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Lesley Groff And Her 302 Proffer Statement To The FBI (6/15/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to keep the
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conversation about Leslie Groff going and we're going to take
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a look at the three to zero two report that
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she gave to the FBI. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Leslie
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Groff date of birth redacted was interviewed pursuing to a
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proffer agreement at thirty nine Broadway, Suite sixteen ten, New York,
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New York. Present for the proffer was Groff's attorney, Michael Backner.
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Also present for the proffer was an assistant United States Attorneys
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redacted and redacted, along with special Agent redacted. After being
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advised of the identity of the above listed individuals and
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the nature of the interview, Groff provided the following information.
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Groff is in retirement along with her husband. Groff has
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a redacted son. Groff enjoys exercising and listening to books
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on tape. Groff resigned in July twenty nineteen from working
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for Jeffrey Epstein. Groff had started working for Epstein in
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February of two thousand and one. Graff attended college in
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North Texas and is a UTD graduate. Groff lived in Texas,
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then met a man who lived in New Jersey, which
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caused her to move to the area. Groff worked for
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nine years at an office supply company. Groff then divorced.
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Groff then worked at Nordstrom. Groff met her current husband
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at a triathlon. Groff was still working at Nordstrom at
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the time. Groff wanted to be an event planner and
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thought Wall Street would be a great place to work
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a headhunter. Russell found a resume on Monster. Groff was
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looking at a job to work for the Knicks, but
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it was taken. Groff met with Russell and he told
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her that there was a job to organize one man's life.
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This man was Epstein, a Manhattan socialite. Graff had never
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heard of Epstein before this. Groff interviewed for the position.
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Groff interviewed with redacted redacted, who was Glenn Maxwell, Maxwell's
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assistant at the time. Then Groff interviewed with maxim Well
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before interviewing with Epstein. The next day, when he was
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in town, Groff interviewed at four fifty seven Madison on
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the fourth floor. This location was part of a palace.
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Groff was in the front office before going to Epstein's office.
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Groff met with all three people on the same day.
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It was a normal interview about being an executive assistant.
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During the interview, the phone kept bringing. Epstein would talk
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then hang up. It seemed to be a very vibrant office.
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Groff had to sign a non disclosure agreement. If Groff
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spoke about business people, which Groff thought included Les Wexner,
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she would owe him one hundred thousand dollars. Groff had
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never seen anything like the non disclosure agreement before working
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for Epstein. Grof had her own office in the back.
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Others that worked at the office were two attorneys, an assistant,
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a trader, a travel assistant redacted or redacted or redacted
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and redacted. Maxwell came in and out of the office.
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Epstein did not work a nine to five schedule. Epstein
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gave Groff pages, including a call who he wanted to
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see and the appointments. Grof had to reorganize and shift
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things at the time. Groff made all the phone calls,
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including calling the driver, chef, and other people. Groff had
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two phones on her desk. It was hectic. Grof was
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told that mistakes were not tolerated. It was challenging, but
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Graff like that. Sometimes Graff went home in tears sometimes
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for messing up his day. Graff felt it was pretty
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incredible to see all the people Epstein dealt with in politics, television, etc.
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Graff felt wow. Prior to working for Epstein, she never
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knew people who On the plane Graff found out about
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Maxwell's father in life. Grof felt like Epstein and Maxwell's
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lives were the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Graff
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described getting into the office. She would have to go
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in through the palace and go straight through the hotel portion.
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The left side was where Epstein's office was located. Groff
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thought on the fourth floor was where the office was located.
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There were other businesses in the building. They had a
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view of the Fifth Avenue Cathedral. Once off of the elevator,
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there was a desk for the receptionist. Groff could not
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remember if this was there the day she left. After
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going straight, there would be a large office for two
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accountants and the trader. The accountant was Eric Ganey, who
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had an assistant accountant, Bella Cline. The trader was Harry Beller.
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The person who was Epstein's assistant would be at the
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receptionist desk. Someone was always there and it changed over time.
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There was redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, and redacted. The controller
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was a mad Hanna. When Ganey left, he was replaced
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by Richard Kahn. To the right of the office where
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the attorneys Darren Endyke and Jeff Schantz. Straight back was
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Groff's office. Towards the left was Epstein's office, and towards
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the right was a desk for Maxwell and a assistant redacted.
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Lauren Quitner was an assistant the attorneys. There was a
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desk for redacted, which changed or redacted redacted. When Redacted left.
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Epstein wanted an estate manager, which kept turning over. There
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were a lot of people in the office. They first
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started building Maxwell's house. After her house was built, she
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moved her and her assistant to her house. Maxwell was
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maybe at the office once a week and brought her
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dog Max. Full time employees, including the attorneys, Quitner, redacted,
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and the people in the front office. Groff worked nine
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to five Monday through Friday for the first couple of years.
