car and she virtually, she only broke her arm, nothing
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  else. Bad happened.
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  And they said, the reason why she didn't is because normally
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  when like the natural human instinct, when you're about to
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  hit something is to tense up and we lock up and then when those
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  locked limbs hit Earth or a car or something, they break so
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  essentially If you're falling from afar height, just noodle
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  just, you know, try and relax mr.
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  Noodle sorry this is reminding me of freaking Elmo Sesame.
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  Okay, so it's funny that you imagine, I mean, if you
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  mentioned like being tensed up and so because her hands and her
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  feet were bound together, not together, not as she was hogtied
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  but you know, our feet without bound and their hands were And
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  this person had her like cuffed or like, you know, right.
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  So okay, so this happened on Thursday.
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  So, it says, Metropolitan Metropolitan Police Department.
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  They, you know, they received a call about a woman falling from
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  an apartment on the 8th floor and you know, they said the
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  woman was bound and she was in critical condition.
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  So she was already on the ground when he got this call.
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  Yeah. So the person who I guess the
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  attacker, his name was Kyle Kylie, Jamal, Palmer and he's 22
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  years old and away at 22, man. I know and apparently they had a
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  son together. So this was her ex who was
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  trying to harm her look, we've heard like this is all domestic
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  stuff. It's With your family, the
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  partner, you know, not a stranger but damn.
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  Yeah. And it was probably some type of
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  custody thing going. I can only imagine what the hell
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  is going on. Yeah, it sucks.
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  That like the only like the people that are most likely to
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  hurt you. Are the people that you trust.
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  Yeah. And it's virtually impossible to
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  go through life and not like trust and open yourself up to
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  people and I just frigging sucks.
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  Yeah, so this actually happened at 7 p.m. a lot of people were
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  home to see this happen. Yeah.
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  And I guess the reason for it says that Mr. Palmer he The area
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  the scene and then he fled the scene.
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  Yeah, if you're smart, yeah, before the cops arrived but then
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  he returned to the scene when the cops are still there.
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  He was this. The report says he was
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  distraught. So wise.
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  So, police arrested him after. Interviewing him at the woman's
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  identity has not been released yet.
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  If it will be release. Who knows let her heal in peace.
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  Yeah. Police say that they they
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  recovered a rifle style ghost gun.
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  I he was going to kill her. Hey I don't know what's a ghost.
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  Gonna let me do this real quick. Cuz ghost gun.
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  It sounds like. It may not have been a real
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  thing. I just sounds like a cool gun.
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  Oh you know what? The yeah, nevermind, it's an
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  untraceable gun so yeah, it real gun, he was ghetto ruin her.
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  Yeah. And some and they said they
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  found some type of reptile. Okay, I don't know.
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  I don't know why they made was important.
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  Thanks for mentioning your kind of reptile was now.
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  I don't even know. Now it was.
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  Yeah it was it a snake, was it? Let me know.
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  Was it an illegal alligator? Oh my God.
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  What if it was a Komodo dragon? And then he was drunk.
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  He was gonna kill her and try to keep the body seems a good
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  freaking Dragon. I can only imagine this is like,
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  take a very long time. They are slow eaters.
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  This is true. But there, Are poisonous jail
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  because it's so toxic. Yeah, lots of creatures like
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  lots of lizards are like that. Why are we always get off topic?
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  I know. Okay, so anyway, so Mr. Palmer
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  has been and he's, he's been charged with assault with intent
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  to kill, obviously, with the gun in possession and possession
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  with an unregistered firearm and possession of a large capacity
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  of ammunition ammunition, feeding device.
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  So, I guess he had like an extra and this is like a They're using
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  ghost, I think for the reason because this is one of those
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  guns that was probably used sold back out onto the street.
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  All identifying markings and serial numbers are scratched
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  off, scratched off or or you know, melted off and so I can't
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  be traced, the only thing they have are the striations of the
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  bullets to link cases together. Yeah.
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  Yeah, he was deaf. He was definitely going to kill
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  her. So yeah, it's a good that she
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  got away and she's in she is as of this news report she's in
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  critical condition but still you know still she made it.
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  All right. Yeah they say how old their
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  child was. No, just his infant son.
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  So, oh no. He's baby, baby.
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  This was the first year. Yeah, baby.
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  Yeah, that's a, that's right, that's right.
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  So two people listening, I know there's lots of ads in today's
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  told people that I would do this year is I would periodically
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  discuss some of the bigger names this year.
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  We've talked about Bundy Alcala. It's shaping up to like once a
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  month. So today I'm going to talk about
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  a serial killer that is extremely polarizing in the True
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  Crime Community. Every single Tick Tock.
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  I've even mentioned her name in the comments, descend into
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  whether she was justified, whether she was traumatized, or
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  whether she was just a cold-blooded killer that woman
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  is Aileen, wuornos. There has been many a
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  conversation as to whether she deserved the death penalty.
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  If her case was sensationalized, if it was used to help, people
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  get into better political positions in Order Eileen stands
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  is a particularly interesting case because she is unlike any
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  other women serial killer in the vein of being transparent.
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  I do want to say that I have my biases about this case and I am
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  generally sympathetic to her plate.
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  I will do my best to tell the story as it happened and not
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  lean too hard, either direction and Brian.
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  If you're wondering who Eileen was a movie came out when we
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  were in high school. School called Monster.
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  Okay. Remember that movie with
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  Charlize Theron as Eileen? It was Charlize Theron and
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  Christina Ricci. Oh, okay.
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  I lie. I like Charlize did the work to
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  look identical to Eileen. Christina, did not look like The
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  Other Woman though. I vaguely.
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  Remember the movie. I haven't seen it in a while.
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  Okay. All right.
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  So, like every week we start at the beginning, Aileen, wuornos
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  was actually born Eileen, Carol, Pittman and watch Esther
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  Michigan. On February 29th, 1956.
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  Her parents were Diane and Leo deal Pittman.
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  And they were 14 and 16 years old.
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  When they got married on June, 3rd 1954, there were definitely
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  questions about whether this was a shotgun wedding because
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  Eileen's, older brother was born nine months after they got
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  married. Oh, on top of it, there are
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  definitely some discrepancies in the marriage certificate, and
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  it's believed that Diane's parents, may have faked her
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  birth certificate, so that she could get married, you know,
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  having babies out of wedlock was not okay back then.
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  And to be frank, history books, remember Leo Dale, Pittman as an
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  abusive psychopath bordering on potentially pedophilic.
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  There were certain discrepancies with Wiz age.
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  I saw multiple dates of birth for him, so the age range was
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  between 16 and 19. Oh, who exactly?
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  So one seems more reasonable. And one seems not reasonable at
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  all. That one's not good.
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  The 19's looking really bad on you buddy.
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  But regardless, they tried to make it work because now they
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  were married and Eileen was born about nine months after her
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  brother. What is the history books aren't
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  kind to Leo? Honestly, he was described as
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  kind of a monster of a person. They're only a couple stories.
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  We know about this man but that he was raised by his
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  grandparents. And then when his grandfather
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  died, his grandmother tried to like spoil him and like, make
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  him feel better because his grandfather was died and he
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  responded by physically beating the crap out of his grandmother
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  all the time, what? Hitting her when he wanted
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  money. They all said he used to tie
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  cats tails together and then put them over a clothesline and
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  watch them fight until one killed the other, bro.
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  No, yeah, Diane was absolutely terrified of her husband and
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  thankfully the children weren't old enough to experience these
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  things. The marriage didn't even make it
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  two years before Diana filed for divorce, Leo was not there for
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  Eileen's birth because he'd gotten himself, arrested for
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  raping a 17 year old girl and kidnapping her and trying to
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  take her to another state. He spent chime in prison into
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  different. Mental institutions was
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  diagnosed with schizophrenia before they finally sent him to
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  a regular prison. There were Rumors in town that
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  one of the other young girls, he was messing with went missing
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  and he'd tried to Her to go avoid going to jail in the end.
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  He ended up hanging himself in 1969.
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  Eileen didn't have any relationship with him.
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  Wow. Well, Diane didn't want to be a
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  mom, and she didn't want to be a single mom of two kids at only
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  17 years old even more. So finally in 1960, when Eileen
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  was for and Keith was sick, she dropped them off at her parents
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  house. And this is the most bizarre
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  thing, okay? Because Diane was like 18.
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  So she was still a kid herself. And so she would like, be around
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  every once in a while but Diane's parents Lori and Britta
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  10's adopted their grandchildren as their own children.
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  And then they move to Troy Michigan.
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  I mean, here's the thing. Keith was old enough to remember
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  that. He had a mom.
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  Oh, okay, that's different. Where's Mommy at Grandma's?
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  Like, I'm your mommy. Okay, I guess they really had no
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  intention of telling Eileen the truth and they hope that Keith
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  would just forget. I mean, you're 68 like that
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  memory is going to fade a little bit, but cats.
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  Gosh, darn it. Yeah, Laurie worked at the Ford
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  factory and Britta was a stay-at-home mom who was already
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  taking care of her. Other two kids on top of you
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  know Diane coming back and forth.
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  She wasn't really excited about having two more kids to deal
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  with but they finalize the adoption on March 19 1960.
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  They live This old like yellow one story Ranch House in Troy
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  off of Interstate 75 Eileen talks about.
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  Remembering the city of Troy as a really nice place.
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  It was kind of rural, a tight-knit community Lori.
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  And Britta were very nice to their neighbors, but not very
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  cordial, they never invited anyone into the house.
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  Britta kept the windows and the curtains shut tight.
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  And that was because they had a lot to hide.
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  Okay, both loriann Britta were Serious alcoholics.
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  Lori was a violent drunk, who abused both of the children,
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  physically and sexually Eileen said that it didn't start
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  sexually at first, but he beat her and a man that she stripped
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  before whipping her, sometimes it was over his knee.
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  Other times, he would have, whichever child was in trouble,
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  like bend over a table like spread eagle or like, over a bed
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  and a very sort of Psychological torture way, he would have the
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  children clean and like conditioned the leather belt
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  that he used. Wow, Eileen described it as
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  almost ritualistic, they had to like oil and clean and massage,
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  the item that was meant to hurt them.
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  That's that's like a kid going out to get the switch.
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  That's going to whoop your butt. Yes.
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  And people totally used to do that and it's super
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  traumatizing. Yeah.
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  Lori was a very intimidating man, and Eileen wasn't exactly
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  happy to be there. And from the beginning, she was
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  pushing back against his parenting.
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  And the thing is, once you're already beating, the ever-loving
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  crap out of a child, it's very hard to rein them in.
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  What are you going to do? Hit me some more people do beat
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  me, okay? Yeah, exactly.
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  And so it became very common as Eileen is growing up for them to
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  just fight and Lori would tell her that she was worthless.
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  Worthless Eileen set in her own by autobiography, and pretty
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  much every interview that she was sexually assaulted by both
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  her brother and her grandfather. And honestly, it's generally
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  believed that she was being pretty honest here because of a
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  lot of things were going to learn about her mental, health
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  relationship, with sex and intimacy.
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  And the thing is Keith was also sexually assaulted.
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  And so, the outlet for this pain, for the both of them was
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  setting fires when the children were eight and Six.
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  They were setting lighter fuel on fire and Eileen got a serious
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  burn. That was a scar on her face
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  pretty much for the rest of her life.
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  Now it's six Eileen. Enters Elementary School.
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  And I can't imagine the kids and the folks around town like
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  didn't know one of the children who lived near the wuornos house
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  and rode the bus with Keith and Eileen said that she always had
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  bruises on her arms cheeks and Chin.
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  They say this person is also said that, like people in town
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  knew that Keith and Eileen were sexual with each other, because
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  they remembered that the older boys used to tease Keith about
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  having sex with his sister. Oh my God.
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  So you already have that going into your school Rumor Mill but
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  it was like, nobody really liked Eileen.
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  And so she would watch like the other little kids like hold
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  hands and like little tiny packs on the flip side.
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  She was getting favor from the older boys, trading, sexual
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  favors for cigarettes at 11 years old.
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  Her classmates called her the cigarette Pig.
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  And the cigarette Bandit 1112 was also when Eileen learned
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  that her parents were not her parents, and they were her
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  grandparents. And at this point, she's already
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  a pretty violent kid. She's a terrible temper.
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  She's constantly fighting with Lori and this only set things
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  off. Further the fights got so bad,
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  that Christmas of 1968 Eileen said that Lori picked her up and
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  threw her out in the snow, and she tried to live in the woods,
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  but she came back. Two days later, he threw her out
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  again. And this time, she slept in like
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  abandoned cars. She ended up hanging out with
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  her friend, Dawn, Bodkins, and Don, and Eileen, actually
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  hitchhike to California. And this day, this solidified,
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  their best friendship. They actually would stay closed
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  until Eileen was executed. This is also the time that she
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  starts drinking and doing drugs, they ended up hitchhiking back
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  to Troy. And her grandfather did let her
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  stay there but they would also take trips to Hawthorne Park in
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  Detroit and they would buy drugs on Seven Mile Road by 12 years
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  old Eileen was already a full-blown alcoholic.
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  And she would just like, go out to like parties with older kids
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  and she would wake up with dried semen on her clothes or there
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  were situations where people would just like rape her at the
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  party. Like people were watching.
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  It's terrible. I told before we started today's
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  episode, I told Brian this wasn't going to be a good ride.
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  This is probably one of the worst childhoods of come across.
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  It's terrible at school. I'll I wasn't doing too well,
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  her only real interest was Art and she was considered to be
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  like a really good artist but she had trouble concentrating in
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  school. When she was 14, she set fire to
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  a roll of toilet paper and the girls bathroom.
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  And one of her teachers sent home a letter that was just like
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  it quote, for quote, it is vital for this girls welfare that she
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  seeks counseling immediately. Yes, I mean, yeah, That letter
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  was ignored in 9th grade Eileen was in class and accidentally
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  set off a chemical explosion. With one of her classmates, she
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  suffered more Burns to her face and arms and actually was
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  hospitalized for a few days and not allowed out of bed for
• 25:29
  months. I'm sure she was miserable being
• 25:33
  in the house all day with these people.
• 25:35
  Just stuck there. Yeah.
• 25:38
  Now 1970 was a particularly poignant year for Eileen.
• 25:41
  She made friends with this local guy people called chief.
• 25:44
  He was an older man who was dying from cancer and he used to
• 25:48
  let Eileen play records at his house and he got his jollies
• 25:54
  from asking Eileen, the, like, sit on his lap and he would give
• 25:58
  her money 1970s. Also that year she got pregnant,
• 26:03
  though nobody knew of the child was lorries or Keith's, or any
• 26:07
  of the other people who say, She assaulted her at the time.
• 26:10
  Britta was not having another child pregnancy on her watch.
• 26:14
  And so she said Eileen to a home for unmarried mothers.
• 26:20
  Those places you're just kind of supposed to live and wait until
• 26:23
  you give birth to the baby but Eileen was angry.
• 26:26
  And when the other pregnant girls tried to talk to her, she
• 26:31
  was like nasty to them. The honestly, the home couldn't
• 26:36
  wait until she gave birth on March 24, 1971.
• 26:41
  Oh, no, as a baby boy. Who was immediately, put up for
• 26:44
  adoption and was and they never heard from him again.
• 26:47
  Oh my goodness. Okay, now when Eileen comes
• 26:50
  back, Lori has some news for her.
• 26:52
  He's like I want you and Keith out forever and he threatens to
• 26:55
  kill them. If they don't leave British
• 26:59
  somehow softens her husband and gets in the middle of this
• 27:04
  fight. And she's just like, come on.
• 27:06
  They're only 15 and 17 years old.
• 27:09
  Give it some time. Coincidentally July 7th 1971.
• 27:15
  Britta wuornos died. Oh just a couple months later
• 27:20
  I'm going to say it seems really coincidental that it's a one
• 27:25
  protecting them four months later after she defied Lori, she
• 27:31
  dies. Apparently though she did have
• 27:34
  Have cancer, but it still it's just like maybe he helped it
• 27:40
  along is all I'm saying, no was liver failure.
• 27:43
  Sorry. I was thinking it was lung
• 27:44
  cancer from the smoking, liver failure from the alcohol.
• 27:48
  Oh, come on. Yeah.
• 27:49
  Okay. You could have kept feeding her.
• 27:50
  Yeah, I could see that happening.
• 27:52
  Yeah. Strangely though, Lori falls
• 27:56
  apart. He pretty much has a nervous
• 27:58
  breakdown, he tries to kill himself by flooding the basement
• 28:02
  with water and then he Stan's in the water with the power on.
• 28:08
  You could easily done that. I mean, I'm not very much less
• 28:13
  complicated ways to have yourself.
• 28:16
  Look, I'm not really give you the recipe or anything like that
• 28:18
  but you know how to do it, but I'm just saying there are much
• 28:25
  less complicated. Wait, yes ultimately, he ends up
• 28:29
  moving the kids to a new home, I guess, you know, to leave behind
• 28:33
  the memories of his wife and you know but he continued to decline
• 28:37
  and actually a couple Years later, he did succeed in killing
• 28:40
  himself by sitting in the garage with the car running and giving
• 28:45
  himself carbon monoxide. Poisoning Eileen was the one to
• 28:48
  find him and True to how much she didn't like this, man.
• 28:55
  She showed up at his funeral. Blu cigarette, smoke in his face
• 28:57
  and then left nice. Yeah, Eileen's mother Diane
• 29:03
  believe for many years. That Lori killed Britta, but
• 29:07
  like I said, the official record says liver failure.
• 29:12
  Like every one of the causes years.
• 29:16
  Later, Eileen's, Uncle one of the other children, Barry would
• 29:20
  testify her trial that he had never seen Lori beat Eileen and
• 29:23
  that they all had a normal upbringing.
• 29:25
  She was provided with food and shelter, but that Eileen was
• 29:29
  very angry. And I was just like one Barry
• 29:34
  being a good parent is more than just giving your kids food and
• 29:37
  shelter, and we need to move away from that as a country.
• 29:41
  Kids need compassion and kindness and they need to be
• 29:45
  taught, not just, you know, expected to learn everything
• 29:49
  there, themselves believe kids, learn stuff on around, you get
• 29:52
  bad results, but we're going to see some of those bad results to
• 29:56
  how Eileen was treated. I think that more than likely
• 30:01
  Barry wanted to paint his family.
• 30:05
  In a better light. She and Barry disputed.
• 30:11
  This testimony Until the End. Barry did say that Eileen was a
• 30:16
  good student. Had a wonderful artistic
• 30:17
  abilities. I'm also going to say that.
