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  Welcome back to the ranch Radio podcast, glad you could be here
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  Byron boletos part two of our interview, delving into the
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  significant difference in the way eastern and western
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  Christianity, has evolved as the outlines in his new book.
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  Plus Byron is quite candid about why the Rancho book plays.
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  Such an important role in ensuring that evil does not
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  Prevail. The book is the truth about evil
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  sin and the Demonic and intrical theodicy on the ranch Radio
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  podcast. Welcome to your auntie radio
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  again. Our guest part two of our
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  two-part series with Byron boletos, who has written a book
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  called The truths about evil sin and the Demonic.
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  We've been talking a lot about how theologians of the past have
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  contemplated, the theory of Free Will versus predetermination and
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  we've delved into the reasons of debt theodicy and why that
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  conversation is so compelling now.
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  Last time we spoke to Byron on part one of our two part
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  interview. We covered the overall points of
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  his latest book about truths and, and the Demonic.
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  Now let's continue with our time with Byron boletos on the ranch,
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  Radio podcast, the more I read, the more, I see your, what your
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  points are being made. I think you've connected dots
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  unintentionally. I don't think you meant to
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  connect them, but you've connected them.
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  The Urantia book, anybody who is interested in theodicy of these
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  great thinkers, for the past 2000 years, would be Be very
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  appreciative of the theodicy of the Urantia book.
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  And so tell us what the theodicy of the Urantia book is you will
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  see all the see the UB is is a is a synthesis and I will call
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  it a creative synthesis of the best ideas of the past that I
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  feel of, I've identified many of them and it adds the
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  cosmological Revelation that none of them could envision.
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  Although Whitehead, for example, envisions a very big part of it.
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  But the the theodicy, the ranch book not only in dialogue with
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  theologians, but also dialogue, really with cosmology of the
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  past. And but then upgrading it and
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  updating it greatly with the notion of the central universe
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  and the distinction between evolution.
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  And it turn to thee and that distinction was played with by
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  Christians, but nothing like this.
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  And so if the Odyssey depends, a lot on knowing that the
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  time-space evolutional realm is its kind of own autonomous
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  domain of value. Value expression that is subsist
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  within the, the master universe and and the relationship of the
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  two. To is the theodicy that the
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  Odyssey is that paradise Perfection is in, is in a
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  relationship with with our imperfection our evil, our
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  course in its it. Coexists, you might say with the
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  darkness of space and time Evolution and is the great goal
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  of all of us who are coming up from from the bottom.
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  And and so see Odyssey is It says that the grace is pouring
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  out from the, you know, from from the from the deities in
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  Paradise deities is is more than sufficient to compensate for the
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  imperfection evolutionary profession.
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  And we need only accept it and then work with it but to help us
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  again. This is the Odyssey.
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  They recognize we started as Animals with animal instincts,
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  for survival and which, you know, for our survival depends
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  on being, you know, actually violent and certain ways and
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  that, that they obviously see that.
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  And so they're doing a lot more than than say what Whitehead
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  would say. They're they're spending
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  incarnations, they're sending spiritual influences, such as
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  the spirit of Truth. In the Holy Spirit, they're
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  sending Revelations a book form. These are all parts of that's
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  the Odyssey, which is That we're doing everything through these
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  domains. The domains of the Trinity
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  Trinity has various domain. The Angelic, angels are
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  emanating from the third source and Center.
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  That's part of C, 0, c, 2, because angels are helping us,
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  you know, taking us by the hand and pulling us out of out of
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  Darkness, but it's not just them.
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  We got the indwelling spirit from the fathers, and it's not
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  just that, we've got the sun sending incarnations.
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  So, if the Odyssey is Very Dynamic, but open.
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  It's not determined the other big part of this is that it's
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  open rather than determinative because my, my view and this is
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  a bit of a unique interpretation for me is that it's the Odyssey
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  is like that of this new school called the open theists which
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  says the yep, God is all-powerful.
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  God is truly able to control these things but God only
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  controls. In one big cents which is God,
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  make sure that salvation is achieved.
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  In those in certain places. Because the infrastructure is
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  there for it, it's always going to be there.
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  There's always going to be the say, the morontia worlds.
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  So, even, if your Rancho gets snuffed out, so the so to speak,
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  the modular homes, are still there, good point.
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  So there can be these isolated Rebellion planets that do make
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  it and really it is the case that it is not guaranteed.
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  It is not guaranteed, it is not predetermined as Luther and
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  Calvin and Augustine. All said that medieval Catholics
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  said, no, all of this, especially Calvin, all of this.
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  It's all going to work out all of it.