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Groff then became pregnant and had a son and was
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off for about three to four months. Redacted took over
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while Groff was out on maternity leave. Approximately a year
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and a half later, Maxwell's assistant left and Redacted moved
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back to being her assistant. Groff started a job share
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where she worked Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, and redacted worked
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Monday and Friday. Epstein would leave New York Friday and
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return Monday night. Epstein wanted Groff the to do the
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call list. Epstein called in the morning to schedule business
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meetings architects, designers. When Grof would think he was done,
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he decided he'd want to do it all over again.
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Groff remembered seeing an invoice of a carpet for an
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airplane that was more than she made back then. Groff
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did not use email. Epstein called constantly. Epstein told her
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to call a certain individual, then he would want an
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immediate call back. Grof relaid messages, make and break appointments,
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and contact houses. Groff would have Jojo sit outside certain locations,
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but he did not like. People would come, eat, but
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he would not. Epstein would not like wasting time. The
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first time Epstein laid into Grof was when she moved
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an appointment and forgot to tell the other person. Epstein
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did not let it go. Groff ruined his whole day,
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saying he can't get that time back. Graff would tell
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the pilot when Epstein wanted to leave. For example, Graff
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would tell the pilot he would want to leave tomorrow
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at four to Palm Beach. Graff did not make airline
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reservations at the time. Redacted made those reservations. Then Epstein
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told Groff to tell Redacted to make the reservations. A
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lot of people traveled on Epstein's plane. Epstein might tell Groff.
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The lingo he used was do you need a ride?
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Graff would call and ask if he wanted friends, then
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Groff would call them. The pilot Larry needed to know,
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Groff would ask Epstein, then she would relay that information
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to Larry. Sometimes Epstein told Groff who was traveling with him,
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and other times he told Larry himself. Groff talked with
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Epstein when he was away. Epstein often traveled with Maxwell.
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The first year, Redacted traveled often with them as well.
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Then Redacted traveled with them. The assistants traveled with Epstein.
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Ted Meister was on a plane a lot. He liked
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to go to Palm Beach. Maxwell and Redacted, we're usually
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on the plane with Epstein, Maxwell traveled quite a bit.
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Groff thought Maxwell did her own thing. Groff was not
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Maxwell's assistant and did not see her as much. Maxwell
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was a big part of Epstein's life. Maxwell introduced Epstein
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to a lot of people in her circle. This was
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Groff's perception, because Groff knew her background. Groff's impression was
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that she knew that was how Epstein met Royalty through Maxwell.
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Maxwell did not talk to Groff. Groff never had a
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normal conversation with Maxwell or Epstein. Maxwell told Groff she
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was not to engage in frivolous conversation with Epstein. If
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Groff bought movie tickets for Epstein, she was not allowed
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to ask if he liked the movie. The next day.
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Groff did not have a lot to do with the
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Clinton trip. Maxwell dealt with the details. Groff's perception was
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that Maxwell knew Clinton first, but Groff did not know
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for sure. Groff recalled conversations with Maxwell in the beginning,
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probably around Groff's first week. Maxwell told her you're here
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to work. Maxwell told her that Epstein did not need
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extra conversation and that she was not allowed to fratnize
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on the phone. That the people she spoke to were
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Epstein's friends, not Groff's friends, and Graff found this similar
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to Wall Street and that she could not fratnize. Groff
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was asked to go to a party. This was probably
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within the first month of working for Epstein. Graf went
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to the party with her husband, who knew other Wall
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Street people. Epstein found out and torched her. The following monday,
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Epstein told Groff he was going to fire her, but
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put her on probation instead. Groff had to keep herself
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totally separate. It made sense to Groff, so she never
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did it again. From the beginning, massage was a part
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of Epstein's day. There were normal appointments. Groff thought Maxwell
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told her that Epstein had to have a massage every day.
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Redacted and redacted trained Groff too, but Groff thought Maxwell
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told her that it was presented like it was totally normal.
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Redacted and redacted had been there prior to Groff. No
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one seemed like it was out of the ordinary. Graff's
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job was to make appointments to Groff. Making massage appointments
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was just another appointment that she had to make for Epstein.
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Epstein would call Groff in the morning and say something
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like call redacted and see if she can do a
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massage at four. Epstein would then call Groff every fifteen minutes.
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If Groff told Epstein that she could not get redacted,
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he would tell Graff to call someone else. There was
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a directory of contacts, not just massage people. Anyone could
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go in and update the list. Everyone had access. It
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was just kept on the computer in an old, antiquated system.
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Groff thought it was just a file on the computer.