• 30:20
  Barry was an older child and he wasn't exactly there for most of
• 30:23
  the time that Eileen live with Lori.
• 30:26
  So how are you commenting on what you weren't there to see?
• 30:33
  Very true. It could have been a good parent
• 30:36
  to you. Yes, funny situations where step
• 30:39
  parents will sexually assault the kid, that's not related to
• 30:42
  them. So technically, this child was
• 30:46
  related to him in a two-generation, kind of skip
• 30:49
  still gross. Absolutely.
• 30:54
  Now, when Diane learned that her father died, she offered Keith
• 30:57
  and Eileen a place to stay and taxes, but both of them were
• 31:01
  like ill, no Eileen. Quit school left, home started,
• 31:07
  hitchhiking and prostituting, just to get away from Troy.
• 31:10
  Despite the scars on her face, she was still a very pretty fit
• 31:14
  15 year old and a certain kind of clientele are always looking
• 31:18
  for somebody who is exactly that age and to that specification
• 31:23
  and I'll get into it further. Okay, despite the fact that she
• 31:28
  had her hustle figured out Eileen was still deeply
• 31:31
  depressed, and she just kind of bounced from City to City.
• 31:35
  She pops up on the legal record of 18 years old.
• 31:38
  She gets arrested in Jefferson, Colorado, May twenty seventh,
• 31:41
  nineteen seventy-four driving Under the Influence also
• 31:44
  underage drinking. She also got a charge for
• 31:46
  disorderly conduct for firing, a 22 caliber pistol out of the car
• 31:51
  while she was drunk driving. So, she was just joy riding and
• 31:54
  shooting in the air. She was whooping it up, okay?
• 31:57
  Eileen ignored, this move to another state.
• 32:00
  And when her court case came she wasn't there They added on
• 32:05
  failure to appear to Harry now, very massive list of crimes.
• 32:09
  And only one day, the police were never able to track her
• 32:13
  because she gave them her working name at the time, which
• 32:15
  was Sondra Crush. I'd love it.
• 32:19
  Okay, now Eileen decides she's gonna hitchhike down to Florida,
• 32:22
  Florida, seems nice. And once she's down there, she
• 32:25
  meets 69 year old multi-millionaire Lewis Gratz
• 32:28
  fell, he picked her up. And honestly, Lewis was
• 32:32
  immediately enamored with her. And Eileen was like, this is
• 32:37
  weird but he has a lot of money Lewis.
• 32:42
  Gratz was the yacht club president of his area which I
• 32:45
  didn't realize what that means. You have money money.
• 32:48
  You're the president of the yacht club.
• 32:51
  I don't even know anything about that because we don't live
• 32:53
  anywhere near where Yachts can hang out.
• 32:57
  This is true. This is true.
• 32:58
  But I figure if you're like, they'll present of a yacht club.
• 33:01
  Yeah you got to have that money. That's that's money.
• 33:04
  Money, real money problem here. Was that Eileen was a poor girl
• 33:08
  with a horrible operating who didn't trust anyone.
• 33:11
  And she was definitely used to men only hurting her or using
• 33:14
  her. She didn't see that Lewis was
• 33:17
  trying to be like a white knight and he thought he found like a
• 33:20
  pretty girl who was kind of nice and he's like if I just offer
• 33:23
  her everything, she'll settle down be the Stepford Wife.
• 33:26
  That I want you know Coast me into my Twilight years.
• 33:31
  He offers to Mary Eileen and she's like, okay sure.
• 33:35
  Some reports have said that she loved him but at this point in
• 33:39
  her life I don't think Eileen was capable of really loving a
• 33:42
  man or anybody I think she appreciated not being poor.
• 33:52
  Their wedding was March 1976. She was 20 years old.
• 33:56
  They took photos that appeared in the local newspaper.
• 33:58
  This was like High Society news and I'm going to tell you their
• 34:01
  marriage. Lasted only nine weeks.
• 34:04
  Oh damn twenty-year-old Eileen was wild angry.
• 34:09
  She had a horrible temper. Just a few weeks after being
• 34:13
  murdered, she got arrested and put in jail for assaulting
• 34:16
  somebody in a bar when she got back out.
• 34:20
  Husband was like I need you to like stop drinking and doing
• 34:23
  drugs and she hit him with his own cane to try and force him to
• 34:28
  give her money. That's that's a good way to get
• 34:33
  money I guess. Well, so Lewis was done.
• 34:36
  He filed for an annulment put her out of his house.
• 34:39
  Eileen was like, yeah, might as well go back to Michigan and she
• 34:42
  gets arrested in Antrim County for assault and disturbing the
• 34:45
  peace. Oh my God!
• 34:47
  Yeah, she was at a bar and through a cue ball at the
• 34:49
  bartender's had. No, somehow, she avoids jail
• 34:53
  time there and on July 17th of the same year, she learns that
• 34:57
  Keith died from esophageal cancer and then a couple days
• 35:00
  after That her husband gets granted that annulment because
• 35:03
  of the abuse. I mean, is now husbandless.
• 35:06
  She does get ten thousand dollars from her brother's life
• 35:09
  insurance policy which she ran through part of.
• 35:12
  It was because she had to pay off, court fees and attorneys
• 35:15
  and things. But the rest she spent on a new
• 35:17
  car, which she immediately racked one month later in
• 35:20
  August, while drunk driving, and she crude 105 dollar, fine?
• 35:29
  For drunk driving. That's it.
• 35:32
  I mean, it was 1976. Okay.
• 35:35
  All right. Gotta remember that.
• 35:37
  And that's today's money today. It's like a four thousand dollar
• 35:41
  fine and you might lose your license definitely.
• 35:44
  Now, there was a rumor that Fred was murdered, but that was just
• 35:46
  the media. He lived a long life until the
• 35:49
  age of 92 passed on January 6, 2009 funny business, natural
• 35:53
  causes he never spoke of Eileen ever again.
• 35:57
  He's like, this is the last time I Help or random pretty girl
• 36:00
  out. I'll Aunt Eileen me.
• 36:04
  I just stay off the criminal record for the next two years.
• 36:07
  This time. She pops up in a newspaper
• 36:09
  article in 1978, because she tried to kill herself by
• 36:13
  shooting herself in the stomach Eileen said, in her
• 36:16
  autobiography, that this was the sixth time.
• 36:19
  She tried to kill herself since she was 14 years old, she falls
• 36:24
  off the radar. Again, until May 20th 1981 at 23
• 36:28
  years old, she's living in Edgewater Florida.
• 36:30
  Now, she gets arrested for Robbery for stealing $35 and two
• 36:35
  packs of cigarettes. She was held and then sentenced
• 36:39
  to prison on. May 4th 1982 released on June
• 36:43
  30th 1983. The force was not with her that
• 36:49
  day less than a year. Later, May 1st 1984.
• 36:52
  She gets arrested in Key West trying to cash forged checks at
• 36:55
  a bank. November 30th 1985, she's named
• 36:59
  in the local papers. In Pasco County Florida as a
• 37:01
  suspect in the theft of a revolver, and also ammunition a
• 37:06
  couple months after that. January 4th 1986, she gets
• 37:09
  arrested again. This time at Miami for car
• 37:12
  theft, resisting arrest and obstruction of justice.
• 37:15
  She was caring and D with her aunts name on it and she was
• 37:18
  carrying a 38 caliber revolver and a box of ammo in her car.
• 37:22
  Yeah. She's can't stay awake somehow
• 37:26
  she skips bail disappears. Again, they find her again in
• 37:31
  Volusia County, Florida. June 2nd 1986 this time because
• 37:37
  She was hanging out with a guy and she pulled a gun on him and
• 37:40
  demanded $200. That's what he said.
• 37:44
  When they detained her they discovered ammunition in her car
• 37:47
  and a 22 caliber pistol under the passenger seat that she'd
• 37:49
  been sitting in. So it's probably true.
• 37:54
  Yeah. She is trying to rob him.
• 37:58
  It was actually that that Eileen had her first and probably only
• 38:03
  relationship she met tyria, more a tag, Bar called zodiac in
• 38:08
  Daytona. Florida.
• 38:10
  Tyria was 24 years old from Cadiz.
• 38:12
  Oh Ohio and a hotel. Maid.
• 38:15
  Ty as Eileen called her. Had left could is immediately
• 38:20
  because it was a really small town of only 3,000 people.
• 38:24
  And you can't really be a lesbian, when the town's a
• 38:27
  small. She left behind her, father, who
• 38:30
  was a carpenter and a brick mason and a sister and three
• 38:33
  brothers. Now, from the moment that tie
• 38:36
  and Eileen, Matt, it was an instant connection, but it was
• 38:39
  also toxic and it would stay that way for the next four
• 38:42
  years. They moved in together fairly
• 38:44
  quickly for Eileen. She was just desperate for
• 38:47
  affection. This was anything that she ever
• 38:49
  wanted, someone who genuinely loved her and so Eileen.
• 38:53
  Sell no issue with supporting both of them through her work as
• 38:56
  a prostitute and tied did stay with a lean through a lot of
• 39:01
  stuff, they could barely afford to survive.
• 39:04
  Are constantly moving from hotel to hotel sleeping in the woods
• 39:07
  or on Old Barn so they couldn't afford it.
• 39:10
  In the meantime, 1986 turns the 1987 Eileen's now 33 years old
• 39:15
  and she's finding that her ability to make money as a
• 39:18
  professional. Is kind of changing.
• 39:23
  She isn't the perky funny twenty-year-old anymore and
• 39:26
  unfortunately a lot of men who engage with prostitutes like
• 39:29
  women a lot younger than they are, The frequent loud
• 39:33
  outbursts, never stopped, but I loved her anyway, Eileen called
• 39:40
  tie, her wife and 97th, I managed to scrounge up enough
• 39:44
  money to buy an old trailer and they live in this crappy trailer
• 39:48
  park. And all I could say, is they
• 39:50
  kept the other residents entertained.
• 39:54
  There are always a string of scraggly looking men showing up
• 39:59
  and coming in and out of the trailer.
• 40:03
  The land they were on was full of just stuff and then sometimes
• 40:09
  the women would be seen outside in just their underwear.
• 40:14
  And so people thought they were pretty wild but finally, one
• 40:17
  night neighbor said, there was like loud music and they heard
• 40:21
  gunshots. And the next day they were like
• 40:24
  can you leave Can you just move away, please?
• 40:33
  We don't want you here anymore. You guys are just rowdy rowdy
• 40:36
  for us, our sex life. It's complicated Ty, would say
• 40:39
  later on court that they were more like sisters and lovers.
• 40:43
  The main struggle, was that tie felt that Eileen liked her work
• 40:45
  a bit too much. And Eileen would later say that
• 40:48
  her love for Ty, was greater than it was a greater love and
• 40:52
  was not entirely sexual. For Eileen.
• 40:55
  She was getting the love and connection.
• 40:56
  She'd never gotten from her parents or anybody else in her
• 40:59
  life. Now July 4th, 1987, both Thai
• 41:02
  and Eileen get to teen for questioning after someone at a
• 41:05
  bar is hit with a beer bottle. I wonder, who did that?
• 41:10
  On March 12, 1988 Eileen calls, the cops on a bus driver for
• 41:13
  throwing her off a bus. She said that he assaulted her
• 41:17
  and tie the bus driver was like, Thai and Eileen were arguing and
• 41:20
  it was really bad and he told him to get off the bus to
• 41:23
  protect the safety of the passengers and they didn't.
• 41:29
  Despite the constant out person fighting, there was real love
• 41:32
  there at her trial. Eileen said, it was love Beyond
• 41:35
  imaginable. Earthly words cannot describe
• 41:38
  how I felt about Terry at Now, there's massive speculation
• 41:43
  about how much time you about these murders and that lies in
• 41:47
  the fact that she was still dating.
• 41:49
  She was dating tie the entire time Eileen was killing people.
• 41:54
  The first murder and she didn't leave until Thanksgiving of
• 41:59
  1990, which was right after she killed the last man.
• 42:05
  I mean, like an that's that goes for like a lot of women in like,
• 42:11
  the men that are serial killers, you know?
• 42:13
  I mean like the women don't know that their husbands are.
• 42:16
  He's fucking murderers and shit. Like how would she know just
• 42:20
  because they're dating. Oh wow, yes and my Like, We Tell
• 42:24
  Em, we tell each other, everything going to give you
• 42:26
  some information, maybe you'll change your mind on that a
• 42:29
  little later. Ultimately, the two would
• 42:32
  exchange phone calls that would lead to Eileen's arrest and they
• 42:36
  wouldn't see each other after that, until the courtroom went,
• 42:41
  I testified against Eileen but we will discuss that part of the
• 42:44
  story. Later, we're going to talk about
• 42:46
  the murders that happened between December 1989 and
• 42:49
  September 1990. Not only maintains that she
• 42:53
  always killed these men out of self-defense in her own words.
• 42:56
  Hookers are like cab drivers, you get good fairs and bad
• 42:59
  fairs. That judge said I killed him for
• 43:02
  money. I've been with hundreds of men
• 43:04
  who had money. I only killed seven.
• 43:06
  So what does that tell you? Seven of them have.
• 43:11
  He says that seven of them got rocks with her and that's why
• 43:14
  she killed them. But Eileen that, Richard
• 43:17
  Richard, Mallory, when she was hitchhiking on December 1st,
• 43:20
  1989 is about 3. A.m. they pulled off to the side
• 43:23
  of the road way from Daytona to get busy as Eileen.
• 43:26
  Tells it, they smoked drank, she got naked.
• 43:29
  She said that Richard did not, she said that he couldn't get
• 43:33
  hard so he got angry and hit her.
• 43:35
  She said she tried to give him a blow job too.
• 43:37
  To help him along but that didn't help.
• 43:41
  She said that he held her down and slapped her and she grabbed
• 43:44
  her gun and shot him. That story changed later to say
• 43:48
  that he had tied her up and raped her with a blunt object.
• 43:52
  That's the version of the story that they use in the film
• 43:55
  monster. But regardless, I lean believe
• 43:58
  that this man was a threat and she killed him.
• 44:01
  So, the thing here, is that Eileen's testimony.
• 44:05
  Like, she would go on to say that the police knew that
• 44:09
  Richard. Mallory was a predator.
• 44:12
  And he was the 51 year old owner of Clearwater Electronics,
• 44:17
  apparently was known to close his shop and just disappear on
• 44:23
  sex and alcohol fueled vendors. He only hired enough staff to
• 44:26
  clear up the backlog of orders from when he left and then he
• 44:29
  fired them all the police, caught him multiple times with
• 44:32
  drugs and prostitutes. And in Eileen's case, the jury
• 44:36
  wasn't allowed to know that he had done 10 years.
• 44:39
  In the Maryland, State Mental Institution for an attempt to
• 44:42
  Rape, he's divorced five times. Have recently ended things with
• 44:46
  his girlfriend. Jackie Davis before he met
• 44:48
  Eileen, he was also on the edge of bankruptcy because he was
• 44:51
  spending so much money on this CD side of his life.
• 44:57
  For me, I always saw this moment as like to very angry alcoholic
• 45:02
  people met each other in a moment where they were both
• 45:06
  struggling financially and using sex as an outlet.
• 45:13
  Yeah. And then once yeah then once one
• 45:16
  couldn't we do that. We don't know if that was true
• 45:19
  or not but like they were both like right.
• 45:22
  You try to terrible people and so we don't know who threw the
• 45:26
  first Punch or who started it first but we know how it ended.
• 45:33
  On Monday, December 3rd, 1989, Richard didn't show up for work.
• 45:36
  His staff and clients are pretty used to this, so nobody called
• 45:38
  it in. He didn't have any close friends
• 45:40
  or family to worry about him. In fact, it wasn't till the cops
• 45:43
  found his Cadillac abandoned near Ormond Beach that they got
• 45:47
  suspicious. The police wouldn't have looked
• 45:51
  into it further, if they hadn't noticed there was some blood
• 45:54
  behind the steering wheel that hadn't been cleaned off.
• 45:56
  They found his wallet, a short distance from the car, random
• 46:00
  papers expired, credit cards and ID.
• 46:02
  They found some plastic glasses, a half-filled bottle of Smirnoff
• 46:06
  vodka and empty. Budweiser, the police definitely
• 46:10
  believe that Mallory hadn't been alone and someone was driving
• 46:14
  his car, who was pretty short, because the seat had been pulled
• 46:17
  up all the way they, they, Is it for prints?
• 46:20
  They towed it to where it was analyzed. and, That was really
• 46:26
  it with the car until December 13th.
• 46:29
  When Jimmy Bochy and James Davis were out looking for scrap near
• 46:33
  Interstate 95 and they found Richard It's about five miles
• 46:39
  away from where his car was dumped.
• 46:41
  His body was under a cardboard box and only his fingers were
• 46:44
  peeking out. His Dentures were laying next to
• 46:48
  the body. They ended up taking his hands
• 46:52
  to the crime lab to get prints because when there's massive
• 46:55
  decomposition, they do have to do extra things to get a
• 46:58
  workable print. It was assumed decomposed too
• 47:01
  much for a proper autopsy, so they took him to a funeral home
• 47:04
  and dr. Arthur botting came by and a
• 47:07
  certified, his death The police really focused on Richards
• 47:11
  outrageous lifestyle, and they ran down as many leads as they
• 47:14
  could. Does he owe people money?
• 47:17
  Is he a bet? Was there a bad drug deal?
• 47:19
  Nothing really came from it. He had recently seen a stripper
• 47:22
  who went by the name of Chastity and Chastity.
• 47:24
  Had told all the clubs at her. All the girls at her club that
• 47:28
  Richard was a pervert and to not like deal with him.
• 47:31
  So they wondered like maybe he attacked her and she fought
• 47:34
  back, but she had an alibi. The case went cold.
• 47:38
  By May of 1998, was already forgotten his sister in Texas
• 47:43
  and brother and New Jersey assumed.
• 47:45
  It was just Richard being Richard and they didn't really
• 47:47
  want to deal with him or his death.
• 47:50
  His electronics shop was taken over by a man named mr.
• 47:53
  Townley. And the name was changed to
• 47:55
  Johnny's TV and VCR of Palm Harbor, Yeah, Richard's.
• 48:05
  Yeah, he actually had him cremated and she sprinkled his
• 48:10
  ashes, tiwa tell the police that Eileen came home with a Cadillac
• 48:16
  that she knew was stolen. But she didn't know, the man was
• 48:19
  dead. But then later Eileen told her
• 48:21
  the man was dead. They used the car to move their
• 48:24
  stuff to a new apartment and then Island got rid of that.