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  There's not going to be anything lost, but the Rancher book does
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  not say that. There's going to be lost is that
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  are that are cannot be that there's a lot of losses of souls
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  that are unredeemed. Because they chose not to not to
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  not to survive. So that that's why the the these
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  great thinkers fell into predestination as their only way
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  out. And they're only way to do to do
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  theodicy. They said well you know, God is
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  all loving and all-powerful period And so therefore no one
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  is ever lost except those who End up in hell.
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  So they're not lost, they're getting Just Desserts, they're
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  getting justice. So so that so they don't have
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  any notion of souls that are entirely lost.
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  Let's talk about the evil to send the Demonic.
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  There's the internal, the original sin, which we haven't
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  really touched on. But this idea that we are all
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  born with sin in our DNA, and that's been addressed by open
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  theist, most open theist have moved away from that.
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  Concept or is it strictly a western evangelic whole thing or
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  do a majority of Christians? Catholics still?
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  Hold that we are originally in sin.
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  Yeah, of course, you know, Cruces sort of Catholics would
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  least still hold to original sin and it should be noted because
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  we haven't touched on it. That the Eastern Eastern
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  Orthodox, have an alternate alternate narrative about this.
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  It's very important that because, as an important
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  footnote is that Original sin means the year, you're so
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  depraved that you cannot work your way to Salvation by your
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  own, will by your own effort. You you are stripped of your
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  powers to do that. Sort of in a Cooperative
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  relationship, God has to do everything for you and you are
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  really kind of passive except through faith where you Kept
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  God's grace and forgiveness. The the Eastern View is not is
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  that is not these terms. You and this is extremely
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  important for Urantia book readers.
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  Which is we don't hold to that the we hold to the more, the
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  Eastern Christians you, which is that the human will is not
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  depraved and we can work cooperatively with deity for our
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  salvation and progression, and that is a minority view in
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  Christianity. Because of the preponderance of
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  the western church, right? But the Eastern Church is, is
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  not given its due credit, because they figured this out
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  and that is why your entry book is of should be a great interest
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  to Eastern Orthodox. Christians.
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  So as a, thank you for letting me go into that footnote that
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  return. It's important.
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  Let's talk a little bit about the idea, which is I'm Glad you
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  brought it up in your book about the distinction that was made,
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  that that Lucifer can protest against God and God allows him
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  to do that. And you put a kind of a take on
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  it which was unique it. Go into that a little bit about
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  how God allows for sort of domains that his created sons
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  have jurisdiction over. Yeah, certainly and that's
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  that's a part of the beauty of the cosmology.
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  The Book which reminds me or release me of something like the
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  federal government of the United States, right?
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  So you delegate authority to one of the states of the union.
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  And in that state, the governor has a lot of autonomy.
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  And, and you cannot, you cannot easily remove a governor.
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  You can't really remove a governor of a state from
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  Washington. There would be ways.
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  To do their checks and balances for everything so you can sort
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  of do it. So, that's the same thing with
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  Lucifer. Lucifer is like a governor of a
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  state, you know, Louis local system.
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  And, and there's these agreements or sacred agreements.
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  With, with nebadon, with the nemeton government government.
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  The so this prior agreement, and since a with caligastia, there's
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  a, there's a prior agreement that cannot be a Gated, unless
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  you go to like the Supreme Court, right, saying, say, when
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  the United States, you have to go Supreme Court to settle a lot
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  of these things. So you have to go to the
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  Ancients of days to settle the the that dispute you can't
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  Michael and mother cannot settle that dispute.
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  They don't have the authority to do it and so therefore you can
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  have Michael come on to the planet but he can't settle it
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  fully. And, and so, so the that that's
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  that's part. Out of your theodicy.
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  You know that's the evil is dealt with through legal means
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  as well as other means. The legal means that the
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  infrastructure. So you can't violate the
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  infrastructure because those are sacred agreements with DDE and
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  DDD never violates its promises and isn't it interesting to look
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  at it that way people ask well why is the devil free to roam?
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  Well there's a jurisdictional problem here.
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  He's not going to abrogate is own system.
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  Me chose to divest of himself and his trusted creatures and
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  sometimes they are just like sometimes we have Governors that
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  decide to do what they want to do, you know, and other times
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  they don't. Okay, so we've covered a lot.
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  What was your favorite chapter? What part of the book was your
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  favorite and what was your least favorite?
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  What was the most difficult? So I would say my favorite was
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  Chapter 3, which is about the Eastern Orthodox view of evil
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  and I grew up in that church so it's more more my style, you
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  might say. And I liked it because I
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  discovered what I really kind of already knew which was that
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  they're closer to the ranch a book truth than deny that even I
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  fought because of this partnership view of the
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  relationship of creature creator.