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They used PCs, not Apple computers. They had a message
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sheet and directory. There was an it guy who came
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every so often if they had computer problems. When Grof
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was told to call someone, she would pull the phone
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number from the directory. Epstein gave Groff a name and
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phone number, but if the person had been around for
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a while, the number would be in the computer. For
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massages in New York at Epstein's residence, Groff scheduled for
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New York. Graff thought she may have scheduled massage for
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Epstein's pom Beach residence, but it was not as much.
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When Epstein left New York and took an assistant with him,
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the assistant took over the daily things in pom Beach,
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New Mexico, and Paris. Groff had a call list every
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day of people she had to call for Epstein outside
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of New York. Graff did not know who scheduled the
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massage appointments. Graff did not recall specifically making appointments outside
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of New York, but stated that it was possible. Graff
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definitely made appointments in New York. Grot that Maxwell made
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an extra book. Groff described the book as super thick
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that was printed in a larger type to see it
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was a little black book. Maxwell had them printed and bound.
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Graff thought she wanted to have them on the plane
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or next to the phones. Groff recalled seeing one on
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her desk. The black books were around. There was one
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on Groff's desk when she first started working there. They
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were next to Epstein's phones on the desk. Groff did
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not know why she associated the books to Maxwell. They
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were there before Groff worked there. Groff thought that the
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books had been updated. Graff did not know where they
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were printed. Graff did not use the books. She used
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a computer. Groff thought the books were everywhere, but maybe
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not in the accounting office. The books were at his homes.
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They were on the desk and rooms. There were a
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lot of important people in the books and their phone numbers,
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including politicians, actors, Wall Street individuals, and royalty. Groff was
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not supposed to take the book home. Graff thought that
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the book fizzled out. It made sense that Epstein wanted
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them next to the phones. It was a tool for contacts.
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The book went away, but Graff did not know when
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this happened. They changed over to Mac computers. Epstein wanted
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to keep things simple. Epstein wanted a list of dentists, scientists, etc.
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Graft did not think that she was there when the
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directory was first made, but she was not sure. Maxwell
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was an office manager and had stationary made. Maxwell may
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have asked redacted to have them made. Groff thought maybe
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she was assuming that Maxwell made them Agent note. At
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this point in the interview, Groff was shown a document
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with a list of names and contact information. This document
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is attached in one a Graff advised, this looks like
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people he'd contact. Groff did not recognize this specific document,
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but it looked like something Groff could have typed up.
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Graff recognized the names on the document. It seemed typical
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of when Epstein with travel a word document. Possibly could
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have been Groff, who copied and pasted from the directory
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to word using a Mac computer. Groff could copy and paste,
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but she did not think she could copy and paste
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a word using the older computers. The list of people's
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names and numbers was constant. Agent note. Groff was shown
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a document titled messuses. This document is attached in one A.
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Graff advised that this document looked like something that would
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definitely be in the office that Epstein asked to be
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put together. There were other documents made for architects, et cetera.
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Graff advised this document did not look familiar. Groff did
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not recall making this document, but stated she was not
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saying that she did not create it. Graff advised the
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document looked old. Groff recognized the names. To Groff, this
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was just another list. Graff recalled having to make a
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list of all the ted speakers when she started. The
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list printed out would be more for Epstein to take
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with them. Groff used the directory more agent note. Groff
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was shown a document with the title Massuses from January.
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This document is attached in one A. Groff's first thought
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was that jan men January new user on the document
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was not significant to Groff. The document stated last saved
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by Leslie Groff. Graff advised, this look like a list
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that she could have put together. This was definitely something
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Epstein would have wanted. It looks like something Groff could
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have done, but she cannot recall this specific list. Groff
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made a lot of lists. If Epstein traveled out of town,
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he would want to see people. Sometimes he would tell
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Groff to add new people. He went to Harvard, he
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would want a list of professors he would want to
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talk with while he was there. When Groff would call
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the schedule massage appointments, she would say something like, high redacted,
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how are you. Mister Epstein's in New York and he's
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wanting to know if you can give him a massage
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at four. The phone calls were short and to the point.
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A lot of times when Groff called, the females were
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at casting calls and they would not know how long
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they would be there, so they would have to call
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Groff back. When Epstein would call back for his massage,
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he would tell Groff to forget that one and call redacted.
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Groff would call someone else and sometimes have to leave
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a message. Sometimes Groff heard street noises in the background.
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Groff called females and mel massuse. Groff distinctly remembered females
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being on casting calls because it was annoying because she
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wanted to get on with her day and could not
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because she had to schedule a massage appointment. Scheduling massage
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appointments was around one percent of Groff's job. Groff left
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a lot of messages. People would not answer their phones.
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Sometimes people call Groff asking to see Epstein for a massage.