• 48:27
  Like both Eileen and tie mentioned in their testimony.
• 48:36
  That like Eileen was just like I killed a man and I was just
• 48:40
  like, don't talk about that. Don't say things like that.
• 48:50
  No no I don't know if I believed her but I told her to shut up
• 48:54
  like listen. Ty was given homegirl.
• 48:58
  Good advice, plausible, deniability, look, shut up,
• 49:03
  don't tell me about that. Yeah.
• 49:04
  Okay, the thing you always say, don't tell me about what I said,
• 49:07
  and it's for this reason that I would stick by her story, but
• 49:13
  Eileen gave her a jacket that had the name, Richard in it and
• 49:17
  a scarf to belong to him. Then she pawned as much of his
• 49:20
  crap as she could. Don't be giving me the gift from
• 49:27
  your killed, your souvenirs. They made enough money off of
• 49:30
  Richard, though, the last a couple months and then there was
• 49:32
  David Spears. Now Spears was not like Richard,
• 49:36
  he was considered to be a nice normal hard-working guy, he was
• 49:39
  43 years old and recently divorced he lived a Winter
• 49:42
  Garden near Orlando and worked in construction.
• 49:44
  He's a big guy like 64 but described as a gentle giant like
• 49:49
  I said he was divorced but he was so nice to his ex-wife like
• 49:53
  he just gave her money. It was Mandated by the court,
• 49:56
  he, the wife was taken care of their 17 year old daughter, and
• 50:00
  he was just like, I just want her to be happy you to be happy.
• 50:03
  Like good guy. In fact, just before he met
• 50:07
  Island, he spoke to his ex-wife D.
• 50:09
  On May 18th 1990. And told her that they were
• 50:11
  going to meet the following day between 2:00 and 2:30.
• 50:17
  May 19, well, maybe I don't know and so he ended up running a
• 50:22
  little late and he was heading down I-75 to Tampa and we just
• 50:25
  know that somewhere between US 27 and I for about 26 miles from
• 50:30
  home, that's where he picked up, Eileen Eileen would later, tell
• 50:35
  the police that they pulled off the road, you know she will Oh
• 50:47
  gosh, it was an eerie hum Homosassa Springs, so many s's
• 50:53
  in this name and she said that it was so far into the woods
• 50:57
  that David was tried. The truck will get stuck.
• 51:00
  They did find his truck abandoned 10 miles, west of
• 51:02
  Orange Springs and Marion County on Sunday.
• 51:05
  They found blonde hair on the steering wheel and a rib Trojan
• 51:08
  condom wrapper on the floor. Everything that he had in his
• 51:13
  car, was missing his work tools, close ceramics, That you have a
• 51:17
  panther that he was going to be giving 2D and just like with
• 51:21
  Richard, the driver's seat was pulled up way, too close to the
• 51:23
  steering wheel which let the police know.
• 51:25
  The last person who drove the car wasn't.
• 51:26
  Its owner, his remains were found on June 1st.
• 51:30
  A man by the name of Matthew cocking was out walking in the
• 51:33
  woods and found David's remains. It was pretty badly, decomposed
• 51:38
  nude except for a baby like a camouflage.
• 51:40
  Baseball cap and the used Trojan was on the ground near his body
• 51:46
  alone. Loan with an empty cans of bush.
• 51:49
  And Budweiser, it's not so much that the remains were sitting
• 51:54
  there for so long. I mean they were there for a
• 51:56
  while but also it's hot and like sticky down in Florida.
• 51:59
  So it only makes it worse. The Remains were so badly
• 52:04
  decomposed. It took them time to figure out
• 52:07
  the age sex and cause of death. Yeah, his autopsy was get on
• 52:13
  June 4th. How to explain this.
• 52:17
  He was a big guy like 200 pounds and there was very little flesh
• 52:22
  left in the remains. The doctor got like 40 pounds of
• 52:26
  bone and a very little skin. Her name is dr.
• 52:32
  Janet pillow and she was able to find 6 22, caliber pistols and
• 52:37
  Strikes. 22 caliber pistol bullets and she was able to get
• 52:41
  a good cast of his teeth with his dental records.
• 52:44
  They were able to talk to his friends and family.
• 52:48
  They learned from deed, his ex-wife that they were meeting
• 52:51
  because his daughter was graduating from high school and
• 52:53
  he was giving her money for graduation.
• 52:56
  D, was able to tell the police that he told her that he was
• 52:59
  giving her. Couple hundred dollars to help
• 53:01
  with the supplies and that he also kept about $600 in his
• 53:06
  truck for emergencies with all the tools and things that were
• 53:09
  Pond Eileen took in well over a thousand dollars killing David
• 53:14
  Spears. but then just before they had a chance to really dig
• 53:19
  into David's case they find another body five days later,
• 53:24
  This is Charles Chuck car Skadden.
• 53:28
  It's mid-may. He's 41 years old and Chuck was
• 53:32
  on the way from his mother's house, okay?
• 53:38
  In Bonn and Boonville Missouri, there's a bond, Bill Missouri,
• 53:41
  forgot to look that one up, always look up the names.
• 53:44
  Regardless, he's Comin From Missouri and he was going to
• 53:47
  Tampa to pick up his fiancee Peggy.
• 53:50
  He was a former Road Digger and rodeo rider.
• 53:52
  And at the time of his death, a printing, press operator, back
• 53:56
  in Missouri and he was hoping to start a life with a little less
• 53:59
  hard labor and a new bride Anderson.
• 54:03
  Get enough Eileen. Forfor to Chuck both in her book
• 54:06
  and to the police as The drug dealer, but there's no record
• 54:11
  that he was a drug dealer. Eileen.
• 54:15
  Yeah, Eileen. So that they stop for sex and he
• 54:17
  only had $20 and he wasn't going to give her any more money.
• 54:21
  She said that when they were both in the back seat he called
• 54:23
  her a fucking bitch and she shot him seven times.
• 54:28
  Then she reloaded got out of the car and shot him toes to two
• 54:31
  more times. She said that he had a 45 and
• 54:35
  she thought that he was going to hurt her so she killed him
• 54:38
  first. Now you can tell he was a drug
• 54:42
  dealer because the only had $20. All right, he had enough money
• 54:47
  for gas to get to Peggy. And that was it there's a who's
• 54:53
  over the course of Eileen's court case, she would change
• 54:56
  these stories multiple times. First thing was self-defense, it
• 54:59
  was about money than it was back to self-defense like Ultimately
• 55:04
  they find Chuck's body on Wednesday, June 6, covered in
• 55:06
  leaves and tree branches and a green.
• 55:08
  Electric blanket has autopsy showed he'd been shot, nine
• 55:11
  times, the 22 caliber pistol, his 1975 brown, Cadillac was
• 55:15
  found 45 miles. North of where the body was
• 55:19
  dumped. The following day, the plates
• 55:22
  had been trashed but they were able to trace the owner to the
• 55:26
  VIN. Number Chuck's mom told the
• 55:29
  police that he did carry a 45 caliber pistol with Pearl
• 55:33
  handle. He also had in his car with him,
• 55:36
  a Mexican blanket, a stun gun, a flip-top lighter, a watch, and a
• 55:39
  tan suitcase, and that he was also wearing his gray snakeskin
• 55:43
  boots. When he left her house, she also
• 55:45
  told the police that he had removed, the firing pin from the
• 55:48
  gun because his only intention was to use it to scare people.
• 55:55
  None of those things were found in his car, The Spoils of
• 55:59
  murder. Of course, of course.
• 56:02
  Now Eileen's, on a roll, now, her next victim is Peter symes a
• 56:05
  devout Christian, Peter was the 65 years old.
• 56:09
  And if he retired from a life of being a merchant Seaman, he was
• 56:13
  living in Jupiter, Florida in Martin County and the same day
• 56:16
  that Chuck's car. Captain's car was found, Peter
• 56:18
  was seen filling his car with Bibles and Luggage.
• 56:21
  He was taking his 1988, silver Pontiac Sundberg out to be a
• 56:26
  witness to the heathens. His intention was to drive to
• 56:30
  see his relatives in Arkansas, and New Jersey and in the
• 56:34
  middle, if he met a couple of Sinners and could convert them
• 56:36
  and he considered that to be a good trip.
• 56:39
  He promised his wife, he call her once he stopped for the
• 56:41
  night and he never made it to the first motel.
• 56:47
  Oh, wow. His wife.
• 56:49
  Laura the police the following morning.
• 56:52
  Eileen would later. Tell the police that he'd become
• 56:55
  threatening during sex. So she shot him.
• 56:59
  Peter is the only body that was never found.
• 57:04
  But she said they met somewhere in Georgia.
• 57:09
  His car was found because someone else was driving it.
• 57:15
  Imagine that was a seat. Pull all the way up as well.
• 57:18
  So I'm gonna give you this. So it's aren't Springs Florida,
• 57:22
  nice area. There's this couple Rhonda and
• 57:25
  Jim Bailey sitting outside sipping, some lemonade, its
• 57:28
  Fourth of July, there's car enters.
• 57:30
  The block, takes a hard turn skid sideways, smashes through a
• 57:34
  steel gate and a barbed wire fence.
• 57:36
  The windshield shattered comes to a stop so quickly that it
• 57:40
  almost rolls over. The couple sees two, women get
• 57:45
  out of the car and they were able to tell the police that the
• 57:47
  blonde woman was bleeding. Come on.
• 57:51
  They also tell her the blonde woman throws the her beer cans
• 57:55
  into the woods while yelling at the second woman in the car.
• 57:58
  Then they grabbed a cooler from the backseat and ran into the
• 58:00
  woods, a neighbor like ran out and offered to help them.
• 58:04
  But Eileen like was like, no, please don't.
• 58:07
  Don't call the police. My father lives down the road,
• 58:09
  it's his car. They drove off very quickly, but
• 58:16
  ultimately, they only drove to get rid of the car that had two
• 58:19
  tires that were flat. And the radiator was smoking.
• 58:23
  They took off the plates through them in the woods along with the
• 58:25
  keys. The neighbors did not listen to
• 58:28
  you Eileen and absolute forcing on us and called the police.
• 58:33
  Because this lady is bleeding. Now, the police are driving down
• 58:36
  the road and they don't see the cards, just her aunt.
• 58:39
  I walk in the police are like, you sound like the woman who got
• 58:43
  in a car accident. Yeah, and she's like, okay,
• 58:47
  leave me alone. I just want to go home as the
• 58:50
  police were all right. Whatever they decide, they're
• 58:55
  going to keep looking for the car because It was a crash car.
• 59:00
  Where did it go? So write it destroyed property
• 59:04
  to write definitely somebody's property when she smashed
• 59:07
  through their fence. Yeah, it sounds like a business
• 59:11
  though. Generally businesses have like
• 59:12
  the barbed wire and the steel Gates regardless though later
• 59:16
  that night, the police police officer finds the car.
• 59:19
  It's found in like the underbrush under like leaves and
• 59:22
  thinks there's blood all over this car, including bloody
• 59:26
  fingerprints. It's very quickly connected.
• 59:29
  Connected to Peter, symes missing, and just like all the
• 59:32
  other cars, all Peter stuff gone, just trash and beer cans
• 59:36
  left in. They were able to find a
• 59:38
  leftover receipt from a local gas station and That showed the
• 59:49
  two of those women in that car, at that gas station.
• 59:55
  So the police put out a bolo to find two women seen in this
• 59:58
  missing man's car. They also send out a description
• 1:00:00
  of them along with their sketches because they've now
• 1:00:03
  made all manner of witnesses. You're right.
• 1:00:08
  Yes, afford, a criminal activity, bulletin and an
• 1:00:10
  officer, John was Wisniewski. Who'd been working the case
• 1:00:15
  since the beginning? Honestly, he wasn't really.
• 1:00:18
  For usually, when people kill people like this, like they
• 1:00:24
  would steal the Identity or use the credit cards or break into
• 1:00:27
  the person's bank account, but these women had done any of them
• 1:00:31
  and he had no idea why, like, they left his personal effects,
• 1:00:35
  and I'm guessing only took the cash.
• 1:00:38
  Now, despite having a absolute boat load of bloody
• 1:00:41
  fingerprints, and remember, Eileen has been arrested in
• 1:00:44
  like, six different towns in Florida.
• 1:00:48
  They do not check these fingerprints for anything.
• 1:00:54
  Why not? Because that always happens at
• 1:00:58
  all these pieces. Brian.
• 1:01:01
  Oh my god, of course she kills. Again, Eugene Troy Perez. 50
• 1:01:07
  years old on the day, he met Eileen, he lived in Ocala, just
• 1:01:10
  15 minutes from Orange Springs with his wife Rose, a call is a
• 1:01:13
  resort town, in a really nice spot for retirees.
• 1:01:16
  Troy still worked a little bit as the sausage salesman for the
• 1:01:19
  Gilchrist Sausage Company, but he had retired.
• 1:01:22
  From his former job, which is a lot more demanding than selling
• 1:01:25
  sausages. He had run Troy's pools in Boca,
• 1:01:28
  Raton until 1980 time, 89 when it went under.
• 1:01:31
  And he decided that he was done with the pool cleaning business,
• 1:01:34
  it's too hard. Couldn't keep up with the demand
• 1:01:37
  so on July 30th 1990, Joy's just heading out for a normal day at
• 1:01:41
  work. He's going to hit a couple of
• 1:01:42
  stops, saw some sausages to some clients they already have and
• 1:01:46
  then head home. His it was his Daytona route.
• 1:01:49
  That he was going to head back through Salt Springs.
• 1:01:51
  Stop by the Ation and come end going back to Orange brings when
• 1:01:58
  he didn't come back from work, his manager Johnny Mae Thompson,
• 1:02:01
  started making calls, she called the customers, he was supposed
• 1:02:04
  to visit and discovered that he had never made it to the last
• 1:02:06
  delivery and I mrs. Thompson knew something was
• 1:02:09
  wrong because she's like, he's either hurt or sick or something
• 1:02:11
  because he would have called it the car broke down.
• 1:02:14
  So she decided to drive the route because she knew the way
• 1:02:17
  that he was going and see if she could find him when that didn't
• 1:02:21
  work, she called Troy's wife, Troy's wife called around and
• 1:02:25
  they reported him missing at 2 a.m. at 4 a.m.
• 1:02:28
  Marion County. PD found his delivery van on the
• 1:02:31
  shoulder of Sr 19. It's about 20 miles away from
• 1:02:34
  home. He was only a few miles from his
• 1:02:37
  next delivery but Troy's bodies nowhere to be found.
• 1:02:43
  Less. Okay, yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Less than a week later, a family out for a picnic stumbles across
• 1:02:48
  his body and the alcohol, a national forest.
• 1:02:50
  It was eight miles away from the delivery van.
• 1:02:54
  Augustine. Florida is a bad time to be in
• 1:02:57
  Florida. So even though this was only a
• 1:03:01
  week and change from when he went missing, it was he looked
• 1:03:05
  real bad his wife Community? Yeah, his wife confirmed his
• 1:03:10
  identity based on his wedding ring which he was still wearing.
• 1:03:14
  He had he been killed with two shots, from a 22 caliber
• 1:03:16
  revolver one to the chest, and another to the back, all of the
• 1:03:20
  money that Troy had made that day have been stolen.
• 1:03:24
  Now, Eileen told the police that he took her into the woods
• 1:03:27
  ordered, her to strip, and then wave ten dollars in her face and
• 1:03:31
  told her that's all you're worth.
• 1:03:33
  She also claimed he sexually assaulted her and that's why she
• 1:03:36
  shot him in the chest, and when he tried to run away, she shot
• 1:03:38
  him in the back. So this man was at work, right?
• 1:03:44
  He was driving for work and his uniform in his sausage truck
• 1:03:50
  with the name of the business on the side.
• 1:03:52
  So, She wants folks to believe that he stopped for a little
• 1:03:59
  strange, right? Like, and I don't believe it.
• 1:04:03
  That's hard to believe, I don't believe that one.
• 1:04:05
  Either like it is that when I don't believe, I like I said, I
• 1:04:09
  think at this point now, like I think Eileen's brain shifted
• 1:04:12
  from like one of the things that I've talked about when I talk
• 1:04:15
  about this case is that we have somebody who Associates men with
• 1:04:20
  pain and trauma. But she also It's men with money
• 1:04:26
  and what she needs to survive that Duality has to be
• 1:04:30
  constantly fighting itself. Those 22.
• 1:04:36
  You know, Trails of thought, right?
• 1:04:39
  And so I think that Honestly, I think by this point she's gone,
• 1:04:45
  she snapped. I don't doubt that in her head,
• 1:04:50
  she's perceiving minor things as threats at this.
• 1:04:54
  But ultimately, like she still knows that.
• 1:04:56
  If somebody threatens, you don't shoot them.
• 1:04:58
  Like no. Because there's thing when
• 1:05:01
  you've been sexually assaulted or traumatized in a certain way,
• 1:05:04
  there are multiple ways that you handle it.
• 1:05:05
  And a lot of the ways that people deal with it is called
• 1:05:07
  hyper-vigilance. I experienced this.
• 1:05:10
  When I leave the house, I am always on a constant watch.
• 1:05:13
  Who's that person across the street?
• 1:05:14
  Is there? Somebody walking behind me?
• 1:05:16
  What are my surroundings? Even if I have my headphones on
• 1:05:18
  their never, too loud. So I can always hear of somebody
• 1:05:21
  cat calls or something because of things that happened when I
• 1:05:24
  was younger Like a teen and people like kind of riding up on
• 1:05:27
  me and scaring the shit out of me so I don't doubt that she
• 1:05:31
  wasn't hyper-vigilant. I think that at this point it's
• 1:05:37
  completely like the the it's a hairpin trigger, okay, okay.
• 1:05:43
  If she perceives any of these people to be remotely
• 1:05:47
  threatening, bang, bang it. If you don't do exactly what she
• 1:05:51
  says, which is give her money, she does the sex she leaves.
• 1:05:56
  She's like, he's gonna hurt me. He's dangerous.
• 1:05:59
  And I think that she believed that, but she still knew it was
• 1:06:04
  wrong because we all know that shooting people is wrong,
• 1:06:07
  regardless of our mental health, know that murder is Good.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah, unless you're like an infant or somebody like is where
• 1:06:15
  you're under, right? So even if you know that, like
• 1:06:18
  you're super tensing, you're worried about people, assaulting
• 1:06:21
  you, you also know that like the, the correct response, if
• 1:06:25
  someone is threatening you is not to kill them first.