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  That is that it's really quite inspiring.
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  And that's why when you read chapter 3, you you're probably
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  filled my, my sense of love for that, for that tradition, that
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  they arrived at this. And this more open View and, and
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  my flight disdain for the East, the Western View, which stripped
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  that off another words. They don't give you a way out
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  Through your own decisions. And it's sort of like we're
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  like, it's like a feudal view that that we're like slaves and
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  God has to do everything for us. So the hardest, the hardest
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  chapter was was, was the chapter about st.
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  Augustine. Why was that?
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  What you see with him? Is this?
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  Absolutely world-class genius. It's just so impressive.
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  What Does. But so misguided in his
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  assigning of original sin Without Really any precedent,
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  it's there in st. Paul.
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  But in a kind of poetic way and Augustine is sort of, you know,
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  kind of dark figure in a way that he Embraces it.
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  And, and it, and he is so brilliant that it's still
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  persuasive to this day in Conservative Catholics who are
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  Are all over the place, still have this View and so I wanted
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  to be able to present that in a way that was fair to
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  conservatives. Why did Europe adopted the more
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  Roman view, the more Pauline view of Christianity as opposed
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  to say with the Greeks and correct.
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  As you put it this relational view that he had, which is true
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  to the, to the Orthodox teachings, actual teaching was
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  one that is inhuman and Coloring.
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  It's really a kind of humanism but as Christian humanism,
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  whereas the West was under the Aegis of the Roman coercive
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  worldview. And so the problem with sin
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  Augustine is a he too, was it did not rise above it.
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  Really and that he codified of you where we are powerless as
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  not a humanistic new in The sense that they Abner would have
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  had that. We are junior Partners in the
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  senior partner is the father. Yeah.
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  The indwelling spirit says, so if he doesn't have there's
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  nowhere in there, that There's no, there's a hint of it, but
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  the notion of what these calls divinization were deification.
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  Were where the self is attaining, higher and higher
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  levels of God, Consciousness is not in the East, the Western
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  View breaks out here and there in the mystics Avalon.
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  By the way, nice job at integrating, the Rancho book in
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  the way that you explain it. Because I am sure that a lot of
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  people reading your book may not have any knowledge.
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  Motion whatsoever, the Urantia book and so the way that I think
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  that you presented it made it sound less outlandish and more
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  sophisticated. I think it was hard to, you
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  know, first of all, I had to talk a professor into allowing
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  me to cover it in my thesis and that's that allowed me to write
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  this in the first place. Under the guide and under the
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  guidance of a real good feel logical faculty.
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  No, talking this guy into it. It was pretty tough, but I'd
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  written papers for him me and he knew I was kind of a grown-up.
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  I was double the age of the other students there and so I
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  gave him on your Ranch a book and to his credit, he read a lot
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  of it. And if he hadn't done that, it
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  would have been impossible and it would have just proven my, my
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  hypothesis, which is somebody in Christianity.
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  Can't get this would only be a pretty sophisticated Theologian
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  who could get in the ballpark and so he did and my second
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  reader was pretty radical, feminist Theologian and and to
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  this day, she is in dialogue with me.
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  She picked up a Fascination for the UB because of my seat, my
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  Master's thesis. Let's talk about the presence of
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  evil in today's world. You how do we respond as
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  individuals who subscribe to the Urantia book theodicy, or
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  philosophy or perception. How do we address this ramp and
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  evil? That seems to be taking the
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  World by storm and you brought up a very good point about the
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  ranch about being a response to the current evils in the world
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  today. And you also pointed out that
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  the book was actually finished right at the time that the atom.
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  Bomb was dropped and I had never made that connection.
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  Yeah, guys, I thank you. That's, that's, that's an
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  observation that following Matthew blocks, discovery that
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  there were, you know, small changes made in 1945 which is
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  disputed, but but I think he's right that, that is that it was
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  time, you know, sort of the deepest Revelation time for the
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  when we made our most Grievous, iniquitous behavior on Earth.
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  And And so it seems that we're headed in a similar Direction
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  now with the climate with you know war in Ukraine with war may
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  be against China and all these other things that was the right
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  in our face every day that we haven't exactly learned the
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  lesson and I think one of the problems with pretty Ranch a
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  people in this connection is that we tend to think of the
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  book and isolation and I think it's a huge error.
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  I dunno to be book, disseminators the kind of To a
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  vacuum right versus this is part of a lineage where deities
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  trying to reach us and you and I have talked about this before
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  that. The last time is trying to reach
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  us through mainly through the Christian lineage and Arlene.