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Everybody wanted to see him anytime Groff called someone, not
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just massage people. People just jumped to meet with Epstein.
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Graff thought that Epstein was a money manager. His biggest
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client was Wexner. Groff knew this from the beginning because
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of the non disclosure agreement she had to sign. Graff
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thought that Epstein had other clients. Graff thought Epstein was
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doing some trades. Epstein would tell Groff to get someone
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he did not have the number of a trader. Groff
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had anxiety trying to get a trader. Epstein did a
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lot with politics. Epstein was a generous person who gave
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to charity tables and wanted to be anonymous. Epstein seemed
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very busy. Epstein had an interest in decorating. Groff was
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ful by the contacts he had all over the world.
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Graff was impressed by that Groff had to learn how
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to dial overseas numbers. Maxwell was an office manager. This
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was how Groff was introduced to Maxwell. Maxwell was Epstein's
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best friend. Graff saw Epstein torch Maxwell at times. He
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was angry with her. Epstein got mad at his attorneys
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in the office. Sometimes Maxwell left with her head down.
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Graff did not like hering Epstein yell at chance, but
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he did not walk out defeated. Epstein and Maxwell were confidants.
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Graff knew Epstein built maxwell Or house. Graff thought redacted
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told her this it was just bought and under construction.
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Graff thought that Epstein and Maxwell were boyfriend and girlfriend.
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They were very care free. They did not spend every
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moment together. Groff thought that Epstein cared for Maxwell and
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she cared for him. Epstein and Maxwell did not live together.
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Graff did not know where Maxwell was living while her
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house was being built. When Graft first started Maxwell help
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with the rules, Maxwell told her that when Epstein calls
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Groff to give requirements. If Graft did not understand something,
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to stop them then and do not wait until the end,
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because it'll make Epstein mad. Epstein was famous for talking
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under his breath and mumbling. Graff did not have normal
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conversations with Maxwell. Graff did not talk to Maxwell about
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her wedding or when she was pregnant. Maxwell would come
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and go from the office and bring her dog into
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the office. Maxwell had her own driver. There was a
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guy who was the driver and a girl who was
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the maid. Looking back, Graff did not know how much
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managing Maxwell actually did. When Maxwell's house was being built,
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that was her priority. Maxwell was in the office next
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to Groff Agent Note. At this point the interview, Groff
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was shown a black book. This book is one A
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nine in case file seventy two mm dash eleven three
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three two seven. Graff advised that this book did not
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look like the one that she saw. The one Groff
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saw had larger writing. It was the same size, but
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the one she remembered had a thicker binding. Graff thought
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it was probably the same. Information inside This information would
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have been in the directory to Groff's recollection. It looked
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the same. Graff recalled the directory was alphabetical. Groff did
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not have conversations with Maxwell about massages. Groff worked nine
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to five. Epstein did not contact Groff on the weekends.
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Groff remembered Maxwell called Bella, who was from Russia, about
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the KGB. Maxwell had to check every invoice. Maxwell smiled
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and was happy, except when Epstein got upset with her.
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Maxwell talked to everybody. It seemed business related. For a
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Dacta traveled with Maxwell on Epstein's plane. Epstein and Maxwell
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were volatile. One moment Epstein would be screaming and the
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next he would be down to business. Maxwell tended to
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carry it and leave. Groff thought the whole office seemed happy,
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like the employees were happy and it was a nice
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place to work. Sometimes Groff was asked to messenger money
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for massages, and sometimes Jojo took money for the massages
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to give to people. Epstein sent everything by messenger. Epstein
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sent things fed x. Groff got the money from accounting
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and would pay someone around one hundred. Groff would type
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a message to Bella. Groff thought Bella had the petty
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cash box. Bella put money in an envelope, then it
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would be put in a messenger box. Jojo or a
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messenger would pick it up. This did not happen all
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the time, but rather some of the time. No one
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ever came to the office to pick up money except
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Jojoe or the manager. Groff never went to Epstein's house
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until twenty thirteen, Groff went to Epstein's island. Groff was
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at a wedding on Tortola. Epstein told Groff she should
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go to the island. Epstein was not on the island
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when she went. Miles Alexander and Kathy Alexander fed Groff
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and her husband lunch. Then they went back on a
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trip with her husband to London. Epstein said they could
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stay at his guest room in Paris. They stayed there
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a couple of nights and went back to London. Groff
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did not go to the New Mexico ranch. Groff did
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not travel with Epstein. All right, folks, Well, there's Leslie
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Groff's three point two proffer with the FBI agents in
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her own words, and I wonder how that's going to
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compare with what she says to Congress later on. And
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as soon as those transcripts are available, we'll get those
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added to the catalog. All the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box.