• 1:06:30
  Now, I think some of this was entirely in her head but um,
• 1:06:34
  we'll talk about that a little more later.
• 1:06:35
  Now, here's a funny thing that happens during the same time,
• 1:06:38
  another guy disappears. He absolutely fits the bill, his
• 1:06:43
  name is Corky read and when Eileen was questioned by, police
• 1:06:46
  about him. She said, and I quote Corky
• 1:06:49
  read, what the fuck? Are you talking about?
• 1:06:52
  The police, of course, didn't believe her and had they done
• 1:06:54
  their job. When he first disappeared they
• 1:06:56
  would have known. Where Corky actually was, like I
• 1:07:00
  said to be fair, he fit the profile.
• 1:07:01
  He was 51. He had been injured in a work
• 1:07:03
  accident. So he was on the frail side.
• 1:07:05
  He lived alone didn't have lots of family outside of his sister
• 1:07:08
  and her husband, dini, and Jim Stewart.
• 1:07:10
  He went missing on his payday after he cashed his check on
• 1:07:14
  September 6 1990. He told his sister, he was going
• 1:07:17
  to go spend the weekend with his friend, Ray Cocoa Beach then had
• 1:07:21
  to Orlando, because he had a doctor's appointment, and then
• 1:07:23
  finally stopped at his mom's house on Sunday.
• 1:07:26
  He never showed up at his mom's house.
• 1:07:27
  And so, Mom called the daughter and was just like, what's up
• 1:07:34
  Monday? September 6.
• 1:07:35
  He didn't show up for work and so the sister dini drove to his
• 1:07:39
  house and saw the, his clothes were there and his work badge,
• 1:07:42
  but not his car. So they called the Titusville
• 1:07:44
  police and the police were like, you got to wait 72 hours for an
• 1:07:48
  adult missing persons case his sister was like no thank you.
• 1:07:52
  And she printed 2000 flyers and handed them out Lucia and
• 1:07:58
  Brevard County. She also 500 people to Canvas
• 1:08:01
  the city's goodness. So then the police find his car,
• 1:08:05
  on Tuesday, September 11th, and a parking lot near I-95.
• 1:08:10
  They didn't actually like, show up to test the car or anything,
• 1:08:15
  like literally the police saw it because the security guard
• 1:08:18
  called him was like, Hey, this cars been here for like a week
• 1:08:21
  and so the police were like oh that's the missing guys car.
• 1:08:25
  So they called the sister we're like hey your brother's car is
• 1:08:27
  in this parking lot. You should move it before.
• 1:08:29
  Or they tow it. They did not print the car.
• 1:08:33
  They did not, they did nothing literally dini, drove it home
• 1:08:38
  but the cars weight know what he's missing.
• 1:08:42
  He printed car print icon, as I said they did not do their job
• 1:08:47
  at all. In regards to this case, there
• 1:08:50
  was an open Trojan condom pack and empty pack of Marlboros and
• 1:08:53
  Camel, cigarettes, and well, the interesting thing for dini, was
• 1:08:57
  that the car had been run down, Like somebody was riding it.
• 1:09:01
  Like they were stolen it had no, like no gas in it, and no oil.
• 1:09:06
  And so that was weird because her brother was a car guy and so
• 1:09:10
  they were like, he normally takes care of his car.
• 1:09:12
  Why would he leave it? There crapped out his tool box
• 1:09:16
  was missing, the seat had been pulled forward and the defining
• 1:09:19
  marks. On the car had been scratched
• 1:09:21
  off this time. Actually.
• 1:09:23
  I've been number nothing like that.
• 1:09:25
  Sure seemed like Eileen's. Do it his sister dini.
• 1:09:29
  Actually. Never stop searching for him.
• 1:09:31
  And even after being arrested, and they showed his photo to
• 1:09:35
  both Eileen and tie both women were like, we don't know who he
• 1:09:38
  is, and here's the thing. Eileen Eileen space was national
• 1:09:47
  news. There is no way.
• 1:09:50
  Corky did not see that he was his picture of him was listed as
• 1:09:54
  one of the victims for the most prolific, female serial killer
• 1:10:00
  in modern time in America. He ignored it because they found
• 1:10:04
  him. August 6 1992.
• 1:10:08
  In a traffic court in Las Vegas, Nevada.
• 1:10:10
  What He ran away from home. Wait, how we he's held
• 1:10:18
  50-something. Yes yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Will you be here? And he just ran away from his
• 1:10:24
  life in Florida. Honestly, it was a fluke.
• 1:10:26
  They even found him. He had gotten a ticket in July
• 1:10:29
  for having him valid driver's license.
• 1:10:31
  And when they ran his name, through the National Crime
• 1:10:33
  information database, his name returned under missing, and, or
• 1:10:38
  endangered. So the police reached out and
• 1:10:41
  we're just like Like you're on a missing-persons list as someone
• 1:10:44
  who might be in danger and quirky was like I'll want to be,
• 1:10:48
  don't tell my family where I am, I don't like y'all.
• 1:10:51
  It's like he's his family had no idea why he left he never
• 1:10:55
  communicated that he was, okay? Like I said he was being listed
• 1:10:59
  publicly as one of Eileen words his victims so he's like oh good
• 1:11:03
  they'll think I'm dead now. So I don't have probably all
• 1:11:08
  police were able to pull from them is that there had been some
• 1:11:10
  kind of a bad business Deal with his brother-in-law and he felt
• 1:11:14
  like he'd been done dirty. What's extra wide about this?
• 1:11:18
  Is that Corky was a Ruth engine, like a roofing engineer, and he
• 1:11:22
  worked for the Kennedy Space Center when they found him, he
• 1:11:25
  was working in a casino. I have.
• 1:11:27
  No, I just have, no, I can't fathom being so mad at my
• 1:11:31
  family. I leave a really good high
• 1:11:34
  paying job to hide from them. No, it's you go work at it.
• 1:11:39
  I mean, no knocking. A little bit more perplexing, a
• 1:11:45
  mystery was that Eileen did find his car?
• 1:11:49
  She found it, where he abandoned it and she did steal everything
• 1:11:53
  from it and ride it. Like it was stolen, oh my God,
• 1:11:56
  dumped it when she was done with it.
• 1:11:58
  Okay. So she so it's okay.
• 1:12:02
  So part of it is. Okay.
• 1:12:03
  She did like still the car. Yes.
• 1:12:05
  But she had no idea who did it belong to.
• 1:12:13
  They, they know this because Ty had quirky suitcase and some of
• 1:12:17
  his clothes, okay, tie. Well, I was trying to give you
• 1:12:20
  the benefit of the doubt, like, if you like honestly what the
• 1:12:25
  but when the, when used mention that to women fresher car, it's
• 1:12:30
  like a gated thing and then I was like, God, dammit, I know,
• 1:12:35
  right. And it's wild that she gets away
• 1:12:37
  with the scot-free, but we're gonna get there.
• 1:12:38
  We're gonna get there. So, either way, after she was
• 1:12:42
  doing Joyce, Fighting and stealing it, she meets a new
• 1:12:46
  real Mark. 56 year-old Charles Humphrey on September 11th.
• 1:12:49
  1990. Charles was from Crystal.
• 1:12:52
  River was a town about seven miles north of Um, assassin
• 1:12:57
  along u.s. 90 no know why. I can't say the name of the
• 1:12:59
  city. Um the sethe some of the best
• 1:13:06
  fun names. Some of them are like Crystal
• 1:13:08
  Lake Clearwater, Cocoa Beach, and it's of them sound real
• 1:13:13
  country like hummus. Ask love it.
• 1:13:17
  Either way, Charles went to work that day at his job and some
• 1:13:20
  turville he works for the Florida Department of Health and
• 1:13:22
  Rehabilitation. He was also a former police
• 1:13:25
  chief And Sumter was in the right in the middle of Eileen's
• 1:13:29
  Kill Zone. She picked a bad person for this
• 1:13:33
  because virtually up until this point, they didn't really care
• 1:13:36
  that much until she killed one of their own.
• 1:13:41
  Not only was the child works for the Department of Health and
• 1:13:44
  Rehab. He was a special investigator
• 1:13:46
  who looked into abused and Andrew children.
• 1:13:49
  He had three kids himself and he was very good at talking to
• 1:13:51
  abuse kids. He was also meticulously on
• 1:13:58
  time. So when Charles didn't return
• 1:14:01
  home at 550, PM. She was like maybe his car
• 1:14:07
  trouble at 6:30. She was like, maybe stop for a
• 1:14:11
  beer. Between seven and eight was when
• 1:14:16
  she panicked. And finally, she called the
• 1:14:18
  police and Highway Patrol did a cursory search even though they
• 1:14:21
  could not file a missing persons report yet.
• 1:14:24
  He his remains were found the following day.
• 1:14:29
  Very close to where David Spears and Charles casket, ins car were
• 1:14:33
  found. He had been shot seven times.
• 1:14:35
  They recovered Six Bullets from his mermaids and his wallet and
• 1:14:38
  money were missing his blue Forenza was found on the 13th.
• 1:14:48
  At an abandoned gas station in the city of Live Oak near Swaney
• 1:14:52
  County for people who don't know.
• 1:14:55
  This is like 70 miles north of where his body was dumped.
• 1:15:00
  And it's so far north that we are like a couple of miles away
• 1:15:03
  from Georgia. Oh wow.
• 1:15:07
  Like she drove as far as she could to get her.
• 1:15:09
  I don't even know if she thought.
• 1:15:09
  She maybe she was in Georgia to keep it in a separate State.
• 1:15:12
  Who knows the plates keys, and the highway patrol bumper
• 1:15:16
  sticker. Were removed.
• 1:15:18
  Anything that could connect the Carter, Charles was gone.
• 1:15:21
  There was a can of Budweiser left under the passenger seat
• 1:15:24
  and had the police dusted for prints.
• 1:15:27
  They might have known that Eileen was his passenger.
• 1:15:33
  Now, the police did find a receipt for beer and Wyatt a
• 1:15:35
  Speedway truck. Stop and wildwood the same store
• 1:15:38
  where Peter symes receipt was from this one had a timestamp of
• 1:15:42
  4:19 p.m. on September 11th. The cashier didn't remember, For
• 1:15:46
  Charles because he stayed in the car but she remembered Eileen
• 1:15:50
  and tie. The cashier thought that they
• 1:15:53
  were prostitutes and in Florida prostitutes are banned from
• 1:15:55
  truck stops but so you're actually supposed to call the
• 1:16:00
  police. If you see people work in the
• 1:16:02
  truck stop but the cashier was just like they were in and out.
• 1:16:05
  They actually were only here for food and drinks so I didn't call
• 1:16:09
  them. Hey, Eileen slaughtered Charles
• 1:16:16
  and so she could not sell most of his items because they were
• 1:16:19
  covered in blood, of course. So she threw them into a field
• 1:16:24
  in boggy Marsh Road and those items were his pipe, his pens
• 1:16:28
  and pencils his wedding ring. His watch Eileen would later
• 1:16:32
  tell the police that she shot him.
• 1:16:34
  The first few times in his body and one went through his wrist,
• 1:16:37
  she heard him gurgling felt bad for him, so she's Shot him in
• 1:16:41
  the head to put him out of his misery.
• 1:16:45
  Ty's sign affidavits said that Eileen came back to the house to
• 1:16:50
  the hotel. With a small four door, blue car
• 1:16:53
  and late August September, and she wasn't there.
• 1:16:56
  But you know, the cashier saw them both with Charles the
• 1:17:00
  right. So she wasn't there, though,
• 1:17:04
  there were other inconsistencies and ties story.
• 1:17:07
  She told the police, she never drank, but at different
• 1:17:10
  locations where I lean in Thai stayed, lots of people testified
• 1:17:13
  that the both of them were below. you're at drunks and they
• 1:17:16
  were thrown out of plenty of motels for making too much
• 1:17:18
  noise, drinking loud music, In fact, one of the landlord's
• 1:17:24
  realized that Eileen was hooking when she asked in the driver to
• 1:17:27
  I-95 and then said she'd walk the rest of the way to her job.
• 1:17:32
  He was not fond of what Eileen's real job was but she was paying
• 1:17:37
  her rent. So he let it go when she got
• 1:17:41
  behind on rent one time. He reminded her and she said you
• 1:17:45
  are lucky. You are, you still have a life?
• 1:17:53
  They were not too happy about that threat.
• 1:17:57
  No, I wouldn't be eventually that couple saw her face in the
• 1:18:00
  papers, and they absolutely called the police, but that
• 1:18:02
  wasn't until November now. It's late night, September 1990.
• 1:18:06
  There are like counties are kind of work in the cases.
• 1:18:09
  They're definitely focusing on Charles Humphries Marion and
• 1:18:13
  Citrus County, got together. And they compare notes about the
• 1:18:16
  barrestin spears murder. So they connected with Detective
• 1:18:19
  tan, much and Pasco County. Because he was the one who had
• 1:18:23
  put out the bulletin looking for the two women, driving Peter
• 1:18:25
  symes car. The group were very solid.
• 1:18:29
  They're like, these are all identical.
• 1:18:31
  And so, are all the victims that we found in every victim?
• 1:18:35
  This definitely seems like a serial killer.
• 1:18:38
  The police pulled in as many witnesses as they could and
• 1:18:41
  everybody's like, yeah, that's the one Eileen.
• 1:18:44
  She's the one we saw police, do they were looking for a short
• 1:18:47
  blonde woman. Sometimes in the cop company of
• 1:18:49
  a another blond woman. Short hair and was more stocky
• 1:18:55
  so they make a task force with Captain Steve bigger of Marion
• 1:18:58
  County as the head, Steve was pretty solid that these women
• 1:19:01
  weren't actually hitchhiking as they had originally thought but
• 1:19:05
  that they were working the highway that changed how they
• 1:19:08
  viewed. The case hitchhiking wasn't
• 1:19:10
  really common in late 80s and early 90s like in the 70s so
• 1:19:15
  they realized that the only men stopping to pick up.
• 1:19:17
  Somebody was somebody looking for a good time, right?
• 1:19:21
  Now, usually they try not to involve the Press, but Steve
• 1:19:25
  brought the Press into this. And he was just like, this is
• 1:19:29
  this lady's picture and she killed a cop.
• 1:19:33
  That's all you need to know. Go find her.
• 1:19:36
  Well, so a truck driver named Bobby Lee Bobby Lee copis
• 1:19:41
  actually meets island in the beginning of November 1990, she
• 1:19:45
  told him she need to go to Orlando and she said her kids
• 1:19:48
  were in Daytona Beach at daycare and she was going to meet her
• 1:19:51
  sister in Orlando and they would drive over.
• 1:19:54
  Makes no sense. No, not at all.
• 1:19:55
  Because damn, that's a drive. These are multiple.
• 1:19:59
  While drives, why are you so far away from your babies man?
• 1:20:02
  Writing, only re kids and Daytona, which is like at the
• 1:20:05
  top of Florida, and you going to go check on her later.
• 1:20:08
  It's like in the South. It was wild.
• 1:20:11
  Oh my God. No, okay, so Bobby Lee, and the
• 1:20:16
  up having to stop by his bank, he took out money for to pay the
• 1:20:19
  insurance on his rig, which was four thousand dollars.
• 1:20:23
  She saw him, put it in the sun, visor don't show nobody with
• 1:20:28
  your hold it. She know how much it was, but
• 1:20:31
  she did see him, put a money envelope up in the visor, hmm.
• 1:20:35
  Now, she propositioned him and she's like, listen, for $100.
• 1:20:38
  I'll give you the best, blow job of your life, Bobby's like, no,
• 1:20:42
  thank you. And so then she tries again and
• 1:20:44
  he's like, no, I have a wife, I'm good, thank you very much,
• 1:20:47
  right? Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  And after the third time, she got pissed.
• 1:20:51
  And he could tell she was angry and she was agitated.
• 1:20:54
  And then she opened her purse to pull out a comb.
• 1:20:57
  And he saw the gun so he stops at the next truck stop and he's
• 1:21:02
  like, listen, here's five dollars.
• 1:21:04
  Tell your sister. I'm going to drive you all the
• 1:21:06
  way to Daytona. Hmm.
• 1:21:09
  As soon as she closes the cab, he locked the door and he said
• 1:21:13
  she looked mad as hell, and she starts screaming at him as he
• 1:21:16
  drove away Compass. I'll get you, you son of a
• 1:21:19
  bitch. I'll kill You like I did the
• 1:21:21
  other sons of bitches. Oh, no, no.
• 1:21:25
  See it does. No, you don't do.
• 1:21:27
  That was, was driving away. She's screaming at his truck,
• 1:21:31
  and you have no car. The police believe that the
• 1:21:35
  final man that she killed. She met after Bobby copass, So,
• 1:21:41
  she probably met him after wherever he dropped her off at?
• 1:21:44
  Yep, his name was Walter. Gino Antonio and she took out
• 1:21:48
  her rage on him. He was 62 years old, a truck
• 1:21:52
  driver security guard and a reserve police officer from
• 1:21:55
  Cocoa Beach. He was actually set out on
• 1:21:59
  November 17th at Saturday. He was heading to Alabama and
• 1:22:03
  hopes that he'd be able to pick up another job up there.
• 1:22:06
  He was recently engaged and he was wearing a silver and gold
• 1:22:09
  diamond ring. The same ring that Eileen would
• 1:22:12
  give to tie later, but we'll get there.
• 1:22:16
  Walter pretty much drove the same route as Peter symes taking
• 1:22:20
  the Florida, Turnpike to Wildwood and more than likely
• 1:22:23
  stopping at that Speedway truck. Stop before making his final
• 1:22:27
  push, North the split. They believe that's where he met
• 1:22:29
  Eileen angry ready to take it out on somebody the following
• 1:22:35
  day, a police officer who was out, hunting found a naked man,
• 1:22:39
  15 miles, south of Wildwood who had been shot four times three
• 1:22:43
  in the Torso. And one in the head, all 22
• 1:22:46
  caliber Bullets Eileen would tell the police, she
• 1:22:49
  propositioned Walter and he pulled out his police badge.
• 1:22:53
  And told her he'd arrest her, if she didn't have sex with him for
• 1:22:55
  free, she said she pulled out her gun.
• 1:22:58
  They struggled over it. He fell on the ground and then
• 1:23:02
  began running and she shot him in the back.