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  Audience is to is them and they have to take the leadership we
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  can catalyze them they have to get and, and particular, the
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  liberal Christians don't really have a notion of sin that is
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  strong enough to be honest, you know, the resist, the
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  conservative part of the ranch argument, which is that the the
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  sinful Tendencies are very strong because of the presence
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  of caligastia, all these, you know, all these Millennia and
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  the Lucifer, Eric orientation of our Elites, And the UB is needed
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  to revive this notion of the supernatural realm, being being
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  way off, you know that we have. So we are under a very difficult
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  Legacy and we should take a cue from conservative Christians,
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  even though most of us are liberal in our Christianity,
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  that we tend to be almost moving toward new age, you know, new
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  age being the snow. Ocean that they're, you know,
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  that you've over-exaggerated the thing about Sin.
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  It's over exaggerated, we're perfectible, right?
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  Yeah, that is, that could be really damaging to the ranch of
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  movement. And I think I've felt and seen
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  the damage to the ranch of movement that it's going in that
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  direction of a liberal New Age view.
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  We're in a way profits to, to the, to the Christians.
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  You know, the theologians that I met these are more academic
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  theologians, they are embattled people, they My Cemetery was
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  very, distinguished Cemetery. They're running out of money.
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  They they, they sold off part of their quadrangle to a private
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  developer and built. A 40-story building the middle
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  of the campus to stay in business.
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  That's a given example. These people know that, that
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  they're not giving they're not being listened to by our
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  culture, their, their influence is waning and why Is that, you
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  know? So you know, I said to my
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  professors your Ranch your book is offering credit, not
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  criticism, but correction on certain doctrines like the
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  omnipotence of deity that that you guys need to hear you at all
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  on the atonement doctrine, of course, and the Virgin birth
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  these things, we all see through that, but here's here's deity.
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  God, is, is helping you get, you know, God loves you.
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  Mr. And mrs. Theologian is giving you the
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  correction in this sophisticated text that is unsurpassed and so
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  we if we can convey that to Christian leaders, it's not
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  easy, but it's doable, then they can take up the they have the
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  institutions to do this, we don't have them, we don't have
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  seminaries. We don't have endowments of
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  millions of dollars. We don't have libraries with a A
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  thousand books, they have them. They are the ones that should be
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  carrying this torch. And so I think I made some
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  inroads with a few professors and we'll see how this book gets
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  reviewed because we're sending it out.
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  To all of the, all of the journals, all the theological
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  journals, do you think the caligastia is what's what do you
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  think he wants the outcome to be?
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  What's caligastia is horse in this race?
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  Well, we all know that you know the Rancher movement is is a
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  critical Intervention and it is nearing, you know, certain
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  people think this is kind of in default because it's really
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  unknown to the leadership of the planet and particularly to the
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  church. So that would be his agenda,
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  which is keep this out of the hands of smart, Christians and
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  watch who watches the church goes into greater and greater
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  Decline and, which it has done. But the, the sort of the
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  Salvation for the church is the ranch Revelation, so the ranch
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  Revelation, keep it, keep it isolated, keep it, put it in the
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  hands of well-meaning, people interested in their own
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  spiritual growth rather than into the institutional, putting
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  into the hands of this, great civilization called Western
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  Christian civilization. That's where it's supposed to
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  be. It's not supposed to be a little
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  sect with you know, tiny little study groups.
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  With people over 60 and remember that.
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  I really think that's the sad reality that we're part of a
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  lineage back to Christ and we're together.
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  And and so we have to bring up our brothers and sisters from
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  the judeo-christian tradition. Otherwise this will default what
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  a critical part of this It's not addressed in my book so much but
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  yeah, I mean, you know, want to this, give you all the tools you
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  need. And so, why does a guy like me
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  go to a seminary and find no one at this famous Seminary, sort of
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  the Rancher book and that we can give a platform for science for
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  philosophy that that they that they can accept with the
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  teachings of Jesus. As I know you do a lot for
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  public speaking and if there are people who might want to bring
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  you into their groups, what's a good way?
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  People to get a hold of you. Yeah.
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  Thanks for asking for Byron. It's the same old email address
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  Byron at or Ridge and press.com. And again, we appreciate Byron
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  Bledsoe stopping by, and talking to us about his latest book
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  which you can buy on amazon.com called the truths about evil sin
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  and the Demonic by Byron boletos.
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  We so appreciate him stopping by.
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  If you have comments or questions, feel free to email me
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  at your Ranch evoke radio at gmail.com, and we will Air this
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  periodically also on Are you Ranch radio channel?
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  Which you can find at your Ranch radio dotnet.
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  Until next time, God bless and thanks for stopping by.