• 1:23:04
  Then he insulted her and she shot him again.
• 1:23:09
  He wasn't in his rig, he was in a regular car but Eileen took
• 1:23:12
  that car back to the Fairview motel and she asked the manager,
• 1:23:15
  if she could park her boyfriend's car behind the
• 1:23:17
  motel, she said her boyfriend was married and she didn't want
• 1:23:20
  the wife to drive by and see it. They were like.
• 1:23:23
  All right. Okay, so, haughty ack.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah. I just, I just wanted to add one
• 1:23:32
  little thing and that's to say, why?
• 1:23:35
  Why shoot somebody. If they're running away from
• 1:23:37
  your leaving, the area, just let him run.
• 1:23:40
  So what knew she was? Okay.
• 1:23:45
  Yeah. I get like trial Dominique.
• 1:23:47
  Let people just walk away. Not not her.
• 1:23:50
  She was like, hmm, buddy. I see, I get it but like if
• 1:23:54
  someone was if her story was true and he like like it was
• 1:23:58
  trying to like you know get stuff for free or like attacking
• 1:24:01
  her stuff like that. And then she pulled out the gun
• 1:24:04
  and he starts running away, let his ass run away.
• 1:24:06
  You don't have to kill him, or I don't know, maybe it's just me
• 1:24:09
  being wants to tell people. Well, look, it's a, he say, she
• 1:24:16
  say story, then, and right, and they are gonna believe the cop
• 1:24:20
  come on. Okay, we got me there.
• 1:24:28
  Yeah, like I said, that maroon Pontiac stayed there for a
• 1:24:34
  couple days behind the Fairview and then it disappeared.
• 1:24:38
  It was found on member 24th. A week later in Brevard County,
• 1:24:41
  the plates are missing. The keys were missing as well as
• 1:24:45
  all identifying information. And this time, all of the
• 1:24:48
  Budweiser cans had been cleaned off.
• 1:24:53
  They weren't Dustin form. So why do you have to clean them
• 1:24:55
  all? Thanks to you while they were
• 1:24:57
  destined for these ones. Oh so she decided you know, My
• 1:25:04
  break up after yourself. I know this is what we're not
• 1:25:07
  even listen, one thing was interesting, was that?
• 1:25:10
  Because of his time as a trucker Mark Walter was like, very used
• 1:25:13
  to logging all of his stops. He was very meticulous and so
• 1:25:18
  they were able to see how far he liked on the his run his little
• 1:25:23
  paper, how far he had driven and they discovered that in the week
• 1:25:27
  between his murder and then finding the car, someone had
• 1:25:31
  driven a thousand miles. That weren't recorded on his
• 1:25:35
  log. Yep.
• 1:25:38
  Walter's fiancé gave the police, a list of all the items he had
• 1:25:41
  with him, most were his preserve police items.
• 1:25:44
  All were missing his idea and clothing were later, found in
• 1:25:48
  Taylor County, Eileen sold as much stuff as she could.
• 1:25:52
  When Thanksgiving hit tie was just like, I need some space.
• 1:25:57
  I'm going back to Ohio. Now, the police are still
• 1:26:03
  getting all these calls about Eileen and tie and the many
• 1:26:06
  places they lived and they're building a timeline of the
• 1:26:09
  women's movements there. Many, landlords told the police
• 1:26:12
  that the short blonde woman was the leader of the two and they
• 1:26:15
  thought she was a truckstop Pro now.
• 1:26:18
  Eventually, Eileen, convinces, tie to come back after
• 1:26:22
  Thanksgiving and in the airport proposes to her with Walter
• 1:26:26
  Gino's, engagement ring, Then tie and Eileen.
• 1:26:31
  Go back to the Fairview. She learns her being evicted
• 1:26:34
  Eileen begs her to stay Eileen. Even throws her gun into the
• 1:26:38
  rose Bay to prove. She's done.
• 1:26:40
  I'm done with all this. December 3rd of friend, gives
• 1:26:46
  Eileen, and tie a ride and Eileen's, like, I'm going back.
• 1:26:50
  North drop me off at a greyhound, so I give her back
• 1:26:54
  the ring, Eileen drops off. Most of her items from the
• 1:26:57
  Fairview at a storage unit. Only keeping things in a tan
• 1:27:00
  suitcase, the friend who drove them around.
• 1:27:04
  She had sex with him, I guess. What is his way to say?
• 1:27:07
  Thank you, somehow Eileen, manages to convince the The
• 1:27:12
  Fairview, who, by the way, she is threatened now in the past,
• 1:27:17
  to let her rent a different room and she's like, it'll be
• 1:27:20
  different. I'm alone.
• 1:27:21
  My girlfriend's not here, there won't be any fighting or
• 1:27:23
  anything. Crazy you December 7th, using
• 1:27:26
  the fake name and Kami, Marsh Eileen pawns, Walters engagement
• 1:27:30
  ring for a measly 20 dollars. And she's kind of spends the
• 1:27:37
  next couple days being sad. She and leaves the room for
• 1:27:42
  quite some time and I'm sure everybody was grateful.
• 1:27:44
  Hmm. Now the task force gets a break
• 1:27:48
  from local police in Port Orange who had figured out the
• 1:27:51
  movements. I've Eileen in Thai from
• 1:27:53
  roughly, September to December the to its data.
• 1:27:56
  At a Fair View in Harbor, Oaks under the name, Kami Marsh
• 1:27:59
  green, then a small apartment behind the Belgrade restaurant
• 1:28:02
  near the Fairview, then back to the Fairview Eileen stayed there
• 1:28:06
  until December 10th. She'd use multiple IDs and
• 1:28:09
  Ladies working connected to different arrest in, loads of
• 1:28:13
  different cities. So first, the police look up
• 1:28:15
  time, more and realizes she is not a hardened criminal.
• 1:28:18
  She had like one thing in her past they look up Susan block
• 1:28:24
  Avec one of her IDs discover up trespassing arrest and that the
• 1:28:29
  photo doesn't match. Then I look up Cammy green and
• 1:28:33
  the photo of Eileen doesn't match the photo on Susan.
• 1:28:36
  Why have xid the real break in? The case comes though, when they
• 1:28:42
  learn that Kami Green Pond camera and a radar detector from
• 1:28:46
  Richard Mallory, she at one pawn shop, then a set of tools from
• 1:28:50
  David's peers, that a different one in Ormond Beach and back
• 1:28:54
  then. I don't know now because I've
• 1:28:56
  never pawned anything in our Modern Age, but back then it was
• 1:29:00
  common to fingerprint people when you Pawn things.
• 1:29:05
  Items have been sold but the fingerprint was invaluable
• 1:29:08
  right? Because like now they have your
• 1:29:10
  Social Security number so they can just hit your credit if you
• 1:29:13
  don't pay for the item that was there, right?
• 1:29:16
  Yeah. I've soon I've sold like one or
• 1:29:19
  two things at a pawn shop and I guess if you're if you're like
• 1:29:22
  renting from come back for it, right?
• 1:29:26
  Pay them for the money. They like loans, you okay for
• 1:29:30
  your item. Yeah.
• 1:29:31
  So this was if they didn't get their money back, they had your
• 1:29:34
  prints. So, absolutely invaluable to the
• 1:29:38
  investigation. Even if it was just a
• 1:29:40
  thumbprint, now, Florida had was called the automated fingerprint
• 1:29:43
  identification system. At this time.
• 1:29:45
  It didn't earn any results. Probably because they didn't
• 1:29:47
  have enough of the target markers with only one finger.
• 1:29:50
  So the fingerprint analyst Jenny Ahern decided to do this by
• 1:29:53
  hand. And she was like, I'm gonna go
• 1:29:56
  to all of the cities where all of these crimes took place under
• 1:30:01
  these different names, and compare them.
• 1:30:05
  She stopped at the first town and within an hour, had a match
• 1:30:09
  for an outstanding warrant for a woman named Lori.
• 1:30:12
  Grody Lori grote's, fingerprints for that case, matched the
• 1:30:19
  fingerprints, and Peter symes car.
• 1:30:23
  They send all this information to the National Crime
• 1:30:25
  Information Center and they get responses from Michigan,
• 1:30:28
  Colorado, and Florida confirming that Susan.
• 1:30:30
  Black Avec can be green, Lori Grody and Aileen, wuornos are
• 1:30:34
  all the same person. At this point, eyes back in Ohio
• 1:30:39
  and she is worried. She's trying to stay low, she's
• 1:30:44
  not going out. She's like, oh no, we're gonna
• 1:30:46
  get in trouble for this now, Lee goes out, drinking on, December
• 1:30:49
  19th. She ends up Sharon or trouble.
• 1:30:51
  So the next Marine named Dixie Mills at Wet.
• 1:30:53
  Willie's bar, on US1. Both were drinking to cure their
• 1:30:57
  heartache, and they talked about how, you know, Ty, left Eileen
• 1:31:02
  and Dixie's, wife left him and Dixie would say that they talked
• 1:31:07
  about art and parapsychology and ancient history, and he just
• 1:31:11
  didn't he'd never met someone who knew so many things.
• 1:31:14
  He also said that Lee was a Savage party animal with an
• 1:31:18
  insatiable desire for sex and alcohol, they spent the next
• 1:31:21
  five days together and after a week of hard, partying Dixie
• 1:31:25
  left her to go back home to his wife, his parting gift was 50
• 1:31:28
  bucks. Oh, Later on like a year later,
• 1:31:34
  he would tell the Globe newspaper, a different story
• 1:31:37
  saying that Eileen had tried to extort him for five hundred
• 1:31:40
  dollars a month and she had fantasies and Kinks that scared
• 1:31:43
  him like she told him, she wanted to be raped in the woods
• 1:31:46
  and then shot in the head. He also said he took her to to
• 1:31:49
  family events and she got drunk and insulted, his family.
• 1:31:52
  And I honestly don't believe his side of the story.
• 1:31:55
  This is how, I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:31:57
  Eileen was very candid. When they brought Dixie up and
• 1:32:01
  she was Like yeah, he paid me for sex.
• 1:32:04
  That's how you go. She's like, we had a couple laps
• 1:32:07
  but like, I never met his kids or his family and, like direct
• 1:32:11
  quote from Eileen. She's like, what man is going to
• 1:32:13
  introduce a hooker like me to his daughter when he's trying to
• 1:32:16
  get back with his wife. It's all bull.
• 1:32:19
  I mean, she has a point. Absolutely.
• 1:32:23
  So the task force decides to set up a surveillance on all the
• 1:32:26
  local bars in Daytona. It took a couple of nights but
• 1:32:28
  they find I lean on January 8th. 81 from this point forward
• 1:32:33
  there. Keep their eyes on her.
• 1:32:35
  They watch her into the night, and they see her at the bars
• 1:32:40
  described in the report as mood swings from friendly and
• 1:32:43
  congenial to aggressive. And abusive, and that was just
• 1:32:47
  her normal day-to-day interactions with people.
• 1:32:50
  They wanted to watch her for longer, but they discovered that
• 1:32:53
  the following night at the bar that she liked to hang out at
• 1:32:56
  there was going to be a major like truck like a biker party.
• 1:33:02
  Like all these bikers from like all over Florida, like, hundreds
• 1:33:05
  of bikers, were gonna show up and so they're like, there's no
• 1:33:08
  way we're going to be able to find her through that.
• 1:33:12
  Because she could just put on a helmet and disappear, right,
• 1:33:16
  right. She could also kill someone to
• 1:33:18
  that night. So they were like, oh, we got to
• 1:33:20
  do something. So while they're thinking about
• 1:33:22
  this, as they're learning about this, it's still the 8th to Port
• 1:33:27
  Orange Authority plainclothes, Cops show up.
• 1:33:32
  At the bar, it's called was called The Last Resort.
• 1:33:36
  And they're like, hey we want to talk to you.
• 1:33:40
  And the task force is like, oh my God, what are you doing
• 1:33:44
  there? Making frantic calls to the
• 1:33:46
  superiors at Port Orange PD. They're like Stand Down.
• 1:33:50
  Mind you, there are six different counties on this
• 1:33:52
  operation. They do not want Eileen to know
• 1:33:54
  that they are planning to arrest her because she could hop in a
• 1:33:58
  car with anyone and be gone, right?
• 1:34:00
  Yeah. So when one of the, the cops
• 1:34:03
  goes back to the car to run her ID, you know, normal cop stuff.
• 1:34:07
  He gets a call from Bob Kelly of Volusia County.
• 1:34:09
  That's like, do not arrest Eileen under any circumstance.
• 1:34:13
  Like what are y'all doing? You go freaking out, they
• 1:34:16
  weren't in on it. They weren't in on it because
• 1:34:18
  the murders hadn't happened in her neighborhood.
• 1:34:21
  Okay? Okay.
• 1:34:22
  Well, it's always followed order.
• 1:34:26
  They follow orders and they did not arrest you.
• 1:34:28
  They let her go back into the barn.
• 1:34:30
  Like I said, they ended. Moving forward like taking her
• 1:34:33
  and because what was happening the following night.
• 1:34:35
  So what they did was the night of the 8th, she slept outside on
• 1:34:40
  this, like yellow car like seat from a car.
• 1:34:43
  She even have a place to stay the undercover cops like
• 1:34:47
  eventually like they talked to her during the following day on
• 1:34:50
  the 9th and They were like, oh yeah, it was gonna be that big
• 1:34:55
  party tonight. Cool.
• 1:34:57
  You know, well we have a hotel room at the Fairview.
• 1:34:59
  If you want to clean up before the Biker Party arrives and at
• 1:35:03
  first she wasn't really open to it.
• 1:35:05
  And then she was just like, okay?
• 1:35:06
  And as soon as she stepped up her the bar, they arrested her
• 1:35:09
  for identity, theft and fraud and unlawful possession of a
• 1:35:12
  firearm. They didn't want to let her know
• 1:35:16
  that they wanted her for murder because they still wanted the
• 1:35:19
  murder weapon and they also wanted to get Ty.
• 1:35:22
  With Eileen in jail, they were also able to take that key from
• 1:35:26
  her, that the storage key that had all her stuff in it, right?
• 1:35:30
  Right. For the things that were missing
• 1:35:31
  from the men. Now that same day that Eileen's
• 1:35:34
  arrested the police, go after Ty, they like they actually have
• 1:35:39
  the Ohio, the police. Well, actually she left Ohio,
• 1:35:42
  she was in Scranton, so they had Scranton, police, just hold her.
• 1:35:47
  Now, once she's done at the police station and cleared of
• 1:35:50
  any local wrongdoing, they book a hotel room for her and they
• 1:35:53
  call Jerry Thompson, from Citrus County and Bruce monster from
• 1:35:56
  Marion County who fly up to Scranton with the items from the
• 1:36:01
  storage locker. Specifically items from Charles
• 1:36:04
  Humphreys and Corky read, they read tie her rights.
• 1:36:07
  They're like you're not being charged with anything but you're
• 1:36:09
  also not being given immunity and liked.
• 1:36:12
  I just talked and she was like--, I'll testify against
• 1:36:15
  Eileen Originally, she was like, I kind of knew about Richard
• 1:36:19
  Mallory because of the Cadillac and then she was like, no, well,
• 1:36:22
  technically Eileen confessed to me and I told her to stop
• 1:36:25
  talking about it. They take tie back to Florida
• 1:36:30
  and the police are like, listen, we need you to reach out to
• 1:36:33
  Eileen. Say, you want to get your stuff
• 1:36:36
  from the storage locker, say that the police are bothering
• 1:36:40
  you in Ohio about these murders because your pictures next to
• 1:36:45
  hers, you know, the Sketch. Now, went, I first called her at
• 1:36:51
  the police? I got the jail.
• 1:36:53
  I only knew that the, the phones were always recorded.
• 1:36:56
  So she's like, using Code words and she will not come out and
• 1:36:59
  say what the police need to know.
• 1:37:01
  This goes on for three days and finally Eileen has like listen
• 1:37:05
  just go ahead and let them know what you need to know, what they
• 1:37:09
  want to know or anything. Like I'll cover for you because
• 1:37:13
  you're innocent. I'm not going to let you go to
• 1:37:14
  jail. If I have to confess, I There
• 1:37:18
  were 11 calls and all and to be honest they are absolutely sad.
• 1:37:23
  I think that I was speaking, honestly, when she told Eileen
• 1:37:26
  that she was scared, she didn't want to go to jail and I think
• 1:37:29
  that Eileen was being honest when she said over and over like
• 1:37:32
  I'm not gonna let you go down for this, right?
• 1:37:34
  Yeah. I mean okay yeah almost
• 1:37:38
  immediately ileane speaks to a CEO in her prison corrections
• 1:37:43
  officer and She just starts kind of offloading on the police
• 1:37:49
  officer and she's just like, I'm one of the people from the news
• 1:37:54
  that they've been looking for and she's like, I love my
• 1:37:57
  girlfriend and she has nothing to do with this.
• 1:38:00
  She's like I'm the one who killed six man.
• 1:38:02
  And on January 16th 1991, Lawrence her zepa and Bruce
• 1:38:07
  monster, showed up to talk to Eileen, she was given to public
• 1:38:11
  defenders. She immediately kind of wave.
• 1:38:15
  Rights and during that confession during a conversation
• 1:38:18
  she confessed to the murders of David Spears, Richard Mallory
• 1:38:21
  Charles carsten Peter, symes Troy Burris Walter G, no Anthony
• 1:38:25
  and Charles Humphries, she wanted them to know she did on
• 1:38:29
  her own, Ty had nothing to do with it.
• 1:38:31
  She told him that most of the time she was always drunk and
• 1:38:33
  she was hooking and things got rough.
• 1:38:35
  And she got scared and she killed somebody interspersed
• 1:38:39
  with this testimony though. Are these moments where she just
• 1:38:44
  Rambles about? How much she loves Thai and how
• 1:38:46
  Thai is a good pure person. Honestly, these transcripts were
• 1:38:51
  hard to read through, because I know, regardless of her mental
• 1:38:56
  state, she was legally sane enough to stand trial, but it's
• 1:38:58
  not like Bundy who could tell you the places and names and who
• 1:39:02
  he killed and where they were hidden, right?
• 1:39:04
  Or, you know, re River Killer, like Eileen.
• 1:39:09
  Didn't know who any of these men were?
• 1:39:13
  It was just a stream of consciousness.
• 1:39:16
  There was no thrills in, get a thrill from these deaths.
• 1:39:19
  She did not covet their remains. She was moving from one moment
• 1:39:22
  to another just making enough money to survive and then moving
• 1:39:25
  again, right? Because like I think of it as
• 1:39:30
  like the man, they do to stalking, they any research on
• 1:39:35
  these people before they even kill them.
• 1:39:37
  And then she just was just like, yeah, in the moment.
• 1:39:42
  And I do wanna pause and like, so, we all know.
• 1:39:45
  Well, not a know, some people probably listening know that
• 1:39:47
  there are different kinds of serial killers.
• 1:39:49
  We have talked about Comfort killers in the past, any daus,
• 1:39:53
  Belle gunness. But I leaned us count as a
• 1:39:56
  comfort killer. And the main reason is that they
• 1:40:01
  kill for financial Comfort, right?
• 1:40:04
  That's the standard. Now, Comfort Killers can be
• 1:40:07
  organized or disorganized, like nannie.
• 1:40:09
  Doss made plants. And kill people slowly, with
• 1:40:12
  poison, over a long period of time, Eileen was very
• 1:40:15
  disorganized in her approach. Most women serial killers are
• 1:40:19
  Comfort Killers, but they are not usually as violent as Eileen
• 1:40:22
  was. This makes for very unique in
• 1:40:26
  the ways for people who research killers and there are lots of
• 1:40:29
  elements to this case that do not fit the norm and that's kind
• 1:40:32
  of why we're talking about her. Because these things confused us
• 1:40:37
  about the case actually. Recently, I was speaking to a
• 1:40:40
  couple people on my life and we were discussing attachment
• 1:40:44
  disorder if people don't know, it's something that can happen
• 1:40:49
  in children. And it's children not forming
• 1:40:55
  the proper bonds with their caregivers and then they remain
• 1:41:00
  like this. Well, into adulthood.
• 1:41:02
  And it usually goes one of two ways.
• 1:41:04
  The child becomes almost aggressively social in order to
• 1:41:07
  gain adults approval and trust, or we have the extreme opposite
• 1:41:11
  which is called reactive attachment disorder where you
• 1:41:16
  have the child has a hard time, controlling their emotions and
• 1:41:19
  stresses sometimes they appear emotionless.
• 1:41:22
  And social interactions. They grow up resistant to
• 1:41:26
  affection. Struggle, to maintain
• 1:41:28
  relationships - self-worth anger problems.
• 1:41:31
  Impulsiveness, Detachment. Like I'm obviously not a
• 1:41:34
  psychologist but I've met children with this issue and
• 1:41:38
  there was a major case in the 90s with a little girl named
• 1:41:40
  Beth Thomas, who was actively trying to kill her adopted
• 1:41:44
  parents, and her younger brother who had reactive attachment
• 1:41:48
  disorder, like virtually she had no, She just was just like, I
• 1:41:53
  don't know who these people are. I don't care about that.
• 1:41:55
  And so I wonder if I'm like, dang, I wonder if she could have
• 1:41:58
  had something like that but we didn't even know what that was
• 1:42:01
  called back then, right? Yeah.
• 1:42:03
  When she was a little kid, And like, that's like, part of me
• 1:42:08
  feels like, even though I lean waived her rights and like I
• 1:42:11
  said, she's definitely not like insane, but like I feel like,
• 1:42:14
  like looking over like those transcripts of those.
• 1:42:18
  Like, for our confession, she was just so depressed and like,
• 1:42:24
  empty and it still feels an ethical even though they
• 1:42:28
  followed all of the legal guidelines, regardless, after
• 1:42:32
  those interviews on January 16th, I leaned his kind of
• 1:42:35
  settled On into living at the prison, she was over the news.
• 1:42:38
  So she was reading about herself.
• 1:42:40
  She was sure that she had saved ties.
• 1:42:42
  So she focused on the fact that she was kind of becoming a star
• 1:42:48
  Two days after that, though. See you said that?
• 1:42:51
  Like there was a little shift in her personality.
• 1:42:53
  This one CEO, Susan handsome was on duty and they were told to
• 1:42:56
  keep watch over Eileen because she was a mystery.
• 1:42:59
  And me, they didn't know that she was as they were calling,
• 1:43:02
  they were referred to Eileen as the They called her the hooker
• 1:43:09
  hitchhiker or like it was something ridiculous like that
• 1:43:13
  or Highway hitch, Highway hooker, that's they called her.
• 1:43:17
  And So, they didn't know that I like mean, was the highway
• 1:43:23
  hooker. So, when Susan walks by aliens
• 1:43:27
  door, like Eileen's, like, they're talking about me, and
• 1:43:30
  they're saying that, like, I'm a killer who robs and a robber who
• 1:43:32
  kills and she's like, no, that's not what happened.
• 1:43:35
  This was on self-defense and she starts to tell him the CEO.
• 1:43:37
  She'd been raped so many times in her life that she was just
• 1:43:40
  sick of it and that she didn't kill them, they were going to
• 1:43:42
  rape her. And this is something that
• 1:43:44
  Eileen repeats over and over. Again, during her case.
• 1:43:46
  And like I said, I honestly believe that she He believed
• 1:43:50
  this was true, it was not the reality.
• 1:43:53
  None of these men sexually assaulted her but she believed
• 1:43:57
  it, she believed it was going that well access, not true.
• 1:44:00
  I think Richard Mallory was one of the ones who could have
• 1:44:04
  because he had a history of sexual assault and getting weird
• 1:44:08
  and violent with like strippers and other local workers.
• 1:44:11
  So I think if there was anybody who did fit that mold, it was
• 1:44:15
  the first guy. Great might have actually tried
• 1:44:18
  something with her and he was The Catalyst to her snapping and
• 1:44:21
  started killing people. But either way Eileen was stuck
• 1:44:26
  in this weird place, where she like I said, she simultaneously
• 1:44:28
  like didn't seem to really like men, but she needed their money.
• 1:44:31
  And the only job she ever had was prostitution.
• 1:44:35
  So, like, having to rely on these people who have hurt you.
• 1:44:38
  Mmm. Yeah, it's it's tough.
• 1:44:40
  It's a and then, like Eileen would flip back and forth
• 1:44:44
  sometimes she would tell the seat like Hanson.
• 1:44:47
  You know, I see ten guys day and I didn't kill unless I had to,
• 1:44:51
  but then she also talked about like, how she had had sex with
• 1:44:54
  her. 250,000 people and the math behind that is that she would
• 1:44:58
  have had to seem like 50 people a day for like 10 years.
• 1:45:03
  Not possible and she sat like Hanson testified that Eileen had
• 1:45:09
  virtually no remorse. And that, like she laughed and
• 1:45:12
  she joked about murdering them. She never Hansen, says she never
• 1:45:16
  heard Eileen say, you know, I'm sorry I had to do this or I'm
• 1:45:20
  upset just, if I didn't kill him, he would have hurt people.
• 1:45:25
  So there is a press leak and they find out that Eileen is the
• 1:45:28
  highway hooker. She gets inundated with books
• 1:45:32
  movie deals before her trial. She signed off the legal rights
• 1:45:35
  to her story for a film Eileen thought that, when she beat her
• 1:45:39
  case, she would make millions from the book deals in the
• 1:45:41
  movie, because she was sure that like, this was self-defense, she
• 1:45:45
  didn't know that Florida actually has a law prohibiting
• 1:45:48
  criminals from profiting off of their crimes.
• 1:45:52
  So she was not allowed to make any money from anything that we
• 1:45:57
  have seen from her in terms of her autobiography her biography,
• 1:46:02
  the movie monster nothing to be fair, though, the movie came out
• 1:46:06
  a year after she died, so she was never gonna see that money,
• 1:46:09
  right? So she gets indicted January,
• 1:46:12
  28th 1991 for Richard Mallory. Then as February progresses,
• 1:46:16
  they add in three more. And then they decide to push for
• 1:46:19
  the death penalty with Richard Mallory before they have even
• 1:46:24
  finished the investigations into the other murder.
• 1:46:27
  That trial starts a year later, January, 14th 1990 to the
• 1:46:32
  evidence against Arlene is overwhelming and damning the
• 1:46:35
  medical center said that, Richard Mallory would have taken
• 1:46:39
  10 to 20 minutes to die. And it would have been agonizing
• 1:46:43
  oof. Ty's testimony was important
• 1:46:46
  because it contradicted virtually everything that Eileen
• 1:46:49
  said along with the CEO Hansen, who said that Eileen didn't show
• 1:46:54
  any remorse site, I said the same thing.
• 1:46:56
  They also pulled in 12 men who met Eileen on the highway and
• 1:47:01
  testified like about her demeanor.
• 1:47:06
  Florida also has this law called the Williams rule, which allows
• 1:47:09
  evidence that's not related to the crime to be submitted.
• 1:47:12
  If it can prove, there is a pattern of behavior or an
• 1:47:15
  escalation. So they added the other six
• 1:47:17
  murders to evidence to show that there was a pattern of behavior
• 1:47:21
  to show that she was not killing because of self-defense.
• 1:47:26
  That's um, that's, that's pretty good.
• 1:47:30
  I guess the police showed the video from the confession And
• 1:47:35
  like I said, when Eileen was talking about this, the only
• 1:47:38
  thing she was concerned about was tied in, do anything, tied
• 1:47:41
  into anything wrong. She's wonderful.
• 1:47:43
  She's perfect, she's special. But when she's talking about
• 1:47:46
  like killing the, man, she's just kind of Happily chatting
• 1:47:51
  and that didn't make her a sympathetic defendant her Tony's
• 1:47:55
  were like, they're going to call you.
• 1:47:58
  We're going to call you to talk, but when the other side cross
• 1:48:02
  examines you invoke the Fifth Amendment Eileen didn't do that
• 1:48:07
  for a while. She incriminated herself on the
• 1:48:10
  stand about 25 different times. My God and she was angry and she
• 1:48:15
  was frustrated. And that also didn't look really
• 1:48:19
  good for her. Finally, she did invoke the
• 1:48:21
  Fifth Amendment and they stopped, but the damage was
• 1:48:24
  done. Yes, you're right.
• 1:48:27
  She's the only defense witness. They had nobody really damn
• 1:48:33
  nobody. We went to deliberate on January
• 1:48:38
  27th, they came back in 91 minutes with their verdict
• 1:48:42
  guilty of premeditated first-degree murder, which is
• 1:48:44
  wild because I don't think this was premeditated.
• 1:48:46
  I thought it was. I seem pretty random than me.
• 1:48:49
  Yeah, exactly. That's what it sounds like.
• 1:48:51
  Yeah. As they filed out of the
• 1:48:53
  courtroom Eileen started screaming at them.
• 1:48:55
  I'm innocent. I was raped.
• 1:48:56
  I hope you get raped you scumbags.
• 1:49:00
  This is unfortunate because these were the same people who
• 1:49:02
  still had to sentence her, right?
• 1:49:04
  Yeah. The for the defense hearing they
• 1:49:08
  bring in a witness to testify to her mental illness.
• 1:49:11
  Loads of doctors say she has borderline personality disorder.
• 1:49:14
  They talked about her upbringing destroying her from a young age,
• 1:49:17
  her defense attorney like during her statement like we urge
• 1:49:20
  Eileen is Dan a damaged primitive child and like she
• 1:49:24
  liked her actual lawyer cried and she was like, spare her
• 1:49:27
  life, put her in prison forever, didn't matter the judge.
• 1:49:31
  Remember that explosion at the court, the jury, Recommended the
• 1:49:36
  death penalty by electric chair, the judge reaffirm this on
• 1:49:39
  January 13th 1992. I'm going to read you his
• 1:49:42
  statement cuz I just read, it says Eileen.
• 1:49:47
  Carol were knows being brought before the court by attorney.
• 1:49:49
  William Miller, Tricia Jenkins and Billy Nola's have been tried
• 1:49:52
  and found guilty of count one first-degree, premeditated
• 1:49:55
  murder and first degree, felony murder of Richard.
• 1:49:57
  Mallory a capital felony and count to armed robbery with a
• 1:50:01
  firearm here, by judge and found.
• 1:50:03
  Guilty of said offenses, the court having given the
• 1:50:05
  defendant, an opportunity to be heard and to offer a matters in
• 1:50:09
  Mitigation Of sentence. It is the sentence of this court
• 1:50:13
  that you Eileen Carol, wuornos be Read by the sheriff of
• 1:50:16
  Volusia County to the proper officer of the Department of
• 1:50:19
  Corrections, in the State of Florida, and by him safely kept
• 1:50:23
  until warrant of the governor of the state of Florida.
• 1:50:26
  You Aileen wuornos be electrocuted until you are dead.
• 1:50:29
  And may God have mercy on your corpse.
• 1:50:33
  That is not normally how you end that it has had mercy on your
• 1:50:37
  soul, right? Uh-huh.
• 1:50:39
  And so, it actually causes like an audible gasp from the
• 1:50:42
  courtroom and people weren't sure whether they had said the
• 1:50:45
  right Right thing, Eileen was gutted, she pleaded no contest
• 1:50:49
  to the murder of Charles, Humphreys, Troy Perez, and David
• 1:50:52
  Spears on March, 31st 1982. She told the court, she wanted
• 1:50:55
  to get right with God. She made a really bizarre
• 1:50:58
  statement to that court that ended with I wanted to confess
• 1:51:01
  to you. That Richard Mallory did
• 1:51:03
  violently great me. As of told you what the others
• 1:51:06
  did not. And then she turned and looked
• 1:51:09
  at the assistant State Attorney Rick Ridgeway.
• 1:51:11
  And whispered to him, I hope your wife and children get raped
• 1:51:14
  in the ass. And that's just kind of The
• 1:51:17
  Duality and Mylene that we've seen throughout the story,
• 1:51:21
  right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:23
  Something to expect coming from her moments of honesty and like
• 1:51:27
  wholesomeness followed by defensive anger and attempting
• 1:51:30
  to hurt people. Now, Friday, March 15th, she's
• 1:51:35
  given three more death sentences, she flips off the
• 1:51:38
  judge and called him a motherfucker.
• 1:51:43
  Now it was after the trial that the defense found the past of
• 1:51:47
  Richard Mallory. But by this point, she already
• 1:51:50
  had three other deaths and ince's so they were like.
• 1:51:52
  Should we even try and appeal? By the end of 92, she had been
• 1:51:56
  affirmed for six, new death sentences.
• 1:51:58
  Oh God Inside prison, it was like she'd already given up she
• 1:52:05
  was in for Department of Corrections at Broward
• 1:52:07
  correctional institute and so she was moved to Florida, state
• 1:52:10
  prison for execution. Her lawyers did trying to appeal
• 1:52:13
  even though she didn't want them to.
• 1:52:15
  And that appeal was denied by the US Supreme Court, in 1986
• 1:52:18
  after Eileen, tried to get her court-appointed attorneys to
• 1:52:21
  fall back. She eventually petitioned the
• 1:52:24
  Florida Supreme Court in 2001 to dismiss her legal counsel saying
• 1:52:29
  I killed those men. I robbed This cold as ice and I
• 1:52:31
  do it again. There's no chance and keeping me
• 1:52:33
  alive or anything because I'd kill again, I've hate crawling
• 1:52:36
  through my system, I'm so sick of hearing this, she's crazy
• 1:52:40
  stuff. I've been evaluated so many
• 1:52:41
  times. I'm confident saying and I'm
• 1:52:43
  trying to tell the truth, I'm someone who's seriously hates
• 1:52:46
  human life and I kill again. Her lawyers would like she is
• 1:52:51
  not competent to make a request like this, but the court agreed.
• 1:52:57
  During her time on death row, she was there with a couple
• 1:52:59
  other famous faces, like Judy Bueno, en o who had been on
• 1:53:03
  death row since nineteen 54, poisoning her husband and
• 1:53:07
  drowning her disabled, son, and planting a bomb and her
• 1:53:09
  boyfriend's car. Judy was the first woman
• 1:53:13
  executed on Florida March 30th 1998.
• 1:53:16
  There were other people to people who got their sentences
• 1:53:19
  commuted or reverse but Eileen didn't want that.
• 1:53:22
  By the time of her execution, she was 46 years old and
• 1:53:25
  honestly, a very hard life had added a decade to her looks.
• 1:53:29
  She was still saying, petite woman, but she had been
• 1:53:32
  stretched so far that by the time she was in prison in 91.
• 1:53:36
  There wasn't a lot left in her, not a lot of fight anymore.
• 1:53:41
  Death row cells, don't have bars.
• 1:53:42
  There's a metal door with a hatch to dispense food
• 1:53:45
  medication. She had one tiny window that
• 1:53:47
  looked at the parking lot. Goddamn her cell was that like
• 1:53:52
  soft Baker Miller pink that Alexander Shaw's told the
• 1:53:55
  prisons in the 60s, would decrease violent, aggressive
• 1:53:58
  behavior, maybe it worked. I don't know, Eileen didn't
• 1:54:02
  really raging herself, she read books about self-help
• 1:54:04
  Enlightenment. She wrote letters to Arlene
• 1:54:07
  prowl. This horse, breeder who saw her
• 1:54:09
  in the paper and told Eileen. That she needed a mother and so
• 1:54:12
  they refer to each other as my adopted mother, my adopted
• 1:54:17
  daughter. Even though Arlene was only 13
• 1:54:19
  years older than her. She wrote to her friend Dawn,
• 1:54:23
  Bodkins from when they were little.
• 1:54:24
  But her only childhood friend, that would be the return to a
• 1:54:28
  book called dear Dawn. She spoke with authors
• 1:54:30
  journalists she and Christopher Barry D would work on the
• 1:54:33
  autobiography monster. My true story while she was in
• 1:54:36
  prison. She made the deal for the movie.
• 1:54:38
  I think she really wanted people to know her.
• 1:54:40
  Story. She told the Orlando Sentinel at
• 1:54:43
  one point, I'm not a man hater. I'm just so used to being
• 1:54:46
  treated like dirt that I guess it's become a way of life but
• 1:54:50
  I'm a decent person. Ultimately Eileen, spent 11
• 1:54:53
  years and 4 months. And virtual isolation, waiting
• 1:54:56
  for execution. Pretty much begging the state to
• 1:54:59
  hurry up. There was still occasional
• 1:55:01
  outbursts like in 2002, she accused of prison of putting
• 1:55:05
  dirt and Things in her food. She said the president was
• 1:55:10
  trying to make her kill herself that they wanted to rape her.
• 1:55:13
  She said there were strip searches handcuffing, that was
• 1:55:18
  tight people kicking her door constant window checks, low
• 1:55:21
  water pressure, mildew on her mattress and that some of the
• 1:55:25
  CEOs cat called her her last week alive.
• 1:55:29
  She did a bunch of interviews with Nick Broomfield.
• 1:55:31
  Now, he has done a documentary on her in 1992 called Aileen,
• 1:55:34
  wuornos the selling of a serial killer Her.
• 1:55:37
  And he was actually one of the few people that I lean trusted,
• 1:55:39
  because Nick believed that her case was Miss Manilow mishandled
• 1:55:43
  and he released the second documentary life and death of a
• 1:55:47
  serial killer Like to counter what the reports like the the
• 1:55:54
  courts report. All right.
• 1:55:55
  We're okay, both of those films were actually used to make the
• 1:55:59
  movie monster in 2003. Her conservation, her
• 1:56:03
  conversations, do that week before she died ranged from
• 1:56:06
  sadness, complaining, about the prison feeling like she was
• 1:56:08
  tortured and one point. She even yelled at Nick, you
• 1:56:12
  sabotage my ass society and the cops and the system.
• 1:56:15
  A raped woman got executed in was used for books and movies
• 1:56:18
  and shit. It later, Nick and Don would
• 1:56:20
  talk and that eyes, they realize that Eileen was really talking
• 1:56:24
  about the society that we live in and media using her.
• 1:56:28
  Now September 20th, they wake her up, they get her dressed,
• 1:56:32
  move her to the execution site. The route from Broward prison
• 1:56:36
  was ironically the same Highway. She had worked and killed on
• 1:56:39
  I-95 to the Florida. Turnpike.
• 1:56:41
  West of Wildwood up. I-75 to Gainesville to the
• 1:56:46
  United Correctional Institution, which was formerly known as
• 1:56:49
  Florida State Prison. She was held in the special
• 1:56:51
  security cell, let 24 hours and watch 24 hours.
• 1:56:55
  It was honestly more of a cage than anything else.
• 1:56:58
  You didn't climb to speak to a priest or a chaplain, she
• 1:57:01
  declined. She denied her last meal asked
• 1:57:03
  for coffee instead on October 9th, 2002, she was supposed to
• 1:57:07
  be killed by electric chair, but in 2000, Florida, had brought in
• 1:57:11
  lethal injection. On the day of she didn't fight
• 1:57:15
  she walked to the execution chamber.
• 1:57:16
  Calmly and her last words were yes I would just like to say I'm
• 1:57:20
  sailing with The Rock and I'll be back like Independence Day
• 1:57:23
  With Jesus, June 6, like the movie Big Mothership And all
• 1:57:27
  I'll be back. Back.
• 1:57:28
  I'll be back and she died on 9:47 a.m. she is the second
• 1:57:34
  woman in Florida and the tenth and the u.s. to be executed
• 1:57:37
  since the United States Supreme Court restored capital
• 1:57:40
  punishment. 1976 she was cremated as her request Dawn,
• 1:57:47
  scattered her ashes at a secret location and Foster Ian.
• 1:57:49
  Michigan, Eileen had one of the requests that Natalie Merchant
• 1:57:53
  song Carnival was played at her memorial service.
• 1:57:56
  That album was something that she Listen to a lot on death
• 1:57:59
  row, when Natalie heard about it, she was like, oh, you can
• 1:58:03
  use that song in the ending credits for your movie, Nick
• 1:58:06
  Broomfield, when next enter the film to watch.
• 1:58:11
  She said it was too disturbing and Natalie will know.
• 1:58:16
  Like she just said that, like, you know, Eileen had a really
• 1:58:18
  hard life, and this is like terrible to watch but she also
• 1:58:22
  said it was very odd to think of the places, my music can go.
• 1:58:25
  Once it leaves my hand, if it gave her some Solace.
• 1:58:28
  I have to be grateful, okay? Ultimately they they decided
• 1:58:36
  that she had borderline personality disorder and
• 1:58:38
  antisocial personality disorder. She's very famously known for
• 1:58:42
  scoring 32 on the psychopathy checklist in which the highest
• 1:58:46
  score was thought to be a 3000 honestly, I don't know if
• 1:58:51
  somebody like Eileen would exist in today's world.
• 1:58:53
  I worked in child care for 10 years.
• 1:58:55
  I met kids with a multitude of Disorders and mental illnesses.
• 1:59:00
  And in today's day we have a lot of resources for children.
• 1:59:03
  Kids do fall through the cracks but like Gosh, one of the
• 1:59:06
  horrible details. I know about my work based on
• 1:59:09
  that work, is that like the current rate of sexual assault
• 1:59:11
  in, the US for children is 28%, this is the lowest it's been in
• 1:59:16
  decades. So in in the age when Eileen
• 1:59:21
  lived it was much, much higher. We have brought it down to that
• 1:59:25
  28 percent based on teaching parents and anybody who works
• 1:59:29
  with children how to spot things before they become things, we
• 1:59:34
  are very far from fixing the issue.
• 1:59:36
  We're teaching kids about agency autonomy, right?
• 1:59:41
  Yeah, we got, you know what? It's funny.
• 1:59:43
  We got our kids this book and it's it's, it's about, you know,
• 1:59:50
  how people are, you know, you're not supposed to be touched by
• 1:59:52
  anybody basically and how you know, my parts are my parts, and
• 1:59:56
  I don't share those. Anybody and so, it's a really
• 1:59:59
  good book for like, you know, teaching is in something that so
• 2:00:03
  they know that, you know, you're not supposed to be and if
• 2:00:06
  anything happens like that you do speak up and you know, tell
• 2:00:09
  someone that you trust. Mmm.
• 2:00:12
  Yeah, it's wild that we have to teach this but that we have the
• 2:00:16
  evidence of Decades of not teaching it, right?
• 2:00:19
  Yeah. Leaving our kids, vulnerable to
• 2:00:23
  abuse. Honestly, I don't know where I
• 2:00:26
  sit on this. If she should have gotten the
• 2:00:28
  death penalty or if they should have given her a chance to get
• 2:00:31
  their be and medication and see if she could live a different
• 2:00:35
  life. Like, I don't know.
• 2:00:36
  Hmm. I know I said, like I said,
• 2:00:39
  after I looked through all those transcripts I was just
• 2:00:41
  overwhelmingly sad. Yes, it's this is a bummer.
• 2:00:46
  But story pretty keys. I know what it really was.
• 2:00:52
  I gotta ask what happened to what's her face.
• 2:00:56
  Hi-yah. After all, this did she did she
• 2:01:00
  not visit Eileen at all? Like does she not have visitors
• 2:01:04
  at all because like I mean was she died at 43?
• 2:01:13
  Okay wait. No wrong time at 43 or Cuz I'm
• 2:01:22
  just like, well she kept your butt out of jail.
• 2:01:25
  You like to least you do is like visit her.
• 2:01:27
  Yeah. There is a picture of the two of
• 2:01:36
  them and Eileen's in like a like a jumpsuit, like a blue
• 2:01:42
  jumpsuit. So, I think, Ty did visit her at
• 2:01:45
  some point in prison and Eileen's laughing in this photo.
• 2:01:49
  So I think they might have made up.
• 2:01:51
  Okay. Nope, never mind till the date
• 2:02:01
  of, I'll ease execution. Tyria, more did not pay her a
• 2:02:03
  visit in jail. So this must have been before
• 2:02:06
  the murder that picture must have been before the murder case
• 2:02:09
  came down. Okay.
• 2:02:12
  Yep. After the trial, she became
• 2:02:15
  reclusive and lived a very secret of life and move back to
• 2:02:19
  Pennsylvania with her family, okay?
• 2:02:23
  Okay. So, nope.
• 2:02:24
  Nope. You're right.
• 2:02:25
  She did Keep Ass out of prison, but there's no honor among
• 2:02:29
  Thieves. Okay, all right.
• 2:02:35
  Well, after that, rather depressing discussion of mental
• 2:02:39
  health and crime, maybe you have something better to talk about
• 2:02:43
  today. Brian, I do, I do actually help.
• 2:02:48
  Because, when you're my notes to Pop Up and goodness gracious, my
• 2:02:51
  computer slow today. All right, listen, I understand.
• 2:02:53
  I'm in, I'm looking for a way for me to buy what I need, but
• 2:02:59
  also get an upgrade, that's the way it goes.
• 2:03:05
  So I've been thinking a lot about how no one really talks
• 2:03:09
  about witches eating children as much as they should, you know,
• 2:03:12
  excuse me, which is, I just want to make sure we all heard that.
• 2:03:24
  Yeah, that's right. Which is eating children.
• 2:03:26
  No one talks about it enough. Like, it's not one of the
• 2:03:29
  cautionary. Tales you hear any more about?
• 2:03:31
  I didn't know that which is eat children.
• 2:03:33
  I'm pretty sure the only Everyone I know is Baba Yaga and
• 2:03:38
  I thought she wasn't a witch. I thought she was another kind
• 2:03:41
  of creature. Okay, well it was just a hag and
• 2:03:47
  like in D&D hags are different than witches.
• 2:03:51
  Because of course, I know Dungeons & Dragons more than
• 2:03:53
  anything else, we're not talking DD today.
• 2:03:56
  Alright, so all you know, all know more people care about when
• 2:04:01
  it comes to which is that you know, is that they'll get hex
• 2:04:04
  Torino, the razor dead or maybe commune with some type of dark
• 2:04:08
  lord who fucking knows, you know, which are all true.
• 2:04:11
  You know, you know, this happens sometimes witches, I guess but
• 2:04:15
  you know it's also true which just can be fickle, okay?
• 2:04:19
  They may. To eat someone one second.
• 2:04:22
  And then turn around and help someone else, help.
• 2:04:25
  What's up with that, right? The lady from Hansel and Gretel.
• 2:04:28
  Was she a witch Yeah. Oh I just thought she was a
• 2:04:32
  cannibal. I didn't know she was doing a
• 2:04:35
  spell. I just thought she liked the
• 2:04:37
  taste of children. I mean, I'm sorry.
• 2:04:49
  I'm like, this is Anyway, I guess I could just get you what
• 2:04:57
  I'm talking about. No, I just thought she liked the
• 2:05:03
  taste. You're not wrong, not wrong at
• 2:05:10
  all. So a minute for the approval of
• 2:05:14
  the Midnight Society, This is the tale of your guests, it.
• 2:05:19
  So I guess whatever Baba Yaga. Like I said, I didn't know she
• 2:05:23
  was a witch. I thought that was a whole
• 2:05:25
  different kind of creature. No, it's not.
• 2:05:29
  It's not as subspecies of which its it is.
• 2:05:32
  Which and to be fair, that's the only detail I know as Russian or
• 2:05:37
  like in that area. Um, she's Russian well because
• 2:05:42
  my one friend is Ukrainian and he talks about the probably
• 2:05:45
  gonna go but I'd say it's a Slavic, okay.
• 2:05:50
  Sorry, I always guess, I don't mean to guess what?
• 2:05:53
  You're going to talk about it. I make it so obvious when I'm
• 2:05:57
  talking about which is okay. So um she's from Russia.
• 2:06:07
  But like a few to her origin story.
• 2:06:08
  I'm ready. Okay.
• 2:06:10
  Okay, okay. So as many of y'all have already
• 2:06:17
  guessed Baba, Yaga is a witch but not just any which I mean,
• 2:06:21
  you know how people like we're just try but which is being like
• 2:06:24
  an old ugly Crone who lives out in the woods that would eat
• 2:06:28
  children. When in reality, they were just
• 2:06:31
  like some hot-ass called girls like just getting high in the
• 2:06:34
  woods and can well, Hurry up. I do.
• 2:06:38
  I thought that was the modern retelling.
• 2:06:40
  That was the craft version of witches.
• 2:06:43
  I want. That is when I saw the craft.
• 2:06:48
  That's, that's the that's the, which that people normally get
• 2:06:51
  when they think. Okay.
• 2:06:53
  Which stardew Valley the game on switch?
• 2:07:03
  The little animals and that you sell the bells and why can't I
• 2:07:06
  remember it? Oh, Animal Crossing in my Animal
• 2:07:09
  Crossing I have my character dressed up like the one which
• 2:07:13
  from The movie, The Crab, the craft, its that it says seen
• 2:07:19
  with the black hat and they get off the bus and the guys, like,
• 2:07:23
  you know, be careful about those weirdos out there.
• 2:07:26
  As she goes, we are the weirdos have that exact outfit on my
• 2:07:31
  character. I love the craft.
• 2:07:34
  This one of my favorite movies. Absolutely.
• 2:07:37
  Okay. So the reality is that not sexy
• 2:07:40
  hot girls not sexy. Okay so and this reality when
• 2:07:45
  you My Baba, Yaga. The people are spot on.
• 2:07:48
  When they talk about, you know, with his they, she is ugly, she
• 2:07:52
  is a crone, she lives in the woods and her story, like I
• 2:07:56
  said, I'm sorry, cousin Russia. And it's a very, very well known
• 2:08:00
  folklore from the area. So I'm not going to read the
• 2:08:06
  whole thing to you, but I don't want to summarize it for you.
• 2:08:11
  So it may sound a little familiar to most of you.
• 2:08:15
  Especially you Brittany. No I actually don't know a lot
• 2:08:18
  about her. No no but it will sound familiar
• 2:08:21
  to you just just way. Sure.
• 2:08:23
  So okay, yeah, I guarantee it. So the story, you know, starts
• 2:08:31
  out with, you know, dad and his wife and their two kids, sadly
• 2:08:38
  the mom dies and, you know, Dad he's like real sad.
• 2:08:43
  So he's at, you know, They're of few years.
• 2:08:47
  He's like you know what, it's not going to remarry.
• 2:08:50
  So he remarries and the stepmother that these kids get
• 2:08:57
  she's very, very jealous of the, the boy and the girl, okay?
• 2:09:04
  The son and daughter because, you know, the dad loves them and
• 2:09:09
  she was like I should be is all he would be loves right now.
• 2:09:12
  How dare you love anybody else? So I mean that happens in real
• 2:09:17
  life so I know it's terrible. Um, when I might like almost
• 2:09:23
  like messaging me, he was like live messaging me.
• 2:09:25
  This conversation, I overheard in a bar where this girl was
• 2:09:28
  trying to convince a guy to give up his children for her and he
• 2:09:33
  was just like I want to go over there and talk to him and I'm
• 2:09:36
  like either he's going to make the right decision or he's not
• 2:09:39
  but she crazy. So sometimes you want to like
• 2:09:43
  interviewing like yo bro, do you are you listening to what she's
• 2:09:46
  saying? I'm like, there's nobody in this
• 2:09:48
  world that would make me a bandit like what?
• 2:09:54
  No way. So so stepmother evil stepmother
• 2:09:59
  giving me Cinderella Vibes. Yeah.
• 2:10:02
  So she's you know, she's making him do chores and stuff saying
• 2:10:05
  that, they're not detroiters that they're doing.
• 2:10:07
  She like, she would tell me to do chores and the kids would do
• 2:10:09
  a perfectly. But at the end of the day, she
• 2:10:11
  would Go back to, you know, their dad and like your children
• 2:10:15
  suck at doing chores. They don't know what the hell
• 2:10:17
  they're doing. They everything is a mess again.
• 2:10:20
  Well well well and you know the dead wood so I don't know why
• 2:10:24
  but he somehow believed her and he's like well okay what do we
• 2:10:31
  do about the kids today? And she's like I have a great
• 2:10:34
  idea. So at first at first You know,
• 2:10:44
  she it's funny because the story I read it was like you know she
• 2:10:47
  calls to the kids and as soon as like she gets his idea in her
• 2:10:51
  head. The story starts calling them
• 2:10:53
  orphans as soon as she gets her as soon as she gets his ideas.
• 2:11:01
  No, no that's fine. Okay.
• 2:11:03
  Um, but I guess the bad dad, if he let her do all that horrible.
• 2:11:07
  Crap to though, I mean, here's a big kids are bad at chores on
• 2:11:14
  purpose. I literally these kids were not
• 2:11:17
  my friends kid and you can ask This teenager to do something.
• 2:11:26
  He'll do it. Like 75% of the way she is.
• 2:11:33
  Are, you know, just let it go. Hmm.
• 2:11:38
  So she could have been mad but I've been like, okay, well
• 2:11:41
  that's just children, get over it lady.
• 2:11:44
  Yeah. So shows the stepmother, she's
• 2:11:48
  like, all right, go to my grandmother's house who lives in
• 2:11:53
  the forest and you'll see, you can tell where she lives, okay?
• 2:11:57
  Because her Hut has chicken feet.
• 2:12:02
  Okay, okay, so we're talking about like proper witchcraft.
• 2:12:05
  Then Yeah. Wow.
• 2:12:09
  And you're going to live there. You're going to do everything
• 2:12:12
  that she wants to do. And then she'll give you sweet
• 2:12:14
  things to eat and you'll be happy.
• 2:12:17
  And you'll have to worry about coming back home because I'll
• 2:12:19
  take care of your dad. And, you know, you don't have to
• 2:12:22
  worry, you don't have to worry about you, she'll take care of
• 2:12:25
  you. Okay?
• 2:12:26
  That's what was going to happen. And then, the kids are like,
• 2:12:31
  okay I guess we got kicked out of the house, so What do we do
• 2:12:36
  now? So the sister daughter and she's
• 2:12:39
  like, you know what, let's go to our grandmother's house real
• 2:12:44
  quick, smart until so she goes our grandmother's house and they
• 2:12:48
  tell her what's going on and she's like, oh no, no, that's
• 2:12:54
  terrible. You guys have a very, very, very
• 2:12:58
  bad future. Coming ahead of you because the
• 2:13:01
  person you're like the house you're headed to its this house
• 2:13:03
  of Baba. Yaga.
• 2:13:04
  Wait wait. Wait Grandma you you're supposed
• 2:13:08
  to help me not let yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I was reading a
• 2:13:13
  story and I said the same thing. I was like, I can't know, the
• 2:13:19
  grandma only got one room. She got only got one bedroom.
• 2:13:22
  I try to get my freak on. I got to get my freak on things.
• 2:13:32
  I never thought I would hear come out of your mouth.
• 2:13:35
  Oh my God, I'm in a mood today. Okay, we both had a good day.
• 2:13:42
  So she know she wants and she's like, hey just here's what I'm
• 2:13:47
  going to do. I'm gonna give you some of these
• 2:13:48
  things and you take it with you. Just don't don't eat it though.
• 2:13:53
  So she gave him like a big slice of ham and like some milk and
• 2:13:56
  drink. So they, they drink their milk
• 2:13:58
  of it. You know, the boat, well blah,
• 2:14:00
  and she gave them cookies too. So, They get to the house is
• 2:14:05
  Baba Yaga. She meets him there.
• 2:14:07
  And it's like they had to call to the house because the house
• 2:14:10
  is up, apparently, sentient as well.
• 2:14:12
  Cool. So, yeah, they call it to the
• 2:14:15
  housing like, hey, house, turn around.
• 2:14:17
  So you can get inside of you because the house is like
• 2:14:19
  facing. I feel like if I have to sell
• 2:14:21
  the house turn around, that's like a very clear sign.
• 2:14:25
  Don't go in the tradition dealing with a witch.
• 2:14:29
  Like, I'm just saying, you know, there's some really cool stuff
• 2:14:32
  like in Magic together, There's like this cool card where
• 2:14:35
  there's like a house. That's like a monster.
• 2:14:38
  I don't play the game but I like the pictures and it's probably
• 2:14:43
  based off of probably and it looks very frightening and I
• 2:14:47
  just feel like if you have to ask permission to enter, you
• 2:14:50
  shouldn't be there in this sentient house that can eat you.
• 2:14:55
  This is very true. so they may meet a Baba Yaga she you know
• 2:15:04
  she comes out and she like she tells him she was like Hey I'm
• 2:15:07
  gonna Actually kids are like, hey are you know, certain mother
• 2:15:12
  send us here like this serve you so you guys you can feed us and
• 2:15:17
  you know, because the stepmother was barely feeding them.
• 2:15:22
  And Bobby. I was like, yeah.
• 2:15:24
  Okay, that's fine. Um, but hey, guess what?
• 2:15:26
  If you don't do these chores, exactly.
• 2:15:29
  The way they need to be done, I will eat you.
• 2:15:33
  When people in chores in Russia, this is it.
• 2:15:37
  I mean it's not well to be fair. My grandmother threatened me
• 2:15:40
  with stories of skinwalkers. So I mean, I guess it's just
• 2:15:46
  part of history that in ancient times.
• 2:15:49
  We just frightened children with stories of You're gonna die if
• 2:15:54
  you don't do this thing. Unfortunately, terrible
• 2:16:00
  horrible. Oh God.
• 2:16:03
  So the kids are like okay I guess this is some type of fare
• 2:16:10
  so you know I started doing chores with the chores or
• 2:16:12
  difficult like there's I mean there's simple tasks like, you
• 2:16:16
  know, clean the tub or okay or you know, you're sleeping and
• 2:16:21
  stuff. Like that and but they are
• 2:16:24
  difficult to do because this is a magical house and of course
• 2:16:28
  you know some Chichi, she wants to eat the kids.
• 2:16:33
  So this would be is perfect. This is a really cool story
• 2:16:37
  actually. So that helps the children to
• 2:16:41
  help its Master ghetto a meal. Yeah, basically.
• 2:16:47
  So, yeah. So the, which I guess you would
• 2:16:51
  call them some Yours because there are animals, they're rats.
• 2:16:55
  They're mice in the house and there's a cat in the house.
• 2:16:57
  Well, but also her, I guess her grounds are like scenting in the
• 2:17:04
  live to like her trees are alive and in the gate on our very
• 2:17:08
  houses life. Houseman Regal.
• 2:17:13
  Yeah there you go. There you go.
• 2:17:15
  Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah it's exactly like it can
• 2:17:19
  tow up in here. so, The animals like the mice were like, hey,
• 2:17:27
  you know, what will help you out because this this house is here
• 2:17:30
  to trip. You is a, here's your trick,
• 2:17:32
  you, okay. It's a trap house, not that kind
• 2:17:36
  of track Pals and, you know, the girl gives a nice cookies.
• 2:17:43
  And then they give the birds that are flying around her house
• 2:17:46
  crumbs, and then they give them hints on how to complete these
• 2:17:51
  tasks. And then, Talk to a cat like the
• 2:17:56
  single black cat that's living there and he's and he tells them
• 2:17:59
  how to like get to get away from Baba Yaga and she comes home
• 2:18:05
  that night and she's like who so you don't get yours, great.
• 2:18:09
  Guess what? You'll have even difficult, even
• 2:18:12
  more difficult for is tomorrow and if you don't get them done,
• 2:18:16
  guess what? That's right.
• 2:18:17
  I'm going to eat you. Um, Okay, so doing what the cat
• 2:18:24
  said to get away from Baba Yaga, the kids run away that night and
• 2:18:30
  like they have to they have to like get past like some trees
• 2:18:35
  that are trying to attack them. They try to get past like this,
• 2:18:37
  Rusty Gate, that would have woken Baba, Yaga whenever like,
• 2:18:43
  or a learn, learn Baba Yaga or some shit like that.
• 2:18:48
  And they like, they're very kind to these things that are trying
• 2:18:51
  to attack them and kill them. And When Baba Yaga comes home,
• 2:18:54
  she's like, yo, why did you guys stop them?
• 2:18:56
  And they're like, because they were nice to us.
• 2:18:59
  They actually cared about this and you you created us and guess
• 2:19:04
  what? You've been asshole to us this
• 2:19:06
  whole time and you have not taken care of us.
• 2:19:08
  You just let us rusting. Let me like not be pretty as a
• 2:19:12
  tree and stuff like that. And you never gave the cat food,
• 2:19:16
  like it was there just like and she's like Fuck.
• 2:19:21
  Okay, well that's all me. I I guess, absolutely, my bad.
• 2:19:28
  So she goes and chases after the kids and she can never find it
• 2:19:32
  because of something the cat told him, dude, I guess it was
• 2:19:36
  drop a towel. And there will be, there will be
• 2:19:41
  a river like a towel in a river will appear what a tell is
• 2:19:47
  dropped and also drop a comb behind you if you her coming
• 2:19:51
  closer to you and then a deep dark Forest will Sprout up out
• 2:19:56
  of the ground and she won't be able to pass through there.
• 2:19:58
  So they did all the stuff. She couldn't find them.
• 2:20:00
  She got pissed off. So she went home and she like,
• 2:20:02
  Fuck this, I'm going home. so, after that, The kids went home
• 2:20:11
  back to their dad so better than liking it so far.
• 2:20:19
  Yeah. Because we're going back to her
• 2:20:20
  dad and you know, they told him like, yo, dad, why'd you let her
• 2:20:25
  do this to us? And he's like, must have been
• 2:20:28
  blinded by love or some shit like that and then he sent, you
• 2:20:33
  know, stepmother away in and, you know, they live happy to
• 2:20:36
  happily ever after the yet. Yeah, that's a town Fabia.
• 2:20:40
  That was that's one of the Tails of her.
• 2:20:45
  And the children. Now there are other tales about
• 2:20:52
  her and her description kind of changes a little bit, not a lot,
• 2:20:59
  but so one thing that stays constant is that her house is a
• 2:21:07
  hut that is deep in the woods and it's very sentient and it
• 2:21:15
  Does have chicken legs growing out of the bottom of it so it's
• 2:21:18
  like, I don't like that part though.
• 2:21:20
  It's a chicken house. It's a house.
• 2:21:24
  Not should not a fan of that part.
• 2:21:28
  That's what they like is when I saw it.
• 2:21:30
  I was like it's just chicken is a chicken house, that's gross.
• 2:21:38
  Yeah. but um, like I said, she she Is not only like a child
• 2:21:47
  eating, oh cannibal which show actually she'll help people out
• 2:21:52
  as well if they do some trials for her and, you know, they're
• 2:21:57
  getting done right way and she will show, you know, Grant your
• 2:22:01
  wishes or whatever the fuck you want from her.
• 2:22:05
  Oh no babies. Don't do that.
• 2:22:08
  Just don't make deals with any sort of entity.
• 2:22:14
  Hey ghosts demons which it like listen, especially not a gin.
• 2:22:23
  If I just know I'm not going to my personal anyway just don't,
• 2:22:29
  don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
• 2:22:33
  I won't accidentally. So anime whole lives away.
• 2:22:38
  Whoops, It's a funny. So their tails that she that in
• 2:22:50
  the force, she rides around on like a giant mortar, and she
• 2:22:54
  uses a pestle to grind up the bones of the people.
• 2:22:57
  She eats makes sense. So she she rides I guess it's
• 2:23:04
  like it's not a sentient mortar but she somehow makes it like a
• 2:23:07
  move. Yeah, she's magic.
• 2:23:12
  Yes. Yeah.
• 2:23:13
  Which Powers? Yeah, no, that's a Harry Potter
• 2:23:18
  type crap. Okay, we do have a broom.
• 2:23:23
  So we are following some of the which Mythos, yeah, but she
• 2:23:27
  doesn't really right around sometimes but some and Other
• 2:23:30
  Stories she does ride on and use it to her.
• 2:23:33
  People. He okay so she she uses a broom
• 2:23:40
  when she's riding around on the mortar to sweep away her Trail.
• 2:23:43
  So nobody knows which way she's gone because they definitely not
• 2:23:47
  going to remember the way this lady like flew off.
• 2:23:52
  No, it's cute though, that's cute.
• 2:23:54
  That's kind of like it's adorable.
• 2:23:56
  Like There's no way you're going to remember the fact that you
• 2:24:00
  just saw me steal a child. So I'm gonna sweep sweep sweep,
• 2:24:05
  sweep the Dust Away. Oops.
• 2:24:07
  It's all gone. Now, that's kind of adorable.
• 2:24:13
  Yeah, and then she then she another story.
• 2:24:16
  She does fly around on her broom.
• 2:24:18
  Okay. Apparently, she has the power to
• 2:24:21
  like remove her heart. Her hands from her body to make
• 2:24:25
  them like Idle Hands. And like Go run around and do
• 2:24:29
  her bidding. Oh, wow.
• 2:24:32
  There's so much stuff in this story that I am feeling like
• 2:24:36
  the, like, they just borrowed from this and made other stuff.
• 2:24:41
  Everybody likes a word from. They just literally a movie
• 2:24:44
  called Idle Hands. Yes, about yeah.
• 2:24:48
  Obviously a phantom hand that is up to no good.
• 2:24:53
  Yeah. Possessed by the devil.
• 2:24:54
  It was some crazy like that. Yeah.
• 2:24:56
  It was a long time ago. That was in the 90s.
• 2:24:59
  Yes. But yeah.
• 2:25:00
  I mean and honestly the there's I mean High insulin Gretel dates
• 2:25:04
  back to what Grim, the Grimm fairy tales?
• 2:25:08
  What I mean, either everybody was just, you know, having a
• 2:25:11
  good time making mythology about kids being eaten, or they were
• 2:25:15
  kind of borrowing off of each other, because we've got Hansel
• 2:25:19
  and Gretel. We've got Krampus.
• 2:25:23
  Also eats children, Baba. Yaga also each children.
• 2:25:27
  I'm not This couple more from Europe, um, that's funny that
• 2:25:32
  you mention that, but yeah, there's there's is another.
• 2:25:35
  So I got this one off of Wikipedia, okay?
• 2:25:38
  It's, it's a, it's called a Yama Yama, Uber and is from Japanese
• 2:25:44
  folklore. They also eat in children as
• 2:25:48
  they. It's just like Baba.
• 2:25:50
  Yaga. It's a crone that lives in the
• 2:25:52
  mountains and she She has some very cannibalistic Tendencies.
• 2:26:03
  I will say this Baba, yaga's working harder.
• 2:26:05
  Not smarter, because the witch in The Brothers, Grimm story,
• 2:26:10
  just let them eat until they were too fat to get up.
• 2:26:14
  Yeah, and then a time she's like y'all got to keep my house up
• 2:26:18
  for me. Yeah, they say it's like you
• 2:26:19
  gotta clean or I'll let you if you do it, right?
• 2:26:24
  I'll let you go. And I'm like, no, don't give
• 2:26:26
  them options. I mean if you're doing a
• 2:26:28
  terrible thing, be solid with that.
• 2:26:34
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:26:38
  Baba Yaga. She's um, she's a complicated
• 2:26:40
  person. Yeah, you know.
• 2:26:44
  Um, but yeah, I do they want to talk about the gamma mu because
• 2:26:47
  she's so Not only was she just, like, Bobby I go with the, you
• 2:26:53
  know, Campbell in the stuff like that.
• 2:26:57
  Apparently is a tail. As I read, this is the tell
• 2:27:01
  about her. I guess helping somebody in the
• 2:27:05
  village. Give birth, right?
• 2:27:08
  And it was like in a mountain hut and is you know, this lady.
• 2:27:12
  She just stumbled upon there's like I gotta giving birth to my
• 2:27:15
  baby and the AMA Kuma Yama hooba.
• 2:27:22
  She, you know she was the skies at like, you know, a kind old
• 2:27:26
  lady. So when You know, when she gave
• 2:27:31
  birth when the woman gave birth to the child, she realizes.
• 2:27:36
  Oh my God this is gamma mu but no no this is terrible.
• 2:27:41
  And then she plans to eat the the baby.
• 2:27:46
  I guess that was birthed from the Baton from the lady in one
• 2:27:51
  story and then and Other Stories she raises the baby as her own
• 2:27:58
  And he becomes like a famous warrior okay?
• 2:28:02
  Which is yeah which is okay is that all right?
• 2:28:09
  I was reading it. I was like oh I mean I so got a
• 2:28:11
  child eater child stealer both both So, a little bit Baba, Yaga
• 2:28:21
  and a little bit Sleeping Beauty, not sleeping beauty.
• 2:28:25
  I'm the one with the long hair Rapunzel, a little Bobby Yonder,
• 2:28:29
  a little Rapunzel. Like, you know, because she
• 2:28:31
  stole that baby in capturing at our whole life.
• 2:28:35
  Yeah, this is very true. My God.
• 2:28:37
  They all overlap. Yeah.
• 2:28:41
  But yeah, it's funny because I saw like references to this Yama
• 2:28:46
  Uber. And I guess the, what do you
• 2:28:53
  call it? I don't know.
• 2:28:54
  You know, Jinx from Pokemon apparently is based off of that.
• 2:29:00
  Yeah, MOBA. Yeah.
• 2:29:02
  There's so many and I was like, oh that's awesome.
• 2:29:06
  Yeah, no, I can do a whole thing about Pokemon based off of late.
• 2:29:10
  Japanese folk. Oh, that was the one that years
• 2:29:13
  ago, people thought looked kind of blackface E.
• 2:29:16
  I forgot about Jake's, well, it had her, they did have her
• 2:29:20
  Blackwell not, because she's purple bit, you know, she's
• 2:29:24
  purple. And yeah, well, it's good to
• 2:29:26
  know that the Aces was just a young moo.
• 2:29:30
  Yeah, this is true. But yeah, it's funny because
• 2:29:35
  like all these all these stories and I understand it because I'm
• 2:29:40
  looking at a traditional photo of the yamuna and she does have
• 2:29:46
  giant white hair like yellow hair.
• 2:29:49
  Yep. And like Big Clip now, the
• 2:29:52
  outfits all wrong for the Pokemon but she's like big gowns
• 2:29:55
  and them looking at like a performance and someone wishes
• 2:30:00
  Mask and a big wig and like even at like the drawings of her from
• 2:30:04
  like older, she is a more Brown like a Browner skinned Japanese
• 2:30:10
  person. Yep, it's hard to say brown skin
• 2:30:13
  because it's not the same as like black people, but it is a
• 2:30:16
  darker complexion than average that they they draw here as
• 2:30:21
  Yeah. It's just, I don't know.
• 2:30:24
  I find it interesting. How all these other stories can
• 2:30:28
  maybe Sprout from just one single story to hell?
• 2:30:31
  All these these elements in them?
• 2:30:34
  You know what I mean? Like, well we don't want to take
• 2:30:36
  everything out of here but evil stepmother check doing chores
• 2:30:41
  all the time. Check Dad's dad's gone.
• 2:30:44
  Check. Yep.
• 2:30:45
  Cinderella which living in the woods.
• 2:30:50
  Check, that's all of them. She's always in the woods.
• 2:30:53
  Old Town children being stranded by their parents in the woods to
• 2:31:01
  for whatever reason, Hansel and Gretel, right?
• 2:31:05
  It's it's no, I think Hansel and Gretel.
• 2:31:08
  They were like Jews out being gluttonous.
• 2:31:11
  Well, there's no, no, no. There's other Tales.
• 2:31:15
  I think if you look at the grip, if you read the Grimm was, it's
• 2:31:17
  very different than Americanized version, but the definitely the
• 2:31:20
  story and the Americanized version is Stop being so much.
• 2:31:25
  That's you basically much like three children.
• 2:31:27
  Yeah. And they but followed they left
• 2:31:30
  a trail of breadcrumbs, right? And then they got to her house
• 2:31:34
  and like Heathens. They just start eating her
• 2:31:38
  house. How dare you?
• 2:31:41
  Just eat my home? Yeah, but I think in the real
• 2:31:46
  story their parents left him in the woods because they couldn't,
• 2:31:49
  I think they yeah I think their parents abandon them, but still
• 2:31:53
  they they were hungry so they just ate the first thing they
• 2:31:55
  saw. But then they didn't stop, you
• 2:31:59
  know, they kept going and going into which is like, oh well you
• 2:32:03
  want to eat. Haha, I'll fatten you up real
• 2:32:05
  quick. You go here, shove this in your
• 2:32:08
  mouth and they're like we want to go home.
• 2:32:10
  And there is no home is no home. Got it yet.
• 2:32:15
  I forget how that story ended in.
• 2:32:17
  If they went back to, I'm pretty sure they died in the original
• 2:32:20
  because in all the Grimm Fairy Tales, the kid always dies,
• 2:32:26
  Princess. And the Pea, not a p.
• 2:32:28
  It was a knife. She got stabbed.
• 2:32:30
  Hey, Like the Grim stories are always.
• 2:32:37
  If you do this thing, you will die.
• 2:32:39
  Here's an example of you doing the thing and died.
• 2:32:42
  They've died. Hey yeah.
• 2:32:44
  That's like solid the G, original fairy tales like there
• 2:32:48
  was no Happy Endings. Then we like Disney fide them
• 2:32:52
  and they got weird. And then from the disneyfication
• 2:32:56
  they changed again because people didn't like the Happy
• 2:32:59
  Endings. Right?
• 2:33:01
  Yeah, they made them into adult movies.
• 2:33:03
  Then. Yeah.
• 2:33:04
  Jimmy rated R movies. Yeah.
• 2:33:05
  There was a grim horror movie. Yeah.
• 2:33:10
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